Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Katelinebrook and welcome to No Filter. This summer,
Speaker 2: we've curated a special No Filter playlist which is unmissible
Speaker 2: conversations with the Australians, our people who make us laugh
Speaker 2: and think and feel seen.
Speaker 1: And if you've had just about enough.
Speaker 2: Of all the new Year, New me noise, this one's
Speaker 2: for you because it's old me. Ce Les Barber has
Speaker 2: built an empire on keeping it real. She's the antidote
Speaker 2: to perfection, the woman who took Instagram's glossy fantasy and
Speaker 2: turned it on its head. And in this conversation she
Speaker 2: opens up about ADHD, about marriage and fame, and her
Speaker 2: famous friends and the messy, hilarious business of being human.
Speaker 2: It's a brilliant reminder that you don't need to reinvent
Speaker 2: yourself for January.
Speaker 1: You just need to be yourself.
Speaker 3: I'm a lot to be with me is a lot.
Speaker 3: This is fun.
Speaker 4: Day in day out, I get darkness, I go high,
Speaker 4: I go low. Of all the things, ce Les Barber
Speaker 4: is one of the most recognizable and genuinely beloved faces
Speaker 4: in the country.
Speaker 1: She's a comedian, an actor, a writer.
Speaker 2: A producer, a global touring, sensation and depending who you ask,
Speaker 2: a feminist icon, a social media star, a mother, or
Speaker 2: simply the funny woman in big knickers pulling faces on Instagram.
Speaker 2: But behind all of that is someone who's spent years
Speaker 2: making sense of her own life, the chaos of her childhood,
Speaker 2: her ADHD diagnosis, the experience of being a wife and
Speaker 2: mum while the world watches, and what it means to
Speaker 2: be called real when you're living anything but an ordinary life.
Speaker 2: We talk about parenting, body image, social media fatigue, and
Speaker 2: how she's navigated life with a brain that works a
Speaker 2: little bit differently. Also how she's learnt to take a compliment.
Speaker 2: It wasn't easy and through it all she's hilarious as always.
Speaker 2: But more than that, she's honest. She's vulnerable and that
Speaker 2: thing we all love about her she's one hundred percent real.
Speaker 1: I know because I touched her.
Speaker 2: This is a conversation about success, identity, the beauty and
Speaker 2: chaos of life, and the woman behind the accidental empire
Speaker 2: here is Celeste Barber.
Speaker 4: Look will either have an amazing career when this comes out,
Speaker 4: I will both be out.
Speaker 1: Of rock canceled and what a rist what a sweet res.
Speaker 3: Same can someone cancel me so I can lie down time?
Speaker 1: I'm tired.
Speaker 2: Celeste Barber, Hi, welcome to No Filter. It's nice to
Speaker 2: be Yah, we've already started, have you. We have started,
Speaker 2: but I just thought I'll do an introduction, of course,
Speaker 2: because we will be like, who is she?
Speaker 1: I've never seen it?
Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly is that Ricky Lee? What's going on?
Speaker 4: You are?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: And then I mean, I've always loved Ricky Lee. Yes,
Speaker 4: the reason she got voted out of Australian Idol is
Speaker 4: because I was out of the country and you couldn't
Speaker 4: be I couldn't nineteen ten Ricky Lee. Yeah, the pipes
Speaker 4: on that girl.
Speaker 3: She's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, face to face met her a
Speaker 4: couple of months ago, I did her radio show and
Speaker 4: it was just like, oh my god, we do look
Speaker 4: the same. Photos of people are like, wow, what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 4: we look the same, which I take is a huge compliment.
Speaker 1: And how does she take it? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't ask to take every compliment.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm just going to pop my pills.
Speaker 2: Everyone else pop your pills, all right, and you know
Speaker 2: your pills are actually a conduit into a conversation about
Speaker 2: all of you. Really, because little Saliste tell me about
Speaker 2: Little Celeste.
Speaker 1: Oh, little Celeste, you're more than New South Wales.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I live on the border. Yeah, you're a tween. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm from Queensland.
Speaker 3: Outrageous.
Speaker 2: And so a big night for us was to go
Speaker 2: to the twin town Services Colas, absolutely on the border.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I grew up in a place called Terranora.
Speaker 4: Like a little little well, I was kind of a
Speaker 4: little bit more in the hills, but yeah, we're right near,
Speaker 4: right close to ten minutes to the beach.
Speaker 1: And so your mum cath your dad Neville, Yeah, and was.
Speaker 4: He a nifty nifty He's the ultimate nifty Neville.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And my sister Olivia, yeahs older sister. Yeah, just the
Speaker 4: four of us.
Speaker 2: And I like it too now that your sister older
Speaker 2: sister classic way kind of asserts herself now in the
Speaker 2: story of who we all know as Celese Barber. She's,
Speaker 2: like I said to her, absolutely, you should do the
Speaker 2: truth about these posts.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 3: She's also the funniest person in any room myself.
Speaker 4: Like she's so funny, and she's so brave and so loud,
Speaker 4: and like you're just in stitches when you're around her.
Speaker 3: She's funnier than I am.
Speaker 4: One hund and bring and so growing up you had
Speaker 4: this like You've got a beautiful family who understood you
Speaker 4: very well. Yeah, the best they could with someone who
Speaker 4: a kid who's you know, near a divert adhd all
Speaker 4: of that and loud and you know, I'm a nineties baby,
Speaker 4: well eighties baby, you know, greppling the night and we
Speaker 4: didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: I was just annoying. I was annoying and ostracized school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is so brutal, but I
Speaker 2: think it's not an uncommon experience for people who end
Speaker 2: up working in the creative arts in some capacity.
Speaker 1: That this like what was it the force of your
Speaker 1: personality or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the the force of my personality, the energy
Speaker 4: around me, the energy that I would put out, the
Speaker 4: ideas that were in.
Speaker 3: Me that I just I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 4: Ostracize me because as a fifteen year old, like everyone,
Speaker 4: every teenager is fighting for their lives.
Speaker 1: They are true.
Speaker 4: They I have a thirteen year old son at the moment,
Speaker 4: he's fighting for his life. It's a rough time. Will
Speaker 4: be neurodiverse, not and you.
Speaker 2: Know what they tend to do, I think is hence
Speaker 2: there's a uniform There's a uniformity to how you dress,
Speaker 2: there's a uniformity to like what you listen to and
Speaker 2: what you do.
Speaker 3: What your opinions are on everything.
Speaker 2: If you're not in step with the youth army, then
Speaker 2: it's like your bastard eyes like in the real army,
Speaker 2: and they pick off the week, which I think is
Speaker 2: kind of a way of stopping everyone else from looking
Speaker 2: at you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely look at her.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I mean about everyone fighting for
Speaker 4: their lives. Even the people who were a part of
Speaker 4: that army, they're still freaking Yeah, I don't know what's
Speaker 4: going on. And then yeah, you see a week link
Speaker 4: and you go, absolutely, let's focus over there so that
Speaker 4: spotlight isn't on me. I think that is definitely part
Speaker 4: of what happened. It's savage and what experience brutal and
Speaker 4: it's un necessary. I I know kids can be shit.
Speaker 4: You know, kids are brutal with each other, but the
Speaker 4: level of meanness, the level of like targeted attacks on
Speaker 4: kids who are different, is out of control. Like and
Speaker 4: I'm I'm really big advocate advocate for it. Now now
Speaker 4: that I'm older and my older son has ADHD and
Speaker 4: I see the struggles that he's going through as well, and.
Speaker 3: I'm onto the school all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, just.
Speaker 4: They hate they when my son started at school that
Speaker 4: of course see it now they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I liked the better when we could just follow you
Speaker 4: and you not come in and talk. But I'm like,
Speaker 4: there has to be a lot, Like if there is
Speaker 4: a kid sitting alone, you have to interject. You cannot
Speaker 4: have one teacher on a school field at lunch times
Speaker 4: when all of this stuff is going down and these
Speaker 4: little ones are getting picked.
Speaker 1: Off and not acting.
Speaker 4: Especially with social media, these kids are just on their
Speaker 4: phones and the toxic masculinity that's going on that doesn't
Speaker 4: get policed in any way. And it's like, oh, well
Speaker 4: it toughens them up. I just call absolute bullshit to that,
Speaker 4: Like we have to we have to interject earlier.
Speaker 2: But what were you at an all girls school, no
Speaker 2: co ed school? Yeah and so and that was pre
Speaker 2: social media data? DA, what form did it take that that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: How was it exercised against you there?
Speaker 4: It was very calculated. It was two girls in particular popular.
Speaker 1: Girls or school.
Speaker 4: They decided that I was ship and that no one
Speaker 4: was to talk to me.
Speaker 1: And did it happen like overnight?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got off the bus, right, I remember getting
Speaker 4: to school, got off the bus, went up, and no
Speaker 4: one was talking to me. And it's not as though,
Speaker 4: you know, you've been texting on We didn't have phones then,
Speaker 4: we had landlines, so these girls must have put effort
Speaker 4: into call around.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 4: And I remember talking to a girl who was my
Speaker 4: friend who got caught up in it.
Speaker 3: She then didn't really talk to me either.
Speaker 4: But you know, because she got caught up in it,
Speaker 4: and I just remember her just going, nah, it's and
Speaker 4: I remember exactly where I was and the feeling and
Speaker 4: everything just sunk. When I was crying, she had just
Speaker 4: gotten off her bus and I ran down.
Speaker 3: I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 4: And she was like, everyone ate a bitch, and I
Speaker 4: was like, and just that sinking feeling which you have
Speaker 4: anyway when you're a teenager, and then when you were
Speaker 4: a teenager that doesn't produce dopamine, so already goes I'm
Speaker 4: pretty shit, right, I'm shit that then you usually start
Speaker 4: your day like that and then the entire year goes Yep,
Speaker 4: you are. That was I'll never forget that feeling.
Speaker 1: And how did you make yourself go to school? Like?
Speaker 2: What was that process for you when you would wake
Speaker 2: up in the morning son's dopamine?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just think I'm a really, really resilient person. This
Speaker 4: is something I've learned about myself. And when I look
Speaker 4: back at little me, I'm like, you're really tough mate.
Speaker 3: You did like It's also the nineties. We all had
Speaker 3: to go to school.
Speaker 4: Remember those days, you know, it's like I think I
Speaker 4: have pneumonia, and my parents I was like, well just
Speaker 4: go and see how you go, and see how you go,
Speaker 4: and if by lunch you don't feel well, go to
Speaker 4: the sick bay will come. And you always just had
Speaker 4: you just had to go to school. It wasn't parents
Speaker 4: had to go to work. You had to go to school.
Speaker 4: And then I found drama. I found you know, the
Speaker 4: drama room and all.
Speaker 1: That, because you were already a dancer.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I danced, yeah, and then found drama and I
Speaker 4: just I just went in.
Speaker 3: I just went into me.
Speaker 4: So I got a lots I made sure, you know,
Speaker 4: you make sure a lot yourself, be quiet, be invisible,
Speaker 4: and then they'll leave you alone. But a byproduct of
Speaker 4: that was I went in and went, what do I
Speaker 4: What do I like? If no one else is going
Speaker 4: to hang with me and I'm just going to hang
Speaker 4: with myself, what do I like?
Speaker 3: So I start writing jokes.
Speaker 4: Or I go to the drama room, or start like
Speaker 4: quoting Friends in my I love the show Friends and
Speaker 4: playing the characters.
Speaker 1: Out in my head in Friends, by the way, Chandler, Yeah, just.
Speaker 4: Smart us, just the constant as at all of that.
Speaker 1: That's me. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just I remember just kind of going
Speaker 4: inward and getting on with it. But it's interesting whenever
Speaker 4: I think about it. Things, you know, we all go
Speaker 4: through in our lives, and I've had some big things happen,
Speaker 4: some tragedies and whatnot, as everyone has. But that's the
Speaker 4: one thing that sticks with me is that time of
Speaker 4: feeling so not just low and sad and ostracized, but
Speaker 4: the energy that went in to making sure I felt
Speaker 4: like that by an entire school year at school. And
Speaker 4: that's why with my my son, for example, I'm like,
Speaker 4: we aren't this is not a rite of passage, and
Speaker 4: I think it's sometimes well it did it got treat
Speaker 4: like that, Well, you just got a tough en up.
Speaker 3: You got to get through it.
Speaker 4: I mean, my parents did the best they could. My
Speaker 4: parents were always like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: How did they know? Your parents?
Speaker 4: I would tell you be okay, they would see so
Speaker 4: you come home come yeah, like everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I remember my mum asking one of the girls
Speaker 4: in a year who was still kind of talking to me.
Speaker 4: But it was hard for.
Speaker 1: Them as well.
Speaker 4: When you two girls tell you not to do something,
Speaker 4: you do it because then they'll if not, they'll be mad.
Speaker 4: And I remember my mum was saying to her quietly
Speaker 4: going what what did she do? Has she done something?
Speaker 4: What has she done? Like we can yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: and Louise go, no, you know this. Everyone just hates
Speaker 4: Sally alone. Good. Well, you know what I love that
Speaker 4: there's a redemption arc for you and your beautiful life
Speaker 4: and your beautiful family and your breadth of the understanding
Speaker 4: of humanity, which informs actually a lot of your work.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like people always say online comments, you
Speaker 2: can get a thousand compliments, but that one, you know,
Speaker 2: nasty comment is the barb that will strike home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I think if you've had that formative happening,
Speaker 2: it stays with you.
Speaker 4: It does, it stays with me, and it also is
Speaker 4: exacerbated sometimes in the way where I will look for
Speaker 4: that bad comment. Yeah right, you yeah, made me feel
Speaker 4: so much better about myself.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I knew it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew it. See that's them seeing the real me.
Speaker 4: It's weird, isn't it. I think, what is that need
Speaker 4: that we have? I know, Oh yeah, what is that need? Why?
Speaker 4: It's It's masochistic, isn't it. It's like, why am I
Speaker 4: trying to hurt myself in this moment? Why can't I
Speaker 4: just take the wins. I'm working very hard and very
Speaker 4: successfully on that, on celebrating the wins. I've been talking
Speaker 4: with my husband about it. Actually, I'm like, we need
Speaker 4: to lean in to the joy. We need to lean
Speaker 4: into because I just think, you know, especially with the
Speaker 4: world at the moment, you kind of wake up and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, what's the fox happen? Now?
Speaker 4: Like, I'm sure something's happened. It's like, so when there's
Speaker 4: a little wine, take it. I'm going to take those
Speaker 4: ten I'm going to take those forty thousand good comments,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to all the five bad ones.
Speaker 3: I remember Ellen Degenerous, remember her, I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: She took the winds, didn't she though?
Speaker 4: And everyone else's no, But I remember when people liked
Speaker 4: her and she was like, you have to read all
Speaker 4: the comments. You've got to take the good and the bad.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I actively choose not to do that because I give
Speaker 4: enough shit to myself. I've got enough going on in here.
Speaker 4: Who I keep myself really grounded. I keep myself on
Speaker 4: the right side of things, you know, I really hold
Speaker 4: myself accountable.
Speaker 3: I don't need strangers to.
Speaker 1: Do that as well.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I'm going to take the good. I'm
Speaker 4: going to take you all telling me I'm amazing. I'm
Speaker 4: going to eat that up.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, one of your wins was your mom.
Speaker 2: Your mum who went like, who recognized your neurodivergence then
Speaker 2: that you just weren't formulated the same because this was
Speaker 2: in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Like nobody, like everybody.
Speaker 2: I know who's ADHD or whatever has been diagnosed in
Speaker 2: like the last five years. Women as well, women and
Speaker 2: midlife A lot of midlife sort of stuff. But your
Speaker 2: mom took you to a doctor. Yeah, I didn't even
Speaker 2: know there was rittal in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh there was saved my life.
Speaker 4: My mom and my parents were at their wits end
Speaker 4: with me as well. They didn't know what to do that.
Speaker 4: We were looking to change schools because like we don't.
Speaker 1: It was a lot.
Speaker 4: I was a lot, and AHD in children and in
Speaker 4: girls in the nineties is a lot because it's just
Speaker 4: she is loud and annoying and attention seeking and can't listen,
Speaker 4: and it's it's there's nothing sexy about it.
Speaker 1: Nothing sexy about superpower.
Speaker 4: There's no Yeah, I envy those people who are like
Speaker 4: I find it superpower.
Speaker 1: I want that type. I hate it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we got to a point where my parents
Speaker 4: took me to a doctor and as soon as I
Speaker 4: walked in, he was like, you have it. You have
Speaker 4: got my dad, my dad who was watching a fly
Speaker 4: fly around the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah right.
Speaker 4: My mom was like, help me, please, help me, help
Speaker 4: me help.
Speaker 2: So two amazing things, your parents calling it and going
Speaker 2: I think this could take some medical intervention and a
Speaker 2: doctor then who was onto it, and in a girl
Speaker 2: because also I think the prevailing wisdom then was that's
Speaker 2: a kind of a boy thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just loudactive boys. And that was a time where
Speaker 4: we had family friends who were teachers, and they pulled
Speaker 4: my parents aside once and said, leave her with us
Speaker 4: for six months and we'll get it out of her.
Speaker 4: That's what they said.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at that point where your parents tempted.
Speaker 3: Just six months, can we let's just do it a
Speaker 3: whole year?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So from that, from then being prescribed ritalin So
Speaker 2: so you're sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, changed my life instantly.
Speaker 4: I went home that afternoon, I sat down and we
Speaker 4: had I think it was ADHD for Dummies or like
Speaker 4: a book or something was sitting there, and I sat
Speaker 4: down and I picked it up and I read a
Speaker 4: paragraph and my parents burst into tears, and I was like,
Speaker 4: what's wrong with you? And you've never ever done that,
Speaker 4: You've never done that, You've never read.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I was quintessential.
Speaker 4: Set all up a little study area in my room,
Speaker 4: had a photo Janet Jackson, their caster of friends.
Speaker 1: There, Chandler Chandler. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then I had my timetable of how I was
Speaker 4: going to study that night. I'm going to do maths
Speaker 4: for twenty minutes all stuck. I got all the cute
Speaker 4: pens and then went off. I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: I had no idea how to do it. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: then had written and everything changed.
Speaker 2: And so okay, here's the when things change? Did everything
Speaker 2: else then change? Did school change your relationship?
Speaker 1: School changed? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I will say pre diagnosis, and this is I guess
Speaker 4: one of the symptoms. I was obsessed with dancing, and
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with Janet Jackson, and I had been
Speaker 4: to her concert, and I learnt her concert and I
Speaker 4: would perform it. So that's the hyper focus of ADHD,
Speaker 4: where I would if I loved it, if I had
Speaker 4: an emotional response to it, I could do it forever
Speaker 4: and do it better than anyone. That's a superpower of ADHD.
Speaker 4: So I had that. I think when you're asking before
Speaker 4: about how did I get up and go to school?
Speaker 4: I knew that there were things that I loved outside
Speaker 4: of the bullshit, which is also very important for a
Speaker 4: kid to have another world outside. Absolutely, and I'm so
Speaker 4: full on about that with my children. I'm like, find
Speaker 4: what you love now. I would get busy. I'm big
Speaker 4: believer in get busy now, work now, find what you
Speaker 4: want to do now and enjoy it later, don't sit
Speaker 4: around and faff around.
Speaker 2: And also so that you're not really just on one world,
Speaker 2: so the school world, Yeah, so that you've got other
Speaker 2: places where if you're an outcast here or something happens
Speaker 2: or you get canceled or whatever, you had these other
Speaker 2: places plug Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I remember, like with dancing, for example, I'd say
Speaker 4: to my mom, I just want to go to a
Speaker 4: different school where Julie goes to my friends from dancing,
Speaker 4: and Mum was like, no, you're going to stay here.
Speaker 3: You're going to stay here.
Speaker 4: And I think that was the best thing she did
Speaker 4: because when school was shit, like we were just saying
Speaker 4: I had those I had that world to go to
Speaker 4: and if we combined it all, if it's all shit,
Speaker 4: then it's all shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I do that with my son. He's like, oh,
Speaker 4: do I want to go to school. I want to
Speaker 4: go where my footymates are. I'm like, but you have footy,
Speaker 4: you have different pockets because when one goes to crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got that. Yeah, I think that's really passport.
Speaker 4: You need a few personalities, different ways to let in.
Speaker 2: But then you're obviously very talented, because then after high
Speaker 2: school you went to study drama.
Speaker 3: Yeah fit and apean Yeah right.
Speaker 4: I think they were congratulations and we graduated and I
Speaker 4: got on the first plane out of there.
Speaker 1: I was and did you have to audition to get in?
Speaker 1: And what was your audition?
Speaker 3: I did Lady Macbeth.
Speaker 1: Oh did you hands near being out damn Spot?
Speaker 3: Oh really I know, I mean maybe.
Speaker 1: A good Lady Macbeth. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I talk about resilient. This is what I mean when
Speaker 4: I'm like, there's someone who doesn't have any confidence. It
Speaker 4: was always told by you know, external that you crap
Speaker 4: in you all this. I was like, I know what
Speaker 4: I'm doing. I cannot believe it's seventeen. I decided to
Speaker 4: get up and you out damp Spot. The Lady Macbeth
Speaker 4: monologue for my audition.
Speaker 1: Like the monologue in the World of Theater.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's like it's absurd. I don't think Dame Judy
Speaker 4: Dench things just quite nailed it yet. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: everyone sit down in this freezing studio in Pe in
Speaker 4: the middle of the day. I remember just standing up
Speaker 4: in bike pants and going and just like getting into
Speaker 4: it and then and the terry that.
Speaker 1: Our head of acting.
Speaker 4: When I got accepted and he goes, we just knew
Speaker 4: if someone has that confidence to get up and try
Speaker 4: that there's something to play with.
Speaker 1: The idea was that? Was it Terry's idea? No, it
Speaker 1: was my idea? Is your idea?
Speaker 4: I remember we studied Macbeth at school and I loved it.
Speaker 4: I was really really into it, really into it, and
Speaker 4: I just thought, yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker 2: That's not all of my conversation with the list. Coming
Speaker 2: up after the break, we talk about her landing the
Speaker 2: role of her dreams and how a friend's heavy handed,
Speaker 2: kind of brutal advice helped her find her niche in comedy.
Speaker 2: Obviously you were extremely talented. So because and there's no
Speaker 2: point in arguing, I don't even think you bother.
Speaker 1: Actually take that, this is what you're doing in your therapy.
Speaker 4: No, I'm trying to just take I'm trying to take that.
Speaker 2: Yes, obviously for you were, but obviously you were because
Speaker 2: you auditioned, you laid him bet your way into drama school.
Speaker 2: And then this is almost like a casual aside when
Speaker 2: I've heard you mention this before. Then you got a
Speaker 2: role on All Saints. Yeah, now that is an incredible achievement.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, I completely agree. I loved that show that
Speaker 4: I felt like I had when I got that job.
Speaker 4: I went, I have just won a foolat, I've won
Speaker 4: an Emmy, a Tone, a Grammy in oscar I.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 4: And the people on that show it's and that some
Speaker 4: of them are still my like then my family. I
Speaker 4: love that show so much. I loved working on it.
Speaker 4: I was on it for five years, first as a guest,
Speaker 4: then as a semi regular, and then I got contracted
Speaker 4: as a regular, and I was like, I am happy
Speaker 4: for this show and still to this day for this
Speaker 4: show to go until I am one hundred and seven
Speaker 4: and I die on it.
Speaker 2: I loved it being a patient instead.
Speaker 4: Of we're all my funeral on the show would I
Speaker 4: loved it. It was that was when TV was so
Speaker 4: good because it's different actors through each week, actors, actual
Speaker 4: actors coming through and you get to work with all that.
Speaker 4: I loved it so much, couldn't believe it was my
Speaker 4: first job.
Speaker 1: Couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing, And also from your cohort, I imagine were
Speaker 2: you one of the first ones who got regular giggle yeah.
Speaker 1: It took a bit.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, in hindsight, it's like it only took
Speaker 4: you four years.
Speaker 1: But when you're like, I've been doing this de Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For some actors, the realities that it may never happen.
Speaker 4: The most actors, especially now, for most actors, it doesn't
Speaker 4: happen there. I know most of my actor friends who
Speaker 4: aren't working are better actors than I will ever be
Speaker 4: or anyone will see. It's just it's just a shitty,
Speaker 4: shitty industry.
Speaker 1: And so and you made one of your dearest friends
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And a girlfriend of mine was a producer on that
Speaker 2: show from Marianne Carroll, Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and she
Speaker 2: loved you. She was like, that was a great there
Speaker 2: was just something special about you know, you're wrong, it's
Speaker 2: not that great.
Speaker 1: He's not very confident.
Speaker 3: That great.
Speaker 1: And then you then we lost him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lost him, and you lost him to his depression.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was that was And where was that in
Speaker 2: the in the trajectory of the show the show.
Speaker 4: It was toward the end. I believe that's why the
Speaker 4: show ended. I think when Mark died, the show went
Speaker 4: with it. They tried to then pivot. Yeah, and they
Speaker 4: for a couple of years. They did her quite kind
Speaker 4: of successfully, but the heart, it just wasn't the same.
Speaker 4: We were absolutely Davis suddenly killed us like it was
Speaker 4: just oh, it was horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was such a heart, the heart, soul, the smart ass.
Speaker 1: And a very dear to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the way that he had seen and saw
Speaker 2: something in you, something about the self effacing nature of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I still believe he's the reason I'm successful one undred
Speaker 4: percent because of what he said to me.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 4: He used to come to my place, we were worth
Speaker 4: living in Balmain in Sydney, and we just write sketches
Speaker 4: together and we just film them, like hold a little
Speaker 4: cam quarter up and he'd say his part and then
Speaker 4: I play and we just kill ourselves laughing.
Speaker 3: We always joke we don't need an audience.
Speaker 1: We are good. We're just laughing.
Speaker 4: And I remember we were sitting on set once, you know,
Speaker 4: long days sitting on set doing nothing and we're writing.
Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting because a lot of actors go
Speaker 2: mad on seat. That's why a lot of like mega
Speaker 2: Hollywood types are a little bit unhinged, I think because
Speaker 2: of the enormous Yeah, waiting.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, Heath Franklin, the comedian. He always I
Speaker 4: worked with him, and he's.
Speaker 3: Brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people would know him as Chopper
Speaker 2: as Chopper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, he's brilliant.
Speaker 4: One of the funniest, smartest minds I've ever worked with.
Speaker 4: He says about TV, he says, you pay me to
Speaker 4: sit around the acting I do for free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, waiting around. Yeah, but you were
Speaker 2: feeling your waiting around. Yeah, that's creativity.
Speaker 3: And that was thanks to Mark because he was like,
Speaker 3: he couldn't sit still.
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
Speaker 4: That energy is so great to have around and but
Speaker 4: he was great at channeling it. And I, you know,
Speaker 4: we were just channeling it and we were writing sketches
Speaker 4: and scenes and stuff and I said, oh, maybe this
Speaker 4: light and then oh no, no, Dory, and he went
Speaker 4: what I went, o, No, no, don't worry and then
Speaker 4: he just he pulled the paper out of my hand.
Speaker 4: He went, stop it. And I was like, I was
Speaker 4: my twenties. What he goes that is very boring to me?
Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: He goes you not knowing how fucking funny you are
Speaker 4: is very boring to me. It's not fun. It's not
Speaker 4: he goes, No, one's gonna can't be like, come on,
Speaker 4: you just have to stop it. It's like and he
Speaker 4: said to me, you are the funniest person I've ever
Speaker 4: known in life. Also in your work that's just boring,
Speaker 4: so just don't And I stopped right there, and then
Speaker 4: I stopped. I remember leaning into the comedy more on
Speaker 4: All Saints and my role getting bigger and me really going.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to find my niche here.
Speaker 4: I'm good at this because I always found funny easy. Yes,
Speaker 4: but with acting, I thought, no, you need to emot,
Speaker 4: you need to lead him macbethyr Wasyt through your head
Speaker 4: free role, or you're not actually not earning you know
Speaker 4: your craft. Because I thought funny it was easy and
Speaker 4: he's like, that's not easy, but you not knowing it
Speaker 4: is boring and I went, yeah, enough gift and it changed.
Speaker 3: It absolutely changed for me.
Speaker 2: It's interesting the friends in life who love you enough
Speaker 2: to have that conversation with you. Absolutely this is not working.
Speaker 2: People that really love you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loved me and I loved him where he
Speaker 4: was one of my dearest friends. And also I was
Speaker 4: such a fan of his Mark Priestley is one of
Speaker 4: the greatest actors we've ever had, and beautiful gods, so handsome,
Speaker 4: those eyes. He's such a good actor. We're all just
Speaker 4: kind of watch him. He you know, he was so great.
Speaker 4: For him to say that to me, it's like, oh
Speaker 4: my god.
Speaker 1: So at this point, have you met Arpi hot husband? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to track in my head. Yeah you must
Speaker 1: have woah.
Speaker 3: Mate, Yes, yes he had. Yeah, I meet him when
Speaker 3: I was twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, and this I also find.
Speaker 2: Extraordinary. At twenty one, when you met Arpi he had
Speaker 2: two little girls, a two year.
Speaker 1: Old and a four year old.
Speaker 2: A four year Yeah, and so was that not a
Speaker 2: wrong way turnback signed to you?
Speaker 1: Oh? I didn't care.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I was twenty one and he walked into that bar
Speaker 4: and I went, I'm done, lock it down. Wow, And and
Speaker 4: he was the same, Yeah, well, I guess.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's done to actually, who knows.
Speaker 4: Twenty two years later, yeah, you know, did twenty one.
Speaker 4: Everything's romantic. I've got daughters. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: now beautiful, that's so beautiful. But the reality of shep
Speaker 4: but yeah, twenty one. At twenty one, with big hopes
Speaker 4: and big dreams. But my heart just exploded when I
Speaker 4: saw him, and I went, I can make it all work.
Speaker 3: I'll just make all of it work.
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. It's a lot. It's a lot anyone.
Speaker 2: But also you're, like you said, big dreams and whatever,
Speaker 2: so you're also running your own race and trying to
Speaker 2: forge a creative life.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think because I was on All Saints though,
Speaker 4: and in my mind it was going to be on forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying I'm dune. Yeah show. It was
Speaker 1: all very like a job. It was lovely, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you had the stability.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't need to be creating work or do
Speaker 4: all looking for work or trying to find it. You know.
Speaker 4: It was my first job, and so you think it's
Speaker 4: going to last forever. I remember when I got to
Speaker 4: All Saints. You remember Chris Gabardi, the actor he was.
Speaker 3: On All Lovely c.
Speaker 1: I must have.
Speaker 4: Had that in my eyes, like, guys, this is a
Speaker 4: family now forever, this is what we do forever. And
Speaker 4: I got there and Chris was like, yeah, it's really
Speaker 4: and he'd been on the show for years and he
Speaker 4: was like, great to have you on. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm so excited. He goes, Yeah, save you money, he
Speaker 4: said to me. I was like, save you money, Yeah,
Speaker 4: save you money.
Speaker 1: You Yeah.
Speaker 3: Always been good at doing yeah, always always been.
Speaker 2: And what was he's doing at that time was he's
Speaker 2: anest Yeah, so tree surgeon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tree surgeon and yes, very much, very nature man
Speaker 4: and also living on the mid North Coast six hours
Speaker 4: away in Scott's Head. So I was in Sydney and
Speaker 4: you were long distance, long distance for eighteen months. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then the situation changed with his girls, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: and he came down to me and we moved in together.
Speaker 1: Oh. And then he had to go back up yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, and then you went back up with him, and
Speaker 4: then I went back up for a while and then
Speaker 4: went on no, yeah, absolutely not, and then came back
Speaker 4: to Sydney.
Speaker 3: We went back to Sydney.
Speaker 4: And then when I'm going to go to America and
Speaker 4: up in night took time off.
Speaker 2: Oh So was this after all Saints had Finnish?
Speaker 4: Yes, And I was like, I need to make things happen.
Speaker 4: I want to be working, I want to be doing things.
Speaker 4: I want to try have a go in America. You
Speaker 4: and I had done and you don't understand my wants
Speaker 4: and my needs.
Speaker 1: I was leading Macbeth. Goddamn it, how dare you? And
Speaker 1: then he had.
Speaker 4: The girls, and you know, it was worlds were kind
Speaker 4: of going like that, and I said.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to America.
Speaker 1: He went fine. I went to America and went I'm pregnant.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, best thing. Oh And then came back.
Speaker 1: So this is with your eldest Lulu. Yeah, holy molly.
Speaker 1: How far into America did you find out you were
Speaker 1: pregnant at the end of it?
Speaker 4: And where were you in La driving down to Malibu
Speaker 4: with my friend and her convertible and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: my goodness.
Speaker 3: My period in a while, and she was like, you're pregnant.
Speaker 1: I was like, how dare you?
Speaker 3: I have company? And then came back and went.
Speaker 1: Oh, wow, I'm bad. Actually I about it when I
Speaker 1: got back. Oh, holy Molly. And how old are you then?
Speaker 4: So I was twenty nine when not overly young, but
Speaker 4: in the scheme of week, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's a geriatric pregnancy.
Speaker 1: Probably they call everything over.
Speaker 4: Sixteen pregnant just because they liked big women are yeah,
Speaker 4: and so ARPI was the father. Yes, Well they never know,
Speaker 4: do they.
Speaker 1: Well, well, so my son was like and when you
Speaker 1: look at the boys, told they.
Speaker 4: Dad, it's unbelieved, especially Lou, our oldest. It's yeah right,
Speaker 4: it's creat And we named Lou afterpy Arpy was here.
Speaker 4: Lou was Arpi's nickname with his family. It still is
Speaker 4: because when he was little he lived in Papua New
Speaker 4: Guinea for a while and he used to walk around
Speaker 4: a little nappy eighteen months old singing to Sir with Love.
Speaker 4: That was his favorite because his dad always played it.
Speaker 4: And the singer of that song is called Lulu, so
Speaker 4: they Lu. Even now when we get invited to like weddings,
Speaker 4: it'll be Celestia Lou.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What what sort of name is Rpi? By the way,
Speaker 1: it's mari nameh yeah. Oh and he fell in love
Speaker 1: with a Pakia Yeah it's yeah, I love.
Speaker 3: I would move to New Zealand like that. I want
Speaker 3: to relocate over there.
Speaker 1: Really, are you on the run from something? So less?
Speaker 1: But they're all following me? Well, speaking of following, oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so the.
Speaker 4: Next that was your first rocketd but is it?
Speaker 2: But so then you had this lull, so you had baby,
Speaker 2: I imagine, just like such a shift even you know,
Speaker 2: you'd had that, you'd had the girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very different, very different, very different.
Speaker 4: And then had Lou on the mid North Coast and
Speaker 4: then yeah, no, work, had a new baby. I was
Speaker 4: teaching acting and dancing at the local public school for
Speaker 4: five dollars just to do something like I have to
Speaker 4: it's in me. I can't just sit. And then we
Speaker 4: moved to the Central Coast and I had my second
Speaker 4: boy buddy, and then Instagram came about and I was like.
Speaker 1: Yes, this could be something, this could be amazing.
Speaker 2: Early you were early only do you think that was
Speaker 2: because of the isolation or are you genuinely a person
Speaker 2: that's like drawn to something new.
Speaker 1: I think both.
Speaker 4: I think not necessarily drawn to something new. I mean
Speaker 4: I like shiny things, but I needed to do I
Speaker 4: wanted to do something. And I saw this new app
Speaker 4: and I was like, wow, this is a and.
Speaker 3: It was just it was a three pronged attack.
Speaker 4: For me, was a this is bullshit that's been put
Speaker 4: out right. It was all such perfection, absolutely perfection actually
Speaker 4: being sold as ever, like you know with glossy magazines,
Speaker 4: you knew that that was a glossy photo and that
Speaker 4: there was a photo shooting that and that's been photoshopped.
Speaker 4: It's a Tiffany's campaign and everyone's photoshopped, and that's what
Speaker 4: they're selling us with Instagram. I was like, this isn't
Speaker 4: you know to be like this is man, I'm just
Speaker 4: finished breastfeeding. That what looks like when you finish breastfeeding.
Speaker 4: That's not what it looks like at all. So I
Speaker 4: kind of wanted to cut through the bullshit of that.
Speaker 4: I just thought it was I was gonna say, maybe
Speaker 4: who did it?
Speaker 1: We were sending them?
Speaker 4: Was I was sending to Olivia, my sister, each other,
Speaker 4: and yes, what it looks like.
Speaker 1: I just write a challenge accepted.
Speaker 4: She's like, you know, just kind of bantering and I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to do some but I remember
Speaker 4: doing it and going, this is going to be good.
Speaker 4: I think people want to say this. I think people.
Speaker 1: And also it's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know funny. I know what's funny.
Speaker 1: So that was your first what was your first one?
Speaker 4: First one was a yoga pose off a website. Then
Speaker 4: they then put it on Insta. I later learned that
Speaker 4: the website was run by one of the girls who
Speaker 4: bullied me at school. I know, yeah, I don't fuck
Speaker 4: around when the woods come to Dunsane. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 4: I did it. I remember the caption was I'm starting something.
Speaker 4: That's all I wrote. And then stage less challenge accepted,
Speaker 4: and then yeah, that was kind of just The first
Speaker 4: one was just a silly yoga pos and I had
Speaker 4: Buddy who was then in a little walky in the
Speaker 4: background of just kind of showing what it's like to
Speaker 4: be at home trying to do yoga.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very SIMPLESO. You know what I love when the
Speaker 2: three it's of a story come together. Everyone loves a
Speaker 2: redemption arc which you're at the start of you don't
Speaker 2: even know at that point, but also that all the
Speaker 2: things that you've done until that point have are going
Speaker 2: to stand you in such good stead.
Speaker 1: You are a magnificent mover. Yeah, isn't that.
Speaker 4: Everything's in my body absolutely, that's just start here.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting in your parodying of these perfect posts
Speaker 2: or whatever, and that you are actually a brilliant mover. O.
Speaker 4: Thanks, That's what I find funny physical comedy. I love slapstick.
Speaker 4: I love so to be able to do that and
Speaker 4: morph my body in those ways.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is it looks clumsy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks clumsy.
Speaker 4: But I think my theory is I think it takes
Speaker 4: a coordinated person to be to look clumsy. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: because I'm coordinated and I know what I'm doing that
Speaker 4: I can, you know, sell.
Speaker 1: It as clumsy.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, whereas there's actually a great there's a great
Speaker 2: physical expertise to it.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, don't you think? Yeah it's not That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Thanks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Like I said.
Speaker 1: I know, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I know how to take something, flip it and make
Speaker 4: it funnier, make it, give it a different lens. And
Speaker 4: I know my physicality absolutely helped. And we're not with
Speaker 4: my stand up. I went around that stage like an
Speaker 4: idiot and sure I try, yeah always, sure, Well, because
Speaker 4: tom Ford said I need to.
Speaker 1: Play to my legs. Yeah, you got great leads.
Speaker 4: So I always legs and lashes in between the big
Speaker 4: old mess. But I got great fucking legs and great lashes, and.
Speaker 1: So tom Ford.
Speaker 2: The friendship came as a result of the parodies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and how when did they really start to gather momentum
Speaker 2: when you really went, oh this is there's been ignition.
Speaker 1: I did a post.
Speaker 4: It wasn't long after I had started. I did a
Speaker 4: post of Kim Ashan if you heard of her? Oh
Speaker 4: was that on the dirt pile? Is she Yeah, she's
Speaker 4: a lawyer and an actor, that's an activist and I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure she invented feminism. Yeah, yeah, she did it
Speaker 4: a photo they do.
Speaker 3: A pile, and I did it.
Speaker 4: I did a period of it, and then I think
Speaker 4: the ever credible Daily Mail got ahold of it and
Speaker 4: sent it out and I woke up to fifty thousand
Speaker 4: followers in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Which is a lot a losh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you got the affirmation of I mean you
Speaker 2: already had it from yourself.
Speaker 4: Oh, but then I got so so I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god. Remember we had friends over at the time,
Speaker 4: and I was like, everyone just popped fine seven photos
Speaker 4: I was doing and I just would back up because
Speaker 4: I also, I was saying before about the three pronged attack.
Speaker 4: I also knew that it was funny and that I
Speaker 4: wanted to work and that this was a good platform
Speaker 4: to show that I know I'm a comedian, Like, we
Speaker 4: don't have many comedy clubs here Sydney. Maybe something Melbourne
Speaker 4: down here, and you had but I had kids, and
Speaker 4: I'm not a stand up by trade, acted by trade.
Speaker 4: So I was like, this is good, this is smart.
Speaker 3: I know, I know this is going to be good.
Speaker 4: And then when it started to get traction and people
Speaker 4: started to see it, I was like, great, and I
Speaker 4: would Then I got busy.
Speaker 3: I would post two three.
Speaker 4: Times a day because absolutely, and it's always been the
Speaker 4: goal is to work. I've always just want I've just
Speaker 4: always wanted to work. And I thought this, and I
Speaker 4: remember sending it to people who had like followings, like
Speaker 4: friends of mine, carry it dire, one of my oldest mates.
Speaker 4: I was like, can you share this? I think this
Speaker 4: is kind of funny. Can you give me a shout out?
Speaker 4: Like just knowing, I wanted to just push it out.
Speaker 4: I wanted people to see it like I was because
Speaker 4: I knew. I knew it was making women laugh and
Speaker 4: not hate themselves as much fighting against everything that is
Speaker 4: pushed on us. And I also knew it was funny
Speaker 4: and I wanted producers and directors see it.
Speaker 1: A girlfriend of mine said to me.
Speaker 2: Years ago, actually she said, I hate Instagram. It makes
Speaker 2: me feel bad about my life, and I love my life,
Speaker 2: and so what you did was kind of reclaim. It
Speaker 2: was kind of Emperor's New Clothes in a way, wasn't it,
Speaker 2: Because it was like we when you've just fed a
Speaker 2: diet of something, you kind of think that's that's just
Speaker 2: the only meal that's available. And something about what you
Speaker 2: did reset things for women.
Speaker 1: And made us.
Speaker 2: Go, oh, actually, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's the you know, people have different opinions
Speaker 4: on the posts that I do or whatever, but the
Speaker 4: first thing that people do and what I want is
Speaker 4: for them to laugh, and then they can go she
Speaker 4: looks shit, whatever, she doesn't look bad enough, she looks
Speaker 4: to Yeah, it's the best thing I've seen in my life.
Speaker 4: But the first thing is love to be like huh yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's what.
Speaker 4: Because, like I said before about magazines, you can put
Speaker 4: them down, but when it's three in the morning and
Speaker 4: you're trying to breastfeed a baby that will not breastfeed,
Speaker 4: and you're on your phone and you're scrolling seeing all
Speaker 4: of this steak, it seeps again. Social media seeps in
Speaker 4: through our pores and we're mainlining it absolutely, and I
Speaker 4: wanted to cut that off. I wanted there to be
Speaker 4: a little break in that to try to make us
Speaker 4: not hate it.
Speaker 2: Okay, But so here's the thing, Because you obviously consume
Speaker 2: a lot of it because you're, you know, looking.
Speaker 1: For the next or the thing that resonates with you.
Speaker 2: How do you keep your own channel clear so that
Speaker 2: you don't become consumed by the very thing that you
Speaker 2: know that you're recognizing on behalf of others?
Speaker 1: Well, I delete the app.
Speaker 4: Oh, I take it off my phone for a few days,
Speaker 4: because I'm a victim. Of course.
Speaker 3: Actually now it never used to be.
Speaker 1: No, but it's more, isn't it. What is beast now?
Speaker 4: Like I still post on Instagram the same way I
Speaker 4: did ten years ago. Yeah, it's just not how. I
Speaker 4: have contacts in Instagram and they're like, Hi, can you
Speaker 4: try doing this? Or I'll go in and have meetings
Speaker 4: with them. They're like, these are your stats and if
Speaker 4: you wanted to maybe try doing this, you can. Then
Speaker 4: they always turn to me and go, well, just keep
Speaker 4: doing what you're doing because you have the highest engagement
Speaker 4: of anyone. And that's great because I just keep doing
Speaker 4: what I'm doing. But my god, I get caught up
Speaker 4: in it. I've had it last week. I deleted it
Speaker 4: for three days because I spiraled.
Speaker 1: I looked at it.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm not getting that acting job.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting that comparison kick in Paris. It's so brutal.
Speaker 4: It is such a brutal device. Like I said, that
Speaker 4: seeps in and the only way I can do it
Speaker 4: is to delete it.
Speaker 1: I have to take it off.
Speaker 4: I'm actually I just got an assistant and I'm starting
Speaker 4: to schedule.
Speaker 1: Where I go.
Speaker 4: I will go on I'll go on Instagram for an
Speaker 4: hour and I'll look for things. Then I'll get my
Speaker 4: assistant to pull them, and then the next day I'll
Speaker 4: shoot them and then we'll schedule posting three.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I even get my kids to say if i'm because
Speaker 4: I work on my phone, to ask me, Mom.
Speaker 1: Are you working?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, yes, you're not put my phone down.
Speaker 1: It's so addictas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it's designed to be, but you're right,
Speaker 2: something's happened in the last.
Speaker 1: Couple of years where it really is. It is a beast.
Speaker 4: It's all consuming when you've done that, So at this
Speaker 4: point you're underway.
Speaker 1: You've really got.
Speaker 2: Challenge accepted, momentum. Fuck, they're funny justa just Emrata, you
Speaker 2: could just have devoted yourself.
Speaker 1: I well, I was, I was, and then she blocked me.
Speaker 2: Well, I know so because the thing that I've loved
Speaker 2: is like with Cindy Crawford and you know, Chris Jenna
Speaker 2: or whatever, those who were smart enough to go this
Speaker 2: is actually funny. Yeah, funny, and I'm going to go
Speaker 2: along with it because this is great for everybody.
Speaker 1: But Mrata is not that.
Speaker 3: No, she doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: Did you have any communication know her? Never? No, not
Speaker 1: from her people, No, no, not at all. She talks
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: She has spoken about it, not to me, but podcast
Speaker 4: I guess like I am now, But no, there's been
Speaker 4: no communication.
Speaker 1: It is. It's not a shock to me that she's
Speaker 1: not led by humor.
Speaker 4: Yes, a bikini model doesn't like being made fun of
Speaker 4: by a middle aged woman. It's not it's not like
Speaker 4: breaking news. Consumers come out and humor. It's I think
Speaker 4: we're a particular woman who was used to walking down
Speaker 4: the street and the sea's parting for her. All of
Speaker 4: a sudden, someone goes, that's crazy that you're lying naked
Speaker 4: on the floor hugging your dog, and no one's I
Speaker 4: would try It's not lost to me that she's like, no,
Speaker 4: I don't like it, so I stopped doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a monster, No, I'm not a bully. No.
Speaker 4: I make fun of an industry that makes women hate themselves,
Speaker 4: takes billions of dollars of us hating ourselves. She doesn't
Speaker 4: like it, so I don't do it, which makes me sad.
Speaker 1: Make she's the.
Speaker 2: Greatest, greater she puts out, but also fair.
Speaker 1: I know that you're not allowed to.
Speaker 4: Usual friends as well, and some of them are like,
Speaker 4: hum well, so this is interesting. I haven't banging us son.
Speaker 1: But so the tom.
Speaker 2: Ford thing, that was an astounding thing, because fashion generally.
Speaker 1: Is not known for its humor.
Speaker 2: No, they're very po faced, and they kind of to me,
Speaker 2: it seems like they come from intimidation.
Speaker 4: And I'm hungry, hungry, sham shaming, yeah, hungry, but grateful
Speaker 4: those models shoes whatever. Yeah, And he tapped into that.
Speaker 4: He knew that that's.
Speaker 1: What we spoke about. And then how did he contact you?
Speaker 4: I've got an email from his right hand woman and
Speaker 4: the subject was Tom Ford loves Celeste Barber. I was
Speaker 4: sitting in a car park at Woolworth's at the entrance
Speaker 4: on the central host.
Speaker 1: Of course you were.
Speaker 4: And I just bought all of the you know, the
Speaker 4: red red spot discounted sales, chicken and a biscuit in
Speaker 4: the back of the car and I was like, what
Speaker 4: them what And it said I've printed the email habit
Speaker 4: from of course said he loves you, he wants he
Speaker 4: would love to work with you, if, if that would
Speaker 4: ever be a possibility. He thinks you're hilarious. And you
Speaker 4: know the sound an email makes when it comes in. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: I hadn't finished, and I'd responded and see seed every
Speaker 4: bit you bullied me in school. I was like, when
Speaker 4: where how, I'm ready, let's go. Yes, And then we
Speaker 4: were meant to work that year. He wanted me to
Speaker 4: go to blame me to Fashion Week, but his partner
Speaker 4: was unwell, so.
Speaker 1: It got postponed.
Speaker 4: So I was over there anyway, and I met with
Speaker 4: him in his office and it was just he got
Speaker 4: down on his knees and crawled across the floor to
Speaker 4: me and was like, oh my god, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, you're a queen.
Speaker 1: And I was like, get up, and he was like no.
Speaker 3: I bowed down.
Speaker 4: He was like, seriously, you're in a ten thousand old
Speaker 4: suit get up and it's just become a very lovely
Speaker 4: Oh it was, Oh it was Apart from me, it's
Speaker 4: too much. It's just the greatest creative experience of my money.
Speaker 1: You walked Fashion Week twenty.
Speaker 4: Well twenty nineteen. Then he flew me out and we collaborated.
Speaker 4: We did some insta together, some parodies. He had a
Speaker 4: whole little studio set up out the back where he
Speaker 4: was doing Fashion Week.
Speaker 3: And then I walked.
Speaker 1: I didn't walk in the show.
Speaker 4: I did the rehearsal at the beginning, and then I
Speaker 4: sat front row next to Russell Westbrook and Cardi B
Speaker 4: and Tom Hanks and oh my God and Anna Winter
Speaker 4: like stop it was too much. Watch the show by
Speaker 4: the world, Tom Hanks, Hang, it gets better. Can I
Speaker 4: tell you another story.
Speaker 1: About this please?
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the show, the end of.
Speaker 4: The catwalk, the doors opened up and the after party
Speaker 4: was out the back. And as the doors opened up,
Speaker 4: the video that we had just shot was on a
Speaker 4: massive screen that dropped down and everyone I'd see it
Speaker 4: so before that. I'm sitting there and I think people
Speaker 4: Cardi B particular, like, who's this bitch? People are getting
Speaker 4: shuffled down for me to sit in, and I was
Speaker 4: the one that ran in lake because I was filming
Speaker 4: with Tom Ford and I have a chance to get
Speaker 4: here in time. So I run in and sit down
Speaker 4: and they're like, who's this chick? And then that screen
Speaker 4: came up and I was like, I screamed.
Speaker 1: I was like like.
Speaker 4: Just no chill at all, like stood. I remember Elizabeth
Speaker 4: DEBICKI came up to me and she was like Elizabeth,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, like it was so nice. And then
Speaker 4: we went to that party and then there was like
Speaker 4: a little secret room where only fancy fancies it's like
Speaker 4: half the size of this studio went into and it
Speaker 4: was Tom Hanks and Tom Ford and Anna Wintour and
Speaker 4: I got brought in and tom Ford didn't know I
Speaker 4: was there, and how he was talking about me to
Speaker 4: Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 4: It's like she's an absolute genius, Like she has a
Speaker 4: comedy brain like I haven't seen, Like she's so hilarious.
Speaker 4: And I was like, hello, why did you interrupt that conversation?
Speaker 3: I know, well I tried it because a small room
Speaker 3: and I think I was.
Speaker 4: Like around the back, like how was how was Anna
Speaker 4: wind I didn't really talk to her.
Speaker 1: She kind of scary.
Speaker 3: No, I love Anna Win.
Speaker 4: She looks busy, she kind of and she I think
Speaker 4: she gave me a smile. Maybe she didn't, but let's
Speaker 4: pretend she did. But no, we didn't have any interaction.
Speaker 4: I don't think she hangs around. What she didn't hang
Speaker 4: around for that?
Speaker 1: She left.
Speaker 4: But then I was talking with Tom Hanks after and
Speaker 4: we were talking about having what the best way to
Speaker 4: have a cup of tea.
Speaker 1: That's what we're about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was lovely. He was going home to have
Speaker 3: a martini. I said, I'm going to go home.
Speaker 4: I was going home to have a martini at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back time.
Speaker 4: And I said, I'm going to go have a cup
Speaker 4: of teen. He went, oh, a cup of tea and
Speaker 4: I said, yeah. We talked about the best way to
Speaker 4: have a cup of tea. Milk for honey, Milk and honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, milk and honey. Yeah.
Speaker 2: After this short breather, we talk about how Celeste and
Speaker 2: hot husband Aarpi have made their marriage work through the
Speaker 2: highs and the lows don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: So you have now navigated I think, just such a
Speaker 1: change in terrain in your life. But many times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the way of looking at it.
Speaker 4: Arpie is always your surpa. Yeah, he's my king. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's my guy.
Speaker 1: And so how what's changed in that?
Speaker 2: Like, so you've gone from rags to riches and from
Speaker 2: you know, the isolation to the whole world. Like, what's
Speaker 2: changed or what's been the constant with you guys?
Speaker 4: The constant for us, and I know this sounds cliche
Speaker 4: or annoying, is love. We have such a desperate love
Speaker 4: for each other. Arpi and I, even when we tried
Speaker 4: to break up the elevety billion times that you try
Speaker 4: to break up over a time, twenty two year relationship,
Speaker 4: we just we cannot Like he I love him on
Speaker 4: a cellular level and I've never known anything like that,
Speaker 4: and it terrifies me and it infuriates me.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm like, let me be fright. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: a runner, you.
Speaker 4: Know, the fight or flight, I'm out And if something
Speaker 4: gets tricky, especially not coming into.
Speaker 3: Perimenopause, that's fine.
Speaker 1: And he is just.
Speaker 3: Isn't it though?
Speaker 4: But I seen out warning shots as well, like just
Speaker 4: see you know the JITs And he's like, oh great,
Speaker 4: But I think as well, we are growing together like
Speaker 4: that is something that I've noticed that we can't it
Speaker 4: can't just lock it off. And I think, you know,
Speaker 4: he's fifty two. I think he may have thought that
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 3: Just lock it off. I think a lot of men
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 4: They're like, great, well we've done this, We've got this marriage,
Speaker 4: and we've got the thing, and she's doing the stuff
Speaker 4: that she wants to do, and I'm pretty happy.
Speaker 1: We're redne it good? How good is that?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I need a little bit more so
Speaker 3: learning that.
Speaker 1: About how do each other?
Speaker 2: How do you I'm asking this from self interest, by
Speaker 2: the way, how do you get a partner who's got
Speaker 2: that that those beautiful like his strength is also his
Speaker 2: weakness sometimes like even absolutely that stability, that groundedness, that whatever.
Speaker 4: But there's also a rock don't move I have for well,
Speaker 4: this is obviously just for Arpi and I. But one
Speaker 4: thing that I'm really trying to do with him more
Speaker 4: and more is empower him more. I want him to
Speaker 4: know that no, and he does know that, but I
Speaker 4: work on that. That's something you know, I'm in therapy,
Speaker 4: were in couples therapy that I want it. I want
Speaker 4: him to know how valued he is that I could
Speaker 4: do this on my own.
Speaker 1: I have no interest in doing it on my own.
Speaker 4: I don't want to have the biggest house on the
Speaker 4: tallest hill and live on it alone. I want it
Speaker 4: to be with him. And how important it is is
Speaker 4: that he feels valued and nourished and loved and.
Speaker 1: The king that he is.
Speaker 3: I'm a lot to be with me is a lot.
Speaker 4: This is fun. You know I'll leave soon and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: that was fun.
Speaker 1: Day in day out.
Speaker 4: I get darkness, I go high, I go low, have
Speaker 4: all the things.
Speaker 1: And why does he love you?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You'd have to ask him.
Speaker 1: No, you must know.
Speaker 3: I think he really sees me. I do think he.
Speaker 4: Sees, you know, this little girl who's going to have
Speaker 4: a little cry now, or this little I think he
Speaker 4: loves my vulnerabilities. It's all of that quiet stuff about
Speaker 4: me that only he kind of gets, and a handful
Speaker 4: of obviously, you know my friends and my gaze they
Speaker 4: get that. But he's the one that just gets me.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what he loves about me. He
Speaker 4: also I think loves that I go, come on, we've
Speaker 4: got a big life. Let's lean in, ure saying before
Speaker 4: about celebrating the joy and leaning into the winds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we don't have to do any of this.
Speaker 4: We don't have to go to Europe for six weeks
Speaker 4: while I tour and we take our children.
Speaker 1: What a fucking life.
Speaker 4: But also are we going to be doing I could
Speaker 4: be the regional manager for Witchy at Pacific Fair.
Speaker 3: I'd love it. I love that job.
Speaker 1: But he don't love it too.
Speaker 4: Actually he would love it, but that's not who I am.
Speaker 4: But I really lean into what he wants to do
Speaker 4: as well, and that can be tricky with men. I
Speaker 4: find that it's like, well, what do you want to do?
Speaker 4: And he's like, okay, yeah, we need to figure that out. Honey,
Speaker 4: sitting on the couch all day, not that he sits
Speaker 4: on the couch every day, but just locking it off
Speaker 4: that is not That is not joyful for me, and
Speaker 4: it's not joyful for you.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I try and champion him as much as
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 2: When you who started therapy first, you started me first?
Speaker 1: How long ago did you start?
Speaker 4: On?
Speaker 1: And off? For years?
Speaker 4: I came off Ritland for a while after Mark died
Speaker 4: and went on andy depressants, and I mean I overlapped
Speaker 4: those and that was bad. So I went off written
Speaker 4: because also I was told when I was diagnosed with ADHD,
Speaker 4: you grow out of it, you don't have it.
Speaker 1: As an adult.
Speaker 3: Yeah, adult ADHD is different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that the doctor not that good?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Actually he was fine, he was lovely.
Speaker 4: It was later on that I think when I saw
Speaker 4: a psychologist later that were like, well, you probably come
Speaker 4: off Ritlan because it's not really a thing in adults.
Speaker 1: I was like, of it like the genes and how
Speaker 1: lovely and not the case.
Speaker 4: So I went on andy depressants for a bit and
Speaker 4: started seeing a psychologist and then I was on antidepressants
Speaker 4: for a really long time and I kind of had
Speaker 4: forgotten why, I mean Mark, and then I had other
Speaker 4: friends who died, which is very annoying. So I came
Speaker 4: off those and went back on to Ritland. And so
Speaker 4: I've been doing therapy on and but like anything with
Speaker 4: my brain will, I'll do therapy every week six weeks
Speaker 4: and I and it'll be great, and then I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk anymore.
Speaker 1: What I do on a Tuesday? Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And then when you said to RP, let's go together,
Speaker 2: let's do this together.
Speaker 3: He jumped it.
Speaker 4: He's fantastic, and he goes to therapy on his own
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 1: More than imagine those sessions.
Speaker 4: Well, the amount of times, the amount of times I've
Speaker 4: gone in.
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to his therapy and do you
Speaker 3: talk about me?
Speaker 4: Because I don't know what the etiquette is because I
Speaker 4: have a list of ship that I want him to
Speaker 4: talk about in therapy, but I'm not allowed to.
Speaker 1: He doesn't take your list.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't take my list.
Speaker 2: It's interesting though, I think in many ways they're more
Speaker 2: forgiving than we are. I think more forgiving of you know,
Speaker 2: the imperfections that so consume us. Yeah, sometimes they don't
Speaker 2: even see them.
Speaker 3: No, because sometimes are not as smart as us either.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, you know. I mean I've spoken
Speaker 4: with that many women. They're like, he doesn't do this.
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed.
Speaker 4: Our relationships bad. We haven't spoken for we haven't had
Speaker 4: sex in months.
Speaker 3: It's terrible. Then I speak to the husband. He's like,
Speaker 3: we're tracking really well, it's great.
Speaker 1: She doesn't annoy me.
Speaker 4: I don't need to going really well, Yeah, I know so.
Speaker 3: Many women who have left men and the men are Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had an idea, and everyone's like, oh, we saw
Speaker 4: that coming miles away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You have had every experience that I think it's possible
Speaker 2: to have in the in the public eye, other than
Speaker 2: attending your own funeral. But you've been you've been praised, celebrated, criticized,
Speaker 2: you've been too big, you're too hot to be comedic anymore.
Speaker 2: You're like everything, and sometimes it's all in the same week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you manage that roller coaster?
Speaker 4: I think I probably just write it. I think I
Speaker 4: just go through it. I take it for what it
Speaker 4: is and move on. I've learnt that you can't please everyone,
Speaker 4: so I ignore a lot of it. When it comes
Speaker 4: to how I look. I understand why people would say
Speaker 4: something because of the nature of what I do. Sure,
Speaker 4: so I'm you know, I'm not an idiot in that sense,
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I don't. It's not all
Speaker 4: I do. It's like putting my body out there is
Speaker 4: not all I do. Sure, maybe that's how people knew
Speaker 4: me early on, But since then, I've really earned my keys.
Speaker 1: I really have.
Speaker 4: Like the second I got success through Instagram, I booked
Speaker 4: a show to get on stage. I've always wanted to
Speaker 4: get offline always and earn my keep. I think being
Speaker 4: in this industry talking before about acting, everyone is an
Speaker 4: entertainer now, and I don't subscribe to that. I want
Speaker 4: to earn my keep. I want to earn people's time.
Speaker 4: I want to earn people's money. I want to not
Speaker 4: just be like, Ah, I'm that girl that you follow
Speaker 4: and I can do whatever I want and you'll love it.
Speaker 4: I want to earn what I do. So I think
Speaker 4: i've kind of I'd like to think I've proved myself
Speaker 4: in that sense, but when it comes to how I look,
Speaker 4: people always want to talk to me about it. And
Speaker 4: I always think you're not talking to Gghidid about how
Speaker 4: she looks, or Belahadid or Kendle Jenna or name all
Speaker 4: the model right, yeah, because that's just what's expected. That's
Speaker 4: expected how women look. That's a normal way for women
Speaker 4: to look. That's what we are taught. That's part of
Speaker 4: what I do to cut through people.
Speaker 1: When you say people want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: how you look, well, that is how brave I am.
Speaker 4: That's brave, how you get your body out there, how
Speaker 4: brave and look. Sometimes I will do a post and
Speaker 4: look at it and be like, you got to buy
Speaker 4: what you're selling here, mate, body positivity.
Speaker 3: Just put it out and just gonna make people for good.
Speaker 3: Do it you know, can be a bit of a
Speaker 3: tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 4: But I you always hear about Lizzo. People talk to
Speaker 4: Lizo about her body, or you talk to Ashley Graham
Speaker 4: about her body. To me about our body.
Speaker 3: We don't talk to.
Speaker 4: Models or people who look the way that women are
Speaker 4: supposed to look about their bodies.
Speaker 3: So I always have a little bit of a thing
Speaker 3: about it going on. It's not as though.
Speaker 4: That's all I do. I do a plethora of other things.
Speaker 2: And the body positivity thing is so interesting anyway, because Lizo,
Speaker 2: for example, who was just so refreshing, so great. I'm
Speaker 2: so refreshing, and I remember, you know, going to see
Speaker 2: a show in Melbourne just before lockdown and it was
Speaker 2: just the most joyous thing. And in fact, she inspired
Speaker 2: me to turn up at my one of my children's
Speaker 2: birthday party in a green bikini.
Speaker 1: Great birthday party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, No, until I saw the fighter, I
Speaker 2: don't look at the just it wasn't but whatever.
Speaker 1: I just loved her.
Speaker 2: But then now that o zimpics come along, what's happened
Speaker 2: to body positivity?
Speaker 3: Well, body negativity?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of like I I feel like,
Speaker 2: and this is just a superficial reading of it, that
Speaker 2: we were all like, body positivity and however we're packaged
Speaker 2: is beautiful and you know, this is us. And then
Speaker 2: as soon as those people who kind of were like
Speaker 2: our leaders into that uncharted territory, as soon as o
Speaker 2: Zempic came along, they were like, but great, So yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think it happened before Ozempic came along. I think the
Speaker 4: body positivity movement was like pushing shit up a hill
Speaker 4: with a sharp stick.
Speaker 3: Sure we can.
Speaker 4: Let's say there's ten thousand women in the entertainment industry,
Speaker 4: sixteen of us were celebrated for body positivity. It was
Speaker 4: a hard thing to push. It was seen as a fad.
Speaker 4: It was a hashtag like me too. They're like, great,
Speaker 4: now Hardy Weinstein's gone, please.
Speaker 3: Be client women it's annoying.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, great, we've got Lizzo, We've got actually Gray
Speaker 4: and that Celeste lady. She's also and now we've got
Speaker 4: Melissa McCarthy, she's leads of films.
Speaker 1: That's enough.
Speaker 4: Girl, Stop go Away. It really feels like a fad.
Speaker 4: And then no zemp it came along, and I think
Speaker 4: everyone was like, oh, okay, cool, Well, I don't want
Speaker 4: to be one of those people that have to be
Speaker 4: loud about being pushing my body out there.
Speaker 3: It's just easier.
Speaker 4: If you fought, you will work more. If you are thinner,
Speaker 4: you will work more in the industry. If you are thinner,
Speaker 4: you just fucking will, even if you're funny devastating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well see that's a tricky one. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Rolls aren't really written unless they're writing them, unless we're
Speaker 4: riding the mouthsetell.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, but there's.
Speaker 4: Still a quota for that. There's a quota for we've
Speaker 4: got enough funny ladies. We've done We've done that quote
Speaker 4: and now let's get back into the rom coms and
Speaker 4: the Sydney Sweeneys and the Kristen Bells and the gorgeous, young, thin,
Speaker 4: gorgeous girls. So I just think it was a fad.
Speaker 4: And now ozen Pic has come along, which I think
Speaker 4: is great for some people zempic, but I think it's
Speaker 4: we're back to the heroine chic idea. Yeah, people who
Speaker 4: are already size for now a size zero.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: It's so dangerous.
Speaker 1: It's so dangerous.
Speaker 2: But not only that, it's kind of a it's like
Speaker 2: what fashion does, do you know what I mean? They're
Speaker 2: always shifting the parameters, so nothing that you do will
Speaker 2: ever be good enough.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: So it's like you've got I've got thick eyebrows. I've
Speaker 2: always had thick eyebrows, thin eyebrows. Absolutely, you've got no ass.
Speaker 2: Guess what big ass is?
Speaker 1: It? Going to be?
Speaker 2: Absolutely actual body types and apes in and out of
Speaker 2: fashion trends.
Speaker 4: They're absolute trends, but just that idea of small little
Speaker 4: women because they've got to be up against the Hollywood
Speaker 4: men who are Tom Cruise and the little guys.
Speaker 1: Little guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is seen as a fad, which is
Speaker 4: really upsetting because people get sick of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a fashion banging on about.
Speaker 2: It, any fashion people want to move on from. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Celeste Barber, you're just adorable of you, Kate, It's adorable.
Speaker 2: Thanks selling I see you.
Speaker 1: She took us for your tour. Wow.
Speaker 2: Celeste has become many things to a lot of us.
Speaker 2: She's kind of a mirror, she's kind of a truth mirror,
Speaker 2: and she's also a guiding light in terms of finding
Speaker 2: your own pathway and emerging from sometimes what feels like
Speaker 2: the rubble of your own life, so that you can
Speaker 2: plant a flag and claim your life for what you
Speaker 2: want it to be. She shows us the absurdity, the beauty,
Speaker 2: the mess of what it means to live in a body,
Speaker 2: in a family, and she does all of that in
Speaker 2: the public eye. Through all of it, she's the first
Speaker 2: to admit that she's still finding her way, one little
Speaker 2: win at a time.
Speaker 1: Just like the rest of us.
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