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Speaker 3: Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 4: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for

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Speaker 2: your Face.

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Speaker 3: I'm Lee Campbell, I'm Kelly McCarran. It is Monday, and

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Speaker 3: we answer your beauty questions. I couldn't help but wonder

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Speaker 3: ask me anything?

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Speaker 2: You ask?

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Speaker 4: Many questions.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show today. Are you missing out

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Speaker 2: by applying your serums too late in the day? And

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Speaker 2: Kelly has a host tac that goes against everything she

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Speaker 2: has ever said.

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Speaker 1: What but what? First?

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Speaker 3: Lauren has asked what is the difference between cosmetic dermatologist

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Speaker 3: and beauty therapist? And what's the best way to find

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Speaker 3: a good skin clinic? Reviews are so subjective? Is there

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Speaker 3: something in particular I should be looking for? Services are

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Speaker 3: so expensive and I want to make sure I'm investing wisely.

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Speaker 2: Thanks in advance, Lauren, Lauren, excellent, excellent question. I wish

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Speaker 2: I knew what you wanted to have done, you know,

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Speaker 2: a little old facial or a facelift, very different. A

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Speaker 2: dermatologist is a doctor, so they have trained for four

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Speaker 2: top of that in dermatology, so generally a six year

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Speaker 2: I think minimum minimum. Yeah, tertiary education. A beauty technician

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Speaker 2: or a beauty therapist can do a bunch of qualifications

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Speaker 2: that are fantastic. Certificate three in beauty services is very popular,

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Speaker 1: Can be done at tafe or online at night.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so very different qualifications, both very valuable. It really

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Speaker 2: comes down to what you want to get done. And

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Speaker 2: then there's cosmetic nurses who are trained in ejectibles but

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Speaker 2: aren't doctor. There's plastic surgeons that do a lot of

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Speaker 2: you've got your dermatologists. There's cosmetic dermatologists that are more

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Speaker 2: about sort of skin look and beauty, I guess, and

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Speaker 2: then there's the more traditional dermatologists that you're going to

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Speaker 2: for your crisis orse asia, more medical skin problems. So

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Speaker 2: I've heard of a lot of people going to a

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Speaker 2: because They're not just all about anti aging. They're there

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Speaker 2: if you've got a skin cancer or a mole or whatever,

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Speaker 2: or really severe acne. Yes, So it depends on what

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Speaker 3: So ask in the beauty group what location you're in

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Speaker 3: exactly what you're looking to get done.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, or your friendship group or you know, the mums

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Speaker 2: check their instagram. However, the therapeutic goods, astration and the

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Speaker 2: it's my work and we can't post about SPO fifty,

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Speaker 2: but other people can post about tanning accelerants. It's a

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Speaker 3: The thing is, I would never go to a dermatologist

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Speaker 1: A high regular facial.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't know what they're doing, they wouldn't even do it.

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Speaker 3: A beauty therapist is so trained in like offering a

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Speaker 2: Terms are generally problem solvers, whereas a beauty therapist is probably.

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Speaker 2: Such a good point, but yeah, there's widely varying degrees

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Speaker 3: Best in the biers. They might just not have a

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Speaker 2: But yes, oh you yeah, I'm not going to be

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Speaker 3: A good example of someone that might not have tertiary qualifications,

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Speaker 2: Well. I've just been doing it and listening and learning

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Speaker 1: Ask to see their work. Let us know how you.

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Speaker 2: Go, Lauren, dying to know what you're gonna get done,

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Speaker 2: and let us know how it works out.

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Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, how to juggle the morning

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Speaker 3: skincare routine with a booby. Paris has centers of voice.

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Speaker 1: Mess Firstly, thank you so much doing God's work.

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Speaker 4: I have learnt so much from your beauty. I have

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Speaker 4: a question about my morning routine. So I have a

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Speaker 4: Or is it better to have the serums on for

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Speaker 1: Oh Paris, I love your voice.

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Speaker 2: No, So, Paris, you're up a little bit before your

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Speaker 2: barb then you go and have breakfast, and then maybe

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do anything, would you, Absolutely, just after you

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, and particularly in the morning for using vitamin

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Speaker 2: the day. So the longer it's on your face, the better. Yes,

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Speaker 2: mean you get up or splash your face if you wanted,

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Speaker 2: you could just get one of those sort of affordable

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Speaker 1: Depends on how dry you are, if you want to

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just wouldn't bother.

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Speaker 2: I don't like oftentimes if I'm working from home and

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Speaker 2: I won't have my shower till eleven and then and

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Speaker 2: followed by a hydrating ceremon or a nicentemid sunscreen, but no,

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Speaker 2: you taking back everything you've ever.

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Speaker 1: Said what.

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Speaker 3: You makeup packs?

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Speaker 1: Okay, hit me, I need to know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just being a little bit silly, a little bit hyperbolic.

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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely not taking back everything I've ever said. I'm

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Speaker 3: So the whole concept of contouring was designed for stage makeup,

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Speaker 3: So this is why I don't do it. And then

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Speaker 3: you look like a caricature.

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Speaker 3: So even if it's blended, probably you sometimes can look

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Speaker 3: as if you've just drawn things on. So just remember

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Speaker 3: the history of contour is that it is a stage

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Speaker 3: makeup tech. Yeah, so like do ten percent of what

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Speaker 2: Also, would you say, look at me the never contours?

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Speaker 2: Would you say, try and do it in natural light?

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Speaker 3: I think just be light handed with it.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it conjuring. I just call it like warming.

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Speaker 2: You warm your face, I warm my face. That's a

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Speaker 2: really good point. What products do you recommend four conjuring

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Speaker 2: or that are kind of easy to use in that category.

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Speaker 3: I actually think that cream stick products are the easiest

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Speaker 3: and then my mid range is nude sticks. Yes, that

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Speaker 1: I have it, but I can't use it. Can you

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Speaker 1: It's honestly, once you get the hang of it, it's

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Speaker 2: And then we're using a brush to buff our, contrary

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Speaker 2: a ferm brush like a ferm like almost like a

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Speaker 3: Because you want to blend it, but also sort of

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Speaker 3: but that's if you're after an even more natural well

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Speaker 2: Before we wrap this one up, I can't remember if

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Speaker 2: you ever ended up trying the kmart one. The Kmart bronzings.

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Speaker 2: Always out of stock because I'm scared of this category

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Speaker 2: so I know winter's over. But dry lips are a

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Speaker 3: Like it ends up in your mouth. And yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: It's not very precise.

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Speaker 2: You can use your toothbrush, but my tip is to

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Speaker 2: of are very very very gentle aha face expoliant, give

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Speaker 2: then it kind of will just encourage those flakes to

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Speaker 2: lift off. I've done it with the go To. They've

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Speaker 2: got three different chemical expollence. Did you know they've got gentle, clarifying,

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Speaker 2: and glow. The gentle one is fantastic, just a tiny

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Speaker 1: Another good one.

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Speaker 2: To do it with is the newer Paula's Choice six

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Speaker 2: percent mandelic acid, two percent lactic acid liquid exfolient. It's

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Speaker 2: a week. Anyway, I would only do this as needed,

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Speaker 2: and only, as Lee has said, a very gentle, whiniest amount.

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Speaker 3: You've just reminded me the Hooper Company Daily Glow exfoliating

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Speaker 3: page etonic. It's so gentle, So that would be perfect

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Speaker 3: to your lips.

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Speaker 2: Yes, or the ordinary lactic acid five percent with harlonic acid.

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Speaker 2: Now keep in mind, your lips do not have oil glands,

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Speaker 2: so that's why they get so dry. People think you're

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Speaker 2: addicted to lip balm. You can't get addicted to lip balm.

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Speaker 2: But when your lips are flaky, you probably do need

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Speaker 1: Of help with exoliation.

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Speaker 2: It's like your skin, yes exactly, but then I would

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Speaker 2: probably pop on a haylonic acid serum and then like

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Speaker 2: a barrier lip balm, and you've given you a little face,

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Speaker 2: a little facial except only your lips.

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Speaker 3: Great tip.

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