WEBVTT - Jennifer Garner: An Awkward Call Out & A Conversation About Suddenly 30 [throw back] 0:00:11.189 --> 0:00:15.389 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and Maya 0:00:15.429 --> 0:00:18.669 acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this 0:00:18.749 --> 0:00:23.229 podcast is recorded on. Hello. Jennifer Ghana, you might have heard, 0:00:23.229 --> 0:00:26.389 has been in the headlines quite a lot lately just 0:00:26.429 --> 0:00:30.349 for living her life. The news stories have been quite silly, 0:00:30.389 --> 0:00:32.789 which is our favorite type of news story. Yes, they're 0:00:32.789 --> 0:00:36.309 things like Jennifer Ghana is glowing as she enjoys breakfast 0:00:36.429 --> 0:00:40.429 with ex Ben Affleck, or Ben Affleck loves being looked 0:00:40.429 --> 0:00:43.549 after by Jennifer Ghana a mid divorce with Jennifer Lopez. 0:00:43.589 --> 0:00:46.029 I've seen something that's like Ben Affleck, where every look 0:00:46.069 --> 0:00:48.909 says a Jennifer, you can't escape them. And another headline 0:00:48.909 --> 0:00:51.029 I've seen is Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gana are seen 0:00:51.109 --> 0:00:54.229 driving together in La after reuniting for Thanksgiving. It's like 0:00:54.269 --> 0:00:57.509 they co parent. They do me they do. That's probably 0:00:57.589 --> 0:01:00.309 so they are going to be entwined in each other's lives. 0:01:01.029 --> 0:01:04.149 We thought we would reshare our deep dive on Jennifer 0:01:04.149 --> 0:01:06.709 Ghana because there are some actual controversies and of course 0:01:06.709 --> 0:01:11.389 some silly stuff like a fantastic award winning didn't win 0:01:11.429 --> 0:01:16.229 any awards, Sir Lumma film called Suddenly thirty. Enjoy this 0:01:16.309 --> 0:01:18.829 episode and we will be back in your feed on 0:01:18.909 --> 0:01:31.509 Tuesday morning. Hello, and welcome to Cancel, the podcast that 0:01:31.549 --> 0:01:35.029 looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and sentences 0:01:35.029 --> 0:01:37.349 to them so we can all move on with our lives. 0:01:37.509 --> 0:01:40.509 I'm Klaire Stevens and I'm joined by Jesse Stevens and 0:01:40.589 --> 0:01:42.629 Jesse do you have a lazy girl story for us? 0:01:42.789 --> 0:01:45.069 I do. I have one which I feel like is 0:01:45.069 --> 0:01:47.749 going to be particularly relatable to both of us. It 0:01:47.829 --> 0:01:50.829 is from Claire. Oh, but not you, it hasn't I. 0:01:52.029 --> 0:01:55.069 My wedding dress was very fancy, with hand beating all 0:01:55.069 --> 0:01:57.669 over in a big train. At the end of the reception, 0:01:57.789 --> 0:01:59.429 I finally had time for something to eat, and I 0:01:59.469 --> 0:02:03.269 scoffed a few chocolate tarts, inadvertently dripping quite a bit 0:02:03.309 --> 0:02:05.589 of ganesh down the bodice of my dress. Because I'm 0:02:05.629 --> 0:02:07.789 a messy girl as well as a lazy girl. Bad 0:02:07.829 --> 0:02:10.509 Combo tried to wipe up the mess with an napkin. 0:02:10.709 --> 0:02:13.109 Bad idea. Chocolate now spread over a large portion of 0:02:13.109 --> 0:02:16.389 bodice and embedded in beadwork and lace. Very bad. When 0:02:16.429 --> 0:02:18.909 I returned from my honeymoon. I thought about getting the 0:02:18.949 --> 0:02:23.229 dress dry cleaned, quoted as three hundred and fifty dollars ridiculous. 0:02:23.429 --> 0:02:25.069 I thought I would just wash it in my bath 0:02:25.069 --> 0:02:27.869 tub with some sad wonder soap as a friend had done. 0:02:28.069 --> 0:02:30.509 Has turned out okay. I never got around to it, 0:02:30.549 --> 0:02:32.749 and the wedding dress is still hanging in its bag 0:02:32.829 --> 0:02:36.549 in my wardrobe. This year is my twentieth wedding adiventsy. 0:02:37.149 --> 0:02:39.269 I refuse to throw out the dress, as I might 0:02:39.509 --> 0:02:42.109 still get around to it one day. She's a lazy girl. 0:02:42.509 --> 0:02:44.709 Oh wow, how long did it take you to dry 0:02:44.709 --> 0:02:47.069 clean your dress? Very long time? And my dress was 0:02:47.149 --> 0:02:51.069 just in my boot. An amount of women with their 0:02:51.069 --> 0:02:53.949 wedding dress and their boot still Oh you got married 0:02:53.949 --> 0:02:56.829 five weeks ago. Oh your children have left home. Oh 0:02:56.909 --> 0:02:58.869 I know where your wedding dress is crumpled in the boot. 0:02:59.149 --> 0:03:05.309 If you are a robber listening, yes, rob cars, rob 0:03:05.349 --> 0:03:07.669 cut no, because then a rubber would rob a car. 0:03:08.029 --> 0:03:10.869 Take the dress and be like, get it dry clean 0:03:11.029 --> 0:03:13.629 before I sell it. This might be a you know, 0:03:13.869 --> 0:03:16.509 thousands of dollars this dress is worth. It's only going 0:03:16.549 --> 0:03:18.429 to take a few hundred to dry clean it. You 0:03:18.469 --> 0:03:20.349 do make a profit, but there's a job involved. There 0:03:20.389 --> 0:03:22.789 is a job involved, and the job of smelling men 0:03:23.189 --> 0:03:25.389 low because you know I sent my address to Norway. 0:03:25.949 --> 0:03:28.789 You did you sold your dress? Okay, here's something we've 0:03:28.829 --> 0:03:30.589 never talked about. I put mine up, being like anyone 0:03:30.669 --> 0:03:33.749 want to buy no bites? Shit? Well mine only had 0:03:33.789 --> 0:03:36.229 the one bite and she was in Norway? Okay? Was 0:03:36.269 --> 0:03:38.709 I offended? Yeah? You think you're gonna put you wedding 0:03:38.749 --> 0:03:40.229 dress up and everyone's going to go, this is the 0:03:40.269 --> 0:03:42.149 most beautiful wedding dress ever. I want to look like 0:03:42.189 --> 0:03:48.309 this on my day and everyone's everyone's like, oh nah, 0:03:48.389 --> 0:03:52.589 I think it's daky cool. I'll have a sitting in 0:03:52.589 --> 0:03:56.269 my wardrobe. I would really like the cash. The issue 0:03:56.309 --> 0:03:59.629 with the job of dry cleaning it is an issue 0:03:59.669 --> 0:04:03.149 of deadline because there's no deadline. There is no deadline. 0:04:03.189 --> 0:04:05.309 It's just my to do list has about four or 0:04:05.309 --> 0:04:09.349 five jobs of which they're just not to a clear deadline. 0:04:09.349 --> 0:04:11.549 So it's like, why would I do that today when 0:04:11.589 --> 0:04:13.989 I could do it tomorrow? Will you do it tomorrow? No? 0:04:14.069 --> 0:04:16.389 Because why would I do that tomorrow when I could 0:04:16.429 --> 0:04:20.509 do it later? And so life goes and then what 0:04:20.549 --> 0:04:23.669 you've done is you die and you've left someone the 0:04:23.789 --> 0:04:26.749 job of cleaning your wedding dress, and that person goes, 0:04:26.789 --> 0:04:29.989 why did today when I could do it later? And 0:04:30.229 --> 0:04:33.189 so no, no, what do we hand down through the 0:04:33.229 --> 0:04:37.269 family at gin Nash covered wedding dress so lovely? 0:04:37.749 --> 0:04:45.589 You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. The defendants 0:04:45.669 --> 0:04:51.949 are celebrities, the chargers are petty, the rulings are final. 0:04:53.789 --> 0:04:58.229 Jesse. Today we're talking about Jennifer Ghana. Hi, I'm jen 0:04:58.389 --> 0:04:59.309 Jennifer Garner. 0:04:59.549 --> 0:05:03.509 I just watched this down below kissing, and I just 0:05:03.509 --> 0:05:04.669 floated home in a cloud. 0:05:04.909 --> 0:05:10.629 Please welcome Jennifer Garner. Jennifer and Ghana is an American 0:05:10.669 --> 0:05:13.389 actress who you probably know from her roles in TV 0:05:13.469 --> 0:05:16.869 shows like A Liz and movies like Suddenly, Thirty Juno, 0:05:17.229 --> 0:05:22.029 Ghosts of Girlfriend's Past, Valentine's Day, Daredevil, Dallas Fires Club 0:05:22.189 --> 0:05:25.029 and so on. How many Jennifers have we done? Okay, 0:05:25.149 --> 0:05:30.109 Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Lawrence, Jennifer Anist, Jennifer Aniston. For all 0:05:30.149 --> 0:05:32.869 the famous Jennifers, do you know many in your life? Nah? 0:05:33.069 --> 0:05:36.229 I don't. I think it's a generational thing. I think 0:05:36.229 --> 0:05:39.989 it's a disproportionate amount of Jennifers that's become famous. Mary 0:05:39.989 --> 0:05:45.389 ben affleck care I said it great point, Jesse, what 0:05:45.629 --> 0:05:48.949 is your favorite Jennifer Garner movie? And or role? Was 0:05:48.989 --> 0:05:52.149 she in Pearl Harbor? We have discussed but minor role, 0:05:52.429 --> 0:05:55.229 minor role, minor role, But I did like that. I'm 0:05:55.229 --> 0:05:58.309 gonna say something unpopular. I didn't mind. Suddenly thirty, Jenna 0:05:58.389 --> 0:06:03.229 Rink couldn't grow up fast enough, so on her thirteenth birthday, 0:06:03.949 --> 0:06:07.509 Jeffers out the wishing dust. She only made one wish 0:06:07.869 --> 0:06:11.549 eighteen thirteen. I just want to be But I struggle 0:06:12.229 --> 0:06:16.989 with getting my head around magic in a film. Yeah, 0:06:17.109 --> 0:06:19.109 because I'm trying to go in order to keep watching 0:06:19.149 --> 0:06:21.669 this like Freaky Friday, in order to keep watching this, 0:06:22.469 --> 0:06:25.629 I have to I have to suspend my belief of 0:06:25.629 --> 0:06:29.749 how the world works, because this isn't possible what's happening. 0:06:29.869 --> 0:06:31.989 But I've got to be invested in you, in your feelings. 0:06:32.109 --> 0:06:34.749 It feels like a plot device. But you've either had 0:06:35.229 --> 0:06:38.989 a psychotic break in which case that's a plot point, 0:06:39.909 --> 0:06:42.589 or you're gonna wake up it with all the dream 0:06:42.629 --> 0:06:45.389 which is deeply unsatisfying. Or I've just got to play 0:06:45.389 --> 0:06:47.509 this game. I don't know if I can play this game. 0:06:48.069 --> 0:06:50.949 It's not real. So I don't know about that film. Okay, 0:06:51.189 --> 0:06:54.269 we'll talk more about that film. But my favorite Jennifer 0:06:54.269 --> 0:06:58.709 Ghana role where I think she just really was herself, 0:07:00.069 --> 0:07:01.509 like this is who I believe hard to beat. It 0:07:01.629 --> 0:07:02.789 was her role in Juno. 0:07:03.389 --> 0:07:07.509 Hi Brings You to them All Today. 0:07:07.829 --> 0:07:10.389 I was just shocking, you know, it's my girlfriend. I 0:07:10.429 --> 0:07:15.429 thought she played that so well. Is an excellent film. 0:07:15.469 --> 0:07:19.589 It is that I want to watch again, and I think, yeah, 0:07:19.669 --> 0:07:23.589 Jennifer Garner in it was just so believable. A note 0:07:23.629 --> 0:07:26.669 on Valentine's Day, Yeah, she was in it, along with 0:07:26.789 --> 0:07:33.149 literally everyone else Jesse simply everyone, simply everyone. There's also 0:07:33.189 --> 0:07:36.269 a movie called Mother's Day, celebrate the one day no 0:07:36.269 --> 0:07:39.669 matter what's happened between us here always my mother that 0:07:39.829 --> 0:07:43.109 connects us off or not. Who the world thinks. 0:07:42.829 --> 0:07:44.989 Wire Mother's Day? 0:07:45.509 --> 0:07:49.949 Oh yeah, people in that Julia Roberts, Oh gee, lots 0:07:49.989 --> 0:07:53.709 of people. Julia Roberts with a terrible haircut. Okay, because 0:07:53.789 --> 0:07:56.389 the other film, just like Valentine's Day in terms of 0:07:56.429 --> 0:07:58.549 everyone being in it was of course, he's just not 0:07:58.629 --> 0:08:01.989 that into and new Year's Eve and news eve that 0:08:02.109 --> 0:08:03.749 was we went through a stage where I was in 0:08:03.749 --> 0:08:05.429 a film and you know what, it was based on 0:08:05.709 --> 0:08:08.349 Love act Love actually Because on that, they were like, 0:08:08.469 --> 0:08:11.149 imagine a film where you just have heaps of famous 0:08:11.149 --> 0:08:13.709 actors on the poster. Yeah, that isn't what made Love 0:08:13.749 --> 0:08:16.989 actually great. It was a great film, absolutely, And then 0:08:17.149 --> 0:08:18.749 the Americans were like, we can do it. We've got 0:08:18.789 --> 0:08:21.429 twelve actors. Well, why don't you sit and write a 0:08:21.429 --> 0:08:23.949 script for a minute, Why don't you write a good 0:08:23.949 --> 0:08:28.309 script because Valentine's Day, it doesn't work. They got a 0:08:28.309 --> 0:08:29.789 bot to do it. They got a bot to do it, 0:08:29.909 --> 0:08:32.309 and it showed tonight. The chef is featuring a dish 0:08:32.349 --> 0:08:35.549 that he likes to call the lime Stinking Pig. Also 0:08:35.589 --> 0:08:39.109 a note, Jennifer Ghana was married to Ben Affleck between 0:08:39.109 --> 0:08:42.749 two thousand and five and twenty eighteen, long time and 0:08:42.789 --> 0:08:46.229 they have three kids together. And there are currently rumors 0:08:46.869 --> 0:08:49.909 you would know that Ben Affleck and j Lo are 0:08:49.949 --> 0:08:52.989 on the rocks. Yeah, I believe it, And yeah, the 0:08:52.989 --> 0:08:56.749 theory is that Jennifer Ghana has been speaking to Jennifer 0:08:56.789 --> 0:09:01.629 Lopez and like helping her through this and is also 0:09:01.669 --> 0:09:06.389 speaking to Ben and encouraging Ben to stay with Jen 0:09:07.589 --> 0:09:11.629 because Jen, she's such a Marri counsel, is very good 0:09:11.869 --> 0:09:14.629 for Ben. Jenny is good for Ben and she supported 0:09:14.709 --> 0:09:19.669 him through addictions. Jen lo Pez is good for Oh. 0:09:19.829 --> 0:09:21.749 I think Jen Garna good for Ben too. Yeah, she 0:09:21.829 --> 0:09:24.709 says Ben, you need Jen, and he says, which Jen. 0:09:25.349 --> 0:09:29.909 She says Jen you're currently married to? Just for logistical purposes, 0:09:29.989 --> 0:09:33.469 the one you're that that gen also for context. She 0:09:33.589 --> 0:09:37.549 does a lot of gardening on tiktop hell squash. There 0:09:37.629 --> 0:09:40.189 is not your neck. I've been waiting for the sunflower 0:09:40.269 --> 0:09:44.109 seeds to be ready. Cash. She's popping up very hash. 0:09:44.269 --> 0:09:46.749 Couldn't be less like j Loo. And I don't mean 0:09:46.829 --> 0:09:48.949 that as a slide, No, I just mean that as 0:09:49.349 --> 0:09:52.069 she's in a different place, whereas j Loo's like, this 0:09:52.269 --> 0:09:57.949 is me now on the met Gala carpet. Yeah, where's Ben, Jen, 0:09:58.589 --> 0:10:02.189 where's my Ben? You're Ben? He was my Ben. I'm 0:10:02.189 --> 0:10:05.589 a different gen bed go back to Jen, which gen 0:10:05.949 --> 0:10:11.109 et cetera. Yeah, it is. My structure for today is 0:10:11.109 --> 0:10:14.669 as follows, an awkward call out, a late night interview, 0:10:15.549 --> 0:10:18.909 an uncomfortable question. I love the ambiguity of all somebody 0:10:18.949 --> 0:10:22.549 two and suddenly thirty okay, good an awkward call out. 0:10:22.989 --> 0:10:26.549 It's two thousand and three. Jennifer Ganna is starring in Alias, 0:10:26.709 --> 0:10:31.309 and she's very, very famous. Jesse, could you ever watch Alias? 0:10:31.869 --> 0:10:34.989 I didn't, but there were girls at school who really 0:10:35.029 --> 0:10:36.349 liked it, and I kind of put it in the 0:10:36.429 --> 0:10:40.549 Buffy camp. You were an Alias personal? You were an 0:10:40.589 --> 0:10:43.589 Alias person? Was she a spy? Yes? It sounds like 0:10:43.589 --> 0:10:46.389 I would have liked that. I know, I know, I 0:10:46.429 --> 0:10:48.309 feel like do I feel like she was a magic spy? 0:10:48.869 --> 0:10:50.549 I feel like there was something in it that I 0:10:50.589 --> 0:10:54.109 just couldn't fully get around. Yeah, I watched it. No, 0:10:54.149 --> 0:10:57.229 I never watched it, but I never watched Buffy either. No. 0:10:57.669 --> 0:11:00.909 So she was doing the rounds because as well as 0:11:00.949 --> 0:11:05.149 promoting Alias, she was promoting her new movie Daredevil, which 0:11:05.229 --> 0:11:07.989 Ben Affleck was also in, and so she was on 0:11:08.309 --> 0:11:13.109 Conan O'Brien. He her if during Alias she used any 0:11:13.189 --> 0:11:16.149 spy skills she learnt from the show in real life, 0:11:16.709 --> 0:11:19.509 and she tells a story about how they kept the 0:11:19.629 --> 0:11:23.109 show's twists from her, like the scripts ahead of time. 0:11:23.349 --> 0:11:25.069 They don't want you to know writer's room, and it's 0:11:25.149 --> 0:11:28.829 completely closed off, particularly to actors, particularly to me. So 0:11:28.869 --> 0:11:30.749 she went into the writer's room and read all the 0:11:30.829 --> 0:11:33.229 notes about what was to come, and she used spy 0:11:33.309 --> 0:11:35.629 skills to get into the writer's room. That was the great. Sorry, 0:11:36.109 --> 0:11:39.509 But as she's telling the story, Conan O'Brien says, well, 0:11:39.549 --> 0:11:41.149 there's a time when you snuck into the room. And 0:11:41.189 --> 0:11:43.589 she says, snuck isn't a word. Conan and you and 0:11:43.629 --> 0:11:46.509 to Harvard, and you should know that that's funny. The 0:11:46.589 --> 0:11:50.749 audience cheers, collaps, she finishes the story. Then, after the 0:11:50.789 --> 0:11:54.589 ad break, ConA O'Brien returns holding a dictionary. He points 0:11:54.629 --> 0:11:57.389 out that snuck is a word. It is the past 0:11:57.389 --> 0:12:02.229 tense of sneak. According to Miriam Webster, the original past 0:12:02.309 --> 0:12:05.949 tense of sneak was sneaked, following the pattern of other 0:12:05.989 --> 0:12:09.629 regular verbs. However, snuck began to be used as an 0:12:09.669 --> 0:12:13.389 alternative past tense form in the eighteen hundreds and is 0:12:13.429 --> 0:12:16.789 now very common. Would you say snuck or sneaked, I'd 0:12:16.789 --> 0:12:19.869 say snuck. I'd say snuck, But I will say it's 0:12:19.989 --> 0:12:23.029 very a white man, I think it's she corrected him 0:12:23.069 --> 0:12:25.749 in the first place. Yeah, but where'd you get a dictionary? Like? 0:12:26.069 --> 0:12:28.069 Apparently one of the writers run it down during the 0:12:28.069 --> 0:12:32.469 ad break. He does it very well because he points 0:12:32.509 --> 0:12:35.349 it out. She does a bit of like an awkward face, 0:12:35.429 --> 0:12:38.149 and then he does like a cackle like villain laugh, 0:12:38.349 --> 0:12:46.989 knuck past and pass part of sneak. It's not mean 0:12:47.029 --> 0:12:49.349 to her the way he does it. It's like expert, 0:12:49.989 --> 0:12:52.149 Oh how he does it? Okay, all right, all right, 0:12:52.469 --> 0:12:58.149 So she looks awkward, like purposely performatively awkward. And this 0:12:58.269 --> 0:13:02.109 clip has done the rounds on TikTok and YouTube and 0:13:02.309 --> 0:13:05.389 a lot of people comment saying she didn't even apologize. 0:13:05.429 --> 0:13:08.109 She didn't even admit she was wrong, and it's like, 0:13:08.229 --> 0:13:09.829 I think it was meant to be funny. It's a 0:13:09.869 --> 0:13:14.709 talk show. She's acting awkward. It's humor. I will say, 0:13:15.549 --> 0:13:18.429 I don't enjoy being corrected on my past tense in 0:13:18.469 --> 0:13:21.549 a social setting. I don't. And that's what people are saying. 0:13:21.549 --> 0:13:24.629 They like, she tried to correct him and she was wrong. 0:13:24.949 --> 0:13:26.869 I mean, it was obviously a public interview, and she 0:13:26.989 --> 0:13:28.949 was quite funny bring up a Harvard thing. But like 0:13:28.989 --> 0:13:32.429 I have been in conversations and people like it's Luca 0:13:32.589 --> 0:13:35.549 and I oh, and I'm like, okay, me and Luke 0:13:35.669 --> 0:13:38.229 went to the zoo yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what 0:13:38.269 --> 0:13:41.549 I are you my English teacher. I don't like it exactly, 0:13:41.669 --> 0:13:44.309 so yeah, people do get riled up about that, think 0:13:44.349 --> 0:13:47.909 that she's a bit of a princess, But I say 0:13:48.109 --> 0:13:51.229 it's an interesting little back and forth and just a 0:13:51.309 --> 0:13:56.589 silly interview. Moving on a late night interview. During the 0:13:56.629 --> 0:14:01.989 same interview, she told a story that has gone viral 0:14:02.029 --> 0:14:05.549 for all the wrong reasons. Speaking about Daredevil, she shared 0:14:05.589 --> 0:14:09.189 an anecdote about how her co star Colin Farrell got 0:14:09.269 --> 0:14:11.749 a bit too aggressive in a scene where they were 0:14:11.749 --> 0:14:14.029 supposed to be kissing and she ended up with a 0:14:14.069 --> 0:14:17.549 swollen lip. The next day, he was biting her lip, 0:14:17.589 --> 0:14:19.189 and she goes on to tell this old story. Was 0:14:19.189 --> 0:14:22.949 she saying it lightheartedly? Yes, okay. She then joked that 0:14:23.229 --> 0:14:25.269 by the end of shooting the scene, Parah was treating 0:14:25.269 --> 0:14:27.109 her lip like a meal and pulling it out and 0:14:27.149 --> 0:14:29.229 putting ketchup on it like a joke about how much 0:14:29.229 --> 0:14:32.229 he was just eating her bottom lip. She says that 0:14:32.589 --> 0:14:34.509 she woke up the next morning and she walks into 0:14:34.549 --> 0:14:37.589 the living room and her husband at the time, Scott 0:14:37.989 --> 0:14:40.909 who she left and ended up with Ben Afflick, was 0:14:40.949 --> 0:14:45.989 sitting there in shock. And she says that her lip 0:14:46.189 --> 0:14:48.869 looked like one of those African women with a plate 0:14:48.909 --> 0:14:52.829 in their mouths. Oh no, okay. This was two thousand 0:14:52.909 --> 0:14:55.229 and three, all right, all right, two thousand and three, 0:14:55.269 --> 0:14:58.429 And what has happened is people have taken this interview, 0:14:59.029 --> 0:15:02.269 resurfaced it, put it everywhere. You wouldn't say it now, 0:15:02.549 --> 0:15:05.149 you wouldn't say it now. I understand why it's offensive, 0:15:05.189 --> 0:15:08.389 because it's saying like, my injury and me when I've 0:15:08.869 --> 0:15:11.869 hurt myself is the same with cultural practice. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:11.909 --> 0:15:14.749 it's quite degrading to the cultural practice. I totally get that, 0:15:15.069 --> 0:15:18.709 but I also see the context and also knowing how 0:15:18.709 --> 0:15:21.389 those interviews are conducted, like that story would have been 0:15:21.429 --> 0:15:23.869 designed by a PR team, and she's just kind of 0:15:24.269 --> 0:15:26.669 delivering on it, and it looks a lot worse being 0:15:26.709 --> 0:15:29.069 thrust into our context than it might have. Do you 0:15:29.109 --> 0:15:32.549 know at the time, if it got any backlash? No, yeah, no, no, 0:15:32.549 --> 0:15:34.309 no backlash in two thousand and three. And I think 0:15:34.309 --> 0:15:37.869 that's also because people weren't online, people just watching things 0:15:37.869 --> 0:15:41.109 on a late night show, seeing a comment, maybe thinking 0:15:41.629 --> 0:15:44.469 and they're moving on. Yeah, So it kind of got 0:15:44.509 --> 0:15:51.669 resurfaced and made into a very intentional significant thing, and 0:15:51.949 --> 0:15:55.509 has then been combined with a few other things that 0:15:55.629 --> 0:15:59.549 she said, Okay, moving on to an uncomfortable question. The 0:15:59.629 --> 0:16:03.709 other problematic moment that has been resurfaced comes from a 0:16:03.949 --> 0:16:08.109 twenty seventeen chat show. During an episode of comedian Chelsea 0:16:08.149 --> 0:16:12.309 Handler's Netflix talk show, there are a bunch of celebrities 0:16:12.309 --> 0:16:15.749 sitting around at a dinner party, and Handler says, let's 0:16:15.749 --> 0:16:18.909 talk about our families first, where we came from, where 0:16:18.949 --> 0:16:22.389 our parents came from. Actor Regina King, who is black, 0:16:22.789 --> 0:16:25.029 tells a group that she's from LA, and she starts 0:16:25.029 --> 0:16:27.229 talking about how so many people live there. Oh, I 0:16:27.229 --> 0:16:29.749 think I've seen this, yes, but not that many people 0:16:29.989 --> 0:16:32.709 actually grew up in LA. And she's saying, one of. 0:16:32.749 --> 0:16:35.189 The few people that are born and bred in LA. 0:16:35.389 --> 0:16:37.549 So that's I think, a very cool thing. And I 0:16:37.629 --> 0:16:39.909 kind of wear it on my chest very proudly because 0:16:39.909 --> 0:16:42.989 so many people say, oh, Las is in La? 0:16:43.109 --> 0:16:43.269 Is it? 0:16:43.629 --> 0:16:46.509 And she talks about how it's interesting being the only 0:16:46.549 --> 0:16:49.269 person who's able to kind of truly say what is 0:16:49.309 --> 0:16:52.389 and isn't La because she had her childhood there. Sitting 0:16:52.469 --> 0:16:55.149 across the table from her, Ghana asks, but do you 0:16:55.229 --> 0:16:57.909 know where your ancestors are from King says. 0:16:58.229 --> 0:17:01.949 Well, yeah, we're part of the triangle slavery from sier 0:17:01.949 --> 0:17:06.309 early on, Liberia and Sitegal but my pears are both 0:17:06.349 --> 0:17:08.109 from the South met each other here. 0:17:08.469 --> 0:17:12.829 People got really angry about this, and it was originally 0:17:12.829 --> 0:17:16.829 tweeted with the caption, oh I see why Ben left 0:17:16.869 --> 0:17:21.829 her ass about Jennifer Garner. Okay, as though Ben Affleck 0:17:21.869 --> 0:17:26.229 who got married in a plantation, it was just so 0:17:26.389 --> 0:17:29.229 much fun. It was the best life is the gold 0:17:29.309 --> 0:17:32.509 standard when it comes to conversations about race. Yeah, there's 0:17:32.549 --> 0:17:36.069 been lots of analysis about her facial expression and her 0:17:36.229 --> 0:17:41.389 ignorance in this really really short clip. And I completely 0:17:41.469 --> 0:17:44.789 appreciate that it may have been an insensitive or inappropriate question, 0:17:45.749 --> 0:17:49.029 but we don't have all the context. It's edited. We're 0:17:49.069 --> 0:17:52.269 not seeing a natural conversation. Something I want to point 0:17:52.269 --> 0:17:57.109 out is that Regina King hasn't said anything. Regina King 0:17:57.149 --> 0:18:00.389 hasn't come out. I said, sometimes you can use these clips, though, 0:18:00.429 --> 0:18:02.229 if you're a person of color, you might be using 0:18:02.269 --> 0:18:08.149 this clip to illustrate how uncomfortable that question is and 0:18:08.149 --> 0:18:10.709 how it is asked more of some peace people than 0:18:10.869 --> 0:18:13.589 of others. Because if Jennifer Ganna, for example, had said 0:18:13.669 --> 0:18:16.389 I'm from New York, or I'm from New Jersey or whatever. 0:18:17.069 --> 0:18:19.989 No one at the table would have said, yeah, but 0:18:20.029 --> 0:18:22.309 where are your ancestors from? Why? Because she's white, and 0:18:22.349 --> 0:18:28.149 because you associate whiteness with being American, which is inherently racist. Like, 0:18:28.189 --> 0:18:31.909 I do understand the commentary, and I don't think that 0:18:31.989 --> 0:18:36.229 Jennifer Gannah's subjectivity as a white woman in that context 0:18:36.509 --> 0:18:39.149 makes it look good. I'm sure that she would regret 0:18:39.229 --> 0:18:41.029 the way that came across. I think it's an interesting 0:18:41.029 --> 0:18:45.309 example because it really may have been that it was inappropriate, 0:18:45.829 --> 0:18:49.389 But the context is interesting because some people pointed out 0:18:49.389 --> 0:18:51.589 that her question made a lot more sense in the 0:18:51.669 --> 0:18:56.109 overall context of the show, which was titled My American Experience, 0:18:56.349 --> 0:19:00.589 where the guests were encouraged to discuss their roots, patriotism, religion, 0:19:00.669 --> 0:19:03.709 and modern America's complexities, and they were asked how their 0:19:03.749 --> 0:19:06.229 parents got to America. So she felt like she had 0:19:06.229 --> 0:19:09.429 a license yeah to ask that. YEA, Yeah, that's interesting 0:19:09.509 --> 0:19:12.509 and it was a part of the broader conversation. Then again, 0:19:12.629 --> 0:19:15.509 I do think sometimes it's okay to use an example 0:19:15.509 --> 0:19:19.469 of something and analyze it to straight a point yeah, yeah, 0:19:19.509 --> 0:19:21.149 And I think that's what a lot of people were doing, 0:19:21.269 --> 0:19:23.429 saying this is my experience that people ask me this 0:19:23.509 --> 0:19:26.429 question and it's frigging inappropriate, and you wouldn't ask it 0:19:26.829 --> 0:19:29.109 the way around. So I think that's also fair. I 0:19:29.229 --> 0:19:32.429 also think it's worth acknowledging that the question doesn't mean 0:19:32.429 --> 0:19:35.829 the same thing to everyone. Yeah, so people asking me 0:19:36.589 --> 0:19:40.509 where are your parents from? Where your ancestors from doesn't 0:19:40.549 --> 0:19:43.749 have the kind of emotional salience that may for somebody else. 0:19:51.669 --> 0:19:54.469 Jesse Suddenly thirty like your shoes? 0:19:55.109 --> 0:19:55.789 Thanks? 0:19:56.189 --> 0:19:59.069 I like your dress because they've got these incredible boobs 0:19:59.069 --> 0:20:02.709 to fill it out. Suddenly thirty, for reasons unknown, is 0:20:02.749 --> 0:20:06.709 called thirteen going on thirty in the US. Actually, it 0:20:06.829 --> 0:20:09.869 made me slightly intrigued, so I googled it. The movie 0:20:10.309 --> 0:20:14.269 is called thirteen going on thirty in almost every place. 0:20:14.309 --> 0:20:17.189 Why did we call it suddenly thirty here? It makes 0:20:17.229 --> 0:20:20.989 it difficult to have conversations with Americans. Yes, it's thirteen 0:20:21.069 --> 0:20:23.789 going on thirty, I'm pretty sure everywhere except Australia. Why 0:20:24.189 --> 0:20:30.029 because distributors thought Australians wouldn't understand Oh no, the concept 0:20:30.269 --> 0:20:33.909 slash phrase of thirteen going on thirty. They thought we 0:20:33.909 --> 0:20:34.589 wouldn't get that. 0:20:34.829 --> 0:20:38.989 Australians have proven we can understand phrases. 0:20:38.749 --> 0:20:42.269 So they were like, suddenly, thirty, I'm modified, Okay, that's 0:20:42.309 --> 0:20:45.229 a phrase though, Yeah, thirteen going on? I mean, and 0:20:45.269 --> 0:20:47.829 this is the thing. It's like, oh, don't get me wrong. 0:20:48.429 --> 0:20:51.509 I still don't fully understand the premise. Maybe it's an 0:20:51.509 --> 0:20:54.189 Australian thing. Maybe everyone else in the world is like, oh, 0:20:54.269 --> 0:20:58.669 it totally makes sense. I think it's unrealistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:20:58.829 --> 0:21:01.509 but it's not the title. No, it's like they think 0:21:01.549 --> 0:21:04.709 we don't say going on, But like I listened to 0:21:04.709 --> 0:21:06.589 the Sound of Music soundtrack a lot, and it's like, 0:21:06.749 --> 0:21:11.589 I am sixteen going on seventeen. That's fine, I understand it. 0:21:11.909 --> 0:21:14.709 I can read between the line. It means you're sixteen 0:21:14.789 --> 0:21:17.029 and soon you will be seventeen, whereas the title of 0:21:17.069 --> 0:21:19.469 this movie means you're thirteen and oh my gosh, soon 0:21:19.509 --> 0:21:23.589 you will be thirty because of magic. Yes, now there 0:21:23.629 --> 0:21:26.109 are other movies where this has happened as well. You 0:21:26.189 --> 0:21:29.549 know one of our favorite films, Bad Neighbors. Yes, yes, 0:21:29.709 --> 0:21:30.309 what are you doing? 0:21:30.629 --> 0:21:32.429 We're throwing a Robert de Niro party. 0:21:33.029 --> 0:21:36.149 Should be pretty fucking loud. It's probably gonna go pretty 0:21:36.189 --> 0:21:39.349 fucking late too. It was just called neighbors. That is 0:21:39.509 --> 0:21:45.749 American in America. She is confusing because I'm not going 0:21:45.749 --> 0:21:48.749 to the movies to watch neighbors. Okay, that's on the TV. 0:21:49.189 --> 0:21:52.229 It's like, was it bad neighbors here to avoid confusion 0:21:52.269 --> 0:21:55.709 with neighbors? Or was it bad neighbors here because they're 0:21:55.749 --> 0:21:59.709 like Australians won't understand they're bad. Yeah, yeah, I'll think 0:21:59.749 --> 0:22:03.589 this is just normal neighbors. They've got to really really 0:22:03.669 --> 0:22:06.389 make things clear for them. These neighbors are bad because 0:22:06.429 --> 0:22:09.309 they're disruptive and they're partying or is in Australia that's 0:22:09.349 --> 0:22:12.549 just a neighby. You don't know me, Yeah, you don't 0:22:12.589 --> 0:22:15.389 know my neighbors. Anyway. It's very very odd and it's 0:22:15.429 --> 0:22:19.309 quite embarrassing that Australia needed a different title. AnyWho, that's 0:22:19.349 --> 0:22:22.069 not why we're here. We're here because Jennifer Gannah stars 0:22:22.109 --> 0:22:24.829 in it. It's arguably her most famous role and there's 0:22:24.869 --> 0:22:26.229 a lot of feelings for about I don't like that 0:22:26.229 --> 0:22:27.949 scene where she did the dance. I didn't like it. 0:22:27.869 --> 0:22:30.789 It made me uncomfortable. Well, I'll get to that. Mark 0:22:30.829 --> 0:22:33.469 Ruffalo's in it. He's hot man Mark Ruffalo more like 0:22:33.589 --> 0:22:36.669