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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Katelinebrook and welcome to No Filter. This summer,

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Speaker 2: we've curated a special No Filter playlist which is unmissible

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Speaker 2: conversations with the Australians, our people who make us laugh

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Speaker 2: and think and feel seen.

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Speaker 1: And if you've had just about enough.

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Speaker 2: Of all the new Year, New me noise, this one's

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Speaker 2: for you because it's old me. Ce Les Barber has

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Speaker 2: built an empire on keeping it real. She's the antidote

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Speaker 2: to perfection, the woman who took Instagram's glossy fantasy and

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Speaker 2: turned it on its head. And in this conversation she

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Speaker 2: opens up about ADHD, about marriage and fame, and her

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Speaker 2: famous friends and the messy, hilarious business of being human.

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Speaker 2: It's a brilliant reminder that you don't need to reinvent

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Speaker 2: yourself for January.

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Speaker 1: You just need to be yourself.

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Speaker 3: I'm a lot to be with me is a lot.

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Speaker 3: This is fun.

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Speaker 4: Day in day out, I get darkness, I go high,

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Speaker 4: I go low. Of all the things, ce Les Barber

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Speaker 4: is one of the most recognizable and genuinely beloved faces

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Speaker 4: in the country.

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Speaker 1: She's a comedian, an actor, a writer.

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Speaker 2: A producer, a global touring, sensation and depending who you ask,

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Speaker 2: a feminist icon, a social media star, a mother, or

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Speaker 2: simply the funny woman in big knickers pulling faces on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: But behind all of that is someone who's spent years

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Speaker 2: making sense of her own life, the chaos of her childhood,

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Speaker 2: her ADHD diagnosis, the experience of being a wife and

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Speaker 2: mum while the world watches, and what it means to

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Speaker 2: be called real when you're living anything but an ordinary life.

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Speaker 2: We talk about parenting, body image, social media fatigue, and

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Speaker 2: how she's navigated life with a brain that works a

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Speaker 2: little bit differently. Also how she's learnt to take a compliment.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't easy and through it all she's hilarious as always.

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Speaker 2: But more than that, she's honest. She's vulnerable and that

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Speaker 2: thing we all love about her she's one hundred percent real.

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Speaker 1: I know because I touched her.

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Speaker 2: This is a conversation about success, identity, the beauty and

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Speaker 2: chaos of life, and the woman behind the accidental empire

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Speaker 2: here is Celeste Barber.

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Speaker 4: Look will either have an amazing career when this comes out,

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Speaker 4: I will both be out.

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Speaker 1: Of rock canceled and what a rist what a sweet res.

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Speaker 3: Same can someone cancel me so I can lie down time?

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Speaker 1: I'm tired.

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Speaker 2: Celeste Barber, Hi, welcome to No Filter. It's nice to

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Speaker 2: be Yah, we've already started, have you. We have started,

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Speaker 2: but I just thought I'll do an introduction, of course,

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Speaker 2: because we will be like, who is she?

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it?

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Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly is that Ricky Lee? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: You are?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: And then I mean, I've always loved Ricky Lee. Yes,

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Speaker 4: the reason she got voted out of Australian Idol is

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Speaker 4: because I was out of the country and you couldn't

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Speaker 4: be I couldn't nineteen ten Ricky Lee. Yeah, the pipes

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Speaker 3: She's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: And then I'm like, face to face met her a

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Speaker 4: couple of months ago, I did her radio show and

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Speaker 4: it was just like, oh my god, we do look

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Speaker 4: the same. Photos of people are like, wow, what's going on? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we look the same, which I take is a huge compliment.

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Speaker 1: And how does she take it? I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask to take every compliment.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm just going to pop my pills.

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Speaker 2: Everyone else pop your pills, all right, and you know

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Speaker 2: your pills are actually a conduit into a conversation about

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Speaker 2: all of you. Really, because little Saliste tell me about

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Speaker 2: Little Celeste.

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Speaker 1: Oh, little Celeste, you're more than New South Wales.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I live on the border. Yeah, you're a tween. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I'm from Queensland.

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Speaker 3: Outrageous.

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Speaker 2: And so a big night for us was to go

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Speaker 2: to the twin town Services Colas, absolutely on the border.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I grew up in a place called Terranora.

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Speaker 4: Like a little little well, I was kind of a

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Speaker 4: little bit more in the hills, but yeah, we're right near,

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Speaker 1: And so your mum cath your dad Neville, Yeah, and was.

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Speaker 4: He a nifty nifty He's the ultimate nifty Neville.

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Speaker 4: And my sister Olivia, yeahs older sister. Yeah, just the

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Speaker 2: And I like it too now that your sister older

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Speaker 2: story of who we all know as Celese Barber. She's,

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Speaker 2: like I said to her, absolutely, you should do the

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Speaker 1: Definitely.

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Speaker 3: She's also the funniest person in any room myself.

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Speaker 4: Like she's so funny, and she's so brave and so loud,

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Speaker 4: and like you're just in stitches when you're around her.

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Speaker 3: She's funnier than I am.

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Speaker 4: One hund and bring and so growing up you had

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Speaker 4: this like You've got a beautiful family who understood you

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Speaker 4: very well. Yeah, the best they could with someone who

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Speaker 4: a kid who's you know, near a divert adhd all

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Speaker 4: of that and loud and you know, I'm a nineties baby,

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Speaker 4: didn't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: I was just annoying. I was annoying and ostracized school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is so brutal, but I

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Speaker 2: think it's not an uncommon experience for people who end

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Speaker 2: up working in the creative arts in some capacity.

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Speaker 1: That this like what was it the force of your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just the the force of my personality, the energy

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Speaker 3: Me that I just I didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 4: Ostracize me because as a fifteen year old, like everyone,

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Speaker 4: every teenager is fighting for their lives.

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Speaker 1: They are true.

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Speaker 4: They I have a thirteen year old son at the moment,

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Speaker 4: he's fighting for his life. It's a rough time. Will

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Speaker 4: be neurodiverse, not and you.

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Speaker 2: Know what they tend to do, I think is hence

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Speaker 2: there's a uniform There's a uniformity to how you dress,

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Speaker 3: What your opinions are on everything.

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Speaker 2: If you're not in step with the youth army, then

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Speaker 2: it's like your bastard eyes like in the real army,

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Speaker 2: and they pick off the week, which I think is

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Speaker 2: kind of a way of stopping everyone else from looking

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Speaker 1: Absolutely look at her.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I mean about everyone fighting for

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Speaker 4: of what happened. It's savage and what experience brutal and

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Speaker 4: it's un necessary. I I know kids can be shit.

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Speaker 4: You know, kids are brutal with each other, but the

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Speaker 4: level of meanness, the level of like targeted attacks on

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm really big advocate advocate for it. Now now

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Speaker 4: that I'm older and my older son has ADHD and

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Speaker 4: I see the struggles that he's going through as well, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm onto the school all the time.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, just.

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Speaker 4: They hate they when my son started at school that

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Speaker 4: of course see it now they're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: I liked the better when we could just follow you

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Speaker 4: there has to be a lot, Like if there is

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Speaker 4: a kid sitting alone, you have to interject. You cannot

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Speaker 4: have one teacher on a school field at lunch times

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Speaker 4: when all of this stuff is going down and these

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Speaker 4: Especially with social media, these kids are just on their

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Speaker 4: phones and the toxic masculinity that's going on that doesn't

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Speaker 4: it toughens them up. I just call absolute bullshit to that,

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Speaker 4: Like we have to we have to interject earlier.

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Speaker 2: But what were you at an all girls school, no

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Speaker 2: social media data? DA, what form did it take that that?

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Speaker 2: How was it exercised against you there?

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Speaker 4: It was very calculated. It was two girls in particular popular.

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Speaker 1: Girls or school.

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Speaker 4: They decided that I was ship and that no one

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Speaker 1: And did it happen like overnight?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got off the bus, right, I remember getting

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Speaker 4: And I remember talking to a girl who was my

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Speaker 4: But you know, because she got caught up in it,

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Speaker 4: everything just sunk. When I was crying, she had just

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Speaker 3: I was like, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: And she was like, everyone ate a bitch, and I

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Speaker 4: anyway when you're a teenager, and then when you were

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Speaker 4: a teenager that doesn't produce dopamine, so already goes I'm

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Speaker 4: pretty shit, right, I'm shit that then you usually start

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Speaker 4: your day like that and then the entire year goes Yep,

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Speaker 4: you are. That was I'll never forget that feeling.

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Speaker 1: And how did you make yourself go to school? Like?

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Speaker 2: What was that process for you when you would wake

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I just think I'm a really, really resilient person. This

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Speaker 4: is something I've learned about myself. And when I look

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Speaker 4: back at little me, I'm like, you're really tough mate.

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Speaker 3: You did like It's also the nineties. We all had

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Speaker 4: Remember those days, you know, it's like I think I

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Speaker 4: have pneumonia, and my parents I was like, well just

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Speaker 4: and if by lunch you don't feel well, go to

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Speaker 4: the sick bay will come. And you always just had

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Speaker 4: you just had to go to school. It wasn't parents

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Speaker 4: And then I found drama. I found you know, the

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Speaker 1: That, because you were already a dancer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I danced, yeah, and then found drama and I

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Speaker 3: I just went into me.

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Speaker 4: So I got a lots I made sure, you know,

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Speaker 4: go where my footymates are. I'm like, but you have footy,

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Speaker 4: You need a few personalities, different ways to let in.

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Speaker 4: I think they were congratulations and we graduated and I

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Speaker 1: And what was your audition?

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Speaker 3: I did Lady Macbeth.

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Speaker 1: Oh did you hands near being out damn Spot?

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Speaker 4: in bike pants and going and just like getting into

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00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,759
Speaker 4: it and then and the terry that.

447
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,719
Speaker 1: Our head of acting.

448
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 4: When I got accepted and he goes, we just knew

449
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,999
Speaker 4: if someone has that confidence to get up and try

450
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 4: that there's something to play with.

451
00:23:25,159 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: The idea was that? Was it Terry's idea? No, it

452
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: was my idea? Is your idea?

453
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 4: I remember we studied Macbeth at school and I loved it.

454
00:23:32,679 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 4: I was really really into it, really into it, and

455
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 4: I just thought, yeah, I'll do that.

456
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: That's not all of my conversation with the list. Coming

457
00:23:44,679 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 2: up after the break, we talk about her landing the

458
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: role of her dreams and how a friend's heavy handed,

459
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: kind of brutal advice helped her find her niche in comedy.

460
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: Obviously you were extremely talented. So because and there's no

461
00:24:10,399 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: point in arguing, I don't even think you bother.

462
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: Actually take that, this is what you're doing in your therapy.

463
00:24:18,679 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: No, I'm trying to just take I'm trying to take that.

464
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: Yes, obviously for you were, but obviously you were because

465
00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: you auditioned, you laid him bet your way into drama school.

466
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: And then this is almost like a casual aside when

467
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: I've heard you mention this before. Then you got a

468
00:24:36,679 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: role on All Saints. Yeah, now that is an incredible achievement.

469
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, I completely agree. I loved that show that

470
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 4: I felt like I had when I got that job.

471
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,519
Speaker 4: I went, I have just won a foolat, I've won

472
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 4: an Emmy, a Tone, a Grammy in oscar I.

473
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.

474
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,039
Speaker 4: And the people on that show it's and that some

475
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 4: of them are still my like then my family. I

476
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 4: love that show so much. I loved working on it.

477
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 4: I was on it for five years, first as a guest,

478
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: then as a semi regular, and then I got contracted

479
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 4: as a regular, and I was like, I am happy

480
00:25:17,639 --> 00:25:19,999
Speaker 4: for this show and still to this day for this

481
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: show to go until I am one hundred and seven

482
00:25:22,399 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 4: and I die on it.

483
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: I loved it being a patient instead.

484
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 4: Of we're all my funeral on the show would I

485
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 4: loved it. It was that was when TV was so

486
00:25:36,679 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: good because it's different actors through each week, actors, actual

487
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 4: actors coming through and you get to work with all that.

488
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 4: I loved it so much, couldn't believe it was my

489
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: first job.

490
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: Couldn't believe.

491
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,519
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing, And also from your cohort, I imagine were

492
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: you one of the first ones who got regular giggle yeah.

493
00:25:58,159 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: It took a bit.

494
00:25:59,159 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: Well, you know, in hindsight, it's like it only took

495
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 4: you four years.

496
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: But when you're like, I've been doing this de Yeah. Yeah.

497
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: For some actors, the realities that it may never happen.

498
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 4: The most actors, especially now, for most actors, it doesn't

499
00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 4: happen there. I know most of my actor friends who

500
00:26:18,399 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: aren't working are better actors than I will ever be

501
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: or anyone will see. It's just it's just a shitty,

502
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: shitty industry.

503
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: And so and you made one of your dearest friends

504
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah. Yeah.

505
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: And a girlfriend of mine was a producer on that

506
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: show from Marianne Carroll, Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and she

507
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: loved you. She was like, that was a great there

508
00:26:42,399 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: was just something special about you know, you're wrong, it's

509
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: not that great.

510
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: He's not very confident.

511
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: That great.

512
00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: And then you then we lost him.

513
00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lost him, and you lost him to his depression.

514
00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah that was that was And where was that in

515
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: the in the trajectory of the show the show.

516
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 4: It was toward the end. I believe that's why the

517
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: show ended. I think when Mark died, the show went

518
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: with it. They tried to then pivot. Yeah, and they

519
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: for a couple of years. They did her quite kind

520
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: of successfully, but the heart, it just wasn't the same.

521
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: We were absolutely Davis suddenly killed us like it was

522
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: just oh, it was horrible.

523
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

524
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 4: He was such a heart, the heart, soul, the smart ass.

525
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: And a very dear to you.

526
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the way that he had seen and saw

527
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: something in you, something about the self effacing nature of you.

528
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

529
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: I still believe he's the reason I'm successful one undred

530
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: percent because of what he said to me.

531
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: We were.

532
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: He used to come to my place, we were worth

533
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: living in Balmain in Sydney, and we just write sketches

534
00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 4: together and we just film them, like hold a little

535
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 4: cam quarter up and he'd say his part and then

536
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 4: I play and we just kill ourselves laughing.

537
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: We always joke we don't need an audience.

538
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: We are good. We're just laughing.

539
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: And I remember we were sitting on set once, you know,

540
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 4: long days sitting on set doing nothing and we're writing.

541
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting because a lot of actors go

542
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: mad on seat. That's why a lot of like mega

543
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: Hollywood types are a little bit unhinged, I think because

544
00:28:26,679 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: of the enormous Yeah, waiting.

545
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, Heath Franklin, the comedian. He always I

546
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: worked with him, and he's.

547
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: Brilliant, brilliant.

548
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people would know him as Chopper

549
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: as Chopper.

550
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, he's brilliant.

551
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: One of the funniest, smartest minds I've ever worked with.

552
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: He says about TV, he says, you pay me to

553
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: sit around the acting I do for free.

554
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, waiting around. Yeah, but you were

555
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: feeling your waiting around. Yeah, that's creativity.

556
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: And that was thanks to Mark because he was like,

557
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: he couldn't sit still.

558
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:00,999
Speaker 1: It was awesome.

559
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: That energy is so great to have around and but

560
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: he was great at channeling it. And I, you know,

561
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: we were just channeling it and we were writing sketches

562
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: and scenes and stuff and I said, oh, maybe this

563
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: light and then oh no, no, Dory, and he went

564
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 4: what I went, o, No, no, don't worry and then

565
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: he just he pulled the paper out of my hand.

566
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: He went, stop it. And I was like, I was

567
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 4: my twenties. What he goes that is very boring to me?

568
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:25,999
Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean?

569
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: He goes you not knowing how fucking funny you are

570
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 4: is very boring to me. It's not fun. It's not

571
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: he goes, No, one's gonna can't be like, come on,

572
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: you just have to stop it. It's like and he

573
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: said to me, you are the funniest person I've ever

574
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: known in life. Also in your work that's just boring,

575
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: so just don't And I stopped right there, and then

576
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: I stopped. I remember leaning into the comedy more on

577
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: All Saints and my role getting bigger and me really going.

578
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: And I'm going to find my niche here.

579
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: I'm good at this because I always found funny easy. Yes,

580
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: but with acting, I thought, no, you need to emot,

581
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: you need to lead him macbethyr Wasyt through your head

582
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: free role, or you're not actually not earning you know

583
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: your craft. Because I thought funny it was easy and

584
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: he's like, that's not easy, but you not knowing it

585
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: is boring and I went, yeah, enough gift and it changed.

586
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: It absolutely changed for me.

587
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: It's interesting the friends in life who love you enough

588
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,039
Speaker 2: to have that conversation with you. Absolutely this is not working.

589
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: People that really love you.

590
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loved me and I loved him where he

591
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: was one of my dearest friends. And also I was

592
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: such a fan of his Mark Priestley is one of

593
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 4: the greatest actors we've ever had, and beautiful gods, so handsome,

594
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: those eyes. He's such a good actor. We're all just

595
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: kind of watch him. He you know, he was so great.

596
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: For him to say that to me, it's like, oh

597
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: my god.

598
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:02,039
Speaker 1: So at this point, have you met Arpi hot husband? Yes, okay,

599
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to track in my head. Yeah you must

600
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: have woah.

601
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: Mate, Yes, yes he had. Yeah, I meet him when

602
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: I was twenty one.

603
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, and this I also find.

604
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Extraordinary. At twenty one, when you met Arpi he had

605
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: two little girls, a two year.

606
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: Old and a four year old.

607
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: A four year Yeah, and so was that not a

608
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: wrong way turnback signed to you?

609
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh? I didn't care.

610
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: I loved it.

611
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: I was twenty one and he walked into that bar

612
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: and I went, I'm done, lock it down. Wow, And and

613
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: he was the same, Yeah, well, I guess.

614
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Maybe he's done to actually, who knows.

615
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 4: Twenty two years later, yeah, you know, did twenty one.

616
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: Everything's romantic. I've got daughters. I was like, oh my god,

617
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: now beautiful, that's so beautiful. But the reality of shep

618
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 4: but yeah, twenty one. At twenty one, with big hopes

619
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,799
Speaker 4: and big dreams. But my heart just exploded when I

620
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: saw him, and I went, I can make it all work.

621
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: I'll just make all of it work.

622
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,519
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. It's a lot. It's a lot anyone.

623
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: But also you're, like you said, big dreams and whatever,

624
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: so you're also running your own race and trying to

625
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: forge a creative life.

626
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think because I was on All Saints though,

627
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,999
Speaker 4: and in my mind it was going to be on forever.

628
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying I'm dune. Yeah show. It was

629
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: all very like a job. It was lovely, Yeah, because

630
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,519
Speaker 1: you had the stability.

631
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't need to be creating work or do

632
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: all looking for work or trying to find it. You know.

633
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: It was my first job, and so you think it's

634
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: going to last forever. I remember when I got to

635
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: All Saints. You remember Chris Gabardi, the actor he was.

636
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: On All Lovely c.

637
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: I must have.

638
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: Had that in my eyes, like, guys, this is a

639
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: family now forever, this is what we do forever. And

640
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: I got there and Chris was like, yeah, it's really

641
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 4: and he'd been on the show for years and he

642
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: was like, great to have you on. I was like,

643
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: I'm so excited. He goes, Yeah, save you money, he

644
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: said to me. I was like, save you money, Yeah,

645
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: save you money.

646
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: You Yeah.

647
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: Always been good at doing yeah, always always been.

648
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 2: And what was he's doing at that time was he's

649
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: anest Yeah, so tree surgeon.

650
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, tree surgeon and yes, very much, very nature man

651
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: and also living on the mid North Coast six hours

652
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: away in Scott's Head. So I was in Sydney and

653
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: you were long distance, long distance for eighteen months. Yeah,

654
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: and then the situation changed with his girls, right, yeah,

655
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: and he came down to me and we moved in together.

656
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Oh. And then he had to go back up yeah.

657
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: Right, and then you went back up with him, and

658
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: then I went back up for a while and then

659
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: went on no, yeah, absolutely not, and then came back

660
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 4: to Sydney.

661
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: We went back to Sydney.

662
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: And then when I'm going to go to America and

663
00:34:13,799 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 4: up in night took time off.

664
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: Oh So was this after all Saints had Finnish?

665
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: Yes, And I was like, I need to make things happen.

666
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: I want to be working, I want to be doing things.

667
00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 4: I want to try have a go in America. You

668
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: and I had done and you don't understand my wants

669
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,039
Speaker 4: and my needs.

670
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: I was leading Macbeth. Goddamn it, how dare you? And

671
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: then he had.

672
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: The girls, and you know, it was worlds were kind

673
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: of going like that, and I said.

674
00:34:37,759 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to America.

675
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: He went fine. I went to America and went I'm pregnant.

676
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, best thing. Oh And then came back.

677
00:34:49,759 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: So this is with your eldest Lulu. Yeah, holy molly.

678
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: How far into America did you find out you were

679
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: pregnant at the end of it?

680
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: And where were you in La driving down to Malibu

681
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: with my friend and her convertible and I was like, oh,

682
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: my goodness.

683
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: My period in a while, and she was like, you're pregnant.

684
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: I was like, how dare you?

685
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: I have company? And then came back and went.

686
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh, wow, I'm bad. Actually I about it when I

687
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: got back. Oh, holy Molly. And how old are you then?

688
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 4: So I was twenty nine when not overly young, but

689
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 4: in the scheme of week, I.

690
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: Think that's a geriatric pregnancy.

691
00:35:28,799 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Probably they call everything over.

692
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: Sixteen pregnant just because they liked big women are yeah,

693
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: and so ARPI was the father. Yes, Well they never know,

694
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: do they.

695
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Well, well, so my son was like and when you

696
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: look at the boys, told they.

697
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: Dad, it's unbelieved, especially Lou, our oldest. It's yeah right,

698
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: it's creat And we named Lou afterpy Arpy was here.

699
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: Lou was Arpi's nickname with his family. It still is

700
00:36:03,759 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: because when he was little he lived in Papua New

701
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: Guinea for a while and he used to walk around

702
00:36:08,279 --> 00:36:10,999
Speaker 4: a little nappy eighteen months old singing to Sir with Love.

703
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: That was his favorite because his dad always played it.

704
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: And the singer of that song is called Lulu, so

705
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: they Lu. Even now when we get invited to like weddings,

706
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: it'll be Celestia Lou.

707
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. What what sort of name is Rpi? By the way,

708
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: it's mari nameh yeah. Oh and he fell in love

709
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: with a Pakia Yeah it's yeah, I love.

710
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: I would move to New Zealand like that. I want

711
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: to relocate over there.

712
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: Really, are you on the run from something? So less?

713
00:36:43,759 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: But they're all following me? Well, speaking of following, oh yeah, okay,

714
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: so the.

715
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: Next that was your first rocketd but is it?

716
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: But so then you had this lull, so you had baby,

717
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: I imagine, just like such a shift even you know,

718
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: you'd had that, you'd had the girls.

719
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very different, very different, very different.

720
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: And then had Lou on the mid North Coast and

721
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: then yeah, no, work, had a new baby. I was

722
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: teaching acting and dancing at the local public school for

723
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: five dollars just to do something like I have to

724
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: it's in me. I can't just sit. And then we

725
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: moved to the Central Coast and I had my second

726
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 4: boy buddy, and then Instagram came about and I was like.

727
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: Yes, this could be something, this could be amazing.

728
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: Early you were early only do you think that was

729
00:37:43,279 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 2: because of the isolation or are you genuinely a person

730
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: that's like drawn to something new.

731
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I think both.

732
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 4: I think not necessarily drawn to something new. I mean

733
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: I like shiny things, but I needed to do I

734
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 4: wanted to do something. And I saw this new app

735
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,519
Speaker 4: and I was like, wow, this is a and.

736
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: It was just it was a three pronged attack.

737
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: For me, was a this is bullshit that's been put

738
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: out right. It was all such perfection, absolutely perfection actually

739
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: being sold as ever, like you know with glossy magazines,

740
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 4: you knew that that was a glossy photo and that

741
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: there was a photo shooting that and that's been photoshopped.

742
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: It's a Tiffany's campaign and everyone's photoshopped, and that's what

743
00:38:25,799 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 4: they're selling us with Instagram. I was like, this isn't

744
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 4: you know to be like this is man, I'm just

745
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: finished breastfeeding. That what looks like when you finish breastfeeding.

746
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: That's not what it looks like at all. So I

747
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 4: kind of wanted to cut through the bullshit of that.

748
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,999
Speaker 4: I just thought it was I was gonna say, maybe

749
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: who did it?

750
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: We were sending them?

751
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: Was I was sending to Olivia, my sister, each other,

752
00:38:53,279 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: and yes, what it looks like.

753
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: I just write a challenge accepted.

754
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 4: She's like, you know, just kind of bantering and I

755
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to do some but I remember

756
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: doing it and going, this is going to be good.

757
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: I think people want to say this. I think people.

758
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: And also it's funny.

759
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know funny. I know what's funny.

760
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: So that was your first what was your first one?

761
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: First one was a yoga pose off a website. Then

762
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: they then put it on Insta. I later learned that

763
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: the website was run by one of the girls who

764
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: bullied me at school. I know, yeah, I don't fuck

765
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: around when the woods come to Dunsane. Yeah, yeah, and

766
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 4: I did it. I remember the caption was I'm starting something.

767
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: That's all I wrote. And then stage less challenge accepted,

768
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 4: and then yeah, that was kind of just The first

769
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: one was just a silly yoga pos and I had

770
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: Buddy who was then in a little walky in the

771
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: background of just kind of showing what it's like to

772
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 4: be at home trying to do yoga.

773
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, very SIMPLESO. You know what I love when the

774
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: three it's of a story come together. Everyone loves a

775
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: redemption arc which you're at the start of you don't

776
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: even know at that point, but also that all the

777
00:40:12,759 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: things that you've done until that point have are going

778
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: to stand you in such good stead.

779
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: You are a magnificent mover. Yeah, isn't that.

780
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: Everything's in my body absolutely, that's just start here.

781
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: It's really interesting in your parodying of these perfect posts

782
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: or whatever, and that you are actually a brilliant mover. O.

783
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: Thanks, That's what I find funny physical comedy. I love slapstick.

784
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: I love so to be able to do that and

785
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 4: morph my body in those ways.

786
00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason it works.

787
00:40:49,279 --> 00:40:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

788
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is it looks clumsy.

789
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks clumsy.

790
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: But I think my theory is I think it takes

791
00:40:56,759 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: a coordinated person to be to look clumsy. Yeah, right,

792
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: because I'm coordinated and I know what I'm doing that

793
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: I can, you know, sell.

794
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: It as clumsy.

795
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, whereas there's actually a great there's a great

796
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: physical expertise to it.

797
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, don't you think? Yeah it's not That's what

798
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Thanks.

799
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Like I said.

800
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I know, I know what I'm doing.

801
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 4: I know how to take something, flip it and make

802
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 4: it funnier, make it, give it a different lens. And

803
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: I know my physicality absolutely helped. And we're not with

804
00:41:28,279 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 4: my stand up. I went around that stage like an

805
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 4: idiot and sure I try, yeah always, sure, Well, because

806
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 4: tom Ford said I need to.

807
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Play to my legs. Yeah, you got great leads.

808
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: So I always legs and lashes in between the big

809
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: old mess. But I got great fucking legs and great lashes, and.

810
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: So tom Ford.

811
00:41:44,759 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: The friendship came as a result of the parodies. Yeah,

812
00:41:48,799 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: and how when did they really start to gather momentum

813
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: when you really went, oh this is there's been ignition.

814
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: I did a post.

815
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: It wasn't long after I had started. I did a

816
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 4: post of Kim Ashan if you heard of her? Oh

817
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 4: was that on the dirt pile? Is she Yeah, she's

818
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 4: a lawyer and an actor, that's an activist and I'm

819
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 4: pretty sure she invented feminism. Yeah, yeah, she did it

820
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: a photo they do.

821
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: A pile, and I did it.

822
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: I did a period of it, and then I think

823
00:42:26,279 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 4: the ever credible Daily Mail got ahold of it and

824
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 4: sent it out and I woke up to fifty thousand

825
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: followers in twenty fifteen.

826
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: Which is a lot a losh.

827
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you got the affirmation of I mean you

828
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: already had it from yourself.

829
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: Oh, but then I got so so I was like,

830
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: oh my god. Remember we had friends over at the time,

831
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 4: and I was like, everyone just popped fine seven photos

832
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: I was doing and I just would back up because

833
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: I also, I was saying before about the three pronged attack.

834
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: I also knew that it was funny and that I

835
00:42:57,759 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: wanted to work and that this was a good platform

836
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 4: to show that I know I'm a comedian, Like, we

837
00:43:02,799 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 4: don't have many comedy clubs here Sydney. Maybe something Melbourne

838
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: down here, and you had but I had kids, and

839
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm not a stand up by trade, acted by trade.

840
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 4: So I was like, this is good, this is smart.

841
00:43:15,279 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 3: I know, I know this is going to be good.

842
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: And then when it started to get traction and people

843
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,039
Speaker 4: started to see it, I was like, great, and I

844
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 4: would Then I got busy.

845
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: I would post two three.

846
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: Times a day because absolutely, and it's always been the

847
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: goal is to work. I've always just want I've just

848
00:43:31,799 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: always wanted to work. And I thought this, and I

849
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: remember sending it to people who had like followings, like

850
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: friends of mine, carry it dire, one of my oldest mates.

851
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: I was like, can you share this? I think this

852
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 4: is kind of funny. Can you give me a shout out?

853
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: Like just knowing, I wanted to just push it out.

854
00:43:47,279 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: I wanted people to see it like I was because

855
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 4: I knew. I knew it was making women laugh and

856
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 4: not hate themselves as much fighting against everything that is

857
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: pushed on us. And I also knew it was funny

858
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: and I wanted producers and directors see it.

859
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: A girlfriend of mine said to me.

860
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,999
Speaker 2: Years ago, actually she said, I hate Instagram. It makes

861
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: me feel bad about my life, and I love my life,

862
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: and so what you did was kind of reclaim. It

863
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: was kind of Emperor's New Clothes in a way, wasn't it,

864
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: Because it was like we when you've just fed a

865
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: diet of something, you kind of think that's that's just

866
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: the only meal that's available. And something about what you

867
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: did reset things for women.

868
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: And made us.

869
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: Go, oh, actually, that's ridiculous.

870
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's the you know, people have different opinions

871
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: on the posts that I do or whatever, but the

872
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 4: first thing that people do and what I want is

873
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: for them to laugh, and then they can go she

874
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: looks shit, whatever, she doesn't look bad enough, she looks

875
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 4: to Yeah, it's the best thing I've seen in my life.

876
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 4: But the first thing is love to be like huh yeah.

877
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: And that's what.

878
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: Because, like I said before about magazines, you can put

879
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 4: them down, but when it's three in the morning and

880
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: you're trying to breastfeed a baby that will not breastfeed,

881
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: and you're on your phone and you're scrolling seeing all

882
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 4: of this steak, it seeps again. Social media seeps in

883
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: through our pores and we're mainlining it absolutely, and I

884
00:45:19,799 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: wanted to cut that off. I wanted there to be

885
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: a little break in that to try to make us

886
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 4: not hate it.

887
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: Okay, But so here's the thing, Because you obviously consume

888
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 2: a lot of it because you're, you know, looking.

889
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: For the next or the thing that resonates with you.

890
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: How do you keep your own channel clear so that

891
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: you don't become consumed by the very thing that you

892
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: know that you're recognizing on behalf of others?

893
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, I delete the app.

894
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: Oh, I take it off my phone for a few days,

895
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 4: because I'm a victim. Of course.

896
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: Actually now it never used to be.

897
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: No, but it's more, isn't it. What is beast now?

898
00:46:05,799 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 4: Like I still post on Instagram the same way I

899
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 4: did ten years ago. Yeah, it's just not how. I

900
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: have contacts in Instagram and they're like, Hi, can you

901
00:46:15,279 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: try doing this? Or I'll go in and have meetings

902
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 4: with them. They're like, these are your stats and if

903
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: you wanted to maybe try doing this, you can. Then

904
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: they always turn to me and go, well, just keep

905
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: doing what you're doing because you have the highest engagement

906
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: of anyone. And that's great because I just keep doing

907
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 4: what I'm doing. But my god, I get caught up

908
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 4: in it. I've had it last week. I deleted it

909
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: for three days because I spiraled.

910
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: I looked at it.

911
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm not getting that acting job.

912
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 4: I'm not getting that comparison kick in Paris. It's so brutal.

913
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: It is such a brutal device. Like I said, that

914
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 4: seeps in and the only way I can do it

915
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: is to delete it.

916
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 1: I have to take it off.

917
00:46:53,759 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm actually I just got an assistant and I'm starting

918
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 4: to schedule.

919
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: Where I go.

920
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: I will go on I'll go on Instagram for an

921
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 4: hour and I'll look for things. Then I'll get my

922
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: assistant to pull them, and then the next day I'll

923
00:47:08,759 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 4: shoot them and then we'll schedule posting three.

924
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

925
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 4: I even get my kids to say if i'm because

926
00:47:15,799 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 4: I work on my phone, to ask me, Mom.

927
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: Are you working?

928
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

929
00:47:19,759 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, yes, you're not put my phone down.

930
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: It's so addictas.

931
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it's designed to be, but you're right,

932
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: something's happened in the last.

933
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: Couple of years where it really is. It is a beast.

934
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: It's all consuming when you've done that, So at this

935
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: point you're underway.

936
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: You've really got.

937
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: Challenge accepted, momentum. Fuck, they're funny justa just Emrata, you

938
00:47:46,759 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: could just have devoted yourself.

939
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: I well, I was, I was, and then she blocked me.

940
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: Well, I know so because the thing that I've loved

941
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: is like with Cindy Crawford and you know, Chris Jenna

942
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, those who were smart enough to go this

943
00:48:03,279 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: is actually funny. Yeah, funny, and I'm going to go

944
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 2: along with it because this is great for everybody.

945
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: But Mrata is not that.

946
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: No, she doesn't like it.

947
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: Did you have any communication know her? Never? No, not

948
00:48:18,799 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: from her people, No, no, not at all. She talks

949
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: about it.

950
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 4: She has spoken about it, not to me, but podcast

951
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 4: I guess like I am now, But no, there's been

952
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 4: no communication.

953
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: It is. It's not a shock to me that she's

954
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: not led by humor.

955
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: Yes, a bikini model doesn't like being made fun of

956
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 4: by a middle aged woman. It's not it's not like

957
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 4: breaking news. Consumers come out and humor. It's I think

958
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 4: we're a particular woman who was used to walking down

959
00:48:51,799 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: the street and the sea's parting for her. All of

960
00:48:54,759 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 4: a sudden, someone goes, that's crazy that you're lying naked

961
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: on the floor hugging your dog, and no one's I

962
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 4: would try It's not lost to me that she's like, no,

963
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: I don't like it, so I stopped doing it.

964
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm not a monster, No, I'm not a bully. No.

965
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: I make fun of an industry that makes women hate themselves,

966
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: takes billions of dollars of us hating ourselves. She doesn't

967
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: like it, so I don't do it, which makes me sad.

968
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: Make she's the.

969
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: Greatest, greater she puts out, but also fair.

970
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: I know that you're not allowed to.

971
00:49:31,759 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: Usual friends as well, and some of them are like,

972
00:49:35,799 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 4: hum well, so this is interesting. I haven't banging us son.

973
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: But so the tom.

974
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Ford thing, that was an astounding thing, because fashion generally.

975
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Is not known for its humor.

976
00:49:54,799 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: No, they're very po faced, and they kind of to me,

977
00:49:59,759 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: it seems like they come from intimidation.

978
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 4: And I'm hungry, hungry, sham shaming, yeah, hungry, but grateful

979
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 4: those models shoes whatever. Yeah, And he tapped into that.

980
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: He knew that that's.

981
00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: What we spoke about. And then how did he contact you?

982
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: I've got an email from his right hand woman and

983
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: the subject was Tom Ford loves Celeste Barber. I was

984
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 4: sitting in a car park at Woolworth's at the entrance

985
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: on the central host.

986
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: Of course you were.

987
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 4: And I just bought all of the you know, the

988
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 4: red red spot discounted sales, chicken and a biscuit in

989
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: the back of the car and I was like, what

990
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: them what And it said I've printed the email habit

991
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 4: from of course said he loves you, he wants he

992
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 4: would love to work with you, if, if that would

993
00:50:57,759 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 4: ever be a possibility. He thinks you're hilarious. And you

994
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 4: know the sound an email makes when it comes in. Yes, yes,

995
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 4: I hadn't finished, and I'd responded and see seed every

996
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 4: bit you bullied me in school. I was like, when

997
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: where how, I'm ready, let's go. Yes, And then we

998
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: were meant to work that year. He wanted me to

999
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: go to blame me to Fashion Week, but his partner

1000
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: was unwell, so.

1001
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: It got postponed.

1002
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: So I was over there anyway, and I met with

1003
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 4: him in his office and it was just he got

1004
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 4: down on his knees and crawled across the floor to

1005
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 4: me and was like, oh my god, oh.

1006
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: My god, you're a queen.

1007
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, get up, and he was like no.

1008
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: I bowed down.

1009
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 4: He was like, seriously, you're in a ten thousand old

1010
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 4: suit get up and it's just become a very lovely

1011
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 4: Oh it was, Oh it was Apart from me, it's

1012
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 4: too much. It's just the greatest creative experience of my money.

1013
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: You walked Fashion Week twenty.

1014
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 4: Well twenty nineteen. Then he flew me out and we collaborated.

1015
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 4: We did some insta together, some parodies. He had a

1016
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: whole little studio set up out the back where he

1017
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: was doing Fashion Week.

1018
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: And then I walked.

1019
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: I didn't walk in the show.

1020
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 4: I did the rehearsal at the beginning, and then I

1021
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 4: sat front row next to Russell Westbrook and Cardi B

1022
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 4: and Tom Hanks and oh my God and Anna Winter

1023
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: like stop it was too much. Watch the show by

1024
00:52:30,799 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: the world, Tom Hanks, Hang, it gets better. Can I

1025
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 4: tell you another story.

1026
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: About this please?

1027
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the show, the end of.

1028
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 4: The catwalk, the doors opened up and the after party

1029
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: was out the back. And as the doors opened up,

1030
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: the video that we had just shot was on a

1031
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: massive screen that dropped down and everyone I'd see it

1032
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: so before that. I'm sitting there and I think people

1033
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 4: Cardi B particular, like, who's this bitch? People are getting

1034
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 4: shuffled down for me to sit in, and I was

1035
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 4: the one that ran in lake because I was filming

1036
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 4: with Tom Ford and I have a chance to get

1037
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 4: here in time. So I run in and sit down

1038
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 4: and they're like, who's this chick? And then that screen

1039
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 4: came up and I was like, I screamed.

1040
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: I was like like.

1041
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: Just no chill at all, like stood. I remember Elizabeth

1042
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 4: DEBICKI came up to me and she was like Elizabeth,

1043
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, like it was so nice. And then

1044
00:53:24,759 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: we went to that party and then there was like

1045
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 4: a little secret room where only fancy fancies it's like

1046
00:53:31,799 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 4: half the size of this studio went into and it

1047
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 4: was Tom Hanks and Tom Ford and Anna Wintour and

1048
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: I got brought in and tom Ford didn't know I

1049
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 4: was there, and how he was talking about me to

1050
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: Tom Hanks.

1051
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna cry.

1052
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: It's like she's an absolute genius, Like she has a

1053
00:53:50,759 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 4: comedy brain like I haven't seen, Like she's so hilarious.

1054
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 4: And I was like, hello, why did you interrupt that conversation?

1055
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: I know, well I tried it because a small room

1056
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 3: and I think I was.

1057
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 4: Like around the back, like how was how was Anna

1058
00:54:04,279 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: wind I didn't really talk to her.

1059
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: She kind of scary.

1060
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: No, I love Anna Win.

1061
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: She looks busy, she kind of and she I think

1062
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: she gave me a smile. Maybe she didn't, but let's

1063
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: pretend she did. But no, we didn't have any interaction.

1064
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: I don't think she hangs around. What she didn't hang

1065
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 4: around for that?

1066
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: She left.

1067
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 4: But then I was talking with Tom Hanks after and

1068
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 4: we were talking about having what the best way to

1069
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,519
Speaker 4: have a cup of tea.

1070
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: That's what we're about.

1071
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was lovely. He was going home to have

1072
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 3: a martini. I said, I'm going to go home.

1073
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 4: I was going home to have a martini at home.

1074
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, back time.

1075
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 4: And I said, I'm going to go have a cup

1076
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 4: of teen. He went, oh, a cup of tea and

1077
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 4: I said, yeah. We talked about the best way to

1078
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 4: have a cup of tea. Milk for honey, Milk and honey.

1079
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, milk and honey. Yeah.

1080
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: After this short breather, we talk about how Celeste and

1081
00:54:56,799 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 2: hot husband Aarpi have made their marriage work through the

1082
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: highs and the lows don't go anywhere.

1083
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: So you have now navigated I think, just such a

1084
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: change in terrain in your life. But many times.

1085
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the way of looking at it.

1086
00:55:22,799 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: Arpie is always your surpa. Yeah, he's my king. Yeah, yeah,

1087
00:55:29,279 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 4: he's my guy.

1088
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: And so how what's changed in that?

1089
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: Like, so you've gone from rags to riches and from

1090
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, the isolation to the whole world. Like, what's

1091
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: changed or what's been the constant with you guys?

1092
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 4: The constant for us, and I know this sounds cliche

1093
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 4: or annoying, is love. We have such a desperate love

1094
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 4: for each other. Arpi and I, even when we tried

1095
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: to break up the elevety billion times that you try

1096
00:56:03,759 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: to break up over a time, twenty two year relationship,

1097
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 4: we just we cannot Like he I love him on

1098
00:56:11,759 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 4: a cellular level and I've never known anything like that,

1099
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 4: and it terrifies me and it infuriates me.

1100
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm like, let me be fright. You know, I'm

1101
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 3: a runner, you.

1102
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 4: Know, the fight or flight, I'm out And if something

1103
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 4: gets tricky, especially not coming into.

1104
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: Perimenopause, that's fine.

1105
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: And he is just.

1106
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: Isn't it though?

1107
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 4: But I seen out warning shots as well, like just

1108
00:56:36,279 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 4: see you know the JITs And he's like, oh great,

1109
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 4: But I think as well, we are growing together like

1110
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 4: that is something that I've noticed that we can't it

1111
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 4: can't just lock it off. And I think, you know,

1112
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: he's fifty two. I think he may have thought that

1113
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 4: you can.

1114
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 3: Just lock it off. I think a lot of men

1115
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 3: do that.

1116
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 4: They're like, great, well we've done this, We've got this marriage,

1117
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 4: and we've got the thing, and she's doing the stuff

1118
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 4: that she wants to do, and I'm pretty happy.

1119
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: We're redne it good? How good is that?

1120
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I need a little bit more so

1121
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 3: learning that.

1122
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: About how do each other?

1123
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: How do you I'm asking this from self interest, by

1124
00:57:13,759 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: the way, how do you get a partner who's got

1125
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: that that those beautiful like his strength is also his

1126
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: weakness sometimes like even absolutely that stability, that groundedness, that whatever.

1127
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 4: But there's also a rock don't move I have for well,

1128
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 4: this is obviously just for Arpi and I. But one

1129
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 4: thing that I'm really trying to do with him more

1130
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 4: and more is empower him more. I want him to

1131
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 4: know that no, and he does know that, but I

1132
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 4: work on that. That's something you know, I'm in therapy,

1133
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 4: were in couples therapy that I want it. I want

1134
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 4: him to know how valued he is that I could

1135
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:54,519
Speaker 4: do this on my own.

1136
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: I have no interest in doing it on my own.

1137
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to have the biggest house on the

1138
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: tallest hill and live on it alone. I want it

1139
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: to be with him. And how important it is is

1140
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 4: that he feels valued and nourished and loved and.

1141
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: The king that he is.

1142
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: I'm a lot to be with me is a lot.

1143
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: This is fun. You know I'll leave soon and you're like, oh,

1144
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 4: that was fun.

1145
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 1: Day in day out.

1146
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 4: I get darkness, I go high, I go low, have

1147
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 4: all the things.

1148
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: And why does he love you?

1149
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 4: Oh?

1150
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1151
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 3: You'd have to ask him.

1152
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: No, you must know.

1153
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: I think he really sees me. I do think he.

1154
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: Sees, you know, this little girl who's going to have

1155
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 4: a little cry now, or this little I think he

1156
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 4: loves my vulnerabilities. It's all of that quiet stuff about

1157
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: me that only he kind of gets, and a handful

1158
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 4: of obviously, you know my friends and my gaze they

1159
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 4: get that. But he's the one that just gets me.

1160
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 4: And I think that's what he loves about me. He

1161
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 4: also I think loves that I go, come on, we've

1162
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: got a big life. Let's lean in, ure saying before

1163
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 4: about celebrating the joy and leaning into the winds.

1164
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we don't have to do any of this.

1165
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 4: We don't have to go to Europe for six weeks

1166
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: while I tour and we take our children.

1167
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: What a fucking life.

1168
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 4: But also are we going to be doing I could

1169
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 4: be the regional manager for Witchy at Pacific Fair.

1170
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 3: I'd love it. I love that job.

1171
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: But he don't love it too.

1172
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: Actually he would love it, but that's not who I am.

1173
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: But I really lean into what he wants to do

1174
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: as well, and that can be tricky with men. I

1175
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 4: find that it's like, well, what do you want to do?

1176
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 4: And he's like, okay, yeah, we need to figure that out. Honey,

1177
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: sitting on the couch all day, not that he sits

1178
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: on the couch every day, but just locking it off

1179
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 4: that is not That is not joyful for me, and

1180
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: it's not joyful for you.

1181
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: I know that.

1182
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, I try and champion him as much as

1183
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: I can.

1184
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: When you who started therapy first, you started me first?

1185
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: How long ago did you start?

1186
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 4: On?

1187
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: And off? For years?

1188
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 4: I came off Ritland for a while after Mark died

1189
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 4: and went on andy depressants, and I mean I overlapped

1190
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 4: those and that was bad. So I went off written

1191
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 4: because also I was told when I was diagnosed with ADHD,

1192
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 4: you grow out of it, you don't have it.

1193
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: As an adult.

1194
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, adult ADHD is different.

1195
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that the doctor not that good?

1196
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 4: No?

1197
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: Actually he was fine, he was lovely.

1198
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: It was later on that I think when I saw

1199
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 4: a psychologist later that were like, well, you probably come

1200
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 4: off Ritlan because it's not really a thing in adults.

1201
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: I was like, of it like the genes and how

1202
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: lovely and not the case.

1203
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 4: So I went on andy depressants for a bit and

1204
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 4: started seeing a psychologist and then I was on antidepressants

1205
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: for a really long time and I kind of had

1206
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 4: forgotten why, I mean Mark, and then I had other

1207
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 4: friends who died, which is very annoying. So I came

1208
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 4: off those and went back on to Ritland. And so

1209
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 4: I've been doing therapy on and but like anything with

1210
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 4: my brain will, I'll do therapy every week six weeks

1211
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: and I and it'll be great, and then I'm like,

1212
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk anymore.

1213
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: What I do on a Tuesday? Yeah exactly.

1214
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: And then when you said to RP, let's go together,

1215
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: let's do this together.

1216
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: He jumped it.

1217
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 4: He's fantastic, and he goes to therapy on his own

1218
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 4: all the time.

1219
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: More than imagine those sessions.

1220
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 4: Well, the amount of times, the amount of times I've

1221
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 4: gone in.

1222
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to his therapy and do you

1223
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: talk about me?

1224
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: Because I don't know what the etiquette is because I

1225
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 4: have a list of ship that I want him to

1226
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 4: talk about in therapy, but I'm not allowed to.

1227
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't take your list.

1228
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't take my list.

1229
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: It's interesting though, I think in many ways they're more

1230
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: forgiving than we are. I think more forgiving of you know,

1231
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: the imperfections that so consume us. Yeah, sometimes they don't

1232
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 2: even see them.

1233
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: No, because sometimes are not as smart as us either.

1234
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1235
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, you know. I mean I've spoken

1236
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 4: with that many women. They're like, he doesn't do this.

1237
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed.

1238
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 4: Our relationships bad. We haven't spoken for we haven't had

1239
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:29,999
Speaker 4: sex in months.

1240
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 3: It's terrible. Then I speak to the husband. He's like,

1241
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,039
Speaker 3: we're tracking really well, it's great.

1242
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: She doesn't annoy me.

1243
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 4: I don't need to going really well, Yeah, I know so.

1244
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: Many women who have left men and the men are Yeah.

1245
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 4: I had an idea, and everyone's like, oh, we saw

1246
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 4: that coming miles away.

1247
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1248
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: You have had every experience that I think it's possible

1249
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: to have in the in the public eye, other than

1250
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: attending your own funeral. But you've been you've been praised, celebrated, criticized,

1251
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: you've been too big, you're too hot to be comedic anymore.

1252
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: You're like everything, and sometimes it's all in the same week.

1253
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you manage that roller coaster?

1254
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 4: I think I probably just write it. I think I

1255
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 4: just go through it. I take it for what it

1256
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:33,959
Speaker 4: is and move on. I've learnt that you can't please everyone,

1257
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: so I ignore a lot of it. When it comes

1258
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 4: to how I look. I understand why people would say

1259
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 4: something because of the nature of what I do. Sure,

1260
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 4: so I'm you know, I'm not an idiot in that sense,

1261
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I don't. It's not all

1262
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 4: I do. It's like putting my body out there is

1263
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,479
Speaker 4: not all I do. Sure, maybe that's how people knew

1264
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 4: me early on, But since then, I've really earned my keys.

1265
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: I really have.

1266
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 4: Like the second I got success through Instagram, I booked

1267
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 4: a show to get on stage. I've always wanted to

1268
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 4: get offline always and earn my keep. I think being

1269
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 4: in this industry talking before about acting, everyone is an

1270
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 4: entertainer now, and I don't subscribe to that. I want

1271
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 4: to earn my keep. I want to earn people's time.

1272
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 4: I want to earn people's money. I want to not

1273
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 4: just be like, Ah, I'm that girl that you follow

1274
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 4: and I can do whatever I want and you'll love it.

1275
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 4: I want to earn what I do. So I think

1276
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 4: i've kind of I'd like to think I've proved myself

1277
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 4: in that sense, but when it comes to how I look,

1278
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 4: people always want to talk to me about it. And

1279
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 4: I always think you're not talking to Gghidid about how

1280
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 4: she looks, or Belahadid or Kendle Jenna or name all

1281
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 4: the model right, yeah, because that's just what's expected. That's

1282
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,959
Speaker 4: expected how women look. That's a normal way for women

1283
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 4: to look. That's what we are taught. That's part of

1284
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 4: what I do to cut through people.

1285
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,039
Speaker 1: When you say people want to talk to you about

1286
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: how you look, well, that is how brave I am.

1287
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 4: That's brave, how you get your body out there, how

1288
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 4: brave and look. Sometimes I will do a post and

1289
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,479
Speaker 4: look at it and be like, you got to buy

1290
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 4: what you're selling here, mate, body positivity.

1291
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 3: Just put it out and just gonna make people for good.

1292
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: Do it you know, can be a bit of a

1293
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: tough pill to swallow.

1294
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 4: But I you always hear about Lizzo. People talk to

1295
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 4: Lizo about her body, or you talk to Ashley Graham

1296
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,999
Speaker 4: about her body. To me about our body.

1297
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: We don't talk to.

1298
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 4: Models or people who look the way that women are

1299
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 4: supposed to look about their bodies.

1300
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 3: So I always have a little bit of a thing

1301
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 3: about it going on. It's not as though.

1302
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: That's all I do. I do a plethora of other things.

1303
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: And the body positivity thing is so interesting anyway, because Lizo,

1304
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: for example, who was just so refreshing, so great. I'm

1305
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 2: so refreshing, and I remember, you know, going to see

1306
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: a show in Melbourne just before lockdown and it was

1307
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: just the most joyous thing. And in fact, she inspired

1308
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: me to turn up at my one of my children's

1309
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: birthday party in a green bikini.

1310
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: Great birthday party.

1311
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, No, until I saw the fighter, I

1312
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: don't look at the just it wasn't but whatever.

1313
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: I just loved her.

1314
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: But then now that o zimpics come along, what's happened

1315
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: to body positivity?

1316
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: Well, body negativity?

1317
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of like I I feel like,

1318
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: and this is just a superficial reading of it, that

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Speaker 2: we were all like, body positivity and however we're packaged

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Speaker 2: is beautiful and you know, this is us. And then

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Speaker 2: as soon as those people who kind of were like

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Speaker 2: our leaders into that uncharted territory, as soon as o

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Speaker 2: Zempic came along, they were like, but great, So yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it happened before Ozempic came along. I think the

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Speaker 4: body positivity movement was like pushing shit up a hill

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Speaker 4: with a sharp stick.

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Speaker 3: Sure we can.

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Speaker 4: Let's say there's ten thousand women in the entertainment industry,

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Speaker 4: sixteen of us were celebrated for body positivity. It was

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Speaker 4: a hard thing to push. It was seen as a fad.

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Speaker 4: It was a hashtag like me too. They're like, great,

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Speaker 4: now Hardy Weinstein's gone, please.

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Speaker 3: Be client women it's annoying.

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Speaker 4: Or yeah, great, we've got Lizzo, We've got actually Gray

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Speaker 4: and that Celeste lady. She's also and now we've got

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Speaker 4: Melissa McCarthy, she's leads of films.

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Speaker 1: That's enough.

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Speaker 4: Girl, Stop go Away. It really feels like a fad.

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Speaker 4: And then no zemp it came along, and I think

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Speaker 4: everyone was like, oh, okay, cool, Well, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to be one of those people that have to be

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Speaker 4: loud about being pushing my body out there.

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Speaker 3: It's just easier.

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Speaker 4: If you fought, you will work more. If you are thinner,

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Speaker 4: you will work more in the industry. If you are thinner,

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Speaker 4: you just fucking will, even if you're funny devastating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well see that's a tricky one. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Rolls aren't really written unless they're writing them, unless we're

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Speaker 4: riding the mouthsetell.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, but there's.

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Speaker 4: Still a quota for that. There's a quota for we've

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Speaker 4: got enough funny ladies. We've done We've done that quote

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Speaker 4: and now let's get back into the rom coms and

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Speaker 4: the Sydney Sweeneys and the Kristen Bells and the gorgeous, young, thin,

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Speaker 4: gorgeous girls. So I just think it was a fad.

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Speaker 4: And now ozen Pic has come along, which I think

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Speaker 4: is great for some people zempic, but I think it's

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Speaker 4: we're back to the heroine chic idea. Yeah, people who

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Speaker 4: are already size for now a size zero.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: It's so dangerous.

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Speaker 1: It's so dangerous.

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Speaker 2: But not only that, it's kind of a it's like

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Speaker 2: what fashion does, do you know what I mean? They're

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Speaker 2: always shifting the parameters, so nothing that you do will

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Speaker 2: ever be good enough.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: So it's like you've got I've got thick eyebrows. I've

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Speaker 2: always had thick eyebrows, thin eyebrows. Absolutely, you've got no ass.

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Speaker 2: Guess what big ass is?

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Speaker 1: It? Going to be?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely actual body types and apes in and out of

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Speaker 2: fashion trends.

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Speaker 4: They're absolute trends, but just that idea of small little

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Speaker 4: women because they've got to be up against the Hollywood

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Speaker 4: men who are Tom Cruise and the little guys.

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Speaker 1: Little guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is seen as a fad, which is

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Speaker 4: really upsetting because people get sick of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a fashion banging on about.

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Speaker 2: It, any fashion people want to move on from. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Celeste Barber, you're just adorable of you, Kate, It's adorable.

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Speaker 2: Thanks selling I see you.

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Speaker 1: She took us for your tour. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Celeste has become many things to a lot of us.

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Speaker 2: She's kind of a mirror, she's kind of a truth mirror,

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Speaker 2: and she's also a guiding light in terms of finding

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Speaker 2: your own pathway and emerging from sometimes what feels like

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Speaker 2: the rubble of your own life, so that you can

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Speaker 2: plant a flag and claim your life for what you

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Speaker 2: want it to be. She shows us the absurdity, the beauty,

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Speaker 2: the mess of what it means to live in a body,

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Speaker 2: in a family, and she does all of that in

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Speaker 2: the public eye. Through all of it, she's the first

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Speaker 2: to admit that she's still finding her way, one little

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Speaker 2: win at a time.

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Speaker 1: Just like the rest of us.

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