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Speaker 3: Guys, everyone has a kid's book but me, and I

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Speaker 3: think I should have come a children's to.

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Speaker 1: Buy you a book like The Very Hungry Caterpillar. I

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Speaker 3: I think that I should write one because I think

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Speaker 3: it has come to my attention that everyone's written children's books.

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Speaker 2: So the celebrity children's book is a big, big.

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Speaker 3: And if I'm a celebrity, like, why am I spending

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Speaker 3: be a money machine. They must just be pretty, might be.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed Aated Nicodemu last week. She's written many. She

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Speaker 2: Maya.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, she loves the name Maya and it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and all of that's catered to your attention span.

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Speaker 1: For like seven eight year old Yeah, it's that primary school.

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Speaker 2: Well, look at Andy Lee, right, any parent listening to

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Speaker 2: this will be triggered by the words do not open

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Speaker 2: this book. He do not open this book series, and

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Speaker 2: now it's like you can get box sets and merch

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Speaker 4: I just need to be Andy Lee. But just the

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Speaker 4: book needs to be good.

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Speaker 1: What should it be about? Well, who's going to review it?

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Speaker 1: I think that you think, yeah, I know, you kind

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Speaker 4: They need to have a rhythm. All about the rhythm,

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Speaker 2: I want to apologize to any children's book authors who

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Speaker 1: I haven't printed.

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Speaker 2: Any money lately. Hello, and welcome to Mama Mire out

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Speaker 2: Loud and to our Friday show, you know the Friday show.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing a little dance because it's our fun show

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Speaker 2: right now today, It's Friday, the twenty seventh of September,

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Speaker 2: and I am Holly Waynwright.

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Speaker 1: I'm Meya Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens, children's book.

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Speaker 2: Author trying that on for size on the show today.

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Speaker 2: Imagine being so confident that when someone asks you if

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Speaker 2: going to be brilliant at it. Yeah, no, we need

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the female confidence trap. Plus, our weekend

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Speaker 2: recommendations include a movie for kids that's really for us,

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Speaker 2: a gen X Hollywood memoir, and the previous TV show

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Speaker 1: There has been a very interesting hit piece on Harry

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Speaker 2: But particularly got my hand up Mayor Freeman. When you

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Speaker 1: A hit piece is like, I mean, it's exactly what

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Speaker 3: Your read on why this comes out? I don't think

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Speaker 2: Well, one way of looking at this is where this

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Speaker 1: So you have to say, well, who's motivated. Someone's obviously

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Speaker 1: But based on what I mean, Harry's never had a

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Speaker 1: Meghan know how done stuff. But I think that Hollywood

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Speaker 1: No one's really interested in the stuff that they make.

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Speaker 4: I want to know.

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Speaker 2: Harry needs to make a Princess to Hanna documentary. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's what he should do. If I was advising, that

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Speaker 3: Well about Megan's lifestyle show, because what this podcast was

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Speaker 2: Maybe you can try if I get invited into Megan's kitchen.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with being? What's wrong with being?

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with being?

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Speaker 3: A documentary, pulled, a bold career move, and a declaration.

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Speaker 3: Three things have happened in recent weeks that I am

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Speaker 3: Anyway, It doesn't matter who made it, Maya, because you're

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Speaker 4: It's not for you.

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Speaker 3: Let me explain filmmaker Kevin McDonald. He is Academy Award

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Speaker 4: Big Deal.

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Speaker 3: He was tasked with creating a documentary about Oprah's life

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Speaker 4: There was just one problem.

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Speaker 3: When it was finished, Oprah didn't like it, so she

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you like it?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is what we need to know.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is my theory is that when you do Beckham,

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Speaker 3: The problem with this Kevin McDonald character is I worry

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Speaker 1: Your inattoria Beckham. Now I don't know if it was

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Speaker 2: Do you get from Succession?

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Speaker 1: Twice.

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Speaker 2: You have to be really rich to be able to

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Speaker 4: You have to be very powerful.

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Speaker 3: Then there's a little lady named Katie Perry. She's performing

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Speaker 1: A Woman's World. Yes, I get that.

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Speaker 1: Like every artist would negotiate this right, Like so, Kylie

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Speaker 2: That's every artist ever.

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Speaker 4: She wants to promote a new album.

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Speaker 2: Duh.

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Speaker 3: So she has compromised and she's going to sing one

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Speaker 1: What do you think the new song willbey woman's world?

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Speaker 3: Then there's comedian Niki Glazer, who was asked to host

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Speaker 1: I think that it's very American what she said, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she had the temerity to complain.

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Speaker 3: Do you relate at all to the way that Nicki

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Speaker 2: Like I absolutely love it, But do I relate to it.

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Speaker 2: their TV shows, or whether it's me working with them,

441
00:20:30,487 --> 00:20:32,447
Speaker 2: or whether it's me being friends with them. Like, arrogant

442
00:20:32,447 --> 00:20:36,807
Speaker 2: men are my least favorite genre of human because there's

443
00:20:36,847 --> 00:20:39,807
Speaker 2: nothing interesting about a person who never questions themselves.

444
00:20:39,847 --> 00:20:41,487
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no question in yourself.

445
00:20:41,527 --> 00:20:43,047
Speaker 3: But I reckon there would be a lot of people

446
00:20:43,087 --> 00:20:45,447
Speaker 3: listening who know they're really good at their jobs. Ye,

447
00:20:45,687 --> 00:20:48,927
Speaker 3: who know that they're good mums, or that they're really

448
00:20:48,927 --> 00:20:50,687
Speaker 3: good friends, or that they're really good at something.

449
00:20:51,127 --> 00:20:53,887
Speaker 2: And and confidence is different though, right, And that's why

450
00:20:53,967 --> 00:20:55,327
Speaker 2: fake it till you make it is tricky.

451
00:20:55,687 --> 00:20:58,567
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I totally agree with that.

452
00:20:58,967 --> 00:21:02,167
Speaker 3: I was reading an article in The Guardian about someone

453
00:21:02,207 --> 00:21:05,367
Speaker 3: who who said, I think that's too much of a

454
00:21:05,407 --> 00:21:08,967
Speaker 3: focus on the word confidence and thinking that you need

455
00:21:09,047 --> 00:21:12,927
Speaker 3: to feel confident before actually doing anything, where it's the inverse.

456
00:21:13,047 --> 00:21:14,927
Speaker 3: In order to feel confident, you've got to do the thing.

457
00:21:15,367 --> 00:21:17,127
Speaker 2: So I think that's true.

458
00:21:17,167 --> 00:21:21,727
Speaker 3: Adam Grant, he is a social social psychologist, and he

459
00:21:21,847 --> 00:21:24,847
Speaker 3: talked about diving, like in college he was almost a

460
00:21:24,887 --> 00:21:27,727
Speaker 3: professional diver, and he would go to the end of

461
00:21:27,767 --> 00:21:31,487
Speaker 3: the diving board and he'd feel terrified and he'd be like,

462
00:21:31,487 --> 00:21:34,127
Speaker 3: I can't dive because I don't feel confident yet with

463
00:21:34,207 --> 00:21:37,167
Speaker 3: the dive. And his coach would say to him, that's

464
00:21:37,167 --> 00:21:39,047
Speaker 3: why you do the dive, like you do it over

465
00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:41,567
Speaker 3: and over again until you get the confidence.

466
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Speaker 4: The confidence doesn't confessed.

467
00:21:42,767 --> 00:21:46,607
Speaker 1: So confidence is something you have to building, you just

468
00:21:46,687 --> 00:21:47,247
Speaker 1: wake up with.

469
00:21:47,567 --> 00:21:47,767
Speaker 2: Yeah.

470
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Speaker 3: So I think that there's this whole industry based on

471
00:21:51,247 --> 00:21:55,167
Speaker 3: capitalizing on women's lack of confidence, particularly young women's lack

472
00:21:55,207 --> 00:21:57,167
Speaker 3: of confidence. And they will say your book and a

473
00:21:57,207 --> 00:22:01,287
Speaker 3: mantra and a fancy talk and you know, tell you

474
00:22:01,327 --> 00:22:03,847
Speaker 3: that they can fill you with confidence. So I think

475
00:22:03,887 --> 00:22:06,087
Speaker 3: that we're confused because there are a lot of gurus

476
00:22:06,087 --> 00:22:08,687
Speaker 3: that are trying to imbue women with confidence rather than

477
00:22:08,727 --> 00:22:09,327
Speaker 3: getting them to.

478
00:22:09,487 --> 00:22:09,967
Speaker 4: Do the thing.

479
00:22:10,447 --> 00:22:12,527
Speaker 3: And I don't think anyone ever sits down with Richard

480
00:22:12,527 --> 00:22:15,367
Speaker 3: Branson and asks him where he gets his confidence from.

481
00:22:15,727 --> 00:22:18,247
Speaker 3: I think it's a self fulfilling thing. We're just obsessed's

482
00:22:19,647 --> 00:22:20,207
Speaker 3: I like that.

483
00:22:20,407 --> 00:22:23,327
Speaker 1: But then I've found I've had two people in my life,

484
00:22:23,487 --> 00:22:25,767
Speaker 1: neither of them know me very well, but I have

485
00:22:25,927 --> 00:22:28,847
Speaker 1: both said just by listening to the pod, it sounds

486
00:22:28,927 --> 00:22:32,687
Speaker 1: like I've lost my confidence on the show, which I

487
00:22:32,687 --> 00:22:35,167
Speaker 1: thought about a lot. And one woman I just met

488
00:22:35,167 --> 00:22:37,087
Speaker 1: her earlier in the week when we were doing upfronts

489
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne, and she said, I feel like I can

490
00:22:40,487 --> 00:22:45,167
Speaker 1: hear you hesitating and I can hear you overthinking and

491
00:22:45,687 --> 00:22:49,207
Speaker 1: holding back on the show sometimes. And she said, I'm

492
00:22:49,207 --> 00:22:52,607
Speaker 1: sure that's because you've been piled on and you're worried

493
00:22:52,607 --> 00:22:55,407
Speaker 1: about that. And I was like, Oh, that's so interesting.

494
00:22:55,567 --> 00:22:58,007
Speaker 2: Isn't that good? Like in a way because back to

495
00:22:58,047 --> 00:23:00,407
Speaker 2: the thing about where the confidence is just always a

496
00:23:00,447 --> 00:23:04,287
Speaker 2: really positive trait. If I sit here on the show

497
00:23:04,647 --> 00:23:07,487
Speaker 2: and feel very confident in all my opinions about all

498
00:23:07,527 --> 00:23:09,967
Speaker 2: the things all the time, including things I don't really

499
00:23:10,047 --> 00:23:13,047
Speaker 2: know a lot about, that's not a good thing.

500
00:23:13,247 --> 00:23:15,287
Speaker 1: No, you're right, and I used to be that. So

501
00:23:15,487 --> 00:23:18,167
Speaker 1: we talk about strong opinions loosely held. So I'm still

502
00:23:18,567 --> 00:23:22,087
Speaker 1: confident with my opinions, but I'm also completely prepared to

503
00:23:22,447 --> 00:23:25,647
Speaker 1: change them as I learn more or change my mind.

504
00:23:25,687 --> 00:23:28,967
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's confidence or just getting older.

505
00:23:29,007 --> 00:23:30,567
Speaker 2: And I think that's wisdom.

506
00:23:30,407 --> 00:23:30,647
Speaker 1: Do you.

507
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Speaker 3: I Actually that's funny you say that, because there was

508
00:23:33,927 --> 00:23:36,087
Speaker 3: part of what Nikki said that I related to. When

509
00:23:36,087 --> 00:23:38,447
Speaker 3: I heard her say that, I thought, if I was

510
00:23:38,487 --> 00:23:41,087
Speaker 3: given a massive opportunity.

511
00:23:40,607 --> 00:23:42,687
Speaker 4: If they asked you to host them, extu me to

512
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Speaker 4: host the logis And they said, Jesse w wee host logies.

513
00:23:45,447 --> 00:23:48,327
Speaker 3: Sitting in my own pa, famous children's book author, famous

514
00:23:48,367 --> 00:23:50,807
Speaker 3: children's books. You've written this great children's book that's been

515
00:23:50,807 --> 00:23:52,967
Speaker 3: made into a show. Host to logis, I'd be like, yeah,

516
00:23:52,967 --> 00:23:54,607
Speaker 3: I'll do a good job of that. Like that would

517
00:23:54,647 --> 00:23:56,807
Speaker 3: be my first response. And the reason is not because

518
00:23:56,807 --> 00:23:59,247
Speaker 3: I have internal self confidence. It's not because I think

519
00:23:59,687 --> 00:24:03,567
Speaker 3: I'm innately incredible at anything. It's that I know I'll

520
00:24:03,607 --> 00:24:06,647
Speaker 3: work really hard. Yeah, So my faith is in my

521
00:24:06,807 --> 00:24:10,247
Speaker 3: process that you'll be prepared, that I'll be prepared exactly right,

522
00:24:10,287 --> 00:24:12,447
Speaker 3: that if I'm given enough time, if I was told

523
00:24:12,487 --> 00:24:14,887
Speaker 3: I was doing it tomorrow, I would freak. But if

524
00:24:14,887 --> 00:24:17,167
Speaker 3: I knew I was given enough time, it's something that

525
00:24:17,647 --> 00:24:21,447
Speaker 3: I've been honing or practicing for years, like talking, then

526
00:24:21,687 --> 00:24:22,847
Speaker 3: I would have a very Semario.

527
00:24:24,327 --> 00:24:26,967
Speaker 1: It's based on experience, Like confidence is back to what

528
00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:29,087
Speaker 1: you were just saying. Confidence is based on experience that

529
00:24:29,407 --> 00:24:32,407
Speaker 1: you've been thrown a lot of things that you didn't

530
00:24:32,447 --> 00:24:34,767
Speaker 1: think that you would necessarily be able to do, from

531
00:24:34,847 --> 00:24:38,327
Speaker 1: doing this show to going on live TV to speaking

532
00:24:38,367 --> 00:24:42,167
Speaker 1: it writers festivals and all of these things. And because

533
00:24:42,207 --> 00:24:46,207
Speaker 1: you've prepared each time, you can objectively say that you

534
00:24:46,287 --> 00:24:49,007
Speaker 1: did a good job. And also people around you have

535
00:24:49,047 --> 00:24:50,567
Speaker 1: said that you've done a good job, so there's been

536
00:24:50,607 --> 00:24:53,687
Speaker 1: no objective marker that you haven't done a good job.

537
00:24:53,807 --> 00:24:54,047
Speaker 5: Yeah.

538
00:24:54,127 --> 00:24:56,847
Speaker 3: I remember speaking to Jane Harper once about she's written

539
00:24:56,967 --> 00:25:00,007
Speaker 3: maybe five books, all of which are brilliant, and she

540
00:25:00,167 --> 00:25:02,567
Speaker 3: was like, a lot of authors won't tell you that

541
00:25:02,647 --> 00:25:05,247
Speaker 3: it gets easier, and for some it doesn't. Some for me,

542
00:25:05,367 --> 00:25:07,167
Speaker 3: I know authors who you know. I got to book

543
00:25:07,207 --> 00:25:10,047
Speaker 3: twenty one and it was unpublishable. But she's like, no,

544
00:25:10,087 --> 00:25:12,127
Speaker 3: it gets easier because you know what you're doing. And

545
00:25:12,647 --> 00:25:16,727
Speaker 3: that was a quiet confidence that I respected. But I

546
00:25:16,767 --> 00:25:18,767
Speaker 3: think that it's not something that a lot of women

547
00:25:18,847 --> 00:25:20,087
Speaker 3: are willing to say out loud.

548
00:25:20,127 --> 00:25:24,167
Speaker 2: But also that's very much born of enormous success, right, like,

549
00:25:24,247 --> 00:25:26,887
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Because I was thinking about the different areas

550
00:25:26,887 --> 00:25:28,927
Speaker 2: of life that I have confidence in and don't, and

551
00:25:28,967 --> 00:25:32,647
Speaker 2: writing is one that I definitely still don't because to me,

552
00:25:32,807 --> 00:25:37,447
Speaker 2: the bar is so impossibly high, like the amount of

553
00:25:37,527 --> 00:25:39,327
Speaker 2: work out there and the amount of different kinds of

554
00:25:39,327 --> 00:25:41,727
Speaker 2: incredible writers and the different levels of success and all

555
00:25:41,727 --> 00:25:45,127
Speaker 2: that stuff, like I don't feel like I have yet

556
00:25:45,167 --> 00:25:48,247
Speaker 2: written a thing that is, you know, brilliant.

557
00:25:48,527 --> 00:25:50,367
Speaker 1: I feel that way about parenting, Oh my.

558
00:25:50,407 --> 00:25:55,047
Speaker 2: God, and parenting speaking about non professional things all the time,

559
00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:58,967
Speaker 2: question my ability, my instincts, my confidence. Have I done

560
00:25:58,967 --> 00:25:59,327
Speaker 2: it right?

561
00:25:59,407 --> 00:26:02,047
Speaker 1: Haven't I? And when you said, Jesse earlier about you know,

562
00:26:02,167 --> 00:26:04,527
Speaker 1: some people like, yeah, I'm a great mother. I don't

563
00:26:04,567 --> 00:26:05,847
Speaker 1: know anyone who says that.

564
00:26:06,167 --> 00:26:08,487
Speaker 3: I had someone say it to me once real, yeah, yeah,

565
00:26:08,527 --> 00:26:10,967
Speaker 3: and I really really respected it.

566
00:26:11,047 --> 00:26:11,567
Speaker 4: She said to me.

567
00:26:12,127 --> 00:26:14,087
Speaker 3: It's the only area of my life where I feel

568
00:26:14,127 --> 00:26:14,967
Speaker 3: like I know what I'm doing.

569
00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:18,207
Speaker 2: And God, we all need some areas of our lives

570
00:26:18,247 --> 00:26:20,087
Speaker 2: well we feel and see, this is one of the

571
00:26:20,087 --> 00:26:22,407
Speaker 2: things I think about. We talk all the time about

572
00:26:22,447 --> 00:26:24,327
Speaker 2: like you know what you lean into and what you

573
00:26:24,407 --> 00:26:28,127
Speaker 2: lean out of. You will instinctively lean into the things

574
00:26:28,127 --> 00:26:30,367
Speaker 2: that you feel like you're good at, right because it

575
00:26:30,407 --> 00:26:33,247
Speaker 2: gives you more self confidence and more and it reaffirms it,

576
00:26:33,287 --> 00:26:34,927
Speaker 2: and then you get better at it. And it's a circle.

577
00:26:35,687 --> 00:26:38,407
Speaker 2: And so if you're feeling like work is giving you

578
00:26:38,447 --> 00:26:40,647
Speaker 2: a lot, but your home life's a shit show at

579
00:26:40,647 --> 00:26:43,087
Speaker 2: the moment, for whatever, you will lean into work, you

580
00:26:43,127 --> 00:26:44,727
Speaker 2: know what I mean, rather than what you should do,

581
00:26:44,767 --> 00:26:46,127
Speaker 2: which is the other way around.

582
00:26:46,327 --> 00:26:50,007
Speaker 1: What interests me also is in certain careers it's the

583
00:26:50,047 --> 00:26:52,727
Speaker 1: law of diminishing returns, like you'll get better at something

584
00:26:52,807 --> 00:26:55,847
Speaker 1: and more confident. And then if you look at sport

585
00:26:56,167 --> 00:27:00,567
Speaker 1: and modeling for example, and even acting, with acting, you

586
00:27:00,607 --> 00:27:03,567
Speaker 1: can get technically better and better and more experienced, and

587
00:27:03,567 --> 00:27:07,407
Speaker 1: you should get more confident. For women, the whole overlay

588
00:27:07,447 --> 00:27:10,767
Speaker 1: on that is how they look, and then how that

589
00:27:10,927 --> 00:27:13,847
Speaker 1: tends to go backwards. And then with sport and modeling,

590
00:27:13,887 --> 00:27:15,887
Speaker 1: of course, you do get to a point where you've

591
00:27:15,927 --> 00:27:19,047
Speaker 1: peaked and you do get worse, so you do lose confidence.

592
00:27:19,087 --> 00:27:22,047
Speaker 1: And I found that, you know, interviewing, for example, I've

593
00:27:22,047 --> 00:27:24,887
Speaker 1: been doing no filter for almost ten years, and I

594
00:27:24,967 --> 00:27:26,727
Speaker 1: know that I'm really good at I know I'm a

595
00:27:26,767 --> 00:27:29,447
Speaker 1: really really good interviewer. But I've had some experiences this

596
00:27:29,567 --> 00:27:32,847
Speaker 1: year where I've done some really bad interviews and I

597
00:27:32,927 --> 00:27:35,647
Speaker 1: found that really interesting because I sort of have lost

598
00:27:36,047 --> 00:27:39,527
Speaker 1: confidence and in a way, that's made me more interested

599
00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:42,687
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, because it's not I can't phone it in,

600
00:27:42,767 --> 00:27:44,887
Speaker 1: even though I know I'm really good at it, I

601
00:27:44,887 --> 00:27:47,567
Speaker 1: can still fuck it up, even after all this time.

602
00:27:47,687 --> 00:27:48,807
Speaker 1: So there's no guarantees.

603
00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:51,807
Speaker 2: So here's the interesting thing. We've all just said that

604
00:27:51,847 --> 00:27:53,527
Speaker 2: there are things that we feel like we're good at,

605
00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:56,087
Speaker 2: and there are things we feel we're not necessarily good at.

606
00:27:56,647 --> 00:27:59,087
Speaker 2: But a lot of people are very uncomfortable hearing a

607
00:27:59,127 --> 00:28:01,127
Speaker 2: woman admits she's good at anything. There will be some

608
00:28:01,207 --> 00:28:03,087
Speaker 2: people who just heard you say I know I'm a

609
00:28:03,127 --> 00:28:05,967
Speaker 2: really good interviewer, or heard me say I know I've

610
00:28:06,007 --> 00:28:07,967
Speaker 2: earned my place here, or you say I know I

611
00:28:07,967 --> 00:28:11,407
Speaker 2: could host the logans. I know I'm misrepresenting you, I

612
00:28:11,447 --> 00:28:16,487
Speaker 2: know that isn't what you said. I've irritating where it

613
00:28:16,527 --> 00:28:18,887
Speaker 2: will annoy them and they will literally now be looking

614
00:28:18,927 --> 00:28:22,047
Speaker 2: at their phones and going, fuck you, show yourself, who

615
00:28:22,047 --> 00:28:24,567
Speaker 2: do you think she is. And that's interesting to look

616
00:28:24,607 --> 00:28:28,967
Speaker 2: at because we tell people like all the time, back yourself,

617
00:28:29,007 --> 00:28:32,287
Speaker 2: back yourself, back yourself, but actually hearing people back themselves

618
00:28:32,447 --> 00:28:33,607
Speaker 2: is really still jarring.

619
00:28:33,647 --> 00:28:36,647
Speaker 1: Do you know what makes me real is when I'm

620
00:28:36,887 --> 00:28:40,767
Speaker 1: looking at reels on Instagram and there are people, not

621
00:28:40,807 --> 00:28:44,687
Speaker 1: all young people, but people who are very convicted in

622
00:28:44,767 --> 00:28:50,127
Speaker 1: their opinions and are very shouty about what they think,

623
00:28:50,327 --> 00:28:52,247
Speaker 1: as if there there's no even.

624
00:28:52,087 --> 00:28:54,327
Speaker 2: Possibility of a shade of gray.

625
00:28:55,007 --> 00:28:58,447
Speaker 1: They're just so righteous in their belief and I find

626
00:28:58,527 --> 00:29:04,927
Speaker 1: that really repellent. And I don't know whether I'm envious

627
00:29:05,207 --> 00:29:07,647
Speaker 1: at how easy it must be to look at the

628
00:29:07,647 --> 00:29:10,487
Speaker 1: world in black and white, but whether I'm like, you're

629
00:29:10,527 --> 00:29:11,087
Speaker 1: a dick.

630
00:29:10,967 --> 00:29:13,887
Speaker 3: Because I think that's idealism and I reckon that as

631
00:29:13,967 --> 00:29:16,847
Speaker 3: you dogmatic as well. Yeah, which the world needs idealism

632
00:29:16,887 --> 00:29:19,047
Speaker 3: and needs young people who see the world as black

633
00:29:19,047 --> 00:29:22,087
Speaker 3: and white, who have whether it's a little bit of

634
00:29:22,167 --> 00:29:25,007
Speaker 3: naivety or whatever, I do think that the world requires that,

635
00:29:25,047 --> 00:29:26,527
Speaker 3: But I can see how it can be irritating when

636
00:29:26,567 --> 00:29:28,767
Speaker 3: you've had more experiences and you go the world.

637
00:29:28,527 --> 00:29:31,567
Speaker 1: Actually find vulnerability more interesting.

638
00:29:31,607 --> 00:29:35,727
Speaker 2: So generally speaking, I find vulnerability more interesting, and questioning

639
00:29:35,767 --> 00:29:38,767
Speaker 2: things more interesting, and so I think this, But then

640
00:29:38,807 --> 00:29:40,527
Speaker 2: I heard that, and I think that, Like, I find

641
00:29:40,567 --> 00:29:41,087
Speaker 2: that more interesting.

642
00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:42,927
Speaker 1: People who are over confident tend to not be.

643
00:29:42,967 --> 00:29:45,167
Speaker 4: Curious, Yeah, and curious.

644
00:29:45,287 --> 00:29:48,127
Speaker 3: The people I know with the most self belief are

645
00:29:48,127 --> 00:29:50,887
Speaker 3: the least successful, and by that I mean they have

646
00:29:51,007 --> 00:29:53,607
Speaker 3: not achieved their goals. There is something about.

647
00:29:53,527 --> 00:29:55,247
Speaker 2: Like, really, I thought it was the other way around.

648
00:29:55,327 --> 00:29:58,047
Speaker 4: No, No, there are people I know that are so.

649
00:29:59,487 --> 00:30:03,647
Speaker 3: Consumed by self belief that they never finish a project

650
00:30:03,647 --> 00:30:04,967
Speaker 3: because it's like they have nothing to prove.

651
00:30:05,447 --> 00:30:07,887
Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, I know that procrastination can be a

652
00:30:07,927 --> 00:30:10,407
Speaker 1: form of perfection is and also fear.

653
00:30:11,327 --> 00:30:11,567
Speaker 5: Yeah.

654
00:30:11,647 --> 00:30:13,767
Speaker 1: I just find people who are really confident to be

655
00:30:13,847 --> 00:30:17,007
Speaker 1: really boring because they're not open. They've made up their mind.

656
00:30:17,487 --> 00:30:20,127
Speaker 1: The garage doors come down, and they will not be

657
00:30:20,607 --> 00:30:23,327
Speaker 1: countenancing any new opinions at this stage. Thank you, the

658
00:30:23,567 --> 00:30:24,367
Speaker 1: kitchen's closed.

659
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Speaker 2: Just rounding back to Oprah and Katie, Yeah, because that's

660
00:30:28,167 --> 00:30:31,007
Speaker 2: where we started. They are women who have asked for

661
00:30:31,127 --> 00:30:34,287
Speaker 2: things or made decisions that pissed other people off, like

662
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Speaker 2: Katie Perry saying no, I won't just be a performing

663
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Speaker 2: seal if I'm coming all the way to Australian performing

664
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Speaker 2: I'm going to try and sell my new album, and

665
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Speaker 2: Oprah saying I know you've all worked very hard on this,

666
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Speaker 2: but it's my name, my brand, and I'm not doing it.

667
00:30:47,087 --> 00:30:50,527
Speaker 2: And people just don't like women asking for things.

668
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Speaker 3: I wondered if there was an element of Katy Perry.

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Speaker 3: We've talked before about tryhards and I don't mean that

670
00:30:57,007 --> 00:31:00,087
Speaker 3: as like in any sort of malicious way, but women's striving,

671
00:31:00,127 --> 00:31:02,287
Speaker 3: women's striving and how uncomfortable we are with it, and

672
00:31:02,327 --> 00:31:04,327
Speaker 3: what Katie Perry has done is I'm going to throw

673
00:31:04,367 --> 00:31:08,767
Speaker 3: everything at this second act, this new wind with my career,

674
00:31:08,767 --> 00:31:13,327
Speaker 3: and it has objectively worked. The album has been panned critically,

675
00:31:13,447 --> 00:31:16,567
Speaker 3: like reviewers really don't like it. It's not selling, but

676
00:31:16,687 --> 00:31:19,607
Speaker 3: there is a glee in watching women try really hard

677
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Speaker 3: at something and fail.

678
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Speaker 4: I think I got the.

679
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Speaker 7: Meud.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your

681
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Speaker 1: weekend with our best recommendations of things to watch, see,

682
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Speaker 1: read by eat, Do Holly tell me.

683
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Speaker 2: I'm so delighted with my recommendation this week because on

684
00:31:57,407 --> 00:32:00,087
Speaker 2: the weekend, but I know I'm very confident in my

685
00:32:00,127 --> 00:32:03,007
Speaker 2: recommendation today, particularly for anyone my children. I spent the

686
00:32:03,007 --> 00:32:05,527
Speaker 2: weekend with Billy. Brent and Matilda were away for different reasons.

687
00:32:05,607 --> 00:32:07,647
Speaker 2: He was so excited to go and see this movie

688
00:32:07,647 --> 00:32:10,007
Speaker 2: because he's read the books and this movie is called

689
00:32:10,047 --> 00:32:11,967
Speaker 2: The Wild Robot and it's a kids movie and it's

690
00:32:11,967 --> 00:32:14,887
Speaker 2: an animated movie. And any parent who takes their kids

691
00:32:14,927 --> 00:32:18,327
Speaker 2: to go see animated movies sometimes you're like, oh my god.

692
00:32:18,287 --> 00:32:19,327
Speaker 1: Can you just look at your phone?

693
00:32:19,767 --> 00:32:22,247
Speaker 3: Well it rude, you could, but at what age can

694
00:32:22,287 --> 00:32:23,927
Speaker 3: you leave them in the cinema and just go watch

695
00:32:23,927 --> 00:32:24,567
Speaker 3: another movie?

696
00:32:24,687 --> 00:32:27,367
Speaker 4: Oh, like Billy's Well, you could do that.

697
00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:31,127
Speaker 2: But the whole reason he's excited is to share the experience. Jesse. Yeah, okay,

698
00:32:31,687 --> 00:32:36,567
Speaker 2: that's why parents freaking love good animation. And there is

699
00:32:36,647 --> 00:32:39,527
Speaker 2: lots of it. Right, That's what the whole point of Pixar, Right,

700
00:32:39,807 --> 00:32:42,607
Speaker 2: the whole point of it. This isn't Pixar anyway, but

701
00:32:42,767 --> 00:32:45,247
Speaker 2: The Wild Robot is one of the most beautiful films,

702
00:32:45,327 --> 00:32:47,527
Speaker 2: kids films, adult films, any kind of films I have

703
00:32:47,647 --> 00:32:50,927
Speaker 2: seen in so long. Very briefly, it is based on

704
00:32:51,007 --> 00:32:53,807
Speaker 2: the idea of this robot. She's like an AI assistant

705
00:32:54,247 --> 00:32:56,127
Speaker 2: and she's being delivered somewhere and she has a ship

706
00:32:56,167 --> 00:32:58,527
Speaker 2: WRECKX like castaway, and she ends up on an island

707
00:32:58,847 --> 00:33:01,127
Speaker 2: all the wild animals and stuff, and she says, anyway,

708
00:33:01,127 --> 00:33:04,167
Speaker 2: it's so good. Anyway, Lapeita, and Yongou plays the robot

709
00:33:04,247 --> 00:33:08,087
Speaker 2: her voice, she's so freaking good. Pedro Pascal plays one

710
00:33:08,127 --> 00:33:10,687
Speaker 2: of the other characters. But anyway, the thing that this

711
00:33:10,727 --> 00:33:12,807
Speaker 2: movie is so beautiful. I read this headline in Vulture

712
00:33:12,807 --> 00:33:14,527
Speaker 2: that was so true. It's like the wild robot will

713
00:33:14,567 --> 00:33:19,007
Speaker 2: ruin you. And it's tears so beautiful to look at.

714
00:33:19,047 --> 00:33:21,447
Speaker 2: It's been made like a painting. It's got this beautiful

715
00:33:21,447 --> 00:33:24,367
Speaker 2: slow pace but not like boring, but this beautiful pace

716
00:33:24,447 --> 00:33:27,367
Speaker 2: to it. But most of all, it's the story of

717
00:33:27,407 --> 00:33:30,727
Speaker 2: this robot who inadvertently manages to kill a whole load

718
00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:34,087
Speaker 2: of geese and then find an egg, and that when

719
00:33:34,087 --> 00:33:36,127
Speaker 2: the egg pops out, it imprints on her because you

720
00:33:36,127 --> 00:33:39,847
Speaker 2: know that's what babybirds do, and then the robot has

721
00:33:39,887 --> 00:33:41,567
Speaker 2: to raise this baby bird.

722
00:33:41,647 --> 00:33:42,327
Speaker 1: But she's got.

723
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Speaker 4: Anything to that baby bird. I am absolutely done.

724
00:33:46,287 --> 00:33:50,887
Speaker 2: Hello gostlings in print on the first thing they see,

725
00:33:51,087 --> 00:33:53,407
Speaker 2: which would be you frei innother.

726
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Speaker 4: Now I do not have the programming, No one does.

727
00:33:58,087 --> 00:33:59,927
Speaker 2: He needs to swim and fly.

728
00:34:00,327 --> 00:34:01,447
Speaker 1: Swimming's easy.

729
00:34:01,687 --> 00:34:06,247
Speaker 3: I can teach him the way my mom tout knee swim.

730
00:34:07,247 --> 00:34:10,847
Speaker 2: She is not maternal, she has no feelings. She's a

731
00:34:10,967 --> 00:34:14,967
Speaker 2: robot right exactly. And the thing is, it's got all

732
00:34:15,007 --> 00:34:17,367
Speaker 2: these beautiful things say about motherhood, particularly for those of

733
00:34:17,447 --> 00:34:19,167
Speaker 2: us who maybe were worried we weren't going to be

734
00:34:19,207 --> 00:34:21,527
Speaker 2: good at it or it didn't necessarily come natural. I've

735
00:34:21,527 --> 00:34:23,407
Speaker 2: always amazed and in awe of people who are like

736
00:34:23,447 --> 00:34:24,887
Speaker 2: I always knew and I was going to be a

737
00:34:24,887 --> 00:34:28,127
Speaker 2: great mom and maternal. I'm not a born nurturer, nor

738
00:34:28,247 --> 00:34:29,447
Speaker 2: is my robot friend.

739
00:34:29,287 --> 00:34:31,767
Speaker 4: Ros you're over relating to the robot.

740
00:34:31,887 --> 00:34:35,127
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's so beautiful and then it's all about

741
00:34:35,127 --> 00:34:38,247
Speaker 2: like the journey, and I can't recommend it more. It's funny,

742
00:34:38,287 --> 00:34:40,927
Speaker 2: it's clever, it's beautiful to look at. It's called The

743
00:34:40,927 --> 00:34:42,007
Speaker 2: Wild Robot. And I cried.

744
00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:43,887
Speaker 1: There's a film that we are all going to go

745
00:34:43,927 --> 00:34:47,527
Speaker 1: and see in a week or so, The Substance, with

746
00:34:47,727 --> 00:34:50,967
Speaker 1: Demi Moour and Margaret Quali, and it's all about a

747
00:34:51,007 --> 00:34:54,647
Speaker 1: woman who takes a substance to make her younger. And

748
00:34:54,767 --> 00:34:56,927
Speaker 1: I was listening to an interview with Demi Moour, who's

749
00:34:56,967 --> 00:35:00,127
Speaker 1: on the publicity trail. She's in her early sixties now,

750
00:35:00,247 --> 00:35:02,607
Speaker 1: which you wouldn't know if you saw a picture of her.

751
00:35:02,927 --> 00:35:05,607
Speaker 1: I know, that's a whole other conversation. But I was

752
00:35:05,647 --> 00:35:08,207
Speaker 1: listening to this interview that the New York Times did

753
00:35:08,247 --> 00:35:12,727
Speaker 1: with her, and she was talking about how she's no

754
00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:16,087
Speaker 1: longer worried about the male gaze, which if you've seen

755
00:35:16,087 --> 00:35:19,007
Speaker 1: a picture of her lately, that's an interesting thing for

756
00:35:19,047 --> 00:35:22,927
Speaker 1: her to say, because she is very male gazy. Anyway,

757
00:35:23,087 --> 00:35:27,327
Speaker 1: father about this, but I was interested in the contradiction. Anyway,

758
00:35:27,367 --> 00:35:29,767
Speaker 1: she mentioned a memoir that she'd written, and I didn't

759
00:35:29,807 --> 00:35:31,527
Speaker 1: realize that she'd written a memoir, but it was about

760
00:35:31,527 --> 00:35:34,487
Speaker 1: five years ago, maybe a little bit longer. So I

761
00:35:34,607 --> 00:35:37,087
Speaker 1: downloaded it as an audiobook, and I was traveling over

762
00:35:37,087 --> 00:35:39,287
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks and I've been listening to it.

763
00:35:39,247 --> 00:35:40,207
Speaker 2: Because she narrate it.

764
00:35:40,447 --> 00:35:44,527
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but she speaks a little bit slowly, So

765
00:35:44,567 --> 00:35:47,007
Speaker 1: I made it one point two to five speed, so

766
00:35:47,087 --> 00:35:49,567
Speaker 1: it's to me, but a little let me drawly. I

767
00:35:49,687 --> 00:35:54,247
Speaker 1: made it, and it was so interesting. Now I understand.

768
00:35:54,247 --> 00:35:57,327
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm very well positioned to go and

769
00:35:57,327 --> 00:36:00,287
Speaker 1: see the substance and to understand to me more a

770
00:36:00,327 --> 00:36:02,647
Speaker 1: lot more. I mean, she was in the famous movies

771
00:36:02,687 --> 00:36:06,327
Speaker 1: like Sonelmo's Fire About last Night Ghost, really iconic in

772
00:36:06,327 --> 00:36:06,767
Speaker 1: the eighties, and.

773
00:36:06,767 --> 00:36:10,327
Speaker 2: A substances fiction correct, and that she's it's horror.

774
00:36:10,807 --> 00:36:13,047
Speaker 1: No, I understand that, but it's very you know, there's

775
00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:16,087
Speaker 1: Oscar talk around it, because it's about this idea of

776
00:36:16,087 --> 00:36:20,927
Speaker 1: this aging celebrity who's offered the chance to wind back

777
00:36:20,967 --> 00:36:25,007
Speaker 1: time and look young in her aging body after she's

778
00:36:25,047 --> 00:36:27,087
Speaker 1: told that she's fired from her job because no one

779
00:36:27,087 --> 00:36:29,047
Speaker 1: wants to look at it. I think in the movie

780
00:36:29,087 --> 00:36:32,447
Speaker 1: she's in her early fifties. And so I just learned

781
00:36:32,607 --> 00:36:35,527
Speaker 1: so much about I mean, she's had this very interesting life,

782
00:36:35,567 --> 00:36:40,527
Speaker 1: married to Bruce Willis, Ashton Kutcher, three daughters, substance abuse,

783
00:36:41,327 --> 00:36:44,767
Speaker 1: most messed up childhood. And I've got a lot more

784
00:36:45,207 --> 00:36:49,367
Speaker 1: compassion for her now. Or is it really matter when

785
00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:51,887
Speaker 1: it's an audio book, you know, because it's really just

786
00:36:51,967 --> 00:36:54,127
Speaker 1: her recounting her life.

787
00:36:54,327 --> 00:36:55,207
Speaker 2: It's an autobiography.

788
00:36:55,287 --> 00:36:57,527
Speaker 1: So it starts when she was a kid and it

789
00:36:57,607 --> 00:36:59,927
Speaker 1: goes all the way until you know, a few years

790
00:36:59,927 --> 00:37:02,487
Speaker 1: ago when she broke up with Ashton and ended up

791
00:37:02,527 --> 00:37:06,487
Speaker 1: going back into rehab and a whole bunch of stuff.

792
00:37:06,607 --> 00:37:08,967
Speaker 1: You've got me into audiobooks whole, and I always forget

793
00:37:08,967 --> 00:37:10,687
Speaker 1: and some times when there's something I want to read

794
00:37:11,407 --> 00:37:14,447
Speaker 1: but I feel like I can't sit still, audiobooks are

795
00:37:14,447 --> 00:37:16,527
Speaker 1: a really great way of being able to do stuff

796
00:37:16,687 --> 00:37:17,567
Speaker 1: while you're listening.

797
00:37:18,127 --> 00:37:23,607
Speaker 3: My recommendation is the new season of Couples Therapy.

798
00:37:23,927 --> 00:37:27,967
Speaker 2: Love is patient. She has zero patients.

799
00:37:28,887 --> 00:37:29,847
Speaker 1: Love is kind.

800
00:37:30,407 --> 00:37:35,887
Speaker 2: He punishes me with silence, Love listens. I disagree with that.

801
00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:36,447
Speaker 3: Suse me.

802
00:37:36,767 --> 00:37:38,847
Speaker 2: I'm begging you to talk to me. Find something you

803
00:37:38,927 --> 00:37:44,007
Speaker 2: always have an extreme here, stop start Love is commitment.

804
00:37:44,967 --> 00:37:47,927
Speaker 1: Rather than leave it alone, let's do something radical here

805
00:37:48,367 --> 00:37:48,727
Speaker 1: on me.

806
00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:51,007
Speaker 2: Tell me, have you ever watched I've never watched it,

807
00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:52,967
Speaker 2: but I hear people talk about it all the time,

808
00:37:53,287 --> 00:37:55,687
Speaker 2: and I'm like that sounds like is it like a

809
00:37:55,727 --> 00:37:57,607
Speaker 2: reality show or a fiction?

810
00:37:58,167 --> 00:38:01,607
Speaker 3: It's not really reality. It's more a documentary. And it

811
00:38:01,767 --> 00:38:05,247
Speaker 3: is a couples therapist named doctor awna girlnick.

812
00:38:05,367 --> 00:38:06,447
Speaker 1: Why would anyone do this?

813
00:38:07,127 --> 00:38:11,847
Speaker 3: I wonder that too, because they're talking about the most private,

814
00:38:12,567 --> 00:38:16,607
Speaker 3: mortifying Yeah, but it is so good. So it's four couples.

815
00:38:17,167 --> 00:38:21,807
Speaker 3: There's a same sex couple, there's a poly situation and

816
00:38:21,847 --> 00:38:25,447
Speaker 3: then two straight couples. But things that you think are

817
00:38:25,487 --> 00:38:28,447
Speaker 3: small that end up actually being really big. I've found

818
00:38:28,487 --> 00:38:32,447
Speaker 3: the discussions around jealousy with the poly relationship really insightful.

819
00:38:32,967 --> 00:38:36,087
Speaker 3: But my additional recommendation is to watch it with your

820
00:38:36,247 --> 00:38:37,047
Speaker 3: partner if you have.

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00:38:38,847 --> 00:38:42,807
Speaker 2: That sounds really like your.

822
00:38:41,807 --> 00:38:44,447
Speaker 3: Hand, and then you pause it and then you look

823
00:38:44,487 --> 00:38:47,007
Speaker 3: at them and then you wait for them, just because

824
00:38:47,047 --> 00:38:50,047
Speaker 3: it is often sounds a good trap, it's really really good.

825
00:38:51,007 --> 00:38:52,207
Speaker 4: Then there are bits that we agree on.

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00:38:52,287 --> 00:38:56,047
Speaker 3: So there's a couple where the man, so you know how,

827
00:38:56,087 --> 00:38:58,327
Speaker 3: you get into a dynamic which everyone can relate with,

828
00:38:58,367 --> 00:39:00,887
Speaker 3: where it's like the woman wants things done a certain

829
00:39:00,887 --> 00:39:03,087
Speaker 3: way and then the man feels like you can't do

830
00:39:03,127 --> 00:39:05,447
Speaker 3: anything right, blah blah blah, And they go into all

831
00:39:05,487 --> 00:39:09,087
Speaker 3: this detail about how he vacuums and mops the floor

832
00:39:09,327 --> 00:39:11,927
Speaker 3: for wiping down the bench, and she's like, but once

833
00:39:11,967 --> 00:39:13,647
Speaker 3: you wipe down the bench, everything from the bench is

834
00:39:13,687 --> 00:39:15,487
Speaker 3: going to go on the floor. And at that point

835
00:39:15,567 --> 00:39:17,047
Speaker 3: Luca and I stopped and went, no, we're both in

836
00:39:17,087 --> 00:39:19,167
Speaker 3: agreement that you must wipe down the bench before you

837
00:39:19,207 --> 00:39:21,967
Speaker 3: do the floor, because that's just the most ridiculous, sister,

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Speaker 3: It is really really good.

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00:39:23,767 --> 00:39:25,727
Speaker 2: It's become a bit of a celebrity. She's on podcasts

840
00:39:25,767 --> 00:39:26,607
Speaker 2: and stuff. Is she great?

841
00:39:26,727 --> 00:39:27,047
Speaker 4: Yes?

842
00:39:27,087 --> 00:39:31,047
Speaker 3: And if you, like many people, are at a moment

843
00:39:31,087 --> 00:39:33,047
Speaker 3: where you're trying to decide whether or not to get

844
00:39:33,047 --> 00:39:36,687
Speaker 3: anti wrinkle injections, then may I suggests that you just

845
00:39:36,727 --> 00:39:39,687
Speaker 3: watch this woman's forehead and the expression she just is

846
00:39:39,727 --> 00:39:43,247
Speaker 3: just therapy with her forehead, and I'm like, oh, best

847
00:39:43,287 --> 00:39:46,727
Speaker 3: supporting actor exactly her forehead loves love It.

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Speaker 2: A reminder that all our recommendations, the links to all

849
00:39:49,407 --> 00:39:51,847
Speaker 2: of them are always in our Mamma Mia out Loud newsletter,

850
00:39:52,047 --> 00:39:53,567
Speaker 2: so you can sign up to that in a link

851
00:39:53,607 --> 00:39:54,287
Speaker 2: in the show notes.

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00:39:57,047 --> 00:39:59,807
Speaker 1: Do you want daily Outloud access? Why wouldn't you? We

853
00:39:59,927 --> 00:40:04,087
Speaker 1: drop episodes every Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Mum and Me.

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00:40:04,167 --> 00:40:06,567
Speaker 1: Are subscribers follow the link in the show notes to

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00:40:06,607 --> 00:40:09,727
Speaker 1: get us in your ears five days a week. Thank

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00:40:09,767 --> 00:40:11,527
Speaker 1: you if you're already a subscriber.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time for best and worst of the week.

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Speaker 2: Remember this is a time where we can be silly,

859
00:40:26,047 --> 00:40:29,287
Speaker 2: we can be serious, but we try and avoid anything heavy.

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00:40:29,447 --> 00:40:31,767
Speaker 2: Maya Friedman, what was your worst of the week.

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Speaker 1: My worst was trying to have a chat with a

862
00:40:36,127 --> 00:40:40,127
Speaker 1: stranger who had her hand in my vagina.

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00:40:42,127 --> 00:40:43,047
Speaker 4: Very common worst for you.

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00:40:43,167 --> 00:40:48,407
Speaker 1: Well, we made eye contact, and funnily enough, it's just

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00:40:48,447 --> 00:40:50,807
Speaker 1: another Tuesday in me as well. It was a hand

866
00:40:50,847 --> 00:40:56,047
Speaker 1: that had also been in Jesse's vagina, and you're paying

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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 2: We both paid for it.

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Speaker 1: So I went hand. No, maybe it wasn't hand, maybe

870
00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:03,967
Speaker 1: it was a finger. I don't know. It was just

871
00:41:04,047 --> 00:41:09,367
Speaker 1: like usually when you get so anyway I was, I

872
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:11,287
Speaker 1: should say where I was. I was at a pelvic

873
00:41:11,447 --> 00:41:15,407
Speaker 1: physio because of the recommendation, but Jesse told me to

874
00:41:15,447 --> 00:41:17,407
Speaker 1: go there, so I ended up seeing I don't think

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00:41:17,447 --> 00:41:20,527
Speaker 1: I meant to book the same doctor as you anyway, physiotherapist.

876
00:41:20,607 --> 00:41:21,007
Speaker 2: I did.

877
00:41:21,407 --> 00:41:24,207
Speaker 1: I didn't try not to. Anyway, we didn't talk about

878
00:41:24,207 --> 00:41:25,887
Speaker 1: you while she had her hand up there. You'll be

879
00:41:25,927 --> 00:41:26,447
Speaker 1: pleased to know.

880
00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:29,967
Speaker 2: This gets weird at this show, im HR.

881
00:41:30,087 --> 00:41:30,367
Speaker 5: I know.

882
00:41:30,807 --> 00:41:34,287
Speaker 1: So anyway, I've been having pelvic floor issues. I'm tired

883
00:41:34,327 --> 00:41:35,927
Speaker 1: of it. I need to work on my pelvic floor,

884
00:41:36,407 --> 00:41:39,127
Speaker 1: you know, coughing, wing, all that stuff. So Jesse said,

885
00:41:39,127 --> 00:41:41,567
Speaker 1: go to the pelvic floor physio, which she did during

886
00:41:41,567 --> 00:41:43,847
Speaker 1: her pregnancy. So I did, Claire, I didn't know that

887
00:41:43,887 --> 00:41:46,527
Speaker 1: was even a thing, but they're popping up everywhere now.

888
00:41:46,687 --> 00:41:48,247
Speaker 1: So I went, and you had to do some fun

889
00:41:48,247 --> 00:41:51,207
Speaker 1: things like strip down to your undies and stand in

890
00:41:51,247 --> 00:41:56,487
Speaker 1: the mirror with the very taut young physio behind you

891
00:41:56,887 --> 00:42:00,287
Speaker 1: and just quite confronting. But she was like, you're all

892
00:42:00,327 --> 00:42:03,007
Speaker 1: lopsided and here's what's happening. And these muscles are pushing

893
00:42:03,047 --> 00:42:04,727
Speaker 1: down on your pelvic floor and you can see.

894
00:42:04,967 --> 00:42:07,007
Speaker 4: Could you do a squeeze when she wanted you to squeeze?

895
00:42:07,007 --> 00:42:08,487
Speaker 1: Oh no, So then I was lying down. She goes,

896
00:42:08,567 --> 00:42:11,327
Speaker 1: just so you know that there is also an internal situation,

897
00:42:11,647 --> 00:42:13,607
Speaker 1: and I went, yeah, I know, and she goes, you'd

898
00:42:13,607 --> 00:42:16,487
Speaker 1: be surprised when people don't, and they're very I'm like,

899
00:42:16,527 --> 00:42:18,567
Speaker 1: what what do they think? You're gonna look look at

900
00:42:18,567 --> 00:42:20,727
Speaker 1: their outsides and give a diagnosis.

901
00:42:20,767 --> 00:42:21,807
Speaker 2: So I was prepared.

902
00:42:22,127 --> 00:42:23,407
Speaker 4: So how did you go with this squeazing?

903
00:42:23,807 --> 00:42:24,687
Speaker 1: It's difficult.

904
00:42:24,887 --> 00:42:26,127
Speaker 2: So she's squeezed.

905
00:42:27,607 --> 00:42:29,407
Speaker 1: At one point, yeah, well her fingers up there. But

906
00:42:29,407 --> 00:42:31,407
Speaker 1: at one point also she's got like a paddle popstick

907
00:42:31,447 --> 00:42:35,487
Speaker 1: and she's measuring things and it's like it's quite a situation.

908
00:42:35,847 --> 00:42:38,927
Speaker 1: But usually, like I'm completely unfussed, Like it always makes

909
00:42:38,967 --> 00:42:41,047
Speaker 1: me laugh when she goes, I'll just leave the room

910
00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:43,607
Speaker 1: and you can get unchanged. And I'm like, given what's

911
00:42:43,647 --> 00:42:46,807
Speaker 1: about to happen, me taking my undies off is the

912
00:42:47,007 --> 00:42:49,007
Speaker 1: least of my concerns. And also I don't care. I've

913
00:42:49,047 --> 00:42:51,087
Speaker 1: had three babies. I don't care, So I'm like not

914
00:42:51,127 --> 00:42:54,047
Speaker 1: fussed about that stuff. But when you're examined usually it's

915
00:42:54,127 --> 00:42:56,927
Speaker 1: like they examine you, they do the thing, and then

916
00:42:56,967 --> 00:43:00,007
Speaker 1: they finish right, but she sort of like does it.

917
00:43:00,087 --> 00:43:02,567
Speaker 1: But then she's sort of her hands there and you're talking,

918
00:43:02,647 --> 00:43:04,647
Speaker 1: like not chatting about the weather and what you're watching

919
00:43:04,687 --> 00:43:07,007
Speaker 1: on TV, but talking about.

920
00:43:06,847 --> 00:43:08,807
Speaker 2: The actual pelvic floor situation, and.

921
00:43:08,807 --> 00:43:10,487
Speaker 1: She's expling a lot of things. It was good, she

922
00:43:10,527 --> 00:43:13,367
Speaker 1: was terrific, and the whole thing was terrific, if mildly depressing,

923
00:43:13,927 --> 00:43:16,527
Speaker 1: but it just was weird. And then she told me

924
00:43:16,567 --> 00:43:19,007
Speaker 1: all these things, and I realized when I got home,

925
00:43:19,687 --> 00:43:21,487
Speaker 1: I forgot all of them because it's a lot of

926
00:43:21,527 --> 00:43:23,607
Speaker 1: information to take in, and it's this and you've got

927
00:43:23,647 --> 00:43:25,127
Speaker 1: to do this, and you've got to do it's not

928
00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:28,527
Speaker 1: just doing kegels, because apparently what I do is I've

929
00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:31,007
Speaker 1: never got my pelvic floor rest.

930
00:43:31,207 --> 00:43:32,527
Speaker 2: Yes, fully relaxed.

931
00:43:32,727 --> 00:43:35,407
Speaker 1: And when it's always a little bit pulled, then you

932
00:43:35,447 --> 00:43:37,767
Speaker 1: can't when it needs to go more, you don't have

933
00:43:37,887 --> 00:43:43,807
Speaker 1: enough room. Anyway, it's a relaxed So then I got home.

934
00:43:44,847 --> 00:43:48,607
Speaker 1: I've got to do our strength training exercises and osteo. Anyway,

935
00:43:48,727 --> 00:43:51,847
Speaker 1: it was just it was an interesting time. My best

936
00:43:52,287 --> 00:43:58,367
Speaker 1: is our new social producer Isabelle Dolphin, and yeah, it

937
00:43:58,447 --> 00:44:01,607
Speaker 1: is cool. Everyone that works on this except for us,

938
00:44:01,807 --> 00:44:04,607
Speaker 1: does sound bad made up. So we've always wanted our

939
00:44:04,687 --> 00:44:09,087
Speaker 1: own private, personal, full time social producer on this show.

940
00:44:09,287 --> 00:44:11,727
Speaker 1: And we've asked and asked and asked, but the asshole

941
00:44:11,727 --> 00:44:17,167
Speaker 1: bosses me have always said no, can't. Now finally, after

942
00:44:17,207 --> 00:44:19,647
Speaker 1: ten years, we're gonna have now. Che talked yourself round,

943
00:44:19,727 --> 00:44:22,367
Speaker 1: I talk myself round. No, it's not just me, you know,

944
00:44:22,407 --> 00:44:24,767
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of people. But also I did

945
00:44:24,887 --> 00:44:27,767
Speaker 1: just say, hey, we need a present. We need a

946
00:44:27,807 --> 00:44:29,647
Speaker 1: little treat for our tenth birthday, and we'd like it

947
00:44:29,687 --> 00:44:33,527
Speaker 1: to be Dolph. Anyway, My best is Dolph because have

948
00:44:33,607 --> 00:44:35,447
Speaker 1: a look at our Instagram, have a look at us

949
00:44:35,447 --> 00:44:38,287
Speaker 1: on TikTok. We don't understand that stuff, but she does.

950
00:44:38,367 --> 00:44:41,407
Speaker 1: And She's just all the stuff that we've always wanted.

951
00:44:41,527 --> 00:44:44,367
Speaker 1: It's so fun. It's so funny. My daughter and her girlfriend,

952
00:44:44,407 --> 00:44:47,567
Speaker 1: who are very hard task masters, are like, hey, out loud,

953
00:44:47,967 --> 00:44:51,167
Speaker 1: really funny, really cool on Instagram, what's going on? And

954
00:44:51,207 --> 00:44:53,287
Speaker 1: we said Dolph and they're like, oh, it's Dolph.

955
00:44:53,367 --> 00:44:54,007
Speaker 2: We love Dolf.

956
00:44:54,527 --> 00:44:57,207
Speaker 1: So it's just fun. It's I love working with people

957
00:44:57,247 --> 00:45:00,047
Speaker 1: who know more than I do about things and who

958
00:45:00,087 --> 00:45:03,207
Speaker 1: teaches stuff, and the things that she's doing with us

959
00:45:03,327 --> 00:45:06,927
Speaker 1: and getting us to do are just very very funny.

960
00:45:07,087 --> 00:45:08,727
Speaker 2: You'll be able to tell if you have been watching.

961
00:45:08,767 --> 00:45:10,527
Speaker 2: She just asks me to do things. I just do

962
00:45:10,607 --> 00:45:14,927
Speaker 2: them without even thinking. Later I'm like, oh, same.

963
00:45:15,207 --> 00:45:18,047
Speaker 1: So this week we've been dancing, we've been signing autograph.

964
00:45:18,167 --> 00:45:20,047
Speaker 1: It's been very funny. But go have a look at

965
00:45:20,047 --> 00:45:22,967
Speaker 1: our Instagram and TikTok and our TikTok and it's all off.

966
00:45:23,087 --> 00:45:24,807
Speaker 2: Jesse, you've got to go next, because you're not allowed

967
00:45:24,807 --> 00:45:27,487
Speaker 2: to go last because you're being depressing. I tell me

968
00:45:27,527 --> 00:45:28,727
Speaker 2: about why you're being depressing.

969
00:45:28,887 --> 00:45:31,167
Speaker 4: I am being depressing. I've just had this. I've just

970
00:45:31,207 --> 00:45:32,047
Speaker 4: had a shit week.

971
00:45:33,207 --> 00:45:35,887
Speaker 3: I had something chopped out of my head recently to

972
00:45:35,967 --> 00:45:38,487
Speaker 3: check if it was a skin cancer. And the most

973
00:45:38,487 --> 00:45:40,327
Speaker 3: annoying thing about this was that it was a scabby

974
00:45:40,367 --> 00:45:43,087
Speaker 3: little thing. And I went to my yearly check up.

975
00:45:43,127 --> 00:45:47,207
Speaker 3: I am so diligent with my skin checks because I

976
00:45:47,247 --> 00:45:48,647
Speaker 3: know I'm a freckly white girl.

977
00:45:48,687 --> 00:45:50,887
Speaker 1: In your family, a lot of people had things cut out.

978
00:45:51,007 --> 00:45:51,207
Speaker 5: Yep.

979
00:45:51,327 --> 00:45:53,487
Speaker 3: So went and got it checked. All fine, it's just

980
00:45:53,527 --> 00:45:55,447
Speaker 3: a bit of dry skin. I went back because I went,

981
00:45:55,487 --> 00:45:58,367
Speaker 3: this scat's getting a little bit bigger. It's all all good.

982
00:45:58,407 --> 00:46:00,447
Speaker 3: Put some vitamin A on it. And then I was

983
00:46:00,447 --> 00:46:03,927
Speaker 3: at the doctor for Luna, like last week maybe, and

984
00:46:03,967 --> 00:46:06,327
Speaker 3: I said to the doctor, Hey, it was a different doctor,

985
00:46:06,367 --> 00:46:08,247
Speaker 3: and I said, I've tried this vitamin anything. Apparently this

986
00:46:08,327 --> 00:46:09,047
Speaker 3: is just some dry skin.

987
00:46:09,327 --> 00:46:10,807
Speaker 1: Was right on your hairlines. So why would you have

988
00:46:10,847 --> 00:46:13,607
Speaker 1: a bit of dry skin randomly exactly one part of your.

989
00:46:13,487 --> 00:46:15,887
Speaker 3: Hair And I pointed to it and he said, immediately

990
00:46:15,927 --> 00:46:19,927
Speaker 3: that's a BASc I can tell that's a battle celloma,

991
00:46:20,367 --> 00:46:23,567
Speaker 3: which is a skin cancer. It's not melanoma, but it's

992
00:46:23,607 --> 00:46:26,127
Speaker 3: not ideal. And so I had to get a biopsy

993
00:46:26,167 --> 00:46:29,567
Speaker 3: the next day and then no, it didn't hurt at all.

994
00:46:29,607 --> 00:46:31,407
Speaker 3: And I've had one removed from my arm before and

995
00:46:31,447 --> 00:46:34,487
Speaker 3: that did hurt, but this was fine, came back b SC.

996
00:46:34,687 --> 00:46:36,887
Speaker 3: So I've got to go to a plastic surgeon to

997
00:46:36,967 --> 00:46:40,287
Speaker 3: go and get this thing removed, and I know, cut

998
00:46:40,487 --> 00:46:43,087
Speaker 3: out or I've got to get the whole thing, and

999
00:46:43,127 --> 00:46:45,367
Speaker 3: because it's gone under the skin, I've got to get

1000
00:46:45,367 --> 00:46:46,607
Speaker 3: the whole thing. And I think I'm going to walk

1001
00:46:46,607 --> 00:46:48,687
Speaker 3: into a plastic surgeon and they're going to be like.

1002
00:46:48,887 --> 00:46:51,207
Speaker 1: No, that's not I don't think that's how it works.

1003
00:46:51,287 --> 00:46:52,767
Speaker 1: That's a different kind of plastics.

1004
00:46:52,887 --> 00:46:54,367
Speaker 4: It's actually not. It's no.

1005
00:46:54,487 --> 00:46:56,487
Speaker 3: They give you a referral and that the doctor was

1006
00:46:56,487 --> 00:46:59,847
Speaker 3: looking through and he's like this one specialized in breast augmentation.

1007
00:47:00,007 --> 00:47:02,567
Speaker 4: I was like, not that one, not that one.

1008
00:47:02,687 --> 00:47:04,367
Speaker 2: I have a lot of no.

1009
00:47:04,487 --> 00:47:06,527
Speaker 1: But it's good because you want them to be esthetic

1010
00:47:07,367 --> 00:47:10,407
Speaker 1: or aesthetic because that's the whole point. And it's on

1011
00:47:10,567 --> 00:47:12,367
Speaker 1: your face. Yeah, So if they didn't need it to

1012
00:47:12,407 --> 00:47:15,967
Speaker 1: be esthetic, you could just have any old place and

1013
00:47:16,407 --> 00:47:16,967
Speaker 1: I could do it.

1014
00:47:17,047 --> 00:47:19,047
Speaker 3: Hold your thoughts, that's what I want to say. The

1015
00:47:19,047 --> 00:47:22,567
Speaker 3: plastic surgion just remove my things. But now I've got

1016
00:47:22,567 --> 00:47:24,327
Speaker 3: a phobia of the sun. So I was even at

1017
00:47:24,367 --> 00:47:26,847
Speaker 3: lunch today and I put sunscreen on in the morning,

1018
00:47:27,167 --> 00:47:27,967
Speaker 3: the feeling of sun.

1019
00:47:28,007 --> 00:47:30,607
Speaker 2: I'm just like a phobia to have. You also need

1020
00:47:30,647 --> 00:47:31,287
Speaker 2: a hat, sweetie.

1021
00:47:31,327 --> 00:47:32,527
Speaker 4: I knows I had to work.

1022
00:47:32,527 --> 00:47:34,367
Speaker 1: Do you know what I got? Sent a couple of

1023
00:47:34,367 --> 00:47:38,407
Speaker 1: hats by this amazing Australian female founder brand that I've

1024
00:47:38,447 --> 00:47:40,607
Speaker 1: forgotten but I'll put a link to in our newsletter.

1025
00:47:41,087 --> 00:47:43,687
Speaker 1: I've got some of their hats. They're like umbrellas for

1026
00:47:43,767 --> 00:47:46,687
Speaker 1: your head and done them where the laugh just sent her.

1027
00:47:47,287 --> 00:47:49,647
Speaker 1: They've just done that black, which is perfect for you.

1028
00:47:49,887 --> 00:47:51,847
Speaker 1: And what it is is like having a like a

1029
00:47:51,847 --> 00:47:54,007
Speaker 1: full awning on my head.

1030
00:47:54,087 --> 00:47:56,767
Speaker 2: Yes, you head, so I'll sort you out.

1031
00:47:56,847 --> 00:47:57,447
Speaker 4: Oh I like that.

1032
00:47:57,487 --> 00:47:59,527
Speaker 2: Okay, I reminded me I need the skin check, So

1033
00:47:59,607 --> 00:48:00,167
Speaker 2: thank you for the.

1034
00:48:00,567 --> 00:48:03,207
Speaker 3: Carter I think the brand is called and actually reminder

1035
00:48:03,287 --> 00:48:05,087
Speaker 3: for that it looked like a scab. It wasn't a freckle.

1036
00:48:05,207 --> 00:48:06,767
Speaker 3: And so if you've got anything looks like a little

1037
00:48:06,767 --> 00:48:10,607
Speaker 3: scabgo get checked out. And my the worst actually is

1038
00:48:10,927 --> 00:48:13,247
Speaker 3: that I've realized I was speaking to Holly about this

1039
00:48:13,327 --> 00:48:16,527
Speaker 3: last week. I just haven't been writing and I'm making

1040
00:48:16,527 --> 00:48:17,727
Speaker 3: me really sad.

1041
00:48:17,927 --> 00:48:19,247
Speaker 1: I don't feel like who I am.

1042
00:48:19,367 --> 00:48:22,327
Speaker 3: No may neither, and I've just I've been in a

1043
00:48:22,447 --> 00:48:24,287
Speaker 3: funk in terms of writing, and it's probably to do

1044
00:48:24,367 --> 00:48:27,927
Speaker 3: with time, but like Luna is fifteen months or something.

1045
00:48:28,007 --> 00:48:30,047
Speaker 3: I've written a handful of articles, like I just I'm

1046
00:48:30,127 --> 00:48:33,967
Speaker 3: not and I'm watching scripts. Oh yeah, I'm writing scripts,

1047
00:48:34,007 --> 00:48:36,767
Speaker 3: but that just feels like dialogue. It's not like and

1048
00:48:36,807 --> 00:48:40,607
Speaker 3: I'm reading this brilliant book at the moment that I'm

1049
00:48:40,647 --> 00:48:44,047
Speaker 3: finding so inspiring, and I'm just what it's all for?

1050
00:48:45,607 --> 00:48:46,127
Speaker 4: The writing?

1051
00:48:46,207 --> 00:48:48,007
Speaker 3: You know, when you just read something that's so inspiring

1052
00:48:48,447 --> 00:48:49,807
Speaker 3: and I keep thinking, oh, I want to write, I

1053
00:48:49,847 --> 00:48:51,647
Speaker 3: want to write, and then I get like a pen

1054
00:48:51,967 --> 00:48:54,287
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know what to write, Like it's

1055
00:48:54,327 --> 00:48:56,087
Speaker 3: just a weird I feel kind of stuck. So I

1056
00:48:56,127 --> 00:48:57,607
Speaker 3: want to start writing again because I'm.

1057
00:48:57,527 --> 00:48:58,967
Speaker 1: Do you feel like writing a book or you just

1058
00:48:59,007 --> 00:49:02,647
Speaker 1: want to write?

1059
00:49:03,527 --> 00:49:04,567
Speaker 4: I could write that tonight.

1060
00:49:04,807 --> 00:49:06,967
Speaker 2: This is the process, though, this is your You're reving

1061
00:49:07,047 --> 00:49:09,047
Speaker 2: up because obviously you will write another book soon, and

1062
00:49:09,087 --> 00:49:12,167
Speaker 2: you just beginning to rev up your inputting, like yeah,

1063
00:49:12,207 --> 00:49:14,687
Speaker 2: you've brainspread a book that's made you go ah, and

1064
00:49:14,687 --> 00:49:16,767
Speaker 2: then you're inputting yeah, and it's like this is part

1065
00:49:16,807 --> 00:49:18,007
Speaker 2: of the process. Don't be down.

1066
00:49:18,167 --> 00:49:20,527
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, it's the best part because it feels like

1067
00:49:20,527 --> 00:49:23,167
Speaker 1: a pulling. I've got that too, like a yearning, like

1068
00:49:23,247 --> 00:49:25,127
Speaker 1: I'm being pulled to write.

1069
00:49:25,327 --> 00:49:26,087
Speaker 4: I don't know what I think.

1070
00:49:26,247 --> 00:49:28,207
Speaker 3: And it's a different thing to get on a podcast,

1071
00:49:28,287 --> 00:49:31,047
Speaker 3: and you know it's it's also a way of using

1072
00:49:31,047 --> 00:49:31,967
Speaker 3: your brain, but not the same.

1073
00:49:32,127 --> 00:49:33,247
Speaker 4: Holly, what's your worst?

1074
00:49:33,527 --> 00:49:33,727
Speaker 3: Look?

1075
00:49:33,767 --> 00:49:36,687
Speaker 2: My worst is very petty because you know how sometimes

1076
00:49:37,047 --> 00:49:39,807
Speaker 2: Hollywood announcements will come out in this famous book or

1077
00:49:39,807 --> 00:49:43,047
Speaker 2: whatever is being adapted and this star and this star

1078
00:49:43,447 --> 00:49:45,727
Speaker 2: is in it, and the internet gets really upset. And

1079
00:49:45,727 --> 00:49:47,727
Speaker 2: I always sit there going, you people need to get

1080
00:49:47,727 --> 00:49:50,247
Speaker 2: a life. Why are you upset about this? I always

1081
00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:54,287
Speaker 2: feel This week there was a Hollywood announcement about an

1082
00:49:54,327 --> 00:49:57,087
Speaker 2: adaptation of a book that has really pissed me off.

1083
00:49:58,487 --> 00:50:01,687
Speaker 2: So you know, our wonderful, brilliant, talented friend, Emerald Fanell,

1084
00:50:01,767 --> 00:50:02,567
Speaker 2: she made Saltburn.

1085
00:50:02,767 --> 00:50:04,607
Speaker 1: We're across and promising young woman.

1086
00:50:05,847 --> 00:50:08,047
Speaker 2: I was very excited a while ago because her next

1087
00:50:08,047 --> 00:50:11,847
Speaker 2: project is she's making Wuthering Heights. Wuthering Heights is my

1088
00:50:12,167 --> 00:50:15,847
Speaker 2: favorite book. My two favorite books are Wuthering Heights and

1089
00:50:15,927 --> 00:50:17,127
Speaker 2: Jane Eyre and they are.

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Speaker 4: You give me just sent wathering. Someone hiding in.

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Speaker 3: The room there's one someone in an attic anxiety work

1092
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Speaker 3: with Wathering Heights. I feel like there's a big sprawling.

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Speaker 2: For the new and Zietgeys and everyone on the internet

1094
00:50:42,727 --> 00:50:47,527
Speaker 2: talks about the Bronzie sisters. Fucking hell, they wrote the

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00:50:47,567 --> 00:50:52,087
Speaker 2: most unbelievable books about women with their ink and freaking

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Speaker 2: whatever you call it.

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Speaker 4: I've read it, I just can't remember, probably.

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Speaker 2: On the moors in the north of England, and they

1099
00:50:57,967 --> 00:50:59,647
Speaker 2: had to pretend to be men to get them published.

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00:50:59,647 --> 00:51:03,087
Speaker 2: Like you people, You've got because it's the best book

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00:51:03,127 --> 00:51:07,087
Speaker 2: ever written, you idiots anyway, So Wathering Heights is one

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00:51:07,087 --> 00:51:09,687
Speaker 2: of my favorite books. So I was very excited because

1103
00:51:09,727 --> 00:51:11,447
Speaker 2: she's going to do a fucking great job of that.

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00:51:12,047 --> 00:51:13,207
Speaker 2: But guess who she's casting?

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00:51:13,327 --> 00:51:15,847
Speaker 1: Hang on, is she setting it like in modern time?

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00:51:16,047 --> 00:51:17,807
Speaker 2: We don't know. These are all things we don't know yet.

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00:51:18,887 --> 00:51:22,007
Speaker 2: Doubt pretty aggressive. I'm very upset.

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00:51:22,247 --> 00:51:23,247
Speaker 1: Could she be casting that?

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00:51:23,287 --> 00:51:24,927
Speaker 2: You could care about this? Margo?

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00:51:26,727 --> 00:51:27,887
Speaker 4: What's wrong with Margot Robbie?

1111
00:51:27,887 --> 00:51:31,487
Speaker 2: She's perfect and Jacob Alordie perfect?

1112
00:51:32,007 --> 00:51:34,367
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? This is the only reason I'm going

1113
00:51:34,407 --> 00:51:34,927
Speaker 1: to watch this.

1114
00:51:35,887 --> 00:51:37,447
Speaker 4: Can I tell you people?

1115
00:51:38,687 --> 00:51:41,367
Speaker 2: Can I tell you people that Cassie as the song

1116
00:51:41,367 --> 00:51:42,007
Speaker 2: you were just singing.

1117
00:51:42,887 --> 00:51:43,767
Speaker 4: I don't know what she's mean.

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00:51:44,047 --> 00:51:48,047
Speaker 2: She's the lead in Wuthering Heights. She dies when she's nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Where I'm going, Yeah, so like, why are we casting

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Speaker 2: Margot Robbie?

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Speaker 1: I think she is.

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00:51:57,727 --> 00:52:00,687
Speaker 2: I have faith Emerald for now. I'm sure her vision

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00:52:01,207 --> 00:52:01,807
Speaker 2: beyond mine.

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00:52:02,167 --> 00:52:05,647
Speaker 1: Like a young person Lawrence Laurence.

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00:52:06,687 --> 00:52:10,927
Speaker 2: Too old, any one of those young Flibberty Gibbit types.

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00:52:12,647 --> 00:52:13,807
Speaker 2: Not Sabrina.

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00:52:15,047 --> 00:52:19,607
Speaker 1: She could be she could be busy and good. Jones

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00:52:19,647 --> 00:52:20,407
Speaker 1: would be good.

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00:52:20,647 --> 00:52:22,087
Speaker 4: I look very bronzes.

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00:52:22,847 --> 00:52:26,567
Speaker 2: Cassie dies at nineteen, so what's wrong with jameb Cliff

1131
00:52:27,487 --> 00:52:29,887
Speaker 2: is a monster? Yeah? I think he could play like

1132
00:52:29,967 --> 00:52:35,287
Speaker 2: he is a dark month been anyone who is? He

1133
00:52:35,367 --> 00:52:42,047
Speaker 2: did Jacob Lord, who's like pretty hate Australians because I

1134
00:52:42,047 --> 00:52:44,807
Speaker 2: think this actually makes it sound interesting so funny, because

1135
00:52:45,287 --> 00:52:46,967
Speaker 2: as I say, I don't buy into these things, and

1136
00:52:47,007 --> 00:52:49,247
Speaker 2: then I saw that and I was like, I'm sorry anyway,

1137
00:52:49,647 --> 00:52:52,407
Speaker 2: the point being I'm half joking because I know everything

1138
00:52:52,527 --> 00:52:55,927
Speaker 2: was gonna do, but like, really, Margo Robbie as Cassie,

1139
00:52:55,967 --> 00:52:57,527
Speaker 2: can we please wait?

1140
00:52:57,607 --> 00:53:00,887
Speaker 4: Once Angelina Jolly's kid, hil she.

1141
00:53:00,767 --> 00:53:01,407
Speaker 2: Would be good.

1142
00:53:01,647 --> 00:53:03,247
Speaker 4: Shiloh would be good.

1143
00:53:03,927 --> 00:53:08,727
Speaker 2: Dearly English and ideally you look like you have lived.

1144
00:53:08,447 --> 00:53:11,567
Speaker 1: Your whole life locked on more Princess Charlotte.

1145
00:53:13,527 --> 00:53:14,447
Speaker 4: Yeah, Princes Arlotte.

1146
00:53:14,527 --> 00:53:16,527
Speaker 2: But anyway, so that was my worst. I got all

1147
00:53:16,607 --> 00:53:18,967
Speaker 2: upset about that. I nearly wrote an angry comment somewhere

1148
00:53:18,967 --> 00:53:22,047
Speaker 2: on the Internet that I was got a grip a

1149
00:53:22,087 --> 00:53:26,487
Speaker 2: great woman. My best is related to my friend me.

1150
00:53:26,567 --> 00:53:28,967
Speaker 2: I don't like to give it too much positive validation,

1151
00:53:29,127 --> 00:53:31,927
Speaker 2: but I was start singing carefully and she needs to

1152
00:53:31,927 --> 00:53:34,487
Speaker 2: read mothering heights. But apart from them, last week she

1153
00:53:34,567 --> 00:53:36,207
Speaker 2: told me that clear. I was asked telling you how

1154
00:53:36,207 --> 00:53:37,567
Speaker 2: I was going to clear up my wardrobe, and he

1155
00:53:37,607 --> 00:53:39,167
Speaker 2: gave me all these tips of how to clear up

1156
00:53:39,167 --> 00:53:41,287
Speaker 2: my wardrobe. I spent the weekend clearing up my water,

1157
00:53:41,327 --> 00:53:43,247
Speaker 2: but it took me a lot longer than I was

1158
00:53:43,567 --> 00:53:45,407
Speaker 2: I listened to an audio Bet you did it two

1159
00:53:45,527 --> 00:53:48,607
Speaker 2: freaking days. It was me and Billy did it.

1160
00:53:48,767 --> 00:53:49,247
Speaker 1: My crack.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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00:53:49,647 --> 00:53:53,127
Speaker 2: I hated it anyway, but what came out of it

1163
00:53:53,207 --> 00:53:56,487
Speaker 2: was what you predicted, which was new outfits. So on

1164
00:53:56,567 --> 00:53:59,287
Speaker 2: a Tuesday Wednesday this week, I've worn shirts or skirts

1165
00:53:59,287 --> 00:54:00,967
Speaker 2: that I'd forgotten that I had that I found at

1166
00:54:00,967 --> 00:54:03,487
Speaker 2: the back of the closet. I took pictures of them,

1167
00:54:04,127 --> 00:54:06,167
Speaker 2: like I shopped my closet. So you did me a

1168
00:54:06,167 --> 00:54:06,647
Speaker 2: favor there.

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Speaker 1: My friend a few outladders have messaged me to say

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00:54:10,167 --> 00:54:13,607
Speaker 1: I started to say about wardrobe storage, and then I went, oh,

1171
00:54:13,607 --> 00:54:16,367
Speaker 1: I'll tell you later. Yeah, they said, I clickbaited. Well,

1172
00:54:16,367 --> 00:54:18,047
Speaker 1: I said, I'd tell Holly later. I didn't think anyone

1173
00:54:18,047 --> 00:54:21,327
Speaker 1: else would care. My advice is go to Amazon and

1174
00:54:21,887 --> 00:54:26,607
Speaker 1: search wardrobe storage and just enjoy the ride.

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Speaker 2: We know so many of you love are us presidential

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00:54:29,567 --> 00:54:32,327
Speaker 2: election subscriber episodes. We've got a brand new one.

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00:54:32,407 --> 00:54:36,207
Speaker 1: It was quite moving this episode because it's about January

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Speaker 1: sixth and the riots and the storming of the Capitol

1179
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Speaker 1: Building in Washington, DC. And Amelia, who is friend of

1180
00:54:45,087 --> 00:54:48,047
Speaker 1: the pod and amazing person, her husband was actually in

1181
00:54:48,087 --> 00:54:50,647
Speaker 1: the Capitol building his doctor and he worked in there

1182
00:54:50,687 --> 00:54:53,087
Speaker 1: at the time. And we're going to play you out

1183
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Speaker 1: today with a little bit of that episode, and there's

1184
00:54:55,927 --> 00:54:57,447
Speaker 1: a link in the show notes if you want to

1185
00:54:57,447 --> 00:54:58,367
Speaker 1: listen to the whole thing.

1186
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Speaker 5: And then I turned the TV off and I called

1187
00:55:01,247 --> 00:55:03,807
Speaker 5: Johnny and I said, do you see that there are

1188
00:55:03,847 --> 00:55:08,887
Speaker 5: like thousands of presumably armed mob protesters outside of your

1189
00:55:08,887 --> 00:55:12,207
Speaker 5: building right now, and he said he didn't hear anything.

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Speaker 5: Everything seemed normal, so I thought, okay. So then eventually

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00:55:17,047 --> 00:55:19,447
Speaker 5: I get a text from a very good friend of

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00:55:19,487 --> 00:55:22,047
Speaker 5: mine who I charged with this, and I'll always remember

1193
00:55:22,087 --> 00:55:24,127
Speaker 5: the text she texted me and she said, I'm so

1194
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Speaker 5: sorry they're inside.

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Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for today. A big thank

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Speaker 2: you to all of you out loud as of course,

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Speaker 2: and a massive thank you to our very talented team.

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Speaker 2: That's executive producer Ruth Divine. This is what Maya was

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Speaker 2: talking about when she said people have goggles. Yeah, she's divine,

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Speaker 2: Ruth Divine. Our senior producer Emmeline gazillis excellent, excellent name.

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Speaker 2: Our audio producer Leah Porges, Yeah, I mean Adam and

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Speaker 2: how wonderful already aforementioned social media producer they amazing Isabelle Dolphin.

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Speaker 2: Crowd goes, well, we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to any mum and me a subscribers listening.

1206
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