Speaker 1: From Mama Miya. Welcome to This Spill, your daily pop
Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Annie Sherist Warren
Speaker 1: and on the show today we have a very very
Speaker 1: special Friday show because you might remember a little old
Speaker 1: episode of the Spill where Bree and TB watched a trailer,
Speaker 1: a trailer for what I'm seeing is might be the
Speaker 1: perfect movie. Although this trailer is very, very strange. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Wicker. I feel like it's everywhere. So many
Speaker 1: people have sent this to meeting, like, so we're going
Speaker 1: to see the hot wooden Man in October. Oh, I
Speaker 1: want you to make me a husband be at the
Speaker 1: chapel in a month.
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: Are you am? Maryor to marry you? What's that? This
Speaker 1: is my husband? I heard that he's strong as a
Speaker 1: tree and just as hard. He's wicker. Straighten me right out.
Speaker 1: Did you know there was two different versions of this trailer? Yes,
Speaker 1: I have heard there's another version where you see the
Speaker 1: full length of him for a brief second. I haven't
Speaker 1: actually seen that one. I'll trying to find it. You
Speaker 1: see like a lot more. I think you get a
Speaker 1: lot more surface area of Wicker that you experience in
Speaker 1: the UK trailer, whereas in the US trailer, which is
Speaker 1: the one that's most widely shared, it's a tiny bit
Speaker 1: more conservative, just a little bit for anyone who hasn't
Speaker 1: seen it and has no idea what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Should we give them a little rundown on what Wicker is? Okay,
Speaker 1: do you want to do that? Or shall I? I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1: Not your strong suit, maybe you no, I'll try. I'll
Speaker 1: give it a go. So Wicker it's a movie that
Speaker 1: stars Olivia Coleman and Alexander Skarsgard Alexander Scar's guard, and
Speaker 1: Peter Dinklish and they are living in this like seaside
Speaker 1: town in the in the Middle Ages outside I reckon
Speaker 1: it's nineteenth century. It has to be seaside because she's
Speaker 1: a fisher woman, true, and the whole town's people make
Speaker 1: fun of Olivia Coleman's character because she hasn't married and
Speaker 1: she's a fisher woman. So she goes to Peter Dinklish,
Speaker 1: who's like, the town, I want to say weaver, and
Speaker 1: she's like, can you make me a husband? Yes? And
Speaker 1: he's like, get the chapel in a month, and she's
Speaker 1: like all right, and he weaves her an actual live
Speaker 1: husband made purely out of wicker. Yes, and then they
Speaker 1: have a lot of hot sex. Yeah, it's a very
Speaker 1: horny movie. Yeah. The trailer there's a scene where he
Speaker 1: just gets his wooden erection his woods, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and then they just have lots of sex and she's
Speaker 1: like screaming and her whole life is great. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I hear the women in the town from what I
Speaker 1: can see from the trailer, they get very jealous because
Speaker 1: like she's having such a good time, And the men
Speaker 1: in the town also get jealous from a perspective of, like,
Speaker 1: we need to kill this weird creature man. He's out
Speaker 1: doing us. He's out doing us about men's insecurity, you
Speaker 1: know what. It kind of reminds me of. It kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of and this is a long shot
Speaker 1: to stick with me the B movie, whereas you know,
Speaker 1: the main character how her boyfriend was like why you
Speaker 1: spending so much time with this bee? Yeah. I kind
Speaker 1: of see it from the perspective of the townspeople going,
Speaker 1: why is this like wicked man just here in our town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like none of them wanted to be with her,
Speaker 1: So I'm like just not happy with Wickerman. He has
Speaker 1: quite a hot, baskety body like he's definitely oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Peter Dinkler's character did works on this body. He did
Speaker 1: gave him a six pack, yes, and some biceps. And
Speaker 1: you know, originally it was going to be played by
Speaker 1: Dev Patel. He was initially attached to this movie. You're
Speaker 1: giving me a look. He was gonna play Wicker. He
Speaker 1: was gonna play Wicker and he was gonna be like
Speaker 1: the guy, and then it all changed. Now it's Alexander
Speaker 1: Scar's guard, who I do feel like is the sex
Speaker 1: guy Alexander scars Guard. He is an interesting character to
Speaker 1: me because he knows, like all the scars bros know
Speaker 1: that they're so good looking, so hot, you gotta be different,
Speaker 1: and then they always play the weirdest, wackiest characters. He
Speaker 1: also played Nosferatu or is that Bill? I don't know.
Speaker 1: One of them played the clown in it. That's Bill.
Speaker 1: It's just like, why can't we just see their faces?
Speaker 1: They don't want to show their faces. Well. Alexander Skarsgard
Speaker 1: though Big Little Lives, I mean, he was abusive in that,
Speaker 1: but he had a lot of sexy and he was
Speaker 1: a success Succession, and he was in Pillion, which came
Speaker 1: out this year, which also has a lot of sex.
Speaker 1: So maybe he's just in his sexy ear ear maybe.
Speaker 1: And he's also in True Blood, which has some of
Speaker 1: the craziest sex scenes of our time, Like vampire sex
Speaker 1: is on another level. Yeah, that's true, that's true. But
Speaker 1: I do feel like this film it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a reverse of the traditional male gaze because it's like
Speaker 1: this woman just specifically goes this guy and he's like
Speaker 1: a made to order man, and everyone's got a problem
Speaker 1: with it. Everyone's got a problem with it. But I
Speaker 1: think from the trailer it's like he's meant to be
Speaker 1: like sexy. Like I think the writers of this movie
Speaker 1: were like, we want to make him like what every
Speaker 1: woman wants. Yeah, and it's mainly because he just gives
Speaker 1: her attention, honestly. Yeah, and because we know Alexander Scar's
Speaker 1: gud's under there. We know he's somewhere under there, and
Speaker 1: it's all practical effects. Yeah. But this brings us to
Speaker 1: why we're doing today's episode. Yes, so we're doing today's
Speaker 1: episode because all everyone's talking about is this trailer, So
Speaker 1: we want to talk about the movies and TV shows
Speaker 1: that has an unlikely sexy person that we just became
Speaker 1: obsessed with, so a character that the writers were like, Oh, no,
Speaker 1: one's really going to care about this person or find
Speaker 1: this person hot, and the audience went the complete other way,
Speaker 1: and we're like, no, this person is the hot one,
Speaker 1: either the audience or just us or just us? Oh
Speaker 1: why do you have just you? No? I have one
Speaker 1: that I actually think a lot of people do find attractive,
Speaker 1: but I have a reason why they shouldn't. But then
Speaker 1: I still do. It's a bit of Okay, do you
Speaker 1: want to go first? Oh, okay, I can go first.
Speaker 1: So I'll start with one that I have spoken about
Speaker 1: this movie on this fill once before, but I haven't
Speaker 1: like deep dived into this character. And the reason I
Speaker 1: spoke about it was actually in a rap that we
Speaker 1: did on Valentine's Day of like movies that will stop
Speaker 1: you texting your toxic x. Oh. But my reason for
Speaker 1: including this was because there's like a really hot character
Speaker 1: in this and this character just reminds me to never settle, Like,
Speaker 1: to be honest, he's so hot. Really. It's Diego from
Speaker 1: Ice Age, the Sabertooth Tiger. I know I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one. There's a strong community out there that feels
Speaker 1: this way. He is hot, he's strong, he's a bit aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he protects his family. He does. And I mean, if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen ice age hard to help you. But
Speaker 1: it's basically a mammothy, sloth and a sabertoothed tiger, all
Speaker 1: extinct animals. So Diego prehistoric wouldn't be here, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be here today, but they all Gone's little adventure to
Speaker 1: return a human baby to its family. Diego is voiced
Speaker 1: by Dennis Leary. And yeah, he's so gruff. He's like
Speaker 1: this loyal protector. I think he has a lot in
Speaker 1: common with Hugh Grant, with the whole like grumpy hot
Speaker 1: kind of vibe. Oh yeah, okay, I see that. Like
Speaker 1: if you Grant had more of like a body for hunting,
Speaker 1: I feel like, I wonder if you're just like Diego,
Speaker 1: because the other characters have zero sex appeal, the mammoth
Speaker 1: and the sloth. Maybe maybe it's a comparison thing, but
Speaker 1: so he initially works for this pack of other sabretooth tigers,
Speaker 1: and his mission is initially to retrieve the human baby
Speaker 1: and kill it as a revenge against the humans. Can't
Speaker 1: remember what the humans into them, but they're mad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably hunting them. So humans do a lot of shitty
Speaker 1: things to animals, so it probably is fair. Yeah, animals
Speaker 1: taking revenge is crazy. I know, like that really start now.
Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't really dive into that storyline
Speaker 1: in ice Age enough. I honestly kind of forgot about it,
Speaker 1: And then in researching this, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what he was doing, yeah, for revenge. But then
Speaker 1: he spends time with the mammoth and sloth, and he
Speaker 1: develops a conscience and he kind of like feels affectionately
Speaker 1: towards the baby. So the baby is really cute. The
Speaker 1: baby's really cute, and he's really character with the baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've written down hot things about him in bullet
Speaker 1: points just to you so much. So he's sarcastic in
Speaker 1: sense of humor. Yeah, you're like that, except sometimes you
Speaker 1: don't really understand sarcasm, So I don't know if that
Speaker 1: will work well with you. Is okay? Okay? He's confident, Yes,
Speaker 1: he is, like emotionally confident. He's a bit like a
Speaker 1: dark character that's like in the shadows. I think he
Speaker 1: like brings like yeah, I think you're right. He like
Speaker 1: comes out more confident. He's emotionally detached, which we all
Speaker 1: love a bit of like a bad boy, you know,
Speaker 1: but like ultimately he'll put himself on the line for
Speaker 1: his friends. This is crazinessless dry sense of humor, especially
Speaker 1: when dealing with the sloth. Oh yeah yeah, and I
Speaker 1: kind of find this hot. But this is also problematic.
Speaker 1: But he gets very defensive when anyone notices his vulnerabilities,
Speaker 1: Like he's a cat, so he's scared of water. But
Speaker 1: then when people call him out on him, he's like, no,
Speaker 1: like I'm not scared. I'm not scared. So does that okay?
Speaker 1: So a liar. I was trying to see if the
Speaker 1: writers of the show have said anything about what they
Speaker 1: intended for the character of why people find him hot.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find a credible interview where they discuss people
Speaker 1: finding him sexually attractive. But they talk a lot about
Speaker 1: the contrast, like he's meant to be this tough guy
Speaker 1: who has a lot of heart, like the gruff guy
Speaker 1: with a heart of gold. Dennis Leary, who's the guy
Speaker 1: who voiced it, He said before that Diego was based
Speaker 1: on his personality, and he said quote unquote good looking,
Speaker 1: feared by men, adored by women. Ah, well he said
Speaker 1: that about himself. Yeah, that's so allegedly it's that's something
Speaker 1: Dieger would not say though. But I do think I
Speaker 1: don't think he really understands his character. Maybe he doesn't,
Speaker 1: but I do think his voice is quite sexy, Like
Speaker 1: it's a very low sexy. Yeah. Well he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: tiger lion thing. Yeah, he really like personifies that. And
Speaker 1: I feel like he is like the quiet, mysterious guy
Speaker 1: at the bar that maybe doesn't say too much to
Speaker 1: begin with, but like the few words that he says
Speaker 1: just yeah, and he's always drinking like a whiskey, yes,
Speaker 1: an adult drink. So yeah, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it with him for me comes down to the physical.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's a tiger, but if you
Speaker 1: just tell he's in good shape, he has beautiful green eyes,
Speaker 1: he's really the I can fix him demographic judging me
Speaker 1: so much. And also if you're one of those girls
Speaker 1: who likes a maternal guy, like you see a guy
Speaker 1: like this isn't really for me, but like if you
Speaker 1: see a guy with a kid, you know how some
Speaker 1: people like to see that and they're like, oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dylf kind of has that energy. Like there's this scene
Speaker 1: where he tries to play Peek a Boo with the baby,
Speaker 1: very cute. At the end, him and the baby have
Speaker 1: a really good relationships. So like if you like that
Speaker 1: kind of like Daddy's home sort He's like the kind
Speaker 1: of dad that will like put his kid into sport
Speaker 1: immediately and then be mad if he doesn't take to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so problem. It kind of reminds me of Coach Bolton
Speaker 1: in high school musical. So that's a wild parallel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of I know, be like no no musicals.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, he loves his son.
Speaker 1: He just wants you to get you in the game. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that is my first one, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that's very long running for me since childhood. But wow,
Speaker 1: you never thought that like this would ever leave your system.
Speaker 1: He's just always been there. Yeah, He's just always been there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, doa go from Ice Age. Honestly, if you
Speaker 1: haven't watched Ice Age in a while, just watch all
Speaker 1: of them. Great movies are like a million now, there's
Speaker 1: so many. I don't even know if I've seen all
Speaker 1: of them, but the first few I'm pretty sure they're
Speaker 1: in like a phase where like they wouldn't even exist now,
Speaker 1: like because they just go through the like periods. Right,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant those characters now. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have Mammoth now. But literally, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: feel like now they're like near the dinosaur period. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were guys were kicking it
Speaker 1: during Jurassic I feel like they toy with like because also,
Speaker 1: why was the human baby out there? Yeah, they take liberty.
Speaker 1: It's very confusing, but I guess watch it fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for historical accuracy. Okay, I want to go next. My
Speaker 1: person and I want to talk about it's a person.
Speaker 1: It's a person, Yes, a live human man. We're kind
Speaker 1: of kind of if he's got like mythical powers. I
Speaker 1: would say, Okay from the Avengers, Okay, low key, Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like this. People do think this. Ah, he's
Speaker 1: so hot, so low key, and I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: first Avengers movie. He's always like a side character in
Speaker 1: the thor movies, but the Avengers movies he's like the
Speaker 1: number one villain and he is so hot. So he's
Speaker 1: like a trickster. He's the brother of Thor. He is
Speaker 1: destroying New York City. He's destroying the friendship of the Avengers,
Speaker 1: which is very very important. He's meant to be like
Speaker 1: the bad bad guy. They've also like in this movie,
Speaker 1: didn't set him up to be like hero esque or
Speaker 1: to have this like likable kind of personality. He's like
Speaker 1: more scrawny than the others. He's always wearing like black.
Speaker 1: He's got like sleek, long black hair. He's very pale.
Speaker 1: I feel like he would kind of thrive in like Melbourne,
Speaker 1: like that lengthy kind of guy. Yeah, he's got a cat,
Speaker 1: maybe more than you. He plays. Or he'd be like
Speaker 1: someone who just always goes to like the Mona Museum.
Speaker 1: He's just always he's on the fairy. He's the one
Speaker 1: who like charters people across on the fairy. He's a
Speaker 1: duck mofo dark. Myfoone would be his jam yea. So
Speaker 1: he's like the villain in the movie. He like kind
Speaker 1: of like has an okay ending in that movie, but
Speaker 1: then from there he does like other movies within the
Speaker 1: Marvel universe. I don't know if the writers expected this,
Speaker 1: but when this ended. The amount of fan fiction, both
Speaker 1: written and artworks that came just about Loki was so
Speaker 1: insane that like, since that movie, every movie he's been in,
Speaker 1: he's been more and more of a main character. And
Speaker 1: then he ended up getting quite a like redeeming story
Speaker 1: arc to the point where Marvel gave him his own
Speaker 1: spin off show called Loki and it is their most
Speaker 1: successful spinoff show from Marvel. Wow. So the fans really
Speaker 1: had an impact. Yeah, And I think it comes back
Speaker 1: to our discussion of like, if you want your movie
Speaker 1: to sell out, and make it a movie for women.
Speaker 1: And we talk about all the time how everyone thinks
Speaker 1: Marvel and like superhero movies are just for boys and men,
Speaker 1: but it's not. Every time I go there's so many
Speaker 1: women in the crowds, Like they have such a large
Speaker 1: women's fan base, and it's all these women who have
Speaker 1: made all of this like quite salacious fan fiction of him,
Speaker 1: and like with Avenger members who are also men, And
Speaker 1: it's just like one of those characters that when I
Speaker 1: watched that movie for the first time, I was like,
Speaker 1: there's something about him, and I think it's a few
Speaker 1: of the things you said, like he's deeply sarcastic, like
Speaker 1: he's the one that kind of without breaking the fourth wall,
Speaker 1: he kind of calls him out on like their like
Speaker 1: whole like we can do it, guys, if we just
Speaker 1: band together, we can save the world. And he's kind
Speaker 1: of just like, how are you talking about? Yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: are you serious? And the TV show Loki is a
Speaker 1: bit darker, so it's more like that where he's kind
Speaker 1: of like, not, well, we're just gonna die. Let's just
Speaker 1: like realize that. I feel like the lesson here is that, like,
Speaker 1: if you want to see a spin off show one
Speaker 1: of your favorite characters, start writing smut, Yes, start writing smut,
Speaker 1: and then also like your show like some to Wicker,
Speaker 1: Like Wicker was like a short story yeah, and like
Speaker 1: that just became a full movie. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: feel like so much, so much smart gets made into
Speaker 1: movies and TV shows now. I mean, fifty Shades of
Speaker 1: Gray started as Twilight. There was a whole legal thing
Speaker 1: about that cash those checks. Girls, Get in there, get
Speaker 1: out that old tumblow account, Get out with your quill
Speaker 1: in the paper. We've got some work to do. Emily
Speaker 1: fronting style. Okay, So my next one is I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna says it's controversial to find him hot because he
Speaker 1: is a leading man, and I assume they did want
Speaker 1: him to appeal to women. But he's also not really
Speaker 1: like like the typical hot guy. I feel like he's
Speaker 1: more of a dorky guy and but like, so I
Speaker 1: have reasons why he shouldn't be hot, but then he is.
Speaker 1: So it's Ted Moseby from How I Met Your Mother?
Speaker 1: Stop rolling your eyes with me. Uh, he's such a
Speaker 1: wet blanket. He has a bit of a wet blanket.
Speaker 1: So I feel like he's just because he's like a
Speaker 1: what is he an a believer?
Speaker 2: No, what you're going to say the architect actually was.
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna be believe.
Speaker 1: No. So he's definitely not written as the sexy guy. No,
Speaker 1: how about your mother. He's like really dorky, really overly romantic,
Speaker 1: and the show really leans into that, Like, obviously Barney
Speaker 1: is meant to be like the sexy one getting all
Speaker 1: the women. I also wrote a list of all the
Speaker 1: very non sexy things that he did in the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's always like, well, there's like the good guy, like Ted,
Speaker 1: you're such a good guy. Yeah, you're such a great guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're not getting a girlfriend. He
Speaker 1: got such a great personality, but he was a bit
Speaker 1: of a dick. He did have dick moments. He also
Speaker 1: has moments. So he says I love you on the
Speaker 1: first date to Robin, which I just thought was the
Speaker 1: alto Initially. He falls in love with like basically every
Speaker 1: woman who speaks to him, and he does tell everyone
Speaker 1: that he's an architect within like thirty three years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so why do you like him? So I'm getting to
Speaker 1: why I thought I was gonna have to justify why
Speaker 1: people don't find him hot. But you're like non So
Speaker 1: the reason that I find him hot more as an
Speaker 1: older person is you've actually written about this about not
Speaker 1: liking Nonchalant. He's a chalant man. Yeah, he's very chalant.
Speaker 1: You almost couldn't get more chalant. That's so true. He's
Speaker 1: a grand gesture guy. He loves a spectacle. He steals
Speaker 1: the blue French horn for Robin. That's so true. He
Speaker 1: always has these really elaborate dates. And remember when Robin
Speaker 1: was really sad and he lit up her apartment in
Speaker 1: Christmas lights and had this whole like music timed with
Speaker 1: the fairy lights thing going. He also when he was
Speaker 1: dating the single mom Stella and she was like, I
Speaker 1: don't have time for you, he made a two minute
Speaker 1: date with like heaps of different little Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I did love that episode. That was so fun. That's Schalance.
Speaker 1: He also is a very good friend, like he does
Speaker 1: this for all the women, but he also does it
Speaker 1: for all his friends like Marshall and Lily and Barney
Speaker 1: as well. Although I think I would get over him
Speaker 1: if I was dating him, like living with them and
Speaker 1: they're like engage, I'd like, move out, move out to
Speaker 1: get your own I hear an architect. I don't know architects,
Speaker 1: hold your own place, design it design, I know you can. Well.
Speaker 1: I do think being an Arctic is also kind of
Speaker 1: a hot profession because it's like design New York, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like skyscraper is like I feel like it's got that
Speaker 1: creativity but the potential to make money, which most creative
Speaker 1: jobs don't really have it. It was like the whole
Speaker 1: thing about his job is that he's constantly trying to
Speaker 1: get like these big, big like building projects, and then
Speaker 1: something always like ruins it for him. But then in
Speaker 1: the end he ends up becoming very successful. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he also becomes a professor for a while and hes
Speaker 1: a lot of try a bit of a spell the
Speaker 1: word professor. Yeah, that's a bit of a nick. But
Speaker 1: I think the professor concept is hot, like, yeah, professor,
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I also think a lot of
Speaker 1: this just comes down to the fact that I find
Speaker 1: Josh Radnor just so great and inter use the guy
Speaker 1: who plays Ted. He I feel like is Ted Mosby
Speaker 1: all the good characteristics but without all the of the
Speaker 1: that's so true. He's very low key in real life.
Speaker 1: He had like a gorgeous winter New York wedding and
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yeah, and I think that will prepar photos.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the photos were beautiful. Wait who
Speaker 1: did he marry? I don't know. Not important, not important.
Speaker 1: I think the writers as well have sort of talked
Speaker 1: about how he's that really like imperfect romantic lead, Like
Speaker 1: he's not the typical guy you know that's gonna be
Speaker 1: like the one, but he in some ways is what
Speaker 1: women want because he is very vulnerable. He's not scared
Speaker 1: to wear his heart on his sleeve. And I think
Speaker 1: the contrast with Barney does a lot for him as well.
Speaker 1: And being that's so true. He needed like a Barney
Speaker 1: to like offset him, to show that he is like
Speaker 1: the good guy of the show. And I do think
Speaker 1: like his character only works in a TV show because
Speaker 1: you have to warm to him, or in a movie
Speaker 1: absolutely not, absolutely not, you'd be like, what the hell
Speaker 1: is this loser of a guy? He'd be like the
Speaker 1: weird side character like Kirk and Gilmore Girls. He'd be
Speaker 1: like the weird look he's doing just trying to make
Speaker 1: a skyscraper. Yeah, but no, I yeah, actually you've convinced me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see your point. I don't go watch Somehow Your
Speaker 1: Mother today? No, do you love a rewatch of How
Speaker 1: I Make Your Matter? It could not be remade today.
Speaker 1: That's one of the only shows I would say that
Speaker 1: could not stand today. But it is one of those
Speaker 1: shows that I feel like really bounded for me what
Speaker 1: I saw my twenties looking like, even though they are
Speaker 1: like late twenties when it starts. But yeah, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what a good show. YEP, I should watch them.
Speaker 1: I would, but through the lens of you loving Ted Mosby,
Speaker 1: through the lens of Ted Moseby heat. Okay for my
Speaker 1: next one, you're like blushing. I feel like you're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, what the hell is wrong with you? Well,
Speaker 1: I know who it is. Yeah, okay, actually, yes, no,
Speaker 1: you will know who it is, but I don't think
Speaker 1: you'll know it from its name. Oh okay. This is
Speaker 1: a movie that, like, I watched so many times over
Speaker 1: and over again. But the first time I watched it
Speaker 1: in my like, I think I was either like eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen around that time, and I was obsessed
Speaker 1: with this character who's not the main character. His name
Speaker 1: is Mike Newton. Oh wait, from Monsters inc. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no wait, it's the one eyed green thing. You've gone silent.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's quite me. No, the big Mike
Speaker 1: from Twilight. Oh wait, the guy she goes to high
Speaker 1: school with. How I love I know. I knew you
Speaker 1: would because he's such a nothing character. He is the
Speaker 1: definition of like wet blanket dude. I think he has
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a role in the book,
Speaker 1: So Mike. When I was reading the books, Mike was
Speaker 1: a bigger character because, like I think, the first book
Speaker 1: was a lot about her making friends in high school,
Speaker 1: and she had that group of high school friends, Mike
Speaker 1: and Jessica Anna Kendrick, and he's quite simpy for her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like he's so hot. So he's played by
Speaker 1: Michael Welsh, and he's kind of like Michael Welsh is
Speaker 1: like known for Twilight, like for this role, as in
Speaker 1: he hasn't gone on to do not much. She's not
Speaker 1: some other roles, but like he's recently been like he
Speaker 1: does like all the conventions and the comic cons and stuff,
Speaker 1: like for his character in Twilight. Oh still for yees
Speaker 1: still okay, oh my god. I like, I'll get to
Speaker 1: it later, but I found it into you from him recently,
Speaker 1: still talk about Twilight. But he loves he loves the character.
Speaker 1: And when I when I read the books, I didn't
Speaker 1: think much of Mike, And when I watched the movie,
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this hot guy who actually
Speaker 1: has some color in his face, has a beating heart,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, and is like so head over heels. For Bella,
Speaker 1: she's like the new girl that comes in. She looks
Speaker 1: a bit dweeby, she's a bit dorky, she's not really
Speaker 1: talking to anyone, and he invites her into the friendship group.
Speaker 1: He wants to know more about her. He's like the
Speaker 1: jock of the high school, Like he is the popular
Speaker 1: guy in the high school. He's always wearing his football jersey.
Speaker 1: He's the one who's like telling her about who's who
Speaker 1: of the town. He's just like a really really nice guy.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, who's that And he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Cullens. They're all siblings and they all date each other.
Speaker 1: And then Edward literally looks like she smells like rotten eggs,
Speaker 1: and she's like, that's what I want. She's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I need more of that. I need more of him,
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm sitting there as like a twelve
Speaker 1: year old, going, what the hell, Bella, you had the
Speaker 1: most perfect guy next to you. I genuinely thought the
Speaker 1: way they put Mike into this movie, I generally thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna change the storyline and she'd end up
Speaker 1: with Mike. Okay, that's viit draumatic, and it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Everyone's team Edward, team Jacob, Emily, team Mike. I'm team Mike.
Speaker 1: And then he was in New Moon, and then he
Speaker 1: was I think at the end he was in Breaking
Speaker 1: Dawn Part one when they were getting married, and he
Speaker 1: was with Jessica, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I did not want him to end up with Jessica. No,
Speaker 1: I don't either. But the thing that put me off
Speaker 1: about him is that in the movie, I feel like
Speaker 1: how it came across is it she's a new girl,
Speaker 1: she doesn't know anyone. He's like, I'm in with a
Speaker 1: shut I'm just gonna like swoop in and take this vulnerable,
Speaker 1: pale thing. Yeah, but he's a relationship guy and maybe
Speaker 1: like he just wanted to see if she was like
Speaker 1: into a relationship and she was like, say, no, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get pregnant with this vampire. And he's like, oh okay, hey, Jessica,
Speaker 1: what are you doing later? And Jessica was like head
Speaker 1: over heels for him. So then they she I guess
Speaker 1: Jessica got her happy ending. It should have been me.
Speaker 1: But whatever, But I did come across an interview in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two with Michael Well, she was doing like
Speaker 1: a Twilight convention and I need to go to that.
Speaker 1: My god, you would love that. He was asked if Mike,
Speaker 1: if Mike was a vampire, what special ability do you
Speaker 1: think he would want? And he said, I think Mike
Speaker 1: would just go to a group of guys who used
Speaker 1: to bully him and tell him to like stop. But
Speaker 1: I thought he's going to be the cool job guy.
Speaker 1: Why is he getting bullied because he's sweet and he's innocent,
Speaker 1: and I think he had like I'm thinking that, like
Speaker 1: Michael thinks that Mike's like backstory was like he was
Speaker 1: like this poor kid who got bullied in the yard
Speaker 1: and then he just like was really really nice to
Speaker 1: people and really kind to people, and they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: we should stop bullying this kid because he's actually really nice.
Speaker 1: And he just became that really nice guy who's also
Speaker 1: really good at sport because he plays like he's the jock.
Speaker 1: He's like the head of their football team captain. I
Speaker 1: think that's what it's called, the captain of their football team.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's got a whole notebook of like
Speaker 1: behind the character notes and the directors just like you're
Speaker 1: not the main one. It's more about like Robert Pattinson
Speaker 1: and Taylor Lautner so annoying, and I'm like Bella could
Speaker 1: have gone to his football matches instead of keeping score
Speaker 1: at a stupid baseball game and then almost getting eaten
Speaker 1: and then almost getting killed and eaten in every movie
Speaker 1: she nearly dies. Nothing would happen. Maybe you could start
Speaker 1: some smart and get a spin off. I hope. So
Speaker 1: the older Mike, the older man, he'd be married with
Speaker 1: four kids. Now I know, I don't know anyway, I
Speaker 1: support that pick. He's attractive. So he is so attractive,
Speaker 1: but he is blonde, but like maybe he died his
Speaker 1: hair so he could fit more in with the curlrent.
Speaker 1: So Bella would like him. You have such an intense
Speaker 1: backstory for him. He's like, ah, it's me, Jasper. He
Speaker 1: feels like, I know it's not you. I'm just in
Speaker 1: the house as well. Let's go eat some bunny rabbits. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think that one's except it's better than Mike Wazowski, Like,
Speaker 1: I'll take my nute nobody. I can't believe you, like
Speaker 1: said Mike Wazowski. And you didn't even like react like
Speaker 1: you said that like that was offensive. You genuinely thought
Speaker 1: it was your type. And you're like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was embarrassing. Okay, well my is crazy. My last one.
Speaker 1: I kind of saved like the sexiest bad boy for
Speaker 1: last that A lot of people feel this way about.
Speaker 1: And I would say, this is like the first time
Speaker 1: that I felt attracted to anything. Like It's when I
Speaker 1: learned what sort of like having a crush and like
Speaker 1: fighting someone hot was like when I the first movie
Speaker 1: I saw in the cinema was Finding Nemo. I know
Speaker 1: exactly who you're gonna say, Yeah, and I just I
Speaker 1: always thought about well, I thought it was an Angelfish
Speaker 1: at the time, but apparently he's a Moorish idol. That's suspecion.
Speaker 1: You know what angelfish is. Yeah, it's not that. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's like the complete opposite. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: Moorish idol named Gil also an online internet sensation. He
Speaker 1: is hot. He is really hot because he has that scar.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I watched it, I was like,
Speaker 1: why do I just keep wanting to spend time with you?
Speaker 1: That was so convinced thinking. So for anyone who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: he's the tough leader in the fish tank when they're
Speaker 1: all trapped at the dentist in Sydney, actually in Australia,
Speaker 1: they're at a dentist. They're all in this dentist aquarium.
Speaker 1: Forty four Wallabee Way, Sydney, p Sham and forty two
Speaker 1: Willaby way Sydney. Yeah, they say it all throughout the film,
Speaker 1: and they start masterminding ways to get out of the tank.
Speaker 1: So he's really like the leader. I feel like he
Speaker 1: takes charge. He's like an older fish. He's the most
Speaker 1: experienced member of the gang, and he has got a
Speaker 1: scar on his face and a damaged finn from previous
Speaker 1: escape attempts. Oh yeah, that's right, So he's got like
Speaker 1: a bit of a tragic backstory. To me, I just
Speaker 1: feel like he's really intelligent. He's strategic, he's coming up
Speaker 1: with the escape plans. He's also like an og brooding man.
Speaker 1: Maybe don't og, but like he's a brooding man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been through some shit, you can tell ye. He's
Speaker 1: had like a troubled past. And he's also very encouraging.
Speaker 1: So I think the hottest scene is when he tells
Speaker 1: Nemo so hot. I don't even know if I could
Speaker 1: talk about, but like when he tells Nemo to take
Speaker 1: this little rock and swim up the tube because he's
Speaker 1: small enough and wed to the rock in the shutter
Speaker 1: so that the tank starts getting dirty and they'll have
Speaker 1: to take the fish out to clean the tank. And
Speaker 1: the first few times Nemo is like failing, and he's
Speaker 1: so encouraging. He's like, it's a very dangerous task because
Speaker 1: he could like get stuck in the tube or he
Speaker 1: could like damage his like fin in the like filter thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he could he could get cut, Like so much
Speaker 1: could happen. And you know Gil knows that stuff because
Speaker 1: he's had injuries. And he's just so encouraging. He's like,
Speaker 1: you got the shark bake, you can just shut shark bake,
Speaker 1: shark bait, you can do this, And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he could low key be a little bit controlling. Shark
Speaker 1: bait is like a very I think that's quite a
Speaker 1: derogatory term for a fish. Yeah, it's not good. It's like, say,
Speaker 1: that's quite mean. But they're all shark bait. I wonder
Speaker 1: if Nima's like, I'm the only one who can do
Speaker 1: this task because I'm small enough, and yet you're being
Speaker 1: really mean to me. Can I please get a new nickname?
Speaker 2: Nah?
Speaker 1: In the movie, he's like, yeah, I can do it.
Speaker 1: How can they go? So The character is also voiced
Speaker 1: by Willem Dafoe, who also plays the Green Goblin is
Speaker 1: a will who does Gil wow and so he is
Speaker 1: the like Ogi Live Action Green Goblin, and then also
Speaker 1: in like Spider Man in No Way Home, he's also
Speaker 1: like an og villain, like he always plays the villain
Speaker 1: and he's the vampire expert in Nosferatu. Yes well, yes so,
Speaker 1: And apparently the fish its face was very much designed
Speaker 1: to sort of reflect him, like his wrinkles and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So but then when I'm looking at him,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't find you hot just as
Speaker 1: a fish. I don't know if you watch Will enough,
Speaker 1: if you'll find him hot. Maybe we need to watch
Speaker 1: him more. But when I think of Gil, I sort
Speaker 1: of think he's got the aesthetic of like a sort
Speaker 1: of like a divorced dad who's like a rock star.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he rides a motorbike. And he's not
Speaker 1: the guy you end up with, but he's a guy
Speaker 1: that you like, have a wild summer and all your
Speaker 1: friends talk about it for years to come. That's like
Speaker 1: when you hung out with that guy. He reminds me
Speaker 1: of the dad in Margo's Got Money Troubles, the one
Speaker 1: that plays Yes, that is a great comparison. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: his personality. He does remind me of him, And he's
Speaker 1: like his idea works in the end, so he is
Speaker 1: a fair leader. Here's the brains of the operation. The
Speaker 1: Internet has really gone wild with this fish, Like there
Speaker 1: are compilations on YouTube of like eight minutes of Gill
Speaker 1: being hot for for Gill being hot for eight minutes straight.
Speaker 1: The internet has no chill no, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like Daddy's Home edits, a lot of fan edits.
Speaker 1: So I mean, honestly, if there was ever a contender
Speaker 1: for a spin off, I feel like I know Pixar
Speaker 1: hear us poor Marlon. No, actually, you could have that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, like you know that movie Crazy Stupid Love.
Speaker 1: Gil could be Ryan Gosling and Marlon could be Stee
Speaker 1: Grell and he could take him under his fin and
Speaker 1: sort of show him how to dress smart and chat
Speaker 1: up all the other like sexy fish. That means Gil
Speaker 1: will date Nemo. Yeah. That we don't need to follow
Speaker 1: it exactly. We'll leave it there. Okay, Okay, My next
Speaker 1: person I want to talk about is from a TV
Speaker 1: show that's quite recent, The Bear. Okay, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about Richie. Have you watched the No, yes,
Speaker 1: you tell me who rich is. Richie is played by
Speaker 1: Evan mass Backrack, who LB interviewed for Fantastic Four. Yes,
Speaker 1: I do know him. He is like the epitome of
Speaker 1: hot guy I want to date. And this TV show
Speaker 1: his whole character arc in all of the seasons of
Speaker 1: The Bear, which has now finished. You can watch the
Speaker 1: whole thing now you can binge it on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: Here's like character arc was like one of the most
Speaker 1: beautiful character arcs I've seen so quick overview if you're
Speaker 1: not familiar with The Bear. It stars Jeremy Allen White
Speaker 1: and Iowa Derberry. They're the two main leads. He plays
Speaker 1: a guy named Kami who is a top tier international,
Speaker 1: really young chef, like very talented chef. He returns back
Speaker 1: home to Chicago to run his family sandwich shop after
Speaker 1: his brother Mikey passes away. And then Iowa Derberry plays
Speaker 1: this girl named Sidney, who is also a chef, has
Speaker 1: been a longtime big fan of Kami and wants to
Speaker 1: work with him, so then he employs her and they
Speaker 1: work together, and then the whole show was about the
Speaker 1: two of them being these top tier chefs wanting to
Speaker 1: transform the sandwich shop into this Michelin Star award winning
Speaker 1: restaurant for sandwiches for like they turn it into a restaurant,
Speaker 1: like fine dining restaurant, and it's all about The cast
Speaker 1: is very tight knit. Everyone who worked at the sandwich
Speaker 1: shop is also working now at the fine dining and
Speaker 1: they're getting all this different training. The way Evan comes in.
Speaker 1: He plays Richie, who is Kami's cousin but not blood related,
Speaker 1: Like he's just a very very close family friend, like
Speaker 1: he is part of the family, and he is like
Speaker 1: kind of the through storyline from the beginning to when
Speaker 1: the show starts, because he was best friends with Mikey,
Speaker 1: Kami's brother who passed away. So he's like that existing
Speaker 1: person who doesn't want anything to change, who tells Kami, like,
Speaker 1: you're not respecting your brother's wishes, You're changing everything. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't like that. And he's also in the beginning he
Speaker 1: comes across as a very aggressive, highly anxious person who's
Speaker 1: like just very very loud, gets very very upset very easily,
Speaker 1: and then he becomes like this top tier like waiter
Speaker 1: in the restaurant. Carmi sent him off to get professionally trained.
Speaker 1: He had like this one episode just about him that
Speaker 1: was like a spinoff on how he got professionally trained
Speaker 1: as a high like fine dining waiter and Olivia Colemans
Speaker 1: in that episode, and it's beautifully done. It's amazing. And
Speaker 1: he has like a really really beautiful ending as well.
Speaker 1: I won't spoil it if you haven't watched it, but
Speaker 1: he has like a very satisfying ending, and throughout the
Speaker 1: show you find out that he's had such a troubled
Speaker 1: pass like losing his best friend Mikey had done so
Speaker 1: much damage to him. His wife also ended their relationship,
Speaker 1: and he's also has like a daughter, and he was
Speaker 1: just one of those characters that like he has that
Speaker 1: like rugged, like dirty look, but like so so lovable
Speaker 1: and his person and he's like got all these tattoos
Speaker 1: and personality, like you wouldn't expect it from the way
Speaker 1: he looks. And I just love those kind of characters.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the common trope of everyone we've
Speaker 1: talked about. It's like that dual side of your bruff
Speaker 1: and you're a little bit like, oh, but then it's
Speaker 1: also of this heart of gold inside yeah, and then
Speaker 1: like I think also what I really liked about his
Speaker 1: character is that he was very much in the beginning
Speaker 1: like very much like I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm just angry. I'm just gonna be this angry, like
Speaker 1: stressed out guy. And then you slowly see him fall
Speaker 1: in love with the art of like service and the
Speaker 1: art of being like the lead server and like showing guests.
Speaker 1: And he's such like a people person because that was
Speaker 1: what his role was when Mikey had the sandwich shop,
Speaker 1: was like he was the one at the counter who
Speaker 1: was like taking orders and talking to people and knew
Speaker 1: every like all the customers by their first name, and
Speaker 1: he like brought that into the restaurant. And it happens
Speaker 1: very very slowly. And because the Bear was like such
Speaker 1: a slow release, like there were years in between each
Speaker 1: season seeing it like so slow like slowly happen, you
Speaker 1: don't really see it until you. I went back and
Speaker 1: watched some of the first few seasons, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's changed so much, Like they put
Speaker 1: so much consideration into his character and his arc, and
Speaker 1: I feel like with these side characters we don't really
Speaker 1: get as much. Like Io Deerberry and Jeremy Allen White's
Speaker 1: character are the two main characters of the show, but
Speaker 1: you see and been like slowly creeping in as like
Speaker 1: part of the main character between both of them as well.
Speaker 1: And it's like that's what I really love about these
Speaker 1: big full cast shows where it's a huge ensemble cast,
Speaker 1: but like each one has a dedicated, like single storyline
Speaker 1: throughout the bigger picture. Yeah, and is your love language
Speaker 1: acts of service?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: It is aligned. Wow, I didn't even put it together.
Speaker 1: And I feel like Mike Newton would also be an
Speaker 1: acts of service guy. He would be of service guy
Speaker 1: and low key acts of disservice. They're initiative takers, they're
Speaker 1: running threat, they do things. Okay, no, he's it's like
Speaker 1: a good pick. Oh my god, he's so good. But also,
Speaker 1: if you haven't watched The Bear, it's like over now,
Speaker 1: so you can binge watch the entire series without these
Speaker 1: like big two year waiting gaps. Yeah, I don't like
Speaker 1: to wait, and I think you really like them. Bit
Speaker 1: you will get really anxious. Actually maybe not. It is
Speaker 1: a highly like stressful watch. Yeah, but I would just
Speaker 1: watch Gray's Anatomy. That's quite stressful. Yeah, you'll be fine
Speaker 1: again and you can watch it at a severance, you know,
Speaker 1: all stressful. So anyway, those were all our like controversial
Speaker 1: hot picks. Oh my god. After watching Wicker, which it
Speaker 1: all comes back to the Graham so excited to see
Speaker 1: that movie. I feel like those were very considered picks
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, like I feel good about yours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: none of yours shocked me. I was shocked when I
Speaker 1: thought you were saying Mike from Monster Zinc. But I've
Speaker 1: recovered every time. I don't think you were shocked enough
Speaker 1: to be honest, like you should have been like why
Speaker 1: did you pick that? But you kind of was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: people can want what they want. Oh my god. But
Speaker 1: thanks so much for listening to the Spill today. Guys.
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