WEBVTT - Can I Pay $500 For A New Face?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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<v Speaker 2>that this podcast is recorded on. What's wrong with your face?

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<v Speaker 2>That's easy, absolutely nothing. What do you think is wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with your face? That's easy too, absolutely everything. My top

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<v Speaker 2>lip is disappearing, my eyelids are falling into my eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>my eyebrows are thinning, my sun spots are spreading. There's

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<v Speaker 2>more baggage under my eyes and under my arms. My

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<v Speaker 2>forehead is a game of noughts and crosses. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>lines pointing down to my lips. This is you talking

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<v Speaker 2>about your faces when I asked you, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>me talking about mine. If I was being really honest

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<v Speaker 2>sitting here, I'd be like, oh, my neck is drooping.

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<v Speaker 2>My chin is a whole depressing right that we can

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<v Speaker 2>all find so many faults in ourselves. Well, yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>also no, After all, whose fault is it that we

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<v Speaker 2>swim in soup? As I like to say of beauty standards,

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<v Speaker 2>that really all have one benchmark, and it's youth, young, taught, tight, smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>Even it takes the willpower and self resolve of a

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<v Speaker 2>busy saint not to ever worry about what time and

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<v Speaker 2>age is doing to make our outsides look so different

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<v Speaker 2>from the way we feel on the inside. I'm Holly Wainwright,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am mid and today I'm putting judgments, and

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<v Speaker 2>believe me, I have plenty of them, of course, almost

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<v Speaker 2>all directed at myself on the shelf. And I've invited

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's in one of the fastest growing industries in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. That's the cosmetic treatment industry. These days, it's

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<v Speaker 2>usually called esthetics, which is a word I always struggle

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<v Speaker 2>to say. But she's in esthetics. What she's seen and

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<v Speaker 2>what she would suggest that we all do about that

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<v Speaker 2>laundry list of perceived faults that you sent me, Because

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<v Speaker 2>we're answering your dilemmas here this season on MID, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I'm calling smart women to help to

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<v Speaker 2>solve our problems. Remember this advice about your faces is

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<v Speaker 2>only relevant if you want to do anything to them,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can, if you can afford it, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>happy to step into that world and onto that Ferris wheel.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you met Dr Naomi, who's called Naomi mccllum,

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<v Speaker 2>but she almost always is just called Dr Naomi on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and everywhere else in real life. You'd have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea how old she is, but you would be able

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<v Speaker 2>to tell that she's done quite a bit of work

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<v Speaker 2>to her face. And she has, and she has absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>no shame or shade about it, and nor should she.

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<v Speaker 2>It's her business, it's her world. She's obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 2>She sent me because I asked her and she very

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<v Speaker 2>politely said yes, sent me a list of all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that she's done over the years to herself, because

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<v Speaker 2>she says she's been a cosmetic doctor and a cosmetic

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<v Speaker 2>patient for twenty five years now. And remember, she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>describe her approach to all this stuff as moderate or

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<v Speaker 2>ordinary or anything but just deep breaths. Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the list that DoD to Naomi sent me.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhinoplasty at least six times. That's a nose job, friends,

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy tuck times three, and upper bleff. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what nupper bluff is. Breast reduction two maybe

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<v Speaker 2>three times, LiPo eight times. That's lipos suction including arms, legs, trunk, neck,

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<v Speaker 2>most multiple times she says face and neck lift, hair

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<v Speaker 2>transplant times two, liplift times three, jaw widening surgery, orthodontic

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<v Speaker 2>she says arm lift. She also says every nonsurgical procedure

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<v Speaker 2>many times full body freckle and mole removal, a blative laser,

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<v Speaker 2>full field and fractionated and of course injectables. Now, Naomi

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<v Speaker 2>says that she doesn't have any plans for any more

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<v Speaker 2>cosmetic surgery for about seven years. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>if that's shocking to you, and of course it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, how are we talking to this person

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<v Speaker 2>about like what I would call ordinary and inverted commons people,

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<v Speaker 2>which is people who aren't going to go that far.

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<v Speaker 2>She runs a clinic that she's been running for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. I'm now in Sydney's fancies and suburbs, and

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<v Speaker 2>also one in the city that do all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>beauty treatments. And because she's lived and breed this for

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<v Speaker 2>so long and it's her world and she's obsessed with it,

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<v Speaker 2>she knows everything about it, and she is refreshingly honest

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<v Speaker 2>and non judgmental about it. Obviously, I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I'm sitting next to a woman who has

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<v Speaker 2>done all kinds of things to herself in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>chasing perfection, and I you know, oh god, I use

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<v Speaker 2>some fancy serums sometimes have had a bit of laser,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's where it stops for me so far. But

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<v Speaker 2>she's actually very non judgmental. Of course, there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of kind of moral and ethical questions that swirl

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<v Speaker 2>around in this world, and certainly swirl around in the

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<v Speaker 2>world of cosmetic surgery, but that's actually not what we're

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<v Speaker 2>here to talk about today. What we're here to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about today with Dr Naomi, who knows a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff firsthand and as an expert and qualified practitioner, are

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<v Speaker 2>the questions that you sent in and she is unflinchingly

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<v Speaker 2>honest about it. She's also going to tell you why

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<v Speaker 2>you should never take a picture of christ Jenna's new

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<v Speaker 2>face into a cosmetic doctor and say I want one

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<v Speaker 2>like that. No, Instead, she's going to spill the face

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<v Speaker 2>secrets of the brave, the loaded, the just plane curious.

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<v Speaker 2>And please note, friends, as we've told you before, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this kind of stuff here in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>we're lucky enough to be bound by pretty strict rules

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to discussing and certainly promoting any specific

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<v Speaker 2>cosmetic procedures or health treatments. So if you wonder why

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<v Speaker 2>the good doctor is being a little bit vague at times.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Naomi, thank you so much for joining us today. So

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<v Speaker 2>I asked the mid audience. I said, send me your

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<v Speaker 2>dilemmas about your face. So no one's telling you that

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<v Speaker 2>you need to have dilemmas about your face. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you do send me some, do you think I got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot or a few?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we all know the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got a lot. Ton't know. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>them are very specific, and some of them have kind

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<v Speaker 2>of grouped together because these are the things that the

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<v Speaker 2>audience wanted me to ask you as the expert in

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<v Speaker 2>this space. So here's the first one. It's juicy. My

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<v Speaker 2>dilemma is about money rights hour listener. You're not an accountant,

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<v Speaker 2>she means you. You're not an Accountantnomi, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>how much all this stuff costs. She means beauty stuff obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>and tweakments and so on. And like a lot of women,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very tempted by fixing some of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>are making me sad when I look in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not sure that financially I can justify spending

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<v Speaker 2>that on my face. Can you give me an idea

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<v Speaker 2>of how much the most common anti aging procedures cost

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<v Speaker 2>and what women are spending on their faces.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the most common amount that people would spend would

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<v Speaker 1>be those who do their upper face wrinkles. So they

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<v Speaker 1>treat those and they do that three times a year,

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<v Speaker 1>spending about eight hundred. Yeah, that's a really common scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>So eight hundred each time. Yes, yes, right, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very very common. But then you know upwards from

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<v Speaker 1>their tens of thousand. For some people want to like

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<v Speaker 1>the most into it. People spend Oh, like, who'd hate?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's people who just come every month for something, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or even more frequently.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you think is it? One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that people often say is they're like, oh, I might

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<v Speaker 2>start with this, but then I'll get to that and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get to that. Is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>It can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It can happen. People can get carried away. Related to this,

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<v Speaker 2>someone says, if you could only spend actually this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of fit almost fits into what we're talking about. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you could only spend between five hundred and one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a year on skin treatments, what would you

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<v Speaker 2>spend it on? Could I have two thousand, Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>give you. Let's double that budget because let's break it.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, you know, sure, So I think two thousands a

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<v Speaker 1>bit easier for me. I could probably pull it back,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's just start it to and go down. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably we do a wrink all treatment twice a year,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I do the rest at home. So I'd

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<v Speaker 1>do home peals, I'd get a home led, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>do regular things at home myself. And obviously sunscreen and

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<v Speaker 1>that type of thing too.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a line where because I think that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things lots of women around my age are like,

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<v Speaker 2>I see, I love a boogie serum, right, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I probably spend more than I should on the

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<v Speaker 2>promise in a bottle. But there's a point at which

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<v Speaker 2>the bottle isn't going to cut it? Am I correct?

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<v Speaker 2>And so if I'm spending hundreds of dollars on skincare,

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<v Speaker 2>is there an argument that I might be better off

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<v Speaker 2>transferring some of that money into other more serious is

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong word, but you know, more heavy duty treatments.

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<v Speaker 1>So it depends on what you're trying to improve. So

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<v Speaker 1>different treatment will treat different things to what skincare will do.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I guess that's true. So when I say

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to generally look young and gorgeous, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not in a bottle. Okay, this next one, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get tweaks. But my partner would be so disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>in me if I did. Is everything women get done obvious?

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<v Speaker 2>Do lots of women manage to hide this stuff from

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<v Speaker 2>their partners? Do you think that's okay? Now? I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're not a therapist, Naomi, but you must have seen everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about the kind of things that women get

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<v Speaker 2>done and try and keep secret. So women hide it

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. So they hide the downtime, they hide

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<v Speaker 2>the financial aspect, so they'll put it on three cards.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll do it while the husband goes away. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they hide it because if you're getting certain things done,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to show. Obviously, that's kind of the point.

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<v Speaker 2>And the downtime and the downtime. Do you think it's okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Which part of it? Hiding it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess she's sort of saying, like lots of women.

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<v Speaker 2>Do lots of women manage to hide it? And do

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<v Speaker 2>you think it's okay that they do?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think I think people should be in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of their own bodies and yeah, and their bodies

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<v Speaker 1>are their business as well. I mean, if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really risky procedure, I think it's important to share

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<v Speaker 1>that with your partner.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that it's lessening like in the time

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<v Speaker 2>that you've been in this business, do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff, that kind of oh no, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you mean, I just had a good night's sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff is fading out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's way less hiding it, so much more transparency.

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<v Speaker 2>You think that's good? Yes, because you know how now

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<v Speaker 2>it's very common for say, celebrities to go online and

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<v Speaker 2>say I did this. I mean, we have stricter regulations

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<v Speaker 2>in this country for people to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you'll see a celebrity in American celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>go online and say I had exactly this, this is

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<v Speaker 2>my sir, and this is how much of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>I got blah blah blah. You're a big fan. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you've always marketed your business that way with lots

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<v Speaker 2>of transparency.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think it's an improvement.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the problem that people come to you with these

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of celebrities and go make me look like that

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult when the patient expectations are too high. Looks

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<v Speaker 2>like at the hairdressers, except with your face. Okay, here's

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<v Speaker 2>a good one. My partner is ten years younger than me.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been together for fifteen years and adore each other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never been a problem. But now I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm aging fast and I look so much older than him.

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<v Speaker 2>If you could recommend the most effective and not too

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<v Speaker 2>obvious procedures that would freshen me up, I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to know what you'd choose.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this lady needs a consultation, So one thing doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>suit everybody. Every face is different, and not just the

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<v Speaker 1>anatomical part, so we have to follow the medical procedures.

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<v Speaker 1>So take your history, do an examination, have a discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>get a consent. So from the anatomy point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to look at her and see something very

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<v Speaker 1>different to someone else. So for example, she might have

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<v Speaker 1>her mid face aged more than the rest of us face,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to focus on that. She might have

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<v Speaker 1>a really beautiful part of a face, like gorgeous eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we really want to keep them amazing. So everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>different anatomically, and everybody has a different risk tolerance, budget

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<v Speaker 1>downtime tolerance. So we really have to get into that

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<v Speaker 1>with everybody before we make a plan. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit hard to give a plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeap. So if I was to come to you to

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<v Speaker 2>your clinic for the first time and just say, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not asking you to do a consultation, all that

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<v Speaker 2>would be inappropriate, but like, I want to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>understand the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I would come.

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<v Speaker 2>In and I might say to you, look, i haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been doing anything, but I'm really getting you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really feeling I'm aging around my eyes and forehead or

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<v Speaker 2>my jowly neck or whatever, and we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>into specific soon. I would see a professional. They would

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<v Speaker 2>listen to my concerns. They would say, you could do this, this,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is that how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'd first talk about what you were concerned about,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'd just do an anatomical assessment. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>you actually have beautiful proportions. Thanks, Yeah, I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>really do. So you'd need sort of depending on what

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted, but yeah, a global sort of thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>because your proportions.

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<v Speaker 2>Are say global, you mean, so it means that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're looking at you you're not look nicely evenly proportioned,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's not one area that is. It's all looking

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<v Speaker 1>nice together. It's all as old as each other. You

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<v Speaker 1>probably started out with really nice proportions.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, so you'd come in, i'd see a professional.

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<v Speaker 2>They would give me a very individual Yes. Now, what

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<v Speaker 2>should people watch out for when they're doing that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing? Because so if I've never done that, what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm scared of is a it would be emotionally crushing

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<v Speaker 2>because someone's going to sit there with a pen and

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<v Speaker 2>tell me all the things that are wrong with my face.

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<v Speaker 2>These are my preconceptions. Can you tell me if they're

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<v Speaker 2>real or not. B They're obviously going to want to

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<v Speaker 2>upsell me because they're going to be like, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>could do this for two thousand dollars, or you could

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<v Speaker 2>do this for blah blah blah, and that. How do

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<v Speaker 2>I know that they've kind of got my best interest

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<v Speaker 2>at heart? If you like, So, what should you be

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<v Speaker 2>looking for when you're looking for a practitioner?

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<v Speaker 1>So what I think you should do is go in

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<v Speaker 1>with your boundaries and then share them. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>my budget, this is my concerns, this is my downtime.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my risk tolerance. The risk tolerance you really

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about once the practitioner has talked to

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<v Speaker 1>you about the risks. So you just said it yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>So risk tolerance you mean in terms of how much

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<v Speaker 2>of an operation you might want, like what you're willing

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<v Speaker 2>to how far you're willing to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so we'll do things where are the risks are temporary,

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<v Speaker 1>so a brow droup, a lid bruising, swelling, that type

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Then we'll do a little bit higher risk. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophic risks still at a low risk, but they're there.

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<v Speaker 1>So things like blindness, necross so quite serious risks and

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<v Speaker 1>some people just don't want that, so we'll just that's

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<v Speaker 1>so that's ruled out.

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<v Speaker 2>And a good clinician should be honest about that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>upfront and honest about that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we're obliged, yes, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So they shouldn't be like no, it's nothing, but the

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<v Speaker 2>other way really if anything, you're like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you need to give inform consent. Yes. Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after the break, I'm going to be doing something

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit mortifying and asking Dr Naomi about the

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<v Speaker 2>lines that have taken up permanent residency on my face,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I wanted to do something about it, what

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<v Speaker 2>would it be. We'll be right back. So I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you when I asked the mid audience about

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<v Speaker 2>their faces, and I always want to come from a

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<v Speaker 2>place of telling everybody like, you're beautiful, you do you,

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<v Speaker 2>But there were some very common areas of their over

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<v Speaker 2>forties faces that they wanted to know about.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the lines around my lips. I could have

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<v Speaker 2>written this, I hate the lines around my lips. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I gave them smoking when I was like twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, is this the cost? Is this the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of those years? Anyway, I didn't write this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the lines around my lips. How do I

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<v Speaker 2>get them fixed without getting a trout out?

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<v Speaker 1>That's really simple, with quite a simple procedure. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people talk like this. So they pull in

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<v Speaker 1>and we can use a product that will stop you

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<v Speaker 1>doing or minimize you doing that. And yeah, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>give you a trap pad at all, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the.

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<v Speaker 2>Lines because it's a very common area, isn't it? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it the smoking? It gave me these once upon a

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<v Speaker 2>time would be.

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<v Speaker 1>The smoking and the way you talk it.

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<v Speaker 2>Dammit, eyelids. Oh my god, I got a million, a

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<v Speaker 2>million dialammas about eyelids. How do you lift them? How much?

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<v Speaker 2>What's recovery?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How long does it last? These are the questions people ast.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, with the eyelids, we've got to work out is

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<v Speaker 1>it the brow? Is it the lid? And that that's

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<v Speaker 1>really important. So if it's the brow, we can lift

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit by stopping you pulling down with

0:17:46.447 --> 0:17:49.727
<v Speaker 1>the muscles. So we can do that really easily and

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<v Speaker 1>quite a low risk procedure with the eyelids if it's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a surgical case, so the lids are coming

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<v Speaker 1>down eventually, it's going to be a medical problem. So

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<v Speaker 1>the leads are going to come down over the pupils,

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<v Speaker 1>so you won't be able to see. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great esthetic area to do because you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>need it eventually anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what a lot of women would say that

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, suddenly I've got like wrinkly testicles on my

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<v Speaker 2>so's that's what you're talking about, and you can get

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of lift there. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you're allowed to say this or not, but is this

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<v Speaker 2>what I see everywhere on the internet is called an

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<v Speaker 2>upper bleath.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I am allowed to talk about this. Tell me so,

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<v Speaker 1>an upper bleaf is an upper bleph of plastic. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's where they do an excision of the upper eyelid

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<v Speaker 1>in the crease of the upper island.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so sort of in that crease where you put

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<v Speaker 2>your dark eyeshadow. Yes, they just cut a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>out of there and lifted up a bit. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>basically what an upper bleff.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, correct, right, And they sew it back together.

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<v Speaker 2>So you basically have a sort of a cut there

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<v Speaker 2>and they close it up. And what is that like

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of downtime, recovery and whether it's a permanent fix.

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<v Speaker 1>So nothing's permanent in cosmetic because we continue to age,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'd get ten years out of it. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the surgical procedure that we refer for mostly out

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<v Speaker 1>of anything else. So it's really common.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing it discussed a lot. And is that partly

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<v Speaker 2>because as you say, like, ultimately that will become a

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<v Speaker 2>medical problem. So people can kind of feel okay about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I should feel okay about anything, but you should.

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<v Speaker 2>But a browlift is a bit different. Now, browlift is

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<v Speaker 2>about lifting this part, right, And is that a surgical

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<v Speaker 2>thing or is that an injector?

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, it can be non surgical or surgical. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Oh do you want me to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>the downtime of the upper blurfroplasty? So the upper blur

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<v Speaker 1>for aplasty downtime is about seven days, so it's pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>And the satisfaction rate is really high for a surgical procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>So you could take a week off work really and

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<v Speaker 2>get that one done. And how much does it cost?

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<v Speaker 2>Ish necessarily what you charge, but broadly.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't do that procedure. But I've seen it cost

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere from two thousand to fifteen thousand, right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It just depends on the practitioner. Okay, this is very useful.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got we've done lines around the lips and

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<v Speaker 2>the eyelids. Oh no, crepy neck? Then I'm another one

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<v Speaker 2>identify with not my words, can you solve a crepy neck?

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<v Speaker 2>And if so, as above, how much, how serious a

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<v Speaker 2>procedure and what's recovery like?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So basically the patient's going to have to choose

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<v Speaker 1>how invasive they want to go, So anywhere from skincare

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<v Speaker 1>to home care, to inclinic devices, to inclinic injectibles to

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<v Speaker 1>surgical procedures. So basically you've got to work out your budget.

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<v Speaker 1>You risk your spectrum. Yeah, so it's such a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of things.

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<v Speaker 2>When I think about a crepy neck, I think about

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things. I think about the lost elasticity,

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<v Speaker 2>so like it's loosening yep, but also sometimes the skin

0:21:07.007 --> 0:21:09.887
<v Speaker 2>itself gets that. You know. Again, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>use derogatory terms, but like that Turkey skin, yes, can

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<v Speaker 2>the actual Turkey skin texture be fixed?

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<v Speaker 1>We can improve skin texture a lot, yes, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you said it's a spectrum everything from injections

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<v Speaker 2>to a surgical procedure.

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<v Speaker 1>But what works, Like the most invasive are usually the

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<v Speaker 1>most effective. Yeah, which would skin s would almost be

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<v Speaker 1>a lift in terms of tightness, that will be the best,

0:21:36.847 --> 0:21:39.207
<v Speaker 1>But skin quality you really do need to also work

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<v Speaker 1>on the skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I know you probably can't speculate about this, but

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<v Speaker 2>when we look at some of the women in Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>who are like sixty and look forty, often that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of it is this very defined jawline. What are they doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've definitely had neck lifts face lift.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so a neck lift would be at the far

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<v Speaker 2>end of that crapy neck situation and a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>injections and working on the skin text you would be

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<v Speaker 2>at the other end, right, thank you. This is another

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<v Speaker 2>interesting one. Under eye area looking hollow and dark because

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of women, they feel like they look

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<v Speaker 2>tired all the time. As you age and you stop losing,

0:22:18.247 --> 0:22:20.807
<v Speaker 2>you lose that volume there and they might not even

0:22:20.847 --> 0:22:23.487
<v Speaker 2>feel tired, but they look tired and it.

0:22:23.407 --> 0:22:26.407
<v Speaker 1>Makes them sad and people say things to them as well.

0:22:26.447 --> 0:22:29.007
<v Speaker 1>It's like allowed to say, oh, you look tired exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't say oh you look old. They'll say you

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<v Speaker 2>look tired. Are you all right? Can you do anything

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<v Speaker 2>about that hollowing out under the eyes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we can replace volume.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's something that's going to be hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. So some people could do fat transfer

0:22:46.927 --> 0:22:49.287
<v Speaker 1>in the area or you could use other things to

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<v Speaker 1>replace volume.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it quite common?

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<v Speaker 1>Very common, very common, very common and good results. There

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<v Speaker 1>are complications associated with under eye treatments, Yeah, very sensitive area.

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<v Speaker 1>It is fine skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Up. Next, what does Dr Naomi think about those celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>high profile facelifts that everybody's googling and taking into doctor's

0:23:14.047 --> 0:23:20.527
<v Speaker 2>surgeries jowls. We already discussed this, that's the necklift situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Are ordinary people really all getting facelifts these days? Every

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<v Speaker 2>way you look at the moment, somebody's saying facelift, deep plane, facelift,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah. Tell me about them? Do they happen so

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<v Speaker 2>ordinary people want to look good? Yeah? Don't they also?

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<v Speaker 2>Ordinary people a strange term, but I think they mean

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<v Speaker 2>like not famous and like wives of millionaire types.

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<v Speaker 1>H I think that I think it's really common.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's like, has there the way that

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<v Speaker 2>they work kind of improved or something like? I don't know,

0:23:55.487 --> 0:23:59.167
<v Speaker 2>does it has a facelift thing changed a lot over

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<v Speaker 2>the years or is it still the same procedure it's

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<v Speaker 2>always been.

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<v Speaker 1>I think doctors, non surgical and surgical have become better

0:24:09.327 --> 0:24:14.287
<v Speaker 1>at face design and looking at what's actually happened during

0:24:14.607 --> 0:24:19.447
<v Speaker 1>aging and then trying to reproduce it and doing a

0:24:19.447 --> 0:24:20.207
<v Speaker 1>better job at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you think that we've kind of just got

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<v Speaker 2>much more sophisticated. I think because you know, Hollywood stylets

0:24:25.687 --> 0:24:29.087
<v Speaker 2>were getting facelifts in the twenties, but I can't imagine

0:24:29.127 --> 0:24:29.567
<v Speaker 2>what that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, pioneers, thank you.

0:24:31.927 --> 0:24:35.967
<v Speaker 2>I know. Goodness. Okay, this is my nosiness really, and

0:24:36.007 --> 0:24:37.407
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you'll be able to answer me

0:24:37.487 --> 0:24:40.767
<v Speaker 2>or not. Okay, what's a procedure? Because you know how

0:24:40.807 --> 0:24:45.287
<v Speaker 2>everything sort of once seemed like it was the preserve

0:24:45.407 --> 0:24:49.047
<v Speaker 2>of Hollywood stars and millionaires wives. As I say, what's

0:24:49.087 --> 0:24:52.247
<v Speaker 2>something you think that everybody's doing? Now, it's like kind

0:24:52.287 --> 0:24:54.807
<v Speaker 2>of the preserve of the few that everyone will be

0:24:54.847 --> 0:24:56.247
<v Speaker 2>doing in a few years.

0:24:56.367 --> 0:25:02.767
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I feel like it doesn't necessarily work that way.

0:25:02.927 --> 0:25:03.527
<v Speaker 2>Oh tell me.

0:25:03.887 --> 0:25:08.447
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot of well your words, ordinary

0:25:09.247 --> 0:25:14.127
<v Speaker 1>beauty achievers doing these innovative things at the same time

0:25:14.167 --> 0:25:17.567
<v Speaker 1>as everybody else. Yeah, I think that it's always been

0:25:17.567 --> 0:25:18.127
<v Speaker 1>that way.

0:25:18.367 --> 0:25:21.127
<v Speaker 2>And you think that it's it's not like a trickle down,

0:25:21.167 --> 0:25:23.967
<v Speaker 2>whether there's I don't or whispering about it, I don't

0:25:23.967 --> 0:25:26.527
<v Speaker 2>think so, no, what well, then let's put it this way.

0:25:26.567 --> 0:25:29.447
<v Speaker 2>What are some of the sort of newer, more exciting

0:25:29.527 --> 0:25:33.407
<v Speaker 2>things you're seeing in anti aging that or you know,

0:25:33.487 --> 0:25:35.807
<v Speaker 2>aging better or whatever words we want to put around that.

0:25:36.167 --> 0:25:39.607
<v Speaker 1>So I can't go into it too much, sadly, but

0:25:40.167 --> 0:25:45.007
<v Speaker 1>the regenerative things so you're regoran and some other types

0:25:45.047 --> 0:25:48.887
<v Speaker 1>of things. Regoran is the salmon DNA.

0:25:49.607 --> 0:25:51.567
<v Speaker 2>Now, Lee Campbell told me a little bit about this,

0:25:51.687 --> 0:25:53.647
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think I understood quite what we were

0:25:53.647 --> 0:25:55.167
<v Speaker 2>talking about. Can you talk me through that.

0:25:55.487 --> 0:25:57.847
<v Speaker 1>The most popular area for it is under the eyes.

0:25:58.087 --> 0:26:02.247
<v Speaker 2>Ah, and it works because what stimulates what's there the

0:26:02.327 --> 0:26:05.647
<v Speaker 2>collagen yep. Okay, so that's one of the things I

0:26:05.687 --> 0:26:06.807
<v Speaker 2>could do for my hollow.

0:26:06.647 --> 0:26:10.727
<v Speaker 1>Under us They're not that actually, Oh, thank you.

0:26:11.087 --> 0:26:14.087
<v Speaker 2>And what trends are you seeing in terms of what

0:26:14.167 --> 0:26:17.807
<v Speaker 2>women are coming to you and your clinic about?

0:26:18.607 --> 0:26:22.807
<v Speaker 1>So people really want to be natural, they want really

0:26:22.807 --> 0:26:29.887
<v Speaker 1>good skin. They're not really freaking out about aging. They

0:26:29.967 --> 0:26:32.127
<v Speaker 1>just want to They just want to look great.

0:26:32.967 --> 0:26:34.887
<v Speaker 2>So it's not that they come in and say, make

0:26:34.927 --> 0:26:38.087
<v Speaker 2>me look dirty again. No, they're saying, just make me

0:26:38.127 --> 0:26:41.087
<v Speaker 2>look good for where I am. That's good.

0:26:41.207 --> 0:26:46.287
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And sometimes it's just a specific thing. So people

0:26:46.527 --> 0:26:50.527
<v Speaker 1>just can have one area that bugs them in particular,

0:26:50.687 --> 0:26:53.247
<v Speaker 1>so you help with that. Some people are more generalized.

0:26:53.287 --> 0:26:55.087
<v Speaker 2>But how do you feel about aging?

0:26:56.807 --> 0:27:00.447
<v Speaker 1>I'm grateful for aging and I'll just do all the procedures.

0:27:00.927 --> 0:27:02.567
<v Speaker 2>And you're like you have which you have for a

0:27:02.607 --> 0:27:03.167
<v Speaker 2>long time.

0:27:04.247 --> 0:27:07.967
<v Speaker 1>So I did it more for beauty when I was younger, Yes, yeah,

0:27:08.047 --> 0:27:10.847
<v Speaker 1>rather than for aging. But I'll do everything for aging.

0:27:11.287 --> 0:27:15.727
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it for content, which you do well.

0:27:16.327 --> 0:27:18.647
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's that sick? Do you remember ages ago,

0:27:18.727 --> 0:27:21.767
<v Speaker 2>Kim Kardashian said something like I can't remember what the

0:27:21.807 --> 0:27:23.687
<v Speaker 2>quote was, but it was something like, I'd rob dog

0:27:23.727 --> 0:27:25.487
<v Speaker 2>poo on my face if they told me it would

0:27:25.487 --> 0:27:29.447
<v Speaker 2>make me look younger. Do you think that that when

0:27:29.487 --> 0:27:31.607
<v Speaker 2>you say that women are coming to you and are saying,

0:27:31.687 --> 0:27:33.687
<v Speaker 2>I just want to have good skin and I want

0:27:33.727 --> 0:27:36.367
<v Speaker 2>to look good. They're not saying I want to look younger.

0:27:36.367 --> 0:27:37.527
<v Speaker 2>They're saying I want to look good.

0:27:38.287 --> 0:27:40.047
<v Speaker 1>I think they want to look younger, but it's not

0:27:40.087 --> 0:27:43.127
<v Speaker 1>an obsession. It's more they just want to look great

0:27:43.447 --> 0:27:46.367
<v Speaker 1>and natural and fix certain things.

0:27:47.047 --> 0:27:49.887
<v Speaker 2>Because you started having procedures early, because you know it's

0:27:49.927 --> 0:27:51.927
<v Speaker 2>your world, and as you say, you did it for beauty,

0:27:52.447 --> 0:27:54.567
<v Speaker 2>did it kind of preempt a lot of aging stuff

0:27:55.767 --> 0:27:58.647
<v Speaker 2>as a do you think they're kind of held that back?

0:27:58.847 --> 0:28:01.167
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't think a lot.

0:28:02.007 --> 0:28:06.167
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Maybe is there anything you're too scared to do?

0:28:06.207 --> 0:28:08.247
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm scared to do? And I'm dying

0:28:08.327 --> 0:28:11.287
<v Speaker 1>to do it, not even will it's sort of cosmetic,

0:28:11.367 --> 0:28:16.487
<v Speaker 1>but it's not. It's I want to get lens implant.

0:28:16.647 --> 0:28:18.727
<v Speaker 1>So lens transplant for my eyes.

0:28:18.807 --> 0:28:19.447
<v Speaker 2>What does that do?

0:28:19.927 --> 0:28:21.927
<v Speaker 1>So glasses?

0:28:22.287 --> 0:28:23.287
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you mean like.

0:28:23.327 --> 0:28:28.287
<v Speaker 1>I'm too scared or any cosmetic procedure anything, But I'm

0:28:28.327 --> 0:28:29.087
<v Speaker 1>scared of that.

0:28:29.087 --> 0:28:31.327
<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting. Yeah, glasses are really great, by the

0:28:31.327 --> 0:28:33.927
<v Speaker 2>way you you don't need to get rid of them.

0:28:34.927 --> 0:28:37.687
<v Speaker 2>And what do you think when people And I'm definitely

0:28:37.687 --> 0:28:40.567
<v Speaker 2>guilty of this because I'm a bit I can't. I

0:28:40.607 --> 0:28:42.767
<v Speaker 2>have this ongoing battle with myself. And this isn't a

0:28:42.767 --> 0:28:45.967
<v Speaker 2>philosophical discussion, but I'm just interested on your perspective. I

0:28:46.007 --> 0:28:50.807
<v Speaker 2>have this ongoing battle with myself about like accept yourself right,

0:28:50.887 --> 0:28:53.527
<v Speaker 2>Like stop looking in the mirror and picking out all

0:28:53.567 --> 0:28:56.487
<v Speaker 2>the things that you hate or don't look like they

0:28:56.487 --> 0:28:59.647
<v Speaker 2>did five years ago. Like to me, I kind of

0:28:59.647 --> 0:29:01.567
<v Speaker 2>almost set that as a bit of a challenge to

0:29:01.647 --> 0:29:06.407
<v Speaker 2>myself versus, no, I don't like that, I should fix it.

0:29:06.487 --> 0:29:08.647
<v Speaker 2>Do you think there's like two types of people.

0:29:08.647 --> 0:29:12.087
<v Speaker 1>Oh? No, I've got a rule for patients. So my

0:29:12.247 --> 0:29:16.247
<v Speaker 1>rule is just be happy with what you have at

0:29:16.247 --> 0:29:20.407
<v Speaker 1>the time and think Okay, well maybe I want to

0:29:20.487 --> 0:29:23.687
<v Speaker 1>change that. When the time comes that I have the budget,

0:29:23.687 --> 0:29:27.687
<v Speaker 1>the downtime, the risk tolerance, I'll just do it. Then

0:29:28.127 --> 0:29:29.767
<v Speaker 1>I'll wake up one day and then I'll do it.

0:29:29.847 --> 0:29:33.367
<v Speaker 1>But be happy with what I have until that day,

0:29:33.487 --> 0:29:36.527
<v Speaker 1>and then have it and then be happy. Just always

0:29:36.567 --> 0:29:39.367
<v Speaker 1>be happy, because yeah, why not.

0:29:39.927 --> 0:29:44.127
<v Speaker 2>Do you think our expectations of what we what can

0:29:44.167 --> 0:29:47.927
<v Speaker 2>be achieved have become a bit ridiculous.

0:29:48.327 --> 0:29:48.607
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:29:49.367 --> 0:29:51.367
<v Speaker 2>Do you have women who come in and say, I

0:29:51.367 --> 0:29:52.847
<v Speaker 2>want to look like I did when I was thirty?

0:29:53.687 --> 0:29:59.327
<v Speaker 1>I think so people who work in cosmetic will all

0:29:59.327 --> 0:30:04.447
<v Speaker 1>be a bit annoyed with the filter use in the

0:30:04.487 --> 0:30:08.327
<v Speaker 1>before and after. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, like christian

0:30:08.487 --> 0:30:11.767
<v Speaker 1>is fatally free example, it's not going to look like

0:30:11.887 --> 0:30:15.367
<v Speaker 1>that in real life, and so that that's a bit annoying.

0:30:15.967 --> 0:30:19.407
<v Speaker 2>So when the Christianna's of the world come out and

0:30:19.447 --> 0:30:23.727
<v Speaker 2>she's what sixty something maybe I don't know, but she

0:30:23.847 --> 0:30:27.287
<v Speaker 2>suddenly looks like she's wearing a new face, is that

0:30:27.407 --> 0:30:29.087
<v Speaker 2>good for business or bad for business?

0:30:29.207 --> 0:30:31.167
<v Speaker 1>I think it'd be really good if we saw more

0:30:31.407 --> 0:30:34.567
<v Speaker 1>realistic photos, that's all, rather.

0:30:34.367 --> 0:30:37.367
<v Speaker 2>Than just presenting that here's me and she's it's already

0:30:37.367 --> 0:30:38.167
<v Speaker 2>been like.

0:30:38.487 --> 0:30:41.687
<v Speaker 1>Ed and edited and yeah, right, that'd be better for

0:30:41.727 --> 0:30:43.287
<v Speaker 1>our industry because then people.

0:30:43.167 --> 0:30:45.207
<v Speaker 2>Are like, but I don't look like christ Jenna, and

0:30:45.207 --> 0:30:49.567
<v Speaker 2>you're like christ Jenna doesn't look like christ Jenna. Yeah,

0:30:49.607 --> 0:30:52.047
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting because celebrities do play a big part of

0:30:52.127 --> 0:30:55.327
<v Speaker 2>this in a way in that I think about all

0:30:55.327 --> 0:30:58.207
<v Speaker 2>the Generation X celebrities that I've grown up alongside your

0:30:58.287 --> 0:31:02.927
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Aniston's, You're Gwyneth Paltrow, as whoever, and you can't

0:31:02.927 --> 0:31:07.127
<v Speaker 2>help but compare yourself to them. What's your advice.

0:31:07.567 --> 0:31:13.407
<v Speaker 1>Stop comparing yourself to anyone celebrities or otherwise?

0:31:13.847 --> 0:31:16.807
<v Speaker 2>Do they also have Is there like an echelon there

0:31:17.287 --> 0:31:19.967
<v Speaker 2>that have access to a lot of stuff that probably

0:31:19.967 --> 0:31:21.767
<v Speaker 2>will filter down to the normal people.

0:31:22.087 --> 0:31:26.567
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's their job, so that that's different.

0:31:27.607 --> 0:31:31.207
<v Speaker 1>When beauty is your profession, it's a bit different to

0:31:32.807 --> 0:31:33.447
<v Speaker 1>the rest of us.

0:31:33.527 --> 0:31:36.887
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those of us who are just yeah, would like

0:31:37.007 --> 0:31:38.647
<v Speaker 2>to feel good about the way we look.

0:31:38.887 --> 0:31:39.807
<v Speaker 1>It's really different.

0:31:40.687 --> 0:31:43.407
<v Speaker 2>We're talking obviously about older women, but what about younger women.

0:31:43.407 --> 0:31:46.807
<v Speaker 2>Women seem to be getting treatments, treatments younger and younger.

0:31:46.847 --> 0:31:49.527
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps I don't know if that's true. What do you

0:31:49.647 --> 0:31:54.327
<v Speaker 2>think about that? And also for mothers of like young

0:31:54.407 --> 0:31:56.927
<v Speaker 2>girls who maybe are looking at their mothers getting treatments

0:31:56.967 --> 0:32:00.487
<v Speaker 2>and all those things, do you think that's become complicated?

0:32:01.727 --> 0:32:05.847
<v Speaker 1>So there are some areas on the face, some specific

0:32:05.887 --> 0:32:10.847
<v Speaker 1>areas which are really great to prevent issues with. So

0:32:11.647 --> 0:32:18.407
<v Speaker 1>a few of those areas would be frown line, crows feet, wrinkles,

0:32:18.727 --> 0:32:26.087
<v Speaker 1>and also plutismal bands. Okay, so the neck bands are

0:32:26.127 --> 0:32:29.527
<v Speaker 1>the bands that go down the front of your neck.

0:32:29.687 --> 0:32:32.607
<v Speaker 1>Some people have two at the front, a couple more

0:32:32.647 --> 0:32:37.447
<v Speaker 1>at the side, and if you clench your teeth, they

0:32:37.487 --> 0:32:41.887
<v Speaker 1>poke out and these shorten as you age.

0:32:42.367 --> 0:32:42.767
<v Speaker 2>I see.

0:32:42.807 --> 0:32:46.087
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So if you can put effort into prevention of that,

0:32:46.087 --> 0:32:48.967
<v Speaker 1>that and that the rest of it, we can. And

0:32:49.007 --> 0:32:52.327
<v Speaker 1>also another thing here can be some people just have

0:32:52.407 --> 0:32:55.447
<v Speaker 1>some meals of fat there. So there's a few areas

0:32:55.487 --> 0:32:57.807
<v Speaker 1>where it is important to get onto things.

0:32:57.567 --> 0:33:00.127
<v Speaker 2>Early to the point of whether or not if your

0:33:00.207 --> 0:33:03.807
<v Speaker 2>mum is doing all of this anti aging in inverted

0:33:03.847 --> 0:33:06.327
<v Speaker 2>commas and you're seeing that, like, do you think that

0:33:06.327 --> 0:33:08.127
<v Speaker 2>that's become quite complicated that.

0:33:08.607 --> 0:33:09.167
<v Speaker 1>In what way?

0:33:09.447 --> 0:33:12.007
<v Speaker 2>Well? I wonder if it makes young women fear aging

0:33:12.087 --> 0:33:15.967
<v Speaker 2>more or they think like my mom looks the same

0:33:16.007 --> 0:33:21.007
<v Speaker 2>age as you get a lot of people saying that

0:33:21.167 --> 0:33:26.327
<v Speaker 2>now with people with treatments and tweetness becoming more common,

0:33:26.967 --> 0:33:29.847
<v Speaker 2>that there's kind of like a generic age that everybody looks.

0:33:29.967 --> 0:33:34.687
<v Speaker 2>It's like somewhere around thirty eight. Do you think that's true?

0:33:35.127 --> 0:33:36.607
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know.

0:33:37.567 --> 0:33:40.247
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I generalize about that. No.

0:33:41.447 --> 0:33:46.447
<v Speaker 1>With the mother and daughter thing, sometimes just the beauty

0:33:46.487 --> 0:33:49.927
<v Speaker 1>achievement might even run in the family. It looks like

0:33:49.967 --> 0:33:54.207
<v Speaker 1>to me, so if the mum's motivated, the daughter can

0:33:54.247 --> 0:33:55.687
<v Speaker 1>be motivated that way.

0:33:55.927 --> 0:33:58.927
<v Speaker 2>I want you to explain the term beauty achievement to me.

0:33:59.687 --> 0:34:04.687
<v Speaker 1>So it's I guess it's just people's motivation to change

0:34:04.767 --> 0:34:10.327
<v Speaker 1>things or to improve things in their mind right, So.

0:34:11.647 --> 0:34:14.727
<v Speaker 2>Some people are more motivated to do that, yes, for

0:34:14.767 --> 0:34:17.487
<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, for whatever reason, and the reasons are their own.

0:34:17.567 --> 0:34:21.647
<v Speaker 2>But if they're focused on beauty achievement, as you're saying,

0:34:21.647 --> 0:34:26.087
<v Speaker 2>they're more likely to obviously invest both time and money

0:34:26.127 --> 0:34:30.087
<v Speaker 2>and effort. Should women be trying not to express themselves

0:34:30.127 --> 0:34:33.127
<v Speaker 2>to make their faces move less and get fewer wrinkles?

0:34:33.207 --> 0:34:38.687
<v Speaker 1>So I've seen patients who do that. What do you mean,

0:34:39.767 --> 0:34:46.407
<v Speaker 1>so they train themselves to not do it. I mean

0:34:46.647 --> 0:34:49.247
<v Speaker 1>I could not, but I have seen that.

0:34:49.607 --> 0:34:51.687
<v Speaker 2>I had this like epiphany moment of oh, this is

0:34:51.687 --> 0:34:56.087
<v Speaker 2>why people do it, because you can't talk without moving

0:34:56.087 --> 0:34:58.247
<v Speaker 2>your Fine, But what you're saying is that some people

0:34:58.287 --> 0:35:00.447
<v Speaker 2>are training themselves to not move their face to.

0:35:00.487 --> 0:35:03.327
<v Speaker 1>A very rare thing that I've seen. But I've seen

0:35:03.367 --> 0:35:06.807
<v Speaker 1>people who are that motivated that they can do it.

0:35:07.487 --> 0:35:08.087
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't.

0:35:08.607 --> 0:35:11.687
<v Speaker 2>What is the one thing procedure you have done that

0:35:11.727 --> 0:35:14.207
<v Speaker 2>you are like, that is the best thing I've done?

0:35:14.487 --> 0:35:17.647
<v Speaker 1>Hair transplant? Wow, hair transplant?

0:35:17.767 --> 0:35:20.127
<v Speaker 2>Did you get your hairline lowered? Is that what you did?

0:35:20.367 --> 0:35:24.007
<v Speaker 1>So? I got it reshaped? Tell me about that, okay.

0:35:23.807 --> 0:35:26.047
<v Speaker 2>And tell me why and what that takes, because that

0:35:26.087 --> 0:35:26.847
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a lot.

0:35:27.087 --> 0:35:31.007
<v Speaker 1>So being a cosmetic doctor, the problem is you just

0:35:31.007 --> 0:35:35.607
<v Speaker 1>see results of amazing procedures all the time. So one

0:35:35.647 --> 0:35:40.247
<v Speaker 1>of my patients a trans woman, so I've been treating

0:35:40.287 --> 0:35:44.447
<v Speaker 1>her for a long time. She looks incredible, so super feminine,

0:35:44.527 --> 0:35:48.927
<v Speaker 1>She's just amazing. And so she came back after having

0:35:49.247 --> 0:35:54.967
<v Speaker 1>a hair transplant and I just thought, that is just sensational.

0:35:55.167 --> 0:35:59.167
<v Speaker 1>You look so beautiful. Where'd you go? I'm doing it now?

0:35:59.607 --> 0:36:02.447
<v Speaker 2>Wow? And why did you want to have it.

0:36:02.407 --> 0:36:05.647
<v Speaker 1>Done because I saw the potential from seeing her before

0:36:05.647 --> 0:36:06.087
<v Speaker 1>and after.

0:36:06.287 --> 0:36:08.087
<v Speaker 2>How did you not like about your hairline?

0:36:08.367 --> 0:36:15.087
<v Speaker 1>So I thought that I didn't like the height of

0:36:15.127 --> 0:36:19.967
<v Speaker 1>my forehead, But then even I didn't even know until

0:36:20.087 --> 0:36:22.607
<v Speaker 1>after the procedure that actually it was the width of

0:36:22.647 --> 0:36:26.967
<v Speaker 1>my forehead that was going to be improved so much.

0:36:27.007 --> 0:36:28.207
<v Speaker 2>So what happens? How do you do it?

0:36:28.247 --> 0:36:31.207
<v Speaker 1>Okay? So what they do is they take a shape

0:36:31.207 --> 0:36:34.367
<v Speaker 1>of an eyepiece from the back of your head and

0:36:34.447 --> 0:36:39.047
<v Speaker 1>cut it out. Then there's six technicians sitting around and

0:36:39.047 --> 0:36:43.167
<v Speaker 1>they cut it all up into either ones, twos or

0:36:43.207 --> 0:36:45.687
<v Speaker 1>three's little hair follicles.

0:36:45.807 --> 0:36:47.687
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's so detailed.

0:36:47.927 --> 0:36:51.647
<v Speaker 1>I know, I was there for eight hours twice.

0:36:51.807 --> 0:36:52.127
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:36:52.287 --> 0:36:56.127
<v Speaker 1>And then they basically map out your new hairline and

0:36:56.487 --> 0:37:00.207
<v Speaker 1>dot where the individual follicles are going to go, and

0:37:00.287 --> 0:37:01.487
<v Speaker 1>then implant them.

0:37:02.087 --> 0:37:03.447
<v Speaker 2>I reckon. Lots of men gether.

0:37:03.887 --> 0:37:06.807
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's really common and the results are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, I see men in the public eye who

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<v Speaker 2>are aging well, and you think your hair looks better

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<v Speaker 2>than it did when you were How what's the downtime

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<v Speaker 2>on that must be significant?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's it's the most tedious procedure ever because waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for hair again, you look terrible, You look really weird.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have this weird tiny little hairs poking out

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<v Speaker 1>all around here and then that's I can't remember, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>for about a month and then they fall out and

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<v Speaker 1>then you just maybe a couple of months later, you

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<v Speaker 1>grow little hairs, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And how long till you've got the result you wanted?

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, then you've got to wait for that

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<v Speaker 1>hair to reach the rest of your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, yeah, I can imagine it's a long games.

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<v Speaker 1>Once it's done, though, amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, that's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Random, sorry, random, but I like it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got one more thing. Yeah, a lot of us,

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<v Speaker 2>as discussed by the audience, they're worried about their eyelids,

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<v Speaker 2>their necks, they're under eyes. Do you think, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know you don't, this isn't a critical but you obviously

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<v Speaker 2>look at women's faces in a very trained eye way

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<v Speaker 2>right the way that you said to me you're very

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<v Speaker 2>symmetrical or whatever you said, What do you think is

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<v Speaker 2>the most actually the most aging thing? Because I remember

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<v Speaker 2>a makeup artist once said to me that she thought

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<v Speaker 2>that less than wrinkles, uneven skin tone for example was

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<v Speaker 2>a very aging thing that you should try and focus

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<v Speaker 2>on fixing. And that was interesting for me to hear

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<v Speaker 2>that because it just made me realize that a trained

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<v Speaker 2>professional looks at your face in a different way. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think there's something we don't realize is aging that

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<v Speaker 2>is aging us?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's really hard. I mean, we really look at

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<v Speaker 1>eyes a lot. That's something we do look at eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think. And then from afar, we're not just

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<v Speaker 1>looking front onto, we're looking side on. So it's the neck.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean as we tend to look at ourselves front on on.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why you sometimes get that shot when you

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<v Speaker 2>see something, I mean in a window when you're walking

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<v Speaker 2>past the shop window.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh yeah. And I think when you're not

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<v Speaker 1>really focusing, you sort of looking at volume and contours

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. So oh, it all adds up.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Naomi. This has been very enlightening

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<v Speaker 2>my pleasure. Thank you, and I know you join me

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<v Speaker 2>in telling our audience like, don't worry about things you're

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<v Speaker 2>not worried about, but talk to a trained professional about

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<v Speaker 2>anything that you are. That the message we're leaving them with.

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<v Speaker 1>Be happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you mids for being with us through that. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you found it really interesting. I did, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you're enjoying this special dilemmas season of Mid. If

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<v Speaker 2>you are interested in all things beauty, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>also want to hear about things that don't involve any needles,

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<v Speaker 2>then you might want to go back and listen to

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<v Speaker 2>my conversation with Lee Campbell. We talked about all things

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<v Speaker 2>face and aging and beauty in our last season, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was everything from makeup to serums, to skincare, to creams,

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. And also she told us about the

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<v Speaker 2>salmon sperm stuff that Dr Dermie was talking about. She

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<v Speaker 2>told us she'd done that. So scroll back in the

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<v Speaker 2>feed listen to that. It's so good. Lead's just a legend.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for being with us on MID. If you

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<v Speaker 2>love our show, please review, please share, please tell a friend,

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<v Speaker 2>our team who helped us put this together. The executive

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<v Speaker 2>producer of Mid is Naima Brown. Our senior producer is

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Blackman, and we've had audio designed by Jacob Brown.

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