1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,414 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mea podcast. Mamma Mea acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,414 --> 00:00:18,294 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,334 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: recorded on. 4 00:00:21,214 --> 00:00:24,334 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mamma MEA's twice daily 5 00:00:24,374 --> 00:00:28,094 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Every now and again, a couple 6 00:00:28,134 --> 00:00:30,334 Speaker 2: with a big age gap make their way into the 7 00:00:30,374 --> 00:00:33,854 Speaker 2: news cycle and the same questions arise. What could they 8 00:00:33,854 --> 00:00:37,094 Speaker 2: possibly have in common? Why are they together? What does 9 00:00:37,134 --> 00:00:40,054 Speaker 2: he or she see in the other? But why are 10 00:00:40,094 --> 00:00:45,334 Speaker 2: we the onlookers so obsessed with age gap relationships? Plus, 11 00:00:45,454 --> 00:00:49,174 Speaker 2: get ready to lace your corset and fetch your smelling salts. 12 00:00:49,254 --> 00:00:53,014 Speaker 2: We've got all the information about bridgeton season four. Before 13 00:00:53,054 --> 00:00:55,134 Speaker 2: we get there. He is Clare Murphy with the latest 14 00:00:55,214 --> 00:00:58,374 Speaker 2: from The Quickie newsroom for Monday May nineteen. 15 00:00:58,374 --> 00:01:01,254 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The West Coast Eagles have played a tribute 16 00:01:01,254 --> 00:01:04,174 Speaker 1: to former player Adam Selwood, who dined on the weekend 17 00:01:04,454 --> 00:01:08,094 Speaker 1: just months after the death of his identical twin. Sellwood 18 00:01:08,214 --> 00:01:11,094 Speaker 1: was just forty one of four brothers who've played in 19 00:01:11,094 --> 00:01:14,774 Speaker 1: the AFL, Troy passing away just three months ago. A 20 00:01:14,854 --> 00:01:17,814 Speaker 1: minute silence was held before the Eagles match yesterday with 21 00:01:17,894 --> 00:01:20,614 Speaker 1: the big screens at opted Stadium, displaying a photo of 22 00:01:20,654 --> 00:01:24,214 Speaker 1: Selwood that earlier released a touching tribute on social media 23 00:01:24,334 --> 00:01:27,734 Speaker 1: showing some of his career highlights. West Coast managed to 24 00:01:27,774 --> 00:01:30,214 Speaker 1: take the emotion of losing another member of the Eagles 25 00:01:30,254 --> 00:01:33,014 Speaker 1: family to win the game against the Saints, their first 26 00:01:33,014 --> 00:01:36,494 Speaker 1: of the season. A new report shows that domestic violence 27 00:01:36,494 --> 00:01:40,654 Speaker 1: abusers have been using energy and water accounts to stalk, control, 28 00:01:40,734 --> 00:01:44,254 Speaker 1: and punish their victims. There are calls for utility companies 29 00:01:44,294 --> 00:01:48,654 Speaker 1: to better protect their customers privacy, with some inadvertently disclosing 30 00:01:48,734 --> 00:01:52,774 Speaker 1: safe addresses and failing to prevent abusers from manipulating debt 31 00:01:52,894 --> 00:01:55,814 Speaker 1: and account access, with some finding debts have been run 32 00:01:55,894 --> 00:01:58,774 Speaker 1: up in their name. The report, commissioned by the Essential 33 00:01:58,814 --> 00:02:02,254 Speaker 1: Services Commission in Victoria, calls for victim survivors to not 34 00:02:02,334 --> 00:02:05,934 Speaker 1: be required to contact perpetrators to close or amend accounts, 35 00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:09,414 Speaker 1: or bear the burden of proof to obtain support, asking 36 00:02:09,574 --> 00:02:11,734 Speaker 1: for all staff to be trained in how to recognize 37 00:02:11,774 --> 00:02:14,894 Speaker 1: signs of abuse. The report comes as New South Wales 38 00:02:14,974 --> 00:02:18,534 Speaker 1: launched Operation Amarrok, which charged six hundred and twenty seven 39 00:02:18,614 --> 00:02:22,414 Speaker 1: people with more than thirteen hundred offenses targeting domestic and 40 00:02:22,454 --> 00:02:26,494 Speaker 1: family violence. The four day statewide operations saw police also 41 00:02:26,614 --> 00:02:30,134 Speaker 1: conduct twelve hundred and seventy six bail compliance checks and 42 00:02:30,174 --> 00:02:34,694 Speaker 1: more than twelve thousand apprehended violence order compliance checks, identifying 43 00:02:34,734 --> 00:02:38,694 Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty five breaches. During several arrests, police 44 00:02:38,734 --> 00:02:43,054 Speaker 1: found weapons, drugs, cash, and evidence of stalking, including one 45 00:02:43,094 --> 00:02:45,894 Speaker 1: man who allegedly uploaded intimate images of a woman to 46 00:02:45,934 --> 00:02:49,094 Speaker 1: social media and another who'd contacted a woman known to 47 00:02:49,174 --> 00:02:53,414 Speaker 1: him more than three hundred times. Israel has announced extensive 48 00:02:53,454 --> 00:02:57,294 Speaker 1: new ground operations in northern and southern Gaza. Sources say 49 00:02:57,334 --> 00:02:59,854 Speaker 1: there's been no progress on the latest round of talks 50 00:02:59,854 --> 00:03:03,174 Speaker 1: between Israel and Hamas, the office of Israeli Prime Minister 51 00:03:03,254 --> 00:03:06,854 Speaker 1: benjaminette Yahu saying the talks included discussions on a truce 52 00:03:06,894 --> 00:03:09,454 Speaker 1: and hostage deal, as well as a proposal to air 53 00:03:09,734 --> 00:03:13,014 Speaker 1: the war in return for the exile of Hammas militants 54 00:03:13,214 --> 00:03:16,934 Speaker 1: and the demilitarization of the enclave, terms Hamas have previously 55 00:03:16,974 --> 00:03:20,334 Speaker 1: rejected Gaza's health ministry claims. In the week to Sunday, 56 00:03:20,374 --> 00:03:23,494 Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty four Palestinians have been killed, with 57 00:03:23,614 --> 00:03:26,934 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty more overnight, increasing the death toll 58 00:03:26,974 --> 00:03:30,054 Speaker 1: in Gaza to more than fifty three thousand people. A 59 00:03:30,094 --> 00:03:33,734 Speaker 1: Health Ministry spokesperson says complete families have now been wiped 60 00:03:33,734 --> 00:03:37,334 Speaker 1: off the civil registration record. A power failure is being 61 00:03:37,374 --> 00:03:39,934 Speaker 1: blamed for a Mexican tall ship crashing into the Brooklyn 62 00:03:39,974 --> 00:03:42,534 Speaker 1: Bridge in New York. Footage of the crash shows the 63 00:03:42,574 --> 00:03:45,334 Speaker 1: ship's masts hitting the bottom of the bridge, snapping them 64 00:03:45,374 --> 00:03:48,094 Speaker 1: and sending them crashing to the deck. Two crew members 65 00:03:48,134 --> 00:03:51,054 Speaker 1: were killed, while nineteen others were injured. The ship was 66 00:03:51,094 --> 00:03:54,094 Speaker 1: embarking on a transcontinental journey to mark the completion of 67 00:03:54,134 --> 00:03:57,494 Speaker 1: cadets training at the Mexican Naval Academy, and was supposed 68 00:03:57,534 --> 00:04:00,214 Speaker 1: to visit twenty two ports in fifteen nations over the 69 00:04:00,294 --> 00:04:03,174 Speaker 1: next two hundred and fifty four days. A British Man 70 00:04:03,254 --> 00:04:06,174 Speaker 1: is expected to run into Bondai in Sydney today, smashing 71 00:04:06,214 --> 00:04:09,054 Speaker 1: the record for running across the entire width of Australia. 72 00:04:09,534 --> 00:04:12,454 Speaker 1: William Good started his epic run at Codeslow Beach in 73 00:04:12,494 --> 00:04:15,214 Speaker 1: Perth on April fifteen and has averaged more than one 74 00:04:15,294 --> 00:04:18,134 Speaker 1: hundred kilometers or two and a half marathons every day. 75 00:04:18,494 --> 00:04:20,814 Speaker 1: He starts each day before the sun comes up and 76 00:04:20,854 --> 00:04:23,734 Speaker 1: finishes when the sun goes down. He says his body 77 00:04:23,814 --> 00:04:26,254 Speaker 1: has taken a beating as he runs the three thousand, 78 00:04:26,334 --> 00:04:30,294 Speaker 1: eight hundred kilometer journey, struggling to sleep. He's hallucinated at 79 00:04:30,334 --> 00:04:33,014 Speaker 1: times and has said toenails fall off and one toe 80 00:04:33,014 --> 00:04:36,294 Speaker 1: seems to be in his words. Rotting Good, who was 81 00:04:36,334 --> 00:04:39,214 Speaker 1: inspired by his mum who sadly passed away from cancer 82 00:04:39,254 --> 00:04:41,774 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, has made the run in her name 83 00:04:41,814 --> 00:04:44,814 Speaker 1: while raising money for the Cancer Council of Australia. He's 84 00:04:44,854 --> 00:04:47,254 Speaker 1: invited other runners to join him for the final ten 85 00:04:47,294 --> 00:04:50,094 Speaker 1: and five k stretches as he approaches Bondai Beach at 86 00:04:50,094 --> 00:04:52,614 Speaker 1: around five pm. When he crosses a line, he will 87 00:04:52,654 --> 00:04:55,254 Speaker 1: have beaten the record set in twenty twenty three by 88 00:04:55,374 --> 00:04:56,014 Speaker 1: four days. 89 00:04:56,494 --> 00:04:59,814 Speaker 2: Thanks Clan. Next, why are we so obsessed with age 90 00:04:59,854 --> 00:05:12,374 Speaker 2: gap relationships? We've all heard the same old joke about 91 00:05:12,414 --> 00:05:16,174 Speaker 2: the notorious Leonardo DiCaprio who turns his girlfriends out after 92 00:05:16,214 --> 00:05:19,694 Speaker 2: they turned twenty five. The truth is the list of 93 00:05:19,774 --> 00:05:22,774 Speaker 2: Hollywood men who have younger partners is longer than we 94 00:05:22,814 --> 00:05:26,294 Speaker 2: could ever get through in one episode of The Quickie. 95 00:05:26,334 --> 00:05:30,014 Speaker 2: But recently a new couple with a notable forty nine 96 00:05:30,094 --> 00:05:34,574 Speaker 2: year age gap have been pulling focus. Former NFL coach 97 00:05:34,654 --> 00:05:37,894 Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and his partner Jordan Hudson have once again 98 00:05:37,974 --> 00:05:42,774 Speaker 2: brought the age gap relationship conversation to light. Seventy three 99 00:05:42,854 --> 00:05:45,374 Speaker 2: year old Belichick and twenty four year old Hudson have 100 00:05:45,454 --> 00:05:49,374 Speaker 2: been together since twenty twenty three, but recent tabloid rumors 101 00:05:49,414 --> 00:05:52,134 Speaker 2: say the pair could be done due to Jordan's perceived 102 00:05:52,214 --> 00:05:56,454 Speaker 2: controlling nature over the relationship, which goes against the usual 103 00:05:56,454 --> 00:06:01,174 Speaker 2: prejudices we hold for couples with a significant age gap. Typically, 104 00:06:01,254 --> 00:06:04,814 Speaker 2: society accepts older men dating younger women as something of 105 00:06:04,854 --> 00:06:08,134 Speaker 2: a norm, perceiving the relationship as one of a power 106 00:06:08,174 --> 00:06:12,374 Speaker 2: imbalance or as a financial game. When older women date 107 00:06:12,454 --> 00:06:16,614 Speaker 2: younger men, however, there's also sometimes a perception of desperation, 108 00:06:17,654 --> 00:06:19,534 Speaker 2: and while you and I know this is not to 109 00:06:19,574 --> 00:06:24,334 Speaker 2: be true because you simply cannot label people with Floyd stereotypes, 110 00:06:24,534 --> 00:06:27,934 Speaker 2: it has been accepted as somewhat of a societally understood 111 00:06:27,974 --> 00:06:31,974 Speaker 2: going great Bellowchick and Leo aside, there's also plenty of 112 00:06:32,014 --> 00:06:35,614 Speaker 2: other celebrities who are also romantically coupled up with much 113 00:06:35,734 --> 00:06:40,734 Speaker 2: younger people, like Cher, who's currently dating Alexander Edwards forty 114 00:06:40,814 --> 00:06:45,014 Speaker 2: years her junior, or Tilda Swinton, whose partner Sandra Copp 115 00:06:45,174 --> 00:06:48,534 Speaker 2: is eighteen years younger than she is, and even Preanka 116 00:06:48,614 --> 00:06:52,694 Speaker 2: Choprop who married Nick Jonas aka my childhood crush, there's 117 00:06:52,694 --> 00:06:55,894 Speaker 2: a ten year age gap there. Seriously, though, the day 118 00:06:55,934 --> 00:06:59,934 Speaker 2: those lavish, beautiful, glorious photos of their wedding span pages 119 00:06:59,974 --> 00:07:03,294 Speaker 2: and magazines, I may or may not have shared a 120 00:07:03,414 --> 00:07:07,134 Speaker 2: little tear for my inner tween Back on track. Even 121 00:07:07,174 --> 00:07:10,494 Speaker 2: in pop culture, age gap relationships are being explored more 122 00:07:10,534 --> 00:07:13,814 Speaker 2: and more. Films like The Idea of You starring Anne 123 00:07:13,854 --> 00:07:17,174 Speaker 2: Hathaway come to mind as a recent example, and Nicole 124 00:07:17,254 --> 00:07:20,974 Speaker 2: Kidman features opposite Zac Efron, who's twenty years younger than her, 125 00:07:21,214 --> 00:07:24,214 Speaker 2: in a family affair. But why do we care so 126 00:07:24,374 --> 00:07:26,974 Speaker 2: much about who dates who and if we are in 127 00:07:27,014 --> 00:07:30,374 Speaker 2: a large age gap relationship ourselves, what does it actually 128 00:07:30,374 --> 00:07:34,894 Speaker 2: say about us? Clare Murphy sat down with Relationships Australia 129 00:07:35,014 --> 00:07:37,134 Speaker 2: CEO Elizabeth Shaw to find out. 130 00:07:37,894 --> 00:07:41,574 Speaker 1: Elizabeth, why do you think we're so obsessed with people 131 00:07:41,614 --> 00:07:44,454 Speaker 1: in age gap relationships? Is it really just because the 132 00:07:44,534 --> 00:07:47,574 Speaker 1: majority of us tend to stick to someone close to 133 00:07:47,614 --> 00:07:48,374 Speaker 1: our own age? 134 00:07:48,494 --> 00:07:53,814 Speaker 3: The stereotypes of age gap relationships are quite well worn 135 00:07:53,854 --> 00:07:56,414 Speaker 3: and go back quite a long way. So, for example, 136 00:07:56,814 --> 00:08:00,694 Speaker 3: in women's romance novels, for women, it was always very 137 00:08:00,774 --> 00:08:05,494 Speaker 3: much the sort of younger inexperience, possibly even innocent, untouched 138 00:08:05,934 --> 00:08:10,374 Speaker 3: younger woman and the older man, and the prospect of 139 00:08:10,414 --> 00:08:13,974 Speaker 3: that was always around sexual experience, you know. The carrot 140 00:08:14,014 --> 00:08:19,174 Speaker 3: being dangled was very much about this older sexually experienced 141 00:08:19,214 --> 00:08:23,734 Speaker 3: man who would provide a very exciting awakening for the 142 00:08:23,854 --> 00:08:27,414 Speaker 3: younger woman. It was always about the older man unlocking 143 00:08:27,454 --> 00:08:31,534 Speaker 3: the secrets of their own undiscovered body. I think for men, 144 00:08:32,254 --> 00:08:36,254 Speaker 3: the trope that we're often sometimes laughing at is the 145 00:08:36,294 --> 00:08:40,974 Speaker 3: older man with the younger woman, and that is all 146 00:08:41,014 --> 00:08:44,374 Speaker 3: about the idea that the man's looking to polish up 147 00:08:44,374 --> 00:08:49,094 Speaker 3: his own profile or enhance his own virility by the 148 00:08:49,134 --> 00:08:52,214 Speaker 3: younger woman. In both of these cases we have these 149 00:08:52,734 --> 00:08:57,814 Speaker 3: really established sort of tropes that we repeat over time. Unfortunately, 150 00:08:58,014 --> 00:09:02,214 Speaker 3: these relationships tend to attract a reasonable amount of cynicism 151 00:09:02,414 --> 00:09:05,614 Speaker 3: because it's really unclear on what basis they're founded. 152 00:09:05,854 --> 00:09:08,694 Speaker 1: Can we talk about the dynamics within an age gap relationship, 153 00:09:08,774 --> 00:09:11,734 Speaker 1: because offend. Something that is said when there is an 154 00:09:11,774 --> 00:09:14,534 Speaker 1: age gap is that whoever is the younger has say, 155 00:09:15,014 --> 00:09:18,254 Speaker 1: mummy or daddy issues, and that whoever is the older 156 00:09:19,094 --> 00:09:23,094 Speaker 1: maybe likes the power imbalance. Like we can't obviously place 157 00:09:23,134 --> 00:09:25,894 Speaker 1: that on every age gap relationship. Could that be true, 158 00:09:25,974 --> 00:09:27,894 Speaker 1: that there is a power dynamic shift in that that 159 00:09:27,974 --> 00:09:30,534 Speaker 1: maybe there might be some mummy or daddy issues involved. 160 00:09:30,614 --> 00:09:33,494 Speaker 3: When you see something on display in front of you, 161 00:09:33,654 --> 00:09:36,774 Speaker 3: like a significant age gap, it's very easy to pull 162 00:09:36,814 --> 00:09:39,414 Speaker 3: on that thread and say, well, that's to do with 163 00:09:39,534 --> 00:09:42,734 Speaker 3: some sort of mummy or daddy issues, and maybe that 164 00:09:43,414 --> 00:09:46,054 Speaker 3: plays a factor in it. But also to the degree 165 00:09:46,094 --> 00:09:50,334 Speaker 3: that people are sexually attracted as opposed to being needy 166 00:09:50,374 --> 00:09:53,734 Speaker 3: and dependent, then that wouldn't necessarily be about mummy and 167 00:09:53,814 --> 00:09:57,094 Speaker 3: daddy issues at all. Is having a mummy or daddy issue? 168 00:09:57,094 --> 00:09:59,814 Speaker 3: Just say you follow that thought. Depends what sort of 169 00:09:59,894 --> 00:10:03,054 Speaker 3: issue that is as to whether that's a problem. Looking 170 00:10:03,134 --> 00:10:06,774 Speaker 3: up to someone being able to shelter in that care 171 00:10:06,934 --> 00:10:09,454 Speaker 3: might be something of what's going on feeling that they're 172 00:10:09,854 --> 00:10:12,334 Speaker 3: stable and reliable and all the things that go with 173 00:10:12,414 --> 00:10:15,694 Speaker 3: being a grown up. Perhaps if you are feeling more vulnerable, 174 00:10:16,054 --> 00:10:20,294 Speaker 3: you might be very attracted to the more established, stable life. 175 00:10:20,334 --> 00:10:23,494 Speaker 3: Assuming that's present, it's all about wanting to dismiss it, 176 00:10:23,534 --> 00:10:27,214 Speaker 3: isn't it. It's about wanting to dismiss the value of 177 00:10:27,254 --> 00:10:30,534 Speaker 3: the relationship, and we never really know what power is 178 00:10:30,574 --> 00:10:34,254 Speaker 3: in play, because a young woman, for example, for an 179 00:10:34,294 --> 00:10:36,574 Speaker 3: older man is a lot to hang on to. So 180 00:10:36,694 --> 00:10:39,334 Speaker 3: while it might look like he has the power the 181 00:10:39,414 --> 00:10:42,654 Speaker 3: degree to which he's actually invested in her and basking 182 00:10:42,694 --> 00:10:45,494 Speaker 3: in the glory of having her, his experience may be 183 00:10:45,654 --> 00:10:48,214 Speaker 3: that she's holding quite a lot of cards there too, 184 00:10:48,294 --> 00:10:50,974 Speaker 3: and he needs his virility. He might depend on whether 185 00:10:51,014 --> 00:10:53,694 Speaker 3: he can hold on to her. So power is quite 186 00:10:53,734 --> 00:10:56,894 Speaker 3: a complex arrangement, isn't it. 187 00:10:56,454 --> 00:10:59,454 Speaker 1: Is This conversation around the fact that a fifty year 188 00:10:59,494 --> 00:11:01,734 Speaker 1: old man, for example, would have nothing in common with 189 00:11:01,774 --> 00:11:04,054 Speaker 1: a woman in her twenties, like what could they possibly 190 00:11:04,414 --> 00:11:07,454 Speaker 1: talk about? What could they possibly have in common? Is 191 00:11:07,454 --> 00:11:11,174 Speaker 1: this literally just our own biases towards these relationships, talking 192 00:11:11,174 --> 00:11:14,214 Speaker 1: that we dismiss someone younger as not being able just 193 00:11:14,334 --> 00:11:18,094 Speaker 1: from pure life experience to hold up in conversation or 194 00:11:18,134 --> 00:11:19,774 Speaker 1: in life with someone who's older than them. 195 00:11:19,974 --> 00:11:25,814 Speaker 3: Look it certainly beyond cynicism and sort of stereotypical judgment. 196 00:11:26,214 --> 00:11:32,614 Speaker 3: The relationship needs to be really founded on substantial connections 197 00:11:32,894 --> 00:11:36,294 Speaker 3: unless it is supported by other things. So, for example, 198 00:11:36,454 --> 00:11:40,054 Speaker 3: in an age gap relationship, if the two largely get 199 00:11:40,094 --> 00:11:43,014 Speaker 3: their needs met from their own cohorts and come together 200 00:11:43,454 --> 00:11:47,694 Speaker 3: purely for fun and holidays and showing the relationship often 201 00:11:47,734 --> 00:11:51,414 Speaker 3: in fact that connection is quite limited, that might be sustainable. 202 00:11:51,414 --> 00:11:53,974 Speaker 3: But if they're really trying to do an ongoing day 203 00:11:54,014 --> 00:11:57,134 Speaker 3: to day relationship, they are going to need all those 204 00:11:57,134 --> 00:12:00,534 Speaker 3: things that we all need to keep it going. And realistically, 205 00:12:01,014 --> 00:12:04,694 Speaker 3: they have very different life experience, and it's true enough 206 00:12:04,774 --> 00:12:08,174 Speaker 3: that the conversations would be harder to sustain. 207 00:12:08,614 --> 00:12:12,334 Speaker 1: Just finally, Elizabeth of been reading anecdotally from therapists who 208 00:12:12,334 --> 00:12:15,054 Speaker 1: say that the couples that they have come into their 209 00:12:15,094 --> 00:12:19,654 Speaker 1: office who do have an age gap, age doesn't necessarily 210 00:12:19,774 --> 00:12:21,774 Speaker 1: end up being the thing that they are struggling with. 211 00:12:22,174 --> 00:12:24,854 Speaker 1: It might be various other things, and sometimes it's values. 212 00:12:24,894 --> 00:12:27,854 Speaker 1: But values can be different even if you are closer 213 00:12:27,894 --> 00:12:30,374 Speaker 1: in age. But that age itself is not the issue. 214 00:12:30,374 --> 00:12:33,254 Speaker 3: Has that been your experience, It does make a difference 215 00:12:33,854 --> 00:12:37,214 Speaker 3: later on, and that's where I have had people raise 216 00:12:37,294 --> 00:12:42,294 Speaker 3: age as an issue in itself, because if you're starting 217 00:12:42,334 --> 00:12:45,214 Speaker 3: a relationship at forty five and your partner's twenty five, 218 00:12:45,894 --> 00:12:48,934 Speaker 3: you still could have a reasonable amount in common, a 219 00:12:48,934 --> 00:12:52,654 Speaker 3: lot of interest. You're still both physically in your prime. 220 00:12:53,014 --> 00:12:55,054 Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that you can do together. 221 00:12:55,654 --> 00:12:58,574 Speaker 3: Fast forward and one person is sixty and the other 222 00:12:58,654 --> 00:13:01,654 Speaker 3: is eighty, or one is seventy and the other is ninety. 223 00:13:02,054 --> 00:13:05,174 Speaker 3: This is a whole different proposition. I think. As one 224 00:13:05,534 --> 00:13:08,534 Speaker 3: gets closer to thinking I might retire now and the 225 00:13:08,574 --> 00:13:11,414 Speaker 3: other person is still absolutely in the middle of their career, 226 00:13:12,094 --> 00:13:15,214 Speaker 3: then it does raise issues. And they may not present 227 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:18,934 Speaker 3: the age gap, but they present everything that flows from 228 00:13:18,974 --> 00:13:22,014 Speaker 3: the fact that they're at different live stages and have 229 00:13:22,134 --> 00:13:26,054 Speaker 3: different interests. And realistically, even if say a young woman 230 00:13:26,054 --> 00:13:27,974 Speaker 3: has chosen an older man, it doesn't mean all her 231 00:13:28,054 --> 00:13:31,894 Speaker 3: friends necessarily think that that's where they want to hang out. 232 00:13:32,294 --> 00:13:35,374 Speaker 3: So sometimes it can create issues for friendships and family 233 00:13:35,454 --> 00:13:36,134 Speaker 3: members as well. 234 00:13:42,054 --> 00:13:48,694 Speaker 2: Dearest gentle reader, a listener, Okay, sorry, I promise to 235 00:13:48,734 --> 00:13:51,534 Speaker 2: never do my lady whistle down impression again. However, I 236 00:13:51,614 --> 00:13:55,054 Speaker 2: do promise to bring in news about bridgeton season four. 237 00:13:55,894 --> 00:13:59,414 Speaker 2: Netflix and Shonderland have recently firmed out what we already 238 00:13:59,454 --> 00:14:01,934 Speaker 2: thought to be true, and we head back to the ton. 239 00:14:02,494 --> 00:14:05,094 Speaker 2: It'll be with a focus on the second eldest son, 240 00:14:05,254 --> 00:14:09,054 Speaker 2: Benetict Bridgeton and his love story. It feels right now 241 00:14:09,054 --> 00:14:12,614 Speaker 2: that the next that may change me entirely, but we 242 00:14:12,694 --> 00:14:16,054 Speaker 2: may be waiting with baited breath for just a little while. 243 00:14:16,414 --> 00:14:19,454 Speaker 2: A sneak peak surfaced online last week, featuring clips of 244 00:14:19,494 --> 00:14:22,814 Speaker 2: a masquerade ball and some new faces, amongst those were 245 00:14:22,854 --> 00:14:26,494 Speaker 2: already familiar with. It also came with some clues about 246 00:14:26,494 --> 00:14:29,414 Speaker 2: a launch date, which I'm sorry to say won't be 247 00:14:29,654 --> 00:14:33,854 Speaker 2: till sometime in twenty twenty six. There's also been other 248 00:14:33,894 --> 00:14:36,134 Speaker 2: good news for fans of the show. While we wait 249 00:14:36,174 --> 00:14:39,654 Speaker 2: for season four, another two seasons have already been ordered. 250 00:14:40,014 --> 00:14:43,814 Speaker 2: Mumma MIA's entertainment editor Tina Burke has all the details. Tina, 251 00:14:44,334 --> 00:14:47,934 Speaker 2: talk to me about Benedict Bridgeton. He's the focus of 252 00:14:47,974 --> 00:14:51,774 Speaker 2: season four and I want to say no spoilers, however, 253 00:14:52,774 --> 00:14:54,174 Speaker 2: these are based on books. 254 00:14:54,494 --> 00:14:57,294 Speaker 4: They are based on books, and Benedict Bridgeton is like 255 00:14:57,614 --> 00:15:00,414 Speaker 4: the hottest of all the Bridgeton's fictionally and also in 256 00:15:00,414 --> 00:15:03,214 Speaker 4: the Netflix series. Like I would say that Benedict is 257 00:15:03,294 --> 00:15:07,014 Speaker 4: the number one crush of most Bridgeton viewers, Like he's 258 00:15:07,094 --> 00:15:09,494 Speaker 4: just that guy he's charming, he's a little bit silly, 259 00:15:09,614 --> 00:15:13,374 Speaker 4: his ARTZI we love him. Luke Thompson, who plays Benedict, 260 00:15:13,374 --> 00:15:15,174 Speaker 4: brings so much to the role. I think he's just 261 00:15:15,254 --> 00:15:17,374 Speaker 4: a really charming actor. So you add that on top 262 00:15:17,414 --> 00:15:19,614 Speaker 4: of a really well written character and like, the girls 263 00:15:19,614 --> 00:15:20,454 Speaker 4: are just gonna love him. 264 00:15:20,774 --> 00:15:26,414 Speaker 2: What does the book dictate for Benedict's season? Because obviously, 265 00:15:26,454 --> 00:15:29,694 Speaker 2: if you're unfamiliar the series Bridgeton is based on the 266 00:15:29,854 --> 00:15:35,014 Speaker 2: books written by Julia Quinn, some criticism has arisen about 267 00:15:35,294 --> 00:15:37,214 Speaker 2: previous seasons not sticking. 268 00:15:36,934 --> 00:15:39,014 Speaker 4: True to the pros. 269 00:15:39,694 --> 00:15:41,654 Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about that, but what 270 00:15:41,934 --> 00:15:43,854 Speaker 2: could we expect if it is to go based by 271 00:15:43,854 --> 00:15:44,214 Speaker 2: the book? 272 00:15:44,814 --> 00:15:48,214 Speaker 4: So we have a pretty clear understanding of Benedict's season already, 273 00:15:48,214 --> 00:15:50,734 Speaker 4: and it seems like it will follow quite closely to 274 00:15:50,894 --> 00:15:52,934 Speaker 4: the book. If you haven't read the book, what you 275 00:15:52,974 --> 00:15:55,414 Speaker 4: need to know is Benedick's story is kind of just 276 00:15:55,454 --> 00:15:59,174 Speaker 4: like a classic Cinderella story. His mum hosts a masquerade ball. 277 00:15:59,294 --> 00:16:01,294 Speaker 4: He goes, you know, it's the ton He's sick of 278 00:16:01,334 --> 00:16:05,174 Speaker 4: all these girls, and then he sees this enchanting, beautiful 279 00:16:05,174 --> 00:16:08,254 Speaker 4: woman obviously wearing a mask, and he's just captivated by 280 00:16:08,254 --> 00:16:10,694 Speaker 4: her and like, how special shit. So her name is 281 00:16:10,774 --> 00:16:13,094 Speaker 4: Sophie and in the show she's going to be played 282 00:16:13,094 --> 00:16:15,734 Speaker 4: by Yarn Hah, an Australian actress, so we're very thrilled 283 00:16:15,774 --> 00:16:18,894 Speaker 4: about that. They dance clock strikes midnight, she disappears, Oh 284 00:16:18,934 --> 00:16:20,974 Speaker 4: where is she gone? And then he thinks about her 285 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:22,974 Speaker 4: for a very long time and like, no one compares 286 00:16:23,014 --> 00:16:24,774 Speaker 4: to this girl who he met at this party. 287 00:16:25,094 --> 00:16:27,694 Speaker 2: I feel like we already said spoilers ahead, so that's 288 00:16:27,694 --> 00:16:30,854 Speaker 2: totally fine. We already know now that Luke Thompson and 289 00:16:31,214 --> 00:16:33,374 Speaker 2: Yarin har will be the Leeds. We also know from 290 00:16:33,414 --> 00:16:36,454 Speaker 2: those sneak peak trailers Tina, that a couple of our 291 00:16:36,494 --> 00:16:40,374 Speaker 2: favorites will be back, Claudia Jesse as Eloise and of 292 00:16:40,414 --> 00:16:43,814 Speaker 2: course Nicola Coughlin as well as Penelope. So very happy 293 00:16:43,854 --> 00:16:45,494 Speaker 2: to see them back in the fold. Although we're gonna 294 00:16:45,534 --> 00:16:47,974 Speaker 2: have to wait quite a while till the season actually 295 00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:49,294 Speaker 2: hits Netflix. 296 00:16:49,734 --> 00:16:52,614 Speaker 4: We are gonna be waiting our whole lives for this show. 297 00:16:53,094 --> 00:16:55,814 Speaker 4: So Benedict season, we now know will premiere in twenty 298 00:16:55,854 --> 00:16:59,494 Speaker 4: twenty six. The thing that keeps happening is that they 299 00:16:59,534 --> 00:17:01,334 Speaker 4: film the season, they work on the season they put 300 00:17:01,334 --> 00:17:03,054 Speaker 4: it out, and at the time at which they're putting 301 00:17:03,094 --> 00:17:05,494 Speaker 4: it out, they also start saying like, oh, we're working 302 00:17:05,494 --> 00:17:08,174 Speaker 4: on the next one, so they don't immediately go into 303 00:17:08,174 --> 00:17:11,534 Speaker 4: filming after filming one season, which is pretty typical of 304 00:17:11,574 --> 00:17:14,534 Speaker 4: most dramas, most TV shows. You think of long standing 305 00:17:14,614 --> 00:17:17,294 Speaker 4: things like what Shonda's worked on, which is Gray's Anatomy, 306 00:17:17,534 --> 00:17:19,814 Speaker 4: and people are getting frustrated that, like, we're not doing 307 00:17:19,814 --> 00:17:22,734 Speaker 4: that thing of every year new season rolls around, so 308 00:17:23,134 --> 00:17:25,534 Speaker 4: we're gonna be waiting a while. We're probably not gonna 309 00:17:25,534 --> 00:17:28,854 Speaker 4: see season five until like twenty twenty eight, maybe twenty 310 00:17:28,894 --> 00:17:31,294 Speaker 4: thirty for season six, We've got a long time to go. 311 00:17:31,814 --> 00:17:34,534 Speaker 2: Is there a concern then that, like the duke he 312 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:36,814 Speaker 2: left after the first season, is there a consent these 313 00:17:36,814 --> 00:17:40,334 Speaker 2: other characters might grow bored of Bridgeton or dare I 314 00:17:40,374 --> 00:17:41,374 Speaker 2: say age out? 315 00:17:41,854 --> 00:17:44,654 Speaker 4: Yeah? Like I think Claudia Jesse is a really great example. 316 00:17:44,694 --> 00:17:47,854 Speaker 4: She obviously plays Eloise. People love her so much. When 317 00:17:47,854 --> 00:17:50,254 Speaker 4: the first season came out, everyone couldn't believe that she 318 00:17:50,454 --> 00:17:52,614 Speaker 4: was thirty and she's playing at that time like an 319 00:17:52,614 --> 00:17:56,054 Speaker 4: eighteen year old, which is obviously fine, But at the 320 00:17:56,094 --> 00:17:58,214 Speaker 4: point at which Elouise does get married. In her book, 321 00:17:58,254 --> 00:18:00,614 Speaker 4: she's twenty eight. By the time at which Claudia Jesse 322 00:18:00,654 --> 00:18:03,734 Speaker 4: will be playing her, she's gonna be like thirty eight possibly, 323 00:18:04,134 --> 00:18:06,374 Speaker 4: So there is obviously a difference between the ages of 324 00:18:06,374 --> 00:18:09,054 Speaker 4: the actress and the character, which I think for everyone, 325 00:18:09,094 --> 00:18:11,014 Speaker 4: we just like this actress now, so we're all just 326 00:18:11,054 --> 00:18:14,494 Speaker 4: willing to pretend age doesn't exist. But from the perspective 327 00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:16,734 Speaker 4: of their careers, like Claudia Jesse is a real talent. 328 00:18:16,774 --> 00:18:18,334 Speaker 4: She's been in a few things here and there. But 329 00:18:18,374 --> 00:18:20,254 Speaker 4: when you're kept on a schedule for so long to 330 00:18:20,254 --> 00:18:23,694 Speaker 4: play this one character, it does limit your success opportunities, 331 00:18:23,734 --> 00:18:25,534 Speaker 4: which is, you know, a big part of why reggae 332 00:18:25,574 --> 00:18:26,334 Speaker 4: John Page left. 333 00:18:28,334 --> 00:18:30,574 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 334 00:18:30,694 --> 00:18:33,614 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano, 335 00:18:33,694 --> 00:18:37,094 Speaker 2: and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.