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Speaker 1: Welcome to the sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 2: They adore, the good.

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Speaker 1: Bad and ugly. The best and worst days will bear

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Speaker 1: all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson

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Speaker 1: or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneur who

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Speaker 1: swapped the suits and heels to co found Matta, Maiden

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Speaker 1: and Milk bar c Za is a series of conversations

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Speaker 1: on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. Lovely Yahborhood. It's been

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Speaker 1: such a fun few weeks easing back in with a

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Speaker 1: few light doses of yeas of our lives for you.

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Speaker 1: But we are finally back with our first full interview

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Speaker 1: guests for the year. And I couldn't think of a

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Speaker 1: more perfect human than Briani Benjamin. I read Briani's book

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Speaker 1: Life Is Tough, But So Are You when it came

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Speaker 1: this interview for my research, and both times for different reasons.

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Speaker 1: It was exactly what I needed to find my ya again,

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Speaker 1: and I hope this chat is the same for some

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Speaker 1: of you too. It's like she looked into the future

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Speaker 1: and covered off every topic that's relevant to humanity right now.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like books, quotes, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 1: Brian's Parthier to her dream job as executive producer at MoMA.

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Speaker 1: Mia epitomizes everything we love to talk about here, taking

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Speaker 1: feel I can do justice to Briani's journey without reading

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Speaker 1: it yourself. As well as watching her short video, you

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Speaker 1: only get one life that went viral around the world,

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Speaker 1: touching millions, including myself. Everything Brianie shares about how to

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Speaker 1: hope she does the same for you too. Briani, Welcome

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, and just pumped

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Speaker 1: I'm so pumped to have you. As is usually the

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Speaker 1: case these days, we've been talking for pretty much half

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Speaker 2: I've just been a huge lover of all that you

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Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's very special to get to sit

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I feel like things come into your life

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Speaker 1: it over and over again and every time it hits

434
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Speaker 1: me in the stomach. You know, it just sheds light on, destigmatizes, explains,

435
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, demystifies the experience of a cancer diagnosis,

436
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 1: which is something that a lot of people don't know about,

437
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: and it gives them a really you know, raw and

438
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 1: open insight into or they do know about and they

439
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: don't know quite how to word it or to express

440
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: their feelings or even attempt to describe a percentage of

441
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 1: what it feels like. And it's just done so beautifully.

442
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just think it's so fascinating that video

443
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: and storytelling was your calling, and then it related so

444
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: much to the next chapter too.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah, O, well, thank you. That's so lovely. And as

446
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: you mentioned the video, like, I started documenting the journey

447
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 2: sort of from that first day, and I didn't really

448
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: want to, and I wasn't really comfortable doing that, but

449
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 2: with the encouragement of some friends, they just said, think

450
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: if you could just put some thoughts down and start

451
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 2: capturing what's going on, that would be great, And so

452
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 2: I did, and I think, yeah, like just being able

453
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 2: to it was in a project. It was a distraction,

454
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: but it also gave me some sort of sense of

455
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 2: control in this crazy rollercoaster I had no control over.

456
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then thinking about what would be helpful

457
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: to put out into the world to share that experience

458
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: and help other people going through it or helping someone

459
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: through it.

460
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So tell us about what you've called

461
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Speaker 1: the very Busy and Important day in the book. It's

462
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 1: sort of really interesting how it almost sets up this

463
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: something that I've really again not really ever understood in

464
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: any kind of whether it's cancer, whether it's a trauma

465
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: or a tragedy in someone's life, that there's always a

466
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: day where there's your life before you understood how fragile

467
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: the world is, before you had this clarity of what

468
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: matters and what doesn't matter. Then there's this event, and

469
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Speaker 1: then there's your life after that. There's like you can't

470
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: unsee or unknow the things that you know after that.

471
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Speaker 1: But everything changes, even though at the start of that

472
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: day it was just a normal day in your life.

473
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Speaker 1: And that also was really impressed upon me in the book,

474
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Speaker 1: that you just went to work, we're feeling a bit crap,

475
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: got a test, and then bang the universe changes for you. So, yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: can you talk us through that day and how your

477
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: diagnosis all unraveled and then your journey since then.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, like you said, it was just

479
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 2: a normal day. I was heading into work. We had

480
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 2: Sophie Monk coming in for a debrief on the Bachelorette.

481
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: You know, that's where my head was at. You know,

482
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: I was thinking about, oh, getting in setting up the cameras,

483
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: like you know, is it all going to go well?

484
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: And you know, so that's really all I was thinking about.

485
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: And I had to go and get some test results

486
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: before work started. So I've been feeling kind of crummy

487
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: for about twelve months and had just been going to

488
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 2: the doctor over and over again and just being told, oh,

489
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: You're fine, it's the stress of your job. You know,

490
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: you just need to like rest a bit more and

491
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: meditate a bit more. And no matter what I did,

492
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 2: I just was like this meditation things not working, Like

493
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm not doing it right, but

494
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: I could just never get on top of this icky

495
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: feeling and just I just get sick all the time.

496
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I really related so much to so

497
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: much of your story, Sarah as well, when you've gone

498
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: through a dreamal fatigue and with your parasite and things

499
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: that you had in the past, where you know your

500
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: body is sending you all the warning signs but you

501
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: don't know yet how to listen to that body. So really,

502
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: I was having night sweats at night, I had itchy skin,

503
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: I was fatigued. I just felt awful, and yet I

504
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: just kept pushing through it and pushing it to the side.

505
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: And so coming back to the vet, my vet father

506
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: and mum on my case and they were like, this

507
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: is not okay. Like they literally called up my doctor

508
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: and diagnosed it. Oh really worried that she's got lymphoma.

509
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: They didn't want to freak me out, so they didn't

510
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: tell me, but they're like, can you get it sent

511
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: off for, you know, to see a specialist and get

512
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Speaker 2: some more tests done, because we're really worried.

513
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: It's this Oh my god, into vet.

514
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so, you know, really helpful to have a

515
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: vet in the family, I would say. So, yeah. I

516
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: went and saw this specialist. She took some bloods, we

517
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: did a cat scan. She said, look, come back in

518
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: two weeks and we'll give you the results. So I

519
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: honestly didn't think much more of it. I just thought, oh, yeah,

520
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: rock up, there'll be another dead end. I'll go to

521
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: work film with Sophie Monk, you know, et cetera. And

522
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: the day would gone. And so I got there and

523
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: my beautiful mom insisted on flying down from Queensland to

524
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: Sydney to come to the appointment with me, and I

525
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 2: was like, Mom, I don't, like, I'm so busy, Like

526
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't have time to hang out, like I don't

527
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: have time to go to lunch. Oh my poor beautiful mom.

528
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: What am I like, I'm too busy, too busy and important.

529
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: And she said, I'm just coming anyway, I'm just going

530
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: to come. So mother's intuition. She flew down, came into

531
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: that appointment me and we got in, sat down, and

532
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: the specialist just said to me, I'm so sorry, but

533
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 2: the results are back and it is Hodgkins limpoma like

534
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: your parents were worried about, and it's quite advanced. It's

535
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 2: stage four, which means she didn't this at the time,

536
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: but what it means is it's spread outside your lymph glands,

537
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: it's spread all around your body, and it's in your bones,

538
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: and you know, it's about as advanced as it can

539
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: be at that point. And the first thing I just,

540
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: you know, like you it's just one of those surreal

541
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: moments of life where you just literally feel like you've

542
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 2: slipped into a movie how bad one, and you're like

543
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: you just never you never expect that you will find

544
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: yourself in that situation. And so the only thing I

545
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: could think to ask was will I lose my hair?

546
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 2: And she said, yeah, you will, and That's when I

547
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: sort of was like, all right, so this is quite serious.

548
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: This isn't just you know, she said, we need to

549
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: clear the next six months and we're going to start

550
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: you on a course of chemotherapy straight away. So yeah,

551
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: that was like just the moment you never see coming.

552
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: That was the curveball. Oh my gosh.

553
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: And I found it really really interesting reading how you

554
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: know your first reaction was because it's just so unfathomable.

555
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: You just went straight to my hair, like will I

556
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: lose my hair? Like your first concern is something so

557
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: basic because you can't, seemingly because your brain just can't yeah,

558
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: fathom that this is actually happening to you. So it

559
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: goes to the smallest, most immediate, like understandable concern in

560
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: your life. What about my hair? Yeah, but like the

561
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: vanity though, like what do I tell my hairdresser? Because

562
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: this is important?

563
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: I know, I really hard this healthy long age. Yeah,

564
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: you know, And I think it is a really common thing.

565
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: I've spoke to other cancer survivors that have said the same.

566
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: It was sort of their first thought because that that

567
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: too is a marker I think of, Oh, I'm going

568
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: to be a cancer patient as opposed to like, you know,

569
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: how bout how bad is this really? But you know,

570
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: I think in that moment my specialist was so divine.

571
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: She was just the most beautiful woman. You know, you

572
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: hear these horror stories about doctors and specialists with terrible

573
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: bedside manner. She just couldn't have been more perfect. She

574
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: should like write the rule book for doctors. And she

575
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: just said, look, you know, the main thing is we're

576
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: not going to get too far ahead at the moment.

577
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: We're not going to think about treatment. I don't want

578
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: you to google anything. All we're going to just do

579
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: is focus on the next three steps, and that is

580
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: getting a blood test done, getting a heart and lung

581
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: test done, and booking you in to the IVF clinic

582
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: for tomorrow, which was a whole nother like what not?

583
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: How I thought on Thursday would be panning out, Sophie

584
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: much is waiting for me? You know, I know, still

585
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: haven't matter.

586
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, oh my god, nobody.

587
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: One day I'll be like, sorry I didn't turn up

588
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: that day, but did have a pretty good excuse. So yeah,

589
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: I think that was such It was just the best advice,

590
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: and I was very proud of myself. I didn't Google

591
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: for about thirty hours after which case I did. But

592
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, just thinking, okay, and I come back to

593
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: that all the time now, even now and I feel

594
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: really stressed and overwhelmed, I just come back to that, Okay,

595
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm just going to think about the next three things.

596
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: Everything else can just wait. I don't have to solve

597
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: everything right now. And it's it's been a really helpful

598
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: piece of advice. So yeah, oh my gosh.

599
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's another reason why reading your book

600
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: again at the start of this year was just so timely.

601
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: And I don't think you could have known at the

602
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: time that you were writing all this or formulating all

603
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: these thoughts. But you know, everyone has been thrown a different,

604
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: totally different kind but a big fat COVID curveball. And

605
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: one of the things you write about in the book

606
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: is that you know, uncertainty and all kinds of traumas

607
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: can come and bash up your vision board, Like your

608
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: vision board is what you hope would happen, but then

609
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: things like COVID come or cancer come, and they just

610
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: ruin everything and just shit all over it. But you know,

611
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: one of the coping mechanisms is one step at a time.

612
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: You don't need to have your whole life figured out.

613
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: And that's the approach I kind of try and take,

614
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: especially since COVID, but even before that was another quote,

615
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like all I do is

616
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: steal other people's words and pretend please.

617
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: And I'm a motivational like junkie. I love coming.

618
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Is that you don't have to you know, you don't

619
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: have to see the whole staircase to take the first step.

620
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: You only need to do what you can do in

621
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: the next twenty four hours or the next You know,

622
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: you can't do all the things at once, you can't

623
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: do all the research, you can't do all your chemot once.

624
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: You have to take it day by day. And that

625
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: was something that I sort of read and felt like

626
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: I went on the journey along with you as each

627
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: new test or each new procedure unraveled, that suddenly you

628
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: realize life is like that. Everything becomes clear. Things that

629
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: mattered instantly become clear. Things that didn't matter anymore that

630
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: you thought mattered became clear, and then you realized all

631
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: you need to do is one foot in front of

632
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: the other. And I think that's life. I think that's

633
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things I took out of your

634
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: book is that everything should be that way. We don't

635
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, so you just need to

636
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: be in the day that you're in and focus everything

637
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: on that.

638
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's something I need to remind myself of constantly.

639
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: You know. That's a great thing. You know we were

640
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: talking about before they say you write the book that

641
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: you need and you know to be able to back

642
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: in it and go, oh yeah, because you even what

643
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: I've been through now, you still forget all this stuff.

644
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: You know, you forget to look after yourself and rest

645
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: and do all the things. But yeah, so you've just

646
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: got to constantly reinforce it and not beat yourself up

647
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: either when you forget those things that. Yeah, that step

648
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: by step was just critical.

649
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: And something else that you said, which I think I

650
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: mentioned before we started recording this quote, I actually wrote

651
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: it down. I took a photo of it. It's on

652
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: my phone and I wrote it down on a post

653
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: it note and put on my mirror that you can't

654
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.

655
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: So there are times in your life that are going

656
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: to be just shit. Like cancer is never going to

657
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: be a fun time, but it might last for several

658
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: years or longer, and that doesn't mean you should deprive

659
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: yourself of all joy during that time. And I think

660
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: you had such a healthy attitude towards embrace the shit

661
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: bits but then also appreciate you can have good moments

662
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: in life in between, and you know things, I think

663
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time waiting for things to

664
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: get back to normal in any kind of tough situation.

665
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: But you know, you don't have to get all the

666
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: way back to full health to be happy. They're not mutually.

667
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, you can be unhealthy and having a tough

668
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: time and be happy.

669
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: You know.

670
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: I think that was that really resonated with me.

671
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: So it was like that was such a mind shift

672
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: for me. It was something that my friend Jenna shared

673
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: with me, who's been dealing with really debilitating chronic fatigue

674
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: for fifteen years, that idea that you don't have to

675
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: be healthy to be happy, because I think, you know,

676
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: you totally do tie your happiness to feeling good and well,

677
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: But when that's taken away from you and it's not

678
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: an option, what is the option to sit there and

679
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: just feel awful all the time and down on it

680
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: so whilst, you know, I write in the book about

681
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: I actually one of the most important learnings for me

682
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: was that you don't have to be Pollyanna, that you're

683
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: actually allowed to feel how you feel and sit with

684
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: those feelings, you know, And that acceptance piece early on

685
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: for me was sort of one of the critical ideas

686
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: that helped me, and I think is just so helpful

687
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: for any time of uncertainty, is that some things don't

688
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: have to be understood, just accepted, and really, someday one

689
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: I just took that on board so heavily. It was

690
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: from this gorgeous girlfriend of mine who'd been through a huge,

691
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: you know, mental health struggle, and she said some things

692
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: don't have to be understood, just accepted. And I used

693
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: to just say it in my head all the time,

694
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: you know, And I honestly never wasted any energy going

695
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: why me? Why didn't the doctors pick this up? What

696
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: did I do wrong? You know, because like it's just

697
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: so exhausting, and I thought, I've got other things to

698
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: focus on right now, like starting IVF and getting through chemo,

699
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: and I don't want to waste what energy I have

700
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: going Why me? Why me? Why me? So that acceptance

701
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: piece was just so helpful. And you know, I came

702
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: across this I suppose equation the other to hate that

703
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: I just loved and it sort of puts this all

704
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: into context for me. But it said, you know, your

705
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: pain times your resistance equals your suffering. Oh, I know,

706
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: how good is it? Like the pain is there, like

707
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: cancer sucks, like there's no beating around the bush. Losing

708
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: someone you love sucks, And that pain is there and

709
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be there regardless of what you do

710
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: or say. But how much you suffer depends on you know,

711
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: how much you resist that. And so if you can

712
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: bring out resistance right down instead of timzing your pain

713
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: by a thousand, and you're timsing it by zero, you know,

714
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: like and so that that kind of concept really has

715
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: helped me as well. What can I do to reduce

716
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: that resistance? You know? An acceptance is a big piece

717
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: of that.

718
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Oh that's such a good one. I need to write

719
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: that one down to just as a reminder that you know,

720
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: the more you resist, the worse you make it for yourself.

721
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: It's just such a such a good quote. And I

722
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: love that in the book you are really open about

723
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, the situation itself was really shit.

724
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: You can't change that part, but that you can do

725
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: what you can to control, you know, your response to that.

726
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: And I think you're so inspiring for how openly you

727
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: do document the process and you know, make it seem

728
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: less overwhelming or intimidating than might otherwise seem to people

729
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: who are about to go through chemo, or who have

730
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: a loved one going through chemo, or who have been

731
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: through it themselves and don't yet know how to articulate

732
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: parts of it. So can you tell us what the

733
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: process from the diagnosis on was actually was like for

734
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: you and what it did involve for you to have

735
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: to go through.

736
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really with the book, Like I just

737
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: wanted to create the book that I would have loved

738
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: to have had at the start, and that's really that

739
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: really guided everything that went in it. So you know,

740
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: I didn't want to create something that was going to

741
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: scare people or you know, I just wanted to create

742
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: something helpful that I literally would have just loved to

743
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: have dipped in and out of when I first got sick,

744
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: because I actually got given a lot of books when

745
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: I first got sick, and they scared the be Jesus

746
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: out of me. I was like, get that away from me.

747
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't even want anyone alone reading it.

748
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: You know.

749
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: It was like just scary titles and like when life

750
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: goes to shit and all this sort of stuff. Were like,

751
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean, you know, the first step really was,

752
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: you know, like from that first appointment and she said,

753
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to book you into the IVF

754
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: clinic tomorrow. And I went into this appointment once again,

755
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: it was like, like you said, Sarah, it's like not

756
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: something that was on my radar freezing eggs or going

757
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: through that process at thirty one, and I went in

758
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: and I was hoping to get a female doctor. It

759
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: was a male doctor, and I was sort of like, oh,

760
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: like I'd really like a female And I sat down

761
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: with his man, doctor Ledger, and he just couldn't have

762
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: been more beautiful, and he just said to me, you know,

763
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be such comfort to you when you

764
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: go through this chemo experience to know that we've got

765
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: your eggs frozen and they're put away, and so yeah,

766
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: like it basically started from that first day. You start

767
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: injecting hormones. Normally, if you're going through IVF, you get

768
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: a few rounds at it, maybe a few months if

769
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: you goes to get it just right. In my case,

770
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: they sort of said, we've got one crack at this.

771
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: You know, we can't wait till you're at a certain

772
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: point in a cycle. We just got to go for it,

773
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: and whatever we get is what we get. And I

774
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: was really fortunate. You know, it's one of those things

775
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: that just makes you appreciate the Australian healthcare system and

776
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: universal healthcare so much, and that when you're going through

777
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: cancer you get like a heavy, heavy discount. It's like

778
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: a ninety percent discount off the egg freezing process, so

779
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, silver linings. But yeah, basically, you know, you

780
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: start injecting hormones, they monitor how it's going, and then

781
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: you go in for an egg retrieval surgery, which I

782
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: was quite surprised at that one, Like you said, like

783
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: I was, like, how am I thirty one and only

784
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: thinking about these things for the first time? You know,

785
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: And I think in a way it's a conversation we

786
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: need to have with women a lot younger. You know,

787
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: we spend all of our school years being told not

788
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: to get pregnant. And you know, like all the ways

789
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: that you can use contraception to you know, but we

790
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: never actually then have a conversation about, well, if you

791
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: do want to get pregnant, what does that look like

792
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: and what is a good timeframe for women? And I

793
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: feel like it's you know, not PC to have that conversation,

794
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: so we don't. And so I just felt incredibly grateful

795
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: to be able to go through it and to freeze

796
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: my eggs and have that security blanket there and yeah,

797
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: you know, I was lucky to get a whole stash

798
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: of eggs before I started chemo, and so it was

799
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: literally finished that fly home to the Gold Coast, pack

800
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: up my life in Sydney, and the next morning I

801
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: went in for my first round of chemo.

802
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's just so I feel like, even

803
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: hearing you say that, the doctor said to you, let's

804
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: just clear you next six months, Like, I can't imagine

805
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: what that would feel like to just have all of

806
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: your life plans and dreams and goals, but even just

807
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: meetings for the next day and everything to be like

808
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: from now, this is what your life is dedicated to

809
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: indefinitely until you know you're in the clear. How long

810
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: was that process for you? And how many rounds of

811
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: chemo did you have to go through? And also for

812
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: people who don't understand chemotherapy, like how long did the

813
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: treatments go for do you get really the bad nausea

814
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: that comes with it? And how did you get through that?

815
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, you know, as I said, like the next

816
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: day after the IVF for retrieval, that was straight into

817
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: the hospital. And actually quite a funny thing happened when

818
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: we got to the hospital where my dad drove us

819
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: up to the front door and Mom and I got

820
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: out the back of the car, and as Mum's getting out,

821
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: she actually like cripped her back so badly she couldn't walk,

822
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: and so she's like howling in pain, and so I'm

823
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: like carrying Mum into the hospital. It was so we

824
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: were in hysterics by this point because I'm like, anyone

825
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: looking would just be like, oh, look at that nice

826
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: girl bringing her mum into hospital for treatment. You know.

827
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: It was such a good reminder that you just you

828
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: never know what someone's going through, you know. I looked

829
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 2: to the outside world, I looked so normal, had long hair,

830
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: I done my makeup, like, I looked great. Actually, for

831
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: a first day of KEO patient.

832
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: You know, ready for your chemo selfie, Yeah, ready, ready,

833
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: let's make this look good if we've got to do this.

834
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: But I did think, you know, it's a constant reminder

835
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: to me that just be a bit kinder than you

836
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: have to be because you just don't know what people

837
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: are going through. You really have no idea. And so yeah,

838
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: we walked in and I met these two amazing nurses

839
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: who were just gorgeous, and they just said to me, oh,

840
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: you've got at the eighteen, so come on in and

841
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: we're going to get you started. And yeah, you know,

842
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: they hook you up and you see your nurses like

843
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: dressing themselves in protective plastic and you know, things to

844
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: protect them from the chemo that they're putting in your body,

845
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: which you just go, wow, this is this is a

846
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: toxic concoction. You know, there's not something you'd signed up for. Yeah,

847
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: and it began, and I suppose the hardest, you know,

848
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: so I did twelve weeks of chemotherapy. The hardest part

849
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: was definitely around the hair loss. That was, you know,

850
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: like the bit you're dreading. And so for me, it

851
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: happened about three weeks in so I'd cut my hair

852
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: off into a short little bob. But the day it

853
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: started falling out, I said to mom, let's just shave

854
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: it off because it looks so ugly at this point,

855
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: it's making me sad, Like I looked, I don't give

856
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: the monk look, you know, like balled on top of promicide.

857
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: But no one, no one wants that look, so shaving

858
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 2: shaved it off. But my sister, my little sister, so wise.

859
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: She said to me. I don't even know where she

860
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: got this from. She just said, Hey, I just had

861
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: this idea that what is if the hes as it

862
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: starts to fall out? Rather than you know, thinking, oh,

863
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: my hair's falling out, you could reframe it and think, well,

864
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: that means that the medicine is working and it's doing

865
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: what it's meant to do, and I'm a day closer

866
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: to being out the other side of this. And that

867
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: was such a helpful mind shift for me. I loved that,

868
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, you've got to be very careful dishing out

869
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: this kind of advice to people if you're not going

870
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: through it, But that that just really landed for me,

871
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: and I went, yeah, and so as it fell out,

872
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: I did, I just would say it each time like

873
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: a little mantrap. Oh, it means it's working, you know,

874
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 2: the chemo's working. And that was just you know, one

875
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: example I suppose of a reframe that can just help

876
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: you in those times to go it's okay, I feel sad,

877
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: this is awful, but you know we're plodding along step

878
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: by step. Yeah.

879
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think it's also the hair loss part

880
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: of going through cancer is something that also touches so

881
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: much on our identity, Like so much of our identity

882
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: as a woman is tied up around being feminine and

883
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, doing our hair and presenting a particular way.

884
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: And then add to that someone like you who's such

885
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: a high achiever and always, as you know, had some

886
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: much productivity as well, that when you're sick, you can't

887
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: do that either. So you can't you're not meeting any

888
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: of the markers in your life that have traditionally given

889
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: you self worth or value or excitement in your life.

890
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: And I imagine that having that all stripped away would

891
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: have been so incredibly difficult and something that anyone who

892
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: faces any kind of chronic illness has to grapple with.

893
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: And I definitely found with a drain of fatigue on

894
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: a much much more mild level. That not being able

895
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: to do things really took away my sense of self,

896
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: But that didn't make it heal any faster. Necessarily, you

897
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: just have to sit with that, and then add social

898
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: media and comparing yourself to everyone else and feeling like

899
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: you're getting behind. How did you cope with those kind

900
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: of feelings of you know, losing all the things that

901
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: make you feel like you and trying to you know,

902
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: navigate the rest of the world just going on while

903
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: you were you know, you had to give up everything

904
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: to just focus on healing.

905
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Oh, you know, I think it was tough,

906
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: and it is just that you can only just take

907
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: it as you go, you know, like we've been saying

908
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: the step by step, but definitely being really careful about

909
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: what you consume during that time I think is really

910
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: important and the kinds of people you follow. I remember,

911
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: you know, New Year's Eve just I was like ten

912
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: days into chemo, and you're going on and looking at

913
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: people celebrating their amazing year and how excited they are

914
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: for the year ahead, and you're just thinking, I am

915
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: just so scared of what's to come, you know, so

916
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: that was unhelpful to be on those platforms at that time,

917
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: I felt, which is also like I think I always

918
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: before I share something, I'm always thinking to like, is

919
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: this helpful? Like does this help people? Or is this

920
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: going to make people feel you know, yeah, you know,

921
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't authentically share the things that

922
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 2: are joyful and great as well. I think you absolutely should.

923
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm always conscious about what I share,

924
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: particularly with a lot of people from the cancer community

925
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: following me. I'm conscious about what I share and making

926
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: sure it's helpful. But I think as well. Some great

927
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: advice I was given early on was like just be

928
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: I Like my friend Jenna once again, who wrote a

929
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: little section in the book, she said, are you watching

930
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: much comedy at the moment, And like six weeks into chemo,

931
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm not watching. I'm just watching like,

932
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: you know.

933
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: Docos shows, and I'm you know, yeah, docos and like,

934
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, get back some activity and learning things.

935
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: And trying to go on courses. And it was such

936
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: an obvious suggestion but so important. It's like you've actually

937
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: got to force the laughter and the light things and

938
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: make sure you're putting light things in during that time.

939
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: And then you know, another great I just feel like

940
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: there's so many amazing women in my life that gave

941
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: me great advice during that time. But another one was like,

942
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: just lean on your people like they want to help you.

943
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: It's not going to feel easy as an independent woman

944
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: who's been living her life for the last you know,

945
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: have many years out of you know, leaving home, but

946
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: you've just got to be carried by people during this

947
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: time and they want to help you and kind of,

948
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of what life's all about, actually,

949
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: and you'll get a chance to pay it forward to

950
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: someone else down the track, but for now, you've just

951
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: got to lean into this and let people help you.

952
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think there's so much for anyone

953
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: who you know, wants to hear more about. This is

954
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: so much in Briani's book about not only from the

955
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: perspective of the patient, how to be open to receiving

956
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: and not feel like a burden because you're not, and

957
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: to put yourself in the you know, in the shoes

958
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: of your loved one that it helps them to be

959
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: able to help you as well. Like it you know,

960
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: you are in a situation where you need to be

961
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: able to take because you won't get through it unless

962
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: you're able to do that. But there's also so much

963
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: about the right things to say, the right ways to

964
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: help you know, things that could be helpful and things

965
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: that might not be helpful. I think that's there's so

966
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: much practical, specific knowledge and wisdom and tips in the

967
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: book as well as broader concepts that apply to sort

968
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Speaker 1: of every uncertainty in life. So definitely go and grab

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984
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Speaker 1: What about in the healing process, you know, post chemo,

985
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: and then you write a lot about that, just wanting

986
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: to rush to back to normal. But then the fact

987
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: that again I took so much of this for the

988
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: COVID situation, that maybe you don't go back to normal.

989
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you you'll never be the same, And maybe that's

990
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: a good thing that you're you're waiting to go back

991
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: to old you, but maybe this experience means old you

992
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: is you won't go back to that person. How has

993
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: everything since then kind of gone for you? I mean,

994
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: you've you've founded a new company, you finished up at

995
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Mama Mia. You know, I'm sure you have big plans.

996
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: We were just talking about continuing to burn out even

997
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: though we've learned all these lessons. You've had cancer for

998
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: Christ's sake, and you still find that you're asking so

999
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: much of your body because you know, you expect it

1000
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: to go back to normal. Like, how is everything since

1001
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: then gone? Do you have a lot of fear that

1002
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: it will come back? I feel like that would be

1003
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: a big part of recovery as well. You know, how

1004
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: is everything post cancer?

1005
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I firstly, I just feel incredibly

1006
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: grateful to be here, you know, and incredibly grateful to

1007
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: live in an era and a time where cancers like

1008
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: this are treatable, you know, and just so grateful to

1009
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: the amazing medical fraternity who you know, like just literally

1010
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: angels on Earth. I think, so, you know, like it's

1011
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: a feeling, over archingally of ratitude. And then I know,

1012
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: for me, like it was when the chemo was over

1013
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: that had actually got the hardest, sort of emotionally and mentally,

1014
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: which was a real shock to me. I sort of thought, oh,

1015
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: you'll get through that. And then it's like, okay, cool,

1016
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: we've done the hard bit, let's go. And I just

1017
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: really struggled at that point. I moved back to Sydney.

1018
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: I moved back into my old house, but my housemates

1019
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: and all my neighbors had we had this beautiful community

1020
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: that all moved in the space of the year. Felt

1021
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: like everyone had got engaged, had babies. I'd meanwhile been

1022
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: through a breakup, you know, I had no hair, I

1023
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: just looked different, I felt, you know, it was just

1024
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: it was just a shitty sort of time, you know.

1025
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: And I just on top of that, I had this

1026
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 2: like terrible fatigue, I suppose, and just not feeling well.

1027
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: And I was in a rush, like, as you said,

1028
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: to just sort of reclaim my life and get everything

1029
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: back on track. And I remember watching Michelle Obama's documentary

1030
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: Actually Becoming, and she is sitting around with this group

1031
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: of gorgeous young girls and they say to her, you know,

1032
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: you've just been eight years in the White House. How

1033
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: do you get your life back on track after that?

1034
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: And she said, what track? There is no track. It's

1035
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: just a whole new track now and it's all different

1036
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: and it takes time to figure out what that path

1037
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: is going to be and that's okay. And those words

1038
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: just resonated with me so strongly with my health journey.

1039
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, I'm trying to force myself back

1040
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 2: into a life that I have outgrown and changed from

1041
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: now and you know, that's that's okay. And it's like

1042
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: a whole nother wave of acceptance of moving slower and

1043
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: knowing that you just can't do what you did before

1044
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: and that there's a morning and a grief around that,

1045
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think, and yeah, you just want to.

1046
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: So it was a crash and burn scenario. I think,

1047
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: you know, crash and burn, crash and burn, crash and

1048
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: burn until you know, and I'm still a rookie, I will,

1049
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: you know, be the first to admit I'm still learning,

1050
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: but I'm finding better ways to manage things and pace

1051
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: things in a bit. Part of that has just been

1052
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: saying no, like saying no to things that o'briny would

1053
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: have been like, I'm there, I'm going to be the

1054
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: funnest person in the room. I will be there, and

1055
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: I just no, I just can't, you know, and saying

1056
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 2: things oftentimes it's you know, it's saying no to things

1057
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: that you'd really love to do as well, which is sad,

1058
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: but you're like, well, if I'm a spent up little

1059
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: wreck at the end of it, what's the point, you know?

1060
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: And I feel awful for two weeks.

1061
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. So in the timeline from

1062
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, the end of chemo to then publishing the

1063
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: video that went viral, that is just I mean, I'll

1064
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: put the link in the show notes. It's an absolute

1065
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: must watch. It's just there is so much footage over

1066
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: so much time, which I think would have been really

1067
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: hard at the time to save energy for capturing, like

1068
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: at a time where you can't know how you spel

1069
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: it will be to put together later. Like I imagine

1070
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: now you say to your friends who got you to

1071
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: start documenting that it was a really good idea to

1072
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: do so, and then it turned into the video it

1073
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: did and that went viral, and then the book came

1074
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 1: out and you know, it's all it's just this entire

1075
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: new chapter of you landing messages at a time where

1076
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: we all need it so much. So yeah, through that timeline.

1077
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. You know, as we sort of discussed, I

1078
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: started documenting and I didn't know what I was going

1079
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: to do with all the footage. And that's like what

1080
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: I would just say to anyone that's ever thinking about,

1081
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: you know, be it capturing your business journey, be it

1082
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: capturing something tricky you're going through, or something really wonderful

1083
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: and amazing you're going through, I would say, don't overthink it,

1084
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: like just start, just start filming. Because I'm so glad

1085
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: my friends encouraged me to do that, because I thought,

1086
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, well, what's this going to be and what

1087
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: am I going to film? And what am I going

1088
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: to make but I just captured it all because you

1089
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: can't go back in time and get it again. So

1090
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: I think that was that was great. I'm so so

1091
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: happy they encouraged me to do that. And so I

1092
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: basically had this hard drive of all this footage and

1093
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, maybe I'll make a documentary. And I thought, oh,

1094
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to marinate in this for a year.

1095
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: You know, I just and short form viral content. That's

1096
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: kind of my thing. So I gave it to my

1097
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: mum and me r work wife, Claire Gerber, who's just

1098
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: a gun editor, producer, writer. We've done all of our

1099
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: creative content together at Mama Mea. And she said, oh,

1100
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: can you just go through and pick out the clips

1101
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: that you think would be good and I'll put it

1102
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: into a video. And after a month of her bugging

1103
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 2: me in another month and another month, she was like, Oh,

1104
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: you don't want to go into this, do you like?

1105
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: Do you want me just to take it and do it?

1106
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: And so I wrote a script and I just sent

1107
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: it to her and she just edited into this beautiful video.

1108
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: When I got it back, it was just, Oh, I

1109
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: couldn't believe what a beautiful job she'd done. With it

1110
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: because I just couldn't go in and go through that fouture.

1111
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: I'm still too raw at that time totally. But it

1112
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: was interesting when that went out out into the world,

1113
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: and really interestingly my mom shared with me when she

1114
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: first saw it. She said, oh, like, even though she

1115
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: was by my side and held my hand every step

1116
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: of the way through that journey, she said, I had

1117
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: no idea of the depths of the pain that you

1118
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: were in throughout it, you know, because she said, I

1119
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: feel like you really kind of kept that from us,

1120
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: or you held that in, you know, so, but having

1121
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: it go out into the world and then people that

1122
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: are in chemo right now or who'd come through it

1123
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: telling me, like, you know, just reaching out and saying

1124
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: thank you so much for making that video because I

1125
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: feel like you articulated every thought I ever had going

1126
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: through it. But I've never been able to really share

1127
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: that with my friends and family. So it was this

1128
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: amazing thing where they said, like, you've actually given me

1129
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: something where I can now tell my friends and family

1130
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: what it was like and they get it. So, you know,

1131
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: that was a really lovely unintended consequence of it. And yeah,

1132
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: one of the people that saw that was Kelly, who's

1133
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: like both of them, publisher Kelly, who's the gorgeous Kelly,

1134
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: and I just connected with her straight away when she

1135
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: reached out and she said, I've just I've watched your

1136
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: video and I've bored my eyes out and I've sent

1137
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: it to everyone in my family and I would just

1138
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: love to talk to you about turning this into a

1139
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: helpful guidebook for anyone that's going through a tough time.

1140
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: And I thought, yeah, like, I want to do this

1141
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: to prove to myself I can sit and concentrate for

1142
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: more than a minute.

1143
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: That being distructed by Instagram.

1144
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: And secondly, I just yeah, like, I think there's a

1145
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: gap in the world for this book that I would

1146
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: have loved to have had when I first got that curveball.

1147
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: That would have been really helpful. So yeah, I sat

1148
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: down to do that, and you know, it came out

1149
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: in August last year, and I wrote it during the

1150
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: first lockdown, thinking, oh, by the time this book comes out,

1151
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: COVID will be a long gone. It'll be you know,

1152
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: all over read Rover. And sure enough, the book came

1153
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: out literally on the eve of the third lockdown that

1154
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: Melbourne was going into and you know, in a whole

1155
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 2: unintended way that I never had planned for. It became

1156
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: so relevant to so many people, and getting messages from

1157
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: people that were in the thick of lockdown and in

1158
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: total despair saying, oh, this is helping me so much,

1159
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: thank you. It was just such a wonderful feeling.

1160
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and you just have created something that

1161
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: is so like I can imagine that. You know, if

1162
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: anyone who has who's going through chemo, or who has

1163
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: a family member or a loved one going through it,

1164
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: that it has, you know, a really acute relevance. But

1165
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: it's also written in such a way that anyone going

1166
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: through anything that is difficult and challenging. I mean even

1167
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: the title life is tough, but so are you. It's

1168
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: so has such a broader relevance I think for all

1169
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: of us in something that again none of us thought

1170
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: we would still be having to be tough, you know,

1171
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: into a third year. I think we're all just waiting

1172
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: for that normal to resume. But yeah, it's the perfect

1173
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: handbook for this year.

1174
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: I must say, it's been the absolute honor of my

1175
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: life to on a weekly basis, I will receive a

1176
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: message from someone who is just going through the most

1177
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: challenging thing. Be it that is that you know a

1178
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 2: sibling who my age, you know, has just literally died

1179
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: for no reason, or someone who you know has been

1180
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: really struggling in the middle of lockdown, or you know,

1181
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: like there's just been so many people doing it so

1182
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: tough out there, and for them to reach out and say,

1183
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: this has helped me so much this week, Like I know,

1184
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: I can just get through this week now. It's just

1185
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: been the greatest privilege. So yeah, so grateful for the

1186
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to have done it.

1187
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, yeah, it's helped me so much,

1188
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it is helping so many, so many

1189
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: other people. What would you say? I mean, there's so

1190
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: much in the book that I wanted to pull out.

1191
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: Like I said, I just would have liked to just

1192
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: read the whole book to everyone as an audiobook interview

1193
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: because it's just so brilliant. Yeah, everyone, you'll just have

1194
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: to go and get a copy and trust me. But

1195
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: what would be some of your reflections to leave the

1196
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: audience with unhappiness after everything you've been through and then

1197
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: everything you've been able to do to kind of make

1198
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: that I think It's a true skill to have gone

1199
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: through something, but an even bigger skill to then be

1200
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: able to communicate what that feels like and also make

1201
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: something useful of it for other people going through that.

1202
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: What would you like to leave people with on the

1203
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: point of happiness? Because I think that's something that's the

1204
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: big question for this show is what is that? How

1205
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: interrelated is it with success, productivity, health? What is going

1206
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: on in the world around us? Where does not being

1207
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: a Pollyanna fit in with that? How does everything happens

1208
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: for a reason fit into that? You know, there's it's

1209
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: just such a difficult concept, but it's something we're all

1210
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: really striving for in life. How do you feel about

1211
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: it now? What words do you have to anyone who

1212
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: has been having a shit time but need some words

1213
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: on finding happiness in life?

1214
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I really think you know that concept of you

1215
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 2: just can't future date it, which is what I think

1216
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: I did a lot then and I'm more conscious of

1217
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: it now, But you just cannot wait for you know,

1218
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: when I've got that job, when I've saved that money,

1219
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: when I've lost that weight, when I you know, I've

1220
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 2: got that great outfit and I'm feeling like it's here,

1221
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: it's right here, and it's within our control, you know,

1222
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: and just being I know it sounds token, but sitting

1223
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: in moments and truly sitting in them, like I spending

1224
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: this last hour with you. I've just loved every moment

1225
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: of this conversation, you know, and just being present and

1226
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: having this time like this is a really joyful and

1227
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: special thing that you know, our lives are just so

1228
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: much richer than we then we can ever comprehend, and

1229
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: we often forget that, I think. And so you know

1230
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: when everything is kind of stripped away and stripped back,

1231
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: and particularly physically as well, right, you know, no hand,

1232
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: no eyebrows, Like, wow, this is this is me. I'm like, oh,

1233
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: I look like I did in high school with no

1234
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: eyebrows before I learned how to die them.

1235
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: It's a TikTok filter that takes away your eyebrows and

1236
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't need that for filter.

1237
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would literally just be me all through school.

1238
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: Utal form hot hot.

1239
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: Really hart really hot. Yeah, you know like that, this

1240
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: isn't the dress rehearsal. This is it, you know, and

1241
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: like my video sort of said, it's this this one

1242
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 2: life that's all you get and we get so caught

1243
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: up in trying to impress people and worrying about what

1244
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: everyone else thinks. And you know, it is something I

1245
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: come back to all the time now, particularly if I'm

1246
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: feeling a little shy, a little insecure, you know, like

1247
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm a big power poser fan, like you shoulders back up,

1248
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: you know, and like you have no idea what I've

1249
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: done in my life. And you know, you don't need

1250
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: to have been through cancer to have that feeling. It's like, yeah,

1251
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: think of all the extraordinary things you've done, how loved

1252
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: you are by so many people. Your capabilities we forget,

1253
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 2: you know, but it's like, just careless about what everyone

1254
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: else thinks. What do you want to do? How do

1255
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 2: you want to spend your days? You know? So yeah,

1256
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: I mean I could go on, I could go on forever,

1257
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: but I think yeah, And you know, just as a

1258
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: sidebar message just for women particularly, is that like you

1259
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: are the only one that knows your body. Yeah, knows

1260
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: how it feels and knows what it feels like to

1261
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: live inside it. And we just have to I think

1262
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: as women, trust our intuition a bit more on things totally,

1263
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: because we get it. We know and my body was

1264
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: sending me all the warning signs, but I was not

1265
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: yet attuned to how to listen to that. So I

1266
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: just do say to everyone, now, you know, if you

1267
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: are really not feeling good, like you've just got to

1268
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: keep digging and don't give up until you've got answers.

1269
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such good advice. Our bodies are so clever,

1270
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: they scream out signs. It's just that we're not very

1271
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: good at listening to them. Acially, in light of that

1272
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: kind of you know, just living in the now, but

1273
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: also with the uncertainty that we all are still facing

1274
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: in terms of where the world's at, I find it

1275
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of a confused, not frustrating question, but a bit

1276
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: of a confusing one when people are like, what's next

1277
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: for you? What are your plans for twenty twenty to do?

1278
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: But like, how are you feeling about this year? What

1279
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: is the next focus for you? Is it just keeping

1280
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: pushing out the book's message? Is it?

1281
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: You know?

1282
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Speaker 1: The new business is the uncertainty of you know, the

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Speaker 1: cancer coming back? Does that way on your mind? How

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Speaker 1: do you cope with that uncertainty? What sort of a head?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I must say, in terms of the cancer side

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Speaker 2: of things. I just once again tapping into that intuition.

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Speaker 2: I just know it's never going to come back. That's anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's the that's the funny idea of going with But

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Speaker 2: I really have this belief that I'm like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: never entered my head again. I'm like, all you can

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Speaker 2: do is, you know, do my routine tests, keep across it,

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Speaker 2: but not over not overstress it. And I write about

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: that in the book that like literally, if you worry

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Speaker 2: and it happens, you've done double the worry. And if

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Speaker 2: you worry and it didn't happen, you're worried for no reason.

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Speaker 2: So I really do live by that mentality now of

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Speaker 2: like I'm not going to worry until there's like some

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Speaker 2: seriously concrete evidence that I need to be worried. Otherwise

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to roll with it. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean for me, like I'm a big goal setting guru.

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Speaker 2: I love it, you know. And interestingly, the yeah, I

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Speaker 2: know right the year I got diagnosed, it's so funny.

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Speaker 2: It's the first year I didn't write goals and I

1304
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: just couldn't. I couldn't think about what I wanted to do.

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't get it clear on it, and I think

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01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: it was because my body was there going, oh can

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Speaker 2: we just rest.

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Speaker 1: Please give us a minute time to do the things

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: That was really interesting in hindsight to go, oh, my

1311
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: body was like, no, no, we're not setting goals. We

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01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: are not running a marathon this year. We are.

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Speaker 1: We are, but a different kind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When I set my goals now, I

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Speaker 2: literally always put health and well being at the top

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Speaker 2: before anything comes, because I know that if that's not

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Speaker 2: taken care of, none of the other things can flow.

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Speaker 2: And that looks really small for me at the moment

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01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: because I'm living with chronic fatigue still and I'm working

1320
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Speaker 2: my way through that. Oh yeah, I know it's look

1321
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: it is what it is. But once again, that's been

1322
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: a whole nother journey of acceptance, and so I've just

1323
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: started small. I watched this Ted talk that I just

1324
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: adored last year. It was called try something new for

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Speaker 2: thirty days.

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Speaker 1: I love that one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's great, isn't it? And so like, for example,

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Speaker 2: I've had really chronic neck pain for four years and

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Speaker 2: I've got like these set exercises and stretches that I

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: should be doing every day and I just have never

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Speaker 2: consistently stuck to them. So at the start of this year,

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Speaker 2: for example, I was like, I'm just going to do

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Speaker 2: that for thirty days, you know, So taking it in

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01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: those sort of thirty day blocks, I think is a

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Speaker 2: really and especially if anyone listening that's just feeling a

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01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: bit overwhelmed by the year ahead and a bit borer,

1337
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: it's like, just pick one thing, just pick one thing

1338
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: that you've always wanted to do or try, or that

1339
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: you think will improve your life, and go with that.

1340
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: So it starts for me with the health and the

1341
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 2: small things. And then yeah, like I work with a

1342
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: whole bunch of amazing purpose led organizations now helping them

1343
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: with creative and content and video, and yeah, I've been

1344
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: moving into doing more speaking, which I've just loved connecting

1345
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: with audiences. I mean, it's been largely virtual.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to.

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01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just want to keep telling stories

1348
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: that impact the world positively and help people, and just

1349
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: finding different platforms and bigger stories to tell. Really, so

1350
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: that's the plan.

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Speaker 1: My gosh, oh, briany, Well, it has just been an

1352
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: absolute pleasure. I don't find myself at a loss forul

1353
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: words very often, but I haven't really had the words

1354
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: and most of this episode to express how much adamare

1355
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: I have for you and how much I feel like

1356
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: everyone needs to read your book. It's just the antidote

1357
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: to everything that we face in the world at the moment.

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01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: It's so brilliant and I will make sure to put

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Speaker 1: a link in the show notes. But just to finish up,

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Speaker 1: I always love to ask what our guest's favorite quote is,

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01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: even though we've bandied a lot of them back and

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: forth already. Is there what in particular?

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: One is so hard? Can I have two? Oh?

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01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: You can have as many as you like. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh,

1365
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: you can just throw the book at people and be like,

1366
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: there's one on every page. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then there's a bonus hour of just bouncing Motivation

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01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: division one that I really love at the moment, and

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Speaker 2: it kind of comes back to what we were talking

1370
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Speaker 2: about with that thirty day thing and breaking things down

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01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,479
Speaker 2: and when you are feeling overwhelmed, how do you stay

1372
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: motivated in the face of that? But it said people

1373
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: often say that motivation doesn't last well, neither does bathing.

1374
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: That's why we recommend it daily. And for me, you know, yeah,

1375
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: like for me, that has been thinking about how do

1376
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: I make my goals and my dreams, and particularly those

1377
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: health goals things that I can do every day practically,

1378
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: And so you know, of course that's having it printed

1379
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: out and seeing it somewhere visually. But I work off

1380
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: Monday dot Com like as a project management tool, and

1381
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: I have all my affirmations listed out in that and

1382
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: all my goals. So I stole that from Tina Tower,

1383
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: like a mentor of mine. But so now every day

1384
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: I start with those. And I learned recently as well

1385
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: that with your affirmations, if you move your body as

1386
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: you're sort of saying them, it sort of, you know,

1387
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: really deeply connects them into your body and mind in

1388
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: a more helpful way. So I just love that one

1389
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: and like thinking about, well, how can I just do

1390
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: things daily at the moment rather than being overwhelmed by

1391
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: the big goal. So that's it. And then on the

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01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: flip side of that, the last quote I'd just love

1393
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: to share is a quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson, and

1394
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: it says, adopt the pace of nature. Her secret is patience.

1395
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, the more I learn, I

1396
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: feel like nature just has all the answers and we

1397
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: ask clever humans with our busy lives, like the more

1398
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: you can just copy what nature does. Connecting to that

1399
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: reconnect with nature. It's always the thing, you know that

1400
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: nourishes us.

1401
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh. That actually reminds me of part

1402
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: of your book that again I wanted to highlight, but

1403
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: I didn't want to wreck the beautiful colors, so I

1404
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: put a post it note on it instead, in the

1405
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: part about you know, looking after your body, and it

1406
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: was that there should be like stick to the speed limit.

1407
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: And I think that really resonated with me so much

1408
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: because something I say on this show all the time

1409
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: as if I invented it, which I obviously didn't. But

1410
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: I have this theory that which is probably not a theory,

1411
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: it's probably scientifically proven somewhere, but that you know, over time,

1412
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 1: industry and technology and our ability to cope with it

1413
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: physically and mentally have been you know, increasing pretty much

1414
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: side by side until recently, where technology has exponentially expanded

1415
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: and our bodies haven't had time to keep up with

1416
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: it because it's just happened too quickly. We've been able

1417
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: to suddenly, you know, work a twenty four hour day,

1418
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: but we haven't adjusted physically to being able to cope

1419
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: with that or mentally, which is why there's so much

1420
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: anxiety and stress disorders and stuff like that. And so

1421
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: I love that that analogy of just because you can,

1422
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: because of technology, operate at one hundred and fifty k's

1423
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: an hour doesn't mean you should be doing that. There

1424
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: should be a recommended World Health Organization speed limit of

1425
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: hours or level of exertion that we, you know, should

1426
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: be sticking to even if we can technically do more.

1427
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: But I feel like we all just see the time

1428
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: and if it's there, we feel it because we can,

1429
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: and then we're like, why am I sick totally? Why

1430
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: am I tired all the time? Why have I gottigue?

1431
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: So the speed limit thing, I'm like, Oh, I need

1432
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: someone to set a speed limit for me, and I

1433
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: need to stick to it.

1434
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: The Sarah speed limit.

1435
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is actually like five kilometers an hour.

1436
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's so true, And like, I mean, that was

1437
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 2: that was probably like the biggest shock of my year

1438
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: last year was learning that I don't know what rest

1439
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: is like, even after everything I've been through. I went

1440
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: through this chronic fatigue clinic and they broke down my

1441
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: week and they looked at it and they said, but

1442
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: you know, you're not resting at all, like ever, And

1443
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, i am. Look I sat there

1444
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: and read a book and I listened to a podcast there,

1445
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: and I watched a show and they're like, yeah, none

1446
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: of those things are resting. And that was a real

1447
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: light bulb moment for me as well. You know, scrolling

1448
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: Instagram feels really saying it's not resting, it's stimulation, you know,

1449
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 2: even and they said to me, even like doing a

1450
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: meditation is not necessarily RESTful when you're feeling like it's

1451
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 2: another thing on your to do list that you've got

1452
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 2: to do, and you know, and so she said to

1453
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: actually was getting a cup of tea, staring out the

1454
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: window and just staring up at the trees like that

1455
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: is resting. About how often we actually do that, you know?

1456
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: Not often? So I am trying to just find a

1457
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: few more pockets in my day. Like full disclosure, I'm

1458
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: really bad at it. It's not often we just get

1459
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 2: off all the devices, is it, and just sit and

1460
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: just be we are the Saturday is just feel your

1461
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: body wind out.

1462
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I'm like literally the same thing when

1463
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: I had a dream or fatigue. They were like, you

1464
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: are over productivizing everything you do, Like you're going you're

1465
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: having a bath, like a bubble bath, which is ultimate

1466
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: pamper relaxation, and you're listening to like a finance podcast,

1467
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: like how can I exponentially my business figures? Like they're like,

1468
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: how do you categorize that? Not as work? Just because

1469
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: you're in the bath doesn't cancel out that it's thinking.

1470
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, what you mean. I can't

1471
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: make every minute doubly useful? Like I can't be multitasking

1472
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: at all.

1473
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: Times, I know, but I want to learn things I improve.

1474
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, Yeah, that was revolutionary for me too. That

1475
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: like you can't go for a walk with the dog

1476
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: but listen to, you know, a podcast that's teaching you

1477
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: something and think that that's downtime because it's on. You're

1478
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: on same with events, you're off work, but you're talking

1479
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: to people and networking and thinking. And yeah, they're like,

1480
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: you literally look at for the ages people have just

1481
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: been staring into space because brain needs it. I'm like, oh,

1482
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't ever do that.

1483
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: No, And it's funny when you listen when you listen

1484
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: to some of the most creative people in the world.

1485
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: They say, give yourself time just to get bored, Like

1486
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 2: you have to have time to get bored because otherwise,

1487
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, you just don't come up with your good ideas.

1488
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, that was a shock to me as

1489
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: well that driving is actually one of the most cognitively

1490
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 2: draining things you could do, because I'd always think I

1491
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: have a meeting or by the time I drive there,

1492
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: that's a nice you know, thirty minute break. They're like, oh, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: that is it's not great. That's been continuing to learn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to ban self help books or any

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01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 1: kind of nonfiction because even though it was like reading

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Speaker 1: in my reading chair, of course you're like buzzing all

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Speaker 1: the time. If there are any book that stimulates a revelation,

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Speaker 1: you're not resting in any way. You're like ramping up, going. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like Harry Potter only gets yeah, exactly, so good.

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Speaker 1: I love that there's a Hogwarts reference in the book.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is my gal, like we

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01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: are literally meant to be we are souls.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I just rewatched all the films over Christmas.

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Speaker 2: It was the funnest. And then have you seen the

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Speaker 2: twenty year Reunion.

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Speaker 1: Yet I haven't watched it. I haven't felt like I'm

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: quite ready to see them as adults, you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, oh, it's so good though, because

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: they show all this footage from behind the scenes, like

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Speaker 2: from their audition tapes and when they're all little and

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Speaker 2: like the first director just has like fifty young kids

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Speaker 2: that have never been on us, you know, on a

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01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: set before, and they're all just so rumsticks and ones

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: and it's just like chaos, and you're like, wow, man,

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Speaker 2: well done, Like that is a job and a half.

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Speaker 1: So oh my god, oh my god. Yeah, that's actual,

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Speaker 1: Like I never thought about that, but what a disaster.

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: They were all so young and so like crazy and

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,520
Speaker 1: new and not experienced actors, like insane.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I just to have a total

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Speaker 2: name drop moment.

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Speaker 1: It's like doing one.

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Speaker 2: But I went and did as Shakespearean intensive in London,

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01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: as you do when you're studying a commerce degree of course,

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: makes total sense. And I got there on the first day,

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Speaker 2: walked in. I'm like, oh, I know her, she's really familiar.

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Speaker 2: It was Emma Watson had come to do this course

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Speaker 2: for like a month in London, it was so cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we like Hermione.

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Speaker 2: I know. I was like she was between like Harry

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Speaker 2: Potter four and five I think at the time, and she,

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Speaker 2: you know, had the summer off and had come to

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Speaker 2: do this course, and I was like, this is so cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I was like fully offended when I

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01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: didn't get the call up to be Tro Chang in

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Speaker 1: the movies. Like I just was like, there is like thinking,

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Speaker 1: Sarah right, there is one major advantage to Asia, would

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: that I could have been right. I'm not British. I

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: didn't apply to Beto Chang did an audition, but I

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01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: still felt like someone was going to call me at

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: some point, you know, like, oh, that is.

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Speaker 2: So sad that you didn't, because you know, it was

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01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: like open auditions audition England like auditioned. Yes, they show

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: reunion like literally every child in England audition for Harry Potter.

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Speaker 1: I'm devastated should have been me. Like I read that book.

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01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: I was like, one day they're going to make movies

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: of this and there's one Asian character and it's going

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01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: to be me. I'm not even Chinese, but I just

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01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: feel like I just feel like I'm meant to be

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01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: in Harry. I just feel like I'm meant to be

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: in Harry Potter. But maybe it's because I'm a Gryffindor

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01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,520
Speaker 1: and she's not a Gryffindor.

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: So true, true, you are Gryffindor. I'm right to Gryffindor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what I reckon. We're both Gryffindors

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: who asked to be Gryffindor because actually we're raven claws.

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: But we were like, we know I want to. I

1557
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: was like sorting that you fucking put me in the

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Speaker 1: Brave house. Okay, just like Harry did.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like conversation has ended in the best way possible.

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01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, when I just drop a

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: Harry Potter reference in a conversation, if they not everyone

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: knows what's happening, I'm like, well, I'm leaving now because

1563
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: if you didn't get that rights anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's like, Wow, I just feel so sad that you've

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Speaker 2: not had this in your life.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, did you even have a childhood? Like what

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: did you even do it? If you weren't reading her.

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Speaker 2: And massive missed opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, Briani, thank you so much for joining. This

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: has been an absolute delight. You are seriously my hero,

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Speaker 1: and everyone, everyone go and get her incredible book. Life

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: is tough, but so are you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me on, Sarah. It's

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01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: just been so beautiful to have this time with you.

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01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: And I'm just such a huge fan of all that

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01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: you do and all that you put into the world

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: and the energy that you give this amazing community that

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Speaker 2: you've built. Yeah, you're a really inspirational person in my life.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it was so special to have this time

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Speaker 2: with you. So thank you, Oh thank you.

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Speaker 1: What a woman. I am utterly as with Briani, and

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Speaker 1: I'm probably off to go read her book for the

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Speaker 1: fifth or sixth time. I can't even keep count. She

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Speaker 1: and it are everything we need right now, and I

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01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: cannot recommend you follow her and grab her book more highly.

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Speaker 1: I'll pop the link in show notes for everyone. If

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Speaker 1: you enjoy this episode, please shower her with love and

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: thank her for sharing her time and wisdom with us.

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Speaker 1: Tagging at Briani underscore, Benjamin and us of course, so

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Speaker 1: we can reshare with the neighborhood and continue to grow

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Speaker 1: bigger and better every week. I hope you're all having

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Speaker 1: an amazing week and are seizing your yea