1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:21,554 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother and Mere podcast. Welcome to 2 00:00:21,754 --> 00:00:25,314 Speaker 1: Parenting out Loud, the podcast for people who don't always 3 00:00:25,314 --> 00:00:29,834 Speaker 1: listen to parenting podcasts. No, no, We bring you the news, 4 00:00:29,954 --> 00:00:33,354 Speaker 1: the trends, the culture, and what parents are thinking about. 5 00:00:33,634 --> 00:00:35,074 Speaker 1: I'm Monic Boley. 6 00:00:35,074 --> 00:00:37,873 Speaker 2: I'm Amelia Lester, and I am Stacy Hicks. 7 00:00:37,994 --> 00:00:39,514 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show. 8 00:00:39,714 --> 00:00:42,473 Speaker 2: Forget whine and a fancy shacuterie board. There is a 9 00:00:42,513 --> 00:00:44,234 Speaker 2: new guilty pleasure for adults. 10 00:00:44,513 --> 00:00:47,394 Speaker 3: Look Blue is Dad Bandit is a bit of a dilf. 11 00:00:47,994 --> 00:00:51,273 Speaker 3: Apparently we're checking in on who the hot dads are 12 00:00:51,354 --> 00:00:52,833 Speaker 3: right now and why and. 13 00:00:52,873 --> 00:00:57,754 Speaker 1: Kids' sport has become so expensive. But is that a problem? 14 00:00:58,234 --> 00:01:01,794 Speaker 2: But first, okay, so I've seen this story during the rounds, 15 00:01:01,794 --> 00:01:03,953 Speaker 2: and it's that we need to talk to our kids 16 00:01:04,554 --> 00:01:06,874 Speaker 2: like we have piping hot gossip, like they're one of 17 00:01:06,874 --> 00:01:09,514 Speaker 2: our girl friends on a night out, and that's the 18 00:01:09,554 --> 00:01:11,314 Speaker 2: way to get them to listen. What do you mean? 19 00:01:11,434 --> 00:01:14,274 Speaker 2: Give me examples? So you need to be like leaning close, 20 00:01:14,434 --> 00:01:17,154 Speaker 2: like you've got juicy info that no one else is 21 00:01:17,194 --> 00:01:20,114 Speaker 2: allowed to know, and just be like you'll never guess 22 00:01:20,194 --> 00:01:24,714 Speaker 2: what I found. There are toys all over the playroom. 23 00:01:25,074 --> 00:01:27,954 Speaker 2: But I have no idea how they got there, Like 24 00:01:27,994 --> 00:01:30,714 Speaker 2: what would I even do? Like how would I sort 25 00:01:30,754 --> 00:01:33,874 Speaker 2: this out? They are in, they are locked in. 26 00:01:34,114 --> 00:01:35,794 Speaker 1: They like the drama they. 27 00:01:35,714 --> 00:01:38,954 Speaker 2: Do they do, so it's just playing on their dramatic level. 28 00:01:39,474 --> 00:01:41,274 Speaker 2: This works. I tried this. This works. 29 00:01:41,474 --> 00:01:43,354 Speaker 3: I love this because I'm always trying to get my 30 00:01:43,434 --> 00:01:46,594 Speaker 3: kids to gossip about their classmates with me, and they 31 00:01:46,714 --> 00:01:49,354 Speaker 3: never will. So maybe I can turn the tables and 32 00:01:49,394 --> 00:01:50,354 Speaker 3: gossip at them. 33 00:01:50,434 --> 00:01:52,594 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I do love this as well. 34 00:01:52,634 --> 00:01:55,234 Speaker 1: The research says when you talk to kids in a 35 00:01:55,234 --> 00:01:57,994 Speaker 1: playful way, like they're hot for it, it's very engaging 36 00:01:58,034 --> 00:02:00,114 Speaker 1: for them. So kids don't listen well when they're being 37 00:02:00,154 --> 00:02:02,914 Speaker 1: talked at or told what to do, but when you're 38 00:02:02,954 --> 00:02:05,434 Speaker 1: being playful with them, it's so much more sticky. I 39 00:02:05,474 --> 00:02:08,594 Speaker 1: do wonder if this would work for teachers in a classroom, 40 00:02:09,314 --> 00:02:13,554 Speaker 1: being like you, guys don't freak out. But there's like 41 00:02:13,594 --> 00:02:17,234 Speaker 1: a rumor that someone is doing two readers a night. 42 00:02:18,114 --> 00:02:19,074 Speaker 2: I believe it. 43 00:02:19,394 --> 00:02:20,234 Speaker 1: I don't believe it. 44 00:02:21,354 --> 00:02:24,554 Speaker 2: Genius. If there's any teachers listening, try it. Let us 45 00:02:24,594 --> 00:02:25,314 Speaker 2: know how it goes. 46 00:02:25,474 --> 00:02:27,714 Speaker 3: I also think this is more relevant to my interests 47 00:02:27,714 --> 00:02:29,994 Speaker 3: than the way I was told to talk to kids 48 00:02:30,514 --> 00:02:33,474 Speaker 3: a few years ago, which was the sports caster method. 49 00:02:33,714 --> 00:02:35,674 Speaker 2: Have you heard of that? What you kind of like 50 00:02:35,754 --> 00:02:37,194 Speaker 2: narrate them to narrate. 51 00:02:37,234 --> 00:02:39,754 Speaker 3: Like it's like and she's getting the milk for her cereal, 52 00:02:39,834 --> 00:02:42,233 Speaker 3: and she's pouring the milk into her cereal. Now she's 53 00:02:42,354 --> 00:02:45,114 Speaker 3: very carefully carrying the bowl to the table to eat it. 54 00:02:45,474 --> 00:02:47,834 Speaker 3: And the problem is, I don't really know how sports 55 00:02:47,874 --> 00:02:51,034 Speaker 3: casses talk, as shown by that little rendition, but I 56 00:02:51,114 --> 00:02:52,194 Speaker 3: do know how to gossip. 57 00:02:52,434 --> 00:02:55,354 Speaker 1: What's the science behind the sports caster. 58 00:02:55,394 --> 00:02:58,314 Speaker 3: Because it's meant to be a non judgmental way of 59 00:02:58,394 --> 00:03:01,314 Speaker 3: observing what your kid is doing. Like it's showing that 60 00:03:01,354 --> 00:03:04,314 Speaker 3: you're paying attention to them, but you're not barking orders 61 00:03:04,354 --> 00:03:05,594 Speaker 3: at them, being no judge. 62 00:03:05,594 --> 00:03:07,954 Speaker 2: Away, let's gossip, juicy gossip. 63 00:03:08,114 --> 00:03:11,114 Speaker 1: I want silent parenting, but you just don't say anything. 64 00:03:13,474 --> 00:03:16,754 Speaker 3: Every now and then, in the sea of content and 65 00:03:16,834 --> 00:03:20,913 Speaker 3: chaos that is TikTok, you come across something that changes 66 00:03:20,954 --> 00:03:24,714 Speaker 3: your whole world, makes you see everything differently, makes you 67 00:03:24,834 --> 00:03:27,834 Speaker 3: wonder if life can ever progress the same way again. 68 00:03:28,514 --> 00:03:31,874 Speaker 3: And this week, this week, friends, I have such a 69 00:03:31,874 --> 00:03:35,194 Speaker 3: piece of content to share with you. It's about Bluie's dad. 70 00:03:35,074 --> 00:03:38,714 Speaker 2: Bound it Bluey. It's Australian. Is that the dog cartoon dog? 71 00:03:38,834 --> 00:03:39,674 Speaker 2: Show off my dog? 72 00:03:39,714 --> 00:03:42,954 Speaker 3: When I leave that the dog dad, I would his 73 00:03:43,034 --> 00:03:44,874 Speaker 3: brains out the dog dad. 74 00:03:44,994 --> 00:03:48,154 Speaker 2: He's funny, he's kind, he's smart. I have never Yes, 75 00:03:48,674 --> 00:03:51,274 Speaker 2: he's a dog, and I have never become attracted to 76 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:54,354 Speaker 2: anybody in my life right and it is a cartoon dog. 77 00:03:55,154 --> 00:03:57,394 Speaker 1: Oh he's such a good dad. He looks like a 78 00:03:57,434 --> 00:03:58,954 Speaker 1: dog version of Phil Lumpy. 79 00:03:59,274 --> 00:04:01,834 Speaker 3: So I had to cut that because one of the 80 00:04:01,874 --> 00:04:04,194 Speaker 3: co hosts. That's from a podcast called Out of Bed. 81 00:04:04,394 --> 00:04:06,474 Speaker 3: One of the co hosts, Gabby Epstein, goes on to 82 00:04:06,514 --> 00:04:09,474 Speaker 3: talk about Matth debating to band It, and I just thought, 83 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:11,954 Speaker 3: I don't think we need to hear her say that. 84 00:04:12,114 --> 00:04:13,154 Speaker 3: I'll say it instead. 85 00:04:13,354 --> 00:04:15,794 Speaker 1: This is what I hoped our parenting podcast would be, 86 00:04:16,194 --> 00:04:19,354 Speaker 1: was people talking about how band It is a dilf. 87 00:04:19,674 --> 00:04:24,394 Speaker 1: I I thought about this for days. I sent this 88 00:04:24,433 --> 00:04:27,753 Speaker 1: clip to so many months. People are hot for Bandit 89 00:04:27,914 --> 00:04:31,794 Speaker 1: and they're not wrong. I'm sorry to interrupt, Please continue. 90 00:04:31,993 --> 00:04:34,874 Speaker 3: What I want to talk about is, yes, Bandit is 91 00:04:34,953 --> 00:04:37,274 Speaker 3: a dilf, and our producers tell me that I need 92 00:04:37,313 --> 00:04:39,833 Speaker 3: to explain what that acronym is for you. I hope 93 00:04:39,873 --> 00:04:42,153 Speaker 3: that from the context you can piece it together. 94 00:04:42,714 --> 00:04:44,794 Speaker 2: What I want to talk about is hot dads. Why 95 00:04:44,834 --> 00:04:46,154 Speaker 2: are some dads hot? 96 00:04:46,594 --> 00:04:49,674 Speaker 3: What does that say about the paragon of fatherhood at 97 00:04:49,714 --> 00:04:52,154 Speaker 3: any given time in the culture, Because interestingly, in that 98 00:04:52,794 --> 00:04:57,354 Speaker 3: podcast clip, the co host mentions Phil Dumpy from Modern 99 00:04:57,354 --> 00:04:59,794 Speaker 3: Family Now arguably he was the hot dad of the 100 00:04:59,834 --> 00:05:03,314 Speaker 3: twenty tenths. I say arguably. I know everyone's got different taste. 101 00:05:03,433 --> 00:05:05,954 Speaker 3: We've heard on this podcast before that mom's like self 102 00:05:05,993 --> 00:05:06,634 Speaker 3: on a shelf. 103 00:05:07,553 --> 00:05:09,954 Speaker 2: I have a soft spot. 104 00:05:09,753 --> 00:05:15,433 Speaker 3: For Mary Poppins fan. A lot of people have individual taste, 105 00:05:15,433 --> 00:05:17,794 Speaker 3: but Phil Dumphy was very much the kind of paragona 106 00:05:17,794 --> 00:05:19,034 Speaker 3: twenty tenth masculinity. 107 00:05:19,073 --> 00:05:20,713 Speaker 2: He was a bit out of touch, but in a 108 00:05:20,753 --> 00:05:24,553 Speaker 2: lovable way. See's like a bumbling, lovable yes with a 109 00:05:24,594 --> 00:05:26,873 Speaker 2: square jaw. Yeh, like a goof with a square jaw. 110 00:05:27,354 --> 00:05:30,154 Speaker 2: But it's very different to that band. It's very involved, 111 00:05:30,433 --> 00:05:31,714 Speaker 2: is always up for a bit of. 112 00:05:31,674 --> 00:05:34,794 Speaker 3: Imaginative play, which might be good in the bedroom too, 113 00:05:35,154 --> 00:05:38,193 Speaker 3: and he displays a lot of competence in childcare tasks, 114 00:05:38,234 --> 00:05:41,753 Speaker 3: which Phil Dumphy did not do. So I guess Mon's 115 00:05:41,753 --> 00:05:44,473 Speaker 3: My question is am I overthinking Dilfton. 116 00:05:44,393 --> 00:05:49,234 Speaker 1: No, you're not overthinking it. It's fascinating. I'm not surprised 117 00:05:49,674 --> 00:05:53,234 Speaker 1: by this at all. I think this is the unspoken 118 00:05:53,274 --> 00:05:56,714 Speaker 1: thing for many women, is it. Sometimes they close their 119 00:05:56,714 --> 00:06:01,753 Speaker 1: eyes and they think of Bandit. Because band It he's hot, 120 00:06:01,953 --> 00:06:05,953 Speaker 1: because he's capable. He still talks like a trade but 121 00:06:06,113 --> 00:06:09,754 Speaker 1: he's emotionally. He has a pizza up and out the 122 00:06:09,834 --> 00:06:12,474 Speaker 1: back and a beer in one hand, but he's still 123 00:06:12,594 --> 00:06:14,954 Speaker 1: on the floor playing with the kids like he does 124 00:06:14,993 --> 00:06:19,354 Speaker 1: the goddamn washing. He is this kind of antidote to 125 00:06:19,474 --> 00:06:22,633 Speaker 1: the useless TV dads of the two thousands, who we've 126 00:06:22,633 --> 00:06:26,513 Speaker 1: talked about before, the tim the tool Man Taylor, or 127 00:06:26,674 --> 00:06:31,273 Speaker 1: like other cartoon dads like Homer Simpson or Daddy Pig. 128 00:06:31,474 --> 00:06:40,834 Speaker 1: Like if you said you were absolutely not don't yucks 129 00:06:40,993 --> 00:06:45,833 Speaker 1: other people's yums, people like big fat Daddy Pig. But 130 00:06:46,073 --> 00:06:48,273 Speaker 1: Bandit is hot because he takes on the emotional and 131 00:06:48,354 --> 00:06:51,514 Speaker 1: domestic and the caregiving load. And that is a new fantasy. 132 00:06:51,633 --> 00:06:54,553 Speaker 1: It's not abs that a lot of women want. It's 133 00:06:54,594 --> 00:06:58,594 Speaker 1: not a chisel jawline. It's a dad who gets it 134 00:06:59,113 --> 00:07:00,674 Speaker 1: without being asked. 135 00:07:00,513 --> 00:07:03,633 Speaker 3: Who really takes on the big caregiving load. 136 00:07:03,953 --> 00:07:07,034 Speaker 2: Okay, I think that what there is is a diff 137 00:07:07,433 --> 00:07:10,914 Speaker 2: between a dad who happens to be hot and a 138 00:07:10,953 --> 00:07:14,114 Speaker 2: hot dad because he's being a dad. It's the act 139 00:07:14,194 --> 00:07:16,514 Speaker 2: of dadding that is the thing that makes oh, yeah, 140 00:07:16,554 --> 00:07:21,594 Speaker 2: he's hot because example McDreamy from Gray's Anatomy, very hot 141 00:07:21,874 --> 00:07:24,154 Speaker 2: just happens to also be a dad in the series. 142 00:07:24,474 --> 00:07:30,194 Speaker 2: But bandad, are you still watching that for an odd analogy? 143 00:07:30,834 --> 00:07:33,034 Speaker 2: I don't know why he came to me. I think 144 00:07:33,074 --> 00:07:35,314 Speaker 2: he's just the hottest man I've ever seen on TV. 145 00:07:35,874 --> 00:07:38,114 Speaker 2: But he just happened to be a dad. That was 146 00:07:38,154 --> 00:07:40,554 Speaker 2: a side part to his character. I'm going to say 147 00:07:40,554 --> 00:07:43,713 Speaker 2: the reason you two think that Bandon is hot is 148 00:07:43,754 --> 00:07:47,194 Speaker 2: that he's being such a great dad. That's the thing 149 00:07:47,234 --> 00:07:49,434 Speaker 2: that's making him sexy. Because I need to remind you 150 00:07:49,474 --> 00:07:50,994 Speaker 2: both that he is a literal dog. 151 00:07:51,154 --> 00:07:53,914 Speaker 3: No, you are absolutely onto something here, and guess what. 152 00:07:54,393 --> 00:07:58,393 Speaker 3: There's some science to prove the point. Men that women 153 00:07:58,474 --> 00:08:02,794 Speaker 3: perceive as good dads are also seen as more physically attractive. 154 00:08:03,274 --> 00:08:05,833 Speaker 3: There is a two thousand and six study that shows 155 00:08:05,834 --> 00:08:09,674 Speaker 3: that women who are amazing can use facial cues of 156 00:08:09,754 --> 00:08:14,914 Speaker 3: men's hormone concentrations to tell their affinity for children, and 157 00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:18,194 Speaker 3: that women use their perception of those cues to form 158 00:08:18,234 --> 00:08:22,354 Speaker 3: attractiveness judgments about men. Isn't that amazing? We are instinctively 159 00:08:22,393 --> 00:08:25,234 Speaker 3: looking at men's faces and figuring out whether they're a 160 00:08:25,234 --> 00:08:25,674 Speaker 3: good dad. 161 00:08:25,834 --> 00:08:29,634 Speaker 1: You know how Pixar will write a movie and they'll 162 00:08:29,634 --> 00:08:32,953 Speaker 1: write the movie for kids and adults. So there's a 163 00:08:32,994 --> 00:08:35,114 Speaker 1: lot of adult jokes in there that adults kind of get. 164 00:08:35,114 --> 00:08:36,794 Speaker 1: There's like a lot of wink and nod to the adults. 165 00:08:37,554 --> 00:08:40,594 Speaker 1: Is bendit written for the mums? Is he like for 166 00:08:40,634 --> 00:08:44,074 Speaker 1: the mumgays? There are actually characters that exist for the mums. 167 00:08:44,114 --> 00:08:46,034 Speaker 1: Like there was always Anthony the blue Wiggle. He was 168 00:08:46,074 --> 00:08:48,914 Speaker 1: the blue one. Now there's like a really hot purple wiggle. Like, 169 00:08:49,274 --> 00:08:51,914 Speaker 1: are the writers at Bluie going, you know what the 170 00:08:51,954 --> 00:08:54,474 Speaker 1: mums are gonna fucking love is if he carries a 171 00:08:54,634 --> 00:08:56,634 Speaker 1: washing basket through the lound room. 172 00:08:57,074 --> 00:08:58,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're under something. 173 00:08:58,674 --> 00:09:02,154 Speaker 3: It's interesting you mentioned Pixar because in my extensive research 174 00:09:02,194 --> 00:09:05,914 Speaker 3: for this segment, I discovered that the dad from Inside Out, 175 00:09:05,954 --> 00:09:08,394 Speaker 3: that Pixar movie and all so inside out too, Bill 176 00:09:08,434 --> 00:09:12,914 Speaker 3: Anderson is his name has become a quote unquote Jen 177 00:09:13,234 --> 00:09:14,274 Speaker 3: z Zaddie. 178 00:09:14,674 --> 00:09:17,354 Speaker 2: This is actually my niche crush. I'm into the dad 179 00:09:17,594 --> 00:09:20,314 Speaker 2: inside out. Why do you think you like him? I 180 00:09:20,354 --> 00:09:25,274 Speaker 2: think he just he's a bit hipster, he's as Yeah, 181 00:09:25,314 --> 00:09:27,594 Speaker 2: he does look like a cool Melbourne barista. I think 182 00:09:27,674 --> 00:09:29,554 Speaker 2: that's what it is. But then is also a very 183 00:09:29,594 --> 00:09:32,314 Speaker 2: attentive father and has like very sweet in jokes. 184 00:09:32,434 --> 00:09:35,594 Speaker 3: Yeah, and when I think about him versus say, the 185 00:09:35,634 --> 00:09:38,154 Speaker 3: cartoon dad that I grew up on in the nineties 186 00:09:38,354 --> 00:09:41,354 Speaker 3: was King Triton from The Little Mermaid, and he was 187 00:09:41,434 --> 00:09:45,274 Speaker 3: so stern and distant, and while he didn't wear a 188 00:09:45,314 --> 00:09:48,833 Speaker 3: shirt very often, I still was completely uninterested in him 189 00:09:48,914 --> 00:09:50,274 Speaker 3: sexually or romantically. 190 00:09:51,274 --> 00:09:56,394 Speaker 2: But this bar is so low. We are talking about 191 00:09:56,434 --> 00:10:00,834 Speaker 2: having the hots for an animated dog and an animated day. 192 00:10:01,114 --> 00:10:03,834 Speaker 3: He has a good job, and he does the laundry. 193 00:10:03,874 --> 00:10:05,794 Speaker 3: Like one said, do you think he descales the washing 194 00:10:05,834 --> 00:10:07,594 Speaker 3: machine ones? I've heard that so important? 195 00:10:07,834 --> 00:10:11,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, I've just had to google the inside Out Dad. 196 00:10:11,354 --> 00:10:14,834 Speaker 1: He's not bad. I'd probably go after anger. He looks 197 00:10:14,874 --> 00:10:16,953 Speaker 1: like he's got some spice in him. Had a little 198 00:10:16,954 --> 00:10:18,514 Speaker 1: red one he go off. 199 00:10:18,554 --> 00:10:25,234 Speaker 2: I reckon bit short bit short for two red flag. 200 00:10:29,194 --> 00:10:32,074 Speaker 2: Something has happened to lolly's this year. You know you 201 00:10:32,234 --> 00:10:34,434 Speaker 2: used to just go to the canteen and get a 202 00:10:34,434 --> 00:10:37,834 Speaker 2: fifty cent bag of carabuds or some chocolate pickies or 203 00:10:38,234 --> 00:10:39,634 Speaker 2: the chunky clouds. 204 00:10:39,914 --> 00:10:43,234 Speaker 1: Now, okay, what's wrong with you? Those things are lollies? 205 00:10:43,514 --> 00:10:48,834 Speaker 2: Is a chunky class a chunky cloud? Who's a classic? 206 00:10:49,274 --> 00:10:52,954 Speaker 2: It's a pink, fluffy, marshmallowy thing rolled in sugar. 207 00:10:53,074 --> 00:10:54,794 Speaker 1: Did you know what was the other thing you said? 208 00:10:54,994 --> 00:10:55,554 Speaker 1: Are you okay? 209 00:10:56,954 --> 00:10:59,914 Speaker 2: A little like chocolate Caraban? Did I sound like I'm 210 00:10:59,914 --> 00:11:01,674 Speaker 2: from the nineteen twenty budge? 211 00:11:02,474 --> 00:11:05,354 Speaker 1: Did your parents give you that fake chocolate? What's it called? 212 00:11:05,474 --> 00:11:07,474 Speaker 2: That's called carab. 213 00:11:08,634 --> 00:11:10,594 Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about? You haven't lived? 214 00:11:11,114 --> 00:11:15,234 Speaker 2: Okay, I wire some little snakes or no, I'm going with. 215 00:11:17,394 --> 00:11:17,994 Speaker 3: They're great. 216 00:11:18,594 --> 00:11:21,594 Speaker 2: Now there are all these boutique lolly stores popping up 217 00:11:21,594 --> 00:11:24,874 Speaker 2: all over the globe that are focused purely on adults. 218 00:11:24,914 --> 00:11:27,474 Speaker 2: They're above the range of little kids. That's not who 219 00:11:27,514 --> 00:11:29,914 Speaker 2: these are made for. Like in the US, there's this 220 00:11:29,994 --> 00:11:33,594 Speaker 2: luxury store Bonbon that have pick and mixers that are 221 00:11:33,634 --> 00:11:38,474 Speaker 2: averaging at twenty nine dollars, like really expensive for a 222 00:11:38,474 --> 00:11:40,794 Speaker 2: little bag of lollies. And the Wall Street Journal has 223 00:11:40,834 --> 00:11:42,914 Speaker 2: done this whole feature now on how there's a rise 224 00:11:42,954 --> 00:11:45,954 Speaker 2: in influencers who are making their living doing what the 225 00:11:46,034 --> 00:11:49,714 Speaker 2: Koreans call muckbang, which is where they film themselves testing 226 00:11:49,754 --> 00:11:53,954 Speaker 2: the latest elaborate lollies and freeze dried candies. And I 227 00:11:53,994 --> 00:11:57,034 Speaker 2: wonder whether this is just another example of a whimsy deficet. 228 00:11:57,074 --> 00:11:59,274 Speaker 2: We've spoken about it on the podcast a while back, 229 00:11:59,354 --> 00:12:03,394 Speaker 2: like magicians are back, stuffed toys are back, Like are 230 00:12:03,434 --> 00:12:06,114 Speaker 2: fancy lollies the new la boo boos? Is that why 231 00:12:06,114 --> 00:12:06,794 Speaker 2: we're doing this? 232 00:12:07,114 --> 00:12:09,314 Speaker 1: I love that term whimsy deficit. Did you come up 233 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:09,554 Speaker 1: with that? 234 00:12:09,994 --> 00:12:12,713 Speaker 2: No, Amelia said it on an older so did we 235 00:12:12,794 --> 00:12:15,114 Speaker 2: come up with it? I borrowed it from someone. It's 236 00:12:15,114 --> 00:12:17,394 Speaker 2: a great term, though, and I think that's what it is. 237 00:12:17,714 --> 00:12:22,594 Speaker 1: Are we okay, like we all the dopamine hits ever stop? 238 00:12:22,754 --> 00:12:26,354 Speaker 1: We are so thirsty for dopamine now that it's like 239 00:12:26,514 --> 00:12:30,874 Speaker 1: spilling into lolly culture. Like I'm not surprised by this, because, 240 00:12:30,914 --> 00:12:33,914 Speaker 1: as you said, the whimsy deficit is large. I wonder 241 00:12:33,954 --> 00:12:36,154 Speaker 1: if lollies are like the new lipstick index, like we 242 00:12:36,194 --> 00:12:40,634 Speaker 1: cannot afford to holiday to Europe. This is a little 243 00:12:40,754 --> 00:12:43,154 Speaker 1: sugar hit, This is a little treat. This is little 244 00:12:43,194 --> 00:12:46,514 Speaker 1: treat culture and a little dopamine experience for sort of 245 00:12:46,674 --> 00:12:49,594 Speaker 1: under thirty bucks. Merely are you lolly faint? 246 00:12:49,874 --> 00:12:50,514 Speaker 2: Love a lolly? 247 00:12:50,754 --> 00:12:53,114 Speaker 3: I think it's so interesting that the Wall Street Journal 248 00:12:53,234 --> 00:12:56,354 Speaker 3: is reporting on this, Like can you imagine that they 249 00:12:56,354 --> 00:12:58,354 Speaker 3: were trying to pitch this to an editor and or like, no, 250 00:12:58,434 --> 00:13:00,834 Speaker 3: it's about the deficit, the whimsy deficit. 251 00:13:02,074 --> 00:13:05,714 Speaker 2: Yeah, I need beautiful pictures of fancy lollies. And they 252 00:13:05,754 --> 00:13:09,714 Speaker 2: spoke to an expert in food products, Andrea Hernandez, and 253 00:13:09,794 --> 00:13:12,394 Speaker 2: she was talking about how it's probably a reaction to 254 00:13:12,474 --> 00:13:15,954 Speaker 2: the restrictive dietary trends we had, like as teens, you know, 255 00:13:15,994 --> 00:13:19,154 Speaker 2: how sugar was really demonized and now it's like as 256 00:13:19,194 --> 00:13:21,434 Speaker 2: adults were taking it back and going no, but we 257 00:13:21,474 --> 00:13:22,434 Speaker 2: can have what we want. 258 00:13:22,634 --> 00:13:24,714 Speaker 3: But how does this fit with the fact that we're 259 00:13:24,754 --> 00:13:28,674 Speaker 3: also hearing that no screens in Holly Wainwright on Mamameir 260 00:13:28,914 --> 00:13:34,034 Speaker 3: Loud tells me that for parents of teens, no screens, 261 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:36,794 Speaker 3: no sugar is kind of like the mantra, Like that's 262 00:13:36,834 --> 00:13:39,234 Speaker 3: what they're all saying. Now, are the adults eating these 263 00:13:39,274 --> 00:13:42,074 Speaker 3: lollies in private, like underneath their doon or when the 264 00:13:42,154 --> 00:13:43,954 Speaker 3: kids have gone to bed or something. 265 00:13:43,674 --> 00:13:45,634 Speaker 2: They'd have to because you wouldn't want to share a 266 00:13:45,674 --> 00:13:48,074 Speaker 2: thirty two dollars bag of lollies with someone who wasn't 267 00:13:48,114 --> 00:13:50,474 Speaker 2: even appreciating it. Like it feels like this is the 268 00:13:50,514 --> 00:13:53,234 Speaker 2: little treat, you know, the little things people are keeping 269 00:13:53,314 --> 00:13:54,074 Speaker 2: for themselves. 270 00:13:54,394 --> 00:13:57,154 Speaker 1: There's a few Australian lollies that I have a bone 271 00:13:57,154 --> 00:14:01,314 Speaker 1: to pick with. While we're talking lollies, I just want 272 00:14:01,354 --> 00:14:05,754 Speaker 1: to talk about the original Killer Python. Oh Alan's lollies 273 00:14:06,234 --> 00:14:10,034 Speaker 1: are so self conscient now they're like no added colors. 274 00:14:10,394 --> 00:14:14,794 Speaker 1: I agree with that, but killer pythons have shrunk into 275 00:14:15,274 --> 00:14:17,754 Speaker 1: pissy little goannas. I bought one the other day at 276 00:14:17,754 --> 00:14:20,314 Speaker 1: the sports canteen. I was shocked. I'm going to show 277 00:14:20,354 --> 00:14:22,994 Speaker 1: you I have an original killer Python. Here for size, 278 00:14:23,034 --> 00:14:26,354 Speaker 1: for scale, this is how big. This is how big 279 00:14:26,354 --> 00:14:27,994 Speaker 1: a killer Python used to be. 280 00:14:28,114 --> 00:14:31,074 Speaker 2: For the listeners, mons is a holding up a pool noodle. 281 00:14:31,154 --> 00:14:33,234 Speaker 2: And she's not wrong. Actually, I feel like that was 282 00:14:33,274 --> 00:14:36,354 Speaker 2: the size of the mons. They were massive and now 283 00:14:36,474 --> 00:14:38,834 Speaker 2: you can have them in one bite. And I just 284 00:14:38,874 --> 00:14:42,634 Speaker 2: want Allan's to grow a set and release, re release 285 00:14:42,714 --> 00:14:47,154 Speaker 2: the original stonkingly huge Killer Pythons. Shrinklation has come for 286 00:14:47,314 --> 00:14:48,194 Speaker 2: all lollies. 287 00:14:48,234 --> 00:14:50,954 Speaker 3: Like think about the red frogs. That's been a giant 288 00:14:51,074 --> 00:14:54,874 Speaker 3: generational case of gas lighting because the red frog used 289 00:14:54,914 --> 00:14:58,194 Speaker 3: to be cane toad sized. Yeah, and now it's the 290 00:14:58,274 --> 00:15:00,114 Speaker 3: size of a stinger nail. 291 00:15:00,594 --> 00:15:02,434 Speaker 2: You're not fooling us, Allen's. 292 00:15:02,194 --> 00:15:05,874 Speaker 1: Oh man, the nostalgia hit from the giant KP. Now 293 00:15:05,914 --> 00:15:08,714 Speaker 1: it is time to talk about kids because we have 294 00:15:08,754 --> 00:15:19,034 Speaker 1: a problem. Kids' sport is getting very expensive. Club fees, uniforms, bags, mouthguards, balls, equipment, 295 00:15:19,874 --> 00:15:24,554 Speaker 1: private coaching costs are starting to escalate beyond what we've 296 00:15:24,594 --> 00:15:27,634 Speaker 1: seen in The Australian Sports Commission are panicking about this. 297 00:15:27,714 --> 00:15:31,514 Speaker 1: They release some data on how much kids sport costs, 298 00:15:32,074 --> 00:15:36,794 Speaker 1: and it's a lot like dance lessons topped list. Dance 299 00:15:36,874 --> 00:15:39,314 Speaker 1: lessons in your school years will set you back over 300 00:15:39,434 --> 00:15:44,234 Speaker 1: thirty grand. That's how expensive it is. Tennis fifteen grand 301 00:15:44,554 --> 00:15:48,314 Speaker 1: over your life at school. Even cricket cracks fourteen. The 302 00:15:48,434 --> 00:15:51,994 Speaker 1: most affordable options for kids to play are netball and footy, 303 00:15:52,074 --> 00:15:55,434 Speaker 1: but even then they reckon it's around seven grand across 304 00:15:55,474 --> 00:15:56,194 Speaker 1: your childhood. 305 00:15:56,434 --> 00:15:59,394 Speaker 2: I thought netball was like ten bucks for a game. 306 00:15:59,514 --> 00:16:01,714 Speaker 1: This is across a few years across the lifespan of 307 00:16:01,714 --> 00:16:02,514 Speaker 1: your school. 308 00:16:02,274 --> 00:16:04,394 Speaker 3: Years more on. So they have golf on there because 309 00:16:04,394 --> 00:16:07,194 Speaker 3: Stacey is a big golfer and was as a try. 310 00:16:07,354 --> 00:16:08,194 Speaker 3: I'm just curious. 311 00:16:08,314 --> 00:16:13,194 Speaker 2: Yes, I dedicated eighteen solid months of my life to 312 00:16:13,354 --> 00:16:16,314 Speaker 2: learning golf and made my parents buy me left handed 313 00:16:16,354 --> 00:16:18,914 Speaker 2: golf clubs before I gave it up. So now I'm 314 00:16:18,914 --> 00:16:21,994 Speaker 2: feeling very guilty thinking about it. How much it probably cost. 315 00:16:22,554 --> 00:16:24,554 Speaker 1: Right, The key there is that she gave it up, 316 00:16:24,674 --> 00:16:28,514 Speaker 1: and this is what's worrying the Sports Commission because participation 317 00:16:28,674 --> 00:16:32,594 Speaker 1: rates in sport are down, particularly with girls, because when 318 00:16:32,634 --> 00:16:37,754 Speaker 1: sport gets expensive, it's not just about talent anymore. It's 319 00:16:37,794 --> 00:16:40,514 Speaker 1: starting to become about who can afford to actually show up. 320 00:16:40,994 --> 00:16:43,354 Speaker 1: So I wanted to just talk about this and put 321 00:16:43,354 --> 00:16:45,594 Speaker 1: it on the table. Stacy, who do you think misses 322 00:16:45,634 --> 00:16:47,034 Speaker 1: out when costs go up? 323 00:16:47,274 --> 00:16:50,074 Speaker 2: You're totally right, Like I hadn't thought about that. I'm 324 00:16:50,074 --> 00:16:52,234 Speaker 2: not at the sports stage show. I didn't know that 325 00:16:52,434 --> 00:16:55,114 Speaker 2: this was the level of investment you're having to put in. 326 00:16:55,714 --> 00:16:58,034 Speaker 2: And you're right that the first people who would miss 327 00:16:58,034 --> 00:17:00,714 Speaker 2: out on that are probably the most disadvantaged kids and 328 00:17:00,714 --> 00:17:03,594 Speaker 2: the ones that could probably benefit from being part of sport, 329 00:17:03,874 --> 00:17:07,234 Speaker 2: for that connection, for that stability, they will be the 330 00:17:07,273 --> 00:17:08,154 Speaker 2: ones that miss out. 331 00:17:08,513 --> 00:17:10,074 Speaker 1: The thing that struck me when I was reading about 332 00:17:10,114 --> 00:17:12,474 Speaker 1: all of this is that you know, every four years 333 00:17:12,474 --> 00:17:16,474 Speaker 1: at the Olympics, it's like a global cultural takeover and 334 00:17:16,514 --> 00:17:20,354 Speaker 1: there's lots of messages around inclusion. We are sold this 335 00:17:20,434 --> 00:17:23,593 Speaker 1: idea that sport is about inclusion, but if only the 336 00:17:23,634 --> 00:17:26,434 Speaker 1: wealthy can afford it, isn't that kind of a contradiction. 337 00:17:26,514 --> 00:17:29,793 Speaker 3: Now, look, I hate rich people having nice things. I 338 00:17:29,834 --> 00:17:32,914 Speaker 3: would rather just tax some ninety percent of their earnings 339 00:17:32,954 --> 00:17:35,674 Speaker 3: and take away their yachts, to be clear, So I'm 340 00:17:35,714 --> 00:17:37,874 Speaker 3: with you on that. But I want to step back 341 00:17:37,914 --> 00:17:41,313 Speaker 3: a little bit and ask a really dumb question that 342 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,074 Speaker 3: I think Ones is going to be mad at me 343 00:17:43,114 --> 00:17:46,954 Speaker 3: for asking. Does this matter? Does it matter? Why is 344 00:17:46,954 --> 00:17:49,434 Speaker 3: sports so important? Like I heard the other day that 345 00:17:49,514 --> 00:17:52,554 Speaker 3: retention rates in Australian high schools have been declining for 346 00:17:52,634 --> 00:17:55,634 Speaker 3: a decade, and that to me is a way more 347 00:17:55,674 --> 00:17:59,114 Speaker 3: pressing question and problem than whether or not kids are 348 00:17:59,114 --> 00:17:59,834 Speaker 3: sticking with sport. 349 00:18:00,114 --> 00:18:02,074 Speaker 1: I'm taking breath, I'm going to argue it respectfully, and 350 00:18:02,114 --> 00:18:04,834 Speaker 1: I also recognize that my bias is pro sport because 351 00:18:04,834 --> 00:18:06,273 Speaker 1: it's what I grew up, so I know it. But 352 00:18:06,314 --> 00:18:08,074 Speaker 1: I do think the same argument could be made for 353 00:18:08,194 --> 00:18:10,714 Speaker 1: music and arts and languages. But let's stick to sport. 354 00:18:11,554 --> 00:18:17,754 Speaker 1: Sport is god. Sport is okay, Okay, I wouldn't have 355 00:18:17,794 --> 00:18:21,314 Speaker 1: said this five years ago, but sport gets kids off 356 00:18:21,354 --> 00:18:25,834 Speaker 1: screens and into their bodies. Beyond that, sport teaches kids 357 00:18:25,954 --> 00:18:32,434 Speaker 1: about community, teamwork, grit, persistence when they are tired or bored. 358 00:18:32,954 --> 00:18:35,634 Speaker 1: Sport a lot of the time it's boring. You have 359 00:18:35,674 --> 00:18:37,554 Speaker 1: to go to training and do the same duels over 360 00:18:37,594 --> 00:18:41,554 Speaker 1: and over again, and that teaches persistence. It teaches kids 361 00:18:41,594 --> 00:18:43,754 Speaker 1: how to lose, and how to show up again and 362 00:18:43,794 --> 00:18:46,033 Speaker 1: again and again, how to commit to something, how to 363 00:18:46,074 --> 00:18:50,033 Speaker 1: not let your teammates down. It is gold for mental health. 364 00:18:50,114 --> 00:18:54,114 Speaker 1: It's gold for building connections. It's a ritual for a 365 00:18:54,114 --> 00:18:57,714 Speaker 1: lot of families and for kids in those identity building 366 00:18:57,754 --> 00:19:00,674 Speaker 1: years between sort of six and fourteen, sport can be 367 00:19:00,714 --> 00:19:04,314 Speaker 1: so important and there's this psychological safety to it. Some 368 00:19:04,354 --> 00:19:07,834 Speaker 1: parenting experts talk about how when your kids are growing 369 00:19:07,874 --> 00:19:11,074 Speaker 1: up in those ages, those late primary school years, they 370 00:19:11,154 --> 00:19:14,273 Speaker 1: stop listening to you as the parent, and what's needed 371 00:19:14,314 --> 00:19:18,154 Speaker 1: in that moment are lighthouse figures who are adults that 372 00:19:18,274 --> 00:19:22,434 Speaker 1: aren't their parents. Now sports coaches can be that. It 373 00:19:22,594 --> 00:19:26,593 Speaker 1: just feels like there are all these benefits to playing sport, 374 00:19:26,914 --> 00:19:31,674 Speaker 1: but sport has become this unattainable thing. It used to 375 00:19:31,754 --> 00:19:35,074 Speaker 1: be about fun, it used to be really grassroots, and 376 00:19:35,114 --> 00:19:40,034 Speaker 1: now it's about private lessons and specialist coaches and academies 377 00:19:40,074 --> 00:19:43,874 Speaker 1: and everything's an academy now, and sport is expensive, and 378 00:19:44,114 --> 00:19:47,074 Speaker 1: it's just another way that we're sort of like optimizing childhood. 379 00:19:47,074 --> 00:19:49,073 Speaker 1: And I just worry. I worry about it. 380 00:19:49,234 --> 00:19:50,634 Speaker 2: I totally hear all of that. 381 00:19:50,914 --> 00:19:53,594 Speaker 3: And it makes sense that it teaches things like leadership 382 00:19:53,634 --> 00:19:58,194 Speaker 3: and resilience because you were a school captain of your school, 383 00:19:58,234 --> 00:20:00,714 Speaker 3: I believe, and I was not, and I did not 384 00:20:00,754 --> 00:20:02,674 Speaker 3: play sport, and I don't think that's a coincidence. I'm 385 00:20:02,674 --> 00:20:04,833 Speaker 3: actually not being facetious here, Like I think you do 386 00:20:04,994 --> 00:20:07,834 Speaker 3: learn a lot of amazing things from team sports. That's 387 00:20:07,914 --> 00:20:11,914 Speaker 3: almost self evident. But the thing that makes me pause 388 00:20:12,114 --> 00:20:15,114 Speaker 3: about the idea of figuring out how to spend yet 389 00:20:15,154 --> 00:20:17,833 Speaker 3: more money on sport, because to address this problem of 390 00:20:17,914 --> 00:20:20,474 Speaker 3: only the rich kids playing sport, presumably what you want 391 00:20:20,514 --> 00:20:23,154 Speaker 3: to do is maybe get some kind of governmental intervention 392 00:20:23,354 --> 00:20:25,234 Speaker 3: or make sure that there are a program set up 393 00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:27,994 Speaker 3: so that more disadvantaged kids can play sport. You're going 394 00:20:28,034 --> 00:20:31,074 Speaker 3: to have to take that money from elsewhere. Australia is 395 00:20:31,114 --> 00:20:34,794 Speaker 3: a sports obsessed culture, and sometimes I think that we're 396 00:20:34,794 --> 00:20:37,234 Speaker 3: so obsessed with sport that we take our eye off 397 00:20:37,234 --> 00:20:40,074 Speaker 3: the ball. That's a sports metaphor for humans. I hope 398 00:20:40,114 --> 00:20:43,354 Speaker 3: it doesn't take over head appreciate it another sports metaphor. 399 00:20:43,874 --> 00:20:47,354 Speaker 3: I hope that we don't sort of neglect the idea 400 00:20:47,394 --> 00:20:50,634 Speaker 3: that school and that school kids should also be really 401 00:20:50,754 --> 00:20:53,674 Speaker 3: working on learning as much as possible in the classroom, 402 00:20:53,714 --> 00:20:57,033 Speaker 3: and we can glorify academic and intellectual achievements just as 403 00:20:57,114 --> 00:20:59,313 Speaker 3: much as we do sporting achievements. 404 00:20:59,434 --> 00:21:00,114 Speaker 2: As a culture. 405 00:21:00,514 --> 00:21:03,114 Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think it needs to be one or 406 00:21:03,234 --> 00:21:04,154 Speaker 1: the other though, does it? 407 00:21:04,314 --> 00:21:06,634 Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. But I think you can agree that 408 00:21:07,194 --> 00:21:11,754 Speaker 3: Australians have traditionally not neglected sport as an area of 409 00:21:11,794 --> 00:21:15,514 Speaker 3: cultural importance, and like you said, like music and art 410 00:21:15,594 --> 00:21:18,273 Speaker 3: and languages can teach a lot of these skills as well, 411 00:21:18,794 --> 00:21:22,394 Speaker 3: and I just wonder if by focusing on sport we're 412 00:21:22,474 --> 00:21:26,273 Speaker 3: kind of continuing to neglect those other areas. Does that 413 00:21:26,314 --> 00:21:27,114 Speaker 3: make any sense. 414 00:21:27,474 --> 00:21:29,954 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see what you mean. But I guess 415 00:21:30,274 --> 00:21:33,914 Speaker 2: with sport you're getting something that you can't necessarily get 416 00:21:34,234 --> 00:21:37,154 Speaker 2: for free somewhere else. Like do you think that it 417 00:21:37,194 --> 00:21:39,914 Speaker 2: has to be organized sport mods or do you think 418 00:21:39,994 --> 00:21:43,594 Speaker 2: kind of backyard cricket and footy can replicate this to 419 00:21:43,674 --> 00:21:45,874 Speaker 2: make it accessible to the kids who can't afford to 420 00:21:45,874 --> 00:21:46,793 Speaker 2: be put in that sport. 421 00:21:47,034 --> 00:21:50,273 Speaker 1: That's a good question, That's a really good question. I 422 00:21:50,354 --> 00:21:53,594 Speaker 1: think there are so many benefits for kids moving their bodies, Like, 423 00:21:53,634 --> 00:21:56,154 Speaker 1: no one's arguing against that. The guidelines are that kids 424 00:21:56,154 --> 00:21:59,154 Speaker 1: should be having sixty minutes of movement with their bodies 425 00:21:59,194 --> 00:22:02,554 Speaker 1: every day, and only forty eight percent of kids are 426 00:22:02,594 --> 00:22:06,313 Speaker 1: getting that amount. So the health benefits of getting them 427 00:22:06,314 --> 00:22:09,474 Speaker 1: out in any respect are good. But I think there 428 00:22:09,474 --> 00:22:12,914 Speaker 1: are benefits to organize sport that you don't get in 429 00:22:13,034 --> 00:22:14,914 Speaker 1: the kind of casual backyard games. 430 00:22:15,034 --> 00:22:15,314 Speaker 3: Yeah. 431 00:22:15,394 --> 00:22:21,273 Speaker 1: It is around persistence, commitment, teamwork, not letting people down, grit, resilience, 432 00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:22,154 Speaker 1: all that stuff. 433 00:22:22,234 --> 00:22:24,914 Speaker 3: And the other problem is that at least in New 434 00:22:24,954 --> 00:22:29,114 Speaker 3: South Wales schools that I've been exposed to, recess is gone. 435 00:22:29,434 --> 00:22:33,474 Speaker 3: They've taken recess away and so kids are missing that 436 00:22:33,674 --> 00:22:36,314 Speaker 3: chance to hit the sixty minutes of physical. 437 00:22:35,954 --> 00:22:37,194 Speaker 2: Activity at school. 438 00:22:37,314 --> 00:22:40,354 Speaker 3: Perhaps to your point on is making that organized sport 439 00:22:40,474 --> 00:22:42,234 Speaker 3: outside of school all the more important. 440 00:22:42,514 --> 00:22:44,234 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the other things I was 441 00:22:44,274 --> 00:22:47,594 Speaker 1: reading was that the reason sport costs have gone up 442 00:22:47,714 --> 00:22:50,474 Speaker 1: is because there's less people able to volunteer. Now, you know, 443 00:22:50,514 --> 00:22:53,554 Speaker 1: we have families where both parents are working really hard, 444 00:22:53,554 --> 00:22:57,554 Speaker 1: that appetite to volunteer now seems it's harder to get volunteers, 445 00:22:57,554 --> 00:22:59,154 Speaker 1: so you have to pay for people to be in 446 00:22:59,274 --> 00:22:59,954 Speaker 1: roles in christ. 447 00:23:00,074 --> 00:23:02,194 Speaker 3: Now, I was going to ask that why have the 448 00:23:02,234 --> 00:23:04,594 Speaker 3: cost gone up? Like you always had to have a mouth, guarden, 449 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:06,714 Speaker 3: a uniform presumably, so what changed. 450 00:23:06,914 --> 00:23:09,754 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's that I think there's probably regulations 451 00:23:09,794 --> 00:23:13,354 Speaker 1: around sports clubs and communities that didn't exist maybe twenty 452 00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:16,634 Speaker 1: years ago. And yeah, volunteer rates are down, so clubs 453 00:23:16,674 --> 00:23:18,794 Speaker 1: have to pay out of pocket for coaches and things 454 00:23:18,874 --> 00:23:19,154 Speaker 1: like that. 455 00:23:19,274 --> 00:23:22,513 Speaker 2: And I wonder, to your point, Amelia before around why 456 00:23:22,554 --> 00:23:25,994 Speaker 2: don't we have as much focus on academia. I wonder 457 00:23:26,034 --> 00:23:28,994 Speaker 2: whether it's that sport is more accessible for every single child, 458 00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:32,034 Speaker 2: like there are children that will just have limitations when 459 00:23:32,074 --> 00:23:34,994 Speaker 2: it comes to the academic space. But with sport, like 460 00:23:35,034 --> 00:23:36,634 Speaker 2: you might not be the best at it, but it's 461 00:23:36,674 --> 00:23:39,714 Speaker 2: so important for everyone to be moving. So maybe that's 462 00:23:39,754 --> 00:23:41,394 Speaker 2: why we need to have more of a focus on that. 463 00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:43,354 Speaker 1: Did you ever do health hustle at school? 464 00:23:43,634 --> 00:23:47,754 Speaker 2: No? I remember the beep test? Remember that, Hell, the 465 00:23:47,794 --> 00:23:48,394 Speaker 2: beat test? 466 00:23:48,634 --> 00:23:51,274 Speaker 1: Help the thing that's missing from sport that so I've 467 00:23:51,314 --> 00:23:53,754 Speaker 1: noticed because we're at the very early stage of kids sport, 468 00:23:54,274 --> 00:23:57,514 Speaker 1: it's so serious. It is so serious, and I do 469 00:23:57,554 --> 00:23:59,714 Speaker 1: not remember it being that serious when I was a kid. 470 00:23:59,834 --> 00:24:02,714 Speaker 1: I remember it being about fun and games, and I 471 00:24:02,914 --> 00:24:05,514 Speaker 1: remember a lot of tunnel ball and a lot of 472 00:24:05,634 --> 00:24:09,874 Speaker 1: like British dogs and games like that. And I think 473 00:24:09,914 --> 00:24:13,314 Speaker 1: that there is this layer of like weird, serious winning 474 00:24:13,354 --> 00:24:16,474 Speaker 1: and competitiveness that's crept into young kids' sport that I'm 475 00:24:16,474 --> 00:24:19,674 Speaker 1: not sure is really serving kids. And I think that 476 00:24:19,674 --> 00:24:22,514 Speaker 1: that's why we see participation rates kind of drop off. 477 00:24:22,634 --> 00:24:25,154 Speaker 1: Is that maybe kids lose the fun of it. Maybe 478 00:24:25,154 --> 00:24:27,074 Speaker 1: we just need to bring back health hustle in pe 479 00:24:27,154 --> 00:24:30,634 Speaker 1: at school and just a lot more games and movement. Actually, 480 00:24:30,714 --> 00:24:32,394 Speaker 1: you know what, you can just take that with a 481 00:24:32,394 --> 00:24:33,954 Speaker 1: grain of salt, Like I'm just a person on a 482 00:24:33,954 --> 00:24:36,874 Speaker 1: podcast saying this. I'm not in the space, So if 483 00:24:36,874 --> 00:24:38,593 Speaker 1: you have thoughts about it, like DM me, I'd love 484 00:24:38,634 --> 00:24:42,794 Speaker 1: to talk about it. Okay, let's pivot from the big 485 00:24:42,834 --> 00:24:47,833 Speaker 1: picture to the small pleasures. What is everyone recommending this week? 486 00:24:48,194 --> 00:24:51,874 Speaker 2: Mine is technically container based, so Amelia will love this 487 00:24:52,034 --> 00:24:55,194 Speaker 2: from me because she thinks I recommend a lot of 488 00:24:55,434 --> 00:24:59,314 Speaker 2: different storage items, which is great, which I do very 489 00:24:59,354 --> 00:25:02,474 Speaker 2: type A of me. Mine this week is the Camart 490 00:25:02,554 --> 00:25:07,114 Speaker 2: fold out stable table. So it's thirteen bucks. This is 491 00:25:07,114 --> 00:25:09,154 Speaker 2: it's great if you're doing road trips around this time 492 00:25:09,194 --> 00:25:11,434 Speaker 2: of year. So it's just like, you know, a little 493 00:25:11,474 --> 00:25:14,114 Speaker 2: flat table with fold out legs, but it will fit 494 00:25:14,274 --> 00:25:16,394 Speaker 2: over your kid's car seat if they're still in a 495 00:25:16,434 --> 00:25:18,114 Speaker 2: car seat, or they can just put it over their 496 00:25:18,194 --> 00:25:20,834 Speaker 2: laps and it's like got a little open lid so 497 00:25:20,874 --> 00:25:24,594 Speaker 2: you can put drawing or stickers or whatever things it played, 498 00:25:24,594 --> 00:25:28,073 Speaker 2: oh whatever they're into inside this little lid and they 499 00:25:28,114 --> 00:25:30,114 Speaker 2: can just play with those things on their road trip. 500 00:25:30,274 --> 00:25:33,514 Speaker 2: So we do a road trip every year, use this 501 00:25:33,634 --> 00:25:35,474 Speaker 2: every single year. This with the fourth year that we 502 00:25:35,594 --> 00:25:38,714 Speaker 2: use it, and it just entertains her the whole time. 503 00:25:38,954 --> 00:25:40,674 Speaker 2: It's like the best thirteen bucks ever. 504 00:25:40,954 --> 00:25:43,634 Speaker 1: What section of KMA is it in kids or like 505 00:25:43,714 --> 00:25:45,674 Speaker 1: homewhears where am I going kids near? 506 00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:48,033 Speaker 2: Like the crafty stuff? That is where I got it 507 00:25:48,074 --> 00:25:50,914 Speaker 2: in my KMA. Yeah it's great. They're like hot, pink 508 00:25:50,914 --> 00:25:54,194 Speaker 2: and blue. You won't miss them. They're hideous, but they're 509 00:25:54,234 --> 00:25:56,874 Speaker 2: great for that. So yeah, definitely get one of those. 510 00:25:57,474 --> 00:25:58,914 Speaker 2: What's yours? Mon's okay? 511 00:25:58,954 --> 00:26:02,914 Speaker 1: My recommendation, Amelia, you are going to hate this because 512 00:26:04,234 --> 00:26:08,553 Speaker 1: it's free. It's not something you can buy. Suggesture. I 513 00:26:08,594 --> 00:26:11,674 Speaker 1: went out for a little jog the other day, a 514 00:26:11,674 --> 00:26:12,394 Speaker 1: little shuffle. 515 00:26:12,674 --> 00:26:14,754 Speaker 2: Is that why we're hating you because you're gloating about it? 516 00:26:15,914 --> 00:26:18,354 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, because you're like, oh, not this again, not 517 00:26:18,434 --> 00:26:18,874 Speaker 1: this again. 518 00:26:19,354 --> 00:26:21,474 Speaker 3: And I was running along and I saw, are you 519 00:26:21,514 --> 00:26:23,154 Speaker 3: going to recommend indorphins? 520 00:26:23,274 --> 00:26:25,554 Speaker 2: Because if yeah, I'm gonna hate you for it. 521 00:26:25,714 --> 00:26:28,434 Speaker 1: I saw a mum running the other way and I 522 00:26:28,434 --> 00:26:30,674 Speaker 1: don't know what came over me, but I high fived her. 523 00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:32,434 Speaker 1: I just held out my hand for a high five. 524 00:26:32,674 --> 00:26:34,994 Speaker 1: I do not know this person, and they went for 525 00:26:35,034 --> 00:26:38,194 Speaker 1: it and we both laughed. And I don't know her name. 526 00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:41,794 Speaker 1: I just put my hand out. It was beautiful. We slapped, 527 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:45,154 Speaker 1: we kept running. It just made me so happy. Yes, 528 00:26:45,194 --> 00:26:47,593 Speaker 1: it was in dolphins, Amelia. It was it was just 529 00:26:47,634 --> 00:26:49,513 Speaker 1: this little nod to each other where it was like, 530 00:26:49,914 --> 00:26:52,674 Speaker 1: you're doing it, I'm doing it. Let's do this. So 531 00:26:52,834 --> 00:26:54,474 Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, if you're out having 532 00:26:54,474 --> 00:26:57,714 Speaker 1: a shuffle a little jog, it's putting yourself out there, 533 00:26:57,954 --> 00:26:59,874 Speaker 1: but I say give it a go. Give it a go. 534 00:27:00,074 --> 00:27:01,594 Speaker 1: And you could also do it when you were walking, 535 00:27:01,914 --> 00:27:03,074 Speaker 1: just give someone a high five. 536 00:27:03,274 --> 00:27:06,154 Speaker 3: I think it's less cool if you're walking, and potentially 537 00:27:06,274 --> 00:27:08,954 Speaker 3: up's the awkwardness actor as you both slowly pass each 538 00:27:08,994 --> 00:27:09,994 Speaker 3: other having high fived. 539 00:27:10,274 --> 00:27:13,194 Speaker 2: And this is very exercise specific. You cannot do this 540 00:27:13,234 --> 00:27:15,513 Speaker 2: while you're going down the grocery store aisles. Can you 541 00:27:15,554 --> 00:27:20,074 Speaker 2: imagine if you got could yes serious, you would cross 542 00:27:20,114 --> 00:27:23,273 Speaker 2: them another ten times in the other aisles, and then 543 00:27:23,314 --> 00:27:24,114 Speaker 2: you have to do an. 544 00:27:24,034 --> 00:27:25,954 Speaker 3: Awkward thing where you nod a little bit at each 545 00:27:25,954 --> 00:27:28,154 Speaker 3: other because you kind of know each other. It's like 546 00:27:28,154 --> 00:27:30,114 Speaker 3: at the office when you've said something you see. 547 00:27:30,474 --> 00:27:33,114 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, this is running only, but I love it. 548 00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:35,514 Speaker 2: I think that's really sweet. We should all start high 549 00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:37,234 Speaker 2: fiving and running. Maybe. 550 00:27:37,354 --> 00:27:39,514 Speaker 1: I'm also yeah, it's a bit weird, isn't it. 551 00:27:39,994 --> 00:27:44,513 Speaker 3: I mean, look, indorphins can be collected through any number 552 00:27:44,514 --> 00:27:46,474 Speaker 3: of means. Exercise I've heard is one. 553 00:27:46,634 --> 00:27:47,994 Speaker 2: Yes, that's great for mine. 554 00:27:48,074 --> 00:27:51,874 Speaker 3: Allegedly, I've got a retail based activity and sometimes buying 555 00:27:51,954 --> 00:27:55,033 Speaker 3: things can make you feel good. Mine is a beach bag. 556 00:27:55,154 --> 00:27:58,154 Speaker 3: It's from Project ten. The way I came across this 557 00:27:58,234 --> 00:28:00,914 Speaker 3: beach bag is I'd always been one of those people 558 00:28:01,194 --> 00:28:04,834 Speaker 3: who used the coal's tote bag to go to the beach. 559 00:28:05,034 --> 00:28:06,034 Speaker 2: That's not what I're meant. 560 00:28:05,874 --> 00:28:06,314 Speaker 1: To be doing. 561 00:28:06,354 --> 00:28:08,914 Speaker 3: I never had like a designated beach bag, and I 562 00:28:09,074 --> 00:28:11,474 Speaker 3: just felt like I could never aspire to being that 563 00:28:11,554 --> 00:28:13,954 Speaker 3: put together. But I have a very stylish friend, you 564 00:28:13,954 --> 00:28:16,434 Speaker 3: know how everyone has that one friend who just knows 565 00:28:16,474 --> 00:28:20,874 Speaker 3: everything about style. And she gifted me this bag, which 566 00:28:20,874 --> 00:28:22,833 Speaker 3: I had never thought to buy, and now I use 567 00:28:22,874 --> 00:28:25,154 Speaker 3: it all the time, both for the pool and for 568 00:28:25,194 --> 00:28:25,634 Speaker 3: the beach. 569 00:28:26,274 --> 00:28:27,834 Speaker 2: And it's made from. 570 00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:31,754 Speaker 3: Recycled plastic bottles, so it never gets moldy, and it 571 00:28:31,834 --> 00:28:36,273 Speaker 3: drives really quickly, and it's a big oversized tote. It's huge, 572 00:28:36,314 --> 00:28:39,074 Speaker 3: you can fit all manner of things in there, and 573 00:28:39,154 --> 00:28:42,434 Speaker 3: it's thirty dollars and it's a small business, so it's 574 00:28:42,474 --> 00:28:45,194 Speaker 3: the best of all. It was starting in Geelong by 575 00:28:45,234 --> 00:28:49,714 Speaker 3: a mum named Jackie McClain and her boys started school 576 00:28:49,794 --> 00:28:53,154 Speaker 3: and she wanted to do something and Project ten was 577 00:28:53,194 --> 00:28:56,674 Speaker 3: her tenth idea of what to do and it really 578 00:28:56,674 --> 00:29:00,314 Speaker 3: took off from there. So Jackie, kudos to you, because 579 00:29:00,394 --> 00:29:03,594 Speaker 3: I love my bag and it has an internal zip pocket. 580 00:29:03,674 --> 00:29:06,234 Speaker 3: It folds to a four size and I could not 581 00:29:06,314 --> 00:29:10,114 Speaker 3: love it more. The website they have a sardine print one, 582 00:29:10,234 --> 00:29:13,194 Speaker 3: and I just love anything with fish on it, so 583 00:29:13,234 --> 00:29:13,874 Speaker 3: I might have to. 584 00:29:13,834 --> 00:29:16,674 Speaker 1: Buy that love. I take your endorsement. Is there a 585 00:29:16,674 --> 00:29:20,354 Speaker 1: system where we can bump up each other's recommendations because 586 00:29:20,354 --> 00:29:24,154 Speaker 1: I also have a Project ten beach bag and I've 587 00:29:24,194 --> 00:29:27,034 Speaker 1: had mine for nine years and it's still going strong. 588 00:29:27,114 --> 00:29:30,274 Speaker 1: And it's so big, it's like an Ikea bag it is. 589 00:29:30,314 --> 00:29:32,274 Speaker 1: That's way cooler, Yeah, way cooler. 590 00:29:32,594 --> 00:29:34,834 Speaker 3: I don't think you could rip it if you tried. 591 00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:38,194 Speaker 3: I think it's indestructible. I won't, so yours is the 592 00:29:38,234 --> 00:29:39,394 Speaker 3: oversized one too much. 593 00:29:39,474 --> 00:29:41,154 Speaker 1: I got this huge one and I use it for 594 00:29:41,314 --> 00:29:44,314 Speaker 1: beach swimming lessons like it goes hard. 595 00:29:44,394 --> 00:29:48,194 Speaker 3: And I know I'm not the container recommender, so I 596 00:29:48,234 --> 00:29:50,674 Speaker 3: hope you'll forgive me for recommending one this week, but 597 00:29:50,714 --> 00:29:52,354 Speaker 3: I do feel confidentble. 598 00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,114 Speaker 2: You'll allow it because it's a container I'm not happy 599 00:29:54,154 --> 00:29:56,034 Speaker 2: with in my life, So I will be buying this 600 00:29:56,154 --> 00:29:57,714 Speaker 2: bag now. Thank you for the record. 601 00:29:59,154 --> 00:30:01,434 Speaker 1: Hey, so real quick before we go, little fun fact 602 00:30:01,434 --> 00:30:04,114 Speaker 1: for you both. Do you know about half the people 603 00:30:04,154 --> 00:30:07,914 Speaker 1: that listen to this show don't follow it? Come and 604 00:30:07,994 --> 00:30:10,994 Speaker 1: listen and then they leave. I just want to ask 605 00:30:11,074 --> 00:30:14,514 Speaker 1: one little thing, do you reckon you could follow the show? 606 00:30:14,954 --> 00:30:19,794 Speaker 1: Following is completely free and it massively helps people discover us. 607 00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:21,114 Speaker 1: So the way you do it is you just open 608 00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:24,074 Speaker 1: your podcast app of choice, you find our show. There's 609 00:30:24,074 --> 00:30:25,994 Speaker 1: a little plus button up the top, and you just 610 00:30:26,394 --> 00:30:28,874 Speaker 1: hit on that. That's it. That's it. It takes about one 611 00:30:28,914 --> 00:30:32,114 Speaker 1: point five seconds. Thank you very much. A big thanks 612 00:30:32,154 --> 00:30:35,634 Speaker 1: to our team, Tessa Kotovic, Leah Paorg Sashatanic and the 613 00:30:35,634 --> 00:30:38,634 Speaker 1: group ep Is, Ruth Devine, thank you, Amelia Lester. 614 00:30:38,834 --> 00:30:41,354 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Mom's I'm going to try running and 615 00:30:41,434 --> 00:30:43,114 Speaker 3: high fiving and report back. 616 00:30:43,154 --> 00:30:43,834 Speaker 1: Thank you. Stacy h. 617 00:30:44,034 --> 00:30:46,954 Speaker 2: Thank you. I might take up golf again after this conversation. 618 00:30:47,314 --> 00:30:49,674 Speaker 1: You never know, go eat your cloud liies. 619 00:30:49,954 --> 00:30:52,674 Speaker 2: I will actually I'm craving them now and I'll bring 620 00:30:52,674 --> 00:30:55,154 Speaker 2: you both some two and you can eat your words 621 00:30:55,234 --> 00:30:57,034 Speaker 2: and some chunky clouds. Okay. 622 00:30:57,394 --> 00:30:59,994 Speaker 1: I'm Monique Bowley. I hope you find some sugar this week. 623 00:31:00,074 --> 00:31:02,314 Speaker 1: We'll be back in the feed next Saturday morning. 624 00:31:02,354 --> 00:31:07,154 Speaker 2: Bye bye bye. 625 00:31:07,354 --> 00:31:10,234 Speaker 1: MOAMEA acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which 626 00:31:10,274 --> 00:31:11,634 Speaker 1: we have recorded this podcast.