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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast from mom and Mia.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm

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Speaker 1: Laura Bradnik and today I'm joined by I'm Tina Burke.

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Speaker 1: And do you have to say you are at the

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Speaker 1: stage of the game. I am Momome's pop culture and

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Speaker 1: social editor. Yes, across all the entertainment stories that are

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Speaker 1: in traditional media. But also you are the one person

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Speaker 1: I know who dives into the deepest, darkest depths and

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Speaker 1: corners of the Internet and bring us the news that

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Speaker 1: you see from there as well. You're like an explorer. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's very important. I've started doing weekend lists so that

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Speaker 1: I don't bother Laura too much on the weekend, so

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Speaker 1: that she has time away from me, so we regroup

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Speaker 1: on Monday mornings of everything on the indie. And also,

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Speaker 1: just to be clear, your list isn't just work related.

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Speaker 1: It's just things in the entertainment, celebrity, film, TV world

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Speaker 1: that you've seen that you come across in your journeys

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Speaker 1: of the Internet over the weekend that you think I

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Speaker 1: need to know and things that like I think you

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Speaker 1: care about that I don't really care about it at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So important. Yeah, it's very important for me to share

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Speaker 1: stuff with Well, a few items that have appeared on

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Speaker 1: your recent list of things to tell me are coming

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Speaker 1: up today. First of all, we are doing toxic fandoms

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Speaker 1: because a huge story has blown up with some of

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Speaker 1: the most famous men currently in the world and there's

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Speaker 1: been a whole situation of like two of them dating.

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Speaker 1: One of them has unfolllowed everyone fandoms are upset and

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Speaker 1: going to get into that, and I know that's your

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Speaker 1: that's fun. Plus, Amanda Seafried, who is really on the

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Speaker 1: she's been nominated for Golden Globes, has given a really

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Speaker 1: interesting interview. It's almost like she said the quiet part

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that because it's very intriguing.

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Speaker 1: But first, something very exciting has happened, and that is

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Weathering Heights press to it has started.

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Speaker 1: We were counting down for this, like I was waiting

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Speaker 1: all year long last year, and now it's finally here

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Speaker 1: and the photos look insane. Yeah, I'm excited for the outfits.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to we'll see the movie, which we haven't yet.

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Speaker 1: So Wathering Heights, of course, I love how every time

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Speaker 1: And so people thought it was like Emerald Fanell, who

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Speaker 1: which is they say, loosely inspired by Emily Brontes in

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Speaker 1: And I think Emerald's response to that was like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this movie is huge. So first of all, there was

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Speaker 1: So we have Margo Robbie playing Kathy Catherine and Shaw

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Speaker 1: All the news around this movie has come in huge waves.

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Speaker 1: First of all, there was the idea that Emerald for now,

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Speaker 1: distinct filmmaker that the next thing she was going to

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Speaker 1: tackle was Wathering Heights. Do you know how old you

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Speaker 1: a representation of Heathcliff's feelings. Very good, Rachel, Phoebe, have

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Speaker 1: to experience this story for the first time. Huge. So

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Speaker 1: then there was the whole thing about Margot Robbie and

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Speaker 1: sense because obviously she and Emerald Fanell have had a

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Speaker 1: sense except for being a blonde, thirty six year old woman.

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Speaker 1: the point. Because there's so many film versions of Wuthering Heights,

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Speaker 1: And again I know people say, like, oh, that you

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Speaker 1: And it's like a casting thing that has, I guess,

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Speaker 1: And that is a conversation that's been ongoing because like

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Speaker 1: to set, they started filming this vomit inducing movie apparently,

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00:18:46,314 --> 00:18:50,033
Speaker 1: and just became like, yeah, completely codependent and obsessed with

422
00:18:50,114 --> 00:18:52,553
Speaker 1: each other. And I guess like, like, obviously there's other

423
00:18:52,634 --> 00:18:54,914
Speaker 1: characters and Wathering Heights who have big moments, but like

424
00:18:54,954 --> 00:18:57,754
Speaker 1: it really is between them, like that's their story and

425
00:18:57,794 --> 00:19:01,234
Speaker 1: there's so much writing on their performances and anyway, that's

426
00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:03,474
Speaker 1: where we are. We'll be able to see this relationship

427
00:19:03,554 --> 00:19:06,513
Speaker 1: up close firsthand because they're coming to Australia for the

428
00:19:06,554 --> 00:19:08,994
Speaker 1: premiere and we're going to the premiere and we're going

429
00:19:09,034 --> 00:19:10,594
Speaker 1: to be in the room and should we just like

430
00:19:10,714 --> 00:19:15,033
Speaker 1: live Tina. Tina gets angles of people when we're in

431
00:19:15,114 --> 00:19:17,154
Speaker 1: rooms with celebrity, So Tina's going to film. We'll do

432
00:19:17,194 --> 00:19:19,313
Speaker 1: a recap. It'll just be so exciting, so we all

433
00:19:19,354 --> 00:19:21,794
Speaker 1: to tell you how they actually interact in person. Yes,

434
00:19:22,114 --> 00:19:24,314
Speaker 1: and we'll actually once and for all what the hell

435
00:19:24,314 --> 00:19:27,194
Speaker 1: on this movie is going to be because it's certainly

436
00:19:27,234 --> 00:19:29,954
Speaker 1: not book So Weathering Heights is coming out in Australia

437
00:19:29,954 --> 00:19:33,794
Speaker 1: on Thursday, the twelfth of February. Marketing calendars. Yeah, get

438
00:19:33,834 --> 00:19:39,914
Speaker 1: ready to be sick apparently. Well, onto another important topic,

439
00:19:40,074 --> 00:19:41,794
Speaker 1: one of the most important topics of the year, i'd

440
00:19:41,834 --> 00:19:45,634
Speaker 1: say so heated rivalry, something we've never discussed on this

441
00:19:45,674 --> 00:19:48,434
Speaker 1: pot we've never discussed in real life. Oh, I don't

442
00:19:48,434 --> 00:19:51,553
Speaker 1: show you today, it's never happened. Just in case we

443
00:19:51,594 --> 00:19:53,514
Speaker 1: have any new listers in the mix. It's obviously all

444
00:19:53,514 --> 00:19:56,234
Speaker 1: we've been talking about since the end of last year

445
00:19:56,234 --> 00:19:58,434
Speaker 1: when it came out, so it has taken over our lives.

446
00:19:58,474 --> 00:20:00,314
Speaker 1: We're not getting into the plot or the shory thing.

447
00:20:00,554 --> 00:20:03,034
Speaker 1: We did an incredible, brudely honest review on the show

448
00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:05,114
Speaker 1: that takes you through the whole season. We'll link that,

449
00:20:05,234 --> 00:20:08,234
Speaker 1: But now we're talking about the cast. Yes, which is

450
00:20:08,274 --> 00:20:11,114
Speaker 1: something that you're very familiar with, because I do believe

451
00:20:11,114 --> 00:20:13,714
Speaker 1: you spend all your time tracking these hot men, which

452
00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:15,714
Speaker 1: is a great use of your timely but it's not

453
00:20:15,754 --> 00:20:17,514
Speaker 1: even up to me at this point, Like I woke

454
00:20:17,594 --> 00:20:19,674
Speaker 1: up this morning and the first thing I saw was

455
00:20:19,714 --> 00:20:22,154
Speaker 1: like fifty different angles of one of the stars, Hudson

456
00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:24,593
Speaker 1: Williams in Milan for fashion Week. What I mean, it's

457
00:20:24,714 --> 00:20:26,513
Speaker 1: up to you. That's your algorithm, because that's all you

458
00:20:26,554 --> 00:20:28,834
Speaker 1: look about or you post, like I would also choose

459
00:20:28,834 --> 00:20:31,394
Speaker 1: to see it, but I'm not getting anything else at

460
00:20:31,394 --> 00:20:33,114
Speaker 1: this point, Like there is no other content. I have

461
00:20:33,194 --> 00:20:35,594
Speaker 1: to actively in my day search for other things, Like

462
00:20:35,674 --> 00:20:37,994
Speaker 1: my phone is just like you, like heated rivalry, and

463
00:20:38,034 --> 00:20:40,354
Speaker 1: that is it. That's it. So again, if anyone here

464
00:20:40,474 --> 00:20:42,994
Speaker 1: is from another planet, first of all, Welcome. Everyone on

465
00:20:43,034 --> 00:20:45,234
Speaker 1: Earth is obsessed with the show Welcome to Earth. We're

466
00:20:45,234 --> 00:20:47,513
Speaker 1: all obsessed with a show called Heated Rivalry, which is

467
00:20:47,514 --> 00:20:50,794
Speaker 1: about two hockey players on different teams, two men who

468
00:20:50,794 --> 00:20:53,033
Speaker 1: are madly in love. Based on a book series, the

469
00:20:53,074 --> 00:20:54,954
Speaker 1: show is the buzziest thing in the world at the moment.

470
00:20:55,354 --> 00:20:59,234
Speaker 1: The stars of it have become international household names overnight.

471
00:20:59,274 --> 00:21:02,194
Speaker 1: Everyone's obsessed with them. Where I left yourself last time

472
00:21:02,514 --> 00:21:05,194
Speaker 1: is that everyone's obsessed with the stars of the show.

473
00:21:05,794 --> 00:21:08,754
Speaker 1: They're having a great time being famous. You know, there

474
00:21:08,754 --> 00:21:10,954
Speaker 1: were some questions around, like as anyone who gets famous,

475
00:21:10,994 --> 00:21:12,914
Speaker 1: like who are they dating, what's happening, all that sort

476
00:21:12,954 --> 00:21:14,554
Speaker 1: of stuff, And I thought we kind of just left

477
00:21:14,554 --> 00:21:17,114
Speaker 1: it there on the sambiguous note, And then you brought

478
00:21:17,154 --> 00:21:19,794
Speaker 1: my attention to the fact that we have a real

479
00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:24,754
Speaker 1: life love story unfolding from Heated Rivalry. Maybe potentially potentially

480
00:21:25,554 --> 00:21:28,553
Speaker 1: potentially Okay, so this is the biggest story of my

481
00:21:28,634 --> 00:21:32,553
Speaker 1: life currently. But one of the leading stars of the

482
00:21:32,594 --> 00:21:35,994
Speaker 1: series is Connor Story. He plays Ilia Rosenoff. He's just

483
00:21:36,274 --> 00:21:39,874
Speaker 1: the most bubbly, beautiful, lovely guy. He was working famously

484
00:21:39,874 --> 00:21:42,793
Speaker 1: not Russian, not Russian. Shocked from many of fans, so

485
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:44,793
Speaker 1: many people that he was and in real life, like

486
00:21:44,794 --> 00:21:46,194
Speaker 1: he was a model, He was a waiter. He was

487
00:21:46,234 --> 00:21:47,714
Speaker 1: trying to get into acting for so long, so this

488
00:21:47,794 --> 00:21:50,073
Speaker 1: is his breakout rock. Yeah, he was literally waiting tables

489
00:21:50,114 --> 00:21:52,554
Speaker 1: when he got the tool that he'd be in the show.

490
00:21:52,634 --> 00:21:55,234
Speaker 1: He almost got fired, he revealed at the Golden Globes,

491
00:21:55,234 --> 00:21:57,274
Speaker 1: like he almost got fired that day, and he went

492
00:21:57,314 --> 00:21:58,914
Speaker 1: back to his locker to get his phone and they

493
00:21:58,914 --> 00:22:00,794
Speaker 1: were like you book heeated rivalry, and then he went

494
00:22:00,834 --> 00:22:02,793
Speaker 1: and quit. But he was also like so sweet that

495
00:22:02,834 --> 00:22:04,834
Speaker 1: he's like that whole manager. I was baud at my job.

496
00:22:04,874 --> 00:22:07,273
Speaker 1: They were right, Oh my god, I ended him. I

497
00:22:07,274 --> 00:22:09,394
Speaker 1: wanted him to like re enact Bridget Joones and like

498
00:22:09,434 --> 00:22:11,794
Speaker 1: walk out of there to like respect playing he works

499
00:22:11,834 --> 00:22:14,513
Speaker 1: for more time. He worked for another few weeks to

500
00:22:14,594 --> 00:22:17,954
Speaker 1: like wrap up Angel. So sweet boy Angel amongst us,

501
00:22:17,954 --> 00:22:20,074
Speaker 1: we love him dearly. And then on the other end,

502
00:22:20,354 --> 00:22:24,714
Speaker 1: we've also got Francois Arnot who's like a bit more established,

503
00:22:24,834 --> 00:22:26,554
Speaker 1: not a bit more quite established. He's been in a

504
00:22:26,554 --> 00:22:29,234
Speaker 1: lot of big shows and productions, so he has been

505
00:22:29,234 --> 00:22:31,194
Speaker 1: working for a long time, but is also yeah, blowing

506
00:22:31,274 --> 00:22:33,514
Speaker 1: up with this show. As they all are, and as

507
00:22:33,514 --> 00:22:35,634
Speaker 1: you said, there was a lot of prying into personal lives,

508
00:22:35,634 --> 00:22:38,474
Speaker 1: some of which definitely crossed boundaries. But one of the

509
00:22:38,514 --> 00:22:42,154
Speaker 1: things that has slowly started to make itself, I don't know,

510
00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:47,474
Speaker 1: apparent through little videos, little pictures, is that Connor and

511
00:22:47,554 --> 00:22:50,794
Speaker 1: Francois are rumored to be dating. Okay, I know that

512
00:22:50,834 --> 00:22:52,474
Speaker 1: we should let them have their privacy, and I'm all

513
00:22:52,514 --> 00:22:54,874
Speaker 1: for that. I again, I would not chase them through

514
00:22:54,914 --> 00:22:57,394
Speaker 1: an airsport or which people have been doing. Yeah, I

515
00:22:57,394 --> 00:22:59,634
Speaker 1: would not photograph them a restaurant people have been doing.

516
00:22:59,834 --> 00:23:02,234
Speaker 1: I would not post anything weird on the internet about them,

517
00:23:02,234 --> 00:23:04,114
Speaker 1: which people have been doing. But I'll just say here

518
00:23:04,154 --> 00:23:05,914
Speaker 1: in the private between you and me and the listeners

519
00:23:06,194 --> 00:23:08,994
Speaker 1: that I hope this is true. Oh yeah, oh my god,

520
00:23:09,034 --> 00:23:11,514
Speaker 1: I hope this is true. Huge and beautiful and wonderful.

521
00:23:12,274 --> 00:23:16,314
Speaker 1: Those two hot, sexy, famous, talented men are falling deeply

522
00:23:16,354 --> 00:23:18,754
Speaker 1: in love. That's all I want, exactly, and I think

523
00:23:18,794 --> 00:23:21,034
Speaker 1: you want them to be together truly. The knowledge that

524
00:23:21,074 --> 00:23:24,474
Speaker 1: they could could be a couple that got me through Christmas.

525
00:23:25,114 --> 00:23:27,354
Speaker 1: I was like, love is real on TV and maybe

526
00:23:27,354 --> 00:23:29,234
Speaker 1: the world you could say, that's going to tide me

527
00:23:29,274 --> 00:23:30,434
Speaker 1: over for the rest of my life. I don't care

528
00:23:30,474 --> 00:23:31,874
Speaker 1: if I never date again, as long as they find

529
00:23:31,914 --> 00:23:35,674
Speaker 1: life fine. And that's the correct reaction. Yeah, I just say,

530
00:23:35,754 --> 00:23:38,714
Speaker 1: that's the core reaction to see these photos of them together,

531
00:23:38,754 --> 00:23:40,474
Speaker 1: to see them posting each other on social and be

532
00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:43,594
Speaker 1: like that is so sweet. I hope they're happy. I

533
00:23:43,674 --> 00:23:45,594
Speaker 1: love their show and it is one of the all

534
00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:47,674
Speaker 1: things not reacted like that, right, Yeah, Like it's one

535
00:23:47,674 --> 00:23:49,754
Speaker 1: of those things as well, with like say like Spider

536
00:23:49,794 --> 00:23:51,994
Speaker 1: Man and Zendea and Tom Holland, or like Game of Thrones,

537
00:23:52,074 --> 00:23:54,834
Speaker 1: Kit Harrington and Rose Leslie, Like when you're in something

538
00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:56,874
Speaker 1: that is this big, yeah, and you end up together.

539
00:23:56,914 --> 00:23:59,954
Speaker 1: There is a natural curiosity for fans, right, Fans get excited.

540
00:23:59,954 --> 00:24:02,034
Speaker 1: They want to see it. Like there's a lot of

541
00:24:02,114 --> 00:24:04,554
Speaker 1: questioning over PAP moments and things that could be happening,

542
00:24:04,594 --> 00:24:06,994
Speaker 1: and sometimes fans are wrong sometimes, yeah, a lot of them.

543
00:24:07,314 --> 00:24:08,754
Speaker 1: A lot of the time they piece the clues together

544
00:24:08,754 --> 00:24:11,554
Speaker 1: and it's not real. But sometimes in those rare, beautiful moments,

545
00:24:11,554 --> 00:24:13,234
Speaker 1: it is. And the reaction is like, hey, I know,

546
00:24:13,274 --> 00:24:15,234
Speaker 1: we don't want to pry too much on your personal lives,

547
00:24:15,234 --> 00:24:18,114
Speaker 1: but this is the best thing that's ever hated us. However,

548
00:24:18,154 --> 00:24:20,033
Speaker 1: there's a section of the fandom that has not reacted

549
00:24:20,074 --> 00:24:22,954
Speaker 1: that way to this rumor, yeah, and have instead chosen

550
00:24:22,994 --> 00:24:25,554
Speaker 1: to go the route of like harassment and bullying and

551
00:24:25,634 --> 00:24:29,874
Speaker 1: sending death threats to Francois. So I hate that. I

552
00:24:29,874 --> 00:24:31,273
Speaker 1: know it's not a hot take, that's just thing, but

553
00:24:31,914 --> 00:24:35,394
Speaker 1: that's discussing. Imagine watching this incredible show that everyone loves

554
00:24:35,394 --> 00:24:37,914
Speaker 1: and reading the book that has a huge fandom, and

555
00:24:38,274 --> 00:24:42,194
Speaker 1: watching these performers be so well received by the fandom

556
00:24:42,234 --> 00:24:44,354
Speaker 1: and having the time in their lives. Imagine seeing all

557
00:24:44,434 --> 00:24:46,474
Speaker 1: that and being like, I'm going to get online and

558
00:24:46,514 --> 00:24:48,834
Speaker 1: post awful things about them, yeah, and then send them

559
00:24:48,914 --> 00:24:52,033
Speaker 1: death threats? In what world? Does that? Where your mind goes?

560
00:24:52,114 --> 00:24:54,874
Speaker 1: And the normal reaction again should be oh my god,

561
00:24:54,914 --> 00:24:56,914
Speaker 1: I saw this thing happen, telling my friends who also

562
00:24:56,914 --> 00:24:58,354
Speaker 1: watched Tea the library and going, you know what, that

563
00:24:58,394 --> 00:25:00,273
Speaker 1: would be so cute? End it there, yeah, end it

564
00:25:00,314 --> 00:25:01,794
Speaker 1: Like that's it. Keep it to the group that's always

565
00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:03,834
Speaker 1: say you can talk about stuff, obviously we do here.

566
00:25:04,154 --> 00:25:08,914
Speaker 1: Keep it to your podcast or platform and whatever your

567
00:25:08,914 --> 00:25:11,514
Speaker 1: platform may entail, and just keep it light, keep it breezy.

568
00:25:11,794 --> 00:25:14,313
Speaker 1: But obviously people haven't kept it breezy and have been

569
00:25:14,314 --> 00:25:16,914
Speaker 1: attacking him online to the point where they're aacking friends

570
00:25:16,914 --> 00:25:19,834
Speaker 1: wise attacking Francois. So it's mostly directed by Francois because

571
00:25:19,834 --> 00:25:21,994
Speaker 1: he's older. So, first of all, the tone is insane

572
00:25:22,034 --> 00:25:25,513
Speaker 1: to me because he's forty years old. Can can we

573
00:25:25,554 --> 00:25:28,074
Speaker 1: all calm down? That's not old? Because also the thing

574
00:25:28,114 --> 00:25:30,434
Speaker 1: with this is, like I see so many twenty year

575
00:25:30,434 --> 00:25:33,754
Speaker 1: olds fangirling over Sebastian Stan over Chris Evans, also in

576
00:25:33,754 --> 00:25:35,714
Speaker 1: their forties. We don't jump at the chance to date

577
00:25:35,794 --> 00:25:39,154
Speaker 1: them as I would chance to date Francois, And plenty

578
00:25:39,154 --> 00:25:41,034
Speaker 1: of men in their forties date women in their twenties

579
00:25:41,074 --> 00:25:44,034
Speaker 1: and exactly, and people get very excited about this. Yes,

580
00:25:44,114 --> 00:25:46,234
Speaker 1: people get through yeah, exactly. And so there was a

581
00:25:46,234 --> 00:25:48,914
Speaker 1: weird backlash to the element of his age, like people

582
00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:51,114
Speaker 1: suggesting that it could be his late twenties, right, he's

583
00:25:51,114 --> 00:25:54,514
Speaker 1: not the mid twenties, but he's an adult. Like say,

584
00:25:54,514 --> 00:25:57,194
Speaker 1: it's fine. I'm gonna say fine. I'm sure they're happy

585
00:25:57,234 --> 00:25:59,634
Speaker 1: with whatever their decision is, if that's their decision. Yeah.

586
00:25:59,674 --> 00:26:01,674
Speaker 1: But so obviously at first it was just a few pictures,

587
00:26:01,674 --> 00:26:03,434
Speaker 1: but then over the course of like the last week

588
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:06,194
Speaker 1: because they were doing more interviews. Francois was in New

589
00:26:06,234 --> 00:26:07,994
Speaker 1: York with Connor, and yeah, they were getting chased down

590
00:26:08,034 --> 00:26:10,714
Speaker 1: the street, photograph going to the airport together, photographed in

591
00:26:10,714 --> 00:26:12,634
Speaker 1: restaurants and all that kind of stuff. And then that

592
00:26:12,634 --> 00:26:17,354
Speaker 1: culminated with Francois unfollowing the two heated rivalrymin stars Hudson

593
00:26:17,394 --> 00:26:21,273
Speaker 1: and Connor and the creator Jacob Tierney on Instagram, and

594
00:26:21,314 --> 00:26:23,754
Speaker 1: so then that blew it up obviously of people being like,

595
00:26:23,794 --> 00:26:27,194
Speaker 1: he's unfollowed everyone, and he's addressed that. Yeah, and it's

596
00:26:27,234 --> 00:26:29,593
Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've ever heard. I really love this man,

597
00:26:29,634 --> 00:26:31,394
Speaker 1: by the way, if you couldn't already tell, but like

598
00:26:31,394 --> 00:26:33,794
Speaker 1: his press interviews have just been top notch for every

599
00:26:33,874 --> 00:26:36,073
Speaker 1: element of everything, like the way he's addressed the scrutiny

600
00:26:36,074 --> 00:26:38,634
Speaker 1: and everything's great. But he was like, I'm actually trying

601
00:26:38,634 --> 00:26:41,074
Speaker 1: to unfollow everyone on my Instagram and I didn't know

602
00:26:41,114 --> 00:26:43,513
Speaker 1: there was a limit. Yeah. So he gave an interview

603
00:26:43,554 --> 00:26:45,674
Speaker 1: today about a wide ranging bunch of stuff, including this

604
00:26:45,714 --> 00:26:47,594
Speaker 1: fan harassment, but one of the things was where you

605
00:26:47,634 --> 00:26:50,033
Speaker 1: trying to make a statement by on following the cast

606
00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:52,594
Speaker 1: to like show everyone that they need to back off,

607
00:26:52,594 --> 00:26:54,394
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I actually I want to unfollow

608
00:26:54,394 --> 00:26:58,994
Speaker 1: everyone on Instagram except Amnesty International. And I didn't realize

609
00:26:59,194 --> 00:27:01,273
Speaker 1: them for me, and I didn't realize that you couldn't

610
00:27:01,274 --> 00:27:03,594
Speaker 1: do that. I can't follow everyone. He had just done

611
00:27:03,594 --> 00:27:06,034
Speaker 1: followed his heated rivalry Coasters and now he's refollowed them,

612
00:27:06,034 --> 00:27:08,914
Speaker 1: but he did issue a warm everyone. He's gonna unfollow

613
00:27:08,954 --> 00:27:10,833
Speaker 1: them again at some stage when he figures out how

614
00:27:10,874 --> 00:27:13,074
Speaker 1: to do that. Sure, he needs to call tailorsis so

615
00:27:13,154 --> 00:27:15,073
Speaker 1: he does she follows because all the stars, yeah, they

616
00:27:15,074 --> 00:27:16,634
Speaker 1: do a little sweet. So he's got to get someone

617
00:27:16,714 --> 00:27:18,994
Speaker 1: from Meta involved if anyone at Meta is willing to

618
00:27:19,034 --> 00:27:21,514
Speaker 1: help him out. So he spoke to the Toronto Star

619
00:27:21,794 --> 00:27:24,313
Speaker 1: and that's where he made the big Instagram reveal. But

620
00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:26,114
Speaker 1: he also said that like he's having to move to

621
00:27:26,154 --> 00:27:28,513
Speaker 1: a secure building with a doorman as a result of

622
00:27:28,594 --> 00:27:30,754
Speaker 1: being followed around and things like that, And he did

623
00:27:30,754 --> 00:27:32,394
Speaker 1: say like the rise to fame has been incredible but

624
00:27:32,434 --> 00:27:35,634
Speaker 1: also scary. He said he's always valued normalcy, but there

625
00:27:35,714 --> 00:27:38,394
Speaker 1: is obviously an adjustment period here. And then when he

626
00:27:38,434 --> 00:27:40,114
Speaker 1: was asked about the fans, this is what he had

627
00:27:40,154 --> 00:27:43,634
Speaker 1: to say. In general, fans have been incredibly positive and respectful.

628
00:27:43,714 --> 00:27:45,273
Speaker 1: For the ones that aren't, I think it's a lot

629
00:27:45,314 --> 00:27:47,954
Speaker 1: of younger fans who don't understand the difference between reality

630
00:27:47,954 --> 00:27:50,594
Speaker 1: and fiction. I honestly wish they would just rewatch the

631
00:27:50,594 --> 00:27:52,914
Speaker 1: show because it doesn't seem like they got its message,

632
00:27:53,034 --> 00:27:55,674
Speaker 1: pay attention more closely. Did we watch the same show?

633
00:27:55,914 --> 00:27:57,874
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a good point. The whole

634
00:27:57,914 --> 00:28:01,234
Speaker 1: point is about these men who are in love and

635
00:28:01,234 --> 00:28:04,194
Speaker 1: in his relationships trying not to get like decimated by

636
00:28:04,274 --> 00:28:07,834
Speaker 1: public opinion and having like this kind of yes scrutiny

637
00:28:07,874 --> 00:28:09,994
Speaker 1: on their relationships. Yeah, all theseople who say I love

638
00:28:10,074 --> 00:28:11,874
Speaker 1: this show and then attack them, it's like did you

639
00:28:11,914 --> 00:28:13,834
Speaker 1: watch it? It's like, did you actually see this show?

640
00:28:14,034 --> 00:28:17,114
Speaker 1: Did you resonate with its message whatsoever? Or like, what's

641
00:28:17,114 --> 00:28:19,954
Speaker 1: your problem? So I think it's really interesting that he

642
00:28:19,994 --> 00:28:21,834
Speaker 1: has addressed it, because he's been very like upfront and

643
00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:24,394
Speaker 1: honest about everything he's been asked so far. But he

644
00:28:24,514 --> 00:28:26,634
Speaker 1: has sort of, yeah, said he wants to pull back

645
00:28:26,674 --> 00:28:28,474
Speaker 1: a bit. So in an interview with like the Hollywood

646
00:28:28,474 --> 00:28:30,994
Speaker 1: Reporter before Christmas, he said he would temporarily delete his

647
00:28:31,074 --> 00:28:33,274
Speaker 1: Instagram and things like that, and he just said he's

648
00:28:33,314 --> 00:28:35,313
Speaker 1: looking forward to them getting back to the art. He

649
00:28:35,354 --> 00:28:37,794
Speaker 1: wants them to get back to their jobs and two

650
00:28:38,394 --> 00:28:40,474
Speaker 1: and all of that kind of content because it's just

651
00:28:40,514 --> 00:28:42,394
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. And like, I know we're sitting here,

652
00:28:42,394 --> 00:28:44,154
Speaker 1: as we said, being like, I really love this if

653
00:28:44,194 --> 00:28:46,674
Speaker 1: it's true, Like I don't want to dig into someone's

654
00:28:46,714 --> 00:28:50,074
Speaker 1: personal life that doesn't want that. Also of two people

655
00:28:50,074 --> 00:28:52,874
Speaker 1: holding hands, lovely and sweet exactly, I don't eat more

656
00:28:52,874 --> 00:28:54,274
Speaker 1: than that. Yes, we're talking in a pod. But you

657
00:28:54,314 --> 00:28:55,914
Speaker 1: know what, I feel really safe in saying, I've never

658
00:28:55,954 --> 00:28:59,034
Speaker 1: chased anyone down the street. No, I don't taken photos

659
00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:02,674
Speaker 1: of celebrities in public private places. Could have have been

660
00:29:02,714 --> 00:29:04,434
Speaker 1: in many a private place where the slab could have

661
00:29:04,434 --> 00:29:07,074
Speaker 1: taken a very salicious photo, made myself some money. Never did,

662
00:29:07,714 --> 00:29:10,034
Speaker 1: have never written a death throat to anyone or a

663
00:29:10,154 --> 00:29:13,194
Speaker 1: nasty comment or anything. Yeah, it can be done. It

664
00:29:13,674 --> 00:29:15,394
Speaker 1: can be done to like a show and not and

665
00:29:15,434 --> 00:29:17,874
Speaker 1: like a character and like an actor and not wish

666
00:29:17,954 --> 00:29:20,594
Speaker 1: them dead. Yes, And I think the problem I mean,

667
00:29:20,634 --> 00:29:22,954
Speaker 1: obviously so many problems here, but one of the issues

668
00:29:22,994 --> 00:29:24,354
Speaker 1: as well is that this has come off the back

669
00:29:24,474 --> 00:29:27,354
Speaker 1: of when this show first started airing, people trying to

670
00:29:27,394 --> 00:29:29,954
Speaker 1: dig into the personal lives of Connor and of Hudson

671
00:29:30,274 --> 00:29:32,994
Speaker 1: to find out whether or not they were queer, and

672
00:29:33,474 --> 00:29:36,354
Speaker 1: to essentially force them into coming out if they were,

673
00:29:36,474 --> 00:29:38,674
Speaker 1: because there were some people watching the show who didn't

674
00:29:38,674 --> 00:29:40,714
Speaker 1: think it was okay for the actors to be playing

675
00:29:41,354 --> 00:29:43,874
Speaker 1: gay or bisexual roles if they weren't themselves. And this

676
00:29:43,954 --> 00:29:45,594
Speaker 1: is the thing we see quite a lot, and that's

677
00:29:45,634 --> 00:29:48,794
Speaker 1: where that ridiculous discussion of like actors queer baiting comes up,

678
00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:51,474
Speaker 1: which is not a thing people can do, and Jacob

679
00:29:51,514 --> 00:29:54,514
Speaker 1: Tierney kind of shut it down when the conversation first rose.

680
00:29:54,594 --> 00:29:56,154
Speaker 1: He was like, I don't want to get into that.

681
00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:57,754
Speaker 1: He's like, first of all, it's illegal to actually ask

682
00:29:57,754 --> 00:29:59,914
Speaker 1: someone their sexuality when they apply for a role. So no,

683
00:29:59,994 --> 00:30:01,794
Speaker 1: I didn't cast based on whether they were in real

684
00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:03,954
Speaker 1: life or not, because that's not my job. My job

685
00:30:04,034 --> 00:30:06,994
Speaker 1: was to tell this story, make it right, make it beautiful,

686
00:30:07,114 --> 00:30:09,234
Speaker 1: make sure it was like a lovely queer story. And

687
00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:10,994
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't care about

688
00:30:11,034 --> 00:30:12,914
Speaker 1: the personal lives with the actors, And both of the

689
00:30:12,954 --> 00:30:15,514
Speaker 1: actors have said, hey, we're suddenly really famous and we

690
00:30:15,594 --> 00:30:18,714
Speaker 1: just want to let our personal lives be our personal lives,

691
00:30:19,074 --> 00:30:21,354
Speaker 1: and it's just, yeah, it's a thing we expected to see,

692
00:30:21,354 --> 00:30:24,634
Speaker 1: but it's really disappointing to keep seeing it. Because they

693
00:30:24,634 --> 00:30:26,954
Speaker 1: committed to these roles, they brought a great story to life.

694
00:30:26,994 --> 00:30:28,674
Speaker 1: We don't need to dig into their personal lives and

695
00:30:28,714 --> 00:30:30,514
Speaker 1: try to force people to come out if they're not

696
00:30:30,554 --> 00:30:34,354
Speaker 1: ready to as well, or if they're worried about Hollywood,

697
00:30:34,354 --> 00:30:37,514
Speaker 1: which is still not a place that's particularly accepting all

698
00:30:37,554 --> 00:30:39,874
Speaker 1: of the time of gay people. One that's the thing,

699
00:30:40,114 --> 00:30:42,074
Speaker 1: and we saw this with Kick Connor with Heart Stopper,

700
00:30:42,114 --> 00:30:44,674
Speaker 1: who was younger than they were. But also he says

701
00:30:44,714 --> 00:30:47,154
Speaker 1: he felt forced to come out as bisexual because when

702
00:30:47,154 --> 00:30:48,714
Speaker 1: he was in Heart Stopper, which if you don't know,

703
00:30:48,794 --> 00:30:51,274
Speaker 1: is like a Netflix show about these teen boys in

704
00:30:51,314 --> 00:30:54,714
Speaker 1: school figuring out their sexuality, and then he felt after

705
00:30:54,754 --> 00:30:56,314
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons that he was pressured to come

706
00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,074
Speaker 1: out because people were like, well, you can't play the

707
00:30:58,154 --> 00:31:00,994
Speaker 1: role if you get this is the hard thing, because like,

708
00:31:01,034 --> 00:31:03,754
Speaker 1: I love fandoms more than anything else. If I see

709
00:31:03,794 --> 00:31:06,234
Speaker 1: something has a fandom, I'm more likely to want to

710
00:31:06,234 --> 00:31:08,914
Speaker 1: go and consume that that I am if something is

711
00:31:08,954 --> 00:31:12,474
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed, because fandom is something like those people don't

712
00:31:12,514 --> 00:31:14,354
Speaker 1: make money from it. They don't like it's not part

713
00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:16,794
Speaker 1: of their job. It's just being like, we love this

714
00:31:16,874 --> 00:31:19,354
Speaker 1: thing so much, so I'm more drawn to fandoms than

715
00:31:19,394 --> 00:31:22,634
Speaker 1: anything else. But I also think it's become this thing

716
00:31:22,834 --> 00:31:27,394
Speaker 1: where once a show becomes really popular and establishes a fandom,

717
00:31:27,754 --> 00:31:31,074
Speaker 1: then it ultimately becomes really toxic. And it's not a

718
00:31:31,114 --> 00:31:34,394
Speaker 1: new thing. Like I remember stars from The Vampire Diaries,

719
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,754
Speaker 1: from that universe that TV show saying years after, like

720
00:31:37,754 --> 00:31:39,994
Speaker 1: they still do fan appearances and stuff, but saying the

721
00:31:40,034 --> 00:31:43,594
Speaker 1: thing that really soured the show was that toxicity grew

722
00:31:43,634 --> 00:31:46,714
Speaker 1: and that fandom like a disease, yes, and that disease

723
00:31:46,834 --> 00:31:50,674
Speaker 1: just overtook everything eventually where it kind of has forced

724
00:31:50,674 --> 00:31:52,714
Speaker 1: some of them like out of acting or like they

725
00:31:52,714 --> 00:31:54,914
Speaker 1: would love to speak more about it, but like they

726
00:31:54,914 --> 00:31:58,234
Speaker 1: can't go near that because the fandom became so terrible,

727
00:31:58,434 --> 00:32:00,554
Speaker 1: and we're even seeing it now with stranger things like

728
00:32:00,594 --> 00:32:03,554
Speaker 1: obviously people A lot of people didn't like the finale

729
00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:06,194
Speaker 1: and were very upset when a secret episode didn't air,

730
00:32:06,714 --> 00:32:10,074
Speaker 1: And I was literally watching because Finn Wolfhart posted SNL

731
00:32:10,394 --> 00:32:12,714
Speaker 1: this last weekend, so a lot of the casts from

732
00:32:12,754 --> 00:32:14,674
Speaker 1: Stranger Things were on the show, and then a lot

733
00:32:14,714 --> 00:32:16,634
Speaker 1: of them went to the after party, and I was

734
00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:18,714
Speaker 1: just watching videos of like some of the cast walking

735
00:32:18,714 --> 00:32:21,714
Speaker 1: into the after party and the Duffer brothers, who created

736
00:32:21,714 --> 00:32:24,914
Speaker 1: the show, walking into the party, and people just screaming

737
00:32:24,954 --> 00:32:28,154
Speaker 1: abuse at them over the show and screaming at them

738
00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:32,474
Speaker 1: and in this intense anger that has replaced just loving

739
00:32:32,474 --> 00:32:35,034
Speaker 1: a show, yeah, which is quite intense. Yeah, And I

740
00:32:35,034 --> 00:32:37,554
Speaker 1: think it does come down to everyone feels like they're

741
00:32:37,554 --> 00:32:40,394
Speaker 1: owed exactly what they wanted from all pop culture and

742
00:32:40,434 --> 00:32:42,594
Speaker 1: all celebrities at all time, and that's not a possible

743
00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:45,114
Speaker 1: thing for people to do. So, you know, the Duffer

744
00:32:45,154 --> 00:32:47,474
Speaker 1: Brothers couldn't please everyone. And I mean I had my

745
00:32:47,514 --> 00:32:49,874
Speaker 1: own opinions on that. Oh yeah, Nali, And there were

746
00:32:49,874 --> 00:32:51,674
Speaker 1: elements I left and I still love that last season,

747
00:32:51,794 --> 00:32:53,314
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to go to the street and

748
00:32:53,354 --> 00:32:56,234
Speaker 1: scream at the Daffer Brothers about it. I understand being

749
00:32:56,274 --> 00:32:58,514
Speaker 1: a kay to have an opinion or to be upset

750
00:32:58,634 --> 00:33:00,594
Speaker 1: or to want to ask questions, but it's not okay

751
00:33:00,634 --> 00:33:03,354
Speaker 1: to treat people like either there to serve you exactly

752
00:33:03,354 --> 00:33:05,594
Speaker 1: what you want, or be if they don't like they

753
00:33:05,634 --> 00:33:08,714
Speaker 1: deserve your abuse for it. Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting

754
00:33:08,754 --> 00:33:11,154
Speaker 1: line that's being crossed of people. Because again, I'm not

755
00:33:11,194 --> 00:33:13,274
Speaker 1: being holier than now that like my thoughts are perfect

756
00:33:13,314 --> 00:33:15,914
Speaker 1: all the time, because I have been angry at people

757
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,194
Speaker 1: who I'm a fandom girl, like I'm in so many

758
00:33:18,194 --> 00:33:20,834
Speaker 1: fandoms of course are my life. It's way more important

759
00:33:20,834 --> 00:33:23,194
Speaker 1: than my job. As you know, someone I'm a fan

760
00:33:23,234 --> 00:33:24,554
Speaker 1: of will come up and I'm like, I'm not interviewing

761
00:33:24,554 --> 00:33:27,394
Speaker 1: that person just because I just because I can't do it. Yeah,

762
00:33:27,434 --> 00:33:30,834
Speaker 1: because my fandom demands that I don't share space with them,

763
00:33:31,154 --> 00:33:33,714
Speaker 1: even though technically that's my job. Well not even technically

764
00:33:34,434 --> 00:33:37,794
Speaker 1: it's your job, my actual job description. But that's how

765
00:33:37,834 --> 00:33:40,034
Speaker 1: much of a fandom girl I am fandoms forever more

766
00:33:40,074 --> 00:33:42,754
Speaker 1: than anything else. And also I have had rage in

767
00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:45,714
Speaker 1: my heart at show creators, at writers, at actors when

768
00:33:45,714 --> 00:33:48,554
Speaker 1: things haven't gone my way, when you know a storyline

769
00:33:48,554 --> 00:33:50,834
Speaker 1: hasn't even something they've said in public, Like I understand

770
00:33:50,874 --> 00:33:53,354
Speaker 1: the rage. It has kept me up at nights. Oh yeah,

771
00:33:53,594 --> 00:33:55,834
Speaker 1: but again it's just I gotta draw a line with

772
00:33:55,874 --> 00:33:59,274
Speaker 1: a death threat, It's yeah, And it's you can have

773
00:33:59,394 --> 00:34:01,754
Speaker 1: rage at content and like as well as the people

774
00:34:01,754 --> 00:34:04,274
Speaker 1: who made the content. It's about the delivery and about

775
00:34:04,554 --> 00:34:06,434
Speaker 1: where you're placing that and what you're doing with that.

776
00:34:06,514 --> 00:34:09,194
Speaker 1: Start a podcast, startup podcast. It's actually none of you

777
00:34:09,274 --> 00:34:11,234
Speaker 1: if you have those opinions to be stuck. Not the

778
00:34:11,274 --> 00:34:13,914
Speaker 1: people who were chasing the death threat. The Duffer brothers

779
00:34:13,913 --> 00:34:17,834
Speaker 1: looked quite scared. They probably they probably are very intent.

780
00:34:17,994 --> 00:34:20,914
Speaker 1: If they had been watching the Conformity Gate thing where

781
00:34:20,794 --> 00:34:24,514
Speaker 1: the whole fed from around people thinking that that secret

782
00:34:24,834 --> 00:34:27,194
Speaker 1: finale was going to drop, I would be fearing for

783
00:34:27,234 --> 00:34:29,873
Speaker 1: my life stepping into the streets. Yeah. And like again,

784
00:34:29,914 --> 00:34:33,433
Speaker 1: friends were having to move from your home because of

785
00:34:33,474 --> 00:34:36,234
Speaker 1: how wild everyone is behaving towards you. It's just a

786
00:34:36,394 --> 00:34:39,474
Speaker 1: fun man, so lovely and great. And I think the

787
00:34:39,554 --> 00:34:41,314
Speaker 1: one good thing I tried to take out of any

788
00:34:41,314 --> 00:34:43,994
Speaker 1: of this crazy behavior is I'm like most fans of normal.

789
00:34:44,314 --> 00:34:46,394
Speaker 1: That's so true. It's always just a small but loud

790
00:34:46,554 --> 00:34:49,674
Speaker 1: group and we need them to shah. And the second

791
00:34:49,674 --> 00:34:52,194
Speaker 1: thing we take away is that if truth, this is beautiful,

792
00:34:52,234 --> 00:34:54,034
Speaker 1: this is beautiful. I want those hot men to be

793
00:34:54,114 --> 00:34:57,114
Speaker 1: together so badly if that's their choice. If that's their choice,

794
00:34:57,194 --> 00:34:59,794
Speaker 1: I will look from afar and have zero things to say.

795
00:34:59,874 --> 00:35:01,754
Speaker 1: I will just look with love hearts in my eyes.

796
00:35:02,114 --> 00:35:06,594
Speaker 1: Also creepy. Well, I'm sorry to say there are no

797
00:35:06,674 --> 00:35:10,513
Speaker 1: hot men in this next segment, which obviously the two

798
00:35:10,554 --> 00:35:13,354
Speaker 1: previous segments have. There is a hot girl and some

799
00:35:13,474 --> 00:35:18,514
Speaker 1: lessons Prussol and that's equally as important. So Amanda Seyfried,

800
00:35:18,674 --> 00:35:21,234
Speaker 1: who is doing the Awards Circle round at the moment

801
00:35:21,314 --> 00:35:24,393
Speaker 1: for her performance in the Testament of Anne Lee. So

802
00:35:24,394 --> 00:35:26,354
Speaker 1: she's obviously at the well, she's a double nominee at

803
00:35:26,354 --> 00:35:28,834
Speaker 1: the Golden Globes lost both happens to a lot of people.

804
00:35:28,994 --> 00:35:30,993
Speaker 1: She took it well. She looks a great cha. That's

805
00:35:30,994 --> 00:35:34,073
Speaker 1: the most important thing. She's in the mix for potentially

806
00:35:34,194 --> 00:35:36,913
Speaker 1: being in the Oscars race this year, although with how

807
00:35:36,954 --> 00:35:39,914
Speaker 1: the ballots are going, with how like the different campaigns

808
00:35:39,914 --> 00:35:41,594
Speaker 1: are going, and who's one like she's one of the

809
00:35:41,594 --> 00:35:43,513
Speaker 1: people who's like on the edge of like she might

810
00:35:43,514 --> 00:35:46,274
Speaker 1: get in, she she might not. And Oscar voting is

811
00:35:46,314 --> 00:35:48,874
Speaker 1: still open. So I also thought this was an interesting

812
00:35:48,954 --> 00:35:54,154
Speaker 1: tax to take for someone who is essentially in the

813
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:57,234
Speaker 1: midst of an Oscar campaign to do an interview like

814
00:35:57,274 --> 00:36:00,154
Speaker 1: this when people are voting, and one thing we kind

815
00:36:00,154 --> 00:36:01,794
Speaker 1: of know about the Academy is that they don't like

816
00:36:01,794 --> 00:36:04,314
Speaker 1: people being flippant about the Oscars. To then the oscars

817
00:36:04,354 --> 00:36:06,794
Speaker 1: are the most important thing in the world, and they

818
00:36:07,194 --> 00:36:09,674
Speaker 1: love people who kind of show that they really want

819
00:36:09,714 --> 00:36:11,873
Speaker 1: an Oscar and have a narrative, which she's kind of

820
00:36:11,874 --> 00:36:15,433
Speaker 1: dispelled with this interview that she's done with The New

821
00:36:15,514 --> 00:36:18,474
Speaker 1: Yorker where she was talking about being in the Oscar

822
00:36:18,554 --> 00:36:21,433
Speaker 1: Race and what the reality of that is. So in

823
00:36:21,474 --> 00:36:24,074
Speaker 1: this interview they were asking her if she wanted to

824
00:36:24,074 --> 00:36:25,873
Speaker 1: win an Oscar and if that was like her big goal.

825
00:36:26,194 --> 00:36:29,234
Speaker 1: And it's interesting. She has been nominated once before, in

826
00:36:29,314 --> 00:36:32,074
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one for her work in the movie MANC.

827
00:36:32,514 --> 00:36:35,714
Speaker 1: Do you remember MANK refreshment? No, I can't. I don't

828
00:36:35,714 --> 00:36:37,754
Speaker 1: remember anything about it because I got no no. But

829
00:36:37,834 --> 00:36:40,034
Speaker 1: I just this has proved the point that she says

830
00:36:40,114 --> 00:36:42,873
Speaker 1: right here, which is a lot of the time, the

831
00:36:42,914 --> 00:36:47,634
Speaker 1: Oscar movies are the movies that no one remembers afterwards.

832
00:36:47,634 --> 00:36:50,594
Speaker 1: Because I remember saying the word MANK about fifty thousand

833
00:36:50,674 --> 00:36:54,393
Speaker 1: times during twenty twenty one of that Oscar Race because

834
00:36:54,394 --> 00:36:56,674
Speaker 1: it was so in the mix. Haven't thought about it

835
00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:58,514
Speaker 1: since I think I definitely have seen it but I

836
00:36:58,514 --> 00:37:00,154
Speaker 1: don't know if I could get into the intricacies of

837
00:37:00,154 --> 00:37:03,234
Speaker 1: the plot, which is kind of what she's getting at

838
00:37:03,394 --> 00:37:07,114
Speaker 1: here when they're asking her if an Oscar Win an

839
00:37:07,154 --> 00:37:10,634
Speaker 1: nomination is kind of the pinnacle, and she very honestly

840
00:37:10,674 --> 00:37:13,513
Speaker 1: says it's not. So. What she said was that she's

841
00:37:13,554 --> 00:37:16,194
Speaker 1: gotten this far without an Academy award, So why would

842
00:37:16,194 --> 00:37:19,314
Speaker 1: I need one? Now? The woman's forty, She's got about

843
00:37:19,314 --> 00:37:21,714
Speaker 1: thirty years of her career. Yeah to go thirty forty

844
00:37:21,754 --> 00:37:24,754
Speaker 1: years left of her career to go? Yeah, so interesting.

845
00:37:24,794 --> 00:37:26,794
Speaker 1: She's like, I've gotten this far. I don't need it.

846
00:37:26,794 --> 00:37:29,154
Speaker 1: Cosman acting since she was a child, so fair enough.

847
00:37:29,714 --> 00:37:31,314
Speaker 1: And then she wanted to say, and I think this

848
00:37:31,354 --> 00:37:33,434
Speaker 1: is all a really fair call. She wanted to say,

849
00:37:33,754 --> 00:37:36,114
Speaker 1: do you remember who won in the past ten years.

850
00:37:36,354 --> 00:37:39,873
Speaker 1: It's not the win that's important, it's the nomination, which

851
00:37:39,874 --> 00:37:42,194
Speaker 1: again I think is very interesting. And then she said,

852
00:37:42,194 --> 00:37:45,314
Speaker 1: the nomination does thrust you forward, that's a fact. Now,

853
00:37:45,354 --> 00:37:47,674
Speaker 1: do I need one in a week or two whenever? No,

854
00:37:47,754 --> 00:37:49,834
Speaker 1: of course not, I don't. Would it be great, of

855
00:37:49,834 --> 00:37:52,674
Speaker 1: course it would for every reason, but it isn't necessary.

856
00:37:52,954 --> 00:37:56,634
Speaker 1: Longevity in an actor's career is designed longevity is about

857
00:37:56,634 --> 00:37:59,874
Speaker 1: deliberate choices to make art among the big commercial things

858
00:37:59,874 --> 00:38:02,114
Speaker 1: that are fun to play, which I also thought was interesting.

859
00:38:02,354 --> 00:38:04,474
Speaker 1: That's interesting one of those things that it's kind of

860
00:38:04,634 --> 00:38:07,594
Speaker 1: an accepted thing that a lot of actors do one

861
00:38:07,634 --> 00:38:09,194
Speaker 1: for me, one for you, so like the one for

862
00:38:09,274 --> 00:38:12,074
Speaker 1: me is like their artistic, smaller movie, and the one

863
00:38:12,114 --> 00:38:13,714
Speaker 1: for you is for the studio that makes some money

864
00:38:13,754 --> 00:38:15,234
Speaker 1: I mean, very on display at the end of the

865
00:38:15,274 --> 00:38:17,394
Speaker 1: year for her of like doing press for The Housemaid

866
00:38:17,434 --> 00:38:19,994
Speaker 1: and then doing press for The Testament of Family, very

867
00:38:20,034 --> 00:38:23,834
Speaker 1: different projects. Yeah, one hundred percent. And she was even

868
00:38:23,874 --> 00:38:26,034
Speaker 1: saying that even if she misses out on an Oscar

869
00:38:26,074 --> 00:38:29,834
Speaker 1: nomination this year, she feels she's already proven herself. And

870
00:38:30,314 --> 00:38:34,074
Speaker 1: she said she's making strides toward getting people to trust

871
00:38:34,074 --> 00:38:36,314
Speaker 1: me to do hard things, which I thought was interesting.

872
00:38:36,794 --> 00:38:38,714
Speaker 1: She also talked about the fact that and again I

873
00:38:38,754 --> 00:38:40,913
Speaker 1: love this kind of sense of honesty when she's getting

874
00:38:40,914 --> 00:38:43,354
Speaker 1: into box office because a lot of actors don't want

875
00:38:43,394 --> 00:38:45,114
Speaker 1: to discuss that, which I understand all of them are

876
00:38:45,154 --> 00:38:47,074
Speaker 1: like the business side of it is not for me,

877
00:38:47,154 --> 00:38:48,554
Speaker 1: Like they're like I get hired for a job, I

878
00:38:48,554 --> 00:38:50,954
Speaker 1: come to the job, I make art I make a project.

879
00:38:51,274 --> 00:38:53,554
Speaker 1: I'm not getting into the nitty gritty of box office.

880
00:38:53,754 --> 00:38:57,074
Speaker 1: But Amanda Seifried' said in this that I'm also sitting

881
00:38:57,114 --> 00:38:59,954
Speaker 1: pretty right now because The Housemaid made money, which is

882
00:38:59,954 --> 00:39:02,794
Speaker 1: her latest movie. She said that's not always the case.

883
00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:05,834
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're in Mamma Mia. Sometimes you do something like

884
00:39:05,914 --> 00:39:08,434
Speaker 1: Ted Too or A Million Ways to Die in the West.

885
00:39:08,754 --> 00:39:11,114
Speaker 1: She said, both of these movies were supposed to do

886
00:39:11,234 --> 00:39:15,234
Speaker 1: big box office and both underperformed. Crazy about Ted two

887
00:39:15,474 --> 00:39:18,953
Speaker 1: instead must have done I just assumed it did well. Well.

888
00:39:18,994 --> 00:39:20,554
Speaker 1: I was like, what other reason could there be for

889
00:39:20,594 --> 00:39:23,274
Speaker 1: Ted two? Well, the first movie did really well. Yeah,

890
00:39:23,274 --> 00:39:25,074
Speaker 1: so I just assumed, yes, icond did. Maybe we're just

891
00:39:25,074 --> 00:39:29,154
Speaker 1: like the jokes over okay, yeah, talking Well, they also

892
00:39:29,154 --> 00:39:31,834
Speaker 1: did a spin off series, yeah with the Kid from Parenthood,

893
00:39:31,834 --> 00:39:33,834
Speaker 1: which I will be honest, I have not watched because

894
00:39:33,834 --> 00:39:36,834
Speaker 1: I have I I don't need to see the shout

895
00:39:36,834 --> 00:39:39,393
Speaker 1: out to them, but yes, from Parenthood. Well, yeah, they

896
00:39:39,434 --> 00:39:42,314
Speaker 1: were trying to like start a franchise around Ted. And

897
00:39:42,354 --> 00:39:44,594
Speaker 1: I'm sure again, like the first movie made so much money,

898
00:39:44,594 --> 00:39:47,714
Speaker 1: you make a sequel. Obviously she replaced me Lacunas, But

899
00:39:48,034 --> 00:39:50,074
Speaker 1: you're kind of being like, yeah, I'll make this just

900
00:39:50,154 --> 00:39:52,994
Speaker 1: for box office, and then underperformed and then A Million

901
00:39:52,994 --> 00:39:57,114
Speaker 1: Ways to Die in the West, which what you think,

902
00:39:57,154 --> 00:40:00,754
Speaker 1: that's a great movie. So it's ridiculous, an absurd and

903
00:40:00,794 --> 00:40:02,314
Speaker 1: aw form, but like it just I think when it

904
00:40:02,354 --> 00:40:04,354
Speaker 1: came out it reminded me of those like Naked Gun

905
00:40:04,474 --> 00:40:07,314
Speaker 1: esque movies, which I know they've obviously recently rebooted. Those

906
00:40:07,314 --> 00:40:09,234
Speaker 1: were things that like I watched with my mum growing up,

907
00:40:10,194 --> 00:40:13,274
Speaker 1: like silly slapsticky things or like sarcastic bits, and like

908
00:40:13,354 --> 00:40:15,114
Speaker 1: I just didn't I thought Charlie's The Ron was really

909
00:40:15,114 --> 00:40:18,714
Speaker 1: fun in them, like, here's fun in that still winner

910
00:40:18,714 --> 00:40:20,914
Speaker 1: Schallie's They're on Oscar c I brought her back around

911
00:40:20,914 --> 00:40:23,794
Speaker 1: Oscar winner Shellie's They're on playing like a sassy old

912
00:40:23,834 --> 00:40:27,473
Speaker 1: timey woman. That's good fun. That is good that I

913
00:40:27,514 --> 00:40:30,034
Speaker 1: had good fun. I'll be honest, you bought the one

914
00:40:30,074 --> 00:40:32,874
Speaker 1: ticket for that movie. That was me. Yeah, it's interesting

915
00:40:32,914 --> 00:40:35,393
Speaker 1: what she's saying on a number of different levels. One is,

916
00:40:35,394 --> 00:40:37,794
Speaker 1: as I said, sort of having this conversation in the

917
00:40:37,874 --> 00:40:40,953
Speaker 1: midst whoever's running her Oscar campaign, because every studio would

918
00:40:40,954 --> 00:40:43,274
Speaker 1: have someone I know she's in sort of a smaller

919
00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:45,274
Speaker 1: movie this time around, but still it's probably like, oh

920
00:40:45,354 --> 00:40:47,714
Speaker 1: my god, don't say that right now. But also I

921
00:40:47,754 --> 00:40:50,074
Speaker 1: love the honesty of looking at it and just saying

922
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,594
Speaker 1: like it's not the thing, like, because I think she

923
00:40:52,674 --> 00:40:55,154
Speaker 1: knows that, like the longevity in her career, people are

924
00:40:55,154 --> 00:40:58,194
Speaker 1: thinking of things like Mean Girls and Mama Mia and

925
00:40:58,234 --> 00:41:01,873
Speaker 1: now the housemade these like memorable roles that she's been

926
00:41:01,914 --> 00:41:04,754
Speaker 1: in and instead of like looking at like an actress

927
00:41:04,754 --> 00:41:06,714
Speaker 1: who could win an oscar and it's never heard from again,

928
00:41:06,754 --> 00:41:09,913
Speaker 1: which a lot happens all the time. And because I

929
00:41:09,954 --> 00:41:12,114
Speaker 1: saw the article on Twitter first and there were so

930
00:41:12,154 --> 00:41:14,114
Speaker 1: many like film rows in the comments being like ok

931
00:41:14,274 --> 00:41:16,354
Speaker 1: nom moll of the past actresses, and it's like, yeahs on,

932
00:41:16,434 --> 00:41:20,433
Speaker 1: so can I. But like, what's her job where people

933
00:41:20,434 --> 00:41:22,634
Speaker 1: who care about this stuff? She means the general public,

934
00:41:22,754 --> 00:41:25,834
Speaker 1: and she means the general audience of people out there

935
00:41:25,834 --> 00:41:28,234
Speaker 1: who pay to watch movies and consume content that not

936
00:41:28,394 --> 00:41:31,114
Speaker 1: everyone is concerned with whether or not you've won an oscar,

937
00:41:31,434 --> 00:41:33,474
Speaker 1: but everyone is concerned with whether or not they enjoyed

938
00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:35,554
Speaker 1: the thing you made. And like that's what she wants

939
00:41:35,594 --> 00:41:37,394
Speaker 1: to do. She wants to make content that people enjoy

940
00:41:37,434 --> 00:41:39,154
Speaker 1: and that she enjoys too, like you said, like one

941
00:41:39,154 --> 00:41:41,274
Speaker 1: for Hollywood, one for her. Yeah, I do think she

942
00:41:41,394 --> 00:41:43,034
Speaker 1: means it, or she wouldn't have said it. Now. I

943
00:41:43,074 --> 00:41:44,714
Speaker 1: know a lot of actors do get a bump off

944
00:41:44,714 --> 00:41:47,554
Speaker 1: footing an Oscar, but it's again, it's not always the case.

945
00:41:47,754 --> 00:41:50,393
Speaker 1: Melissa Leo recently said, who won a few years ago now,

946
00:41:50,594 --> 00:41:52,714
Speaker 1: that it was quite bad for her career because she

947
00:41:52,754 --> 00:41:54,914
Speaker 1: thinks it like kind of led to her not getting

948
00:41:54,994 --> 00:41:57,194
Speaker 1: some like more dramatic roles that she wanted to get.

949
00:41:57,514 --> 00:42:00,274
Speaker 1: Lapita Jongo thought that like her whole acting career was

950
00:42:00,314 --> 00:42:01,873
Speaker 1: going to open up in a new way after her

951
00:42:01,914 --> 00:42:04,554
Speaker 1: Oscar win, and then she just kept getting offered these

952
00:42:04,594 --> 00:42:06,913
Speaker 1: slave rolls over and over again, and that was one

953
00:42:07,274 --> 00:42:08,994
Speaker 1: I did. I can do more than that. Obviously she

954
00:42:09,034 --> 00:42:10,953
Speaker 1: has done all than that since. But I do think

955
00:42:10,994 --> 00:42:12,834
Speaker 1: that like a lot of people are just like your

956
00:42:12,874 --> 00:42:15,433
Speaker 1: career changes when you were in Oscar, And yeah, that's

957
00:42:15,474 --> 00:42:17,873
Speaker 1: not true. Some people we never hear from again. Some

958
00:42:17,914 --> 00:42:19,913
Speaker 1: people get like a bit part on TV like that was,

959
00:42:19,914 --> 00:42:22,714
Speaker 1: They get their moment and then that's it. Yeah, it's

960
00:42:22,754 --> 00:42:24,794
Speaker 1: interesting because like I don't know, I look at someone

961
00:42:24,834 --> 00:42:27,393
Speaker 1: say like Florence Pugh who got an Oscar nom for

962
00:42:27,474 --> 00:42:29,953
Speaker 1: like Little Women, which deserve she should have won, Yeah,

963
00:42:29,994 --> 00:42:32,714
Speaker 1: but like she shouldn't. But like Florence Pew at that

964
00:42:32,754 --> 00:42:34,994
Speaker 1: point in time was like a fan favorite. But I

965
00:42:35,034 --> 00:42:36,913
Speaker 1: remember when that happened, she had maybe like a million

966
00:42:36,994 --> 00:42:39,794
Speaker 1: Instagram followers orso, which is obviously huge, but she was

967
00:42:39,834 --> 00:42:42,354
Speaker 1: not at the level she is nowherego bankable Hollywood star.

968
00:42:42,674 --> 00:42:44,393
Speaker 1: You put her in something and most people should know

969
00:42:44,394 --> 00:42:47,034
Speaker 1: who she is, ye, But like the Oscar nom was

970
00:42:47,074 --> 00:42:49,074
Speaker 1: the thing that kept pushing her forward because that was

971
00:42:49,114 --> 00:42:51,314
Speaker 1: like twenty nineteen leading into twenty twenty, and then there

972
00:42:51,314 --> 00:42:53,194
Speaker 1: were all of her other projects that started coming out

973
00:42:53,194 --> 00:42:55,954
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, she's like I don't even audition, I'm amazing. Yeah,

974
00:42:55,994 --> 00:42:58,754
Speaker 1: as she should, but like it does lead to further opportunities.

975
00:42:58,834 --> 00:43:00,873
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it an Oscar nom Whereas yeah, I guess

976
00:43:00,874 --> 00:43:02,834
Speaker 1: an Oscar win could be limiting. If the thing you're

977
00:43:02,834 --> 00:43:05,634
Speaker 1: seeing as winning for is now you're like one kind

978
00:43:05,674 --> 00:43:08,394
Speaker 1: of role you can play. It's just so interesting also

979
00:43:08,434 --> 00:43:10,954
Speaker 1: because it's so different to all of these stories that

980
00:43:11,034 --> 00:43:14,034
Speaker 1: surround all these very famous actors of them thinking that

981
00:43:14,114 --> 00:43:16,873
Speaker 1: the Oscar is the biggest pinnacle, Like this whole kind

982
00:43:16,874 --> 00:43:19,953
Speaker 1: of story around how desperate Leonardo DiCaprio was to win

983
00:43:19,994 --> 00:43:22,514
Speaker 1: and how he wanted it more than anything, how Matthew

984
00:43:22,594 --> 00:43:25,754
Speaker 1: McConaughey chased it, how Brad Pitt chased it, all these

985
00:43:25,834 --> 00:43:28,034
Speaker 1: kind of stories around that and now and just like

986
00:43:28,114 --> 00:43:31,674
Speaker 1: you can see Timothy Challomaye chasing it so hard as

987
00:43:31,914 --> 00:43:33,514
Speaker 1: I actually worry for that boy if he wins, what

988
00:43:33,554 --> 00:43:35,634
Speaker 1: will he do after that? Because what happens when you

989
00:43:35,634 --> 00:43:38,274
Speaker 1: get your ultimate dream at thirty, Like this is not

990
00:43:38,314 --> 00:43:41,114
Speaker 1: gonna be cool. You circle back around, just go again,

991
00:43:41,234 --> 00:43:42,953
Speaker 1: and he'll be fine. But yeah, I love my boy

992
00:43:42,994 --> 00:43:46,953
Speaker 1: Timmy so much. But yeah, it's such a different story.

993
00:43:46,954 --> 00:43:48,634
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you interviewed them, they just be like,

994
00:43:48,994 --> 00:43:51,194
Speaker 1: in an honest interview, be like it means the most

995
00:43:51,354 --> 00:43:52,714
Speaker 1: to me in the world, and I think it will

996
00:43:52,794 --> 00:43:56,554
Speaker 1: change my life. Whereas Amanda Seifert is like, it doesn't matter.

997
00:43:56,794 --> 00:43:59,114
Speaker 1: It matters how much my movie makes the box office

998
00:43:59,154 --> 00:44:00,993
Speaker 1: and whether I like my movie orline. And she's also

999
00:44:01,034 --> 00:44:03,433
Speaker 1: been around so long now, Like as she said that,

1000
00:44:04,154 --> 00:44:05,874
Speaker 1: I guess she's like, well, I made it here without

1001
00:44:05,954 --> 00:44:08,594
Speaker 1: hold on anyway, I've done it without one, so I'm

1002
00:44:08,634 --> 00:44:11,154
Speaker 1: fine without it, whereas obviously someone a bit younger like

1003
00:44:11,194 --> 00:44:13,994
Speaker 1: Timmy has been striving to this moment for the past decade.

1004
00:44:14,194 --> 00:44:16,354
Speaker 1: To him it is everything, yeah, like, whereas to her,

1005
00:44:16,354 --> 00:44:18,953
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm good, Like it's fine, it would be nice.

1006
00:44:18,994 --> 00:44:21,513
Speaker 1: That makes sense. But also imagine being so cool about

1007
00:44:21,554 --> 00:44:23,714
Speaker 1: an oscar. And the thing is, it's a privilege that

1008
00:44:23,834 --> 00:44:26,874
Speaker 1: also comes with being a star with like a long

1009
00:44:27,154 --> 00:44:30,393
Speaker 1: list of credits that you're not sort of like someone

1010
00:44:30,394 --> 00:44:32,154
Speaker 1: like a Mighty Madison last year who's like at the

1011
00:44:32,154 --> 00:44:34,554
Speaker 1: Oscars for the first time, can't say that. It's a

1012
00:44:34,594 --> 00:44:37,754
Speaker 1: privilege that comes with being someone who is so secure

1013
00:44:37,754 --> 00:44:39,994
Speaker 1: in their place in Hollywood and also being like a

1014
00:44:39,994 --> 00:44:43,433
Speaker 1: beautiful white blonde woman who everyone just loves and who

1015
00:44:43,434 --> 00:44:45,433
Speaker 1: can I mean not that I've heard any scandal around

1016
00:44:45,474 --> 00:44:47,954
Speaker 1: Amanda Seafree, Like she's scandal free as far as I know,

1017
00:44:48,034 --> 00:44:49,634
Speaker 1: and people love her and she lives on a farm

1018
00:44:49,634 --> 00:44:51,914
Speaker 1: with a peacock and a donkey and other animals and

1019
00:44:51,954 --> 00:44:54,473
Speaker 1: her kids and it's all very sweet. But also you know,

1020
00:44:54,554 --> 00:44:56,314
Speaker 1: being able to give an interview like this and anyone

1021
00:44:56,394 --> 00:44:58,873
Speaker 1: sort of not thinking badly of her, everyone just being like, oh,

1022
00:44:58,954 --> 00:45:02,074
Speaker 1: that's an interesting take, is yeah, interesting in itself. Yeah,

1023
00:45:02,114 --> 00:45:03,834
Speaker 1: and very different to like what you're saying the Peter

1024
00:45:03,914 --> 00:45:07,274
Speaker 1: said of her experience. Yeah, it's an obvious difference. She's

1025
00:45:07,314 --> 00:45:09,994
Speaker 1: coming from a place of privilege and saying this, Yes, exactly,

1026
00:45:10,034 --> 00:45:11,433
Speaker 1: so a link that fall into me the show notes

1027
00:45:11,514 --> 00:45:14,074
Speaker 1: is quite interesting and yeah, just another step in this

1028
00:45:14,674 --> 00:45:17,994
Speaker 1: Oscars moment we're in where everyone's voting, everyone has their ballots,

1029
00:45:18,034 --> 00:45:19,754
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a bunch of people are voting without

1030
00:45:19,794 --> 00:45:22,553
Speaker 1: even seeing the movies, as happens every year. But yeah,

1031
00:45:22,594 --> 00:45:25,393
Speaker 1: imagine it's only I mean, I'm sure they're busy, but like,

1032
00:45:25,474 --> 00:45:27,354
Speaker 1: imagine your only thing being I have to vote for

1033
00:45:27,354 --> 00:45:29,073
Speaker 1: the Oscars and then you're like, actually, I don't feel

1034
00:45:29,114 --> 00:45:31,473
Speaker 1: like watching these movies. Yeah. I wonder how they send

1035
00:45:31,474 --> 00:45:33,354
Speaker 1: the ballots now because I used to post them. And

1036
00:45:33,354 --> 00:45:35,314
Speaker 1: I remember Jennifer Laurence saying the first year she was

1037
00:45:35,354 --> 00:45:37,674
Speaker 1: in the Academy, she was so excited to vote, but

1038
00:45:37,714 --> 00:45:39,834
Speaker 1: they sent it to like her parents' address because that

1039
00:45:39,914 --> 00:45:43,834
Speaker 1: was her listed address, and her mom voted. What her

1040
00:45:43,914 --> 00:45:45,634
Speaker 1: mom was like, I voted for the Oscars, and she's like,

1041
00:45:45,634 --> 00:45:47,114
Speaker 1: what do you mean you vote for the Oscar she's like, well,

1042
00:45:47,114 --> 00:45:48,794
Speaker 1: they sent me and I voted, and she's like, mom,

1043
00:45:48,834 --> 00:45:53,593
Speaker 1: that's mine. You can't. He just like got a dale

1044
00:45:53,674 --> 00:45:56,634
Speaker 1: for that. Probably not great. Yeah, I'm sure. Now it's

1045
00:45:56,634 --> 00:46:00,194
Speaker 1: a different system, like let's do it's online now. Otherwise

1046
00:46:00,234 --> 00:46:02,474
Speaker 1: there's some very important envelopes making their way around the

1047
00:46:02,514 --> 00:46:04,834
Speaker 1: world right now. I would appreciate if they all started

1048
00:46:04,874 --> 00:46:06,954
Speaker 1: outing though, the people who don't watch things, because you

1049
00:46:06,954 --> 00:46:08,873
Speaker 1: know how it was actually Little Women, wasn't it where

1050
00:46:08,874 --> 00:46:10,554
Speaker 1: they were like, we can see who came to the

1051
00:46:10,554 --> 00:46:12,914
Speaker 1: screenings and we didn't send us for Amy Pascal, so

1052
00:46:12,994 --> 00:46:14,554
Speaker 1: that we didn't send out screeners. You came to this

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Speaker 1: screen up or you didn't see it, and all the

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Speaker 1: men who vote didn't see Little Women, which is why

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Speaker 1: it wasn't nominated for a big awards. Keep having that's

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Speaker 1: crazy exactly. Well, Tina, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us for this journey today. I know that was a

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Speaker 1: journey through many important topics a lot. And if you

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Speaker 1: love today's journey, or just in fact, any of the

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Speaker 1: content we put out, or there's something you're desperate for

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Speaker 1: us to hear talk about on the spill, please drop

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Speaker 1: us a review on Apple Podcasts We read all the reviews,

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Speaker 1: rate and review. That's how more people find our show

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Speaker 1: and we can keep having important conversations like this. The

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Speaker 1: Spill is produced by minsha Islauren with sound production by

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Speaker 1: Scott Stronnik. Bye Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners

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Speaker 1: of the land. We have recorded this podcast on the

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Speaker 1: Gatigol people of the eorination. We pay our respects to

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