WEBVTT - The Lunchbox Theory & Our Complicated Feelings About YouTube 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.760 Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast where we bring 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.720 you the news and the trends and the culture and 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.520 what parents are thinking about. I'm Monique BOWLEI, I'm Amelia Lester, 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.919 and i am Stacy Higgs. And today big news. We 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.200 are on video on Apple Podcasts. If you want to 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.159 watch our glorious faces you can. Who has time? Not me, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:25.599 but it's what the people want. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.040 You look so chic. Is that a video inspired new 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.600 look for you? Yes, it is. Thank you for noticing you, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.680 age fashion editor, I'm into it. You do very gener lions. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.320 Actually, coming up on today's show, what have we got? 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.239 Oh wait, did we say who we are? 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:41.920 We did? Didn't we? 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.080 Okay, you were just too excited. You were too distracted 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:45.720 by the factor. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.479 I'm looking at our own face. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.320 Yes. So coming up today, apparently you need to perform 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.840 seven specific acts to be considered a supreme adult. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.520 And we have the list, and look, we're finally going there. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.960 We need to talk about YouTube. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.520 And there's a new parenting rule out this week straight 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.440 out of the New York Times. What if being a 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.360 good parent is giving less shits? 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:08.920 Right? 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.920 And Amelia has this lunch box theory and it's just 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.200 the perfect way to describe modern parenting. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.360 So we'll get to that too. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.120 But first we need to talk about the fact that 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.399 the Parenting Out Louders did some boots on the ground 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:21.160 journalism for. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:22.040 Us last week. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.119 So we obviously spoke about the Jessica hack, where all 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.160 the parents are going around and just yelling the name 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.840 Jessica when their children are mid meltdown. And so the 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.120 Parenting Out Louders delivered they tried it and they say, yes, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.560 it works as well. And my favorite one is from 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.199 our listener Amy Lee, and so she said she tried 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.400 it and it went wrong, kind of went right, worked, 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.000 but then went wrong. So she said it certainly worked, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.120 although perhaps not in the way I meant it to. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.440 My five year old became really confused, and then after 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.080 thirty seconds of me calling Jessica, come here please, she 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.360 proceeded to look at me with terror and screamed ghost, 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.640 to which I had to calm her down from that, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.800 and she spent the rest of the night by my side. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.000 So be warned if you're doing the Jessica hack, they 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.639 may think there's an intruder. Look. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.320 I don't know what this says about me, but I 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.880 did the Jessica hack to my child in front of 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.880 my husband, and he just looked at me like he 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.040 looks at me most of the time, which is a 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.480 look of like vague mystification and confusion, but choosing not 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.880 to inquire as to what the hell I was doing, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.480 as to who Jessica was and if. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.240 She was a visitor in your house. Like even the 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.640 celebrities are getting in on it now, right mod. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.120 Yes, So Jessica Biale. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:39.480 This week, celebrity Jessica Bill had this take on TikTok 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.600 because this thing has blown up. It's been ubiquitous all 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.960 over my feed, this Jessica three. So she basically came 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.680 out on behalf of all Jessica's and said, hey, listen, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.720 I'm thrilled to be of service, but can we please 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.000 not traumatize an entire generation to fearing Jessica's. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.800 Have a listen to what she said, guys. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.639 I'm not totally sure I feel about this like Jessica 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.960 trend with moms and toddlers and now dogs apparently it's 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:06.800 working for which is. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:07.440 Kind of amazing. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.640 I'm going to try it on my dogs because I 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.200 feel like half these kids in these videos look petrified. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.520 I really love that if I can come into your 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.919 household with my name that I share with so many 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.040 other incredible Jessica's around the world, I'm sure and help 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:23.120 you with your kids tantrum. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.440 But I sort of feel like these kids are terrified. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.680 They look terrified and hopeful that Jessica is not going 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.400 to show up. Part of me says wants to say, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.160 You're welcome, Glad I can be helpful, Glad we all 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.640 of us Jessica's can be helpful. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.240 And also, please, please, please. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:44.600 Don't make your dallar terrified of people named Jessica, because 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:45.560 we're good people. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:46.520 We're nice people. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.040 We want to help you with the tantrum, but we 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.640 don't want to scare the shit out of your kid. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.000 Well, I think it's already too light because there was 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:53.960 a story a couple of months ago we run it 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.720 on Mom and Mayor as well about how Jessica is 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.520 the millennial equivalent of a Karen, Like it's that nice, 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.240 this is Jessica if you're a Jessica. So yeah, Jessica's 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.680 are having a pr problem this week. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.680 And also, Jessica Biale has always been parenting and Jason 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.480 before she had kids, One of my Roman empires is 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.760 that she opened a kids restaurant in the West Village 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.240 of New York called Oh Fudge, but the O was 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.520 spelt au like it was French. Oh Fudge. But she 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.159 did this again before she had children. What would possess 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:28.880 anyone to open a restaurant for kids before they had children. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:30.599 That's cool? Is it still there? 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:30.840 No? 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.560 It was terrible, terrible failure. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.280 I mean probably on account of the fact you had 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.640 no idea what kids would want from a restaurant. And 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.039 the other thing I noticed in the reviews mods that 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.160 we spoke about in our meeting, and then we said, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:45.679 we have to talk about this on the show. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.599 Do not go any further. We need to bring this 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.400 to the listeners. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.560 Is that one of the listeners, Alex, and the viewers 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.880 and the viewers and the viewers sorry, sorry, all welcome. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.000 She was saying she loves the show, and then said, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.240 side note, I love Monza's Adelaide accent. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.960 It's a thing, and you told us, I'm surprised it's 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:08.039 taken so long to come up. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:09.920 Actually tell us what it is. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.200 It's because we're not hearing it. We're not hearing it 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:14.919 from you. We just hear you as you. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.080 Oh, thank you. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.480 I think Adelaide people say things like graph and dance 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:25.200 instead of so graph instead of graph, dance instead of dance. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.600 But the big thing that we do is we don't 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.039 say our els like I can't even say l like that. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.920 For example, how do you say how do. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.960 You say people? People? People? 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:42.159 So you say people people with the people, but Adelaid 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.400 people will say people. So there is actually a test 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.320 sentence that will immediately out you as an Adelaide person. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.800 And I want you to both read this out loud 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.320 of put it in your scripts. Okay, okay, well it's 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.159 the sentence is there for you? Cage Amelia, you go first. 0:05:59.240 --> 0:05:59.520 Okay. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.920 People from Adelaide pull the foil off the vegetable oil 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:04.919 bottle at Aldi. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.200 Okay, people from Adelaide pull the foil off the vegetable 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:10.400 oil bottle from Aldi. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:12.680 How are you going to do this? 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.880 Adelaide people would say that as people from Adelaide pull 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.320 the foil off the vegetable oil bottle. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.719 I got it, I got it. I can hear it now, 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.279 I can hear it. There's no ls. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.960 So when you lived in Melbourne for many years, did 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.960 you find yourself because I asked this because moving between 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.320 Australia and America, I have to deal with ours. That's 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.520 my problematic thing because Americans pronounce ours and Australians by 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.360 and large don't. So I'm always like code switching as 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.680 it were when you lived in Melbourne, were you having 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.040 to code switch by inserting l's where you really didn't 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.160 want to insert them? 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.960 My Adelaide accent is too strong. I couldn't do it. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.400 But the thing about the Melbourne accent is they say 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.599 they don't say ease, they say a's, they don't The 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:05.520 name Ellie becomes Ali, yes, Melbourne becomes Melbourne yes, and. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.719 We say always instead of always. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.520 I'm not I'm butchering, but they do say yeah, I 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:11.400 always do that. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.440 It's actually beautiful, It's actually so much nice. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.160 But Sydney is a default accent. Yeah, I'm hearing here 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:17.840 people in sitting pronounced all letters. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.920 Well, yes, yeah. 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.640 The sentence that would out you as a Melbournian would 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.040 be Ali goes to the deli for salary. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:32.000 Although that sounded a little valley girl. Yeah, yeah, American. Yeah, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:33.440 you live and learn. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.240 Yeah, I'm noticing that something is happening on Netflix lately. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:38.480 You guys have probably got it too. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.040 Suddenly I'm getting served even on my adult profile, not 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.040 even on the kids profile. Shows like Danny Go, which 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.760 is like a really big YouTube series. And we kind 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.840 of saw this start with like Miss Rachel when Miss 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.160 Rachel moved across from YouTube to Netflix. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.760 Yeah, yeah, I did notice this, Stacy, I noticed Blippy, Yeah, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.800 he has moved from well to Netflix now. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.120 Yeah, and they're like starting to come across. And the 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.560 one that was a bit of a tipping point for 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.119 me is Salish and Jordan matter. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:06.960 Have you seen that? 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.160 They're like huge ahead of them YouTuber's huge and I 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:15.119 hadn't either until earlier this year because she's sixteen years old. 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.160 Salish she launched a line of beauty products into Sephora, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.960 and there was like a mob of people like this girl. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.680 Her dad's profile is thirty. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.120 Five million subscribers on it and she's been on that 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:26.440 since she was ten years old. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:27.720 She's sixteen now. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.760 And we started talking about this the other day in 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.120 somewhat alarmed tones. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:31.640 Yes. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.400 For a lot of parents, YouTube on the hierarchy of 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:40.360 entertainment for kids, YouTube is often thought of as below 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:45.080 your programs that are on regular conventional TV or on 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.679 regular conventional streaming service. Yes, yeah, And I am guilty 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.400 of this. I sort of seen Netflix as a place where, well, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.880 at least it's professionals making the TV shows their narrative driven, 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.200 they feature characters, they extend concentration spans. And I've sort 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.360 of been very wary of YouTube because I see it 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.199 as a bit of a wild West. So what does 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.520 it mean when everything is becoming YouTube, when there's a 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.319 youtuberification effect across all entertainment, Is this something we should 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:13.040 be worried about. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.040 Yeah, YouTube's band in our house. It didn't used to be. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.000 It used to be sort of like videos of diggers 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.120 and videos of planes, and the kids could watch in 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:22.960 the lound room. And I never had a problem with it, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.840 And in fact, I read some study recently that's like 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.160 seventy percent of kids are watching YouTube. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:31.040 Oh so innocent. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.360 But the turning point for me was a day that 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.120 my kids were watching what I thought was Pepper Pig 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.280 in the lound room. Instead of it being the actual 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:44.880 children's show, it was this weird Frankenstein version with different voices, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:50.040 and the content was really disturbing and weird. It was violent, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.440 it was a little bit sexual in nature and I 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.480 saw this with my own eyes in my lound room 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.000 and I heard it, and from there, YouTube is a 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.920 hard in this house. It was reported that this was 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.200 happening widely. They were doing it with like sort of 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.800 Elsa videos from Frozen, but I never read the reports. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.000 That didn't work their way into my algorithm, so I 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.920 had no idea. And then there was the Momo Challenge. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.920 I don't know if you remember that in twenty nineteen, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.160 where there were reports of this really creepy character like 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.240 coming into videos mid video on YouTube and telling kids 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.920 to self harm. So that's why YouTube is a complete 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:30.240 ban in our house. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.480 There's a lot of research around how susceptible kids are 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.760 on YouTube to accessing extreme content, Like researchers found that 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:43.320 it took thirteen clicks, just thirteen on recommended related videos 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.640 to go from legitimate children's content on the BBC to 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.080 children's characters like Pepper Pig or Elsa dying by suicide 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.200 just and when you think about it, for the little kids, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:54.600 thirteen clicks is not very many. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.440 But I feel like. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.280 We all kind of know that that, like YouTube's a 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.840 little bit lawless in that way. What I wanted to 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.440 really get at today and get your feelings on is 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:12.199 maybe this is just us being kind of hopelessly millennial 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:17.080 about the new technology, because surely all through history, older 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.880 people have been anxious about new forms of entertainment. There 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.440 was panic about the wireless, when radio first came out, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.360 people were very worried about TV, then video games. Then 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.400 in the nineties it was all about lyrics in rap songs. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.480 And I'm just wondering whether we are scared of you 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.960 to in part because it's confronting to us. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.800 We don't understand it. We didn't grow up with it. Stacy. Yeah. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.400 I mean when I was a teenager, I would spend 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.040 during the school holidays, probably eight hours a day doing 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.319 the sims, you know, like I was on a screen 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.959 for hours and hours and hours. And I know that 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.360 that was a big thing for us, was the Internet age. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:56.120 That's going to ruin. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.080 And then it kind of was like, that's actually okay, 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.040 I'm out the other side of that, and that's okay. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.720 And I do wonder with this because you know, we 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.480 can sit here and say YouTube's bad and we should 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.920 never have our kids on YouTube. So many kids, as 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.800 you said, so many kids, the majority of kids are 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.080 using YouTube and a lot of it is legitimately good, 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.319 entertaining or educational content. But is it more the platform 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.640 that's the problem rather than the content, Like it's the 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.000 it's the continuous loop and the continuous scroll that becomes 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:28.679 the issue. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:34.720 I'm going to argue against your good content theory there, Stacy. Basically, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.040 the entire system that makes kids TV in Australia is broken, right, 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.240 It no longer exists. So there used to be a 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:46.800 quota of Australian children's content on commercial networks, but then 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.600 it COVID. It was like all bets are off, don't 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.440 worry about it, like, just broadcast whatever you can get, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.679 and they removed this quota and they have never reinstated it. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.920 So that sort of regulatory framework, which meant that Australian shows, 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.240 like good quality shows had to be commissioned, and all 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.120 these places that were making shows, like local writers and producers, 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.120 they kind of all lost their jobs. It all disappeared 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.920 because that sort of content production stopped because there was 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.280 no one at the top saying this has to be made. 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.120 And the other problem is like global streamers don't always 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:20.600 want to commission Australian content. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:21.320 It's interesting. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.680 I didn't know that, and we should say that just 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.679 as the democratization of all media has led to the 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.640 amplification of marginalized voices and people who otherwise wouldn't have 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:36.600 seen themselves represented in mainstream media, there are good sides 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.679 to the lowering of the barrier for people to become 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.040 content creators on YouTube. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:42.760 Absolutely. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.000 This was an interesting study that I read about done 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.559 in the UK which looked at all the social media 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.319 platforms and their effects on kids, and interestingly, YouTube was 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.520 the only social media platform that was reported to have 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.360 positive benefits for young users, which I thought was interesting. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.040 This was a study that YouTube pushed very heavily last 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.520 year when the social media band came in, because they 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.760 were trying to say we're not a social media platform 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.200 or an entertainment platform. In the end, the government determined 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.240 that they were a social media platform, that they were 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.000 subject to the same law that the other more typical 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:20.200 social media platforms were privy to. But I guess, stepping 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.160 back from that, what do we do about the fact 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:29.440 that our kids preferred entertainment platform is also a social 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.600 media platform is also a wild West. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.280 Yeah, that's the thing, and that's why it's feeling more 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.920 gray now because even if you go, okay, well, YouTube's 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.000 band in my household, I'm just gonna you know, they 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.800 can watch things on Netflix kids, or they can watch ABC, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.360 you know whatever it is. Now Netflix is becoming more 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.880 like the platform you were trying to take them away from, 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.720 Like this show with the father and Daughter so Salation 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.040 Jordan Matter. It's stuff like little challenges that they do 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.760 or harmless pranks, but it's like fast paced, quick cut, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.240 very short episodes, really exaggerated and really over the top. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.040 And so it's kind of like, you know, we can 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.160 be going, oh, at least the content on their safe, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.560 but that's becoming more like that as well. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.560 So yeah, what where do you go? Or is this 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.840 not actually that much of a problem. I don't know. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:20.840 I keep going back and forth on it. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.800 I think I'm sort of grieving the loss of control 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.960 over what kids watched. Like back in the day, it 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.880 was parents selecting it. It was you would get the 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.240 TV guide in the paper and it was okay, play 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.480 school's on at two thirty, Bananas in pajamas on it 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.000 two forty five, and there was somebody in the background 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.640 of that actually programming it for kids. It was choice regular. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.720 Wasn't it like it's a pattern. It was that you 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.480 got the same thing at the same time. It wasn't 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.080 like this dopamine spike every time you went to something new. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:46.960 Yeah. Yeah. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.440 The algorithm was some man in the eighties just called 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.680 nerv probably going yeah this time, or play this. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:53.400 Yeah. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.320 You're not going to like what the experts say about 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.440 how to how to safely allow your kids to watch 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.600 YouTube ones because I think it was you who mentioned 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.680 before the idea of so many parents use the TV. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.160 They turn it on and then they go and get 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.840 stuff done. They're folding laundry, they're putting dinner on, they're 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.000 packing lunchboxes. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.360 Yet the experts say that with YouTube. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.800 You can't just leave it playing like you can maybe 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.480 ABC kids on iView, and they stress that you've just 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.880 got to be talking to them about what they're watching. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.240 You've got to be monitoring it, and you've got to 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.920 be teaching them critical thinking skills, which just feels like 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.080 another thing to add to the to do list. Alternatively, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.920 a friend of mine who is a school counselor, gave 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.200 me a brilliant analogy that she ran by her own 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.560 kids at YouTube I want to see whether you think 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.360 this will work, she explained to her kid. Imagine there's 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.680 a grocery store and there's all this fruit and vegetables 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:48.280 in the front. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.280 Section of the grocery store. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.640 That's the front page of YouTube, like a lot of 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.160 good stuff, a lot of educational content, a lot of documentaries. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.440 There's a room in the back that just has lollies 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.800 and chips in it, just lollies and chips. Would you 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.080 want to go into that room completely by yourself and 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.640 gorge yourself on lollies and chips? And at first they're like, yeah, 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.560 of course they would, But then they think it through 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.600 when they remember how sick they feel after they eat 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.440 too many lollies, and they say, I guess I need 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.159 to monitor that. Then she asked them, what if some 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.200 of those lollies and chips were poisoned, they were poisoned 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.960 to make you feel sick, do you think that you 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:20.920 should be let into. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.200 That room completely by yourself. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.760 Now, of course it's not going to go textbook perfect 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.000 that the kid realizes that they need supervision. But I 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.160 found that to be a somewhat powerful analogy to share 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:31.639 with kids. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.199 Yeah, yeah, that works. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.760 That's the thing is it's like if we need to 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.600 be there monitoring it and teaching them the critical thinking 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.199 like you said, Like I just don't want to. I 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:42.760 just don't want it, Like I just don't want to 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.359 be anywhere near it to have to have that layer 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.000 on top of it, like TV's meant to be fun 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.520 and storytelling and education like you said, like we want 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.840 it to be that narrative stuff like you're Blue E's 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:56.760 and they saying it. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:58.040 I like that meally. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.359 I think that like it being junk for is a 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.159 really good analogy, Like maybe it's just sometimes food. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.879 Just like Stacy's Junkie TV is a sometimes Yeah, we 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:08.080 all have our guilty question. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:08.600 Yeah. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.560 He says a meme doing the Rounds this week that 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.680 basically says to become a fully formed adult, you must 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.359 complete the Seven Wonders. And I sent it to you 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.479 straight away and I was like, how many can you get? 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:21.359 Oh my god. I opened this. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.040 I was like, I'm clearly going to get all of these, 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:24.840 and then I was like I don't like this. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.199 I don't like, I'm not an adult, I'm not the 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:28.760 exact same. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:34.120 I was like, yeah, yeah, never mind, So I'm going 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.200 to read them and I want you to tell me 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.560 should we go one at a time? Okay, in order 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.320 to become the supreme adult, you must perform the Seven 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.560 Wonders public speaking. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.320 We're doing that one. So far, so good. Not being 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.000 afraid of teenagers. So afraid of teenagers. Yeah, they scare me. 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.760