Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and Maya
Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this
Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. Hello. Jennifer Ghana, you might have heard,
Speaker 1: has been in the headlines quite a lot lately just
Speaker 1: for living her life. The news stories have been quite silly,
Speaker 1: which is our favorite type of news story. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: things like Jennifer Ghana is glowing as she enjoys breakfast
Speaker 1: with ex Ben Affleck, or Ben Affleck loves being looked
Speaker 1: after by Jennifer Ghana a mid divorce with Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 1: I've seen something that's like Ben Affleck, where every look
Speaker 1: says a Jennifer, you can't escape them. And another headline
Speaker 1: I've seen is Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gana are seen
Speaker 1: driving together in La after reuniting for Thanksgiving. It's like
Speaker 1: they co parent. They do me they do. That's probably
Speaker 1: so they are going to be entwined in each other's lives.
Speaker 1: We thought we would reshare our deep dive on Jennifer
Speaker 1: Ghana because there are some actual controversies and of course
Speaker 1: some silly stuff like a fantastic award winning didn't win
Speaker 1: any awards, Sir Lumma film called Suddenly thirty. Enjoy this
Speaker 1: episode and we will be back in your feed on
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Hello, and welcome to Cancel, the podcast that
Speaker 1: looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and sentences
Speaker 1: to them so we can all move on with our lives.
Speaker 1: I'm Klaire Stevens and I'm joined by Jesse Stevens and
Speaker 1: Jesse do you have a lazy girl story for us?
Speaker 1: I do. I have one which I feel like is
Speaker 1: going to be particularly relatable to both of us. It
Speaker 1: is from Claire. Oh, but not you, it hasn't I.
Speaker 1: My wedding dress was very fancy, with hand beating all
Speaker 1: over in a big train. At the end of the reception,
Speaker 1: I finally had time for something to eat, and I
Speaker 1: scoffed a few chocolate tarts, inadvertently dripping quite a bit
Speaker 1: of ganesh down the bodice of my dress. Because I'm
Speaker 1: a messy girl as well as a lazy girl. Bad
Speaker 1: Combo tried to wipe up the mess with an napkin.
Speaker 1: Bad idea. Chocolate now spread over a large portion of
Speaker 1: bodice and embedded in beadwork and lace. Very bad. When
Speaker 1: I returned from my honeymoon. I thought about getting the
Speaker 1: dress dry cleaned, quoted as three hundred and fifty dollars ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I thought I would just wash it in my bath
Speaker 1: tub with some sad wonder soap as a friend had done.
Speaker 1: Has turned out okay. I never got around to it,
Speaker 1: and the wedding dress is still hanging in its bag
Speaker 1: in my wardrobe. This year is my twentieth wedding adiventsy.
Speaker 1: I refuse to throw out the dress, as I might
Speaker 1: still get around to it one day. She's a lazy girl.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, how long did it take you to dry
Speaker 1: clean your dress? Very long time? And my dress was
Speaker 1: just in my boot. An amount of women with their
Speaker 1: wedding dress and their boot still Oh you got married
Speaker 1: five weeks ago. Oh your children have left home. Oh
Speaker 1: I know where your wedding dress is crumpled in the boot.
Speaker 1: If you are a robber listening, yes, rob cars, rob
Speaker 1: cut no, because then a rubber would rob a car.
Speaker 1: Take the dress and be like, get it dry clean
Speaker 1: before I sell it. This might be a you know,
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars this dress is worth. It's only going
Speaker 1: to take a few hundred to dry clean it. You
Speaker 1: do make a profit, but there's a job involved. There
Speaker 1: is a job involved, and the job of smelling men
Speaker 1: low because you know I sent my address to Norway.
Speaker 1: You did you sold your dress? Okay, here's something we've
Speaker 1: never talked about. I put mine up, being like anyone
Speaker 1: want to buy no bites? Shit? Well mine only had
Speaker 1: the one bite and she was in Norway? Okay? Was
Speaker 1: I offended? Yeah? You think you're gonna put you wedding
Speaker 1: dress up and everyone's going to go, this is the
Speaker 1: most beautiful wedding dress ever. I want to look like
Speaker 1: this on my day and everyone's everyone's like, oh nah,
Speaker 1: I think it's daky cool. I'll have a sitting in
Speaker 1: my wardrobe. I would really like the cash. The issue
Speaker 1: with the job of dry cleaning it is an issue
Speaker 1: of deadline because there's no deadline. There is no deadline.
Speaker 1: It's just my to do list has about four or
Speaker 1: five jobs of which they're just not to a clear deadline.
Speaker 1: So it's like, why would I do that today when
Speaker 1: I could do it tomorrow? Will you do it tomorrow? No?
Speaker 1: Because why would I do that tomorrow when I could
Speaker 1: do it later? And so life goes and then what
Speaker 1: you've done is you die and you've left someone the
Speaker 1: job of cleaning your wedding dress, and that person goes,
Speaker 1: why did today when I could do it later? And
Speaker 1: so no, no, what do we hand down through the
Speaker 1: family at gin Nash covered wedding dress so lovely?
Speaker 2: You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. The defendants
Speaker 2: are celebrities, the chargers are petty, the rulings are final.
Speaker 1: Jesse. Today we're talking about Jennifer Ghana. Hi, I'm jen
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner.
Speaker 3: I just watched this down below kissing, and I just
Speaker 3: floated home in a cloud.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Jennifer Garner. Jennifer and Ghana is an American
Speaker 1: actress who you probably know from her roles in TV
Speaker 1: shows like A Liz and movies like Suddenly, Thirty Juno,
Speaker 1: Ghosts of Girlfriend's Past, Valentine's Day, Daredevil, Dallas Fires Club
Speaker 1: and so on. How many Jennifers have we done? Okay,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Lawrence, Jennifer Anist, Jennifer Aniston. For all
Speaker 1: the famous Jennifers, do you know many in your life? Nah?
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's a generational thing. I think
Speaker 1: it's a disproportionate amount of Jennifers that's become famous. Mary
Speaker 1: ben affleck care I said it great point, Jesse, what
Speaker 1: is your favorite Jennifer Garner movie? And or role? Was
Speaker 1: she in Pearl Harbor? We have discussed but minor role,
Speaker 1: minor role, minor role, But I did like that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say something unpopular. I didn't mind. Suddenly thirty, Jenna
Speaker 1: Rink couldn't grow up fast enough, so on her thirteenth birthday,
Speaker 1: Jeffers out the wishing dust. She only made one wish
Speaker 1: eighteen thirteen. I just want to be But I struggle
Speaker 1: with getting my head around magic in a film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to go in order to keep watching
Speaker 1: this like Freaky Friday, in order to keep watching this,
Speaker 1: I have to I have to suspend my belief of
Speaker 1: how the world works, because this isn't possible what's happening.
Speaker 1: But I've got to be invested in you, in your feelings.
Speaker 1: It feels like a plot device. But you've either had
Speaker 1: a psychotic break in which case that's a plot point,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna wake up it with all the dream
Speaker 1: which is deeply unsatisfying. Or I've just got to play
Speaker 1: this game. I don't know if I can play this game.
Speaker 1: It's not real. So I don't know about that film. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about that film. But my favorite Jennifer
Speaker 1: Ghana role where I think she just really was herself,
Speaker 1: like this is who I believe hard to beat. It
Speaker 1: was her role in Juno.
Speaker 2: Hi Brings You to them All Today.
Speaker 1: I was just shocking, you know, it's my girlfriend. I
Speaker 1: thought she played that so well. Is an excellent film.
Speaker 1: It is that I want to watch again, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner in it was just so believable. A note
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day, Yeah, she was in it, along with
Speaker 1: literally everyone else Jesse simply everyone, simply everyone. There's also
Speaker 1: a movie called Mother's Day, celebrate the one day no
Speaker 1: matter what's happened between us here always my mother that
Speaker 1: connects us off or not. Who the world thinks.
Speaker 3: Wire Mother's Day?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people in that Julia Roberts, Oh gee, lots
Speaker 1: of people. Julia Roberts with a terrible haircut. Okay, because
Speaker 1: the other film, just like Valentine's Day in terms of
Speaker 1: everyone being in it was of course, he's just not
Speaker 1: that into and new Year's Eve and news eve that
Speaker 1: was we went through a stage where I was in
Speaker 1: a film and you know what, it was based on
Speaker 1: Love act Love actually Because on that, they were like,
Speaker 1: imagine a film where you just have heaps of famous
Speaker 1: actors on the poster. Yeah, that isn't what made Love
Speaker 1: actually great. It was a great film, absolutely, And then
Speaker 1: the Americans were like, we can do it. We've got
Speaker 1: twelve actors. Well, why don't you sit and write a
Speaker 1: script for a minute, Why don't you write a good
Speaker 1: script because Valentine's Day, it doesn't work. They got a
Speaker 1: bot to do it. They got a bot to do it,
Speaker 1: and it showed tonight. The chef is featuring a dish
Speaker 1: that he likes to call the lime Stinking Pig. Also
Speaker 1: a note, Jennifer Ghana was married to Ben Affleck between
Speaker 1: two thousand and five and twenty eighteen, long time and
Speaker 1: they have three kids together. And there are currently rumors
Speaker 1: you would know that Ben Affleck and j Lo are
Speaker 1: on the rocks. Yeah, I believe it, And yeah, the
Speaker 1: theory is that Jennifer Ghana has been speaking to Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lopez and like helping her through this and is also
Speaker 1: speaking to Ben and encouraging Ben to stay with Jen
Speaker 1: because Jen, she's such a Marri counsel, is very good
Speaker 1: for Ben. Jenny is good for Ben and she supported
Speaker 1: him through addictions. Jen lo Pez is good for Oh.
Speaker 1: I think Jen Garna good for Ben too. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: says Ben, you need Jen, and he says, which Jen.
Speaker 1: She says Jen you're currently married to? Just for logistical purposes,
Speaker 1: the one you're that that gen also for context. She
Speaker 1: does a lot of gardening on tiktop hell squash. There
Speaker 1: is not your neck. I've been waiting for the sunflower
Speaker 1: seeds to be ready. Cash. She's popping up very hash.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be less like j Loo. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: that as a slide, No, I just mean that as
Speaker 1: she's in a different place, whereas j Loo's like, this
Speaker 1: is me now on the met Gala carpet. Yeah, where's Ben, Jen,
Speaker 1: where's my Ben? You're Ben? He was my Ben. I'm
Speaker 1: a different gen bed go back to Jen, which gen
Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, it is. My structure for today is
Speaker 1: as follows, an awkward call out, a late night interview,
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable question. I love the ambiguity of all somebody
Speaker 1: two and suddenly thirty okay, good an awkward call out.
Speaker 1: It's two thousand and three. Jennifer Ganna is starring in Alias,
Speaker 1: and she's very, very famous. Jesse, could you ever watch Alias?
Speaker 1: I didn't, but there were girls at school who really
Speaker 1: liked it, and I kind of put it in the
Speaker 1: Buffy camp. You were an Alias personal? You were an
Speaker 1: Alias person? Was she a spy? Yes? It sounds like
Speaker 1: I would have liked that. I know, I know, I
Speaker 1: feel like do I feel like she was a magic spy?
Speaker 1: I feel like there was something in it that I
Speaker 1: just couldn't fully get around. Yeah, I watched it. No,
Speaker 1: I never watched it, but I never watched Buffy either. No.
Speaker 1: So she was doing the rounds because as well as
Speaker 1: promoting Alias, she was promoting her new movie Daredevil, which
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck was also in, and so she was on
Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien. He her if during Alias she used any
Speaker 1: spy skills she learnt from the show in real life,
Speaker 1: and she tells a story about how they kept the
Speaker 1: show's twists from her, like the scripts ahead of time.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know writer's room, and it's
Speaker 1: completely closed off, particularly to actors, particularly to me. So
Speaker 1: she went into the writer's room and read all the
Speaker 1: notes about what was to come, and she used spy
Speaker 1: skills to get into the writer's room. That was the great. Sorry,
Speaker 1: But as she's telling the story, Conan O'Brien says, well,
Speaker 1: there's a time when you snuck into the room. And
Speaker 1: she says, snuck isn't a word. Conan and you and
Speaker 1: to Harvard, and you should know that that's funny. The
Speaker 1: audience cheers, collaps, she finishes the story. Then, after the
Speaker 1: ad break, ConA O'Brien returns holding a dictionary. He points
Speaker 1: out that snuck is a word. It is the past
Speaker 1: tense of sneak. According to Miriam Webster, the original past
Speaker 1: tense of sneak was sneaked, following the pattern of other
Speaker 1: regular verbs. However, snuck began to be used as an
Speaker 1: alternative past tense form in the eighteen hundreds and is
Speaker 1: now very common. Would you say snuck or sneaked, I'd
Speaker 1: say snuck. I'd say snuck, But I will say it's
Speaker 1: very a white man, I think it's she corrected him
Speaker 1: in the first place. Yeah, but where'd you get a dictionary? Like?
Speaker 1: Apparently one of the writers run it down during the
Speaker 1: ad break. He does it very well because he points
Speaker 1: it out. She does a bit of like an awkward face,
Speaker 1: and then he does like a cackle like villain laugh,
Speaker 1: knuck past and pass part of sneak. It's not mean
Speaker 1: to her the way he does it. It's like expert,
Speaker 1: Oh how he does it? Okay, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: So she looks awkward, like purposely performatively awkward. And this
Speaker 1: clip has done the rounds on TikTok and YouTube and
Speaker 1: a lot of people comment saying she didn't even apologize.
Speaker 1: She didn't even admit she was wrong, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think it was meant to be funny. It's a
Speaker 1: talk show. She's acting awkward. It's humor. I will say,
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy being corrected on my past tense in
Speaker 1: a social setting. I don't. And that's what people are saying.
Speaker 1: They like, she tried to correct him and she was wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was obviously a public interview, and she
Speaker 1: was quite funny bring up a Harvard thing. But like
Speaker 1: I have been in conversations and people like it's Luca
Speaker 1: and I oh, and I'm like, okay, me and Luke
Speaker 1: went to the zoo yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I are you my English teacher. I don't like it exactly,
Speaker 1: so yeah, people do get riled up about that, think
Speaker 1: that she's a bit of a princess, But I say
Speaker 1: it's an interesting little back and forth and just a
Speaker 1: silly interview. Moving on a late night interview. During the
Speaker 1: same interview, she told a story that has gone viral
Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons. Speaking about Daredevil, she shared
Speaker 1: an anecdote about how her co star Colin Farrell got
Speaker 1: a bit too aggressive in a scene where they were
Speaker 1: supposed to be kissing and she ended up with a
Speaker 1: swollen lip. The next day, he was biting her lip,
Speaker 1: and she goes on to tell this old story. Was
Speaker 1: she saying it lightheartedly? Yes, okay. She then joked that
Speaker 1: by the end of shooting the scene, Parah was treating
Speaker 1: her lip like a meal and pulling it out and
Speaker 1: putting ketchup on it like a joke about how much
Speaker 1: he was just eating her bottom lip. She says that
Speaker 1: she woke up the next morning and she walks into
Speaker 1: the living room and her husband at the time, Scott
Speaker 1: who she left and ended up with Ben Afflick, was
Speaker 1: sitting there in shock. And she says that her lip
Speaker 1: looked like one of those African women with a plate
Speaker 1: in their mouths. Oh no, okay. This was two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, all right, all right, two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: And what has happened is people have taken this interview,
Speaker 1: resurfaced it, put it everywhere. You wouldn't say it now,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't say it now. I understand why it's offensive,
Speaker 1: because it's saying like, my injury and me when I've
Speaker 1: hurt myself is the same with cultural practice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's quite degrading to the cultural practice. I totally get that,
Speaker 1: but I also see the context and also knowing how
Speaker 1: those interviews are conducted, like that story would have been
Speaker 1: designed by a PR team, and she's just kind of
Speaker 1: delivering on it, and it looks a lot worse being
Speaker 1: thrust into our context than it might have. Do you
Speaker 1: know at the time, if it got any backlash? No, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: no backlash in two thousand and three. And I think
Speaker 1: that's also because people weren't online, people just watching things
Speaker 1: on a late night show, seeing a comment, maybe thinking
Speaker 1: and they're moving on. Yeah, So it kind of got
Speaker 1: resurfaced and made into a very intentional significant thing, and
Speaker 1: has then been combined with a few other things that
Speaker 1: she said, Okay, moving on to an uncomfortable question. The
Speaker 1: other problematic moment that has been resurfaced comes from a
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen chat show. During an episode of comedian Chelsea
Speaker 1: Handler's Netflix talk show, there are a bunch of celebrities
Speaker 1: sitting around at a dinner party, and Handler says, let's
Speaker 1: talk about our families first, where we came from, where
Speaker 1: our parents came from. Actor Regina King, who is black,
Speaker 1: tells a group that she's from LA, and she starts
Speaker 1: talking about how so many people live there. Oh, I
Speaker 1: think I've seen this, yes, but not that many people
Speaker 1: actually grew up in LA. And she's saying, one of.
Speaker 3: The few people that are born and bred in LA.
Speaker 3: So that's I think, a very cool thing. And I
Speaker 3: kind of wear it on my chest very proudly because
Speaker 3: so many people say, oh, Las is in La?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: And she talks about how it's interesting being the only
Speaker 1: person who's able to kind of truly say what is
Speaker 1: and isn't La because she had her childhood there. Sitting
Speaker 1: across the table from her, Ghana asks, but do you
Speaker 1: know where your ancestors are from King says.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're part of the triangle slavery from sier
Speaker 3: early on, Liberia and Sitegal but my pears are both
Speaker 3: from the South met each other here.
Speaker 1: People got really angry about this, and it was originally
Speaker 1: tweeted with the caption, oh I see why Ben left
Speaker 1: her ass about Jennifer Garner. Okay, as though Ben Affleck
Speaker 1: who got married in a plantation, it was just so
Speaker 1: much fun. It was the best life is the gold
Speaker 1: standard when it comes to conversations about race. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: been lots of analysis about her facial expression and her
Speaker 1: ignorance in this really really short clip. And I completely
Speaker 1: appreciate that it may have been an insensitive or inappropriate question,
Speaker 1: but we don't have all the context. It's edited. We're
Speaker 1: not seeing a natural conversation. Something I want to point
Speaker 1: out is that Regina King hasn't said anything. Regina King
Speaker 1: hasn't come out. I said, sometimes you can use these clips, though,
Speaker 1: if you're a person of color, you might be using
Speaker 1: this clip to illustrate how uncomfortable that question is and
Speaker 1: how it is asked more of some peace people than
Speaker 1: of others. Because if Jennifer Ganna, for example, had said
Speaker 1: I'm from New York, or I'm from New Jersey or whatever.
Speaker 1: No one at the table would have said, yeah, but
Speaker 1: where are your ancestors from? Why? Because she's white, and
Speaker 1: because you associate whiteness with being American, which is inherently racist. Like,
Speaker 1: I do understand the commentary, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: Jennifer Gannah's subjectivity as a white woman in that context
Speaker 1: makes it look good. I'm sure that she would regret
Speaker 1: the way that came across. I think it's an interesting
Speaker 1: example because it really may have been that it was inappropriate,
Speaker 1: But the context is interesting because some people pointed out
Speaker 1: that her question made a lot more sense in the
Speaker 1: overall context of the show, which was titled My American Experience,
Speaker 1: where the guests were encouraged to discuss their roots, patriotism, religion,
Speaker 1: and modern America's complexities, and they were asked how their
Speaker 1: parents got to America. So she felt like she had
Speaker 1: a license yeah to ask that. YEA, Yeah, that's interesting
Speaker 1: and it was a part of the broader conversation. Then again,
Speaker 1: I do think sometimes it's okay to use an example
Speaker 1: of something and analyze it to straight a point yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of people were doing,
Speaker 1: saying this is my experience that people ask me this
Speaker 1: question and it's frigging inappropriate, and you wouldn't ask it
Speaker 1: the way around. So I think that's also fair. I
Speaker 1: also think it's worth acknowledging that the question doesn't mean
Speaker 1: the same thing to everyone. Yeah, so people asking me
Speaker 1: where are your parents from? Where your ancestors from doesn't
Speaker 1: have the kind of emotional salience that may for somebody else.
Speaker 1: Jesse Suddenly thirty like your shoes?
Speaker 3: Thanks?
Speaker 1: I like your dress because they've got these incredible boobs
Speaker 1: to fill it out. Suddenly thirty, for reasons unknown, is
Speaker 1: called thirteen going on thirty in the US. Actually, it
Speaker 1: made me slightly intrigued, so I googled it. The movie
Speaker 1: is called thirteen going on thirty in almost every place.
Speaker 1: Why did we call it suddenly thirty here? It makes
Speaker 1: it difficult to have conversations with Americans. Yes, it's thirteen
Speaker 1: going on thirty, I'm pretty sure everywhere except Australia. Why
Speaker 1: because distributors thought Australians wouldn't understand Oh no, the concept
Speaker 1: slash phrase of thirteen going on thirty. They thought we
Speaker 1: wouldn't get that.
Speaker 2: Australians have proven we can understand phrases.
Speaker 1: So they were like, suddenly, thirty, I'm modified, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: a phrase though, Yeah, thirteen going on? I mean, and
Speaker 1: this is the thing. It's like, oh, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I still don't fully understand the premise. Maybe it's an
Speaker 1: Australian thing. Maybe everyone else in the world is like, oh,
Speaker 1: it totally makes sense. I think it's unrealistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not the title. No, it's like they think
Speaker 1: we don't say going on, But like I listened to
Speaker 1: the Sound of Music soundtrack a lot, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I am sixteen going on seventeen. That's fine, I understand it.
Speaker 1: I can read between the line. It means you're sixteen
Speaker 1: and soon you will be seventeen, whereas the title of
Speaker 1: this movie means you're thirteen and oh my gosh, soon
Speaker 1: you will be thirty because of magic. Yes, now there
Speaker 1: are other movies where this has happened as well. You
Speaker 1: know one of our favorite films, Bad Neighbors. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: what are you doing?
Speaker 2: We're throwing a Robert de Niro party.
Speaker 1: Should be pretty fucking loud. It's probably gonna go pretty
Speaker 1: fucking late too. It was just called neighbors. That is
Speaker 1: American in America. She is confusing because I'm not going
Speaker 1: to the movies to watch neighbors. Okay, that's on the TV.
Speaker 1: It's like, was it bad neighbors here to avoid confusion
Speaker 1: with neighbors? Or was it bad neighbors here because they're
Speaker 1: like Australians won't understand they're bad. Yeah, yeah, I'll think
Speaker 1: this is just normal neighbors. They've got to really really
Speaker 1: make things clear for them. These neighbors are bad because
Speaker 1: they're disruptive and they're partying or is in Australia that's
Speaker 1: just a neighby. You don't know me, Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: know my neighbors. Anyway. It's very very odd and it's
Speaker 1: quite embarrassing that Australia needed a different title. AnyWho, that's
Speaker 1: not why we're here. We're here because Jennifer Gannah stars
Speaker 1: in it. It's arguably her most famous role and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of feelings for about I don't like that
Speaker 1: scene where she did the dance. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: It made me uncomfortable. Well, I'll get to that. Mark
Speaker 1: Ruffalo's in it. He's hot man Mark Ruffalo more like
Speaker 1: Mark Buffalo. Sometimes you forget that Mark Ruffalo's in it,
Speaker 1: and he's very sexy. For those who haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: Suddenly thirty, it's a romantic comedy and Mark Ruffalo plays
Speaker 1: love interest Matty. Wh's the thing is? Everyone's seen it?
Speaker 1: Find me a person hasn't seen it. But some people
Speaker 1: forget the details all right. A nerdy thirteen year old
Speaker 1: named Jenna desperately wants to be popular, so she gets
Speaker 1: the popular group to come to her thirteenth birthday by
Speaker 1: doing their homework. Her best friend and extra neighbor, Matty,
Speaker 1: has made a doll house for her with his bare hands,
Speaker 1: and he sprinkles the roof with magic wishing dust. I
Speaker 1: think you're a little bit old for a doll's house
Speaker 1: at thirteen. I think you are two. And I think
Speaker 1: that for the audience who was watching this, Like I
Speaker 1: was a teenager when I watched it, and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: two years ago, I believed in magic. Does third moved on?
Speaker 1: I've moved on? I was, you know, still ten, believing
Speaker 1: that my dolls talk to each other when I left
Speaker 1: the room, like absolutely, I'll play that game. As an adolescent,
Speaker 1: it's been quite beaten out of me. And it's like,
Speaker 1: at thirteen, clearly this girl is feeling some things in
Speaker 1: her pants because she wants to hook up with this
Speaker 1: hot guy. And then you've got this boy next door
Speaker 1: giving you a doll's house, and you're like, well, that's
Speaker 1: a big social obligation to act really amazed by your
Speaker 1: doll's house, when really, I think you spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time on that. I actually think that's way too
Speaker 1: full on. It's way too full on. It's I don't
Speaker 1: care about dolls anymore. You don't know me. I didn't
Speaker 1: want that gift. There's something very past aggressive about going
Speaker 1: over the top with a gift. Yeah. The popular girls
Speaker 1: arrive with a group of boys, including Jenna's crush Chris,
Speaker 1: and trick Jenna into believing he's going to kiss her
Speaker 1: in a closet while they leave with the complete homework.
Speaker 1: That's right. When she discovers what's happened, she gets upset
Speaker 1: and she says, I want to be thirty, thirty and
Speaker 1: flirty and thriving. Would you ever have used those words
Speaker 1: when you're thirteen. I just want to be thirty, flirty
Speaker 1: and thriving. I thought many an instagram all thirtieth birthdays.
Speaker 1: I think at thirteen, I thought thirty was geriatric. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: thirty wasn't fun. Thirty No, no, no, no no. I won't
Speaker 1: have two working days. I'll how to hit replacement. I'll
Speaker 1: be boring, ugly, but I will have carcies and unlimited
Speaker 1: access to McDonald's, which are true, like get McDonald's today.
Speaker 1: I want to be personally. I never forget. I never
Speaker 1: Sometimes I forget, and then I think, you're an adult.
Speaker 1: You can get McDonald a few times a day. I
Speaker 1: think I can go buy a packet of Lolly's, and
Speaker 1: I do, and I I think too many. That's why
Speaker 1: I feel sick. That's me, my mum. Yeah. Now the
Speaker 1: magic wishing dust falls on her. The following morning, she
Speaker 1: wakes up in an amazing New York apartment, and she's thirty,
Speaker 1: thirty and thriving. She's dating a man she doesn't recognize
Speaker 1: and has no memory of the last seventeen years. It
Speaker 1: turns out she's now best friends with the popular girl
Speaker 1: who is mean to her on her thirteenth birthday, and
Speaker 1: they're both editors at Poise magazine. Oh Jesse here are
Speaker 1: some of the ways people find suddenly thirty problematic. Now
Speaker 1: I want to laugh about this, but I also want
Speaker 1: to point out I have massively contributed to this culture
Speaker 1: of overwifing things and tearing them apart. It's fun, it's fun,
Speaker 1: but it is also silly. This is what the Internet
Speaker 1: has said. Why didn't anyone express serious concern when Jenna
Speaker 1: just woke up one day and didn't remember anything from
Speaker 1: the age of thirteen? Should she have gone to hospital?
Speaker 1: I would have taken you to hospital if I acted
Speaker 1: like a thirteen year old didn't recognize we've both had
Speaker 1: concussions relatively recently recently, and if those symptoms had started
Speaker 1: bubbling to the surface, I'd say, yeah, it's time for
Speaker 1: brain scain. Yeah. She wakes up the morning and she screams,
Speaker 1: she shrieks at her partner. She generally like a bit
Speaker 1: of an idiot. So her friends are like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is just Jenner, normal, normal Jenna bag. Yeah, she hangs
Speaker 1: out with other thirteen year olds because she's a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old in her soul. But do you think grown
Speaker 1: ups would have thought that was weird? Imagine so I
Speaker 1: turn up to work today and I'm like, Hey, I
Speaker 1: don't remember anything post thirteen. Yeah. Also, here's my friend,
Speaker 1: she's thirteen. Yeah, I want to play in a doll's house.
Speaker 1: We're having a sleepover. Yeah, I don't want you sleeping
Speaker 1: in the Yeah, my daughters. Yeah. Yeah. So she has
Speaker 1: a sleepover with a thirteen year old who lives in
Speaker 1: her building, and all her friends and people have said,
Speaker 1: should we be normalized year old having a sleep over
Speaker 1: with thirteen yeards? And to that I say, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we are normalizing. If it's just a mover.
Speaker 1: This is the point before I go any further that
Speaker 1: I will point out it is simply just a move,
Speaker 1: and it is made up for purposes of fun and
Speaker 1: for laughing, because the other criticism is that it's creepy
Speaker 1: that Mark Ruffalo's character kisses her when he knows she's
Speaker 1: really thirteen in her mind. Yeah, you get own here.
Speaker 3: It's never quite got that reaction before.
Speaker 1: Ah, And it's like, hm, yes, predatory. But should we
Speaker 1: get hung up on it being creepy in that it's
Speaker 1: a scenario that doesn't really have any parallel to real life,
Speaker 1: in that it involves magic. What do you think do
Speaker 1: you think it's creepy. I hear what they're saying, because
Speaker 1: you know, we are familiar with courtrooms. And if there's
Speaker 1: a situation where someone says I'm a subject to magic dust,
Speaker 1: I went from thirteen to thirty, but I wasn't mentally thirty.
Speaker 1: I was mentally thirteen because of aforementioned math magic dust.
Speaker 1: Then I think you've got to know how to prosecute it.
Speaker 1: So we need to have these ethical conversations because where
Speaker 1: do we land in her body? Yes, she is thirty,
Speaker 1: but in her mind. I think it's a fun chat.
Speaker 1: It's an ethical conundrum, Jesse. As you touched on before,
Speaker 1: when you think about the dancers that everyone knows, do
Speaker 1: Thriller just Thriller come to mine? Yeah? You know every
Speaker 1: move to Thriller. Oh okay, if I was to think
Speaker 1: I would at the Nutbush, You'll probably be mine. But
Speaker 1: I think the nuppush is only an Australian thing. But
Speaker 1: they should have adjusted it for Australian audiences and just
Speaker 1: done the nutthood, nutfoot all the area. That's it, Jesse.
Speaker 1: This is a work party where she's like, we're gonna dance.
Speaker 1: It's really I don't know, No, I'm gonna argue with
Speaker 1: you on this, idiot, you idiot. The whole thing is
Speaker 1: that it was their childhood, you know how every Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I know people of that generation and Thriller, they
Speaker 1: still don't know what Soldier Boy Soldier Boy. Okay, we
Speaker 1: need to redo it from memory? How we need to
Speaker 1: make that song Soldier Boy. Speaking of problematic, there was
Speaker 1: something about white women doing Soldier Boy on stage at
Speaker 1: that high school that probably felt we felt that felt weird.
Speaker 1: Then I think, I think is it that not everybody
Speaker 1: knew Thriller? Or is it that I'm just not that
Speaker 1: connected with the culture, because, for example, everyone in our
Speaker 1: generation could do Soldier Boy. I can't do Soldier Boy.
Speaker 1: I know the basic moves because my body is going
Speaker 1: in the opposite direction. Plan. That's what I'll say about. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lit bit now, Okay, yeah, yes, Well,
Speaker 1: if there was a remake, you just do sold boys.
Speaker 1: I have a question anybody who is the exact same
Speaker 1: age as Jenna in that pilema, which is very close
Speaker 1: to Jennifer Garner's age, which is about fifty yep, do
Speaker 1: you know all the moves to Thriller, not just the
Speaker 1: general vibe. Do you know it in that you could
Speaker 1: perform its semi professionally. Here's the other thing, though, the
Speaker 1: person that you're asking has years in years of memories
Speaker 1: in the way thriller. No, no, I know that, But
Speaker 1: so do the people in the movie, because everyone in
Speaker 1: the room can do I'm not questioning that, Jenna, No,
Speaker 1: they're not. They all know it, and they're doing a thing. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think what we should do is find a fifty
Speaker 1: year year old like, go and speak to our boss
Speaker 1: mayor yeah, Holly, and say, can you do the thriller
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the whole thing immediately? Yeah, good point. Investigation. Now,
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie, she comes up with
Speaker 1: an innovative idea to save the magazine. This innovative idea
Speaker 1: is as follows. She stages a high school yearbook photo
Speaker 1: with non famous people like my best friend's sister and
Speaker 1: your next door neighbor, and it's like, why would I
Speaker 1: buy a magazine with no one I know? Want to'll
Speaker 1: look at strangers pretending to be in high school that
Speaker 1: are ordinary. That's not a thing. It's not a good pitch,
Speaker 1: which brings us to the worst pitch that you and
Speaker 1: I often talk about. So with work often, like you
Speaker 1: need to come up with ideas for brands, and we
Speaker 1: have a visceral distaste for one idea. You see it everywhere.
Speaker 1: Every brand comes up with it, Every brand comes up
Speaker 1: with it. Everything it's original. They think it's powerful, and
Speaker 1: even though it's worthy, no one cares. No one. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, No one cares? What is it? Every day here?
Speaker 1: Everyday heroes? Local heroes, local hero You know what local
Speaker 1: heroes make the world? What it is so important to
Speaker 1: a community? Will they get people to click? Unfortunately, if
Speaker 1: I said to you, I want to tell you about
Speaker 1: a local hero, you tune out. So sounds great, tell Danny,
Speaker 1: I say, well done. Yeah, but it's just not. If
Speaker 1: the world cared more about local heroes, I have no
Speaker 1: doubt we'd live in a better place, Like the world
Speaker 1: would be a better place. They just don't. The thing
Speaker 1: I'd like to point out, we have actually been in
Speaker 1: a situation writing a TV show where part of the
Speaker 1: plot is she has a big idea. I've never found
Speaker 1: anything harder because it's got to be it's got to
Speaker 1: be a good idea, it's got to make sense to everyone,
Speaker 1: and it's going to work within the world. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's really hard and you think, well, can it just
Speaker 1: be a shit idea that we put nice music under?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Can, no, No, It's got to be quite a good idea.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, if I had a million dollar idea,
Speaker 1: would be giving it to you. I'd be selling it
Speaker 1: for one million dollars. But in this film, they failed
Speaker 1: to come up with a good idea. They came up
Speaker 1: with a bad idea. Beautiful music, beautiful facial reacity. We're
Speaker 1: not convinced. Who are these women? I want to see
Speaker 1: my best friend's big sister and the girls from the
Speaker 1: soccer team. Now. This is taken from an article online
Speaker 1: that sums up the absurdity of looking at a fictional
Speaker 1: movie and getting mad about the ply kat Okay. This
Speaker 1: says At one point, Jennifer Ganna is told that a
Speaker 1: man at a restaurant is checking her out. Rather than
Speaker 1: going over to flirt with him, she asks out a
Speaker 1: thirteen year old boy at the table, I actually came
Speaker 1: over here because I think you're really cute. So do
Speaker 1: you want to go out? Sometimes?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now? Do you want a good at jail? It is
Speaker 1: clearly supposed to be a joke, but also extremely disturbing,
Speaker 1: But then it also would have been very disturbing if
Speaker 1: this child mind in an adult body had hooked up
Speaker 1: with an adult man. I guess they're supposed to be
Speaker 1: a loophole because these children have adult bodies. But if
Speaker 1: you meet someone who keeps insisting they are a child
Speaker 1: and an adult body, maybe do not unhesitatingly have sex
Speaker 1: with them. You need to touch grass, You need to go
Speaker 1: touch grass. Take a deep breath and look at the
Speaker 1: sun again. Again, there is magic involved. Again, it is
Speaker 1: just a story. It is okay, it is just fine.
Speaker 1: But I think that scene where she's in a restaurant
Speaker 1: and they say someone's checking you out and she goes
Speaker 1: up to the thirteen year old boy and flirt, that's
Speaker 1: hilarious act. And I think it's actually clever because it's
Speaker 1: a gender reversal, because it's a woman going up to
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old boy. And you know why it's
Speaker 1: funny because that would never happen. That's why it's funny. Yeah, exactly, Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, it has happened in very rare cases, yes,
Speaker 1: very rare. But I just think that we should be
Speaker 1: able to look at that and think it's funny. Because
Speaker 1: it is fiction, because of magic very dust. Some other headlines,
Speaker 1: why thirteen going on thirty is actually anti feminist? Thirteen
Speaker 1: going on thirty maybe a rom com classic, but is
Speaker 1: it the most feminist? I didn't want to be them. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. And you know what, that's okay, it's absolutely
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Speaker 1: my chart. I have a cup. Firstly comments aging badly,
Speaker 1: and actually, when I say aging badly, the one on
Speaker 1: the Chelsea Handler show was not that long ago, so
Speaker 1: maybe does some bad comment? Yeah, they just want no
Speaker 1: my sentence to that is. I think she needs to
Speaker 1: redo that Conan interview. Yeah, you know when you've had
Speaker 1: a shit day at work and you're like, I didn't
Speaker 1: nail it, didn't nail it that day. No, I was
Speaker 1: having a bad day. Yeah, I said things that I
Speaker 1: now regret. Doesn't Conan do some kind of some kind
Speaker 1: of riding a car? Yeah? Or is that Jerry Jerry
Speaker 1: gets a coffee in a car with the Candian Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Letterman sits on Netflix with them. So I feel
Speaker 1: like Conan would maybe go for a walk, play around
Speaker 1: golf with your Yeah. Yeah. I think she needs to
Speaker 1: redo that interview with Conan, and she needs to say, hey, Conan,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for correcting you and using your education against you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the correct word is snuck. And then maybe they
Speaker 1: can have a whole conversation about correct past dance verbs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's important for people to know so they don't
Speaker 1: have arguments in their own lives. And then she needs
Speaker 1: to clear up just a few of those comments and
Speaker 1: probably admit that she's got some blind spots when it
Speaker 1: comes to you talking about race. Yeah, maybe that would
Speaker 1: be handy. Now, she's also upset people with fiction, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: with Suddenly thirty, and so I did think. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: do we need to redo it and explore it more
Speaker 1: in a serious way? And then I thought it's been done.
Speaker 1: For anyone who has seen the movie Poor Things, it
Speaker 1: is very much yeah thirteen going on thirty, fatus going
Speaker 1: on thirty. Yes, yeah, right, but taken more seriously. And
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo is and Mark Ruffalo plays a slightly different character,
Speaker 1: but he's there. He's there, and it is about special
Speaker 1: interest in women that appear thirty but are in fact
Speaker 1: younger mentally. Mm hmmm. Actually, if you're upset about Suddenly thirty,
Speaker 1: you'll probably also be infuriated by Poor Things. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I suggest you watch it. Good idea, just to
Speaker 1: get kind of annoyed. All right, Well, my charge is
Speaker 1: to do with Suddenly thirty. It's broadly an issue with magic,
Speaker 1: the movie What Women Want? Do you remember that with
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson, the movie Freaky Friday. My issue, when I
Speaker 1: really interrogate it and I sit with myself, is that
Speaker 1: with films that involve magic, where does the magic begin
Speaker 1: and end? Because every scene I'm going, well, is this magic? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: this magic? Do I believe?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: So this is real, but I meant to just accept
Speaker 1: the magic that God is here. There's also a lot
Speaker 1: of logic problems with magic. So in What Women Want,
Speaker 1: he can read women's minds. But what I always thought
Speaker 1: watching that movie, I'm like, hmm, minds aren't just a
Speaker 1: clear voice of chatter of chatter? Yeah? What about when
Speaker 1: you're thinking in images? Can he see them? Yeah? It's
Speaker 1: a great can you only hear your thoughts? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: great premise. I suppose you just you tie yourself in,
Speaker 1: not you tie yourself what you do? And I suppose
Speaker 1: that my sentence, I know what you're saying about poor things,
Speaker 1: but there is a very real fallout to lose seventeen
Speaker 1: years of memory, absolute tragedy. You don't know who? Do
Speaker 1: you love your husband? I also wonder those movies involving
Speaker 1: magic are they dangerous? Because what women want it starts
Speaker 1: with a hair dryer and he electrocutes and people what
Speaker 1: they think that if they electrocute themselves in the bath,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna be able to read minds.
Speaker 2: Please don't electrocute yourself.
Speaker 1: And then I think it's like, if you're reading minds,
Speaker 1: then the correct thing to do is maybe you'll like
Speaker 1: drinking yourself again. It's always you got to do the
Speaker 1: magic again at the end to get back to a way.
Speaker 1: Imagine being stuck in an unending magic loop. See that's stressful.
Speaker 1: How does she get out of it in suddenly thirty?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay. So at the end, it's Maddie's
Speaker 1: wedding day and she goes and then he gives her
Speaker 1: the house thing again. More magic dust wakes up in
Speaker 1: the closet back at thirteen, and she kisses Mattie got
Speaker 1: the magic. You're smiling with such joy. I like I
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, I like it because then she ends
Speaker 1: up with mircrafflo oh and then it flashes to the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she ends up with mirk Raffolo and she changes
Speaker 1: her future ends up in a house that looks like
Speaker 1: the house you made her. Wow. Yeah beautiful Philamuth. Yeah, life,
Speaker 1: isn't it? Calling back and forward, back and forward. We
Speaker 1: just do this chronologically, very confused. That's all we've got
Speaker 1: time for on cancel this week. The executive producer of
Speaker 1: Canceled is to listiit as with audio editing by Tom Lyon.
Speaker 1: We will be back next week. Bye.