WEBVTT - Hollywood Has Quit On Meghan And Harry

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, everyone has a kid's book but me, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think I should have come a children's to.

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<v Speaker 1>Buy you a book like The Very Hungry Caterpillar. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually are you were to write one?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that I should write one because I think

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<v Speaker 3>it has come to my attention that everyone's written children's books.

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<v Speaker 2>So the celebrity children's book is a big, big.

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<v Speaker 3>And if I'm a celebrity, like, why am I spending

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<v Speaker 3>time writing a children's book? I think it's got to

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<v Speaker 3>be a money machine. They must just be pretty, might be.

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed Aated Nicodemu last week. She's written many. She

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<v Speaker 1>has a whole series called Maya. There's something.

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<v Speaker 2>Maya.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she said, she loves the name Maya and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of about it's loosely based on her childhood because

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<v Speaker 1>she was like a theater kid who likes singing and

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<v Speaker 1>dancing and.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and all of that's catered to your attention span.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>For like seven eight year old Yeah, it's that primary school.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look at Andy Lee, right, any parent listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this will be triggered by the words do not open

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<v Speaker 2>this book. He do not open this book series, and

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<v Speaker 2>now it's like you can get box sets and merch

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. I listened to an interview with him where

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<v Speaker 2>he said he makes I mean news exactly these words.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm paraphrasing Twillian's ship ton of money. That ship ton.

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<v Speaker 4>I just need to be Andy Lee. But just the

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<v Speaker 4>book needs to be good.

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<v Speaker 1>What should it be about? Well, who's going to review it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you think, yeah, I know, you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of think they don't have many words in them. I

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<v Speaker 1>surely I can write them in just half an hour.

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<v Speaker 5>On the world.

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<v Speaker 4>They need to have a rhythm. All about the rhythm,

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<v Speaker 4>pretty picture.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to apologize to any children's book authors who

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<v Speaker 2>are listening to this right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't printed.

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<v Speaker 2>Any money lately. Hello, and welcome to Mama Mire out

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<v Speaker 2>Loud and to our Friday show, you know the Friday show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing a little dance because it's our fun show

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<v Speaker 2>where we take the break from the news cycle and

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<v Speaker 2>we just like have a good time. Oh sorry, and

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<v Speaker 2>we breathe there it'sane. This is my one exhale meditating

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<v Speaker 2>right now today, It's Friday, the twenty seventh of September,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am Holly Waynwright.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Meya Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens, children's book.

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<v Speaker 2>Author trying that on for size on the show today.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine being so confident that when someone asks you if

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<v Speaker 2>you're surprised you got offered a big opportunity, you say, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised they were right to choose me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be brilliant at it. Yeah, no, we need

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the female confidence trap. Plus, our weekend

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<v Speaker 2>recommendations include a movie for kids that's really for us,

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<v Speaker 2>a gen X Hollywood memoir, and the previous TV show

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<v Speaker 2>of them all. And someone's been rummaging around in me

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<v Speaker 2>is downstairs area, Jesse's had a skin scare, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am really pissed off about something very silly. It's our

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<v Speaker 2>best and worst of the week, But first me have

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<v Speaker 2>Friedman in capes. You missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>There has been a very interesting hit piece on Harry

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<v Speaker 1>and Meghan.

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<v Speaker 2>But particularly got my hand up Mayor Freeman. When you

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<v Speaker 2>say hit piece, expand.

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<v Speaker 1>A hit piece is like, I mean, it's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like. It's a tacky takedown.

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<v Speaker 2>Written on purpose to hit to hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a not a particularly kind or balanced, a

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<v Speaker 1>bit scurrilous, maybe very negative. And what's interesting about this

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<v Speaker 1>hit piece because Harry and Meghan are not new to

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the first radio when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>people writing negative things about them. But it's where it

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<v Speaker 1>was published that is raising some eyebrows. It was published

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<v Speaker 1>in the Hollywood Reporter, which is like a it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a tabloid, it's like almost trade press.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Variety's competitor, isn't it the business of Hollywood?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Serious?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's titled why Hollywood keeps quitting on Harry and Meghan,

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<v Speaker 1>And according to the Hollywood Reporter, it's all about how

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<v Speaker 1>they can't keep staff. There's a reportedly a survivors club

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<v Speaker 1>called the Sussex Survivors Club, and it details some of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who've left their employ including it says Josh Kettler,

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<v Speaker 1>the Santa Barbara based consultant who'd been serving as chief

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<v Speaker 1>of staff to the Duke and Duchess reportedly resigned in

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<v Speaker 1>August after just three months on the job, becoming the

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<v Speaker 1>latest member of the ever expanding Sussex Survivors Club. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>terrified of Megan, claimed sources. She belittles people, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>take advice. They're both poor decision makers. They change their

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<v Speaker 1>minds frequently. Harry is a very very charming person, no

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<v Speaker 1>heirs at all, but he's very much an enabler and.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really negative. And there's been that's an unsourced quote, right,

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<v Speaker 2>All of.

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<v Speaker 1>The quotes are unsourced, and it sort of talks about

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<v Speaker 1>all the people that have left working for them, and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of things that are interesting about this and

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<v Speaker 1>why everybody's talking about it. Firstly, it's not the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that usually happened in that publication, so it's like, well, why,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the reason for this piece? Like who's motivated to

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<v Speaker 1>take down Harry and Meghan because it's not the royal family.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of their claims about previous bad publicity is

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<v Speaker 1>that it was being sourced by rival palaces, by the

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<v Speaker 1>British media who didn't like them, by racism in the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>by people who didn't like that there was a woman

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<v Speaker 1>of color who'd become a member of the royal family

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<v Speaker 1>and that was kind of their owns. Yeah, their defense, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so now that it's happened in Hollywood, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>in whose interest is it to paint them in this

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<v Speaker 1>negative way? And secondly, it paints a picture where the

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<v Speaker 1>common denominator is in fact them and not the royal

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<v Speaker 1>family leaking it or unfair treatment by the press. So

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<v Speaker 1>some people are saying that it's because Hollywood's realized there's

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<v Speaker 1>no more money to be made out of either of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They came to Hollywood or they came to California in America,

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<v Speaker 1>did these big deals. One hundred million dollars at Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>I think another hundred million at Spotify, And apart from

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<v Speaker 1>the documentary that they did on Netflix where they sort

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<v Speaker 1>of just spoke about everything that had happened to them,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a few other projects that went nowhere. The

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<v Speaker 1>big podcast deal they signed with Spotify kind of yielded

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<v Speaker 1>about seven episodes. I think she did her podcast called Archetypes,

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<v Speaker 1>which has now been picked up by another podcast company

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to apparently do another season. But a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people lost a lot of money on these benches,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not the fault of Harry and Meghan. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if someone wants to pay you a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>you don't deliver. I guess it is the fault of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe people overestimated the public's appetite for the things

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<v Speaker 1>that they.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's true that they haven't made a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people a lot of money in books.

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<v Speaker 1>They have.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if the only thing they ever make for Netflix

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<v Speaker 2>was that twenty five million piece documentary, it was the

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<v Speaker 2>highest rating thing that Netflix has done in twenty million years.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have made that back in spades, which just

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<v Speaker 2>made a docco series for them that's about Polo. The

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<v Speaker 2>try to do like a drive to survive for Polo,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like make it sexy reality TV stuff. She's

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<v Speaker 2>got a lifestyle show coming out in January February, which

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to be very Martha Stuart, very goofy, very

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<v Speaker 2>like cooking, and that's not only cooking, like cooking lifestyle homes,

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<v Speaker 2>which will be very pervy because it'll be in their houses.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be Megan. I think it's not true that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to make anyone. So why, Holly, why, what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Your read on why this comes out? I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>they had the power that they might have had when

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<v Speaker 3>they first entered Hollywood, But what would be the motivation

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<v Speaker 3>of someone to either be that source or for them

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<v Speaker 3>to write that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one way of looking at this is where this

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<v Speaker 2>smokes fire, right, which is that if the same story

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<v Speaker 2>keeps coming out over and over again, there's probably some

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<v Speaker 2>truth to it. But then also, there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>people in Hollywood and Silicon Valley and all those are

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<v Speaker 2>the places who would be difficult in inverted commas to

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<v Speaker 2>work for, right, But not all of them are as

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<v Speaker 2>high profile and as exciting to sell stories onto the

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<v Speaker 2>tabloids as Megan and Harry. But I'm sure as an

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<v Speaker 2>element of truth there. It also smacks a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>to me that they're outsiders in that world, like Bill Simmons,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a guy who was involved in their deals

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<v Speaker 2>and in their ideation sessions, and he was he called

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<v Speaker 2>them grifters, and he also made some really disparaging comments

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<v Speaker 2>about Harry's ideas and how they were all terrible and

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah blah. It is very interesting that

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<v Speaker 2>this is in the Hollywood Reporter, But there's probably a

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<v Speaker 2>distaste in Hollywood for people like Harry and Meghan who

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<v Speaker 2>come in charging a shitload of money, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>have the temerity to want input on what they're making.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to say, well, who's motivated. Someone's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>clearly pissed off with them, right and either bitter that

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<v Speaker 1>they spent their money or took their jobs or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see that it's kind of insulting to

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<v Speaker 1>people who are actual producers scriptwriters. And also if.

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<v Speaker 2>You're making that stuff, you want the talent to do

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<v Speaker 2>what they're told, right, Like basically, if you're a produce,

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<v Speaker 2>you want the talent to like, we know how to

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<v Speaker 2>make a podcast, you just say the words we want

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<v Speaker 2>you to say, we know how to make a show,

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<v Speaker 2>make the shows we want to make. Harry and Meghan

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<v Speaker 2>are very clearly not interested in doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But based on what I mean, Harry's never had a

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<v Speaker 1>job before apart from when he was in the military.

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<v Speaker 1>Meghan know how done stuff. But I think that Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>feels a bit silly that they over indexed on how

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<v Speaker 1>interested the public would be about Harry and Meghan talking

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<v Speaker 1>about anything other than Harry and Meghan. And once that

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<v Speaker 1>story was finished, because there's only so many times you

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<v Speaker 1>can say we were treated badly and they've got no

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<v Speaker 1>more story to tell, like they used it all up

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<v Speaker 1>in his book and in the documentary, and so then

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<v Speaker 1>when he's made things for like the Invictors Games. She

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<v Speaker 1>did write a children's book, but then she wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do an animated show about a little girl called Pearl.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's really interested in the stuff that they make.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was listening to a podcast this week about what

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<v Speaker 3>would be the advisable next move.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry needs to make a Princess to Hanna documentary. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what he should do. If I was advising, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be amazing. Yeah, in fact, any royal documentary would

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<v Speaker 2>be great, but about his mother would be particularly amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, even though I sympathize with your point,

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<v Speaker 2>mea like who are they? But I also think this

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<v Speaker 2>story isn't over, Like I will be watching Megan's lifestyle show.

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<v Speaker 3>Well about Megan's lifestyle show, because what this podcast was

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<v Speaker 3>saying was that she needs to go into They had

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<v Speaker 3>two options. The first was skincare and the second was alcohol,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically Gin because they said that it's very male dominated

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the margins are the beauty category and the alcohol category.

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<v Speaker 2>Are not known for, not just jam, you guys, your

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<v Speaker 2>failure of imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>People.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a massive lifestyle brand. We've got te tails, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got yoga mats, we've got cookware, we've got everything that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna sell. It's freaking socks off.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it will.

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<v Speaker 2>Margin.

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<v Speaker 1>No, the margins on most things are really smart.

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<v Speaker 4>Understand marginal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, the margin means you produce it for one dollar,

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<v Speaker 1>you sell it for three dollars. The margin is two dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Now on Jam, you produce jam for a dollar, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't sell it for one hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can try if I get invited into Megan's kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same with Gwyneth, It's the same with any

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<v Speaker 2>of those very aspiate because that's where she's positioning herself right,

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<v Speaker 2>aspirational lifestyle brand. That's why she's called it Montecido blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>She's drifting around with her apple orchard and all that shit,

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<v Speaker 2>their chickens and everything. People love that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd buy a serum. I would absolutely buy it. I

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<v Speaker 4>would because she's got beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>What's wrong with being? What's wrong with being?

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<v Speaker 2>What's wrong with being?

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<v Speaker 6>Confident?

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<v Speaker 3>A documentary, pulled, a bold career move, and a declaration.

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<v Speaker 4>Of absolute self belief. I want to talk about confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Three things have happened in recent weeks that I am

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<v Speaker 3>going to attempt to tie in an awkward not that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't quite fit. First, they finished filming a documentary about Oprah.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are they?

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<v Speaker 4>They are tying to make it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually as Apple, which six degrees of separation. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure that it somehow gets back to Harry and Megan,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean Oprah, Harry and Meghan.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, It doesn't matter who made it, Maya, because you're

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<v Speaker 3>never going to say it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me explain filmmaker Kevin McDonald. He is Academy Award

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<v Speaker 3>winning He did Touching the Void and he also did

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<v Speaker 3>the Whitney Houston documentary Big Deal.

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<v Speaker 4>Big Deal.

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<v Speaker 3>He was tasked with creating a documentary about Oprah's life

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<v Speaker 3>to be broadcast on Apple TV.

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<v Speaker 4>There was just one problem.

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<v Speaker 3>When it was finished, Oprah didn't like it, so she

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<v Speaker 3>paid the money back to Apple and basically now owns

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<v Speaker 3>the rights and there's no plans for release.

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<v Speaker 1>So was she involved as like a producer or something?

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<v Speaker 1>It was made with her cooperation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I imagine it would be a bit like Beckham.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't you like it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is what we need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think could be a reason?

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<v Speaker 4>Secrets? I think?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, this is my theory is that when you do Beckham,

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<v Speaker 3>when you do Beckham, it better be a work of propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem with this Kevin McDonald character is I worry

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<v Speaker 3>he's a real filmmaker, in which case he might have

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<v Speaker 3>actually just made a real documentary about Oprah where it's

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<v Speaker 3>not just she's a perfect saint. Maybe it's a complex.

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<v Speaker 1>Your inattoria Beckham. Now I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>the same filmmaker that did David.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get from Succession?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I don't know. If it's Hugoys back for another round,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that's going to be interesting too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. You know that Beckham documentary has been

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<v Speaker 2>one of their biggest hits.

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<v Speaker 1>Twice.

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<v Speaker 2>It has made the.

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<v Speaker 4>Beckham real documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>It has made the Beckham super famous in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, did he have creative control?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, exactly right, So they do have creative control. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>Oprah's gone, I'm the boss here and I'm putting this

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<v Speaker 3>on the shelf because I don't want you to broadcast

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<v Speaker 3>it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the first time she's done that. She's done that

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<v Speaker 1>with another sh where she said I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be really rich to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to be very powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there's a little lady named Katie Perry. She's performing

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<v Speaker 3>at the AFL Grand Final this weekend. Mom's Play of Air,

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<v Speaker 3>and there have been numerous reports about an awkward back

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<v Speaker 3>and forth between Perry and the AFL in regards to

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<v Speaker 3>what songs she will play. The AFL requested she only

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<v Speaker 3>perform hits from her back catalog, for example.

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<v Speaker 7>Firework, while her papers to Girl Yes, Friday Night Yes,

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<v Speaker 7>while her people wanted at least two of the five

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<v Speaker 7>songs to be from her new album like It's.

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<v Speaker 1>A Woman's World. Yes, I get that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was reading some analysis from a footy journalist who

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<v Speaker 3>said she strikes me as someone who would push back.

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<v Speaker 3>She would be a bit of trouble. You tell me

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<v Speaker 3>to do A and I'll do B. That kind of thing, yep,

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<v Speaker 3>in the end, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit of trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Like every artist would negotiate this right, Like so, Kylie

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<v Speaker 1>Minogues just announced a world tour and I'm like, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been to a lot of Kylie concerts for decades. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go and hear her new music. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear I mean, I don't mind hearing Pada,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to hear anything else. I only

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear the old bangers, and she won't play

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<v Speaker 1>the old bangers, and that's frustrating.

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<v Speaker 2>That's every artist ever.

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<v Speaker 3>The compromise that's been because she's doing it, not because

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<v Speaker 3>she wants to sing Firework again.

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<v Speaker 4>She wants to promote a new album.

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<v Speaker 2>Duh.

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<v Speaker 3>So she has compromised and she's going to sing one

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<v Speaker 3>new song and four classics.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll sing the new song just when everyone goes to

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<v Speaker 2>make their tea because it's the halftime show.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think the new song willbey woman's world?

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<v Speaker 1>Or she's given up on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Hope it is that because I really want her to

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<v Speaker 2>have that like petrol pump in a butt thing that

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<v Speaker 2>would be so fun on that in fact, that the

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<v Speaker 2>AFL Grand Final would really it would be fun.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd enjoy that. I think it'd be a vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there's comedian Niki Glazer, who was asked to host

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<v Speaker 3>the Golden Globes and speaking to the Hollywood Reporter, here's

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<v Speaker 3>what she said.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I thought they made a good decision because I

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<v Speaker 6>am just I know what to do to make it great.

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<v Speaker 6>I know the amount of work that goes into it.

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<v Speaker 6>I take it very seriously the job at hand. I

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<v Speaker 6>think I can strike the right tone of making fun

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<v Speaker 6>of Hollywood while while also just completely being sycophanic over

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<v Speaker 6>it and being like I want you to like me,

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<v Speaker 6>but also like, what are we doing here.

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<v Speaker 3>Stacy Hicks, who's one of the hosts of our parenting

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<v Speaker 3>podcast This Glorious Mess, she sent around this video and

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<v Speaker 3>she said, I don't think I've ever heard a woman

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<v Speaker 3>speak like that about her career and her ability to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. And the comments we're all commending Nicki Glazer

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<v Speaker 3>on her confidence, with one saying this is how you

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<v Speaker 3>should all pump yourself up for a job interview. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite to imposter syndrome. And in fact, all three

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<v Speaker 3>women are doing exactly what we tell women to do.

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<v Speaker 3>To strive to set your boundaries, to back yourself. You

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<v Speaker 3>deserve a seat at the table. You should say no.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know do you think there has been

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<v Speaker 3>a shift and is this what confidence looks like. And

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<v Speaker 3>if so, are we totally completely comfortable with it?

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<v Speaker 4>Maya.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's very American what she said, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know that this is something that Australians often struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with when they go and try and work in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>because Australia is all about to poppy syndrome, self deprecation,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be too up yourself, don't be too big for you, boots.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Britain's prettyvil same, right, and I think we

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<v Speaker 1>learned that from our British colonizes. In America, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>fig jam, which is fuck, I'm good, just ask me.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you go over and try that Aussie stick

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<v Speaker 1>in America, it doesn't work. If you're just like, oh really,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, gosh, I can't believe they chose me like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else must have been busy, ha ha. They're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with you? Like you look at Donald Trump people,

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<v Speaker 1>Confidence is contagious. Confidence is self affirming in America, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia we're very suspicious of it from men or

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<v Speaker 1>from women, but particularly from women. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you look at the women who are

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<v Speaker 1>derided in Hollywood, particularly or in just the public eye.

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<v Speaker 2>They're always sort.

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<v Speaker 1>Of canceled for very small things like what did Megan

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<v Speaker 1>Markle do we just spoke about her a minute ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh maybe she's essentially she's she's the criticism of her

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she had the temerity to complain.

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<v Speaker 1>Ellen DeGeneres is in the new cycle at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, having a comeback, and will people give her

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<v Speaker 1>a second chance? It's like a second chance from what

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<v Speaker 1>because she wasn't incredibly friendly and didn't ask the three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred staff how their weekend was some days and she

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<v Speaker 1>was castigated for being mean. And then you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the men that are canceled. It's like p Diddy e

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<v Speaker 1>On Musk is still going strong and he's vile. So

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<v Speaker 1>what men can get away with versus what women can

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<v Speaker 1>get away with assertiveness? We know all of this. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why Kamala Harris has had such a tricky needle

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<v Speaker 1>to thread. Looking capable and confident enough to be a

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<v Speaker 1>female president because there hasn't ever been one, but also

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<v Speaker 1>not too much of a bull terror and too emasculating

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<v Speaker 1>because men don't like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you relate at all to the way that Nicki

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<v Speaker 3>Glazer talks about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean she's oh my.

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<v Speaker 3>God, no, she's not twenty two. She's been doing it

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<v Speaker 3>for a while. She what she's good, actually knows she's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna work hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I absolutely love it, But do I relate to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not, like I not even a little bit. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting because as I get older, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>Mia said this before, my confidence in some areas has grown,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm less likely to feel like I don't belong

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<v Speaker 2>in a room, you know, where decisions are being made,

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<v Speaker 2>or where important conversations we had, or to interview certain

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<v Speaker 2>people or whatever. Much more confident in that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>space because I feel like I've earned my right to

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<v Speaker 2>be there. But that's because that's true, I haven't my

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<v Speaker 2>right to be there right Like, over time, I've built

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<v Speaker 2>up my experience. I do know shit, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>be confident in that space. But then in other areas,

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<v Speaker 2>I still feel very under confident. And it's interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>I really admire this, But then I'm very suspicious of

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<v Speaker 2>people who appear to have no self doubt, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not attracted to it like I do in men or women,

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<v Speaker 2>people generally speaking, who appear to have no self doubt

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<v Speaker 2>never question themselves, never wonder why they're doing what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>are generally unappealing to me. I find an element of

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<v Speaker 2>self doubt and vulnerability very humanizing and I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a difficult balance, but I'm kind of forced

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<v Speaker 1>to perform that, whereas men are discouraged from performing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate it, and men like arrogant men to me

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<v Speaker 2>are immediately unappealing in every way, whether it's me watching

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<v Speaker 2>their TV shows, or whether it's me working with them,

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<v Speaker 2>or whether it's me being friends with them. Like, arrogant

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<v Speaker 2>men are my least favorite genre of human because there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing interesting about a person who never questions themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's no question in yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>But I reckon there would be a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>listening who know they're really good at their jobs. Ye,

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<v Speaker 3>who know that they're good mums, or that they're really

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<v Speaker 3>good friends, or that they're really good at something.

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<v Speaker 2>And and confidence is different though, right, And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>fake it till you make it is tricky.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know if I totally agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was reading an article in The Guardian about someone

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<v Speaker 3>who who said, I think that's too much of a

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<v Speaker 3>focus on the word confidence and thinking that you need

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<v Speaker 3>to feel confident before actually doing anything, where it's the inverse.

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<v Speaker 3>In order to feel confident, you've got to do the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Adam Grant, he is a social social psychologist, and he

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<v Speaker 3>talked about diving, like in college he was almost a

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<v Speaker 3>professional diver, and he would go to the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the diving board and he'd feel terrified and he'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't dive because I don't feel confident yet with

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<v Speaker 3>the dive. And his coach would say to him, that's

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<v Speaker 3>why you do the dive, like you do it over

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<v Speaker 3>and over again until you get the confidence.

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<v Speaker 4>The confidence doesn't confessed.

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<v Speaker 1>So confidence is something you have to building, you just

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<v Speaker 1>wake up with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that there's this whole industry based on

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<v Speaker 3>capitalizing on women's lack of confidence, particularly young women's lack

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<v Speaker 3>of confidence. And they will say your book and a

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<v Speaker 3>mantra and a fancy talk and you know, tell you

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<v Speaker 3>that they can fill you with confidence. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>that we're confused because there are a lot of gurus

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<v Speaker 3>that are trying to imbue women with confidence rather than

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<v Speaker 3>getting them to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think anyone ever sits down with Richard

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<v Speaker 3>Branson and asks him where he gets his confidence from.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a self fulfilling thing. We're just obsessed's

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I've found I've had two people in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>neither of them know me very well, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>both said just by listening to the pod, it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like I've lost my confidence on the show, which I

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<v Speaker 1>thought about a lot. And one woman I just met

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<v Speaker 1>her earlier in the week when we were doing upfronts

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<v Speaker 1>in Melbourne, and she said, I feel like I can

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<v Speaker 1>hear you hesitating and I can hear you overthinking and

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<v Speaker 1>holding back on the show sometimes. And she said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that's because you've been piled on and you're worried

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<v Speaker 1>about that. And I was like, Oh, that's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that good? Like in a way because back to

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<v Speaker 2>the thing about where the confidence is just always a

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<v Speaker 2>really positive trait. If I sit here on the show

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<v Speaker 2>and feel very confident in all my opinions about all

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<v Speaker 2>the things all the time, including things I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot about, that's not a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're right, and I used to be that. So

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about strong opinions loosely held. So I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>confident with my opinions, but I'm also completely prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>change them as I learn more or change my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's confidence or just getting older.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you.

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<v Speaker 3>I Actually that's funny you say that, because there was

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<v Speaker 3>part of what Nikki said that I related to. When

0:23:36.087 --> 0:23:38.447
<v Speaker 3>I heard her say that, I thought, if I was

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<v Speaker 3>given a massive opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>If they asked you to host them, extu me to

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<v Speaker 4>host the logis And they said, Jesse w wee host logies.

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<v Speaker 3>Sitting in my own pa, famous children's book author, famous

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<v Speaker 3>children's books. You've written this great children's book that's been

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<v Speaker 3>made into a show. Host to logis, I'd be like, yeah,

0:23:52.967 --> 0:23:54.607
<v Speaker 3>I'll do a good job of that. Like that would

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<v Speaker 3>be my first response. And the reason is not because

0:23:56.807 --> 0:23:59.247
<v Speaker 3>I have internal self confidence. It's not because I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm innately incredible at anything. It's that I know I'll

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<v Speaker 3>work really hard. Yeah, So my faith is in my

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<v Speaker 3>process that you'll be prepared, that I'll be prepared exactly right,

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<v Speaker 3>that if I'm given enough time, if I was told

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing it tomorrow, I would freak. But if

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<v Speaker 3>I knew I was given enough time, it's something that

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<v Speaker 3>I've been honing or practicing for years, like talking, then

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<v Speaker 3>I would have a very Semario.

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<v Speaker 1>It's based on experience, Like confidence is back to what

0:24:27.007 --> 0:24:29.087
<v Speaker 1>you were just saying. Confidence is based on experience that

0:24:29.407 --> 0:24:32.407
<v Speaker 1>you've been thrown a lot of things that you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think that you would necessarily be able to do, from

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<v Speaker 1>doing this show to going on live TV to speaking

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<v Speaker 1>it writers festivals and all of these things. And because

0:24:42.207 --> 0:24:46.207
<v Speaker 1>you've prepared each time, you can objectively say that you

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<v Speaker 1>did a good job. And also people around you have

0:24:49.047 --> 0:24:50.567
<v Speaker 1>said that you've done a good job, so there's been

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<v Speaker 1>no objective marker that you haven't done a good job.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember speaking to Jane Harper once about she's written

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<v Speaker 3>maybe five books, all of which are brilliant, and she

0:25:00.167 --> 0:25:02.567
<v Speaker 3>was like, a lot of authors won't tell you that

0:25:02.647 --> 0:25:05.247
<v Speaker 3>it gets easier, and for some it doesn't. Some for me,

0:25:05.367 --> 0:25:07.167
<v Speaker 3>I know authors who you know. I got to book

0:25:07.207 --> 0:25:10.047
<v Speaker 3>twenty one and it was unpublishable. But she's like, no,

0:25:10.087 --> 0:25:12.127
<v Speaker 3>it gets easier because you know what you're doing. And

0:25:12.647 --> 0:25:16.727
<v Speaker 3>that was a quiet confidence that I respected. But I

0:25:16.767 --> 0:25:18.767
<v Speaker 3>think that it's not something that a lot of women

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<v Speaker 3>are willing to say out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>But also that's very much born of enormous success, right, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, Because I was thinking about the different areas

0:25:26.887 --> 0:25:28.927
<v Speaker 2>of life that I have confidence in and don't, and

0:25:28.967 --> 0:25:32.647
<v Speaker 2>writing is one that I definitely still don't because to me,

0:25:32.807 --> 0:25:37.447
<v Speaker 2>the bar is so impossibly high, like the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>work out there and the amount of different kinds of

0:25:39.327 --> 0:25:41.727
<v Speaker 2>incredible writers and the different levels of success and all

0:25:41.727 --> 0:25:45.127
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, like I don't feel like I have yet

0:25:45.167 --> 0:25:48.247
<v Speaker 2>written a thing that is, you know, brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that way about parenting, Oh my.

0:25:50.407 --> 0:25:55.047
<v Speaker 2>God, and parenting speaking about non professional things all the time,

0:25:55.287 --> 0:25:58.967
<v Speaker 2>question my ability, my instincts, my confidence. Have I done

0:25:58.967 --> 0:25:59.327
<v Speaker 2>it right?

0:25:59.407 --> 0:26:02.047
<v Speaker 1>Haven't I? And when you said, Jesse earlier about you know,

0:26:02.167 --> 0:26:04.527
<v Speaker 1>some people like, yeah, I'm a great mother. I don't

0:26:04.567 --> 0:26:05.847
<v Speaker 1>know anyone who says that.

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<v Speaker 3>I had someone say it to me once real, yeah, yeah,

0:26:08.527 --> 0:26:10.967
<v Speaker 3>and I really really respected it.

0:26:11.047 --> 0:26:11.567
<v Speaker 4>She said to me.

0:26:12.127 --> 0:26:14.087
<v Speaker 3>It's the only area of my life where I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I know what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And God, we all need some areas of our lives

0:26:18.247 --> 0:26:20.087
<v Speaker 2>well we feel and see, this is one of the

0:26:20.087 --> 0:26:22.407
<v Speaker 2>things I think about. We talk all the time about

0:26:22.447 --> 0:26:24.327
<v Speaker 2>like you know what you lean into and what you

0:26:24.407 --> 0:26:28.127
<v Speaker 2>lean out of. You will instinctively lean into the things

0:26:28.127 --> 0:26:30.367
<v Speaker 2>that you feel like you're good at, right because it

0:26:30.407 --> 0:26:33.247
<v Speaker 2>gives you more self confidence and more and it reaffirms it,

0:26:33.287 --> 0:26:34.927
<v Speaker 2>and then you get better at it. And it's a circle.

0:26:35.687 --> 0:26:38.407
<v Speaker 2>And so if you're feeling like work is giving you

0:26:38.447 --> 0:26:40.647
<v Speaker 2>a lot, but your home life's a shit show at

0:26:40.647 --> 0:26:43.087
<v Speaker 2>the moment, for whatever, you will lean into work, you

0:26:43.127 --> 0:26:44.727
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, rather than what you should do,

0:26:44.767 --> 0:26:46.127
<v Speaker 2>which is the other way around.

0:26:46.327 --> 0:26:50.007
<v Speaker 1>What interests me also is in certain careers it's the

0:26:50.047 --> 0:26:52.727
<v Speaker 1>law of diminishing returns, like you'll get better at something

0:26:52.807 --> 0:26:55.847
<v Speaker 1>and more confident. And then if you look at sport

0:26:56.167 --> 0:27:00.567
<v Speaker 1>and modeling for example, and even acting, with acting, you

0:27:00.607 --> 0:27:03.567
<v Speaker 1>can get technically better and better and more experienced, and

0:27:03.567 --> 0:27:07.407
<v Speaker 1>you should get more confident. For women, the whole overlay

0:27:07.447 --> 0:27:10.767
<v Speaker 1>on that is how they look, and then how that

0:27:10.927 --> 0:27:13.847
<v Speaker 1>tends to go backwards. And then with sport and modeling,

0:27:13.887 --> 0:27:15.887
<v Speaker 1>of course, you do get to a point where you've

0:27:15.927 --> 0:27:19.047
<v Speaker 1>peaked and you do get worse, so you do lose confidence.

0:27:19.087 --> 0:27:22.047
<v Speaker 1>And I found that, you know, interviewing, for example, I've

0:27:22.047 --> 0:27:24.887
<v Speaker 1>been doing no filter for almost ten years, and I

0:27:24.967 --> 0:27:26.727
<v Speaker 1>know that I'm really good at I know I'm a

0:27:26.767 --> 0:27:29.447
<v Speaker 1>really really good interviewer. But I've had some experiences this

0:27:29.567 --> 0:27:32.847
<v Speaker 1>year where I've done some really bad interviews and I

0:27:32.927 --> 0:27:35.647
<v Speaker 1>found that really interesting because I sort of have lost

0:27:36.047 --> 0:27:39.527
<v Speaker 1>confidence and in a way, that's made me more interested

0:27:39.567 --> 0:27:42.687
<v Speaker 1>in it. Yeah, because it's not I can't phone it in,

0:27:42.767 --> 0:27:44.887
<v Speaker 1>even though I know I'm really good at it, I

0:27:44.887 --> 0:27:47.567
<v Speaker 1>can still fuck it up, even after all this time.

0:27:47.687 --> 0:27:48.807
<v Speaker 1>So there's no guarantees.

0:27:49.167 --> 0:27:51.807
<v Speaker 2>So here's the interesting thing. We've all just said that

0:27:51.847 --> 0:27:53.527
<v Speaker 2>there are things that we feel like we're good at,

0:27:54.047 --> 0:27:56.087
<v Speaker 2>and there are things we feel we're not necessarily good at.

0:27:56.647 --> 0:27:59.087
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people are very uncomfortable hearing a

0:27:59.127 --> 0:28:01.127
<v Speaker 2>woman admits she's good at anything. There will be some

0:28:01.207 --> 0:28:03.087
<v Speaker 2>people who just heard you say I know I'm a

0:28:03.127 --> 0:28:05.967
<v Speaker 2>really good interviewer, or heard me say I know I've

0:28:06.007 --> 0:28:07.967
<v Speaker 2>earned my place here, or you say I know I

0:28:07.967 --> 0:28:11.407
<v Speaker 2>could host the logans. I know I'm misrepresenting you, I

0:28:11.447 --> 0:28:16.487
<v Speaker 2>know that isn't what you said. I've irritating where it

0:28:16.527 --> 0:28:18.887
<v Speaker 2>will annoy them and they will literally now be looking

0:28:18.927 --> 0:28:22.047
<v Speaker 2>at their phones and going, fuck you, show yourself, who

0:28:22.047 --> 0:28:24.567
<v Speaker 2>do you think she is. And that's interesting to look

0:28:24.607 --> 0:28:28.967
<v Speaker 2>at because we tell people like all the time, back yourself,

0:28:29.007 --> 0:28:32.287
<v Speaker 2>back yourself, back yourself, but actually hearing people back themselves

0:28:32.447 --> 0:28:33.607
<v Speaker 2>is really still jarring.

0:28:33.647 --> 0:28:36.647
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what makes me real is when I'm

0:28:36.887 --> 0:28:40.767
<v Speaker 1>looking at reels on Instagram and there are people, not

0:28:40.807 --> 0:28:44.687
<v Speaker 1>all young people, but people who are very convicted in

0:28:44.767 --> 0:28:50.127
<v Speaker 1>their opinions and are very shouty about what they think,

0:28:50.327 --> 0:28:52.247
<v Speaker 1>as if there there's no even.

0:28:52.087 --> 0:28:54.327
<v Speaker 2>Possibility of a shade of gray.

0:28:55.007 --> 0:28:58.447
<v Speaker 1>They're just so righteous in their belief and I find

0:28:58.527 --> 0:29:04.927
<v Speaker 1>that really repellent. And I don't know whether I'm envious

0:29:05.207 --> 0:29:07.647
<v Speaker 1>at how easy it must be to look at the

0:29:07.647 --> 0:29:10.487
<v Speaker 1>world in black and white, but whether I'm like, you're

0:29:10.527 --> 0:29:11.087
<v Speaker 1>a dick.

0:29:10.967 --> 0:29:13.887
<v Speaker 3>Because I think that's idealism and I reckon that as

0:29:13.967 --> 0:29:16.847
<v Speaker 3>you dogmatic as well. Yeah, which the world needs idealism

0:29:16.887 --> 0:29:19.047
<v Speaker 3>and needs young people who see the world as black

0:29:19.047 --> 0:29:22.087
<v Speaker 3>and white, who have whether it's a little bit of

0:29:22.167 --> 0:29:25.007
<v Speaker 3>naivety or whatever, I do think that the world requires that,

0:29:25.047 --> 0:29:26.527
<v Speaker 3>But I can see how it can be irritating when

0:29:26.567 --> 0:29:28.767
<v Speaker 3>you've had more experiences and you go the world.

0:29:28.527 --> 0:29:31.567
<v Speaker 1>Actually find vulnerability more interesting.

0:29:31.607 --> 0:29:35.727
<v Speaker 2>So generally speaking, I find vulnerability more interesting, and questioning

0:29:35.767 --> 0:29:38.767
<v Speaker 2>things more interesting, and so I think this, But then

0:29:38.807 --> 0:29:40.527
<v Speaker 2>I heard that, and I think that, Like, I find

0:29:40.567 --> 0:29:41.087
<v Speaker 2>that more interesting.

0:29:41.127 --> 0:29:42.927
<v Speaker 1>People who are over confident tend to not be.

0:29:42.967 --> 0:29:45.167
<v Speaker 4>Curious, Yeah, and curious.

0:29:45.287 --> 0:29:48.127
<v Speaker 3>The people I know with the most self belief are

0:29:48.127 --> 0:29:50.887
<v Speaker 3>the least successful, and by that I mean they have

0:29:51.007 --> 0:29:53.607
<v Speaker 3>not achieved their goals. There is something about.

0:29:53.527 --> 0:29:55.247
<v Speaker 2>Like, really, I thought it was the other way around.

0:29:55.327 --> 0:29:58.047
<v Speaker 4>No, No, there are people I know that are so.

0:29:59.487 --> 0:30:03.647
<v Speaker 3>Consumed by self belief that they never finish a project

0:30:03.647 --> 0:30:04.967
<v Speaker 3>because it's like they have nothing to prove.

0:30:05.447 --> 0:30:07.887
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, Yeah, I know that procrastination can be a

0:30:07.927 --> 0:30:10.407
<v Speaker 1>form of perfection is and also fear.

0:30:11.327 --> 0:30:11.567
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:30:11.647 --> 0:30:13.767
<v Speaker 1>I just find people who are really confident to be

0:30:13.847 --> 0:30:17.007
<v Speaker 1>really boring because they're not open. They've made up their mind.

0:30:17.487 --> 0:30:20.127
<v Speaker 1>The garage doors come down, and they will not be

0:30:20.607 --> 0:30:23.327
<v Speaker 1>countenancing any new opinions at this stage. Thank you, the

0:30:23.567 --> 0:30:24.367
<v Speaker 1>kitchen's closed.

0:30:24.967 --> 0:30:28.167
<v Speaker 2>Just rounding back to Oprah and Katie, Yeah, because that's

0:30:28.167 --> 0:30:31.007
<v Speaker 2>where we started. They are women who have asked for

0:30:31.127 --> 0:30:34.287
<v Speaker 2>things or made decisions that pissed other people off, like

0:30:34.487 --> 0:30:36.607
<v Speaker 2>Katie Perry saying no, I won't just be a performing

0:30:36.607 --> 0:30:38.607
<v Speaker 2>seal if I'm coming all the way to Australian performing

0:30:38.727 --> 0:30:40.847
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try and sell my new album, and

0:30:40.887 --> 0:30:43.247
<v Speaker 2>Oprah saying I know you've all worked very hard on this,

0:30:44.127 --> 0:30:46.367
<v Speaker 2>but it's my name, my brand, and I'm not doing it.

0:30:47.087 --> 0:30:50.527
<v Speaker 2>And people just don't like women asking for things.

0:30:50.727 --> 0:30:52.847
<v Speaker 3>I wondered if there was an element of Katy Perry.

0:30:53.287 --> 0:30:56.927
<v Speaker 3>We've talked before about tryhards and I don't mean that

0:30:57.007 --> 0:31:00.087
<v Speaker 3>as like in any sort of malicious way, but women's striving,

0:31:00.127 --> 0:31:02.287
<v Speaker 3>women's striving and how uncomfortable we are with it, and

0:31:02.327 --> 0:31:04.327
<v Speaker 3>what Katie Perry has done is I'm going to throw

0:31:04.367 --> 0:31:08.767
<v Speaker 3>everything at this second act, this new wind with my career,

0:31:08.767 --> 0:31:13.327
<v Speaker 3>and it has objectively worked. The album has been panned critically,

0:31:13.447 --> 0:31:16.567
<v Speaker 3>like reviewers really don't like it. It's not selling, but

0:31:16.687 --> 0:31:19.607
<v Speaker 3>there is a glee in watching women try really hard

0:31:19.847 --> 0:31:21.807
<v Speaker 3>at something and fail.

0:31:22.167 --> 0:31:33.647
<v Speaker 4>I think I got the.

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<v Speaker 7>Meud.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Friday, so we want to help set up your

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<v Speaker 1>weekend with our best recommendations of things to watch, see,

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<v Speaker 1>read by eat, Do Holly tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so delighted with my recommendation this week because on

0:31:57.407 --> 0:32:00.087
<v Speaker 2>the weekend, but I know I'm very confident in my

0:32:00.127 --> 0:32:03.007
<v Speaker 2>recommendation today, particularly for anyone my children. I spent the

0:32:03.007 --> 0:32:05.527
<v Speaker 2>weekend with Billy. Brent and Matilda were away for different reasons.

0:32:05.607 --> 0:32:07.647
<v Speaker 2>He was so excited to go and see this movie

0:32:07.647 --> 0:32:10.007
<v Speaker 2>because he's read the books and this movie is called

0:32:10.047 --> 0:32:11.967
<v Speaker 2>The Wild Robot and it's a kids movie and it's

0:32:11.967 --> 0:32:14.887
<v Speaker 2>an animated movie. And any parent who takes their kids

0:32:14.927 --> 0:32:18.327
<v Speaker 2>to go see animated movies sometimes you're like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just look at your phone?

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<v Speaker 3>Well it rude, you could, but at what age can

0:32:22.287 --> 0:32:23.927
<v Speaker 3>you leave them in the cinema and just go watch

0:32:23.927 --> 0:32:24.567
<v Speaker 3>another movie?

0:32:24.687 --> 0:32:27.367
<v Speaker 4>Oh, like Billy's Well, you could do that.

0:32:27.447 --> 0:32:31.127
<v Speaker 2>But the whole reason he's excited is to share the experience. Jesse. Yeah, okay,

0:32:31.687 --> 0:32:36.567
<v Speaker 2>that's why parents freaking love good animation. And there is

0:32:36.647 --> 0:32:39.527
<v Speaker 2>lots of it. Right, That's what the whole point of Pixar, Right,

0:32:39.807 --> 0:32:42.607
<v Speaker 2>the whole point of it. This isn't Pixar anyway, but

0:32:42.767 --> 0:32:45.247
<v Speaker 2>The Wild Robot is one of the most beautiful films,

0:32:45.327 --> 0:32:47.527
<v Speaker 2>kids films, adult films, any kind of films I have

0:32:47.647 --> 0:32:50.927
<v Speaker 2>seen in so long. Very briefly, it is based on

0:32:51.007 --> 0:32:53.807
<v Speaker 2>the idea of this robot. She's like an AI assistant

0:32:54.247 --> 0:32:56.127
<v Speaker 2>and she's being delivered somewhere and she has a ship

0:32:56.167 --> 0:32:58.527
<v Speaker 2>WRECKX like castaway, and she ends up on an island

0:32:58.847 --> 0:33:01.127
<v Speaker 2>all the wild animals and stuff, and she says, anyway,

0:33:01.127 --> 0:33:04.167
<v Speaker 2>it's so good. Anyway, Lapeita, and Yongou plays the robot

0:33:04.247 --> 0:33:08.087
<v Speaker 2>her voice, she's so freaking good. Pedro Pascal plays one

0:33:08.127 --> 0:33:10.687
<v Speaker 2>of the other characters. But anyway, the thing that this

0:33:10.727 --> 0:33:12.807
<v Speaker 2>movie is so beautiful. I read this headline in Vulture

0:33:12.807 --> 0:33:14.527
<v Speaker 2>that was so true. It's like the wild robot will

0:33:14.567 --> 0:33:19.007
<v Speaker 2>ruin you. And it's tears so beautiful to look at.

0:33:19.047 --> 0:33:21.447
<v Speaker 2>It's been made like a painting. It's got this beautiful

0:33:21.447 --> 0:33:24.367
<v Speaker 2>slow pace but not like boring, but this beautiful pace

0:33:24.447 --> 0:33:27.367
<v Speaker 2>to it. But most of all, it's the story of

0:33:27.407 --> 0:33:30.727
<v Speaker 2>this robot who inadvertently manages to kill a whole load

0:33:30.767 --> 0:33:34.087
<v Speaker 2>of geese and then find an egg, and that when

0:33:34.087 --> 0:33:36.127
<v Speaker 2>the egg pops out, it imprints on her because you

0:33:36.127 --> 0:33:39.847
<v Speaker 2>know that's what babybirds do, and then the robot has

0:33:39.887 --> 0:33:41.567
<v Speaker 2>to raise this baby bird.

0:33:41.647 --> 0:33:42.327
<v Speaker 1>But she's got.

0:33:42.167 --> 0:33:46.087
<v Speaker 4>Anything to that baby bird. I am absolutely done.

0:33:46.287 --> 0:33:50.887
<v Speaker 2>Hello gostlings in print on the first thing they see,

0:33:51.087 --> 0:33:53.407
<v Speaker 2>which would be you frei innother.

0:33:53.607 --> 0:33:57.887
<v Speaker 4>Now I do not have the programming, No one does.

0:33:58.087 --> 0:33:59.927
<v Speaker 2>He needs to swim and fly.

0:34:00.327 --> 0:34:01.447
<v Speaker 1>Swimming's easy.

0:34:01.687 --> 0:34:06.247
<v Speaker 3>I can teach him the way my mom tout knee swim.

0:34:07.247 --> 0:34:10.847
<v Speaker 2>She is not maternal, she has no feelings. She's a

0:34:10.967 --> 0:34:14.967
<v Speaker 2>robot right exactly. And the thing is, it's got all

0:34:15.007 --> 0:34:17.367
<v Speaker 2>these beautiful things say about motherhood, particularly for those of

0:34:17.447 --> 0:34:19.167
<v Speaker 2>us who maybe were worried we weren't going to be

0:34:19.207 --> 0:34:21.527
<v Speaker 2>good at it or it didn't necessarily come natural. I've

0:34:21.527 --> 0:34:23.407
<v Speaker 2>always amazed and in awe of people who are like

0:34:23.447 --> 0:34:24.887
<v Speaker 2>I always knew and I was going to be a

0:34:24.887 --> 0:34:28.127
<v Speaker 2>great mom and maternal. I'm not a born nurturer, nor

0:34:28.247 --> 0:34:29.447
<v Speaker 2>is my robot friend.

0:34:29.287 --> 0:34:31.767
<v Speaker 4>Ros you're over relating to the robot.

0:34:31.887 --> 0:34:35.127
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but it's so beautiful and then it's all about

0:34:35.127 --> 0:34:38.247
<v Speaker 2>like the journey, and I can't recommend it more. It's funny,

0:34:38.287 --> 0:34:40.927
<v Speaker 2>it's clever, it's beautiful to look at. It's called The

0:34:40.927 --> 0:34:42.007
<v Speaker 2>Wild Robot. And I cried.

0:34:42.207 --> 0:34:43.887
<v Speaker 1>There's a film that we are all going to go

0:34:43.927 --> 0:34:47.527
<v Speaker 1>and see in a week or so, The Substance, with

0:34:47.727 --> 0:34:50.967
<v Speaker 1>Demi Moour and Margaret Quali, and it's all about a

0:34:51.007 --> 0:34:54.647
<v Speaker 1>woman who takes a substance to make her younger. And

0:34:54.767 --> 0:34:56.927
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to an interview with Demi Moour, who's

0:34:56.967 --> 0:35:00.127
<v Speaker 1>on the publicity trail. She's in her early sixties now,

0:35:00.247 --> 0:35:02.607
<v Speaker 1>which you wouldn't know if you saw a picture of her.

0:35:02.927 --> 0:35:05.607
<v Speaker 1>I know, that's a whole other conversation. But I was

0:35:05.647 --> 0:35:08.207
<v Speaker 1>listening to this interview that the New York Times did

0:35:08.247 --> 0:35:12.727
<v Speaker 1>with her, and she was talking about how she's no

0:35:12.767 --> 0:35:16.087
<v Speaker 1>longer worried about the male gaze, which if you've seen

0:35:16.087 --> 0:35:19.007
<v Speaker 1>a picture of her lately, that's an interesting thing for

0:35:19.047 --> 0:35:22.927
<v Speaker 1>her to say, because she is very male gazy. Anyway,

0:35:23.087 --> 0:35:27.327
<v Speaker 1>father about this, but I was interested in the contradiction. Anyway,

0:35:27.367 --> 0:35:29.767
<v Speaker 1>she mentioned a memoir that she'd written, and I didn't

0:35:29.807 --> 0:35:31.527
<v Speaker 1>realize that she'd written a memoir, but it was about

0:35:31.527 --> 0:35:34.487
<v Speaker 1>five years ago, maybe a little bit longer. So I

0:35:34.607 --> 0:35:37.087
<v Speaker 1>downloaded it as an audiobook, and I was traveling over

0:35:37.087 --> 0:35:39.287
<v Speaker 1>the last couple of weeks and I've been listening to it.

0:35:39.247 --> 0:35:40.207
<v Speaker 2>Because she narrate it.

0:35:40.447 --> 0:35:44.527
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but she speaks a little bit slowly, So

0:35:44.567 --> 0:35:47.007
<v Speaker 1>I made it one point two to five speed, so

0:35:47.087 --> 0:35:49.567
<v Speaker 1>it's to me, but a little let me drawly. I

0:35:49.687 --> 0:35:54.247
<v Speaker 1>made it, and it was so interesting. Now I understand.

0:35:54.247 --> 0:35:57.327
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm very well positioned to go and

0:35:57.327 --> 0:36:00.287
<v Speaker 1>see the substance and to understand to me more a

0:36:00.327 --> 0:36:02.647
<v Speaker 1>lot more. I mean, she was in the famous movies

0:36:02.687 --> 0:36:06.327
<v Speaker 1>like Sonelmo's Fire About last Night Ghost, really iconic in

0:36:06.327 --> 0:36:06.767
<v Speaker 1>the eighties, and.

0:36:06.767 --> 0:36:10.327
<v Speaker 2>A substances fiction correct, and that she's it's horror.

0:36:10.807 --> 0:36:13.047
<v Speaker 1>No, I understand that, but it's very you know, there's

0:36:13.087 --> 0:36:16.087
<v Speaker 1>Oscar talk around it, because it's about this idea of

0:36:16.087 --> 0:36:20.927
<v Speaker 1>this aging celebrity who's offered the chance to wind back

0:36:20.967 --> 0:36:25.007
<v Speaker 1>time and look young in her aging body after she's

0:36:25.047 --> 0:36:27.087
<v Speaker 1>told that she's fired from her job because no one

0:36:27.087 --> 0:36:29.047
<v Speaker 1>wants to look at it. I think in the movie

0:36:29.087 --> 0:36:32.447
<v Speaker 1>she's in her early fifties. And so I just learned

0:36:32.607 --> 0:36:35.527
<v Speaker 1>so much about I mean, she's had this very interesting life,

0:36:35.567 --> 0:36:40.527
<v Speaker 1>married to Bruce Willis, Ashton Kutcher, three daughters, substance abuse,

0:36:41.327 --> 0:36:44.767
<v Speaker 1>most messed up childhood. And I've got a lot more

0:36:45.207 --> 0:36:49.367
<v Speaker 1>compassion for her now. Or is it really matter when

0:36:49.407 --> 0:36:51.887
<v Speaker 1>it's an audio book, you know, because it's really just

0:36:51.967 --> 0:36:54.127
<v Speaker 1>her recounting her life.

0:36:54.327 --> 0:36:55.207
<v Speaker 2>It's an autobiography.

0:36:55.287 --> 0:36:57.527
<v Speaker 1>So it starts when she was a kid and it

0:36:57.607 --> 0:36:59.927
<v Speaker 1>goes all the way until you know, a few years

0:36:59.927 --> 0:37:02.487
<v Speaker 1>ago when she broke up with Ashton and ended up

0:37:02.527 --> 0:37:06.487
<v Speaker 1>going back into rehab and a whole bunch of stuff.

0:37:06.607 --> 0:37:08.967
<v Speaker 1>You've got me into audiobooks whole, and I always forget

0:37:08.967 --> 0:37:10.687
<v Speaker 1>and some times when there's something I want to read

0:37:11.407 --> 0:37:14.447
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like I can't sit still, audiobooks are

0:37:14.447 --> 0:37:16.527
<v Speaker 1>a really great way of being able to do stuff

0:37:16.687 --> 0:37:17.567
<v Speaker 1>while you're listening.

0:37:18.127 --> 0:37:23.607
<v Speaker 3>My recommendation is the new season of Couples Therapy.

0:37:23.927 --> 0:37:27.967
<v Speaker 2>Love is patient. She has zero patients.

0:37:28.887 --> 0:37:29.847
<v Speaker 1>Love is kind.

0:37:30.407 --> 0:37:35.887
<v Speaker 2>He punishes me with silence, Love listens. I disagree with that.

0:37:36.047 --> 0:37:36.447
<v Speaker 3>Suse me.

0:37:36.767 --> 0:37:38.847
<v Speaker 2>I'm begging you to talk to me. Find something you

0:37:38.927 --> 0:37:44.007
<v Speaker 2>always have an extreme here, stop start Love is commitment.

0:37:44.967 --> 0:37:47.927
<v Speaker 1>Rather than leave it alone, let's do something radical here

0:37:48.367 --> 0:37:48.727
<v Speaker 1>on me.

0:37:48.767 --> 0:37:51.007
<v Speaker 2>Tell me, have you ever watched I've never watched it,

0:37:51.007 --> 0:37:52.967
<v Speaker 2>but I hear people talk about it all the time,

0:37:53.287 --> 0:37:55.687
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like that sounds like is it like a

0:37:55.727 --> 0:37:57.607
<v Speaker 2>reality show or a fiction?

0:37:58.167 --> 0:38:01.607
<v Speaker 3>It's not really reality. It's more a documentary. And it

0:38:01.767 --> 0:38:05.247
<v Speaker 3>is a couples therapist named doctor awna girlnick.

0:38:05.367 --> 0:38:06.447
<v Speaker 1>Why would anyone do this?

0:38:07.127 --> 0:38:11.847
<v Speaker 3>I wonder that too, because they're talking about the most private,

0:38:12.567 --> 0:38:16.607
<v Speaker 3>mortifying Yeah, but it is so good. So it's four couples.

0:38:17.167 --> 0:38:21.807
<v Speaker 3>There's a same sex couple, there's a poly situation and

0:38:21.847 --> 0:38:25.447
<v Speaker 3>then two straight couples. But things that you think are

0:38:25.487 --> 0:38:28.447
<v Speaker 3>small that end up actually being really big. I've found

0:38:28.487 --> 0:38:32.447
<v Speaker 3>the discussions around jealousy with the poly relationship really insightful.

0:38:32.967 --> 0:38:36.087
<v Speaker 3>But my additional recommendation is to watch it with your

0:38:36.247 --> 0:38:37.047
<v Speaker 3>partner if you have.

0:38:38.847 --> 0:38:42.807
<v Speaker 2>That sounds really like your.

0:38:41.807 --> 0:38:44.447
<v Speaker 3>Hand, and then you pause it and then you look

0:38:44.487 --> 0:38:47.007
<v Speaker 3>at them and then you wait for them, just because

0:38:47.047 --> 0:38:50.047
<v Speaker 3>it is often sounds a good trap, it's really really good.

0:38:51.007 --> 0:38:52.207
<v Speaker 4>Then there are bits that we agree on.

0:38:52.287 --> 0:38:56.047
<v Speaker 3>So there's a couple where the man, so you know how,

0:38:56.087 --> 0:38:58.327
<v Speaker 3>you get into a dynamic which everyone can relate with,

0:38:58.367 --> 0:39:00.887
<v Speaker 3>where it's like the woman wants things done a certain

0:39:00.887 --> 0:39:03.087
<v Speaker 3>way and then the man feels like you can't do

0:39:03.127 --> 0:39:05.447
<v Speaker 3>anything right, blah blah blah, And they go into all

0:39:05.487 --> 0:39:09.087
<v Speaker 3>this detail about how he vacuums and mops the floor

0:39:09.327 --> 0:39:11.927
<v Speaker 3>for wiping down the bench, and she's like, but once

0:39:11.967 --> 0:39:13.647
<v Speaker 3>you wipe down the bench, everything from the bench is

0:39:13.687 --> 0:39:15.487
<v Speaker 3>going to go on the floor. And at that point

0:39:15.567 --> 0:39:17.047
<v Speaker 3>Luca and I stopped and went, no, we're both in

0:39:17.087 --> 0:39:19.167
<v Speaker 3>agreement that you must wipe down the bench before you

0:39:19.207 --> 0:39:21.967
<v Speaker 3>do the floor, because that's just the most ridiculous, sister,

0:39:22.607 --> 0:39:23.647
<v Speaker 3>It is really really good.

0:39:23.767 --> 0:39:25.727
<v Speaker 2>It's become a bit of a celebrity. She's on podcasts

0:39:25.767 --> 0:39:26.607
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. Is she great?

0:39:26.727 --> 0:39:27.047
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:39:27.087 --> 0:39:31.047
<v Speaker 3>And if you, like many people, are at a moment

0:39:31.087 --> 0:39:33.047
<v Speaker 3>where you're trying to decide whether or not to get

0:39:33.047 --> 0:39:36.687
<v Speaker 3>anti wrinkle injections, then may I suggests that you just

0:39:36.727 --> 0:39:39.687
<v Speaker 3>watch this woman's forehead and the expression she just is

0:39:39.727 --> 0:39:43.247
<v Speaker 3>just therapy with her forehead, and I'm like, oh, best

0:39:43.287 --> 0:39:46.727
<v Speaker 3>supporting actor exactly her forehead loves love It.

0:39:46.847 --> 0:39:49.407
<v Speaker 2>A reminder that all our recommendations, the links to all

0:39:49.407 --> 0:39:51.847
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<v Speaker 2>Now it's time for best and worst of the week.

0:40:24.167 --> 0:40:25.967
<v Speaker 2>Remember this is a time where we can be silly,

0:40:26.047 --> 0:40:29.287
<v Speaker 2>we can be serious, but we try and avoid anything heavy.

0:40:29.447 --> 0:40:31.767
<v Speaker 2>Maya Friedman, what was your worst of the week.

0:40:32.127 --> 0:40:36.047
<v Speaker 1>My worst was trying to have a chat with a

0:40:36.127 --> 0:40:40.127
<v Speaker 1>stranger who had her hand in my vagina.

0:40:42.127 --> 0:40:43.047
<v Speaker 4>Very common worst for you.

0:40:43.167 --> 0:40:48.407
<v Speaker 1>Well, we made eye contact, and funnily enough, it's just

0:40:48.447 --> 0:40:50.807
<v Speaker 1>another Tuesday in me as well. It was a hand

0:40:50.847 --> 0:40:56.047
<v Speaker 1>that had also been in Jesse's vagina, and you're paying

0:40:56.087 --> 0:40:56.407
<v Speaker 1>for it.

0:40:56.607 --> 0:40:57.567
<v Speaker 2>We both paid for it.

0:40:58.447 --> 0:41:02.127
<v Speaker 1>So I went hand. No, maybe it wasn't hand, maybe

0:41:02.127 --> 0:41:03.967
<v Speaker 1>it was a finger. I don't know. It was just

0:41:04.047 --> 0:41:09.367
<v Speaker 1>like usually when you get so anyway I was, I

0:41:09.367 --> 0:41:11.287
<v Speaker 1>should say where I was. I was at a pelvic

0:41:11.447 --> 0:41:15.407
<v Speaker 1>physio because of the recommendation, but Jesse told me to

0:41:15.447 --> 0:41:17.407
<v Speaker 1>go there, so I ended up seeing I don't think

0:41:17.447 --> 0:41:20.527
<v Speaker 1>I meant to book the same doctor as you anyway, physiotherapist.

0:41:20.607 --> 0:41:21.007
<v Speaker 2>I did.

0:41:21.407 --> 0:41:24.207
<v Speaker 1>I didn't try not to. Anyway, we didn't talk about

0:41:24.207 --> 0:41:25.887
<v Speaker 1>you while she had her hand up there. You'll be

0:41:25.927 --> 0:41:26.447
<v Speaker 1>pleased to know.

0:41:26.567 --> 0:41:29.967
<v Speaker 2>This gets weird at this show, im HR.

0:41:30.087 --> 0:41:30.367
<v Speaker 5>I know.

0:41:30.807 --> 0:41:34.287
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I've been having pelvic floor issues. I'm tired

0:41:34.327 --> 0:41:35.927
<v Speaker 1>of it. I need to work on my pelvic floor,

0:41:36.407 --> 0:41:39.127
<v Speaker 1>you know, coughing, wing, all that stuff. So Jesse said,

0:41:39.127 --> 0:41:41.567
<v Speaker 1>go to the pelvic floor physio, which she did during

0:41:41.567 --> 0:41:43.847
<v Speaker 1>her pregnancy. So I did, Claire, I didn't know that

0:41:43.887 --> 0:41:46.527
<v Speaker 1>was even a thing, but they're popping up everywhere now.

0:41:46.687 --> 0:41:48.247
<v Speaker 1>So I went, and you had to do some fun

0:41:48.247 --> 0:41:51.207
<v Speaker 1>things like strip down to your undies and stand in

0:41:51.247 --> 0:41:56.487
<v Speaker 1>the mirror with the very taut young physio behind you

0:41:56.887 --> 0:42:00.287
<v Speaker 1>and just quite confronting. But she was like, you're all

0:42:00.327 --> 0:42:03.007
<v Speaker 1>lopsided and here's what's happening. And these muscles are pushing

0:42:03.047 --> 0:42:04.727
<v Speaker 1>down on your pelvic floor and you can see.

0:42:04.967 --> 0:42:07.007
<v Speaker 4>Could you do a squeeze when she wanted you to squeeze?

0:42:07.007 --> 0:42:08.487
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, So then I was lying down. She goes,

0:42:08.567 --> 0:42:11.327
<v Speaker 1>just so you know that there is also an internal situation,

0:42:11.647 --> 0:42:13.607
<v Speaker 1>and I went, yeah, I know, and she goes, you'd

0:42:13.607 --> 0:42:16.487
<v Speaker 1>be surprised when people don't, and they're very I'm like,

0:42:16.527 --> 0:42:18.567
<v Speaker 1>what what do they think? You're gonna look look at

0:42:18.567 --> 0:42:20.727
<v Speaker 1>their outsides and give a diagnosis.

0:42:20.767 --> 0:42:21.807
<v Speaker 2>So I was prepared.

0:42:22.127 --> 0:42:23.407
<v Speaker 4>So how did you go with this squeazing?

0:42:23.807 --> 0:42:24.687
<v Speaker 1>It's difficult.

0:42:24.887 --> 0:42:26.127
<v Speaker 2>So she's squeezed.

0:42:27.607 --> 0:42:29.407
<v Speaker 1>At one point, yeah, well her fingers up there. But

0:42:29.407 --> 0:42:31.407
<v Speaker 1>at one point also she's got like a paddle popstick

0:42:31.447 --> 0:42:35.487
<v Speaker 1>and she's measuring things and it's like it's quite a situation.

0:42:35.847 --> 0:42:38.927
<v Speaker 1>But usually, like I'm completely unfussed, Like it always makes

0:42:38.967 --> 0:42:41.047
<v Speaker 1>me laugh when she goes, I'll just leave the room

0:42:41.167 --> 0:42:43.607
<v Speaker 1>and you can get unchanged. And I'm like, given what's

0:42:43.647 --> 0:42:46.807
<v Speaker 1>about to happen, me taking my undies off is the

0:42:47.007 --> 0:42:49.007
<v Speaker 1>least of my concerns. And also I don't care. I've

0:42:49.047 --> 0:42:51.087
<v Speaker 1>had three babies. I don't care, So I'm like not

0:42:51.127 --> 0:42:54.047
<v Speaker 1>fussed about that stuff. But when you're examined usually it's

0:42:54.127 --> 0:42:56.927
<v Speaker 1>like they examine you, they do the thing, and then

0:42:56.967 --> 0:43:00.007
<v Speaker 1>they finish right, but she sort of like does it.

0:43:00.087 --> 0:43:02.567
<v Speaker 1>But then she's sort of her hands there and you're talking,

0:43:02.647 --> 0:43:04.647
<v Speaker 1>like not chatting about the weather and what you're watching

0:43:04.687 --> 0:43:07.007
<v Speaker 1>on TV, but talking about.

0:43:06.847 --> 0:43:08.807
<v Speaker 2>The actual pelvic floor situation, and.

0:43:08.807 --> 0:43:10.487
<v Speaker 1>She's expling a lot of things. It was good, she

0:43:10.527 --> 0:43:13.367
<v Speaker 1>was terrific, and the whole thing was terrific, if mildly depressing,

0:43:13.927 --> 0:43:16.527
<v Speaker 1>but it just was weird. And then she told me

0:43:16.567 --> 0:43:19.007
<v Speaker 1>all these things, and I realized when I got home,

0:43:19.687 --> 0:43:21.487
<v Speaker 1>I forgot all of them because it's a lot of

0:43:21.527 --> 0:43:23.607
<v Speaker 1>information to take in, and it's this and you've got

0:43:23.647 --> 0:43:25.127
<v Speaker 1>to do this, and you've got to do it's not

0:43:25.167 --> 0:43:28.527
<v Speaker 1>just doing kegels, because apparently what I do is I've

0:43:28.607 --> 0:43:31.007
<v Speaker 1>never got my pelvic floor rest.

0:43:31.207 --> 0:43:32.527
<v Speaker 2>Yes, fully relaxed.

0:43:32.727 --> 0:43:35.407
<v Speaker 1>And when it's always a little bit pulled, then you

0:43:35.447 --> 0:43:37.767
<v Speaker 1>can't when it needs to go more, you don't have

0:43:37.887 --> 0:43:43.807
<v Speaker 1>enough room. Anyway, it's a relaxed So then I got home.

0:43:44.847 --> 0:43:48.607
<v Speaker 1>I've got to do our strength training exercises and osteo. Anyway,

0:43:48.727 --> 0:43:51.847
<v Speaker 1>it was just it was an interesting time. My best

0:43:52.287 --> 0:43:58.367
<v Speaker 1>is our new social producer Isabelle Dolphin, and yeah, it

0:43:58.447 --> 0:44:01.607
<v Speaker 1>is cool. Everyone that works on this except for us,

0:44:01.807 --> 0:44:04.607
<v Speaker 1>does sound bad made up. So we've always wanted our

0:44:04.687 --> 0:44:09.087
<v Speaker 1>own private, personal, full time social producer on this show.

0:44:09.287 --> 0:44:11.727
<v Speaker 1>And we've asked and asked and asked, but the asshole

0:44:11.727 --> 0:44:17.167
<v Speaker 1>bosses me have always said no, can't. Now finally, after

0:44:17.207 --> 0:44:19.647
<v Speaker 1>ten years, we're gonna have now. Che talked yourself round,

0:44:19.727 --> 0:44:22.367
<v Speaker 1>I talk myself round. No, it's not just me, you know,

0:44:22.407 --> 0:44:24.767
<v Speaker 1>there's a whole lot of people. But also I did

0:44:24.887 --> 0:44:27.767
<v Speaker 1>just say, hey, we need a present. We need a

0:44:27.807 --> 0:44:29.647
<v Speaker 1>little treat for our tenth birthday, and we'd like it

0:44:29.687 --> 0:44:33.527
<v Speaker 1>to be Dolph. Anyway, My best is Dolph because have

0:44:33.607 --> 0:44:35.447
<v Speaker 1>a look at our Instagram, have a look at us

0:44:35.447 --> 0:44:38.287
<v Speaker 1>on TikTok. We don't understand that stuff, but she does.

0:44:38.367 --> 0:44:41.407
<v Speaker 1>And She's just all the stuff that we've always wanted.

0:44:41.527 --> 0:44:44.367
<v Speaker 1>It's so fun. It's so funny. My daughter and her girlfriend,

0:44:44.407 --> 0:44:47.567
<v Speaker 1>who are very hard task masters, are like, hey, out loud,

0:44:47.967 --> 0:44:51.167
<v Speaker 1>really funny, really cool on Instagram, what's going on? And

0:44:51.207 --> 0:44:53.287
<v Speaker 1>we said Dolph and they're like, oh, it's Dolph.

0:44:53.367 --> 0:44:54.007
<v Speaker 2>We love Dolf.

0:44:54.527 --> 0:44:57.207
<v Speaker 1>So it's just fun. It's I love working with people

0:44:57.247 --> 0:45:00.047
<v Speaker 1>who know more than I do about things and who

0:45:00.087 --> 0:45:03.207
<v Speaker 1>teaches stuff, and the things that she's doing with us

0:45:03.327 --> 0:45:06.927
<v Speaker 1>and getting us to do are just very very funny.

0:45:07.087 --> 0:45:08.727
<v Speaker 2>You'll be able to tell if you have been watching.

0:45:08.767 --> 0:45:10.527
<v Speaker 2>She just asks me to do things. I just do

0:45:10.607 --> 0:45:14.927
<v Speaker 2>them without even thinking. Later I'm like, oh, same.

0:45:15.207 --> 0:45:18.047
<v Speaker 1>So this week we've been dancing, we've been signing autograph.

0:45:18.167 --> 0:45:20.047
<v Speaker 1>It's been very funny. But go have a look at

0:45:20.047 --> 0:45:22.967
<v Speaker 1>our Instagram and TikTok and our TikTok and it's all off.

0:45:23.087 --> 0:45:24.807
<v Speaker 2>Jesse, you've got to go next, because you're not allowed

0:45:24.807 --> 0:45:27.487
<v Speaker 2>to go last because you're being depressing. I tell me

0:45:27.527 --> 0:45:28.727
<v Speaker 2>about why you're being depressing.

0:45:28.887 --> 0:45:31.167
<v Speaker 4>I am being depressing. I've just had this. I've just

0:45:31.207 --> 0:45:32.047
<v Speaker 4>had a shit week.

0:45:33.207 --> 0:45:35.887
<v Speaker 3>I had something chopped out of my head recently to

0:45:35.967 --> 0:45:38.487
<v Speaker 3>check if it was a skin cancer. And the most

0:45:38.487 --> 0:45:40.327
<v Speaker 3>annoying thing about this was that it was a scabby

0:45:40.367 --> 0:45:43.087
<v Speaker 3>little thing. And I went to my yearly check up.

0:45:43.127 --> 0:45:47.207
<v Speaker 3>I am so diligent with my skin checks because I

0:45:47.247 --> 0:45:48.647
<v Speaker 3>know I'm a freckly white girl.

0:45:48.687 --> 0:45:50.887
<v Speaker 1>In your family, a lot of people had things cut out.

0:45:51.007 --> 0:45:51.207
<v Speaker 5>Yep.

0:45:51.327 --> 0:45:53.487
<v Speaker 3>So went and got it checked. All fine, it's just

0:45:53.527 --> 0:45:55.447
<v Speaker 3>a bit of dry skin. I went back because I went,

0:45:55.487 --> 0:45:58.367
<v Speaker 3>this scat's getting a little bit bigger. It's all all good.

0:45:58.407 --> 0:46:00.447
<v Speaker 3>Put some vitamin A on it. And then I was

0:46:00.447 --> 0:46:03.927
<v Speaker 3>at the doctor for Luna, like last week maybe, and

0:46:03.967 --> 0:46:06.327
<v Speaker 3>I said to the doctor, Hey, it was a different doctor,

0:46:06.367 --> 0:46:08.247
<v Speaker 3>and I said, I've tried this vitamin anything. Apparently this

0:46:08.327 --> 0:46:09.047
<v Speaker 3>is just some dry skin.

0:46:09.327 --> 0:46:10.807
<v Speaker 1>Was right on your hairlines. So why would you have

0:46:10.847 --> 0:46:13.607
<v Speaker 1>a bit of dry skin randomly exactly one part of your.

0:46:13.487 --> 0:46:15.887
<v Speaker 3>Hair And I pointed to it and he said, immediately

0:46:15.927 --> 0:46:19.927
<v Speaker 3>that's a BASc I can tell that's a battle celloma,

0:46:20.367 --> 0:46:23.567
<v Speaker 3>which is a skin cancer. It's not melanoma, but it's

0:46:23.607 --> 0:46:26.127
<v Speaker 3>not ideal. And so I had to get a biopsy

0:46:26.167 --> 0:46:29.567
<v Speaker 3>the next day and then no, it didn't hurt at all.

0:46:29.607 --> 0:46:31.407
<v Speaker 3>And I've had one removed from my arm before and

0:46:31.447 --> 0:46:34.487
<v Speaker 3>that did hurt, but this was fine, came back b SC.

0:46:34.687 --> 0:46:36.887
<v Speaker 3>So I've got to go to a plastic surgeon to

0:46:36.967 --> 0:46:40.287
<v Speaker 3>go and get this thing removed, and I know, cut

0:46:40.487 --> 0:46:43.087
<v Speaker 3>out or I've got to get the whole thing, and

0:46:43.127 --> 0:46:45.367
<v Speaker 3>because it's gone under the skin, I've got to get

0:46:45.367 --> 0:46:46.607
<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. And I think I'm going to walk

0:46:46.607 --> 0:46:48.687
<v Speaker 3>into a plastic surgeon and they're going to be like.

0:46:48.887 --> 0:46:51.207
<v Speaker 1>No, that's not I don't think that's how it works.

0:46:51.287 --> 0:46:52.767
<v Speaker 1>That's a different kind of plastics.

0:46:52.887 --> 0:46:54.367
<v Speaker 4>It's actually not. It's no.

0:46:54.487 --> 0:46:56.487
<v Speaker 3>They give you a referral and that the doctor was

0:46:56.487 --> 0:46:59.847
<v Speaker 3>looking through and he's like this one specialized in breast augmentation.

0:47:00.007 --> 0:47:02.567
<v Speaker 4>I was like, not that one, not that one.

0:47:02.687 --> 0:47:04.367
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of no.

0:47:04.487 --> 0:47:06.527
<v Speaker 1>But it's good because you want them to be esthetic

0:47:07.367 --> 0:47:10.407
<v Speaker 1>or aesthetic because that's the whole point. And it's on

0:47:10.567 --> 0:47:12.367
<v Speaker 1>your face. Yeah, So if they didn't need it to

0:47:12.407 --> 0:47:15.967
<v Speaker 1>be esthetic, you could just have any old place and

0:47:16.407 --> 0:47:16.967
<v Speaker 1>I could do it.

0:47:17.047 --> 0:47:19.047
<v Speaker 3>Hold your thoughts, that's what I want to say. The

0:47:19.047 --> 0:47:22.567
<v Speaker 3>plastic surgion just remove my things. But now I've got

0:47:22.567 --> 0:47:24.327
<v Speaker 3>a phobia of the sun. So I was even at

0:47:24.367 --> 0:47:26.847
<v Speaker 3>lunch today and I put sunscreen on in the morning,

0:47:27.167 --> 0:47:27.967
<v Speaker 3>the feeling of sun.

0:47:28.007 --> 0:47:30.607
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like a phobia to have. You also need

0:47:30.647 --> 0:47:31.287
<v Speaker 2>a hat, sweetie.

0:47:31.327 --> 0:47:32.527
<v Speaker 4>I knows I had to work.

0:47:32.527 --> 0:47:34.367
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I got? Sent a couple of

0:47:34.367 --> 0:47:38.407
<v Speaker 1>hats by this amazing Australian female founder brand that I've

0:47:38.447 --> 0:47:40.607
<v Speaker 1>forgotten but I'll put a link to in our newsletter.

0:47:41.087 --> 0:47:43.687
<v Speaker 1>I've got some of their hats. They're like umbrellas for

0:47:43.767 --> 0:47:46.687
<v Speaker 1>your head and done them where the laugh just sent her.

0:47:47.287 --> 0:47:49.647
<v Speaker 1>They've just done that black, which is perfect for you.

0:47:49.887 --> 0:47:51.847
<v Speaker 1>And what it is is like having a like a

0:47:51.847 --> 0:47:54.007
<v Speaker 1>full awning on my head.

0:47:54.087 --> 0:47:56.767
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you head, so I'll sort you out.

0:47:56.847 --> 0:47:57.447
<v Speaker 4>Oh I like that.

0:47:57.487 --> 0:47:59.527
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I reminded me I need the skin check, So

0:47:59.607 --> 0:48:00.167
<v Speaker 2>thank you for the.

0:48:00.567 --> 0:48:03.207
<v Speaker 3>Carter I think the brand is called and actually reminder

0:48:03.287 --> 0:48:05.087
<v Speaker 3>for that it looked like a scab. It wasn't a freckle.

0:48:05.207 --> 0:48:06.767
<v Speaker 3>And so if you've got anything looks like a little

0:48:06.767 --> 0:48:10.607
<v Speaker 3>scabgo get checked out. And my the worst actually is

0:48:10.927 --> 0:48:13.247
<v Speaker 3>that I've realized I was speaking to Holly about this

0:48:13.327 --> 0:48:16.527
<v Speaker 3>last week. I just haven't been writing and I'm making

0:48:16.527 --> 0:48:17.727
<v Speaker 3>me really sad.

0:48:17.927 --> 0:48:19.247
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like who I am.

0:48:19.367 --> 0:48:22.327
<v Speaker 3>No may neither, and I've just I've been in a

0:48:22.447 --> 0:48:24.287
<v Speaker 3>funk in terms of writing, and it's probably to do

0:48:24.367 --> 0:48:27.927
<v Speaker 3>with time, but like Luna is fifteen months or something.

0:48:28.007 --> 0:48:30.047
<v Speaker 3>I've written a handful of articles, like I just I'm

0:48:30.127 --> 0:48:33.967
<v Speaker 3>not and I'm watching scripts. Oh yeah, I'm writing scripts,

0:48:34.007 --> 0:48:36.767
<v Speaker 3>but that just feels like dialogue. It's not like and

0:48:36.807 --> 0:48:40.607
<v Speaker 3>I'm reading this brilliant book at the moment that I'm

0:48:40.647 --> 0:48:44.047
<v Speaker 3>finding so inspiring, and I'm just what it's all for?

0:48:45.607 --> 0:48:46.127
<v Speaker 4>The writing?

0:48:46.207 --> 0:48:48.007
<v Speaker 3>You know, when you just read something that's so inspiring

0:48:48.447 --> 0:48:49.807
<v Speaker 3>and I keep thinking, oh, I want to write, I

0:48:49.847 --> 0:48:51.647
<v Speaker 3>want to write, and then I get like a pen

0:48:51.967 --> 0:48:54.287
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I don't know what to write, Like it's

0:48:54.327 --> 0:48:56.087
<v Speaker 3>just a weird I feel kind of stuck. So I

0:48:56.127 --> 0:48:57.607
<v Speaker 3>want to start writing again because I'm.

0:48:57.527 --> 0:48:58.967
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like writing a book or you just

0:48:59.007 --> 0:49:02.647
<v Speaker 1>want to write?

0:49:03.527 --> 0:49:04.567
<v Speaker 4>I could write that tonight.

0:49:04.807 --> 0:49:06.967
<v Speaker 2>This is the process, though, this is your You're reving

0:49:07.047 --> 0:49:09.047
<v Speaker 2>up because obviously you will write another book soon, and

0:49:09.087 --> 0:49:12.167
<v Speaker 2>you just beginning to rev up your inputting, like yeah,

0:49:12.207 --> 0:49:14.687
<v Speaker 2>you've brainspread a book that's made you go ah, and

0:49:14.687 --> 0:49:16.767
<v Speaker 2>then you're inputting yeah, and it's like this is part

0:49:16.807 --> 0:49:18.007
<v Speaker 2>of the process. Don't be down.

0:49:18.167 --> 0:49:20.527
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good, it's the best part because it feels like

0:49:20.527 --> 0:49:23.167
<v Speaker 1>a pulling. I've got that too, like a yearning, like

0:49:23.247 --> 0:49:25.127
<v Speaker 1>I'm being pulled to write.

0:49:25.327 --> 0:49:26.087
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what I think.

0:49:26.247 --> 0:49:28.207
<v Speaker 3>And it's a different thing to get on a podcast,

0:49:28.287 --> 0:49:31.047
<v Speaker 3>and you know it's it's also a way of using

0:49:31.047 --> 0:49:31.967
<v Speaker 3>your brain, but not the same.

0:49:32.127 --> 0:49:33.247
<v Speaker 4>Holly, what's your worst?

0:49:33.527 --> 0:49:33.727
<v Speaker 3>Look?

0:49:33.767 --> 0:49:36.687
<v Speaker 2>My worst is very petty because you know how sometimes

0:49:37.047 --> 0:49:39.807
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood announcements will come out in this famous book or

0:49:39.807 --> 0:49:43.047
<v Speaker 2>whatever is being adapted and this star and this star

0:49:43.447 --> 0:49:45.727
<v Speaker 2>is in it, and the internet gets really upset. And

0:49:45.727 --> 0:49:47.727
<v Speaker 2>I always sit there going, you people need to get

0:49:47.727 --> 0:49:50.247
<v Speaker 2>a life. Why are you upset about this? I always

0:49:50.287 --> 0:49:54.287
<v Speaker 2>feel This week there was a Hollywood announcement about an

0:49:54.327 --> 0:49:57.087
<v Speaker 2>adaptation of a book that has really pissed me off.

0:49:58.487 --> 0:50:01.687
<v Speaker 2>So you know, our wonderful, brilliant, talented friend, Emerald Fanell,

0:50:01.767 --> 0:50:02.567
<v Speaker 2>she made Saltburn.

0:50:02.767 --> 0:50:04.607
<v Speaker 1>We're across and promising young woman.

0:50:05.847 --> 0:50:08.047
<v Speaker 2>I was very excited a while ago because her next

0:50:08.047 --> 0:50:11.847
<v Speaker 2>project is she's making Wuthering Heights. Wuthering Heights is my

0:50:12.167 --> 0:50:15.847
<v Speaker 2>favorite book. My two favorite books are Wuthering Heights and

0:50:15.927 --> 0:50:17.127
<v Speaker 2>Jane Eyre and they are.

0:50:17.327 --> 0:50:26.327
<v Speaker 4>You give me just sent wathering. Someone hiding in.

0:50:26.327 --> 0:50:32.567
<v Speaker 3>The room there's one someone in an attic anxiety work

0:50:32.647 --> 0:50:39.007
<v Speaker 3>with Wathering Heights. I feel like there's a big sprawling.

0:50:40.327 --> 0:50:42.647
<v Speaker 2>For the new and Zietgeys and everyone on the internet

0:50:42.727 --> 0:50:47.527
<v Speaker 2>talks about the Bronzie sisters. Fucking hell, they wrote the

0:50:47.567 --> 0:50:52.087
<v Speaker 2>most unbelievable books about women with their ink and freaking

0:50:52.287 --> 0:50:52.927
<v Speaker 2>whatever you call it.

0:50:53.207 --> 0:50:55.327
<v Speaker 4>I've read it, I just can't remember, probably.

0:50:55.327 --> 0:50:57.967
<v Speaker 2>On the moors in the north of England, and they

0:50:57.967 --> 0:50:59.647
<v Speaker 2>had to pretend to be men to get them published.

0:50:59.647 --> 0:51:03.087
<v Speaker 2>Like you people, You've got because it's the best book

0:51:03.127 --> 0:51:07.087
<v Speaker 2>ever written, you idiots anyway, So Wathering Heights is one

0:51:07.087 --> 0:51:09.687
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite books. So I was very excited because

0:51:09.727 --> 0:51:11.447
<v Speaker 2>she's going to do a fucking great job of that.

0:51:12.047 --> 0:51:13.207
<v Speaker 2>But guess who she's casting?

0:51:13.327 --> 0:51:15.847
<v Speaker 1>Hang on, is she setting it like in modern time?

0:51:16.047 --> 0:51:17.807
<v Speaker 2>We don't know. These are all things we don't know yet.

0:51:18.887 --> 0:51:22.007
<v Speaker 2>Doubt pretty aggressive. I'm very upset.

0:51:22.247 --> 0:51:23.247
<v Speaker 1>Could she be casting that?

0:51:23.287 --> 0:51:24.927
<v Speaker 2>You could care about this? Margo?

0:51:26.727 --> 0:51:27.887
<v Speaker 4>What's wrong with Margot Robbie?

0:51:27.887 --> 0:51:31.487
<v Speaker 2>She's perfect and Jacob Alordie perfect?

0:51:32.007 --> 0:51:34.367
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding? This is the only reason I'm going

0:51:34.407 --> 0:51:34.927
<v Speaker 1>to watch this.

0:51:35.887 --> 0:51:37.447
<v Speaker 4>Can I tell you people?

0:51:38.687 --> 0:51:41.367
<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you people that Cassie as the song

0:51:41.367 --> 0:51:42.007
<v Speaker 2>you were just singing.

0:51:42.887 --> 0:51:43.767
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what she's mean.

0:51:44.047 --> 0:51:48.047
<v Speaker 2>She's the lead in Wuthering Heights. She dies when she's nineteen.

0:51:51.007 --> 0:51:54.567
<v Speaker 2>Where I'm going, Yeah, so like, why are we casting

0:51:54.607 --> 0:51:55.527
<v Speaker 2>Margot Robbie?

0:51:57.047 --> 0:51:57.607
<v Speaker 1>I think she is.

0:51:57.727 --> 0:52:00.687
<v Speaker 2>I have faith Emerald for now. I'm sure her vision

0:52:01.207 --> 0:52:01.807
<v Speaker 2>beyond mine.

0:52:02.167 --> 0:52:05.647
<v Speaker 1>Like a young person Lawrence Laurence.

0:52:06.687 --> 0:52:10.927
<v Speaker 2>Too old, any one of those young Flibberty Gibbit types.

0:52:12.647 --> 0:52:13.807
<v Speaker 2>Not Sabrina.

0:52:15.047 --> 0:52:19.607
<v Speaker 1>She could be she could be busy and good. Jones

0:52:19.647 --> 0:52:20.407
<v Speaker 1>would be good.

0:52:20.647 --> 0:52:22.087
<v Speaker 4>I look very bronzes.

0:52:22.847 --> 0:52:26.567
<v Speaker 2>Cassie dies at nineteen, so what's wrong with jameb Cliff

0:52:27.487 --> 0:52:29.887
<v Speaker 2>is a monster? Yeah? I think he could play like

0:52:29.967 --> 0:52:35.287
<v Speaker 2>he is a dark month been anyone who is? He

0:52:35.367 --> 0:52:42.047
<v Speaker 2>did Jacob Lord, who's like pretty hate Australians because I

0:52:42.047 --> 0:52:44.807
<v Speaker 2>think this actually makes it sound interesting so funny, because

0:52:45.287 --> 0:52:46.967
<v Speaker 2>as I say, I don't buy into these things, and

0:52:47.007 --> 0:52:49.247
<v Speaker 2>then I saw that and I was like, I'm sorry anyway,

0:52:49.647 --> 0:52:52.407
<v Speaker 2>the point being I'm half joking because I know everything

0:52:52.527 --> 0:52:55.927
<v Speaker 2>was gonna do, but like, really, Margo Robbie as Cassie,

0:52:55.967 --> 0:52:57.527
<v Speaker 2>can we please wait?

0:52:57.607 --> 0:53:00.887
<v Speaker 4>Once Angelina Jolly's kid, hil she.

0:53:00.767 --> 0:53:01.407
<v Speaker 2>Would be good.

0:53:01.647 --> 0:53:03.247
<v Speaker 4>Shiloh would be good.

0:53:03.927 --> 0:53:08.727
<v Speaker 2>Dearly English and ideally you look like you have lived.

0:53:08.447 --> 0:53:11.567
<v Speaker 1>Your whole life locked on more Princess Charlotte.

0:53:13.527 --> 0:53:14.447
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Princes Arlotte.

0:53:14.527 --> 0:53:16.527
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so that was my worst. I got all

0:53:16.607 --> 0:53:18.967
<v Speaker 2>upset about that. I nearly wrote an angry comment somewhere

0:53:18.967 --> 0:53:22.047
<v Speaker 2>on the Internet that I was got a grip a

0:53:22.087 --> 0:53:26.487
<v Speaker 2>great woman. My best is related to my friend me.

0:53:26.567 --> 0:53:28.967
<v Speaker 2>I don't like to give it too much positive validation,

0:53:29.127 --> 0:53:31.927
<v Speaker 2>but I was start singing carefully and she needs to

0:53:31.927 --> 0:53:34.487
<v Speaker 2>read mothering heights. But apart from them, last week she

0:53:34.567 --> 0:53:36.207
<v Speaker 2>told me that clear. I was asked telling you how

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to clear up my wardrobe, and he

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<v Speaker 2>gave me all these tips of how to clear up

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<v Speaker 2>my wardrobe. I spent the weekend clearing up my water,

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<v Speaker 2>but it took me a lot longer than I was

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to an audio Bet you did it two

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<v Speaker 2>freaking days. It was me and Billy did it.

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<v Speaker 1>My crack.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I hated it anyway, but what came out of it

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<v Speaker 2>was what you predicted, which was new outfits. So on

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<v Speaker 2>a Tuesday Wednesday this week, I've worn shirts or skirts

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd forgotten that I had that I found at

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the closet. I took pictures of them,

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<v Speaker 2>like I shopped my closet. So you did me a

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<v Speaker 2>favor there.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend a few outladders have messaged me to say

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<v Speaker 1>I started to say about wardrobe storage, and then I went, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you later. Yeah, they said, I clickbaited. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'd tell Holly later. I didn't think anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else would care. My advice is go to Amazon and

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<v Speaker 1>search wardrobe storage and just enjoy the ride.

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<v Speaker 2>We know so many of you love are us presidential

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<v Speaker 2>election subscriber episodes. We've got a brand new one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite moving this episode because it's about January

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<v Speaker 1>sixth and the riots and the storming of the Capitol

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<v Speaker 1>Building in Washington, DC. And Amelia, who is friend of

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<v Speaker 1>the pod and amazing person, her husband was actually in

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<v Speaker 1>the Capitol building his doctor and he worked in there

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. And we're going to play you out

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<v Speaker 1>today with a little bit of that episode, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a link in the show notes if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I turned the TV off and I called

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<v Speaker 5>Johnny and I said, do you see that there are

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<v Speaker 5>like thousands of presumably armed mob protesters outside of your

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<v Speaker 5>building right now, and he said he didn't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 5>Everything seemed normal, so I thought, okay. So then eventually

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<v Speaker 5>I get a text from a very good friend of

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<v Speaker 5>mine who I charged with this, and I'll always remember

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<v Speaker 5>the text she texted me and she said, I'm so

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<v Speaker 5>sorry they're inside.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all we've got time for today. A big thank

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<v Speaker 2>you to all of you out loud as of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and a massive thank you to our very talented team.

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<v Speaker 2>That's executive producer Ruth Divine. This is what Maya was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about when she said people have goggles. Yeah, she's divine,

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<v Speaker 2>Ruth Divine. Our senior producer Emmeline gazillis excellent, excellent name.

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<v Speaker 2>Our audio producer Leah Porges, Yeah, I mean Adam and

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<v Speaker 2>how wonderful already aforementioned social media producer they amazing Isabelle Dolphin.

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<v Speaker 2>Crowd goes, well, we'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye.

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