1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 3 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 4 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,184 Speaker 2: is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, 5 00:00:27,264 --> 00:00:30,504 Speaker 2: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm 6 00:00:30,584 --> 00:00:32,864 Speaker 2: m Vernam Happy Monday. Happy Monday to you. I mean, 7 00:00:32,904 --> 00:00:34,144 Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of Mondays. 8 00:00:34,384 --> 00:00:35,984 Speaker 3: I love on Monday because I get to see you 9 00:00:36,064 --> 00:00:37,624 Speaker 3: after two days of being apart. 10 00:00:37,944 --> 00:00:40,744 Speaker 2: The feeling is not always reciprocated. Okay, I'm not a 11 00:00:40,744 --> 00:00:43,184 Speaker 2: morning person. You know. I'll catch it circle back tonight. 12 00:00:43,264 --> 00:00:44,464 Speaker 2: Now I might be happy to see you. 13 00:00:44,584 --> 00:00:47,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get back into it on today's show of 14 00:00:47,304 --> 00:00:52,144 Speaker 3: Interview with Hayden Pennetier for People magazine has gone absolutely viral, 15 00:00:52,384 --> 00:00:55,064 Speaker 3: with people calling for it to be taken down. She 16 00:00:55,144 --> 00:00:57,864 Speaker 3: has now issued a statement. We are getting into that, 17 00:00:57,984 --> 00:01:00,504 Speaker 3: plus the backstory that you probably didn't know. 18 00:01:00,944 --> 00:01:04,064 Speaker 2: But first, but first, on this glorious Monday, I think 19 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,384 Speaker 2: I have to issue you a little bit of an apology. 20 00:01:06,424 --> 00:01:09,184 Speaker 2: The Spill is really Oh you're mad at me too? Okay, guys, 21 00:01:09,584 --> 00:01:12,944 Speaker 2: so when we are picking our weekend watches, I don't 22 00:01:12,944 --> 00:01:15,504 Speaker 2: always like to pick sometimes like the buzziest show or 23 00:01:15,544 --> 00:01:17,544 Speaker 2: the biggest show, or the show with most money behind it, 24 00:01:17,584 --> 00:01:20,504 Speaker 2: because I just assume a lot of people know that 25 00:01:20,504 --> 00:01:22,304 Speaker 2: that show's coming out, and maybe I'll try and pick 26 00:01:22,344 --> 00:01:24,864 Speaker 2: something a little more under the radar. So last week 27 00:01:24,904 --> 00:01:27,304 Speaker 2: I recommended a Netflix movie, His Three Daughters, which I 28 00:01:27,344 --> 00:01:29,624 Speaker 2: stand by being a fantastic movie, and I know heaps 29 00:01:29,624 --> 00:01:31,544 Speaker 2: of people message me they watch over the weekend. They 30 00:01:31,584 --> 00:01:34,864 Speaker 2: loved it, so that's incredible. But then Friday night work 31 00:01:34,944 --> 00:01:37,584 Speaker 2: was finally finished. Hectic day, and I've been looking forward 32 00:01:37,624 --> 00:01:41,064 Speaker 2: to this moment all week. I love being my apartment alone. 33 00:01:41,184 --> 00:01:43,904 Speaker 2: I live alone, so you know that's normal. 34 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,264 Speaker 3: I'm scared if you said I love being my apartment 35 00:01:46,264 --> 00:01:47,264 Speaker 3: and alone, I'm like usual. 36 00:01:47,384 --> 00:01:50,344 Speaker 2: Else, No, no friends want to come over. Sometimes they 37 00:01:50,344 --> 00:01:53,544 Speaker 2: cannot turning off all the lights lighting my ten dozen 38 00:01:53,584 --> 00:01:56,984 Speaker 2: candles sitting near my freshly boy five hours. I mean, yeah, 39 00:01:57,024 --> 00:01:57,944 Speaker 2: that's actually question. 40 00:01:58,304 --> 00:02:00,744 Speaker 3: Because I see your candles right near your flowers. I'm like, 41 00:02:00,824 --> 00:02:02,144 Speaker 3: this is not going to work. 42 00:02:02,544 --> 00:02:03,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, So if I didn't come back to the pod 43 00:02:03,784 --> 00:02:05,584 Speaker 2: one day, that's why I've got I've died in a 44 00:02:05,624 --> 00:02:07,824 Speaker 2: fiery blaze. But I was so happy just know that 45 00:02:08,104 --> 00:02:10,184 Speaker 2: poured my wine and I sat down to watch the 46 00:02:10,504 --> 00:02:13,664 Speaker 2: Disney Plus show Agatha all Along, which I have been 47 00:02:13,744 --> 00:02:16,064 Speaker 2: so excited about, and I put it Insta story out 48 00:02:16,104 --> 00:02:18,664 Speaker 2: because one thing I'm very good about doing is sharing 49 00:02:18,664 --> 00:02:20,904 Speaker 2: on my Insta story like pictures of my TV all 50 00:02:20,944 --> 00:02:22,704 Speaker 2: the new movies and TV shows I'm watching, because I 51 00:02:22,704 --> 00:02:23,944 Speaker 2: feel like that's what the people want to know. 52 00:02:24,184 --> 00:02:26,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's your brand to hear. You have to commit 53 00:02:26,824 --> 00:02:29,784 Speaker 3: to it. You start a little Instagram highlight so we 54 00:02:29,824 --> 00:02:31,264 Speaker 3: can see it. Oh, oh my god. 55 00:02:31,264 --> 00:02:33,064 Speaker 2: I did not think of doing all work on this later, 56 00:02:33,464 --> 00:02:35,864 Speaker 2: and I didn't put the name of the show on. 57 00:02:36,024 --> 00:02:37,864 Speaker 2: I just thought it was like a little cozy moment. 58 00:02:38,144 --> 00:02:41,704 Speaker 2: Popped it up instantly, inundated with so many messages from 59 00:02:41,744 --> 00:02:43,744 Speaker 2: Spiller saying what show is that? Oh my god, you 60 00:02:43,784 --> 00:02:45,464 Speaker 2: know that was out yet. So then I was in 61 00:02:45,504 --> 00:02:47,744 Speaker 2: the DMS all weekend with about thirty people, I want 62 00:02:47,744 --> 00:02:50,024 Speaker 2: to say, having this big conversation about the show, telling 63 00:02:50,064 --> 00:02:51,704 Speaker 2: them what it was about, and a lot of them 64 00:02:51,784 --> 00:02:53,784 Speaker 2: saying like, oh, you should have said on the pod 65 00:02:53,824 --> 00:02:56,464 Speaker 2: this was coming out, So drop the ball on that one. 66 00:02:56,504 --> 00:02:58,904 Speaker 2: So it's a little we can watch to kick the 67 00:02:58,904 --> 00:03:01,024 Speaker 2: week off recommendation. Have you watched it yet? 68 00:03:01,104 --> 00:03:03,104 Speaker 3: I have watched it, you have watched it. Immediately got 69 00:03:03,104 --> 00:03:04,864 Speaker 3: angry at you for not recommending it to it. 70 00:03:04,984 --> 00:03:07,904 Speaker 2: Oh, guys, I can't carry this burden for all job, 71 00:03:07,984 --> 00:03:10,864 Speaker 2: so I think you can. So Agatha All Along. This 72 00:03:10,904 --> 00:03:12,424 Speaker 2: is the spell I was giving everyone on the DMS 73 00:03:12,424 --> 00:03:15,224 Speaker 2: over the weekend is a spinoff of One Division the 74 00:03:15,264 --> 00:03:18,264 Speaker 2: Marvel Show, which Elizabeth Olsen, which is incredible, and the 75 00:03:18,264 --> 00:03:20,624 Speaker 2: biggest question is do I have to watch One Division 76 00:03:20,664 --> 00:03:23,384 Speaker 2: to watch Agatha All Along? I would say probably not, 77 00:03:23,624 --> 00:03:24,464 Speaker 2: is the advice I was giving. 78 00:03:25,264 --> 00:03:27,624 Speaker 3: No, because I have watched One Division and I kind 79 00:03:27,664 --> 00:03:30,904 Speaker 3: of forgot what happened. So they do make references to 80 00:03:31,064 --> 00:03:32,504 Speaker 3: One Division, especially in the beginning. 81 00:03:32,624 --> 00:03:32,784 Speaker 2: Yeah. 82 00:03:32,784 --> 00:03:35,584 Speaker 3: I think it's literally right in the beginning of episode one, 83 00:03:35,704 --> 00:03:37,464 Speaker 3: and then you kind of understand it and then you 84 00:03:37,504 --> 00:03:38,304 Speaker 3: can move along. 85 00:03:38,544 --> 00:03:40,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you a cliff Notes version now, so 86 00:03:40,664 --> 00:03:43,504 Speaker 2: you're across. So in the TV show, it was Elizabeth Olsen, 87 00:03:43,544 --> 00:03:46,984 Speaker 2: who plays Wonder Maximov in the Marvel Universe, grieving the 88 00:03:47,024 --> 00:03:49,984 Speaker 2: death of Paul Bettany's character Vision, which happened in the 89 00:03:50,064 --> 00:03:52,984 Speaker 2: Endgame Infinity War movies Stay with Me. She casts a 90 00:03:53,064 --> 00:03:56,064 Speaker 2: spell really takes over this town. And the end part 91 00:03:56,104 --> 00:03:59,744 Speaker 2: of that is that Katherine Hahn, who plays Agatha in 92 00:03:59,784 --> 00:04:01,784 Speaker 2: the show, is revealed to be this witch. At the 93 00:04:01,904 --> 00:04:04,824 Speaker 2: end of one division, she leaves her trapped in that spell. 94 00:04:04,944 --> 00:04:07,944 Speaker 2: So Agatha all along. It's a whole new series where 95 00:04:07,944 --> 00:04:11,104 Speaker 2: you see Catherine Hahn's character Agatha, who is like just 96 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:14,464 Speaker 2: she's like a funny evil witch, like such an incredible character, 97 00:04:14,904 --> 00:04:17,344 Speaker 2: breaking free this spell and then she sets off. She 98 00:04:17,384 --> 00:04:19,904 Speaker 2: has to bring together this cove and of like ragtag witches, 99 00:04:19,944 --> 00:04:23,784 Speaker 2: one of them is Patty Lapone Aubrey Plaza. This cast 100 00:04:23,864 --> 00:04:26,984 Speaker 2: is just insane and they go off on this mission 101 00:04:27,024 --> 00:04:30,104 Speaker 2: down the Witches Road to get their powers back. And 102 00:04:30,264 --> 00:04:33,184 Speaker 2: Tina Burke, who's our entertainment editor at Mamea, actually interviewed 103 00:04:33,184 --> 00:04:36,344 Speaker 2: all the cast. Spoiler alert. Catherine hann loves MoMA Mia. 104 00:04:36,704 --> 00:04:38,544 Speaker 2: She said, you guys have really great takes. I really 105 00:04:38,664 --> 00:04:40,544 Speaker 2: love I know, so that makes me nervous that she 106 00:04:40,544 --> 00:04:42,704 Speaker 2: could be listening to this. So she interviewed the cast 107 00:04:42,744 --> 00:04:44,304 Speaker 2: and when she watched the screener, she said to me, 108 00:04:44,304 --> 00:04:46,224 Speaker 2: I think this is my favorite show of twenty twenty four. 109 00:04:46,264 --> 00:04:47,264 Speaker 2: And then I watched it and I was like, I 110 00:04:47,264 --> 00:04:49,384 Speaker 2: think it might be my favorite show of twenty twenty four. 111 00:04:49,424 --> 00:04:51,784 Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm rectifying it. I get that all along. 112 00:04:51,784 --> 00:04:54,504 Speaker 2: It's on Disney Plast. The first two episodes are out now. 113 00:04:54,824 --> 00:04:56,904 Speaker 2: All the other episodes we've been dropping weekly. I have 114 00:04:56,984 --> 00:04:58,544 Speaker 2: the screeners, but I'm going to watch them weekly with 115 00:04:58,584 --> 00:05:01,824 Speaker 2: everyone else, because, as you know, no Emily, some shows 116 00:05:01,864 --> 00:05:04,104 Speaker 2: are meant to be watched weekly so you can digest them, 117 00:05:04,184 --> 00:05:07,744 Speaker 2: sit with them, and get excited about the next episode 118 00:05:07,784 --> 00:05:08,344 Speaker 2: coming out. 119 00:05:08,504 --> 00:05:10,664 Speaker 3: It is really interesting how they decided to up the 120 00:05:10,704 --> 00:05:12,704 Speaker 3: show now leading up to Halloween. 121 00:05:12,784 --> 00:05:14,944 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the last episode comes out on Halloween. 122 00:05:14,984 --> 00:05:17,584 Speaker 2: I love it. It's also all practical effects, which I love. 123 00:05:17,624 --> 00:05:20,104 Speaker 2: I can't stand all that cgi nonsense anymore. Like I 124 00:05:20,144 --> 00:05:22,624 Speaker 2: give me practical effects, give me funny. One line is 125 00:05:22,664 --> 00:05:25,544 Speaker 2: there's also a banger of a song. Anyway, I thought, oh, 126 00:05:25,584 --> 00:05:27,544 Speaker 2: everyone start watching it so we can talk about it more. 127 00:05:29,424 --> 00:05:29,544 Speaker 1: So. 128 00:05:29,824 --> 00:05:34,024 Speaker 2: Late last week, a interview with actress Hayden Panetier dropped. 129 00:05:34,064 --> 00:05:36,184 Speaker 2: It was from People magazine. She did a big cover 130 00:05:36,264 --> 00:05:38,784 Speaker 2: story with them. The articles are online and with it, 131 00:05:38,864 --> 00:05:42,744 Speaker 2: they also released a video interview of her talking about 132 00:05:42,784 --> 00:05:46,304 Speaker 2: some very emotional subjects. So the title of the article 133 00:05:46,544 --> 00:05:50,224 Speaker 2: was Hayden Pantier opens up in emotional first interview about 134 00:05:50,224 --> 00:05:54,344 Speaker 2: her brother's sudden death. I'll always be heartbroken. Exclusive. So 135 00:05:54,424 --> 00:05:56,304 Speaker 2: Hayden Pantier, who I feel like his name is. So 136 00:05:56,384 --> 00:05:58,904 Speaker 2: many people know because she was a child star. She 137 00:05:58,984 --> 00:06:00,384 Speaker 2: was in a lot of movies kind of like more 138 00:06:00,424 --> 00:06:03,584 Speaker 2: Wrong comm Ones, like Raising Helen. And then she got 139 00:06:03,584 --> 00:06:07,064 Speaker 2: her big TV breakout role on Heroes, the TV show that's. 140 00:06:06,904 --> 00:06:08,064 Speaker 3: A forgetting bring it on. 141 00:06:08,344 --> 00:06:10,504 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I'd love to forget that movie. It's 142 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:11,904 Speaker 2: great in it, but that's not a good reading. 143 00:06:12,064 --> 00:06:13,704 Speaker 3: I'll bring it on all and nothing not as good 144 00:06:13,704 --> 00:06:17,584 Speaker 3: as the original, but no, not the original, brilliant, brilliant 145 00:06:17,624 --> 00:06:18,784 Speaker 3: cinematic experience. 146 00:06:19,224 --> 00:06:21,344 Speaker 2: And then she start in the TV show Heroes, and 147 00:06:21,384 --> 00:06:23,184 Speaker 2: she was one of the big breakout stars, and that 148 00:06:23,464 --> 00:06:25,984 Speaker 2: because she was a cheerleader, Claire. I remember the tagline 149 00:06:25,984 --> 00:06:28,344 Speaker 2: for that was say the cheerleader Save the World. And 150 00:06:28,384 --> 00:06:30,464 Speaker 2: that show was huge when it came out. 151 00:06:30,744 --> 00:06:33,744 Speaker 3: They remember so specifically the poster for it. Yeah, with 152 00:06:33,784 --> 00:06:35,704 Speaker 3: her like back and she's like turned, She's. 153 00:06:35,544 --> 00:06:38,024 Speaker 2: Like an indestructible cheerleader. And then she also went on 154 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:40,224 Speaker 2: to start in the TV show Nashville with Connie Brittin 155 00:06:40,224 --> 00:06:42,104 Speaker 2: for many years and that was a smash hit. And 156 00:06:42,144 --> 00:06:44,584 Speaker 2: then a couple of years ago, a lot of different 157 00:06:44,584 --> 00:06:47,024 Speaker 2: things started happening with her. She gave birth to her 158 00:06:47,104 --> 00:06:50,344 Speaker 2: first daughter. Not long after that, she went into a 159 00:06:50,384 --> 00:06:55,264 Speaker 2: rehabilitation facility for postpartum depression, but also talked about struggling 160 00:06:55,304 --> 00:06:58,664 Speaker 2: with drug and alcohol abuse. She was in an abusive 161 00:06:58,704 --> 00:07:00,704 Speaker 2: relationship with a man for many years that was sort 162 00:07:00,704 --> 00:07:01,864 Speaker 2: of on and off, and there are a lot of 163 00:07:01,864 --> 00:07:03,984 Speaker 2: different police reports and we'll get into all that stuff 164 00:07:03,984 --> 00:07:07,024 Speaker 2: a bit more later. She said, talked about losing work. 165 00:07:07,264 --> 00:07:09,904 Speaker 2: She and her fiance broke up and he moved overseas 166 00:07:09,904 --> 00:07:12,584 Speaker 2: with their doors her and then she was really chastised 167 00:07:12,624 --> 00:07:15,064 Speaker 2: in the public for you know, I guess like people 168 00:07:15,064 --> 00:07:16,944 Speaker 2: thought she had abandoned her daughter and all this horrible 169 00:07:16,984 --> 00:07:19,464 Speaker 2: stuff happened, and so she hasn't been really in the 170 00:07:19,504 --> 00:07:21,624 Speaker 2: public eye too much. That's why the people gave her 171 00:07:21,664 --> 00:07:24,104 Speaker 2: this big cover story and exclusive. I mean used to 172 00:07:24,144 --> 00:07:26,424 Speaker 2: talk about this movie Amber Alert that she has coming 173 00:07:26,424 --> 00:07:28,504 Speaker 2: out soon, but it was also to kind of look 174 00:07:28,544 --> 00:07:31,224 Speaker 2: back on this awful year that she's had. And in 175 00:07:31,264 --> 00:07:34,304 Speaker 2: the article, she talks about the grief that she suffered 176 00:07:34,424 --> 00:07:38,824 Speaker 2: after her younger brother, Jensen, died unexpectedly from an undiagnosed 177 00:07:38,864 --> 00:07:41,744 Speaker 2: heart condition at just twenty eight, so so young. They 178 00:07:41,784 --> 00:07:42,784 Speaker 2: were very very close. 179 00:07:43,104 --> 00:07:45,024 Speaker 3: That was also her only sibling. 180 00:07:44,704 --> 00:07:46,784 Speaker 2: And her only sibling, and they're very close, and they'd 181 00:07:46,824 --> 00:07:48,824 Speaker 2: grown up as like both kind of being child stars 182 00:07:48,864 --> 00:07:51,224 Speaker 2: and a family together. And she talked in the past 183 00:07:51,224 --> 00:07:54,184 Speaker 2: about feeling like quite isolated that industry, but always having 184 00:07:54,224 --> 00:07:55,984 Speaker 2: her brother with her as her best friends. So just 185 00:07:56,024 --> 00:07:58,784 Speaker 2: a pain I can't even imagine going through. And she 186 00:07:58,904 --> 00:08:01,344 Speaker 2: was talking about the interview that like twenty twenty three 187 00:08:01,424 --> 00:08:03,344 Speaker 2: was kind of meant to be her year after everything 188 00:08:03,384 --> 00:08:06,064 Speaker 2: she'd been through with her health and kind of trying 189 00:08:06,064 --> 00:08:08,584 Speaker 2: to battle these addiction issues and everything she'd gone through 190 00:08:08,584 --> 00:08:11,224 Speaker 2: with her daughter and coming to turn with that situation, 191 00:08:11,384 --> 00:08:13,544 Speaker 2: she was getting back into work. Remember she was in 192 00:08:13,624 --> 00:08:17,264 Speaker 2: Scream six, which was such a huge thing because people 193 00:08:17,344 --> 00:08:19,744 Speaker 2: loved her original screen character Kirby, and then it was 194 00:08:19,744 --> 00:08:22,024 Speaker 2: always thought that maybe Kirby died but people didn't know. 195 00:08:22,384 --> 00:08:24,504 Speaker 2: And then when it was announced that she was coming 196 00:08:24,544 --> 00:08:27,304 Speaker 2: back and reprising that role in a really big way, 197 00:08:27,384 --> 00:08:30,664 Speaker 2: people were really excited. And remember being in the theater 198 00:08:30,744 --> 00:08:32,704 Speaker 2: and the first time you see her, it turns around 199 00:08:32,744 --> 00:08:36,024 Speaker 2: and it's revealed that she's the FBI, and everyone just 200 00:08:36,024 --> 00:08:38,024 Speaker 2: starts screaming because people love her so much. 201 00:08:38,104 --> 00:08:39,184 Speaker 3: And I was closing my eyes. 202 00:08:39,184 --> 00:08:40,744 Speaker 2: I was like, what's happening. Yeah, you're on the floor 203 00:08:40,744 --> 00:08:42,344 Speaker 2: and I was like, it's hate and she's here. Open 204 00:08:42,384 --> 00:08:45,184 Speaker 2: your eyes for one minute. M But just weeks before 205 00:08:45,224 --> 00:08:47,344 Speaker 2: that is when her brother had passed away. So yeah, 206 00:08:47,384 --> 00:08:50,024 Speaker 2: this interview came out and people were expecting to sort 207 00:08:50,024 --> 00:08:52,424 Speaker 2: of get an idea of where she was, and then 208 00:08:52,624 --> 00:08:55,504 Speaker 2: the video was posted online and then lead up to. 209 00:08:55,704 --> 00:08:58,064 Speaker 3: The full interview being published. These were the clips that 210 00:08:58,104 --> 00:08:58,664 Speaker 3: were released. 211 00:08:59,304 --> 00:09:03,104 Speaker 1: Losing my little brother, there's nothing like I mean, he 212 00:09:03,184 --> 00:09:07,144 Speaker 1: was my only sibling, and he was my younger sibling 213 00:09:07,464 --> 00:09:11,424 Speaker 1: and it was my job to protect him and my 214 00:09:11,584 --> 00:09:15,584 Speaker 1: last him. They felt like I lost half of my soul. 215 00:09:15,864 --> 00:09:18,944 Speaker 1: I remember saying to somebody and it hadn't even been 216 00:09:18,984 --> 00:09:23,304 Speaker 1: a year, and I was like, don't ever ever expect 217 00:09:23,424 --> 00:09:28,264 Speaker 1: me to get over the loss of him, because no 218 00:09:28,344 --> 00:09:32,784 Speaker 1: matter how many years ago by, it will always be 219 00:09:32,784 --> 00:09:36,824 Speaker 1: beside me, and it will always be I will always 220 00:09:36,864 --> 00:09:39,064 Speaker 1: be heartbroken about it. I will never be able to 221 00:09:39,104 --> 00:09:39,664 Speaker 1: get over it. 222 00:09:39,944 --> 00:09:43,504 Speaker 3: So obviously what she's talking about is absolutely heart wrenching. 223 00:09:43,544 --> 00:09:45,944 Speaker 3: She's talking about losing her brother, that she lost a 224 00:09:45,944 --> 00:09:48,784 Speaker 3: bit of her soul. He was her only sibling, and 225 00:09:49,344 --> 00:09:52,664 Speaker 3: grief does look so different on so many people, and 226 00:09:52,704 --> 00:09:55,144 Speaker 3: it's something that I feel like we shouldn't be judging 227 00:09:55,184 --> 00:09:58,264 Speaker 3: other people for and how they portray grief. But this 228 00:09:58,384 --> 00:10:02,704 Speaker 3: clip went completely viral because people have been saying that 229 00:10:02,944 --> 00:10:04,784 Speaker 3: she was not in her right mind when she did 230 00:10:04,784 --> 00:10:07,504 Speaker 3: this interview, and they weren't upset with her, they were 231 00:10:07,584 --> 00:10:10,904 Speaker 3: upset with People Magazine for publishing it. People have been 232 00:10:10,904 --> 00:10:14,824 Speaker 3: calling for People Magazine to take it down. And it's 233 00:10:14,984 --> 00:10:19,544 Speaker 3: just so interesting to me because I didn't think much 234 00:10:19,824 --> 00:10:22,584 Speaker 3: of this interview. Like I obviously thought she was so 235 00:10:22,704 --> 00:10:26,344 Speaker 3: sad like in her grief. I did personally think that 236 00:10:26,624 --> 00:10:29,584 Speaker 3: she looked sort of like exhaustion that I don't see 237 00:10:29,584 --> 00:10:32,064 Speaker 3: many celebrities doing these type of interviews look like. They 238 00:10:32,224 --> 00:10:35,944 Speaker 3: usually look very put together, very pristine, like very prepared 239 00:10:35,944 --> 00:10:38,464 Speaker 3: for these interviews. And it felt like while she was 240 00:10:38,504 --> 00:10:42,464 Speaker 3: talking about her brother that she was taken aback in 241 00:10:42,504 --> 00:10:46,024 Speaker 3: the same token. And I think with that head, with 242 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:49,744 Speaker 3: what you were mentioning before LB her history with postpartum 243 00:10:49,784 --> 00:10:53,664 Speaker 3: depression and substance abuse, that people are connecting dots that 244 00:10:53,704 --> 00:10:54,384 Speaker 3: aren't even there. 245 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:56,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really difficult to watch, and I feel 246 00:10:57,024 --> 00:11:00,864 Speaker 2: like the uproar and conversation around it was almost instantaneous. 247 00:11:00,904 --> 00:11:03,824 Speaker 2: These clips went live all of a sudden, the comments 248 00:11:03,904 --> 00:11:07,664 Speaker 2: under it, both on people magazines, Instagram pages, and their 249 00:11:07,944 --> 00:11:10,904 Speaker 2: social feeds. The YouTube page with a video wall all 250 00:11:10,944 --> 00:11:14,064 Speaker 2: flooded with comments saying, take this down. This is terrible. 251 00:11:14,144 --> 00:11:16,424 Speaker 2: You should have a duty of care. She clearly isn't 252 00:11:16,464 --> 00:11:19,864 Speaker 2: in the right frame of mind to be speaking about this. 253 00:11:20,264 --> 00:11:23,224 Speaker 2: People were making so many TikTok videos about it, which 254 00:11:23,304 --> 00:11:25,464 Speaker 2: is also bad in a way because the interview was 255 00:11:25,504 --> 00:11:28,384 Speaker 2: being seen everywhere and just look really little clips all 256 00:11:28,424 --> 00:11:31,304 Speaker 2: cut up where it was her worst moment, so you're 257 00:11:31,304 --> 00:11:33,384 Speaker 2: not even watching the full clip. You're watching one moment 258 00:11:33,784 --> 00:11:35,984 Speaker 2: where she kind of appeared to be slurring her speech 259 00:11:36,024 --> 00:11:38,744 Speaker 2: a bit, her eyes were glazed over, she looked sometimes 260 00:11:38,744 --> 00:11:41,464 Speaker 2: a bit confused of where she was, and people were 261 00:11:41,504 --> 00:11:43,944 Speaker 2: making clips saying, look at this interview, take it down 262 00:11:44,064 --> 00:11:46,304 Speaker 2: right now, which only made it The hits of that 263 00:11:46,424 --> 00:11:50,064 Speaker 2: video intensify in a really strong way, and I was 264 00:11:50,064 --> 00:11:52,864 Speaker 2: sort of going back and forth around my own thoughts 265 00:11:52,904 --> 00:11:54,624 Speaker 2: on it, like did I think it should be taken down? 266 00:11:54,664 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 2: Did I think maybe it's out there in the world now? 267 00:11:56,744 --> 00:11:59,304 Speaker 2: And she consented the interview. Should it have been left up? 268 00:11:59,544 --> 00:12:01,704 Speaker 2: But then I saw what she posted on her Instagram 269 00:12:01,704 --> 00:12:03,664 Speaker 2: in response to that, and it kind of really cemented 270 00:12:03,664 --> 00:12:08,104 Speaker 2: my thoughtsa nana. So watching this unfold Friday was really 271 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:10,024 Speaker 2: the day that this kind of escalated, I think, to 272 00:12:10,064 --> 00:12:13,424 Speaker 2: a really strong degree of people calling up People magazine 273 00:12:13,424 --> 00:12:16,264 Speaker 2: to take it down hated and Panatie's team put out 274 00:12:16,264 --> 00:12:18,104 Speaker 2: a statement saying that were with her on set and 275 00:12:18,144 --> 00:12:20,744 Speaker 2: they were looking after her and they didn't disagree with it. 276 00:12:20,784 --> 00:12:23,664 Speaker 2: Obviously what happened with that later and I was going 277 00:12:23,664 --> 00:12:25,664 Speaker 2: back and forth because I've been in this industry a 278 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:29,664 Speaker 2: long time and I've interviewed people in the entertainment space 279 00:12:29,824 --> 00:12:33,024 Speaker 2: who have shared really traumatic stories over the years. But 280 00:12:33,064 --> 00:12:35,864 Speaker 2: before that, I was more in news and police reporting, 281 00:12:35,904 --> 00:12:38,464 Speaker 2: and that's really about talking to people in their worst 282 00:12:38,504 --> 00:12:42,064 Speaker 2: moments and in their most heartbreaking moments, and you always 283 00:12:42,104 --> 00:12:44,064 Speaker 2: having that thing, that duty of care in your mind 284 00:12:44,104 --> 00:12:47,104 Speaker 2: of like how much should their story should be putting out, 285 00:12:47,144 --> 00:12:49,624 Speaker 2: like being careful of how you ask them questions. It's 286 00:12:49,664 --> 00:12:52,464 Speaker 2: almost like you have to be ten steps forward from 287 00:12:52,464 --> 00:12:54,304 Speaker 2: what they're saying, because they're speaking to you in grief 288 00:12:54,304 --> 00:12:56,064 Speaker 2: and they're speaking to you in the room, and you 289 00:12:56,144 --> 00:12:58,104 Speaker 2: have to sort of be talking to them and as 290 00:12:58,104 --> 00:13:01,104 Speaker 2: a journalist leading them through their story, but you have 291 00:13:01,144 --> 00:13:02,824 Speaker 2: to be thinking ahead to how is this going to 292 00:13:02,824 --> 00:13:05,584 Speaker 2: look in the newspaper online, or the video or the podcast, 293 00:13:05,664 --> 00:13:08,504 Speaker 2: and be doing that mental work for them of how 294 00:13:08,584 --> 00:13:10,704 Speaker 2: is this going to come across And a lot of 295 00:13:10,704 --> 00:13:13,024 Speaker 2: the time when people are in pain, they might have 296 00:13:13,024 --> 00:13:14,664 Speaker 2: a different reaction when they are sort of in a 297 00:13:14,664 --> 00:13:16,544 Speaker 2: different side of their grief as well. So there's all 298 00:13:16,584 --> 00:13:18,824 Speaker 2: these things from a duty of care perspective that you 299 00:13:18,904 --> 00:13:21,264 Speaker 2: have to be taken in. And when I first saw 300 00:13:21,264 --> 00:13:24,344 Speaker 2: that interview, I thought to myself, like, it's kind of 301 00:13:24,384 --> 00:13:26,464 Speaker 2: hard to say they should take it down because she's 302 00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:28,904 Speaker 2: consenting to it. You know, she's an adult woman in 303 00:13:28,944 --> 00:13:32,184 Speaker 2: her thirties. She's speaking about something like maybe it's a 304 00:13:32,184 --> 00:13:34,104 Speaker 2: story that she wanted to get out. Like so many 305 00:13:34,144 --> 00:13:36,064 Speaker 2: times when I was a police reporter and I would 306 00:13:36,104 --> 00:13:37,504 Speaker 2: do death knocks, which is where you go knock on 307 00:13:37,544 --> 00:13:39,864 Speaker 2: the door of someone whose family has passed away. A 308 00:13:39,864 --> 00:13:42,264 Speaker 2: lot of the time, people wanted to share their story 309 00:13:42,304 --> 00:13:45,304 Speaker 2: and they wanted to remember this person speak on their grief, 310 00:13:45,344 --> 00:13:47,744 Speaker 2: because you don't want their name to be forgotten. And 311 00:13:47,864 --> 00:13:49,184 Speaker 2: I thought the fact that she was doing it in 312 00:13:49,184 --> 00:13:51,344 Speaker 2: a kind of more of a long form interview was 313 00:13:51,384 --> 00:13:54,544 Speaker 2: better than having it you know what I mean, yeah, interview. 314 00:13:54,624 --> 00:13:56,704 Speaker 2: So it was kind of hard, and so I was 315 00:13:56,744 --> 00:13:59,744 Speaker 2: almost on the stage of like, yes, like she's not 316 00:13:59,824 --> 00:14:02,544 Speaker 2: coming across great in the interview, but also like, how 317 00:14:02,544 --> 00:14:04,824 Speaker 2: do you even hold yourself together when you speak about something? 318 00:14:04,824 --> 00:14:06,184 Speaker 2: Maybe she was like, you know how, like when you're 319 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:08,304 Speaker 2: trying not to cry when you're speaking, your voice starts 320 00:14:08,304 --> 00:14:11,184 Speaker 2: wobbling and you can't really move mouth properly. I was like, 321 00:14:11,224 --> 00:14:13,664 Speaker 2: maybe it's that. So I was almost on the side 322 00:14:13,664 --> 00:14:16,824 Speaker 2: of like leave the interview up, and then I read 323 00:14:16,824 --> 00:14:18,144 Speaker 2: what she posted on Instagram. 324 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:20,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very similar. I was on the side 325 00:14:20,464 --> 00:14:23,824 Speaker 3: of blaming her team for putting her in that position, 326 00:14:24,264 --> 00:14:26,384 Speaker 3: but then I also read the statement and it said 327 00:14:26,424 --> 00:14:30,344 Speaker 3: something completely different. So she recently posted on her Instagram 328 00:14:30,384 --> 00:14:33,144 Speaker 3: a photo of her at the interview with like a 329 00:14:33,304 --> 00:14:36,304 Speaker 3: huge caption explaining everything that went on. I think after 330 00:14:36,344 --> 00:14:39,984 Speaker 3: the backlash of the interview. She said she didn't actually 331 00:14:40,024 --> 00:14:42,824 Speaker 3: regret the interview, like she was glad that she did it, 332 00:14:43,104 --> 00:14:45,784 Speaker 3: but she talked about how she was like sleep deprived. 333 00:14:45,824 --> 00:14:48,264 Speaker 3: She said she hadn't slept in two days because she 334 00:14:48,264 --> 00:14:50,024 Speaker 3: had a really sick dog and was up all night 335 00:14:50,064 --> 00:14:52,864 Speaker 3: looking after the dog. She then talked about how she 336 00:14:52,904 --> 00:14:55,784 Speaker 3: could feel herself fading during the interview, so her team 337 00:14:55,944 --> 00:14:58,464 Speaker 3: stepped in and stopped the interview a bit earlier on, 338 00:14:58,944 --> 00:15:01,384 Speaker 3: and she asked if the interview could be postponed or 339 00:15:01,384 --> 00:15:04,304 Speaker 3: do it another day, and People magazine were like, no Ah, good, 340 00:15:04,304 --> 00:15:07,264 Speaker 3: we have everything we need, don't worry about it, which, 341 00:15:07,784 --> 00:15:10,424 Speaker 3: as someone who has been in this position not a 342 00:15:10,704 --> 00:15:14,064 Speaker 3: cruel in a way, but who's had a bad edit 343 00:15:14,184 --> 00:15:16,264 Speaker 3: quote unquote edit. I had a bad edit on a 344 00:15:16,384 --> 00:15:18,584 Speaker 3: video that I did, an interview that I did for 345 00:15:18,624 --> 00:15:22,864 Speaker 3: a different publication, and I got trashed online, really and 346 00:15:22,904 --> 00:15:24,664 Speaker 3: it was all in the edit. It was all in 347 00:15:24,704 --> 00:15:27,184 Speaker 3: the edit, and it was just like crazy, how much 348 00:15:27,344 --> 00:15:31,584 Speaker 3: power editing has over your freedom of speech and how 349 00:15:31,624 --> 00:15:35,144 Speaker 3: you want the world to perceive you. In her statement, 350 00:15:35,304 --> 00:15:38,184 Speaker 3: she did say I was exhausted my rep stop the 351 00:15:38,224 --> 00:15:40,504 Speaker 3: interview early as it became obvious that I was fading, 352 00:15:40,624 --> 00:15:43,864 Speaker 3: especially as a subject matter became heavier. We asked the 353 00:15:43,904 --> 00:15:45,784 Speaker 3: interview if we could redo it another day or a 354 00:15:45,824 --> 00:15:48,984 Speaker 3: follow up interview on zoom, and she assured it wasn't 355 00:15:48,984 --> 00:15:51,424 Speaker 3: necessary and that she felt it was an emotional and 356 00:15:51,504 --> 00:15:54,824 Speaker 3: heartfelt interview. We were also told they would edit it 357 00:15:55,024 --> 00:15:57,584 Speaker 3: and that it would be a beautiful piece. The magazine 358 00:15:57,584 --> 00:16:01,104 Speaker 3: does not grant approval for images or video interviews before 359 00:16:01,104 --> 00:16:03,744 Speaker 3: they run. We see the interview when it goes live. 360 00:16:04,144 --> 00:16:06,704 Speaker 3: I thought this statement was so clever because she's not 361 00:16:06,824 --> 00:16:11,144 Speaker 3: actually explicitly blaming people magazine, She's just dating Yeah, which 362 00:16:11,184 --> 00:16:12,784 Speaker 3: is true for a lot of publications, Like a lot 363 00:16:12,784 --> 00:16:15,544 Speaker 3: of publications even at times US, we don't show the 364 00:16:15,584 --> 00:16:18,984 Speaker 3: interview or photos or the piece before it goes live. 365 00:16:19,224 --> 00:16:21,544 Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's not because you want to trick the 366 00:16:21,544 --> 00:16:24,864 Speaker 2: person or not have them control. It's just that sometimes 367 00:16:25,064 --> 00:16:27,984 Speaker 2: if you give over that creative control edit to the 368 00:16:28,024 --> 00:16:30,904 Speaker 2: subject and they want to start changing every little thing, 369 00:16:30,944 --> 00:16:33,064 Speaker 2: and then people can get subconscious about like how the 370 00:16:33,104 --> 00:16:35,904 Speaker 2: camera was facing and how like they sounded there, and like, oh, 371 00:16:35,944 --> 00:16:38,024 Speaker 2: I actually meant to say this. Can we reword it, 372 00:16:38,424 --> 00:16:41,544 Speaker 2: and then you lose the initial integrity of the interview, 373 00:16:42,024 --> 00:16:43,544 Speaker 2: and a lot of the time it is nerves too. 374 00:16:43,584 --> 00:16:45,664 Speaker 2: Like once it grows live, then people see the response 375 00:16:45,664 --> 00:16:48,144 Speaker 2: to it. The person who's done the interview often times 376 00:16:48,184 --> 00:16:50,624 Speaker 2: is very happy. So I totally understand that People magazine 377 00:16:50,824 --> 00:16:53,424 Speaker 2: doesn't give approval. I'm sure a lot of the big 378 00:16:53,464 --> 00:16:56,304 Speaker 2: celebs when they're doing you know, like bigger cover reveals 379 00:16:56,304 --> 00:16:58,384 Speaker 2: that sort of thing, they would have more power. I think. 380 00:16:58,424 --> 00:17:00,744 Speaker 2: Also the other thing to remember here is that Hayden 381 00:17:00,744 --> 00:17:04,584 Speaker 2: PANETTERI is a big star, but she also wouldn't have 382 00:17:04,664 --> 00:17:07,264 Speaker 2: the cachet just to get a cover to talk about 383 00:17:07,264 --> 00:17:09,744 Speaker 2: something bouncy and happy, like when you're kind of doing 384 00:17:09,744 --> 00:17:12,984 Speaker 2: these big cover story deals. She would have to promise 385 00:17:13,024 --> 00:17:15,744 Speaker 2: them something. If she wants to, like get promo for 386 00:17:15,824 --> 00:17:17,664 Speaker 2: her movie Amber Alert, which I'm sure a lot of 387 00:17:17,664 --> 00:17:19,504 Speaker 2: people didn't even know what's coming out until they read 388 00:17:19,504 --> 00:17:21,904 Speaker 2: it in this magazine, you kind of have to promise 389 00:17:21,904 --> 00:17:24,624 Speaker 2: them something that you'll talk about something for the first time. 390 00:17:24,704 --> 00:17:26,984 Speaker 2: That's why this has got exclusive splashed all over it. 391 00:17:27,024 --> 00:17:29,064 Speaker 2: So it's hard to because then she was in a 392 00:17:29,104 --> 00:17:32,024 Speaker 2: situation where she had to deliver this big emotional reveal. 393 00:17:32,504 --> 00:17:34,264 Speaker 2: It was then done in a way that she's saying 394 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:37,544 Speaker 2: she wasn't comfortable with, but also from the magazine's perspective, 395 00:17:37,704 --> 00:17:40,264 Speaker 2: they were like, we've done everything we've promised, Like we've 396 00:17:40,304 --> 00:17:42,944 Speaker 2: talked to the subject that was pre agreed upon, We've 397 00:17:43,024 --> 00:17:44,944 Speaker 2: shot it in the way that we spoke about, We've 398 00:17:44,984 --> 00:17:47,584 Speaker 2: delivered everything from the clips to the magazine covers, the 399 00:17:47,664 --> 00:17:50,504 Speaker 2: video that we promised you, and it's just in the 400 00:17:50,544 --> 00:17:52,504 Speaker 2: public reaction. I think that this has fallen part. 401 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:55,904 Speaker 3: But even at that same time, like we always talk 402 00:17:55,944 --> 00:17:59,744 Speaker 3: about duty of care when it comes to journalism, and 403 00:18:00,024 --> 00:18:03,504 Speaker 3: I feel like if I was doing the interview, I 404 00:18:03,544 --> 00:18:05,664 Speaker 3: would one hundred percent want that taken down, Like I'd 405 00:18:05,664 --> 00:18:09,704 Speaker 3: be so worried about her health. Yeah, and like all 406 00:18:09,704 --> 00:18:12,824 Speaker 3: of this public reaction, especially like negative reaction towards a 407 00:18:12,824 --> 00:18:15,264 Speaker 3: piece of content that you've created, I had one hundred 408 00:18:15,304 --> 00:18:17,584 Speaker 3: percent wanted to be taken down because I wouldn't want 409 00:18:17,664 --> 00:18:20,424 Speaker 3: to be liable for that. Plus I also feel like 410 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:23,544 Speaker 3: I owe it to her, like she's given me the 411 00:18:23,584 --> 00:18:25,984 Speaker 3: time to tell me her story. I feel like if 412 00:18:26,024 --> 00:18:28,824 Speaker 3: I feel like she's in danger from that, I definitely 413 00:18:28,824 --> 00:18:29,664 Speaker 3: would not want. 414 00:18:29,464 --> 00:18:30,784 Speaker 2: That to be out there, so you think it should 415 00:18:30,784 --> 00:18:34,264 Speaker 2: be taken down now? Yeah, well well no, no, there's 416 00:18:34,264 --> 00:18:36,304 Speaker 2: no wrong answer. I'm genuinely asking because I'm not one 417 00:18:36,384 --> 00:18:37,944 Speaker 2: hundred percent sure what the answer is. I feel like 418 00:18:37,944 --> 00:18:39,624 Speaker 2: if you take them down now, like it's out there, 419 00:18:39,664 --> 00:18:41,104 Speaker 2: you know, it's already out there. It's been clipped a 420 00:18:41,104 --> 00:18:43,544 Speaker 2: thousand times, it's all over TikTok, it's all over different 421 00:18:43,584 --> 00:18:46,304 Speaker 2: YouTube channels, it's all over Instagram, like, there's no kind 422 00:18:46,304 --> 00:18:48,704 Speaker 2: of putting that back in. But I guess the danger 423 00:18:48,704 --> 00:18:51,384 Speaker 2: in that is that more people will see the cut 424 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:54,144 Speaker 2: up videos where it looks like she's slurring her speech 425 00:18:54,144 --> 00:18:54,664 Speaker 2: because you're. 426 00:18:54,504 --> 00:18:56,064 Speaker 3: Not watching it. It's like an edit on top of 427 00:18:56,104 --> 00:18:57,024 Speaker 3: an editor yeap. 428 00:18:56,984 --> 00:18:58,904 Speaker 2: And so you're not seeing that. But a lot of 429 00:18:58,904 --> 00:19:01,424 Speaker 2: people might not be seeing her Instagram response and seeing 430 00:19:01,424 --> 00:19:03,584 Speaker 2: the story behind it. But also, I mean not to 431 00:19:03,624 --> 00:19:05,024 Speaker 2: be completely on the side of the journalist, like I 432 00:19:05,064 --> 00:19:07,304 Speaker 2: have no idea what happened, but I just know from 433 00:19:07,304 --> 00:19:09,744 Speaker 2: experience a lot of times when these stories blow up 434 00:19:09,784 --> 00:19:12,544 Speaker 2: and times when I know what's happened on the other side, 435 00:19:12,624 --> 00:19:15,024 Speaker 2: there's always more to the story. Yeah, that is. So 436 00:19:15,104 --> 00:19:16,944 Speaker 2: that's the thing is that we don't know what's happened 437 00:19:16,984 --> 00:19:18,024 Speaker 2: on the other side. 438 00:19:17,744 --> 00:19:19,224 Speaker 3: Like her team and them are going to be in 439 00:19:19,264 --> 00:19:23,344 Speaker 3: constant communication since like the beginning of this. And yeah, 440 00:19:23,384 --> 00:19:25,904 Speaker 3: it really depends because like in the actual statement, like 441 00:19:25,904 --> 00:19:28,064 Speaker 3: I mentioned before, she hasn't actually said that she wanted 442 00:19:28,104 --> 00:19:29,704 Speaker 3: the interview to be taken down. She hasn't said that. 443 00:19:29,784 --> 00:19:31,984 Speaker 2: It's more though that the editor and she she wanted 444 00:19:32,024 --> 00:19:34,144 Speaker 2: to talk more and do it longer. Interviewing at her 445 00:19:34,184 --> 00:19:37,264 Speaker 2: story across It's an interesting thing, especially with Hayden because, 446 00:19:37,304 --> 00:19:39,304 Speaker 2: like we were saying before, we've been watching her, she's 447 00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:41,464 Speaker 2: been working, and it's the thing, people been making money 448 00:19:41,464 --> 00:19:44,024 Speaker 2: off this girl since she was a tiny child, and 449 00:19:44,104 --> 00:19:46,784 Speaker 2: so getting her back into work and getting her back 450 00:19:46,784 --> 00:19:49,504 Speaker 2: into doing press is also going to support this big 451 00:19:49,544 --> 00:19:51,064 Speaker 2: team that has a duty of care. But at the 452 00:19:51,104 --> 00:19:53,944 Speaker 2: same time, her management team's only making money off her 453 00:19:53,984 --> 00:19:55,824 Speaker 2: when she's doing press like this. So that's the kind 454 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:58,304 Speaker 2: of thing is like, can you even trust your team to, 455 00:19:58,824 --> 00:20:01,104 Speaker 2: you know, be looking after you when you're their meal ticket? 456 00:20:01,504 --> 00:20:04,144 Speaker 2: And I think also it's interesting with her because everyone 457 00:20:04,184 --> 00:20:06,664 Speaker 2: grew up with her being this like golden girl child 458 00:20:06,784 --> 00:20:09,464 Speaker 2: actress and everyone like thinking she was amazing and like 459 00:20:09,464 --> 00:20:11,064 Speaker 2: I said, she said all these like role so we 460 00:20:11,104 --> 00:20:13,824 Speaker 2: all love her. But then for the last five years 461 00:20:14,384 --> 00:20:17,704 Speaker 2: we've mostly been seeing this kind of like trauma in 462 00:20:17,744 --> 00:20:19,904 Speaker 2: her life. Some of the pat poters of her when 463 00:20:19,984 --> 00:20:22,664 Speaker 2: she was deep in like postpartum depression, substance abuse are 464 00:20:22,744 --> 00:20:26,864 Speaker 2: quite extreme. There were allegations of domestic abuse against Brian Hickerson, 465 00:20:26,944 --> 00:20:28,704 Speaker 2: who was her boyfriend, and then it came out that 466 00:20:28,784 --> 00:20:31,184 Speaker 2: after that had happened, they got back together, and so 467 00:20:31,224 --> 00:20:33,784 Speaker 2: there was a lot of backlash around that. A lot 468 00:20:33,784 --> 00:20:35,424 Speaker 2: of stuff happened with her daughter, and we don't even 469 00:20:35,424 --> 00:20:37,504 Speaker 2: know all the details, or we just know that she 470 00:20:37,544 --> 00:20:39,664 Speaker 2: lives in Europe with her father, and Hayden talks about 471 00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:41,824 Speaker 2: seeing her that she's not her you know, full time care. 472 00:20:41,944 --> 00:20:44,504 Speaker 2: There's a huge amount of backlash over that. And so 473 00:20:45,064 --> 00:20:47,504 Speaker 2: we already have this all this information about this young 474 00:20:47,504 --> 00:20:49,904 Speaker 2: woman being like, oh, she's damaged, she's this, she's that, 475 00:20:49,984 --> 00:20:51,424 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are taking that 476 00:20:51,504 --> 00:20:52,384 Speaker 2: into this interview. 477 00:20:52,464 --> 00:20:53,064 Speaker 1: Yeah. 478 00:20:53,064 --> 00:20:55,304 Speaker 2: And also it's like if you give an interview and 479 00:20:55,384 --> 00:20:57,344 Speaker 2: you sit down willingly to give it, I don't know, 480 00:20:57,384 --> 00:20:57,944 Speaker 2: it's a hard way. 481 00:20:57,984 --> 00:21:00,544 Speaker 3: I think in the beginning, like she knew she didn't 482 00:21:00,584 --> 00:21:02,704 Speaker 3: sleep for two days. A team knew that. I think 483 00:21:02,704 --> 00:21:04,504 Speaker 3: it was one of those things where it's like, hey, 484 00:21:04,544 --> 00:21:08,784 Speaker 3: can we redo this interview like in another few days 485 00:21:08,824 --> 00:21:11,544 Speaker 3: or a week, because like she has interviewed for people before, 486 00:21:11,584 --> 00:21:13,464 Speaker 3: like I got in your interview, like I think, only 487 00:21:13,464 --> 00:21:16,304 Speaker 3: a few years ago and completely fine. 488 00:21:16,144 --> 00:21:18,304 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. You also got to think of something like 489 00:21:18,304 --> 00:21:20,264 Speaker 2: this as a print deadline, all those kind of things, 490 00:21:20,304 --> 00:21:22,024 Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of different things at work. I 491 00:21:22,024 --> 00:21:24,024 Speaker 2: guess we're going around in circles there, and there's there's 492 00:21:24,064 --> 00:21:26,704 Speaker 2: no easy, definitive answer. But I would say, like I 493 00:21:26,824 --> 00:21:29,984 Speaker 2: don't judge people for running the initial interview because I 494 00:21:29,984 --> 00:21:31,784 Speaker 2: think if someone sits down and gives you their story, 495 00:21:32,144 --> 00:21:34,984 Speaker 2: then it's fair play to put it out there. I 496 00:21:35,024 --> 00:21:36,864 Speaker 2: think I'd just be more interested in, like the role 497 00:21:36,944 --> 00:21:39,424 Speaker 2: her team played and what actually happened with her behind 498 00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:41,744 Speaker 2: the scenes, saying that she was uncomfortable with how it 499 00:21:41,784 --> 00:21:43,984 Speaker 2: was just stupid and not so the interview itself. And 500 00:21:44,024 --> 00:21:47,544 Speaker 2: I just hope as many people see her response as 501 00:21:47,624 --> 00:21:49,584 Speaker 2: are seeing these cut up videos, so you're getting more 502 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:51,504 Speaker 2: of the story and if you'd like to hear more 503 00:21:51,504 --> 00:21:54,344 Speaker 2: about Hayden Panetier's story. We've covered her in a lot 504 00:21:54,384 --> 00:21:57,424 Speaker 2: of different past episodes of the Spill interviews. She's given 505 00:21:57,704 --> 00:21:59,704 Speaker 2: issues that she's spoken about, so we'll link those in 506 00:21:59,744 --> 00:22:01,304 Speaker 2: the show notes if you want to take a listen. 507 00:22:01,584 --> 00:22:03,744 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 508 00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:07,344 Speaker 2: And before we go, Emily Vernon, a very special interview 509 00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:09,424 Speaker 2: that you did went live at the end of last week. 510 00:22:09,464 --> 00:22:10,984 Speaker 2: Did you just want to remind pep Oh. 511 00:22:10,864 --> 00:22:13,624 Speaker 3: My god, if you haven't listened, please do because I 512 00:22:13,864 --> 00:22:17,704 Speaker 3: interviewed the one and only Lapita Jongo for her upcoming movie, 513 00:22:17,744 --> 00:22:20,704 Speaker 3: The Wild Robot. It's out now. It actually came out 514 00:22:20,784 --> 00:22:23,504 Speaker 3: last week. I talked about it a lot in last 515 00:22:23,504 --> 00:22:25,624 Speaker 3: week's episode, but if you haven't watched it, I highly 516 00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:28,864 Speaker 3: encourage you to do so. We discussed in depth about 517 00:22:28,904 --> 00:22:31,024 Speaker 3: all the themes in the movie, as well as how 518 00:22:31,064 --> 00:22:33,464 Speaker 3: we both had to call our mom straight after watch 519 00:22:33,544 --> 00:22:36,184 Speaker 3: that she was so brilliant. We will put that episode 520 00:22:36,264 --> 00:22:38,784 Speaker 3: in our show notes. Thank you so much for listening 521 00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:40,664 Speaker 3: to this episode of the Spill today. We will be 522 00:22:40,744 --> 00:22:43,144 Speaker 3: back here in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 523 00:22:43,224 --> 00:22:49,104 Speaker 2: Bye bye. L