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Speaker 1: So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed.

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Speaker 1: I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassem Milo Kitch And.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show today, Chris Evans has been

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Speaker 2: trying to hide a big movie role from us, but

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Speaker 2: we are onto him. That man cannot lie. Plus a

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Speaker 2: photo of Kate Middleton or Princess Catherine as she is

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Speaker 2: known now cause absolute uproar over the weekend, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to get into that. But first, the VMA's the

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Speaker 2: Video Music Awards are happening as we speak. The Red

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Speaker 2: Carpet is in full swing as a record and because

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Speaker 2: of that, we've got Mamma MIA's pop culture and social

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Speaker 2: editor Tina Burke here. Because you're always lurking around all

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Speaker 2: the corners of the Internet seeing what's going on at

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Speaker 2: events like this, So you're our eyes on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Without being on the ground, you're our eyes on the Internet.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love to be on the dot com checking

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Speaker 3: out getty images, dot com, dot au.

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Speaker 4: Love it.

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Speaker 1: You just have that you have that saved. It is

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Speaker 3: First thing I see in the morning, and then I

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Speaker 3: open up all my apps and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: What next, Well, don't give weigh all your secrets. Especially,

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Speaker 2: I was hoping it'd be something more than looking Getty images.

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Speaker 3: But fifteen browsers open every major US publication. I'm checking

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Speaker 3: them NonStop. But yes, the VMA is today very exciting.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the VMS is one of the red

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Speaker 1: carpets where it's like you get the craziest looks, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm talking like way back where Little Kim was wearing

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Speaker 1: pasties and that just like broke before the Internet. It's

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Speaker 1: always been a red carpet where people kind of a

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, like the Lady Gargo iconic meatress. It's had

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Speaker 3: some of the big moments, and even the stars who

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Speaker 2: Yes, which I love because, as we've said, everyone's getting

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Speaker 2: carpets because they're so worried about putting a foot roll.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's using the same stylist, everyone's doing old Hollywood drag.

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Speaker 2: They all look the same. So at least the VMEs

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Speaker 2: we see some differ things. So who are the big

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Speaker 2: stars who were there and who didn't turn up? Who

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Speaker 3: Oh? I mean, hey, such a strong word. I'm like, God, Laura.

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Speaker 3: The VMAs can either be like the most star studded

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Speaker 3: Taylor whoever. And then sometimes the VMAs is like, you know,

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Speaker 3: four people and the rest they're for the youths, and

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Speaker 3: that's okay, ok but hey where for the youth to

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Speaker 3: We love the youths. Look, I'm on TikTok. I know

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Speaker 3: who's cool. But some of the big ones today are

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Speaker 3: Sabrina Carpenter, Doja cat Ariana Grande looking very chic.

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Speaker 4: And then Lady Gaga wasn't there? She was there? Oh

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Speaker 4: she's there now she's on a plane. So those were

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Speaker 1: Of the day.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we'll get into that.

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Speaker 2: But people thought Taylor Swift was going up until the

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Speaker 2: last minute, right, and then a statement came out that

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Speaker 2: fans were getting just too impatient.

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Speaker 4: And I do respect her decision to not go.

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Speaker 3: It makes me very sad, but I know that I'm

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Speaker 2: Would she go if she wasn't nominated because.

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Speaker 1: She played for Artist of the Year, which I thought

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think obviously she picked up massively last year,

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Speaker 3: But the thing they've done the last few times she's

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Speaker 3: Then there's lip readers. They watch her every mover she

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Speaker 3: have a boogear that. It is my favorite part of

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Speaker 3: there was a tailor cam on me twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 2: She's not nominated for all the big awards. She's out

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's there's all eyes on Taylor when she

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Speaker 3: I just think she's like, whatever, I'll have my fun

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Speaker 1: So fair well we can talk about then my favorite

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Speaker 1: Sabrana Carpenter.

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Speaker 4: She looks so good.

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Speaker 4: It's very Jessica Rabbit with the red and the purple.

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Speaker 1: It's very like that sort of leaning into that sort

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and hopefully her performance will be like the biggest one.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's the big star of the night right

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Speaker 2: with her album release and her show. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 2: really interested to see what she would wear because the

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Speaker 2: just like it's just the more skin you show, the

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Speaker 2: more kind of tired it feels. But then everyone's doing

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Speaker 4: And that's always been her look.

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Speaker 2: She always does, like the huge hair, the huge makeup,

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Speaker 2: the time. And it was like, how do you make

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Speaker 4: So yeah, had a sheer element.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the red lace was that because she

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, so it's a bit more bombshell for me,

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Speaker 3: Ariana Grande, I love you dearly, Ari.

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Speaker 4: But she's still in her wicked era.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, because the new movie is coming and.

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Speaker 3: He's coming out, so like she's still doing those like

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Speaker 3: there's a penbler element. But she was styled by Law Roach,

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Speaker 3: so she's gone back to Law famously, the man who

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Speaker 3: styles Indre. So she's looking very wicked era Ariana Grande.

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Speaker 3: But she's having the time of her.

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Speaker 4: Life so far. She wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was having a great time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She was living next to Lady Gaga when Gaga won her,

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Speaker 1: And they really looked like complete opposites because Gaga was

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Speaker 2: The man who said he was retiring from being a style,

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Speaker 2: I think was that he was stepping away from that

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Speaker 2: because now he's doing like the TV hosting and everything else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think he was like, I'm stepping away

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Speaker 2: Want to work Yeah, which I do love that man

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Speaker 2: he just says whatever he wants. But yeah, Arian Grande

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Speaker 3: And then you know one of my favorites, Doja Cat

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Speaker 3: Like She's in this Balmain gown. She has a big

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Speaker 3: I'm like, great, We've gone better in this lipstick world.

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Speaker 2: It was very like eighties.

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Speaker 1: Is this outfit like bauma, like a you know suit

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Speaker 1: I'll swallow it.

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Speaker 2: I think it was an edible lipstick from what I saw,

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Speaker 2: it was like a candy in the lipstick and that

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Speaker 2: when you like rub it in that you consume it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, she's just getting getting a head.

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Speaker 3: So you would consume so just basically throws your cat.

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Speaker 1: I have a constant lip liquor. I'm always like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this sounds gress, but yeah, I feel like I would

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's just getting a head start on that. She's

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Speaker 4: taking it. That's actually quite demurr of her.

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Speaker 2: Like usually thought, I thought the carpet was less stunty

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Speaker 3: It was, Yeah, for sure, except for my favorite, which

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Speaker 3: is Hacks and Too Much star me. So I was

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Speaker 3: about to say yes, yes, who showed up in I

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Speaker 3: don't even understand the ensemble, but she had a dazzled

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Speaker 3: dunk and donut and she was wearing like a white

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Speaker 3: paper crown and then a white dress with like a

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Speaker 4: It was fun.

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Speaker 2: But the character that so Meg Stetler, if anyone doesn't know,

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Speaker 2: So when she was on the Too Much Press tour,

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Speaker 2: but her character was an actress on a press tour.

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Speaker 2: So she'd come out with these like long blonde wigs

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Speaker 2: and these like little outfits, and she'd like flirt with

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Speaker 2: I was wearing such a tiny outfit. My bad. Like

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Speaker 2: she did all these little things, like little send ups

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Speaker 2: of what actresses do. And I think the Duncan thing

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Speaker 3: Well we did, but also at if for this screening

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Speaker 3: where he looked so fantastic, he did get asked about

431
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Speaker 3: was it too close to home to play a failing

432
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Speaker 3: actor on screen?

433
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Speaker 4: And I believe that man.

434
00:18:10,504 --> 00:18:13,304
Speaker 2: He's he's trying and he's got.

435
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Speaker 3: His performance has been lauded as like very comedic, very fun. Yeah,

436
00:18:17,544 --> 00:18:19,864
Speaker 3: people are really enjoying him only in this movie, and

437
00:18:19,984 --> 00:18:21,944
Speaker 3: like I say, bring him back to stardom.

438
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Speaker 4: I love that man. Let him shine.

439
00:18:23,424 --> 00:18:25,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, let that poor hand, some white man give him

440
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Speaker 2: a break, a break.

441
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Speaker 3: If you are listening, Reso Brothers, goddamn it more, Captain America.

442
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Speaker 2: So late last week, a photo was posted of Princess

443
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Speaker 2: Catherine Kate Middleton whichever name you'd like to call her by.

444
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Speaker 2: And this shouldn't be a crazy thing because she's one

445
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Speaker 2: of the most photographed women in the world. So she

446
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Speaker 2: and Prince William had been on a bit of a

447
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Speaker 2: summer break with their children, so they hadn't been attending

448
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Speaker 2: any events. This is the first time we got a

449
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Speaker 2: proper look at her, and it was at the National

450
00:18:52,144 --> 00:18:56,904
Speaker 2: History Museum's revamped Garden event Get Excited, a very classy

451
00:18:56,944 --> 00:18:59,904
Speaker 2: event where they were walking around inspecting the new grounds

452
00:18:59,944 --> 00:19:02,064
Speaker 2: and as normal, there was heaps of people lined up

453
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Speaker 2: ready to greet them. And there was one thing about

454
00:19:04,704 --> 00:19:07,424
Speaker 2: Kate that got people's attention. It was the fact that

455
00:19:07,744 --> 00:19:10,104
Speaker 2: her hair, which is her hair is very famous, was

456
00:19:10,144 --> 00:19:14,664
Speaker 2: looking extra long, extra luscious, and extra blondish, which is

457
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Speaker 2: a look we've never seen from her before.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of sparked a lot of comments,

459
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Speaker 1: which we're gonna kind of dive into a little bit now.

460
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Speaker 1: The main comments were quite negative. It was a lot

461
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Speaker 1: of oh my god, she's wearing a wig. Oh my god,

462
00:19:29,424 --> 00:19:32,184
Speaker 1: it's too blonde, it doesn't suit her. What's going on

463
00:19:32,904 --> 00:19:38,304
Speaker 1: To the point where Princess Di's hair stylist, Sam mcnight

464
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Speaker 1: actually posted on Instagram to defend her.

465
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Speaker 2: Yes, So the photos went up and again, photos of

466
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Speaker 2: Kate and William together always attract a huge amount of attention,

467
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Speaker 2: especially if their kids are there. But the comments under this,

468
00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:54,264
Speaker 2: I mean we posted, all the different outlets posted, and

469
00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:57,424
Speaker 2: it went all over TikTok, every social platform, and the

470
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Speaker 2: comments section just absolutely blew up. So you had people

471
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Speaker 2: saying yes, as you were saying, like, she's definitely wearing

472
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Speaker 2: a wig, she looks terrible, it's way too blonde.

473
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Speaker 4: Depending which way you looked.

474
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Speaker 2: At the front, it kind of looked very full and curl,

475
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Speaker 2: which is not unusual for her. From the back, it

476
00:20:12,864 --> 00:20:15,504
Speaker 2: looked very windslept because she was outside, so it looked

477
00:20:15,544 --> 00:20:17,704
Speaker 2: like it was parted in a strange way, and it

478
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Speaker 2: was the blonde. So you had people saying, she's wearing

479
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Speaker 2: a wig, she looks terrible, the color is terrible. Then

480
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Speaker 2: you had people jumping in defending her, saying it's definitely

481
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Speaker 2: not a wig, and then the conversation escalated to if

482
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Speaker 2: it is a wig, how dare you pointed out because

483
00:20:30,944 --> 00:20:33,184
Speaker 2: obviously she's had a lot of health issues over the

484
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Speaker 2: last couple of years, and I think people were really

485
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Speaker 2: thinking back to that moment in time where that whole

486
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Speaker 2: story of her being missing took over the world and

487
00:20:41,504 --> 00:20:43,824
Speaker 2: people thought that there was a decoy being used. They

488
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Speaker 2: thought she was in hiding, they thought she'd escaped from

489
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Speaker 2: Prince William. And then she did that video saying that

490
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Speaker 2: she'd had a cancer diagnosis and that's why she was

491
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Speaker 2: laying low, and then people are saying like, it's really

492
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Speaker 2: poor taous, which it is to not only question a

493
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Speaker 2: woman's hair, but question it when you know that she's

494
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Speaker 2: been going through health struggles.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the majority of last year she was

496
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Speaker 1: going through chemotherapy radiotherapy, which was confirmed by the Palace.

497
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Speaker 1: She never confirmed what kind of cancer she has remission.

498
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Speaker 1: They didn't announce that earlier this year. But as you know,

499
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Speaker 1: with chemotherapy, often hair loss is one of the side

500
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Speaker 1: effects of chemotherapy. There was one report that I saw

501
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Speaker 1: where she was visiting the hospital and she was talking

502
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Speaker 1: to a woman who was receiving chemotherapy who was wearing

503
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Speaker 1: a cold cap. Now, cold capping is when they can

504
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Speaker 1: help to prevent the hair loss, and the woman actually asked, Kate,

505
00:21:33,064 --> 00:21:36,664
Speaker 1: did you cold cap? And Kate said no, So there

506
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Speaker 1: is a very real possibility that this woman has lost

507
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Speaker 1: her hair, which, as we know, has been something that's

508
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Speaker 1: always been in the press about her, that she's had

509
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Speaker 1: a really long, beautiful hair. And for many women that

510
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Speaker 1: is a really big part of their identity is their hair.

511
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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of the backlash comes from

512
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Speaker 1: you're criticizing a woman who has just experienced a really

513
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Speaker 1: difficult year health wise, and we know she's gone through cancer,

514
00:22:02,024 --> 00:22:04,784
Speaker 1: we know she's gone through chemotherapy, and now you're drawing

515
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:08,104
Speaker 1: attention to her hair, which may or may not be

516
00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:11,064
Speaker 1: a wig. It felt really ikey to me.

517
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Speaker 2: And then the other interesting part of that is that

518
00:22:13,784 --> 00:22:15,744
Speaker 2: early this week more photos came out of her at

519
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Speaker 2: a different event, and she was back to her more

520
00:22:17,664 --> 00:22:19,984
Speaker 2: natural like kind of the hair color that she had

521
00:22:20,024 --> 00:22:22,104
Speaker 2: when she first was in the public eye more than

522
00:22:22,144 --> 00:22:25,304
Speaker 2: a decade ago. Was that kind of lighter, richer brown.

523
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Speaker 2: So then people were speculating, has she changed the wig

524
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Speaker 2: to have a more natural one, or was she in

525
00:22:30,624 --> 00:22:32,784
Speaker 2: like a transitional phase when she was getting a hair

526
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Speaker 2: color changed and you how like you can lighten your

527
00:22:34,624 --> 00:22:36,184
Speaker 2: hair to darken it and that sort of thing, So

528
00:22:36,544 --> 00:22:39,464
Speaker 2: speculation is still rife. A couple of points on that

529
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Speaker 2: is that I don't think it's out of the realm

530
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Speaker 2: of possibility that Kate Middleton has worn wigs and hair.

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Speaker 4: Pieces over the years.

532
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Speaker 2: That's super common, not just for everyday women like I'm

533
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Speaker 2: sure you have over the years as well, But I'm

534
00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:53,864
Speaker 2: worn so much fake hair, especially if you're on camera

535
00:22:53,944 --> 00:22:57,304
Speaker 2: or being photographed a lot. Natural hair doesn't photograph as well.

536
00:22:57,344 --> 00:23:01,784
Speaker 2: That's why every single person on TV, in movies, photos, magazines,

537
00:23:01,824 --> 00:23:04,104
Speaker 2: anyone who's in the public eye most of the time,

538
00:23:04,144 --> 00:23:06,824
Speaker 2: they're either wearing a wig, they're wearing a topper, or

539
00:23:06,864 --> 00:23:09,144
Speaker 2: they've got a whole bunch of hair pieces in there.

540
00:23:09,424 --> 00:23:11,104
Speaker 2: And so I'm sure of the year she has done

541
00:23:11,144 --> 00:23:13,824
Speaker 2: that to bulk out her hair, but also to protect

542
00:23:13,864 --> 00:23:16,224
Speaker 2: her hair from that crazy amount of heat styling that

543
00:23:16,304 --> 00:23:18,584
Speaker 2: would take place if you're in the public eye every day.

544
00:23:18,824 --> 00:23:21,864
Speaker 2: So maybe she's wearing hair pieces like she always has,

545
00:23:22,224 --> 00:23:24,784
Speaker 2: but this time they were just a slightly different color,

546
00:23:24,824 --> 00:23:26,944
Speaker 2: and because people are more attuned to like her body

547
00:23:26,984 --> 00:23:30,104
Speaker 2: at the moment, it blew up. But I always just

548
00:23:30,144 --> 00:23:32,864
Speaker 2: think with hair, it's like it just as a sensitive topic,

549
00:23:32,904 --> 00:23:35,544
Speaker 2: as you were saying, as a woman's body. But is

550
00:23:35,624 --> 00:23:37,784
Speaker 2: kind of a bit more fair game to comment on.

551
00:23:38,264 --> 00:23:40,024
Speaker 2: And I think Kate's hair has become a big thing

552
00:23:40,024 --> 00:23:42,824
Speaker 2: off the back of her catcer diagnosis, even with data

553
00:23:42,864 --> 00:23:44,664
Speaker 2: Pink and Smith when that blew up a few years,

554
00:23:44,744 --> 00:23:46,584
Speaker 2: like people thought she was shaving her head as a

555
00:23:46,584 --> 00:23:49,024
Speaker 2: big fashion statement and that was a whole thing of

556
00:23:49,104 --> 00:23:51,584
Speaker 2: Chris Rock at the Oscars making that comment about her hair,

557
00:23:51,984 --> 00:23:55,184
Speaker 2: Will Smith slapping him, and later on her saying, I

558
00:23:55,224 --> 00:23:57,224
Speaker 2: have alopecia and that's why I've chosen not to wear

559
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Speaker 2: a wig to cover it up. And I'm just going

560
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Speaker 2: out onto the world like this. But it's really difficult.

561
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Speaker 2: We see some actresses as they get older to have

562
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Speaker 2: to sort of have these conversations around fitning hair and

563
00:24:07,984 --> 00:24:10,624
Speaker 2: like they haven't talked about it, but like Sarah Usca

564
00:24:10,704 --> 00:24:13,064
Speaker 2: Parker and Nicole kim Men just as like two actresses

565
00:24:13,104 --> 00:24:15,424
Speaker 2: off the top of my head, over the years have

566
00:24:15,544 --> 00:24:17,464
Speaker 2: faced like a lot of allegations about wearing a lot

567
00:24:17,464 --> 00:24:20,824
Speaker 2: of hair pieces, wearing so many wigs and people are like, well,

568
00:24:20,864 --> 00:24:22,744
Speaker 2: their hair was so thick, why is it this now?

569
00:24:22,784 --> 00:24:24,184
Speaker 2: All this sort of stuff, and it's like your hair

570
00:24:24,224 --> 00:24:26,024
Speaker 2: does thin as you get older, it does, and I

571
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Speaker 2: can understand why they're not wanting to have that conversation,

572
00:24:29,704 --> 00:24:31,384
Speaker 2: like they're just putting the wing on and like never

573
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Speaker 2: sort of addressing it in any way.

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Speaker 1: Also, textraally, hair changes as you age, So the more

575
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Speaker 1: grays you get which don't have the melanine in it,

576
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Speaker 1: when it doesn't have the color in it, it becomes coarser.

577
00:24:41,824 --> 00:24:44,544
Speaker 1: So your hair texture changes as you get older too,

578
00:24:44,664 --> 00:24:47,864
Speaker 1: so that affects people as well. But I just I

579
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Speaker 1: think that the discourse around it, and just to kind

580
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Speaker 1: of throw a little bit of a spanner in the

581
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Speaker 1: works here, people who are defending Kate Middleton, which I

582
00:24:55,944 --> 00:24:57,864
Speaker 1: definitely would be like, I don't think it's fair to

583
00:24:57,984 --> 00:25:02,344
Speaker 1: criticize her, particularly with what we know about how her

584
00:25:02,464 --> 00:25:06,104
Speaker 1: last year health wise has been. What about the empathy

585
00:25:06,424 --> 00:25:10,144
Speaker 1: and compassion that people are showing. Why is that not

586
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Speaker 1: being shown towards Megan Markle.

587
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the thing too, because a lot of

588
00:25:14,824 --> 00:25:16,984
Speaker 2: people were jumping in and obviously it's kind of not

589
00:25:17,344 --> 00:25:20,384
Speaker 2: exactly on the same thing because there's a health diagnosis

590
00:25:20,704 --> 00:25:23,304
Speaker 2: throwing in there, but it always comes back to that

591
00:25:23,384 --> 00:25:26,584
Speaker 2: same moment, like it was so predictable watching it happen.

592
00:25:27,024 --> 00:25:30,104
Speaker 2: Is that the photo came up, the comments went crazy,

593
00:25:30,184 --> 00:25:33,104
Speaker 2: people posted about it. All these big traditional news outlets

594
00:25:33,144 --> 00:25:35,744
Speaker 2: picked it up and started running all these articles around

595
00:25:35,744 --> 00:25:38,464
Speaker 2: the backlash to Kate's hair, and then all of a sudden,

596
00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:41,024
Speaker 2: this other side of the Internet came bursting up, as

597
00:25:41,064 --> 00:25:43,944
Speaker 2: they always do, saying like, how dare you call out

598
00:25:43,984 --> 00:25:46,304
Speaker 2: this showing a photo of Kate without calling out this,

599
00:25:46,624 --> 00:25:48,984
Speaker 2: showing all these photos of Megan Markle where she's like

600
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Speaker 2: walking on the beach and her hair's like all you know,

601
00:25:51,344 --> 00:25:52,904
Speaker 2: it's got wind and sand in it, or showing a

602
00:25:52,944 --> 00:25:54,984
Speaker 2: hair looking a bit stringing, or showing a hair looking

603
00:25:55,024 --> 00:25:58,104
Speaker 2: a bit flat, and immediately having to draw that line.

604
00:25:58,144 --> 00:25:59,744
Speaker 2: And the other thing too, is like if you're a

605
00:25:59,744 --> 00:26:02,704
Speaker 2: woman of color, especially in Hollywood and stuff, and especially

606
00:26:02,784 --> 00:26:05,104
Speaker 2: in the public eye, that's always been a huge thing

607
00:26:05,144 --> 00:26:07,464
Speaker 2: of like telling women that they won't be attractive if

608
00:26:07,464 --> 00:26:09,784
Speaker 2: they are women of color, of showing their natural hair,

609
00:26:09,904 --> 00:26:12,664
Speaker 2: saying that they have to wear wigs or hair pieces

610
00:26:12,744 --> 00:26:15,024
Speaker 2: or have it straightened, or not having someone on set

611
00:26:15,144 --> 00:26:19,464
Speaker 2: who knows how to do textured hair. And so I

612
00:26:19,504 --> 00:26:21,824
Speaker 2: just thought that was a terrible line of shaming a

613
00:26:21,864 --> 00:26:24,304
Speaker 2: woman who's had cancer for her hair by drawing a

614
00:26:24,344 --> 00:26:26,504
Speaker 2: direct line to a woman of color and what her

615
00:26:26,504 --> 00:26:28,624
Speaker 2: hair looks like. It was just a bad day to

616
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Speaker 2: be on the internet.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just I think it's because the Megan

618
00:26:31,744 --> 00:26:35,224
Speaker 1: Markle loyalists will try and be like, well, look, you

619
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Speaker 1: can't say this about her and then not say that

620
00:26:37,264 --> 00:26:40,104
Speaker 1: about her again. I totally agree with you. It's a very,

621
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Speaker 1: very different situation. I think Kate Middleton is obviously going

622
00:26:44,184 --> 00:26:46,584
Speaker 1: through a lot right now. I mean we saw it

623
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Speaker 1: at first when before they actually announced the cancer diagnosis.

624
00:26:50,584 --> 00:26:53,744
Speaker 1: You know the Mother's Day photo debacle last year where

625
00:26:53,784 --> 00:26:56,584
Speaker 1: she photoshopped photos. She had to come out and say, yes,

626
00:26:56,624 --> 00:27:00,344
Speaker 1: I photoshopped them because I edited my pictures, maybe because

627
00:27:00,384 --> 00:27:03,344
Speaker 1: she wasn't looking well. But both of them are under

628
00:27:03,384 --> 00:27:07,064
Speaker 1: such scrutiny. In fact, the whole Royal family, particularly the

629
00:27:07,104 --> 00:27:10,064
Speaker 1: women in the royal family, are under such scrutiny that

630
00:27:10,584 --> 00:27:13,024
Speaker 1: no matter what they do, whether they're quiet or they

631
00:27:13,064 --> 00:27:15,104
Speaker 1: speak out, they're going to be criticized for it. And

632
00:27:15,144 --> 00:27:17,344
Speaker 1: I think in this instance it's best to show some

633
00:27:17,384 --> 00:27:20,544
Speaker 1: compassion and empathy for someone who doesn't want to deal

634
00:27:20,584 --> 00:27:24,864
Speaker 1: with something as personal as a cancer treatment with the

635
00:27:25,024 --> 00:27:25,904
Speaker 1: entire world.

636
00:27:25,864 --> 00:27:27,544
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think a lot of people because some

637
00:27:27,584 --> 00:27:30,944
Speaker 2: people said crazy things when they thought that she had

638
00:27:30,984 --> 00:27:33,704
Speaker 2: been replaced with a body double or stuff like that,

639
00:27:34,064 --> 00:27:36,264
Speaker 2: and honestly, some of those rumors looking back them are

640
00:27:36,264 --> 00:27:38,704
Speaker 2: absolutely crazy. So I think now people are going too

641
00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:41,144
Speaker 2: far the other way of like don't leave her alone,

642
00:27:41,184 --> 00:27:44,304
Speaker 2: don't say anything. But there's also the possibility that the

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Speaker 2: woman just wanted a different hair color for summer. There's

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Speaker 2: also like she's probably just sitting in her palace right

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Speaker 2: now with William sitting in the corner, like being very unhelpful,

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Speaker 2: being like I just it was summer. I was down about,

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Speaker 2: like I just wanted to like lighten my hair and

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Speaker 2: try it if had the same hair for the last

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Speaker 2: twenty years, we've all had a blonde stage in our life.

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Speaker 2: We just mostly do it in your very early twenties,

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Speaker 2: which I think she did as well. Like there's photos

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Speaker 2: of her with the wild streaks that everyone gets in

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Speaker 2: their early twenties. But there's a possibility has just sat

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Speaker 2: down to do some maintenance and she was like, I

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Speaker 2: want a new look, and she went a bit blonder

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Speaker 2: than normal and potentially photographed strangely or weirdly. And now

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Speaker 2: everyone's gone crazy over that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also saw it from a couple of different angles

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Speaker 1: and it didn't look as blonde as some of the photos.

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Speaker 2: It was just also money than she normally dies.

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Speaker 1: It was bigger at the crown, so I think that's why.

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Speaker 1: I think, because of the bulkiness at the crown of

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Speaker 1: the head is white. People were speculating it was a week.

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Speaker 2: But even if it was, God forbid the woman trying,

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Speaker 2: who gives it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Anyway, who gives a shit? But let's talk about it

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Speaker 1: for ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: I know, Well, that's important for us because this is

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Speaker 2: we're living vicariously through Kate Middleton's hair. But the sad

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Speaker 2: thing is that she potentially tried something different and then

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Speaker 2: she's put it straight back, so people put the fear

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Speaker 2: of God into her and she'll probably never try any

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Speaker 2: And what world is this if Kate Middleton can't experiment

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Speaker 2: with her hair.

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Speaker 1: She went to a rugby game and she had the

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Speaker 1: sort of slipped back or brunette yeah, chestnutty color. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and she did look beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I will I mean, I know she can't, but I

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Speaker 2: would love her just step out now like a platinum

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Speaker 2: bond rollrig a red wig, a ball cap, a buzz cut,

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Speaker 2: a long black Martitia Adams like, I know she can't

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Speaker 2: because she's the new Queen of England, but or will

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Speaker 2: be the Queen of England, But I would just love

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Speaker 2: her to just go crazy with the whigs to kind

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Speaker 2: of maybe.

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Speaker 1: Really maybe some really really long nails that are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just to throw people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was the big takeaway from Mega Michael's

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Speaker 2: Netflix show is like the only thing she said about

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Speaker 2: the Royal family is that she couldn't really fit in

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Speaker 2: because she couldn't wear beige pantyhose every day. And I

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Speaker 2: was like, I one hundred percent think that you severed

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Speaker 2: your ties with the Royal family with her panty hose,

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Speaker 2: Like women can't live like that. So either way, Kate

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Speaker 2: Middleton looks great. People on the internet are crazy.

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Speaker 4: Just another day.

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