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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Tam Holland Here with the Oscars madness in

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Speaker 1: full swing, Mamma MIA's entertainment podcast, The Spill is covering

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Speaker 1: it all, from celeb highlights to what went down behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors. But of course everyone's favorite part of the Oscars,

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Speaker 1: or maybe just my favorite part, is always the fashion.

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Speaker 1: I caught up with the Spill team to dish about

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Speaker 1: the standout looks from the Red carpet. So to give

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Speaker 1: enjoy the inside scoop. Here it is from Mamma Mia.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 3: Laura Brodney.

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Speaker 4: And I'm em Burnham and coming up on the show.

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Speaker 3: Today, it is the moment we have been waiting a

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Speaker 3: whole year for. Is our Oscars Red Carpet Special. We're

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Speaker 3: going to be talking the best, worst, and most significant

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Speaker 3: We also need to talk about some scandals that happened

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Speaker 3: Red carpet together but had some sneaky behavior once insides.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get into all of that, but first

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Speaker 3: we know you guys sometimes get tired of this joke,

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Speaker 3: but we're not a fashion podcast. Emily and I don't

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Hello, My name is Tamara Holland. I am

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Speaker 1: a fashion editor and commentator and I've been talking about

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Speaker 1: celebrity fashion and red carpet style for about fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: even when nobody's listening. So people are listening, listening. I'm

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Speaker 3: So Tam is a guest host on Nothing to Wear,

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Speaker 3: our fashion podcast, also a fashion contributor to Mama Mia.

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Speaker 3: And in the years we've worked together, Tam on red

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Speaker 3: carpet days when I've looked at some of the red

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Speaker 3: carpet looks and just need to know, like who made that,

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Speaker 3: what's the significance of it? Is this a trend we

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Speaker 1: I do, I do. Look, I'm gonna be honest. For me,

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Speaker 1: this year's Red Carpet was missing a little bit of

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Speaker 3: As I was hoping someone would break the mold and

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Speaker 1: Now I'm kidding, But we did get a lot of

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Speaker 1: in SCAPAREI ought Couture by Daniel Rosebrey. I had this

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Speaker 1: While being interviewed, Ariana Grande said on the Red Carpet

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Speaker 1: It has a strapless, sculptural, pale pink bodice with this

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Speaker 1: She's hotel safe tonight, I know, but just flawless from Lupitza.

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Speaker 2: This is just, yeah, she's really bringing it this year

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Speaker 1: We're on her side. I mean, everyone's always on Selena's side.

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Speaker 2: I'm really bad explaining outfits, but evidently it's like he

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Speaker 3: But still he looked very comfortable and happy. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: He's the Men's Web.

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Speaker 1: Oh, but I'm proud of him. Why you wear some color?

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Speaker 1: That boy took a risk, don't you think.

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Speaker 4: Every girl we've ever known?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, a yellow suit? I love that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's the look I've pulled out for discussion because yes,

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Speaker 1: he wore the photo and can't even look at the picture.

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Speaker 1: It's a leather suit. It's quite a leather Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, EM's now grabbed the picture for those people listening

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Speaker 1: the pants are quite tight as well. The pants are cut.

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Speaker 1: Timmy scored this for the Red Carpet. It's quite like

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Speaker 1: what do you guys think? Didn't land for you?

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Speaker 3: He does look like a little Telly Tubby in his outfit.

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Speaker 3: But when I say I'm proud of him.

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Speaker 2: Imagine always he's watching and he's sitting down.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's why he hasn't moved all night. I've noticed

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Speaker 3: in like a weird way because normally when people theme

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Speaker 3: it's like Margot Robbie doing all her crazy, over the

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Speaker 3: That's usually what we see. But the fact that he

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Speaker 4: Quite he doesn't be like not Bob Dylan.

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Speaker 1: He's like he's too method. I would wear that.

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Speaker 4: She has no.

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Speaker 1: I looked it up yellow. I don't know if it's yellow.

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Speaker 1: I think historically Dylan has worn a bit of yellow

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Speaker 2: Because he's not really nodding to Bob Dylan, and then

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Speaker 4: He's actually so maybe now he's finally got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't doing the copy and paste Bob Dylan looks.

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Speaker 3: I actually think he looks more like Willy Wonka, an

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Speaker 3: underrated role for which he would not receive it right now.

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Speaker 1: Look, he's eccentric. He wants to be great guys, he

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Speaker 1: wants to be memorable. We get it. But I have

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Speaker 1: like the sexy raw like, yeah, okay, that's just that's

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Zoe Saldana. She won the Oscar

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Speaker 1: She's wearing custom San Laurent by Anthony Vacarello. Because I

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Speaker 1: people really wanted to see something else from her. Fine,

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Speaker 1: we got something different. Her gown had a netted bodice

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Speaker 1: Bubble hems are not an easy cell for anyone in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And then when we saw her on camera and the

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Speaker 4: Landed for me. Yeah, I didn't really like this dress?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: It had a sparkly top and then it went down

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Speaker 1: Talking about directional steal a bit more appealing, so high fashion.

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Speaker 3: have won. Your Oscar.

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Speaker 1: You can't recycle it all. Maybe not for your Oscar's moment,

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Speaker 3: Or just stopping along those kind of lines when you've

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Speaker 1: Can I make one more point though? And I haven't

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Speaker 1: if it's just flat out wrong, I might be reaching here.

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Speaker 1: To me, it feels ever so slightly reminiscent of Halle

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're both trail breezers because Zoe is the

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Speaker 1: So I mean, potentially it could be a subtle nod,

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Speaker 3: but yes, sent me over the edge. So even though

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look, she is gorgeous. So those are my faves.

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Speaker 1: I've got so much more I could talk about out

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Speaker 4: I thought that was so good.

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Speaker 3: I learned so much. I'm assuming you'll be posting more

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Speaker 3: on your Instagram. I am absolutely will.

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Speaker 1: I always do recaps for the audience, and we all

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Speaker 1: know the best go down at the Vanity Fair viewing

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Speaker 1: party and then the after party, So be sure that

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Speaker 1: I'll be recapping those two because I want to see

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Speaker 1: this playing. It's safe, There's gonna be some looks.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll put a link to TAM's instagram in

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Speaker 2: our show notes. Make sure you go check out and

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Speaker 2: also join her broadcast channels because that's literally where I

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Speaker 2: got all my information.

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Speaker 1: Oh bless you, I see you lingering in there. Thank you, guys,