1 00:00:10,829 --> 00:00:13,869 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a mother Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,829 --> 00:00:17,869 Speaker 2: Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and 3 00:00:17,949 --> 00:00:21,949 Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on monotonous. 4 00:00:22,549 --> 00:00:29,949 Speaker 1: It's like unique, hungry, emotional and amazing. 5 00:00:39,509 --> 00:00:43,229 Speaker 2: The baby Bubble with Claire and Jesse Stevens. It's definitely 6 00:00:43,269 --> 00:00:48,989 Speaker 2: not a parenting advice podcast. Claire. Our birthday, December twenty one. 7 00:00:49,709 --> 00:00:53,309 Speaker 2: I've never organized anything for it. Don't enjoy celebrating my birthday. 8 00:00:53,349 --> 00:00:55,869 Speaker 2: Certainly wouldn't be thinking about it in what are we in, 9 00:00:56,069 --> 00:00:59,069 Speaker 2: like August September, I would not be thinking about it right. 10 00:01:00,469 --> 00:01:04,989 Speaker 2: But this year I'm very organized. We have a standing 11 00:01:05,429 --> 00:01:08,269 Speaker 2: reservation on our birthday, and the reason is that it 12 00:01:08,349 --> 00:01:11,709 Speaker 2: is Matilda's first birthday. And I went rogue and bought 13 00:01:11,789 --> 00:01:15,589 Speaker 2: us all tickets to the Wiggles. Me you, Luna, Matilda, 14 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:19,909 Speaker 2: mum girl's day out. Maybe cocktails for us. We're going 15 00:01:20,349 --> 00:01:23,429 Speaker 2: to the Wiggles. Luna's going to be in the mosh pit. 16 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:26,709 Speaker 2: He is gonna be head banging. What do you think 17 00:01:26,749 --> 00:01:31,589 Speaker 2: about the Wiggles concept? Half potato, hot potato, last potato, 18 00:01:31,709 --> 00:01:35,389 Speaker 2: half potato. I am so excited. All we do is 19 00:01:35,469 --> 00:01:37,789 Speaker 2: listen to the Wiggles. Yeah, because you know you've got 20 00:01:37,829 --> 00:01:39,269 Speaker 2: to do that with an album before you go to 21 00:01:39,309 --> 00:01:41,509 Speaker 2: a concert. Is you're like, oh, listen to like Harry 22 00:01:41,509 --> 00:01:43,349 Speaker 2: Styles or like Taylor, I'll listen to all the songs. 23 00:01:43,389 --> 00:01:47,589 Speaker 2: It's like you want to get across the discoorography. Yeah, 24 00:01:47,629 --> 00:01:49,509 Speaker 2: of the Wiggles because there's been a lot of eras, 25 00:01:49,549 --> 00:01:52,149 Speaker 2: and I'm like, are we going propeller yeah? Or are 26 00:01:52,189 --> 00:01:53,109 Speaker 2: we going rock a bye? 27 00:01:53,829 --> 00:01:54,109 Speaker 1: Yeah? Do? 28 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:57,309 Speaker 2: And are we dressing up? Is the other big question 29 00:01:57,629 --> 00:02:00,509 Speaker 2: because I think if we were to dress up, Matilda 30 00:02:00,509 --> 00:02:02,109 Speaker 2: would have to go is skinn a marink? 31 00:02:02,349 --> 00:02:02,549 Speaker 1: Yeah? 32 00:02:02,589 --> 00:02:04,509 Speaker 2: But I don't think we know what a skinn marink is. No, 33 00:02:04,709 --> 00:02:07,469 Speaker 2: but Matilda is skinner marinky dinky do Yeah. 34 00:02:07,589 --> 00:02:07,789 Speaker 1: Yeah. 35 00:02:07,869 --> 00:02:09,709 Speaker 2: And they're just gonna lose it because they're gonna go 36 00:02:09,909 --> 00:02:12,509 Speaker 2: not all these songs. Luna does a weird little dance. 37 00:02:12,669 --> 00:02:15,429 Speaker 2: She does it. She does this little head wobble thing 38 00:02:15,549 --> 00:02:20,429 Speaker 2: like it's terribly uncoordinated. But at the Wiggles concept, Yeah, 39 00:02:20,509 --> 00:02:24,389 Speaker 2: what's going to emerge with the girls? Yeah, and this 40 00:02:24,509 --> 00:02:27,709 Speaker 2: is kind of an ongoing theme with them, is that 41 00:02:27,869 --> 00:02:31,949 Speaker 2: with children? Yeah, you either have a Luna or you 42 00:02:32,029 --> 00:02:34,509 Speaker 2: have a Matilda. Oh should I be offended? And they're 43 00:02:34,549 --> 00:02:37,429 Speaker 2: two different types of children, Okay, and at the Wiggles 44 00:02:37,429 --> 00:02:39,509 Speaker 2: because there are only two different types of there's only 45 00:02:39,549 --> 00:02:42,549 Speaker 2: two different to Yeah, yeah, you get one or the other. Luna, Yeah, 46 00:02:42,869 --> 00:02:45,229 Speaker 2: she'll love it, but she'll be shy about it. But 47 00:02:45,349 --> 00:02:48,909 Speaker 2: she'll be shy about it. She'll she'll be holding onto 48 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:51,989 Speaker 2: me the whole time and enjoying it. But just like 49 00:02:52,149 --> 00:02:55,869 Speaker 2: she's not quite qui adventurous, yeah, quiet, like she like 50 00:02:56,229 --> 00:02:58,349 Speaker 2: her joy is not written all over her face no, 51 00:02:58,909 --> 00:03:03,549 Speaker 2: whereas Matilda will be losing her mind. Do you think 52 00:03:03,589 --> 00:03:06,509 Speaker 2: she'll be escorted out? Yeah for having too much energy? 53 00:03:06,869 --> 00:03:09,549 Speaker 2: I think like for yelling. You know those really annoying 54 00:03:09,589 --> 00:03:12,229 Speaker 2: people that sing over the lyrics and it's like, we're 55 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:17,149 Speaker 2: not here to hear you Angelica, We're here to hear Anthony. Yeah, 56 00:03:17,229 --> 00:03:20,949 Speaker 2: your hot potato. That's gonna be Matilda can't talk yet, 57 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:23,629 Speaker 2: but that will be her. She'll be squealing, she'll squawk, 58 00:03:23,749 --> 00:03:26,269 Speaker 2: she'll squawk with excitement. And Luna's there for the lyrics, 59 00:03:26,749 --> 00:03:29,149 Speaker 2: the lyrical meaning that kind of speaks to her heart. 60 00:03:29,269 --> 00:03:32,589 Speaker 2: She's like, I need to listen to the arc of 61 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:35,549 Speaker 2: Follow the Leader. Yeah, yeah, and I missed that man 62 00:03:35,669 --> 00:03:38,549 Speaker 2: and I missed it because you were squawking Matilda. So true. 63 00:03:39,749 --> 00:03:42,909 Speaker 2: Our guest this week is Jess Harris, actor, director and writer. 64 00:03:43,149 --> 00:03:46,109 Speaker 2: You've seen her pop up places like Spicks and Specks, 65 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:48,989 Speaker 2: on stage during her stand up show with her sister 66 00:03:49,109 --> 00:03:54,829 Speaker 2: Nat and starring in her own original series Twenty Somethings. Today, though, 67 00:03:55,109 --> 00:03:59,709 Speaker 2: Jess is with us for the Baby Bubble. Jess, first up, 68 00:04:00,349 --> 00:04:04,789 Speaker 2: how old is your baby now? And please describe his vibe? 69 00:04:05,149 --> 00:04:09,749 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, he's two and half, Louis, he's vibe. Wow, 70 00:04:09,789 --> 00:04:13,629 Speaker 1: he's chatty. Yeah, loves to talk, go go go, I 71 00:04:13,709 --> 00:04:17,869 Speaker 1: think all toddlers are, but like loves going on adventures, 72 00:04:18,509 --> 00:04:24,149 Speaker 1: reads a lot, a lot. Yeah, he's great. He's so 73 00:04:24,229 --> 00:04:28,109 Speaker 1: much fun. He's just up for adventures. We're always on 74 00:04:28,149 --> 00:04:28,269 Speaker 1: the go. 75 00:04:28,949 --> 00:04:33,749 Speaker 2: One thing that has surprised both of us is books 76 00:04:33,989 --> 00:04:36,549 Speaker 2: and the world of kids books and how quickly you 77 00:04:36,669 --> 00:04:40,589 Speaker 2: really get deep into it. Like, with all due respect, 78 00:04:40,829 --> 00:04:44,029 Speaker 2: Matilda cannot read. She doesn't even know what a page is. 79 00:04:44,149 --> 00:04:46,789 Speaker 2: She's often trying to put the corners of it into 80 00:04:46,829 --> 00:04:50,029 Speaker 2: her mouth. But yeah, Luna is the same, and they 81 00:04:50,069 --> 00:04:53,589 Speaker 2: can't read. What is on your current rotation of books? 82 00:04:53,909 --> 00:04:56,109 Speaker 1: To just sort of give you an example of how 83 00:04:56,109 --> 00:04:58,229 Speaker 1: many books I go through a week. We're away at 84 00:04:58,269 --> 00:05:01,989 Speaker 1: the moment, and we've been away for five days, and 85 00:05:02,029 --> 00:05:05,469 Speaker 1: we've been to the local library twice already. I've gotten 86 00:05:05,469 --> 00:05:08,389 Speaker 1: out two loads of books, like you can get a 87 00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:11,349 Speaker 1: max of ten books. We turned it through the first ten, 88 00:05:11,869 --> 00:05:15,669 Speaker 1: like I read each of them maybe twenty times, and 89 00:05:15,709 --> 00:05:18,109 Speaker 1: then we returned them, and then we got another whole 90 00:05:18,629 --> 00:05:20,669 Speaker 1: fresh load of books. We go to the library and he 91 00:05:20,709 --> 00:05:23,189 Speaker 1: returns and me, He's like, let's get some fresh books, mum. 92 00:05:24,309 --> 00:05:26,669 Speaker 2: And is he in it for the narrative, like does 93 00:05:26,709 --> 00:05:28,669 Speaker 2: he love a narrative arc? Or is he in it 94 00:05:28,789 --> 00:05:32,349 Speaker 2: for the picture pictures? Like what's his kind of interest area? 95 00:05:33,509 --> 00:05:37,509 Speaker 1: All of it? Loves a good story, loves anything around animals, 96 00:05:37,509 --> 00:05:41,469 Speaker 1: which most like kids books, are all around animals. There's 97 00:05:41,469 --> 00:05:43,909 Speaker 1: a lot of recurring themes I've noticed because I've read 98 00:05:44,029 --> 00:05:48,589 Speaker 1: so many now. There's a lot about zoos, animals escaping 99 00:05:48,629 --> 00:05:53,709 Speaker 1: from the zoo, pets unlikely, duos, unlikely friendships like bears 100 00:05:53,709 --> 00:05:56,749 Speaker 1: that are friends with squirrels but they bond over building 101 00:05:56,749 --> 00:06:00,389 Speaker 1: a boat, and animals like are in clothes and living 102 00:06:00,389 --> 00:06:03,989 Speaker 1: little houses, like I saw a book with a dolphin 103 00:06:04,069 --> 00:06:06,029 Speaker 1: wearing goggles the other day. 104 00:06:06,189 --> 00:06:09,709 Speaker 2: You know that's going to confuse him, Like you're trying 105 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:11,309 Speaker 2: to teach him about the world and he thinks it 106 00:06:11,389 --> 00:06:13,589 Speaker 2: dolphins wear goggles. Like, I just feel as though, is 107 00:06:13,629 --> 00:06:14,549 Speaker 2: that a priority? 108 00:06:14,789 --> 00:06:16,909 Speaker 1: Well, that's it. That's the thing where you sort of 109 00:06:16,909 --> 00:06:19,189 Speaker 1: deep dive into some of the themes of these books and 110 00:06:19,229 --> 00:06:22,909 Speaker 1: you're like, some of them, are they giving a good message? Yeah, 111 00:06:22,949 --> 00:06:27,789 Speaker 1: and it's setting up a completely unrealistic world where like 112 00:06:28,069 --> 00:06:31,069 Speaker 1: Rita's Rhino is a bit of a hit at the moment. Yeah, 113 00:06:31,189 --> 00:06:35,109 Speaker 1: And she steals a rhino from the zoo, walks it home, 114 00:06:35,389 --> 00:06:37,509 Speaker 1: takes it up in the elevator and it's her pet. 115 00:06:37,949 --> 00:06:42,349 Speaker 1: And Rita mistreats this rhino, like she horn in the 116 00:06:42,389 --> 00:06:45,149 Speaker 1: ground to keep it still while she goes. 117 00:06:46,869 --> 00:06:47,789 Speaker 3: And stop. 118 00:06:48,029 --> 00:06:51,069 Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, reader's not really respecting this rhino, 119 00:06:51,269 --> 00:06:51,989 Speaker 1: is she. You know. 120 00:06:53,989 --> 00:06:57,149 Speaker 2: That actually explains a lot because our parents are teachers, 121 00:06:57,149 --> 00:06:59,669 Speaker 2: and our mother was on an excursion at the zoo 122 00:06:59,709 --> 00:07:01,829 Speaker 2: and a kid stole a penguin and it's like maybe 123 00:07:01,869 --> 00:07:05,789 Speaker 2: he just read Readsa the Rhino and there was a 124 00:07:05,989 --> 00:07:08,509 Speaker 2: message in that. There was a didactic message, So do 125 00:07:08,549 --> 00:07:11,109 Speaker 2: you find that off you have to kind of stop 126 00:07:11,149 --> 00:07:14,509 Speaker 2: and go. All right, So if we were to take 127 00:07:14,509 --> 00:07:18,229 Speaker 2: a rhino from the zoo, we wouldn't trap them in 128 00:07:18,349 --> 00:07:19,669 Speaker 2: such an inhumane way. 129 00:07:19,789 --> 00:07:22,229 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's already talked about taking an elephant from 130 00:07:22,269 --> 00:07:24,349 Speaker 1: the zoo now, so I think I'm gonna have to 131 00:07:24,349 --> 00:07:26,029 Speaker 1: put a pause on Read's rhino because we're at the 132 00:07:26,069 --> 00:07:29,029 Speaker 1: zoo a lot, and that could be on his list 133 00:07:29,029 --> 00:07:31,389 Speaker 1: of things to do. But yeah, sometimes they do a 134 00:07:31,389 --> 00:07:34,389 Speaker 1: little bit. But then like sometimes the good books wrap 135 00:07:34,509 --> 00:07:38,149 Speaker 1: up the message for you, and then others that I 136 00:07:38,189 --> 00:07:40,829 Speaker 1: feel leave it a little bit wide open. I bring 137 00:07:40,869 --> 00:07:43,029 Speaker 1: my own little message to it. Because I work in 138 00:07:43,709 --> 00:07:48,469 Speaker 1: story creating fake worlds and writing stories and like script editing, 139 00:07:48,829 --> 00:07:51,189 Speaker 1: it's hard to turn that mind off. And I'm reading 140 00:07:51,469 --> 00:07:55,829 Speaker 1: the books. Okay, spots of boring lead, you know, how 141 00:07:55,869 --> 00:07:58,829 Speaker 1: can we make spot a more interesting lead? Like what 142 00:07:58,869 --> 00:08:01,589 Speaker 1: are the bee characters doing? What's the archaic? 143 00:08:01,789 --> 00:08:05,749 Speaker 2: Where's the b plot? Because I will say that I'm 144 00:08:05,789 --> 00:08:11,029 Speaker 2: a big reader personally, love a good novel, and sometimes 145 00:08:11,069 --> 00:08:15,029 Speaker 2: I am disappointed in a children's book. So recently I 146 00:08:16,109 --> 00:08:18,749 Speaker 2: read a lot to Matilda. And we've got books about 147 00:08:18,749 --> 00:08:22,989 Speaker 2: fairies and unicorns and they're just beautiful. But I'm disappointed, 148 00:08:23,029 --> 00:08:25,309 Speaker 2: and I really hope that the author of this is 149 00:08:25,349 --> 00:08:28,429 Speaker 2: not listening. I'm disappointed in Greg. And the reason I'm 150 00:08:28,429 --> 00:08:32,149 Speaker 2: disappointed in Greg is because it just doesn't have the 151 00:08:32,269 --> 00:08:34,909 Speaker 2: arc that I need. And it's all about Greg, like 152 00:08:35,149 --> 00:08:38,389 Speaker 2: finding a house, and then the last button is like 153 00:08:38,709 --> 00:08:42,229 Speaker 2: and he needs a letterbox, and I'm like, that's not 154 00:08:42,789 --> 00:08:45,389 Speaker 2: I don't know where the lesson is. Yeah, I don't. 155 00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:47,989 Speaker 2: I have steaks, aren't hei? And I have questions about Greg. 156 00:08:48,269 --> 00:08:51,189 Speaker 2: I have questions about why he looks like that. Do 157 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:54,549 Speaker 2: you have any books where you really would like to 158 00:08:54,549 --> 00:08:56,709 Speaker 2: give some feedback to the author, ones that. 159 00:08:56,669 --> 00:09:00,029 Speaker 1: Are really popular, which I'm sure you two have been 160 00:09:00,069 --> 00:09:03,589 Speaker 1: given the green Sheet? Where's the green sheet? Oh? Yes, yes, yes, 161 00:09:03,869 --> 00:09:09,349 Speaker 1: I mean that's a stone of comedy that he's made 162 00:09:09,389 --> 00:09:13,829 Speaker 1: everyone worried about him, and yeah, everyone's just on this mission. 163 00:09:13,869 --> 00:09:16,229 Speaker 1: If that was a film, as me and my partner 164 00:09:16,309 --> 00:09:18,109 Speaker 1: talk about how it probably would be like a Judd 165 00:09:18,149 --> 00:09:22,509 Speaker 1: Apatow film, maybe Seth Rogan plays green She yes, I 166 00:09:22,549 --> 00:09:27,189 Speaker 1: think a problematic story. Often the old ones, the really 167 00:09:27,229 --> 00:09:30,909 Speaker 1: old ones, and Pinocchio came up, like we got given 168 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:32,549 Speaker 1: a whole lot of books I didn't really go out 169 00:09:32,549 --> 00:09:34,469 Speaker 1: and pick my library. We just got given a whole 170 00:09:34,469 --> 00:09:38,749 Speaker 1: lot of hand me downs. You're familiar with Pinocchio, Yeah. 171 00:09:37,389 --> 00:09:42,149 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just now considering that it may be problematic. 172 00:09:42,349 --> 00:09:45,069 Speaker 2: What are your concerns with Pinocchio? Seems a little bit 173 00:09:45,149 --> 00:09:49,869 Speaker 2: phallic now I'm thinking of it. Oh my goodness. But anyway, 174 00:09:51,069 --> 00:09:51,789 Speaker 2: my little. 175 00:09:54,149 --> 00:09:57,109 Speaker 1: Is Yeah, I hadn't thought of that element. So that's 176 00:09:57,109 --> 00:10:00,269 Speaker 1: bringing a whole new conversation which we can unpack. But 177 00:10:00,269 --> 00:10:05,269 Speaker 1: how long have we got Pinocchio goes to a naughty 178 00:10:05,309 --> 00:10:09,749 Speaker 1: boy island. Strong bowler's wagon comes through town, steals all 179 00:10:09,789 --> 00:10:14,589 Speaker 1: these young boys and takes them to Pleasure Island, where 180 00:10:14,589 --> 00:10:19,429 Speaker 1: there are no adults and no rules, and if they're naughty, 181 00:10:19,629 --> 00:10:20,949 Speaker 1: they turn into donkeys. 182 00:10:21,309 --> 00:10:24,429 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, now I know about. 183 00:10:24,189 --> 00:10:27,749 Speaker 1: You, but there's some trigger stuff going on here. Pleasure Island, 184 00:10:28,549 --> 00:10:32,429 Speaker 1: wagon full of stolen boys. It's not sitting right with me. 185 00:10:32,509 --> 00:10:35,909 Speaker 2: It's feeling a bit Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, and that might 186 00:10:35,949 --> 00:10:38,309 Speaker 2: it might have drawn from that, And I wonder if too. 187 00:10:39,109 --> 00:10:42,869 Speaker 2: The nose is discriminatory and defensive to people with large noses, 188 00:10:43,349 --> 00:10:46,829 Speaker 2: which is one of your biggest issues. Have you read 189 00:10:46,829 --> 00:10:47,869 Speaker 2: the very hungry caterpillar. 190 00:10:48,349 --> 00:10:50,869 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, that's another one that's on the list 191 00:10:50,949 --> 00:10:54,789 Speaker 1: of like bringing up sort of healthy relationships with eating. 192 00:10:54,829 --> 00:10:57,309 Speaker 2: You know, it needs a trigger warning, a binge eating, 193 00:10:57,669 --> 00:11:02,309 Speaker 2: you know, if you struggle disorder. So I have to 194 00:11:02,349 --> 00:11:04,509 Speaker 2: give Matilda a bit of a disclaimer. I'm like, you know, 195 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:06,629 Speaker 2: the caterpillar ate all these things, and then I look 196 00:11:06,629 --> 00:11:08,749 Speaker 2: at her and I'm like, you can eat whatever you 197 00:11:08,829 --> 00:11:11,109 Speaker 2: feel like in your body that you want. If you 198 00:11:11,149 --> 00:11:13,469 Speaker 2: wanted all these things, I'm happy for you to eat them, 199 00:11:13,509 --> 00:11:15,869 Speaker 2: but we're not going to shame you. Like apparently we're 200 00:11:15,909 --> 00:11:19,229 Speaker 2: shaming a bloody caterpillars. Poor caterpillar, you don't need to 201 00:11:19,229 --> 00:11:21,549 Speaker 2: build a cocoon. Do you have any other eights? K 202 00:11:21,749 --> 00:11:24,069 Speaker 2: do you have any other feedback for the very hungry caterpillar? 203 00:11:24,269 --> 00:11:26,229 Speaker 1: I want to know what's going on to the caterpillar. 204 00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:28,189 Speaker 1: I'm concerned about it. Why is it have all of 205 00:11:28,229 --> 00:11:31,229 Speaker 1: a sudden this day where it panic eats a whole 206 00:11:31,229 --> 00:11:33,029 Speaker 1: lot of food? You know, that's to me when I 207 00:11:33,069 --> 00:11:35,149 Speaker 1: read that, that's really sticks out to me. So if 208 00:11:35,149 --> 00:11:37,229 Speaker 1: I was to pick that apart, I'd look at that, Yeah, 209 00:11:37,269 --> 00:11:39,229 Speaker 1: and then just the whole one green leaf and all 210 00:11:39,269 --> 00:11:41,629 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know we're back. This denial going 211 00:11:41,669 --> 00:11:44,429 Speaker 1: on there. Yeah, there's some big things. 212 00:11:44,149 --> 00:11:47,469 Speaker 2: There's extremes. I wanted to ask you too, because I 213 00:11:47,869 --> 00:11:49,989 Speaker 2: think I've said on this show before. I'm really concerned 214 00:11:49,989 --> 00:11:54,309 Speaker 2: about the ratio of giraffes to children's books because giraffes 215 00:11:54,469 --> 00:11:58,669 Speaker 2: don't come up a lot in real life, and according 216 00:11:58,829 --> 00:12:02,149 Speaker 2: to Luna, they're about sixty percent of her books. And 217 00:12:02,189 --> 00:12:04,469 Speaker 2: according to Luna, her best friend is a jural, her 218 00:12:04,469 --> 00:12:07,189 Speaker 2: best friend is a giraffe. It's her favorite book. Why 219 00:12:07,229 --> 00:12:10,429 Speaker 2: do you think that there are so many animal in 220 00:12:10,469 --> 00:12:13,949 Speaker 2: all our books? Given that like a lion easy to avoid. 221 00:12:14,469 --> 00:12:16,789 Speaker 2: Someone's probably never going to see a lion. 222 00:12:16,669 --> 00:12:18,989 Speaker 1: Exactly, But the majority of his life at the moment 223 00:12:19,029 --> 00:12:27,309 Speaker 1: is literally stories about lions, tigers, bears, whales, snails, pigs. 224 00:12:27,949 --> 00:12:32,109 Speaker 1: That's more of his community than real people. I don't 225 00:12:32,149 --> 00:12:34,709 Speaker 1: think it's a way in which too. I don't know, 226 00:12:35,389 --> 00:12:40,189 Speaker 1: like because if it's a human, it's boring, but if 227 00:12:40,189 --> 00:12:42,869 Speaker 1: it's a tiger or it's an animal, like it's sort 228 00:12:42,869 --> 00:12:46,389 Speaker 1: of fun. Like Spot Spot, I got this one which 229 00:12:46,469 --> 00:12:50,949 Speaker 1: Spot goes to a party. Oh, and this deals with 230 00:12:51,029 --> 00:12:55,269 Speaker 1: social anxiety as far as I'm concerned. Spot's really stressed 231 00:12:55,269 --> 00:12:59,149 Speaker 1: about going to this dress up party. Every page is 232 00:12:59,909 --> 00:13:04,509 Speaker 1: where's Helen? Will Tom be there? And wears Steve, And 233 00:13:04,549 --> 00:13:07,549 Speaker 1: then there's animals dressed as animals, like that's Helen the 234 00:13:07,589 --> 00:13:12,229 Speaker 1: hippo dressed as a cat. I can't even have animals 235 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:15,549 Speaker 1: just be animals anymore. And Spots I reckon take in 236 00:13:15,629 --> 00:13:19,069 Speaker 1: something or he's been spiked because he's looking under tables. Oh, 237 00:13:19,309 --> 00:13:23,269 Speaker 1: he's having a bit of about he's paranoid. He's paranoid, 238 00:13:23,309 --> 00:13:26,189 Speaker 1: and he's socially anxious. And it's as clear as day. 239 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:27,149 Speaker 1: It's as clear as. 240 00:13:27,069 --> 00:13:30,069 Speaker 2: That your son's going to get to KINDI and get 241 00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:32,589 Speaker 2: invited to a party, and he's just going to ask 242 00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:34,389 Speaker 2: a million questions about who's going to be there, and 243 00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:37,349 Speaker 2: it's like, we just go to the party we just got. 244 00:13:37,469 --> 00:13:40,629 Speaker 1: And parties is another big one, Like in children's books 245 00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:44,589 Speaker 1: there's lots of cake and parties, so like they're already 246 00:13:44,669 --> 00:13:47,309 Speaker 1: obsessed about that, and like the thing around parties and 247 00:13:47,389 --> 00:13:51,069 Speaker 1: sugar and cake, like it's how long can you control that? 248 00:13:51,189 --> 00:13:54,309 Speaker 1: How long can you hold them back? I tried to 249 00:13:54,309 --> 00:13:57,749 Speaker 1: get to two years old until he was able to 250 00:13:58,069 --> 00:14:01,949 Speaker 1: sort a cut loose on sugar parties. But books don't 251 00:14:01,989 --> 00:14:06,429 Speaker 1: help that situation because everything is about cake and ice 252 00:14:06,509 --> 00:14:09,629 Speaker 1: creams and lollies. Like yesterday, one of the first things 253 00:14:09,629 --> 00:14:12,869 Speaker 1: he said in them was when it's my party, can 254 00:14:12,909 --> 00:14:16,669 Speaker 1: you pour two bowls of popcorn out for everyone to share? 255 00:14:17,349 --> 00:14:23,269 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, your birthdays did in December, occupying his mind. 256 00:14:25,189 --> 00:14:28,229 Speaker 2: It gets the it's a recurring theme sess with treats. 257 00:14:28,269 --> 00:14:30,669 Speaker 2: I have to say, though, I think the reason that 258 00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:34,269 Speaker 2: children's books lean into animals is because when you do 259 00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:37,949 Speaker 2: go for a real story, things are complicated. So a 260 00:14:37,949 --> 00:14:41,749 Speaker 2: friend from the UK gifted us a children's book about 261 00:14:41,749 --> 00:14:46,429 Speaker 2: Princess Diana. Oh, and it's hard to get. It's like, 262 00:14:46,549 --> 00:14:49,509 Speaker 2: Princess Donnah was beautiful, princess blah blah blah. She had 263 00:14:49,509 --> 00:14:52,149 Speaker 2: an eating disorder called Bolivia. And I'm like, hmm, I 264 00:14:52,189 --> 00:14:54,949 Speaker 2: don't know if Matilda at two months old needs to 265 00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:56,949 Speaker 2: know about that. And then it's like and then she 266 00:14:57,069 --> 00:15:01,069 Speaker 2: was in a horrible car accident, and I just don't think. 267 00:15:01,469 --> 00:15:04,029 Speaker 2: We got a children's book at the Titanic Museum, yeah, 268 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:08,109 Speaker 2: about the mouse that survived, but everyone else does. In Belfast, 269 00:15:08,109 --> 00:15:11,909 Speaker 2: we had to get a children's book and Samson survived, 270 00:15:12,709 --> 00:15:15,509 Speaker 2: but the others did not. They sunk. What are some 271 00:15:15,589 --> 00:15:19,069 Speaker 2: of the weirdest messages like other books that you've kind 272 00:15:19,069 --> 00:15:23,389 Speaker 2: of come across where you've really questioned the message and 273 00:15:23,429 --> 00:15:25,949 Speaker 2: the moral and what you are teaching your child. 274 00:15:26,349 --> 00:15:29,069 Speaker 1: Well, I think that that is an interesting one, because 275 00:15:29,109 --> 00:15:33,429 Speaker 1: like you can teach kids quite serious messages in through books, 276 00:15:34,229 --> 00:15:37,269 Speaker 1: but I think that when they're young, it should all 277 00:15:37,309 --> 00:15:40,669 Speaker 1: be fun. Like I have to scan through the books 278 00:15:40,709 --> 00:15:42,949 Speaker 1: at the library because I'll go, oh, this is one 279 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:45,229 Speaker 1: about a koala. This looks so cute. He loves koala's. 280 00:15:45,229 --> 00:15:49,429 Speaker 1: We'll have a look at that bang bushfire. Oh, or 281 00:15:49,429 --> 00:15:51,349 Speaker 1: then you know, like oh, this is a gorgeous one 282 00:15:51,389 --> 00:15:55,629 Speaker 1: about orangutangs forest lop down, you know, and like diggers 283 00:15:55,709 --> 00:15:57,629 Speaker 1: come out of nowhere and they're called like the big 284 00:15:57,669 --> 00:16:01,149 Speaker 1: black scary monsters and they not down his whole forest. 285 00:16:01,229 --> 00:16:03,989 Speaker 1: And it's like these are all really, you know, real 286 00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:08,669 Speaker 1: problems and things to explore. But I think the authors 287 00:16:08,669 --> 00:16:14,109 Speaker 1: are getting highly ambitious to get really big messages in 288 00:16:14,149 --> 00:16:15,789 Speaker 1: and a lot of the times the books I feel 289 00:16:15,789 --> 00:16:18,509 Speaker 1: like the author's playing to the parent, not the kid, 290 00:16:19,069 --> 00:16:21,509 Speaker 1: so they're pulling at the heart strings of a parent, 291 00:16:21,549 --> 00:16:25,349 Speaker 1: and it's boring the kid to tears. You know, it's like, 292 00:16:25,909 --> 00:16:28,509 Speaker 1: give me a book about poo poo at the zoo. 293 00:16:28,549 --> 00:16:31,269 Speaker 1: Book recently just absolutely went off in our house. Loved it. 294 00:16:31,949 --> 00:16:34,629 Speaker 1: But then I got one the other day that was 295 00:16:34,669 --> 00:16:37,829 Speaker 1: I didn't realize about parents separating. It's like going to 296 00:16:37,909 --> 00:16:40,549 Speaker 1: dad's house and going to mum's house. And so it 297 00:16:40,669 --> 00:16:42,789 Speaker 1: just sort of had to which again, if that was 298 00:16:42,789 --> 00:16:45,629 Speaker 1: something you were going through, really important book to read. 299 00:16:45,669 --> 00:16:48,189 Speaker 1: Like I read him a book about weaning when I 300 00:16:48,269 --> 00:16:52,389 Speaker 1: brand him with breastfited, and it really helped and he 301 00:16:52,469 --> 00:16:54,229 Speaker 1: learned it off by heart and it was like, gave 302 00:16:54,269 --> 00:16:56,829 Speaker 1: me great language to use. I know this is not 303 00:16:56,909 --> 00:17:03,189 Speaker 1: an advice from giving any advice back. It can really 304 00:17:03,229 --> 00:17:06,029 Speaker 1: help in that way. But I think like some of 305 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:08,469 Speaker 1: them are two airy theory in there for the parents, 306 00:17:08,509 --> 00:17:10,949 Speaker 1: Like I'm sure you've got multiple cop Kissed by the 307 00:17:10,989 --> 00:17:16,109 Speaker 1: Moon given to Bitcorning, five copies of Kissed by the Moon, 308 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:19,629 Speaker 1: and it bores me to tears. I'm sorry. It's like 309 00:17:19,869 --> 00:17:23,749 Speaker 1: beautiful and lovely, but it's for the mom to sit 310 00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:26,709 Speaker 1: there overly emotional and cry. 311 00:17:26,429 --> 00:17:29,029 Speaker 2: And be like did you know how much I love you, 312 00:17:29,309 --> 00:17:32,429 Speaker 2: and your baby's like, Mom, this is boring. This doesn't 313 00:17:32,469 --> 00:17:37,949 Speaker 2: slap like my giraffe. Yeah, I know, I know you've 314 00:17:37,949 --> 00:17:40,669 Speaker 2: thought about it. So I have to ask, surely in 315 00:17:40,709 --> 00:17:44,989 Speaker 2: your head you've got a children's book, surely you've got 316 00:17:45,029 --> 00:17:45,709 Speaker 2: an idea. 317 00:17:45,869 --> 00:17:48,109 Speaker 1: I'm too overwhelmed because I'm too critical, Like I'm so 318 00:17:48,189 --> 00:17:50,709 Speaker 1: critical of them all. I'm like, there are so many 319 00:17:51,069 --> 00:17:53,749 Speaker 1: things have been done. It's a bit daunting, and I 320 00:17:53,789 --> 00:17:56,749 Speaker 1: would have to be my toughest critic. But I think 321 00:17:56,749 --> 00:17:59,389 Speaker 1: another interesting thing about reading books is like the style 322 00:17:59,709 --> 00:18:03,189 Speaker 1: in which you read the book. Like, my partner is 323 00:18:04,149 --> 00:18:08,309 Speaker 1: very experimental. He does voices, he'll sing bits of it. 324 00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:11,349 Speaker 1: He'll sort of give the character is their own, you know, 325 00:18:11,469 --> 00:18:15,829 Speaker 1: little voice. I play for emotion, Yes, I act. I'm like, 326 00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:19,069 Speaker 1: I want to land the truth of the text. I 327 00:18:19,109 --> 00:18:22,229 Speaker 1: want to get it right, you know. And so sometimes 328 00:18:22,269 --> 00:18:25,269 Speaker 1: when he's reading one and he's been too silly, I'll 329 00:18:25,309 --> 00:18:27,829 Speaker 1: give some notes at the end. It's got a good 330 00:18:28,069 --> 00:18:31,709 Speaker 1: end line and it's an emotional ending and he doesn't 331 00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:33,629 Speaker 1: land it, and I'm really disappointed. I'll be like, you 332 00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:34,869 Speaker 1: didn't land that last time? 333 00:18:35,149 --> 00:18:38,429 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, It's like, come on, mate, lift your game. 334 00:18:38,949 --> 00:18:39,989 Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite? 335 00:18:40,269 --> 00:18:43,749 Speaker 1: Oh, I would say at the moment, I'm really loving 336 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,949 Speaker 1: this book called The Koala That Could. And it's about 337 00:18:46,989 --> 00:18:50,469 Speaker 1: this little koala called Kevin, who again is a bit 338 00:18:50,509 --> 00:18:52,269 Speaker 1: socially anxious. He's up in his tree, doesn't want to 339 00:18:52,309 --> 00:18:57,149 Speaker 1: come down, and everyone to come down, and his tree 340 00:18:57,149 --> 00:18:59,909 Speaker 1: falls over. Anyway, it turns out the worst thing that 341 00:18:59,949 --> 00:19:02,189 Speaker 1: he thought could happen turns out to be great, and 342 00:19:02,229 --> 00:19:04,309 Speaker 1: it frees him and he's got a whole new lease 343 00:19:04,349 --> 00:19:07,629 Speaker 1: on life. But it's very positive. I think like things 344 00:19:07,629 --> 00:19:09,989 Speaker 1: that have got a nice lyrical flow to them, rhythm 345 00:19:10,189 --> 00:19:13,549 Speaker 1: like you'd be aware of Julius Ronaldson. She's an earworm 346 00:19:13,589 --> 00:19:17,709 Speaker 1: in most parents. Is like her books. Can't get them 347 00:19:17,709 --> 00:19:18,709 Speaker 1: out of your head. 348 00:19:18,949 --> 00:19:25,269 Speaker 2: But the Gruffalo, we love the Gruffalo. I love, we 349 00:19:25,349 --> 00:19:27,949 Speaker 2: love the gruffalo. And the thing is that the gruffalo 350 00:19:28,189 --> 00:19:31,029 Speaker 2: and grug looks similar. Yeah, it is confused. So every 351 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:33,629 Speaker 2: now and then I pull out the wrong one. I go, no, Grug, 352 00:19:34,029 --> 00:19:35,029 Speaker 2: you get back in there. 353 00:19:35,109 --> 00:19:37,629 Speaker 1: That's one I've sort of deep dived into the Gruffalo 354 00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:40,669 Speaker 1: and the themes of that, which is sort of is 355 00:19:40,709 --> 00:19:43,149 Speaker 1: the graffalo a bit of a fight club situation where 356 00:19:43,149 --> 00:19:46,109 Speaker 1: it's an alter ego of the mouse sort of created 357 00:19:46,189 --> 00:19:46,789 Speaker 1: to survive. 358 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:49,389 Speaker 2: Oh wow, deeply psychological. 359 00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:52,869 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sort of touches on our obsession with cooking culture. 360 00:19:53,309 --> 00:19:56,829 Speaker 1: Just grabbled, snake, buffalo crumble. It's got heston bloominth, all 361 00:19:56,869 --> 00:20:00,709 Speaker 1: sort of tones through there and sort of image. It 362 00:20:00,749 --> 00:20:04,509 Speaker 1: really looks at image. Everyone commenting on how the mouse looks. 363 00:20:05,149 --> 00:20:07,349 Speaker 2: Do you ever sit with your son and have a 364 00:20:07,389 --> 00:20:09,389 Speaker 2: bit of a book club afterwards where you kind of 365 00:20:09,429 --> 00:20:11,909 Speaker 2: bring your idea. Is you have like a tea and 366 00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:14,829 Speaker 2: a biscuit and just like dissect what you've just considered. 367 00:20:15,069 --> 00:20:18,469 Speaker 1: I think me and my partner do a lot. I mean, 368 00:20:18,509 --> 00:20:21,229 Speaker 1: I think I'm giving myself away in this chat, but 369 00:20:21,349 --> 00:20:24,349 Speaker 1: we talk about it way too much and we rewrite endings. 370 00:20:24,669 --> 00:20:27,109 Speaker 1: And another good one, guess how much I love you? 371 00:20:27,189 --> 00:20:28,509 Speaker 2: Oh, that's like a classic. 372 00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:30,949 Speaker 1: That's a good one, and I love that one. But 373 00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:33,189 Speaker 1: it's also the dad won't let the sun win, like 374 00:20:33,309 --> 00:20:38,669 Speaker 1: give him the last sack. I know all the time, 375 00:20:38,829 --> 00:20:40,749 Speaker 1: and then at the end he's asleep. He's like by 376 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:41,989 Speaker 1: the way of word in here. 377 00:20:42,469 --> 00:20:45,629 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like let him little brown hair, I think, 378 00:20:45,789 --> 00:20:49,189 Speaker 2: But also can get a little bit I don't want 379 00:20:49,189 --> 00:20:52,869 Speaker 2: to say pretentious, but like little brown hair, it's a 380 00:20:52,909 --> 00:20:57,069 Speaker 2: bit fisty, a bit like has a lot of audacity. Okay, 381 00:20:57,109 --> 00:20:59,429 Speaker 2: you just want to be like, calm down your little 382 00:20:59,429 --> 00:21:03,469 Speaker 2: brown hair, you know. Yeah, you're just the little one. Yeah, 383 00:21:03,549 --> 00:21:06,469 Speaker 2: I totally understand. Before we let you go, I have 384 00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:08,709 Speaker 2: this book called Raw. Have you ever seen it before? 385 00:21:08,909 --> 00:21:11,669 Speaker 1: Hold it up, let me see it's raw? Oh I 386 00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:14,869 Speaker 1: think I've seen it. Yeah, those ones with like the duchy. 387 00:21:14,949 --> 00:21:17,869 Speaker 2: Yes at the back do not recommend. Okay, I want 388 00:21:17,869 --> 00:21:20,269 Speaker 2: to say an animal, and then I want you to 389 00:21:20,389 --> 00:21:22,909 Speaker 2: tell me what sound you think the animal makes, and 390 00:21:22,909 --> 00:21:24,509 Speaker 2: then I'm going to tell you what it says in 391 00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:26,989 Speaker 2: the book, right, because I have a theory that the 392 00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:30,069 Speaker 2: animal sounds are wrong and that's actually confusing an entire generation. 393 00:21:30,309 --> 00:21:34,989 Speaker 2: So here we go, walking through a puddle of mud. 394 00:21:35,309 --> 00:21:37,989 Speaker 2: The hippo gives a what sound do you think of 395 00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:38,629 Speaker 2: hippo makes? 396 00:21:38,869 --> 00:21:40,829 Speaker 1: Ah? They raw, don't they? 397 00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:47,749 Speaker 2: I would say they raw? Apparently they wheeze. Wheeze Like like, 398 00:21:47,429 --> 00:21:49,789 Speaker 2: I'm like, what even is a wheeze? That doesn't make 399 00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:54,709 Speaker 2: any sense? Paul Luna Okay, trotting through the forest, the 400 00:21:54,749 --> 00:21:55,989 Speaker 2: moose gives. 401 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:58,629 Speaker 1: A oh gosh, would it be sort of like a. 402 00:22:00,549 --> 00:22:05,509 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean difficult to write. I acknowledged difficult 403 00:22:05,509 --> 00:22:08,749 Speaker 2: to write. But it says snort yeah, which I think 404 00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:11,189 Speaker 2: is right because that sounds like it does what I 405 00:22:11,229 --> 00:22:13,229 Speaker 2: do for a pig, sonique to a pig. And the 406 00:22:13,309 --> 00:22:17,389 Speaker 2: last one, which really pisses us all off, eating a banana. 407 00:22:17,589 --> 00:22:18,989 Speaker 2: The gorilla gives a. 408 00:22:19,509 --> 00:22:22,149 Speaker 1: Oh, growl, a grol, a burp. 409 00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:26,269 Speaker 2: A burp would be funny. This one says, hoot, that's 410 00:22:26,309 --> 00:22:29,789 Speaker 2: an owl. That's an owl. Don't so what we've done. 411 00:22:29,869 --> 00:22:32,589 Speaker 2: They've just set it up. They've made the job too 412 00:22:32,629 --> 00:22:35,509 Speaker 2: hard because they've gone for too many animals that don't 413 00:22:35,509 --> 00:22:37,869 Speaker 2: make clean noises. Do half the book? Do a cow, 414 00:22:37,989 --> 00:22:40,309 Speaker 2: a pig, and a dog. And you're not ambitious. It's 415 00:22:40,309 --> 00:22:46,229 Speaker 2: too ambitious, too ambitious, honestly. Well, that brings us to 416 00:22:46,229 --> 00:22:47,869 Speaker 2: our last question, which is you have a two and 417 00:22:47,869 --> 00:22:50,509 Speaker 2: a half year old, give us a play by play 418 00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:52,749 Speaker 2: of the chaos of your morning, like a quick what 419 00:22:52,989 --> 00:22:55,749 Speaker 2: was your morning like today with a two and a 420 00:22:55,749 --> 00:22:56,309 Speaker 2: half year old? 421 00:22:56,589 --> 00:22:59,549 Speaker 1: Can I just speak a ten minute window that happens today? Yes, 422 00:22:59,869 --> 00:23:02,589 Speaker 1: where my partner was like, you go down to the 423 00:23:02,629 --> 00:23:05,629 Speaker 1: beach and I meet you within like a ten minute window. 424 00:23:05,789 --> 00:23:10,869 Speaker 1: He took his nappy off, did a poot twice, put 425 00:23:10,909 --> 00:23:15,149 Speaker 1: it into like some bark, like a doll out. He 426 00:23:15,309 --> 00:23:19,109 Speaker 1: stepped in it, gathers on. He then ran towards the 427 00:23:19,109 --> 00:23:22,709 Speaker 1: water face planted into the water, hat clothed, everything wet 428 00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:28,269 Speaker 1: and cried. Then something else happened. But then my partner 429 00:23:28,309 --> 00:23:30,229 Speaker 1: came down. He's like, I've just been chatting to the 430 00:23:30,229 --> 00:23:33,949 Speaker 1: neighbor about how he fell off his fence and hurt 431 00:23:33,989 --> 00:23:35,909 Speaker 1: his arm, and I'm like, okay, well, I've been fighting 432 00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:40,389 Speaker 1: for my life down here. Like all these things happens 433 00:23:40,989 --> 00:23:45,469 Speaker 1: like ten minutes, so it's yeah, what can happen in 434 00:23:45,509 --> 00:23:45,989 Speaker 1: a short. 435 00:23:45,829 --> 00:23:48,149 Speaker 2: Amount of time is no one would believe it. 436 00:23:48,229 --> 00:23:49,869 Speaker 1: No one believed it. I'm sure he probably ate like 437 00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:52,549 Speaker 1: two banadas and a whole puntada blueberries as well within 438 00:23:52,629 --> 00:23:53,109 Speaker 1: that time. 439 00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:55,669 Speaker 2: He picked out the most expensive fruit. And when I 440 00:23:55,709 --> 00:24:00,309 Speaker 2: only eat that now, yeah, yeah, oh, thank you so 441 00:24:00,509 --> 00:24:03,429 Speaker 2: much for your time. We so appreciate it. Thank you 442 00:24:03,509 --> 00:24:04,829 Speaker 2: so much. 443 00:24:04,389 --> 00:24:11,109 Speaker 1: It's thanks. Girls. 444 00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:17,669 Speaker 2: Is there a children's book that you love or absolutely 445 00:24:17,709 --> 00:24:19,509 Speaker 2: cannot stand to read it to your baby? 446 00:24:19,589 --> 00:24:21,469 Speaker 4: If I never see a book about blue again. It 447 00:24:21,469 --> 00:24:24,229 Speaker 4: can't be soon enough. My kid is obsessed with blue. 448 00:24:24,349 --> 00:24:27,149 Speaker 4: We've got the TV show, that toys, even blue themed food. 449 00:24:27,629 --> 00:24:29,629 Speaker 4: We do not need any more blue books. 450 00:24:29,869 --> 00:24:32,669 Speaker 2: My personal favorite is Go the Fock to Sleep by 451 00:24:32,669 --> 00:24:36,709 Speaker 2: Adam Man's book really just echoes everything I feel about 452 00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:39,829 Speaker 2: the power struggle of putting my baby to bed. I 453 00:24:39,869 --> 00:24:41,269 Speaker 2: love reading to my baby. 454 00:24:41,629 --> 00:24:43,749 Speaker 1: I know she's got no idea what I'm saying, but 455 00:24:43,829 --> 00:24:46,469 Speaker 1: I like to think the more sophisticated the baby book, 456 00:24:46,749 --> 00:24:48,909 Speaker 1: the more she's absorbing throstmosis. 457 00:24:48,989 --> 00:24:59,669 Speaker 3: Maybe crab crap crap advice. 458 00:25:03,509 --> 00:25:06,589 Speaker 2: It's now time to jump into our advice segment, and 459 00:25:06,629 --> 00:25:09,309 Speaker 2: we've had a listener reach out with a little conundrum, 460 00:25:09,349 --> 00:25:12,309 Speaker 2: and I just I want to tell the listeners we 461 00:25:12,389 --> 00:25:15,229 Speaker 2: work so hard on this. We do. We do read 462 00:25:15,309 --> 00:25:19,869 Speaker 2: about it before we do research. We consult the literature, 463 00:25:20,349 --> 00:25:24,029 Speaker 2: and we even write notes, and we just also assess 464 00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:27,989 Speaker 2: what's the vibe? Yeah, exactly this issue. Jesse, Please, what's 465 00:25:27,989 --> 00:25:30,269 Speaker 2: the dilemma? 466 00:25:31,109 --> 00:25:31,269 Speaker 3: Hi? 467 00:25:31,349 --> 00:25:35,389 Speaker 2: Girls love the show Manstreet intro. I have a dilemma. 468 00:25:35,389 --> 00:25:38,269 Speaker 2: I think you're uniquely qualified to not help me with food. 469 00:25:39,429 --> 00:25:42,029 Speaker 2: I have a ten month old who doesn't know that 470 00:25:42,109 --> 00:25:45,949 Speaker 2: food is food. She puts everything in her mouth, literally everything, 471 00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:48,349 Speaker 2: except when it comes time for her to eat something. 472 00:25:48,669 --> 00:25:50,789 Speaker 2: I put her in her high chair, put food in 473 00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:53,269 Speaker 2: front of her, and she looks at me like I'm crazy. 474 00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:55,949 Speaker 2: She doesn't touch it, purses her lips when I try 475 00:25:55,949 --> 00:25:58,349 Speaker 2: to feed her, and only touches it to throw it 476 00:25:58,429 --> 00:26:00,629 Speaker 2: on the floor. Then I'll let her crawl around and 477 00:26:00,669 --> 00:26:03,869 Speaker 2: she is literally putting a shoe in her mouth. Guys, 478 00:26:03,989 --> 00:26:06,429 Speaker 2: everyone says food before one is just for fun, but 479 00:26:06,469 --> 00:26:08,909 Speaker 2: this isn't fun, and I think she needs iron and 480 00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:13,029 Speaker 2: other nutrients from actual food. What do I do if 481 00:26:13,069 --> 00:26:20,349 Speaker 2: my baby won't eat? Thank you Gabby. Okay, firstly, food 482 00:26:20,389 --> 00:26:22,829 Speaker 2: before one is just for fun, can get in the 483 00:26:22,869 --> 00:26:26,509 Speaker 2: bin because they're not one. They're like bottles. Why they're 484 00:26:26,509 --> 00:26:29,429 Speaker 2: having bottles because I thought food was just fun. I 485 00:26:29,429 --> 00:26:31,069 Speaker 2: thought that bottles was where we were getting all of 486 00:26:31,069 --> 00:26:34,429 Speaker 2: our calories. On Tuesday, and then on Wednesday she turned one, 487 00:26:34,829 --> 00:26:37,229 Speaker 2: and suddenly it's like, why isn't she having three four 488 00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:41,269 Speaker 2: meals and two snacks? Because the bitch can't eat because 489 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:43,269 Speaker 2: I thought we were I thought we were having fun. No, 490 00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:46,509 Speaker 2: it's actually not fun, and they're like their iron requirements 491 00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:49,869 Speaker 2: go up hugely. No. And you also you have a 492 00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:52,189 Speaker 2: ten month old and you go, hey, professional, why is 493 00:26:52,189 --> 00:26:54,269 Speaker 2: my ten month old not sleeping? And they're like, well, 494 00:26:54,509 --> 00:26:56,629 Speaker 2: did they have a steak for now? And you're like, oh, 495 00:26:56,629 --> 00:26:59,349 Speaker 2: well they've only got one tooth and no, because we 496 00:26:59,389 --> 00:27:02,549 Speaker 2: thought we were having fun and my baby doesn't want steak. 497 00:27:02,669 --> 00:27:05,389 Speaker 2: And they're like, how is your baby meant to sleep 498 00:27:05,429 --> 00:27:08,869 Speaker 2: if they haven't had a steak? And three of the age, yeah, 499 00:27:09,189 --> 00:27:14,669 Speaker 2: te phone and your own steak. Well, no, she doesn't. 500 00:27:14,709 --> 00:27:19,389 Speaker 2: She doesn't want that. She wants would Chip wants wood 501 00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:23,789 Speaker 2: and sand and sand? Okay, Jesse, I obviously thought about 502 00:27:23,789 --> 00:27:26,589 Speaker 2: this a lot. So firstly, I just want to let 503 00:27:26,589 --> 00:27:29,829 Speaker 2: Gabby know her ten month old trolling her absolutely great 504 00:27:29,829 --> 00:27:34,029 Speaker 2: sense of humor. Yeah, so I bet that baby knows 505 00:27:34,069 --> 00:27:37,269 Speaker 2: what food is when it's McDonald's. I bet if you 506 00:27:37,309 --> 00:27:39,029 Speaker 2: put a happy meal in front of that baby, that 507 00:27:39,109 --> 00:27:43,029 Speaker 2: baby would flip and that can tuck it in and 508 00:27:43,149 --> 00:27:47,069 Speaker 2: just get that pincer grasp of like chip Chip hold 509 00:27:47,069 --> 00:27:50,269 Speaker 2: the burger with two heads. Suddenly we have our fine 510 00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:52,789 Speaker 2: motor skills set. And then they would get the little 511 00:27:52,949 --> 00:27:55,349 Speaker 2: sauce and be like, sorry, can I have sweet? And sour. 512 00:27:55,429 --> 00:27:57,509 Speaker 2: I didn't know you could speak. Well I can. I'll 513 00:27:57,509 --> 00:28:00,189 Speaker 2: have sweet and sour sauce on my six nugs. Oh 514 00:28:00,229 --> 00:28:04,789 Speaker 2: my god, your baby knows what food is. Second thing, 515 00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:08,749 Speaker 2: I don't know why anyone hasn't thought of this. What 516 00:28:08,949 --> 00:28:12,509 Speaker 2: babies need when they're not eating and they're being a 517 00:28:12,509 --> 00:28:18,509 Speaker 2: bit silly ivy food like a tube? A tube? Well, 518 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:21,309 Speaker 2: actually they do do that little babies that are struggling 519 00:28:21,349 --> 00:28:24,069 Speaker 2: with food intake. But what you're talking about, I think 520 00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:29,909 Speaker 2: is hooking them up. Ye, similar to hypothetically, you drank 521 00:28:29,949 --> 00:28:32,669 Speaker 2: too much after COVID hypothetically and we had to go 522 00:28:32,709 --> 00:28:35,469 Speaker 2: to the hospital hypothetically because you needed to be on 523 00:28:35,509 --> 00:28:39,429 Speaker 2: a drip hypothetically, And what they did was they might 524 00:28:39,469 --> 00:28:43,109 Speaker 2: have put water to hydrate you. Yeah, and some vitamins 525 00:28:43,109 --> 00:28:45,949 Speaker 2: and minerals. That's what we need for the baby. Yes, 526 00:28:46,469 --> 00:28:48,989 Speaker 2: So put some protein in there, put some carbs in there, 527 00:28:49,069 --> 00:28:51,509 Speaker 2: like blend some meat, yeah, and just put it through 528 00:28:51,509 --> 00:28:54,309 Speaker 2: the bloodstream. Yeah. I think. So that's first. I don't 529 00:28:54,349 --> 00:28:57,349 Speaker 2: know why I haven't thought of that, Gabby. Secondly, I 530 00:28:57,389 --> 00:29:00,949 Speaker 2: don't know why everyone doesn't do this. Okay, So Gabby's 531 00:29:00,989 --> 00:29:03,269 Speaker 2: upset because she's like, well, why is my baby eating 532 00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:06,909 Speaker 2: shoes and not eating broccoli? Yep. We never want to 533 00:29:06,909 --> 00:29:12,229 Speaker 2: tell someone it's their fault, not on show, but sometimes 534 00:29:12,309 --> 00:29:16,309 Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, you know the trend where everything is 535 00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:22,309 Speaker 2: cake that but with everything everything in your house and 536 00:29:22,349 --> 00:29:25,389 Speaker 2: it's food, so it's actually your fault, Gabby. Why is 537 00:29:25,429 --> 00:29:28,709 Speaker 2: a shoe shoe when a shoe to be be broccoli? 538 00:29:29,549 --> 00:29:35,229 Speaker 2: You need to be making a house made edible things 539 00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:38,869 Speaker 2: that look like toy. Okay, so even like coffee table 540 00:29:38,909 --> 00:29:41,149 Speaker 2: because my baby likes to do a bit of anoring 541 00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:44,549 Speaker 2: on the coffee table. Yeah, that needs to be Yeah, 542 00:29:44,629 --> 00:29:49,309 Speaker 2: needs to be tofu because putting shoe in mouth would 543 00:29:49,309 --> 00:29:53,789 Speaker 2: be great and fine if it was pie shoe pie. 544 00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:58,189 Speaker 2: So fat Gabby is on you, babe. All right right, 545 00:29:59,229 --> 00:30:04,349 Speaker 2: I've got some additional solutions. Firstly, everyone knows you can 546 00:30:04,429 --> 00:30:08,989 Speaker 2: purate anything pure shoe. Your baby likes shoe, they're expecting 547 00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:11,549 Speaker 2: an interesting shoe. Puts you in blender. I don't know 548 00:30:11,589 --> 00:30:13,629 Speaker 2: why we haven't thought of that. Or let's say she 549 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:16,869 Speaker 2: wants to eat the remote. Yeah, yeah, which obviously, yeah, 550 00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:19,309 Speaker 2: who doesn't want to eat the remote? You get a 551 00:30:19,429 --> 00:30:22,709 Speaker 2: chainsaw and you just chop it up into little bite 552 00:30:22,749 --> 00:30:25,989 Speaker 2: sized bits. So you take the buttons out because they're 553 00:30:26,069 --> 00:30:28,749 Speaker 2: nice and chewy, good for little teeth. Ye, and set 554 00:30:28,749 --> 00:30:30,749 Speaker 2: it up like those plates on Instagram where you've got 555 00:30:30,749 --> 00:30:33,029 Speaker 2: all the different you know how it's like four different things, 556 00:30:33,069 --> 00:30:35,669 Speaker 2: and they've got all the different sections as and like 557 00:30:35,749 --> 00:30:38,789 Speaker 2: avocado and like a protein and like a carb that 558 00:30:38,949 --> 00:30:45,909 Speaker 2: but with remote so it's like battery plastic buttons, et cetera. Yeah, 559 00:30:45,989 --> 00:30:48,349 Speaker 2: and then just let them go. And I looked at like, 560 00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:51,709 Speaker 2: for example, with shoes, what shoe even made of? Yeah, 561 00:30:51,749 --> 00:30:55,149 Speaker 2: and it's made of according to the Internet, like leather, 562 00:30:55,469 --> 00:31:00,349 Speaker 2: potentially text, which is an animal product, which is protein, 563 00:31:00,589 --> 00:31:04,629 Speaker 2: which is wow, yeah, your baby is getting it's basic 564 00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:08,789 Speaker 2: clean maple. Yeah, it's basic clean maple. Also, I looked 565 00:31:08,829 --> 00:31:11,669 Speaker 2: up what was in paper, and the reason I did 566 00:31:11,709 --> 00:31:14,309 Speaker 2: that was because Lune eates her books. Ah, and she 567 00:31:14,349 --> 00:31:17,229 Speaker 2: does a little just like a little mouse like shoes 568 00:31:17,229 --> 00:31:19,109 Speaker 2: on the edge of her paper. Yeah, Matilda does that, 569 00:31:19,149 --> 00:31:23,989 Speaker 2: but with cardboard books. Yes, So in paper is cotton, wheat, 570 00:31:24,309 --> 00:31:27,509 Speaker 2: something called flax which sounds like flax seeds, which is 571 00:31:27,549 --> 00:31:30,989 Speaker 2: a great souper food. Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing 572 00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:35,229 Speaker 2: I was thinking is that they always say if your 573 00:31:35,229 --> 00:31:37,869 Speaker 2: baby let's say they won't eat bccoli. You mix it 574 00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:42,669 Speaker 2: with something they like. Oh, yes, so baby likes coffee table. Yes, 575 00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:49,069 Speaker 2: chocolate pa, Yes, coffee table. Yeah, pure it with some broccoli. Boom, 576 00:31:49,109 --> 00:31:51,429 Speaker 2: just on the plate. Boom, boom bam. They love it. 577 00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:55,989 Speaker 2: Or you're making eggs, chuck in a key, an omelet, 578 00:31:56,309 --> 00:32:00,469 Speaker 2: an omelind omelet and omelet. You've got key, you've got shoes, 579 00:32:00,509 --> 00:32:06,429 Speaker 2: you've got hair brush in a smoothie. Yeah, beauty, absolutely like. 580 00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:18,109 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that is actually quite helpful. Bye, before you 581 00:32:18,189 --> 00:32:20,189 Speaker 2: take off. We love it if you could rate the 582 00:32:20,189 --> 00:32:22,989 Speaker 2: show in whatever app you're listening from and share it 583 00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:25,829 Speaker 2: with a friend or two. The Baby Bubble is produced 584 00:32:25,829 --> 00:32:29,229 Speaker 2: by Taylor Strano with audio production by Teagan Sadler. We 585 00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:36,669 Speaker 2: will see you next week. Bye bye,