WEBVTT - New Year, Same Me — Celeste Barber Keeps It Real

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'm Katelinebrook and welcome to No Filter. This summer,

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<v Speaker 2>we've curated a special No Filter playlist which is unmissible

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with the Australians, our people who make us laugh

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<v Speaker 2>and think and feel seen.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've had just about enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all the new Year, New me noise, this one's

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<v Speaker 2>for you because it's old me. Ce Les Barber has

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<v Speaker 2>built an empire on keeping it real. She's the antidote

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<v Speaker 2>to perfection, the woman who took Instagram's glossy fantasy and

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<v Speaker 2>turned it on its head. And in this conversation she

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<v Speaker 2>opens up about ADHD, about marriage and fame, and her

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<v Speaker 2>famous friends and the messy, hilarious business of being human.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a brilliant reminder that you don't need to reinvent

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<v Speaker 2>yourself for January.

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<v Speaker 1>You just need to be yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a lot to be with me is a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>This is fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Day in day out, I get darkness, I go high,

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<v Speaker 4>I go low. Of all the things, ce Les Barber

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<v Speaker 4>is one of the most recognizable and genuinely beloved faces

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<v Speaker 4>in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a comedian, an actor, a writer.

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<v Speaker 2>A producer, a global touring, sensation and depending who you ask,

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<v Speaker 2>a feminist icon, a social media star, a mother, or

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<v Speaker 2>simply the funny woman in big knickers pulling faces on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>But behind all of that is someone who's spent years

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<v Speaker 2>making sense of her own life, the chaos of her childhood,

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<v Speaker 2>her ADHD diagnosis, the experience of being a wife and

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<v Speaker 2>mum while the world watches, and what it means to

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<v Speaker 2>be called real when you're living anything but an ordinary life.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about parenting, body image, social media fatigue, and

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<v Speaker 2>how she's navigated life with a brain that works a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit differently. Also how she's learnt to take a compliment.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't easy and through it all she's hilarious as always.

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<v Speaker 2>But more than that, she's honest. She's vulnerable and that

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<v Speaker 2>thing we all love about her she's one hundred percent real.

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<v Speaker 1>I know because I touched her.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a conversation about success, identity, the beauty and

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<v Speaker 2>chaos of life, and the woman behind the accidental empire

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<v Speaker 2>here is Celeste Barber.

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<v Speaker 4>Look will either have an amazing career when this comes out,

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<v Speaker 4>I will both be out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of rock canceled and what a rist what a sweet res.

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<v Speaker 3>Same can someone cancel me so I can lie down time?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Celeste Barber, Hi, welcome to No Filter. It's nice to

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<v Speaker 2>be Yah, we've already started, have you. We have started,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just thought I'll do an introduction, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>because we will be like, who is she?

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen it?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, exactly is that Ricky Lee? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>You are?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 4>And then I mean, I've always loved Ricky Lee. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>the reason she got voted out of Australian Idol is

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<v Speaker 4>because I was out of the country and you couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be I couldn't nineteen ten Ricky Lee. Yeah, the pipes

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<v Speaker 4>on that girl.

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<v Speaker 3>She's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I'm like, face to face met her a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of months ago, I did her radio show and

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<v Speaker 4>it was just like, oh my god, we do look

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<v Speaker 4>the same. Photos of people are like, wow, what's going on? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we look the same, which I take is a huge compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>And how does she take it? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask to take every compliment.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I'm just going to pop my pills.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone else pop your pills, all right, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>your pills are actually a conduit into a conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>all of you. Really, because little Saliste tell me about

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<v Speaker 2>Little Celeste.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, little Celeste, you're more than New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I live on the border. Yeah, you're a tween. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm from Queensland.

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<v Speaker 3>Outrageous.

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<v Speaker 2>And so a big night for us was to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the twin town Services Colas, absolutely on the border.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I grew up in a place called Terranora.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a little little well, I was kind of a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more in the hills, but yeah, we're right near,

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<v Speaker 4>right close to ten minutes to the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>And so your mum cath your dad Neville, Yeah, and was.

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<v Speaker 4>He a nifty nifty He's the ultimate nifty Neville.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And my sister Olivia, yeahs older sister. Yeah, just the

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<v Speaker 4>four of us.

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<v Speaker 2>And I like it too now that your sister older

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<v Speaker 2>sister classic way kind of asserts herself now in the

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<v Speaker 2>story of who we all know as Celese Barber. She's,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said to her, absolutely, you should do the

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<v Speaker 2>truth about these posts.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>She's also the funniest person in any room myself.

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<v Speaker 4>Like she's so funny, and she's so brave and so loud,

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<v Speaker 4>and like you're just in stitches when you're around her.

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<v Speaker 3>She's funnier than I am.

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<v Speaker 4>One hund and bring and so growing up you had

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<v Speaker 4>this like You've got a beautiful family who understood you

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<v Speaker 4>very well. Yeah, the best they could with someone who

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<v Speaker 4>a kid who's you know, near a divert adhd all

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<v Speaker 4>of that and loud and you know, I'm a nineties baby,

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<v Speaker 4>well eighties baby, you know, greppling the night and we

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<v Speaker 4>didn't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just annoying. I was annoying and ostracized school.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is so brutal, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's not an uncommon experience for people who end

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<v Speaker 2>up working in the creative arts in some capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>That this like what was it the force of your

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<v Speaker 1>personality or.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just the the force of my personality, the energy

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<v Speaker 4>around me, the energy that I would put out, the

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<v Speaker 4>ideas that were in.

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<v Speaker 3>Me that I just I didn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Ostracize me because as a fifteen year old, like everyone,

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<v Speaker 4>every teenager is fighting for their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>They are true.

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<v Speaker 4>They I have a thirteen year old son at the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>he's fighting for his life. It's a rough time. Will

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<v Speaker 4>be neurodiverse, not and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what they tend to do, I think is hence

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<v Speaker 2>there's a uniform There's a uniformity to how you dress,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a uniformity to like what you listen to and

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<v Speaker 2>what you do.

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<v Speaker 3>What your opinions are on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not in step with the youth army, then

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<v Speaker 2>it's like your bastard eyes like in the real army,

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<v Speaker 2>and they pick off the week, which I think is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a way of stopping everyone else from looking

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<v Speaker 2>at you.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely look at her.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's what I mean about everyone fighting for

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<v Speaker 4>their lives. Even the people who were a part of

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<v Speaker 4>that army, they're still freaking Yeah, I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 4>going on. And then yeah, you see a week link

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<v Speaker 4>and you go, absolutely, let's focus over there so that

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<v Speaker 4>spotlight isn't on me. I think that is definitely part

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<v Speaker 4>of what happened. It's savage and what experience brutal and

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<v Speaker 4>it's un necessary. I I know kids can be shit.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, kids are brutal with each other, but the

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<v Speaker 4>level of meanness, the level of like targeted attacks on

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<v Speaker 4>kids who are different, is out of control. Like and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm really big advocate advocate for it. Now now

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm older and my older son has ADHD and

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<v Speaker 4>I see the struggles that he's going through as well, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm onto the school all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, just.

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<v Speaker 4>They hate they when my son started at school that

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<v Speaker 4>of course see it now they're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>I liked the better when we could just follow you

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<v Speaker 4>and you not come in and talk. But I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>there has to be a lot, Like if there is

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<v Speaker 4>a kid sitting alone, you have to interject. You cannot

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<v Speaker 4>have one teacher on a school field at lunch times

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<v Speaker 4>when all of this stuff is going down and these

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<v Speaker 4>little ones are getting picked.

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<v Speaker 1>Off and not acting.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially with social media, these kids are just on their

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<v Speaker 4>phones and the toxic masculinity that's going on that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>get policed in any way. And it's like, oh, well

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<v Speaker 4>it toughens them up. I just call absolute bullshit to that,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we have to we have to interject earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>But what were you at an all girls school, no

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<v Speaker 2>co ed school? Yeah and so and that was pre

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<v Speaker 2>social media data? DA, what form did it take that that?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How was it exercised against you there?

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<v Speaker 4>It was very calculated. It was two girls in particular popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls or school.

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<v Speaker 4>They decided that I was ship and that no one

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<v Speaker 4>was to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And did it happen like overnight?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I got off the bus, right, I remember getting

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<v Speaker 4>to school, got off the bus, went up, and no

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<v Speaker 4>one was talking to me. And it's not as though,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you've been texting on We didn't have phones then,

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<v Speaker 4>we had landlines, so these girls must have put effort

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<v Speaker 4>into call around.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember talking to a girl who was my

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<v Speaker 4>friend who got caught up in it.

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<v Speaker 3>She then didn't really talk to me either.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, because she got caught up in it,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just remember her just going, nah, it's and

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<v Speaker 4>I remember exactly where I was and the feeling and

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<v Speaker 4>everything just sunk. When I was crying, she had just

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<v Speaker 4>gotten off her bus and I ran down.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>And she was like, everyone ate a bitch, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, and just that sinking feeling which you have

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<v Speaker 4>anyway when you're a teenager, and then when you were

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<v Speaker 4>a teenager that doesn't produce dopamine, so already goes I'm

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<v Speaker 4>pretty shit, right, I'm shit that then you usually start

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<v Speaker 4>your day like that and then the entire year goes Yep,

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<v Speaker 4>you are. That was I'll never forget that feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did you make yourself go to school? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What was that process for you when you would wake

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<v Speaker 2>up in the morning son's dopamine?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think I'm a really, really resilient person. This

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<v Speaker 4>is something I've learned about myself. And when I look

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<v Speaker 4>back at little me, I'm like, you're really tough mate.

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<v Speaker 3>You did like It's also the nineties. We all had

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<v Speaker 3>to go to school.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember those days, you know, it's like I think I

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<v Speaker 4>have pneumonia, and my parents I was like, well just

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<v Speaker 4>go and see how you go, and see how you go,

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<v Speaker 4>and if by lunch you don't feel well, go to

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<v Speaker 4>the sick bay will come. And you always just had

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<v Speaker 4>you just had to go to school. It wasn't parents

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<v Speaker 4>had to go to work. You had to go to school.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I found drama. I found you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>drama room and all.

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<v Speaker 1>That, because you were already a dancer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I danced, yeah, and then found drama and I

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<v Speaker 4>just I just went in.

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<v Speaker 3>I just went into me.

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<v Speaker 4>So I got a lots I made sure, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you make sure a lot yourself, be quiet, be invisible,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they'll leave you alone. But a byproduct of

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<v Speaker 4>that was I went in and went, what do I

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<v Speaker 4>What do I like? If no one else is going

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<v Speaker 4>to hang with me and I'm just going to hang

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<v Speaker 4>with myself, what do I like?

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<v Speaker 3>So I start writing jokes.

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<v Speaker 4>Or I go to the drama room, or start like

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<v Speaker 4>quoting Friends in my I love the show Friends and

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<v Speaker 4>playing the characters.

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<v Speaker 1>Out in my head in Friends, by the way, Chandler, Yeah, just.

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<v Speaker 4>Smart us, just the constant as at all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I just I remember just kind of going

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<v Speaker 4>inward and getting on with it. But it's interesting whenever

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<v Speaker 4>I think about it. Things, you know, we all go

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<v Speaker 4>through in our lives, and I've had some big things happen,

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<v Speaker 4>some tragedies and whatnot, as everyone has. But that's the

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<v Speaker 4>one thing that sticks with me is that time of

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<v Speaker 4>feeling so not just low and sad and ostracized, but

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<v Speaker 4>the energy that went in to making sure I felt

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<v Speaker 4>like that by an entire school year at school. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's why with my my son, for example, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>we aren't this is not a rite of passage, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's sometimes well it did it got treat

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<v Speaker 4>like that, Well, you just got a tough en up.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to get through it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, my parents did the best they could. My

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<v Speaker 4>parents were always like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>How did they know? Your parents?

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<v Speaker 4>I would tell you be okay, they would see so

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<v Speaker 4>you come home come yeah, like everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember my mum asking one of the girls

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<v Speaker 4>in a year who was still kind of talking to me.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was hard for.

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<v Speaker 1>Them as well.

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<v Speaker 4>When you two girls tell you not to do something,

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<v Speaker 4>you do it because then they'll if not, they'll be mad.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember my mum was saying to her quietly

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<v Speaker 4>going what what did she do? Has she done something?

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<v Speaker 4>What has she done? Like we can yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 4>and Louise go, no, you know this. Everyone just hates

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<v Speaker 4>Sally alone. Good. Well, you know what I love that

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<v Speaker 4>there's a redemption arc for you and your beautiful life

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<v Speaker 4>and your beautiful family and your breadth of the understanding

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<v Speaker 4>of humanity, which informs actually a lot of your work.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's like people always say online comments, you

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<v Speaker 2>can get a thousand compliments, but that one, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nasty comment is the barb that will strike home. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think if you've had that formative happening,

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<v Speaker 2>it stays with you.

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<v Speaker 4>It does, it stays with me, and it also is

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<v Speaker 4>exacerbated sometimes in the way where I will look for

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<v Speaker 4>that bad comment. Yeah right, you yeah, made me feel

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<v Speaker 4>so much better about myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it. I knew it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I knew it. See that's them seeing the real me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's weird, isn't it. I think, what is that need

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<v Speaker 4>that we have? I know, Oh yeah, what is that need? Why?

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<v Speaker 4>It's It's masochistic, isn't it. It's like, why am I

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<v Speaker 4>trying to hurt myself in this moment? Why can't I

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<v Speaker 4>just take the wins. I'm working very hard and very

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<v Speaker 4>successfully on that, on celebrating the wins. I've been talking

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<v Speaker 4>with my husband about it. Actually, I'm like, we need

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<v Speaker 4>to lean in to the joy. We need to lean

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<v Speaker 4>into because I just think, you know, especially with the

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<v Speaker 4>world at the moment, you kind of wake up and you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what's the fox happen? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, I'm sure something's happened. It's like, so when there's

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<v Speaker 4>a little wine, take it. I'm going to take those

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<v Speaker 4>ten I'm going to take those forty thousand good comments,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to all the five bad ones.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember Ellen Degenerous, remember her, I'm saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>She took the winds, didn't she though?

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<v Speaker 4>And everyone else's no, But I remember when people liked

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<v Speaker 4>her and she was like, you have to read all

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<v Speaker 4>the comments. You've got to take the good and the bad.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, I'm not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I actively choose not to do that because I give

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<v Speaker 4>enough shit to myself. I've got enough going on in here.

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<v Speaker 4>Who I keep myself really grounded. I keep myself on

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<v Speaker 4>the right side of things, you know, I really hold

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<v Speaker 4>myself accountable.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need strangers to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no, I'm going to take the good. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to take you all telling me I'm amazing. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to eat that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, one of your wins was your mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Your mum who went like, who recognized your neurodivergence then

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<v Speaker 2>that you just weren't formulated the same because this was

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Like nobody, like everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I know who's ADHD or whatever has been diagnosed in

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<v Speaker 2>like the last five years. Women as well, women and

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<v Speaker 2>midlife A lot of midlife sort of stuff. But your

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<v Speaker 2>mom took you to a doctor. Yeah, I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>know there was rittal in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh there was saved my life.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom and my parents were at their wits end

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<v Speaker 4>with me as well. They didn't know what to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>We were looking to change schools because like we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I was a lot, and AHD in children and in

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<v Speaker 4>girls in the nineties is a lot because it's just

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<v Speaker 4>she is loud and annoying and attention seeking and can't listen,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's it's there's nothing sexy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing sexy about superpower.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no Yeah, I envy those people who are like

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<v Speaker 4>I find it superpower.

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<v Speaker 1>I want that type. I hate it.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, we got to a point where my parents

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<v Speaker 4>took me to a doctor and as soon as I

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<v Speaker 4>walked in, he was like, you have it. You have

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<v Speaker 4>got my dad, my dad who was watching a fly

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<v Speaker 4>fly around the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom was like, help me, please, help me, help

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<v Speaker 4>me help.

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<v Speaker 2>So two amazing things, your parents calling it and going

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<v Speaker 2>I think this could take some medical intervention and a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor then who was onto it, and in a girl

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<v Speaker 2>because also I think the prevailing wisdom then was that's

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of a boy thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just loudactive boys. And that was a time where

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<v Speaker 4>we had family friends who were teachers, and they pulled

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<v Speaker 4>my parents aside once and said, leave her with us

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<v Speaker 4>for six months and we'll get it out of her.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they said.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, at that point where your parents tempted.

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<v Speaker 3>Just six months, can we let's just do it a

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<v Speaker 3>whole year?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So from that, from then being prescribed ritalin So

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<v Speaker 2>so you're sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, changed my life instantly.

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<v Speaker 4>I went home that afternoon, I sat down and we

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<v Speaker 4>had I think it was ADHD for Dummies or like

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<v Speaker 4>a book or something was sitting there, and I sat

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<v Speaker 4>down and I picked it up and I read a

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<v Speaker 4>paragraph and my parents burst into tears, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>what's wrong with you? And you've never ever done that,

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<v Speaker 4>You've never done that, You've never read.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I was quintessential.

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<v Speaker 4>Set all up a little study area in my room,

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<v Speaker 4>had a photo Janet Jackson, their caster of friends.

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<v Speaker 1>There, Chandler Chandler. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I had my timetable of how I was

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<v Speaker 4>going to study that night. I'm going to do maths

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<v Speaker 4>for twenty minutes all stuck. I got all the cute

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<v Speaker 4>pens and then went off. I just couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I had no idea how to do it. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>then had written and everything changed.

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<v Speaker 2>And so okay, here's the when things change? Did everything

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<v Speaker 2>else then change? Did school change your relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>School changed? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>I will say pre diagnosis, and this is I guess

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<v Speaker 4>one of the symptoms. I was obsessed with dancing, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was obsessed with Janet Jackson, and I had been

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<v Speaker 4>to her concert, and I learnt her concert and I

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<v Speaker 4>would perform it. So that's the hyper focus of ADHD,

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<v Speaker 4>where I would if I loved it, if I had

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<v Speaker 4>an emotional response to it, I could do it forever

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<v Speaker 4>and do it better than anyone. That's a superpower of ADHD.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had that. I think when you're asking before

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<v Speaker 4>about how did I get up and go to school?

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<v Speaker 4>I knew that there were things that I loved outside

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<v Speaker 4>of the bullshit, which is also very important for a

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<v Speaker 4>kid to have another world outside. Absolutely, and I'm so

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<v Speaker 4>full on about that with my children. I'm like, find

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<v Speaker 4>what you love now. I would get busy. I'm big

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<v Speaker 4>believer in get busy now, work now, find what you

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<v Speaker 4>want to do now and enjoy it later, don't sit

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<v Speaker 4>around and faff around.

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<v Speaker 2>And also so that you're not really just on one world,

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<v Speaker 2>so the school world, Yeah, so that you've got other

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<v Speaker 2>places where if you're an outcast here or something happens

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<v Speaker 2>or you get canceled or whatever, you had these other

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<v Speaker 2>places plug Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember, like with dancing, for example, I'd say

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<v Speaker 4>to my mom, I just want to go to a

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<v Speaker 4>different school where Julie goes to my friends from dancing,

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<v Speaker 4>and Mum was like, no, you're going to stay here.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to stay here.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that was the best thing she did

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<v Speaker 4>because when school was shit, like we were just saying

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<v Speaker 4>I had those I had that world to go to

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<v Speaker 4>and if we combined it all, if it's all shit,

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<v Speaker 4>then it's all shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I do that with my son. He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>do I want to go to school. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>go where my footymates are. I'm like, but you have footy,

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<v Speaker 4>you have different pockets because when one goes to crap.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've got that. Yeah, I think that's really passport.

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<v Speaker 4>You need a few personalities, different ways to let in.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you're obviously very talented, because then after high

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<v Speaker 2>school you went to study drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah fit and apean Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they were congratulations and we graduated and I

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<v Speaker 4>got on the first plane out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was and did you have to audition to get in?

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<v Speaker 1>And what was your audition?

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<v Speaker 3>I did Lady Macbeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh did you hands near being out damn Spot?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really I know, I mean maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>A good Lady Macbeth. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I talk about resilient. This is what I mean when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, there's someone who doesn't have any confidence. It

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<v Speaker 4>was always told by you know, external that you crap

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<v Speaker 4>in you all this. I was like, I know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing. I cannot believe it's seventeen. I decided to

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<v Speaker 4>get up and you out damp Spot. The Lady Macbeth

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<v Speaker 4>monologue for my audition.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the monologue in the World of Theater.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, It's like it's absurd. I don't think Dame Judy

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<v Speaker 4>Dench things just quite nailed it yet. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone sit down in this freezing studio in Pe in

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<v Speaker 4>the middle of the day. I remember just standing up

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<v Speaker 4>in bike pants and going and just like getting into

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<v Speaker 4>it and then and the terry that.

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<v Speaker 1>Our head of acting.

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<v Speaker 4>When I got accepted and he goes, we just knew

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<v Speaker 4>if someone has that confidence to get up and try

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<v Speaker 4>that there's something to play with.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea was that? Was it Terry's idea? No, it

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<v Speaker 1>was my idea? Is your idea?

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<v Speaker 4>I remember we studied Macbeth at school and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was really really into it, really into it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just thought, yeah, I'll do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not all of my conversation with the list. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>up after the break, we talk about her landing the

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<v Speaker 2>role of her dreams and how a friend's heavy handed,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of brutal advice helped her find her niche in comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously you were extremely talented. So because and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>point in arguing, I don't even think you bother.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually take that, this is what you're doing in your therapy.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm trying to just take I'm trying to take that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, obviously for you were, but obviously you were because

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<v Speaker 2>you auditioned, you laid him bet your way into drama school.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this is almost like a casual aside when

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard you mention this before. Then you got a

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<v Speaker 2>role on All Saints. Yeah, now that is an incredible achievement.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely absolutely, I completely agree. I loved that show that

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.879
<v Speaker 4>I felt like I had when I got that job.

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.519
<v Speaker 4>I went, I have just won a foolat, I've won

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:57.679
<v Speaker 4>an Emmy, a Tone, a Grammy in oscar I.

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe.

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.039
<v Speaker 4>And the people on that show it's and that some

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 4>of them are still my like then my family. I

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.719
<v Speaker 4>love that show so much. I loved working on it.

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 4>I was on it for five years, first as a guest,

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 4>then as a semi regular, and then I got contracted

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 4>as a regular, and I was like, I am happy

0:25:17.639 --> 0:25:19.999
<v Speaker 4>for this show and still to this day for this

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 4>show to go until I am one hundred and seven

0:25:22.399 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 4>and I die on it.

0:25:23.919 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I loved it being a patient instead.

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Of we're all my funeral on the show would I

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 4>loved it. It was that was when TV was so

0:25:36.679 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 4>good because it's different actors through each week, actors, actual

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.679
<v Speaker 4>actors coming through and you get to work with all that.

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.439
<v Speaker 4>I loved it so much, couldn't believe it was my

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 4>first job.

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't believe.

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Amazing, amazing, And also from your cohort, I imagine were

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you one of the first ones who got regular giggle yeah.

0:25:58.159 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It took a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, in hindsight, it's like it only took

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 4>you four years.

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>But when you're like, I've been doing this de Yeah. Yeah.

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:11.119
<v Speaker 1>For some actors, the realities that it may never happen.

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 4>The most actors, especially now, for most actors, it doesn't

0:26:15.679 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 4>happen there. I know most of my actor friends who

0:26:18.399 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 4>aren't working are better actors than I will ever be

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 4>or anyone will see. It's just it's just a shitty,

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 4>shitty industry.

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 1>And so and you made one of your dearest friends

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>on the show. Yeah. Yeah.

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>And a girlfriend of mine was a producer on that

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>show from Marianne Carroll, Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and she

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 2>loved you. She was like, that was a great there

0:26:42.399 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>was just something special about you know, you're wrong, it's

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>not that great.

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 1>He's not very confident.

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 3>That great.

0:26:50.399 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>And then you then we lost him.

0:26:52.919 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you lost him, and you lost him to his depression.

0:26:57.679 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was that was And where was that in

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>the in the trajectory of the show the show.

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.679
<v Speaker 4>It was toward the end. I believe that's why the

0:27:07.679 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 4>show ended. I think when Mark died, the show went

0:27:09.919 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 4>with it. They tried to then pivot. Yeah, and they

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 4>for a couple of years. They did her quite kind

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 4>of successfully, but the heart, it just wasn't the same.

0:27:19.919 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 4>We were absolutely Davis suddenly killed us like it was

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 4>just oh, it was horrible.

0:27:27.919 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:28.159 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 4>He was such a heart, the heart, soul, the smart ass.

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>And a very dear to you.

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the way that he had seen and saw

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 2>something in you, something about the self effacing nature of you.

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 4>I still believe he's the reason I'm successful one undred

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 4>percent because of what he said to me.

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:52.880
<v Speaker 1>We were.

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 4>He used to come to my place, we were worth

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 4>living in Balmain in Sydney, and we just write sketches

0:28:00.399 --> 0:28:02.440
<v Speaker 4>together and we just film them, like hold a little

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.239
<v Speaker 4>cam quarter up and he'd say his part and then

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 4>I play and we just kill ourselves laughing.

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 3>We always joke we don't need an audience.

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.479
<v Speaker 1>We are good. We're just laughing.

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 4>And I remember we were sitting on set once, you know,

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.880
<v Speaker 4>long days sitting on set doing nothing and we're writing.

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's interesting because a lot of actors go

0:28:20.159 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 2>mad on seat. That's why a lot of like mega

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood types are a little bit unhinged, I think because

0:28:26.679 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>of the enormous Yeah, waiting.

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:34.719
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, you know, Heath Franklin, the comedian. He always I

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 4>worked with him, and he's.

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Brilliant, brilliant.

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people would know him as Chopper

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>as Chopper.

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, God, he's brilliant.

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 4>One of the funniest, smartest minds I've ever worked with.

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 4>He says about TV, he says, you pay me to

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 4>sit around the acting I do for free.

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, yes, yes, waiting around. Yeah, but you were

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 2>feeling your waiting around. Yeah, that's creativity.

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 3>And that was thanks to Mark because he was like,

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't sit still.

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:00.999
<v Speaker 1>It was awesome.

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 4>That energy is so great to have around and but

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 4>he was great at channeling it. And I, you know,

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 4>we were just channeling it and we were writing sketches

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 4>and scenes and stuff and I said, oh, maybe this

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 4>light and then oh no, no, Dory, and he went

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 4>what I went, o, No, no, don't worry and then

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 4>he just he pulled the paper out of my hand.

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 4>He went, stop it. And I was like, I was

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:24.239
<v Speaker 4>my twenties. What he goes that is very boring to me?

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:25.999
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, what do you mean?

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 4>He goes you not knowing how fucking funny you are

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:33.479
<v Speaker 4>is very boring to me. It's not fun. It's not

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 4>he goes, No, one's gonna can't be like, come on,

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 4>you just have to stop it. It's like and he

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 4>said to me, you are the funniest person I've ever

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 4>known in life. Also in your work that's just boring,

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 4>so just don't And I stopped right there, and then

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 4>I stopped. I remember leaning into the comedy more on

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 4>All Saints and my role getting bigger and me really going.

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 3>And I'm going to find my niche here.

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm good at this because I always found funny easy. Yes,

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 4>but with acting, I thought, no, you need to emot,

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 4>you need to lead him macbethyr Wasyt through your head

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 4>free role, or you're not actually not earning you know

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 4>your craft. Because I thought funny it was easy and

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 4>he's like, that's not easy, but you not knowing it

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 4>is boring and I went, yeah, enough gift and it changed.

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 3>It absolutely changed for me.

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting the friends in life who love you enough

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:29.039
<v Speaker 2>to have that conversation with you. Absolutely this is not working.

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>People that really love you.

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:33.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he loved me and I loved him where he

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 4>was one of my dearest friends. And also I was

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 4>such a fan of his Mark Priestley is one of

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.719
<v Speaker 4>the greatest actors we've ever had, and beautiful gods, so handsome,

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 4>those eyes. He's such a good actor. We're all just

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of watch him. He you know, he was so great.

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 4>For him to say that to me, it's like, oh

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 4>my god.

0:30:55.960 --> 0:31:02.039
<v Speaker 1>So at this point, have you met Arpi hot husband? Yes, okay,

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to track in my head. Yeah you must

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>have woah.

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Mate, Yes, yes he had. Yeah, I meet him when

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 3>I was twenty one.

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, yeah, and this I also find.

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Extraordinary. At twenty one, when you met Arpi he had

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>two little girls, a two year.

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Old and a four year old.

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>A four year Yeah, and so was that not a

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 2>wrong way turnback signed to you?

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I didn't care.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 3>I loved it.

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 4>I was twenty one and he walked into that bar

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 4>and I went, I'm done, lock it down. Wow, And and

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 4>he was the same, Yeah, well, I guess.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's done to actually, who knows.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 4>Twenty two years later, yeah, you know, did twenty one.

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Everything's romantic. I've got daughters. I was like, oh my god,

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 4>now beautiful, that's so beautiful. But the reality of shep

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:08.719
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, twenty one. At twenty one, with big hopes

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:13.799
<v Speaker 4>and big dreams. But my heart just exploded when I

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 4>saw him, and I went, I can make it all work.

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I'll just make all of it work.

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:22.519
<v Speaker 1>It'll be fine. It's a lot. It's a lot anyone.

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 2>But also you're, like you said, big dreams and whatever,

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>so you're also running your own race and trying to

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>forge a creative life.

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think because I was on All Saints though,

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:38.999
<v Speaker 4>and in my mind it was going to be on forever.

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just saying I'm dune. Yeah show. It was

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>all very like a job. It was lovely, Yeah, because

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:46.519
<v Speaker 1>you had the stability.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't need to be creating work or do

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 4>all looking for work or trying to find it. You know.

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 4>It was my first job, and so you think it's

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 4>going to last forever. I remember when I got to

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 4>All Saints. You remember Chris Gabardi, the actor he was.

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 3>On All Lovely c.

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>I must have.

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Had that in my eyes, like, guys, this is a

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 4>family now forever, this is what we do forever. And

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 4>I got there and Chris was like, yeah, it's really

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 4>and he'd been on the show for years and he

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 4>was like, great to have you on. I was like,

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited. He goes, Yeah, save you money, he

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 4>said to me. I was like, save you money, Yeah,

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 4>save you money.

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>You Yeah.

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Always been good at doing yeah, always always been.

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.479
<v Speaker 2>And what was he's doing at that time was he's

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 2>anest Yeah, so tree surgeon.

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, tree surgeon and yes, very much, very nature man

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 4>and also living on the mid North Coast six hours

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 4>away in Scott's Head. So I was in Sydney and

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 4>you were long distance, long distance for eighteen months. Yeah,

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 4>and then the situation changed with his girls, right, yeah,

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 4>and he came down to me and we moved in together.

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh. And then he had to go back up yeah.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Right, and then you went back up with him, and

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 4>then I went back up for a while and then

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 4>went on no, yeah, absolutely not, and then came back

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:09.280
<v Speaker 4>to Sydney.

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 3>We went back to Sydney.

0:34:10.240 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 4>And then when I'm going to go to America and

0:34:13.799 --> 0:34:15.439
<v Speaker 4>up in night took time off.

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh So was this after all Saints had Finnish?

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 4>Yes, And I was like, I need to make things happen.

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 4>I want to be working, I want to be doing things.

0:34:22.799 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 4>I want to try have a go in America. You

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 4>and I had done and you don't understand my wants

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:29.039
<v Speaker 4>and my needs.

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I was leading Macbeth. Goddamn it, how dare you? And

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:33.240
<v Speaker 1>then he had.

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 4>The girls, and you know, it was worlds were kind

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 4>of going like that, and I said.

0:34:37.759 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go to America.

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>He went fine. I went to America and went I'm pregnant.

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, best thing. Oh And then came back.

0:34:49.759 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>So this is with your eldest Lulu. Yeah, holy molly.

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>How far into America did you find out you were

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 1>pregnant at the end of it?

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 4>And where were you in La driving down to Malibu

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 4>with my friend and her convertible and I was like, oh,

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 4>my goodness.

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 3>My period in a while, and she was like, you're pregnant.

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, how dare you?

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 3>I have company? And then came back and went.

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh, wow, I'm bad. Actually I about it when I

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 1>got back. Oh, holy Molly. And how old are you then?

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 4>So I was twenty nine when not overly young, but

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 4>in the scheme of week, I.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Think that's a geriatric pregnancy.

0:35:28.799 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Probably they call everything over.

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Sixteen pregnant just because they liked big women are yeah,

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 4>and so ARPI was the father. Yes, Well they never know,

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 4>do they.

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, so my son was like and when you

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 1>look at the boys, told they.

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 4>Dad, it's unbelieved, especially Lou, our oldest. It's yeah right,

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 4>it's creat And we named Lou afterpy Arpy was here.

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 4>Lou was Arpi's nickname with his family. It still is

0:36:03.759 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 4>because when he was little he lived in Papua New

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 4>Guinea for a while and he used to walk around

0:36:08.279 --> 0:36:10.999
<v Speaker 4>a little nappy eighteen months old singing to Sir with Love.

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 4>That was his favorite because his dad always played it.

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 4>And the singer of that song is called Lulu, so

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 4>they Lu. Even now when we get invited to like weddings,

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 4>it'll be Celestia Lou.

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What what sort of name is Rpi? By the way,

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>it's mari nameh yeah. Oh and he fell in love

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>with a Pakia Yeah it's yeah, I love.

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 3>I would move to New Zealand like that. I want

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 3>to relocate over there.

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Really, are you on the run from something? So less?

0:36:43.759 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>But they're all following me? Well, speaking of following, oh yeah, okay,

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 1>so the.

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Next that was your first rocketd but is it?

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 2>But so then you had this lull, so you had baby,

0:36:59.960 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I imagine, just like such a shift even you know,

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 2>you'd had that, you'd had the girls.

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very different, very different, very different.

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 4>And then had Lou on the mid North Coast and

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 4>then yeah, no, work, had a new baby. I was

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 4>teaching acting and dancing at the local public school for

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 4>five dollars just to do something like I have to

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 4>it's in me. I can't just sit. And then we

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 4>moved to the Central Coast and I had my second

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 4>boy buddy, and then Instagram came about and I was like.

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this could be something, this could be amazing.

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Early you were early only do you think that was

0:37:43.279 --> 0:37:46.280
<v Speaker 2>because of the isolation or are you genuinely a person

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>that's like drawn to something new.

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I think both.

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.919
<v Speaker 4>I think not necessarily drawn to something new. I mean

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 4>I like shiny things, but I needed to do I

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.760
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do something. And I saw this new app

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.519
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, wow, this is a and.

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 3>It was just it was a three pronged attack.

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 4>For me, was a this is bullshit that's been put

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 4>out right. It was all such perfection, absolutely perfection actually

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 4>being sold as ever, like you know with glossy magazines,

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.879
<v Speaker 4>you knew that that was a glossy photo and that

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 4>there was a photo shooting that and that's been photoshopped.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 4>It's a Tiffany's campaign and everyone's photoshopped, and that's what

0:38:25.799 --> 0:38:29.320
<v Speaker 4>they're selling us with Instagram. I was like, this isn't

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 4>you know to be like this is man, I'm just

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 4>finished breastfeeding. That what looks like when you finish breastfeeding.

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 4>That's not what it looks like at all. So I

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 4>kind of wanted to cut through the bullshit of that.

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.999
<v Speaker 4>I just thought it was I was gonna say, maybe

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 4>who did it?

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>We were sending them?

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Was I was sending to Olivia, my sister, each other,

0:38:53.279 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 4>and yes, what it looks like.

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I just write a challenge accepted.

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 4>She's like, you know, just kind of bantering and I

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.240
<v Speaker 4>was like, I'm going to do some but I remember

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 4>doing it and going, this is going to be good.

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 4>I think people want to say this. I think people.

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>And also it's funny.

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know funny. I know what's funny.

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>So that was your first what was your first one?

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 4>First one was a yoga pose off a website. Then

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 4>they then put it on Insta. I later learned that

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 4>the website was run by one of the girls who

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 4>bullied me at school. I know, yeah, I don't fuck

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 4>around when the woods come to Dunsane. Yeah, yeah, and

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:46.280
<v Speaker 4>I did it. I remember the caption was I'm starting something.

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 4>That's all I wrote. And then stage less challenge accepted,

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.479
<v Speaker 4>and then yeah, that was kind of just The first

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 4>one was just a silly yoga pos and I had

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 4>Buddy who was then in a little walky in the

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 4>background of just kind of showing what it's like to

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 4>be at home trying to do yoga.

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very SIMPLESO. You know what I love when the

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>three it's of a story come together. Everyone loves a

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>redemption arc which you're at the start of you don't

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.719
<v Speaker 2>even know at that point, but also that all the

0:40:12.759 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 2>things that you've done until that point have are going

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to stand you in such good stead.

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>You are a magnificent mover. Yeah, isn't that.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 4>Everything's in my body absolutely, that's just start here.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting in your parodying of these perfect posts

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and that you are actually a brilliant mover. O.

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Thanks, That's what I find funny physical comedy. I love slapstick.

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 4>I love so to be able to do that and

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:46.760
<v Speaker 4>morph my body in those ways.

0:40:46.799 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 3>I think that's part of the reason it works.

0:40:49.279 --> 0:40:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.800
<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is it looks clumsy.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looks clumsy.

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 4>But I think my theory is I think it takes

0:40:56.759 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 4>a coordinated person to be to look clumsy. Yeah, right,

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 4>because I'm coordinated and I know what I'm doing that

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 4>I can, you know, sell.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>It as clumsy.

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, whereas there's actually a great there's a great

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>physical expertise to it.

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh thanks, don't you think? Yeah it's not That's what

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Thanks.

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, Like I said.

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know what I'm doing.

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 4>I know how to take something, flip it and make

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 4>it funnier, make it, give it a different lens. And

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 4>I know my physicality absolutely helped. And we're not with

0:41:28.279 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 4>my stand up. I went around that stage like an

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 4>idiot and sure I try, yeah always, sure, Well, because

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 4>tom Ford said I need to.

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Play to my legs. Yeah, you got great leads.

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 4>So I always legs and lashes in between the big

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 4>old mess. But I got great fucking legs and great lashes, and.

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>So tom Ford.

0:41:44.759 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 2>The friendship came as a result of the parodies. Yeah,

0:41:48.799 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and how when did they really start to gather momentum

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 2>when you really went, oh this is there's been ignition.

0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I did a post.

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't long after I had started. I did a

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 4>post of Kim Ashan if you heard of her? Oh

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.439
<v Speaker 4>was that on the dirt pile? Is she Yeah, she's

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:14.919
<v Speaker 4>a lawyer and an actor, that's an activist and I'm

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:20.359
<v Speaker 4>pretty sure she invented feminism. Yeah, yeah, she did it

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 4>a photo they do.

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 3>A pile, and I did it.

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 4>I did a period of it, and then I think

0:42:26.279 --> 0:42:28.879
<v Speaker 4>the ever credible Daily Mail got ahold of it and

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 4>sent it out and I woke up to fifty thousand

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 4>followers in twenty fifteen.

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Which is a lot a losh.

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then you got the affirmation of I mean you

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:43.320
<v Speaker 2>already had it from yourself.

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh, but then I got so so I was like,

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 4>oh my god. Remember we had friends over at the time,

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, everyone just popped fine seven photos

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 4>I was doing and I just would back up because

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 4>I also, I was saying before about the three pronged attack.

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 4>I also knew that it was funny and that I

0:42:57.759 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 4>wanted to work and that this was a good platform

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 4>to show that I know I'm a comedian, Like, we

0:43:02.799 --> 0:43:06.840
<v Speaker 4>don't have many comedy clubs here Sydney. Maybe something Melbourne

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 4>down here, and you had but I had kids, and

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not a stand up by trade, acted by trade.

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.240
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, this is good, this is smart.

0:43:15.279 --> 0:43:16.919
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know this is going to be good.

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 4>And then when it started to get traction and people

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.039
<v Speaker 4>started to see it, I was like, great, and I

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:22.280
<v Speaker 4>would Then I got busy.

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:23.880
<v Speaker 3>I would post two three.

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Times a day because absolutely, and it's always been the

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 4>goal is to work. I've always just want I've just

0:43:31.799 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 4>always wanted to work. And I thought this, and I

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 4>remember sending it to people who had like followings, like

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 4>friends of mine, carry it dire, one of my oldest mates.

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 4>I was like, can you share this? I think this

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.399
<v Speaker 4>is kind of funny. Can you give me a shout out?

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 4>Like just knowing, I wanted to just push it out.

0:43:47.279 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 4>I wanted people to see it like I was because

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.359
<v Speaker 4>I knew. I knew it was making women laugh and

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 4>not hate themselves as much fighting against everything that is

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 4>pushed on us. And I also knew it was funny

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 4>and I wanted producers and directors see it.

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>A girlfriend of mine said to me.

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:11.999
<v Speaker 2>Years ago, actually she said, I hate Instagram. It makes

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 2>me feel bad about my life, and I love my life,

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 2>and so what you did was kind of reclaim. It

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>was kind of Emperor's New Clothes in a way, wasn't it,

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Because it was like we when you've just fed a

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 2>diet of something, you kind of think that's that's just

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the only meal that's available. And something about what you

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 2>did reset things for women.

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:35.439
<v Speaker 1>And made us.

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Go, oh, actually, that's ridiculous.

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, And that's the you know, people have different opinions

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 4>on the posts that I do or whatever, but the

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.359
<v Speaker 4>first thing that people do and what I want is

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 4>for them to laugh, and then they can go she

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 4>looks shit, whatever, she doesn't look bad enough, she looks

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:56.919
<v Speaker 4>to Yeah, it's the best thing I've seen in my life.

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 4>But the first thing is love to be like huh yeah.

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:00.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's what.

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Because, like I said before about magazines, you can put

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.839
<v Speaker 4>them down, but when it's three in the morning and

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 4>you're trying to breastfeed a baby that will not breastfeed,

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 4>and you're on your phone and you're scrolling seeing all

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 4>of this steak, it seeps again. Social media seeps in

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 4>through our pores and we're mainlining it absolutely, and I

0:45:19.799 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 4>wanted to cut that off. I wanted there to be

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 4>a little break in that to try to make us

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 4>not hate it.

0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, But so here's the thing, Because you obviously consume

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.919
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it because you're, you know, looking.

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 1>For the next or the thing that resonates with you.

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.839
<v Speaker 2>How do you keep your own channel clear so that

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 2>you don't become consumed by the very thing that you

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 2>know that you're recognizing on behalf of others?

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I delete the app.

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I take it off my phone for a few days,

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.280
<v Speaker 4>because I'm a victim. Of course.

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 3>Actually now it never used to be.

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.399
<v Speaker 1>No, but it's more, isn't it. What is beast now?

0:46:05.799 --> 0:46:08.359
<v Speaker 4>Like I still post on Instagram the same way I

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 4>did ten years ago. Yeah, it's just not how. I

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 4>have contacts in Instagram and they're like, Hi, can you

0:46:15.279 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 4>try doing this? Or I'll go in and have meetings

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 4>with them. They're like, these are your stats and if

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 4>you wanted to maybe try doing this, you can. Then

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 4>they always turn to me and go, well, just keep

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 4>doing what you're doing because you have the highest engagement

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 4>of anyone. And that's great because I just keep doing

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 4>what I'm doing. But my god, I get caught up

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 4>in it. I've had it last week. I deleted it

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:34.759
<v Speaker 4>for three days because I spiraled.

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I looked at it.

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 4>I was like, well, I'm not getting that acting job.

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm not getting that comparison kick in Paris. It's so brutal.

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 4>It is such a brutal device. Like I said, that

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.280
<v Speaker 4>seeps in and the only way I can do it

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:52.480
<v Speaker 4>is to delete it.

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:53.479
<v Speaker 1>I have to take it off.

0:46:53.759 --> 0:46:56.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm actually I just got an assistant and I'm starting

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 4>to schedule.

0:46:57.600 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Where I go.

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 4>I will go on I'll go on Instagram for an

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 4>hour and I'll look for things. Then I'll get my

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 4>assistant to pull them, and then the next day I'll

0:47:08.759 --> 0:47:11.399
<v Speaker 4>shoot them and then we'll schedule posting three.

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.799
<v Speaker 4>I even get my kids to say if i'm because

0:47:15.799 --> 0:47:18.720
<v Speaker 4>I work on my phone, to ask me, Mom.

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Are you working?

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:47:19.759 --> 0:47:23.439
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, yeah, yes, you're not put my phone down.

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 1>It's so addictas.

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's well, it's designed to be, but you're right,

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>something's happened in the last.

0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Couple of years where it really is. It is a beast.

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 4>It's all consuming when you've done that, So at this

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 4>point you're underway.

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>You've really got.

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Challenge accepted, momentum. Fuck, they're funny justa just Emrata, you

0:47:46.759 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 2>could just have devoted yourself.

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I well, I was, I was, and then she blocked me.

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know so because the thing that I've loved

0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 2>is like with Cindy Crawford and you know, Chris Jenna

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, those who were smart enough to go this

0:48:03.279 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 2>is actually funny. Yeah, funny, and I'm going to go

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.439
<v Speaker 2>along with it because this is great for everybody.

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 1>But Mrata is not that.

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 3>No, she doesn't like it.

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you have any communication know her? Never? No, not

0:48:18.799 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 1>from her people, No, no, not at all. She talks

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>about it.

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.320
<v Speaker 4>She has spoken about it, not to me, but podcast

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 4>I guess like I am now, But no, there's been

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 4>no communication.

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>It is. It's not a shock to me that she's

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>not led by humor.

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 4>Yes, a bikini model doesn't like being made fun of

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 4>by a middle aged woman. It's not it's not like

0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:48.479
<v Speaker 4>breaking news. Consumers come out and humor. It's I think

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:51.799
<v Speaker 4>we're a particular woman who was used to walking down

0:48:51.799 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 4>the street and the sea's parting for her. All of

0:48:54.759 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 4>a sudden, someone goes, that's crazy that you're lying naked

0:48:57.680 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 4>on the floor hugging your dog, and no one's I

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:02.319
<v Speaker 4>would try It's not lost to me that she's like, no,

0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't like it, so I stopped doing it.

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a monster, No, I'm not a bully. No.

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 4>I make fun of an industry that makes women hate themselves,

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 4>takes billions of dollars of us hating ourselves. She doesn't

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 4>like it, so I don't do it, which makes me sad.

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Make she's the.

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Greatest, greater she puts out, but also fair.

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I know that you're not allowed to.

0:49:31.759 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 4>Usual friends as well, and some of them are like,

0:49:35.799 --> 0:49:44.799
<v Speaker 4>hum well, so this is interesting. I haven't banging us son.

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:44.400
<v Speaker 1>But so the tom.

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Ford thing, that was an astounding thing, because fashion generally.

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Is not known for its humor.

0:49:54.799 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 2>No, they're very po faced, and they kind of to me,

0:49:59.759 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>it seems like they come from intimidation.

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 4>And I'm hungry, hungry, sham shaming, yeah, hungry, but grateful

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:18.799
<v Speaker 4>those models shoes whatever. Yeah, And he tapped into that.

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 4>He knew that that's.

0:50:19.799 --> 0:50:22.839
<v Speaker 1>What we spoke about. And then how did he contact you?

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 4>I've got an email from his right hand woman and

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 4>the subject was Tom Ford loves Celeste Barber. I was

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 4>sitting in a car park at Woolworth's at the entrance

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 4>on the central host.

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Of course you were.

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:40.479
<v Speaker 4>And I just bought all of the you know, the

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:44.400
<v Speaker 4>red red spot discounted sales, chicken and a biscuit in

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.120
<v Speaker 4>the back of the car and I was like, what

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 4>them what And it said I've printed the email habit

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:54.879
<v Speaker 4>from of course said he loves you, he wants he

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.719
<v Speaker 4>would love to work with you, if, if that would

0:50:57.759 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 4>ever be a possibility. He thinks you're hilarious. And you

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 4>know the sound an email makes when it comes in. Yes, yes,

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 4>I hadn't finished, and I'd responded and see seed every

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 4>bit you bullied me in school. I was like, when

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 4>where how, I'm ready, let's go. Yes, And then we

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 4>were meant to work that year. He wanted me to

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:22.080
<v Speaker 4>go to blame me to Fashion Week, but his partner

0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 4>was unwell, so.

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>It got postponed.

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.440
<v Speaker 4>So I was over there anyway, and I met with

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 4>him in his office and it was just he got

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.839
<v Speaker 4>down on his knees and crawled across the floor to

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.320
<v Speaker 4>me and was like, oh my god, oh.

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:37.320
<v Speaker 3>My god, you're a queen.

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, get up, and he was like no.

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 3>I bowed down.

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:41.919
<v Speaker 4>He was like, seriously, you're in a ten thousand old

0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 4>suit get up and it's just become a very lovely

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Oh it was, Oh it was Apart from me, it's

0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:55.439
<v Speaker 4>too much. It's just the greatest creative experience of my money.

0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.000
<v Speaker 1>You walked Fashion Week twenty.

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 4>Well twenty nineteen. Then he flew me out and we collaborated.

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.400
<v Speaker 4>We did some insta together, some parodies. He had a

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.560
<v Speaker 4>whole little studio set up out the back where he

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 4>was doing Fashion Week.

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 3>And then I walked.

0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't walk in the show.

0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 4>I did the rehearsal at the beginning, and then I

0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.839
<v Speaker 4>sat front row next to Russell Westbrook and Cardi B

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:27.239
<v Speaker 4>and Tom Hanks and oh my God and Anna Winter

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 4>like stop it was too much. Watch the show by

0:52:30.799 --> 0:52:33.400
<v Speaker 4>the world, Tom Hanks, Hang, it gets better. Can I

0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 4>tell you another story.

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>About this please?

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.920
<v Speaker 3>And then at the end of the show, the end of.

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 4>The catwalk, the doors opened up and the after party

0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 4>was out the back. And as the doors opened up,

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 4>the video that we had just shot was on a

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 4>massive screen that dropped down and everyone I'd see it

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 4>so before that. I'm sitting there and I think people

0:52:56.360 --> 0:53:01.040
<v Speaker 4>Cardi B particular, like, who's this bitch? People are getting

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 4>shuffled down for me to sit in, and I was

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.240
<v Speaker 4>the one that ran in lake because I was filming

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 4>with Tom Ford and I have a chance to get

0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.319
<v Speaker 4>here in time. So I run in and sit down

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 4>and they're like, who's this chick? And then that screen

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 4>came up and I was like, I screamed.

0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like like.

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:18.800
<v Speaker 4>Just no chill at all, like stood. I remember Elizabeth

0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 4>DEBICKI came up to me and she was like Elizabeth,

0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, like it was so nice. And then

0:53:24.759 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 4>we went to that party and then there was like

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 4>a little secret room where only fancy fancies it's like

0:53:31.799 --> 0:53:34.239
<v Speaker 4>half the size of this studio went into and it

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 4>was Tom Hanks and Tom Ford and Anna Wintour and

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I got brought in and tom Ford didn't know I

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.359
<v Speaker 4>was there, and how he was talking about me to

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Tom Hanks.

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm gonna cry.

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.719
<v Speaker 4>It's like she's an absolute genius, Like she has a

0:53:50.759 --> 0:53:54.400
<v Speaker 4>comedy brain like I haven't seen, Like she's so hilarious.

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:58.400
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, hello, why did you interrupt that conversation?

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 3>I know, well I tried it because a small room

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:01.479
<v Speaker 3>and I think I was.

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.239
<v Speaker 4>Like around the back, like how was how was Anna

0:54:04.279 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 4>wind I didn't really talk to her.

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:07.760
<v Speaker 1>She kind of scary.

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 3>No, I love Anna Win.

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 4>She looks busy, she kind of and she I think

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.160
<v Speaker 4>she gave me a smile. Maybe she didn't, but let's

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 4>pretend she did. But no, we didn't have any interaction.

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't think she hangs around. What she didn't hang

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 4>around for that?

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>She left.

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 4>But then I was talking with Tom Hanks after and

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.839
<v Speaker 4>we were talking about having what the best way to

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:29.519
<v Speaker 4>have a cup of tea.

0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 1>That's what we're about.

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was lovely. He was going home to have

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:35.319
<v Speaker 3>a martini. I said, I'm going to go home.

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.360
<v Speaker 4>I was going home to have a martini at home.

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, back time.

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:40.600
<v Speaker 4>And I said, I'm going to go have a cup

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 4>of teen. He went, oh, a cup of tea and

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 4>I said, yeah. We talked about the best way to

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:47.920
<v Speaker 4>have a cup of tea. Milk for honey, Milk and honey.

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, milk and honey. Yeah.

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 2>After this short breather, we talk about how Celeste and

0:54:56.799 --> 0:54:59.879
<v Speaker 2>hot husband Aarpi have made their marriage work through the

0:54:59.960 --> 0:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>highs and the lows don't go anywhere.

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:13.760
<v Speaker 1>So you have now navigated I think, just such a

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>change in terrain in your life. But many times.

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's the way of looking at it.

0:55:22.799 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 4>Arpie is always your surpa. Yeah, he's my king. Yeah, yeah,

0:55:29.279 --> 0:55:29.879
<v Speaker 4>he's my guy.

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.560
<v Speaker 1>And so how what's changed in that?

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Like, so you've gone from rags to riches and from

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:44.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, the isolation to the whole world. Like, what's

0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 2>changed or what's been the constant with you guys?

0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.840
<v Speaker 4>The constant for us, and I know this sounds cliche

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:58.399
<v Speaker 4>or annoying, is love. We have such a desperate love

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.919
<v Speaker 4>for each other. Arpi and I, even when we tried

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 4>to break up the elevety billion times that you try

0:56:03.759 --> 0:56:06.239
<v Speaker 4>to break up over a time, twenty two year relationship,

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:11.719
<v Speaker 4>we just we cannot Like he I love him on

0:56:11.759 --> 0:56:17.000
<v Speaker 4>a cellular level and I've never known anything like that,

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 4>and it terrifies me and it infuriates me.

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I'm like, let me be fright. You know, I'm

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:23.319
<v Speaker 3>a runner, you.

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.359
<v Speaker 4>Know, the fight or flight, I'm out And if something

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 4>gets tricky, especially not coming into.

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Perimenopause, that's fine.

0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>And he is just.

0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:33.279
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it though?

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 4>But I seen out warning shots as well, like just

0:56:36.279 --> 0:56:38.319
<v Speaker 4>see you know the JITs And he's like, oh great,

0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:42.879
<v Speaker 4>But I think as well, we are growing together like

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:46.879
<v Speaker 4>that is something that I've noticed that we can't it

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:50.719
<v Speaker 4>can't just lock it off. And I think, you know,

0:56:50.799 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 4>he's fifty two. I think he may have thought that

0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 4>you can.

0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:56.439
<v Speaker 3>Just lock it off. I think a lot of men

0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:56.799
<v Speaker 3>do that.

0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:00.080
<v Speaker 4>They're like, great, well we've done this, We've got this marriage,

0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:01.720
<v Speaker 4>and we've got the thing, and she's doing the stuff

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 4>that she wants to do, and I'm pretty happy.

0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:05.520
<v Speaker 1>We're redne it good? How good is that?

0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, I need a little bit more so

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:09.359
<v Speaker 3>learning that.

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:10.799
<v Speaker 1>About how do each other?

0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:13.719
<v Speaker 2>How do you I'm asking this from self interest, by

0:57:13.759 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the way, how do you get a partner who's got

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 2>that that those beautiful like his strength is also his

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:26.320
<v Speaker 2>weakness sometimes like even absolutely that stability, that groundedness, that whatever.

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 4>But there's also a rock don't move I have for well,

0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:32.680
<v Speaker 4>this is obviously just for Arpi and I. But one

0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 4>thing that I'm really trying to do with him more

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 4>and more is empower him more. I want him to

0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:42.120
<v Speaker 4>know that no, and he does know that, but I

0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:44.120
<v Speaker 4>work on that. That's something you know, I'm in therapy,

0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 4>were in couples therapy that I want it. I want

0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 4>him to know how valued he is that I could

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:54.519
<v Speaker 4>do this on my own.

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I have no interest in doing it on my own.

0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to have the biggest house on the

0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 4>tallest hill and live on it alone. I want it

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:06.320
<v Speaker 4>to be with him. And how important it is is

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 4>that he feels valued and nourished and loved and.

0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>The king that he is.

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm a lot to be with me is a lot.

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 4>This is fun. You know I'll leave soon and you're like, oh,

0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:23.480
<v Speaker 4>that was fun.

0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:24.959
<v Speaker 1>Day in day out.

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 4>I get darkness, I go high, I go low, have

0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 4>all the things.

0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 1>And why does he love you?

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 3>You'd have to ask him.

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:33.520
<v Speaker 1>No, you must know.

0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 3>I think he really sees me. I do think he.

0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 4>Sees, you know, this little girl who's going to have

0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:46.959
<v Speaker 4>a little cry now, or this little I think he

0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:52.760
<v Speaker 4>loves my vulnerabilities. It's all of that quiet stuff about

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:56.400
<v Speaker 4>me that only he kind of gets, and a handful

0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:59.120
<v Speaker 4>of obviously, you know my friends and my gaze they

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:04.240
<v Speaker 4>get that. But he's the one that just gets me.

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.439
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's what he loves about me. He

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.720
<v Speaker 4>also I think loves that I go, come on, we've

0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 4>got a big life. Let's lean in, ure saying before

0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 4>about celebrating the joy and leaning into the winds.

0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like we don't have to do any of this.

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:23.400
<v Speaker 4>We don't have to go to Europe for six weeks

0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:25.200
<v Speaker 4>while I tour and we take our children.

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<v Speaker 1>What a fucking life.

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<v Speaker 4>But also are we going to be doing I could

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<v Speaker 4>be the regional manager for Witchy at Pacific Fair.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love it. I love that job.

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<v Speaker 1>But he don't love it too.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually he would love it, but that's not who I am.

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<v Speaker 4>But I really lean into what he wants to do

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<v Speaker 4>as well, and that can be tricky with men. I

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<v Speaker 4>find that it's like, well, what do you want to do?

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<v Speaker 4>And he's like, okay, yeah, we need to figure that out. Honey,

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<v Speaker 4>sitting on the couch all day, not that he sits

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<v Speaker 4>on the couch every day, but just locking it off

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<v Speaker 4>that is not That is not joyful for me, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's not joyful for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I try and champion him as much as

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<v Speaker 4>I can.

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<v Speaker 2>When you who started therapy first, you started me first?

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<v Speaker 1>How long ago did you start?

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<v Speaker 4>On?

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<v Speaker 1>And off? For years?

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<v Speaker 4>I came off Ritland for a while after Mark died

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<v Speaker 4>and went on andy depressants, and I mean I overlapped

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<v Speaker 4>those and that was bad. So I went off written

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<v Speaker 4>because also I was told when I was diagnosed with ADHD,

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<v Speaker 4>you grow out of it, you don't have it.

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<v Speaker 1>As an adult.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, adult ADHD is different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't that the doctor not that good?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually he was fine, he was lovely.

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<v Speaker 4>It was later on that I think when I saw

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<v Speaker 4>a psychologist later that were like, well, you probably come

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<v Speaker 4>off Ritlan because it's not really a thing in adults.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, of it like the genes and how

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<v Speaker 1>lovely and not the case.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went on andy depressants for a bit and

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<v Speaker 4>started seeing a psychologist and then I was on antidepressants

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<v Speaker 4>for a really long time and I kind of had

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<v Speaker 4>forgotten why, I mean Mark, and then I had other

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<v Speaker 4>friends who died, which is very annoying. So I came

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<v Speaker 4>off those and went back on to Ritland. And so

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<v Speaker 4>I've been doing therapy on and but like anything with

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<v Speaker 4>my brain will, I'll do therapy every week six weeks

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<v Speaker 4>and I and it'll be great, and then I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to talk anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>What I do on a Tuesday? Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you said to RP, let's go together,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do this together.

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<v Speaker 3>He jumped it.

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<v Speaker 4>He's fantastic, and he goes to therapy on his own

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<v Speaker 4>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>More than imagine those sessions.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the amount of times, the amount of times I've

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<v Speaker 4>gone in.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to talk to his therapy and do you

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<v Speaker 3>talk about me?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I don't know what the etiquette is because I

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<v Speaker 4>have a list of ship that I want him to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about in therapy, but I'm not allowed to.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't take your list.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't take my list.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting though, I think in many ways they're more

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<v Speaker 2>forgiving than we are. I think more forgiving of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the imperfections that so consume us. Yeah, sometimes they don't

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<v Speaker 2>even see them.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because sometimes are not as smart as us either.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that, you know. I mean I've spoken

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<v Speaker 4>with that many women. They're like, he doesn't do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so annoyed.

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<v Speaker 4>Our relationships bad. We haven't spoken for we haven't had

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<v Speaker 4>sex in months.

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<v Speaker 3>It's terrible. Then I speak to the husband. He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>we're tracking really well, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't annoy me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't need to going really well, Yeah, I know so.

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<v Speaker 3>Many women who have left men and the men are Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I had an idea, and everyone's like, oh, we saw

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<v Speaker 4>that coming miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You have had every experience that I think it's possible

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<v Speaker 2>to have in the in the public eye, other than

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<v Speaker 2>attending your own funeral. But you've been you've been praised, celebrated, criticized,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been too big, you're too hot to be comedic anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like everything, and sometimes it's all in the same week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So how do you manage that roller coaster?

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<v Speaker 4>I think I probably just write it. I think I

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<v Speaker 4>just go through it. I take it for what it

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<v Speaker 4>is and move on. I've learnt that you can't please everyone,

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<v Speaker 4>so I ignore a lot of it. When it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to how I look. I understand why people would say

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<v Speaker 4>something because of the nature of what I do. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm you know, I'm not an idiot in that sense,

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<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, I don't. It's not all

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<v Speaker 4>I do. It's like putting my body out there is

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<v Speaker 4>not all I do. Sure, maybe that's how people knew

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<v Speaker 4>me early on, But since then, I've really earned my keys.

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<v Speaker 1>I really have.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the second I got success through Instagram, I booked

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<v Speaker 4>a show to get on stage. I've always wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>get offline always and earn my keep. I think being

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<v Speaker 4>in this industry talking before about acting, everyone is an

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<v Speaker 4>entertainer now, and I don't subscribe to that. I want

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<v Speaker 4>to earn my keep. I want to earn people's time.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to earn people's money. I want to not

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<v Speaker 4>just be like, Ah, I'm that girl that you follow

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<v Speaker 4>and I can do whatever I want and you'll love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to earn what I do. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>i've kind of I'd like to think I've proved myself

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<v Speaker 4>in that sense, but when it comes to how I look,

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<v Speaker 4>people always want to talk to me about it. And

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<v Speaker 4>I always think you're not talking to Gghidid about how

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<v Speaker 4>she looks, or Belahadid or Kendle Jenna or name all

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<v Speaker 4>the model right, yeah, because that's just what's expected. That's

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<v Speaker 4>expected how women look. That's a normal way for women

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<v Speaker 4>to look. That's what we are taught. That's part of

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<v Speaker 4>what I do to cut through people.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say people want to talk to you about

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<v Speaker 1>how you look, well, that is how brave I am.

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<v Speaker 4>That's brave, how you get your body out there, how

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<v Speaker 4>brave and look. Sometimes I will do a post and

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<v Speaker 4>look at it and be like, you got to buy

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<v Speaker 4>what you're selling here, mate, body positivity.

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<v Speaker 3>Just put it out and just gonna make people for good.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it you know, can be a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>tough pill to swallow.

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<v Speaker 4>But I you always hear about Lizzo. People talk to

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<v Speaker 4>Lizo about her body, or you talk to Ashley Graham

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<v Speaker 4>about her body. To me about our body.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't talk to.

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<v Speaker 4>Models or people who look the way that women are

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to look about their bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>So I always have a little bit of a thing

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<v Speaker 3>about it going on. It's not as though.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all I do. I do a plethora of other things.

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<v Speaker 2>And the body positivity thing is so interesting anyway, because Lizo,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, who was just so refreshing, so great. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so refreshing, and I remember, you know, going to see

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<v Speaker 2>a show in Melbourne just before lockdown and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just the most joyous thing. And in fact, she inspired

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<v Speaker 2>me to turn up at my one of my children's

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<v Speaker 2>birthday party in a green bikini.

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<v Speaker 1>Great birthday party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, No, until I saw the fighter, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't look at the just it wasn't but whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I just loved her.

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<v Speaker 2>But then now that o zimpics come along, what's happened

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<v Speaker 2>to body positivity?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, body negativity?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's kind of like I I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is just a superficial reading of it, that

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<v Speaker 2>we were all like, body positivity and however we're packaged

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<v Speaker 2>is beautiful and you know, this is us. And then

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as those people who kind of were like

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<v Speaker 2>our leaders into that uncharted territory, as soon as o

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<v Speaker 2>Zempic came along, they were like, but great, So yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think it happened before Ozempic came along. I think the

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<v Speaker 4>body positivity movement was like pushing shit up a hill

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<v Speaker 4>with a sharp stick.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure we can.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's say there's ten thousand women in the entertainment industry,

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<v Speaker 4>sixteen of us were celebrated for body positivity. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a hard thing to push. It was seen as a fad.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a hashtag like me too. They're like, great,

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<v Speaker 4>now Hardy Weinstein's gone, please.

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<v Speaker 3>Be client women it's annoying.

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<v Speaker 4>Or yeah, great, we've got Lizzo, We've got actually Gray

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<v Speaker 4>and that Celeste lady. She's also and now we've got

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<v Speaker 4>Melissa McCarthy, she's leads of films.

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<v Speaker 1>That's enough.

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<v Speaker 4>Girl, Stop go Away. It really feels like a fad.

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<v Speaker 4>And then no zemp it came along, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>everyone was like, oh, okay, cool, Well, I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to be one of those people that have to be

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<v Speaker 4>loud about being pushing my body out there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just easier.

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<v Speaker 4>If you fought, you will work more. If you are thinner,

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<v Speaker 4>you will work more in the industry. If you are thinner,

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<v Speaker 4>you just fucking will, even if you're funny devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well see that's a tricky one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Rolls aren't really written unless they're writing them, unless we're

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<v Speaker 4>riding the mouthsetell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, but there's.

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<v Speaker 4>Still a quota for that. There's a quota for we've

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<v Speaker 4>got enough funny ladies. We've done We've done that quote

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<v Speaker 4>and now let's get back into the rom coms and

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<v Speaker 4>the Sydney Sweeneys and the Kristen Bells and the gorgeous, young, thin,

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<v Speaker 4>gorgeous girls. So I just think it was a fad.

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<v Speaker 4>And now ozen Pic has come along, which I think

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<v Speaker 4>is great for some people zempic, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>we're back to the heroine chic idea. Yeah, people who

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<v Speaker 4>are already size for now a size zero.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>But not only that, it's kind of a it's like

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<v Speaker 2>what fashion does, do you know what I mean? They're

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<v Speaker 2>always shifting the parameters, so nothing that you do will

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<v Speaker 2>ever be good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like you've got I've got thick eyebrows. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always had thick eyebrows, thin eyebrows. Absolutely, you've got no ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what big ass is?

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<v Speaker 1>It? Going to be?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely actual body types and apes in and out of

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<v Speaker 2>fashion trends.

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<v Speaker 4>They're absolute trends, but just that idea of small little

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<v Speaker 4>women because they've got to be up against the Hollywood

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<v Speaker 4>men who are Tom Cruise and the little guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Little guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it really is seen as a fad, which is

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<v Speaker 4>really upsetting because people get sick of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a fashion banging on about.

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<v Speaker 2>It, any fashion people want to move on from. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Celeste Barber, you're just adorable of you, Kate, It's adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks selling I see you.

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<v Speaker 1>She took us for your tour. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Celeste has become many things to a lot of us.

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<v Speaker 2>She's kind of a mirror, she's kind of a truth mirror,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's also a guiding light in terms of finding

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<v Speaker 2>your own pathway and emerging from sometimes what feels like

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<v Speaker 2>the rubble of your own life, so that you can

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<v Speaker 2>plant a flag and claim your life for what you

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<v Speaker 2>want it to be. She shows us the absurdity, the beauty,

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<v Speaker 2>the mess of what it means to live in a body,

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<v Speaker 2>in a family, and she does all of that in

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<v Speaker 2>the public eye. Through all of it, she's the first

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<v Speaker 2>to admit that she's still finding her way, one little

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<v Speaker 2>win at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 2>human people. The executive producer of No Filter is Naima

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<v Speaker 2>Brown and the senior producer is Breplayer. Audio production is

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<v Speaker 2>by Jacob Brown and I am your host, Kate lane Brook.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for sharing this with us.

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<v Speaker 1>We love you.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're looking for more to listen to, Every Mumma

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<v Speaker 2>Mia podcast is curating your hot girl summer listening right

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<v Speaker 2>across our network. From pop culture to beauty to powerful interviews.

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<v Speaker 2>There is something for everyone, and you will find the

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<v Speaker 2>link in the show notes, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional

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<v Speaker 2>owners of the land and waters that this podcast is

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on.