WEBVTT - John Harlan Kim // From home to Hollywood and back again... 

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<v Speaker 1>The version of John that's getting makeup and getting flowing

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<v Speaker 1>to Atlanta tomorrow for press and then I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a red couver room and then gone gold coastal on

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<v Speaker 1>a moving in. He's fine, Like the hurt kid is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that needs attention now. Achieving your dreams won't

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<v Speaker 1>give you everything you need. The pot of gold is

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the rainbow. It won't be everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But still now, I think there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>that are coming up and they're like, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>I just need to burn my hand on that stove.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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<v Speaker 2>are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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<v Speaker 2>makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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<v Speaker 2>rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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<v Speaker 2>one way. So this is the platform to hear and

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<v Speaker 2>explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore

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<v Speaker 2>the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day

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<v Speaker 2>will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah. A lawyer turned

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<v Speaker 2>funentrepreneurs wapped the suits and heels to co found matcha

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<v Speaker 2>maiden and matcha milk bar. CCA is a series of

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<v Speaker 2>conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the

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<v Speaker 2>self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. So

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<v Speaker 2>you all already know that I find every single one

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<v Speaker 2>of our guests amazing, and I use a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>superlatives in the intros, in the captions to try and

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<v Speaker 2>convey to you just how wonderful I think they are

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<v Speaker 2>and why. But every now and then a particularly special

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<v Speaker 2>conversation or leave me almost speechless. It doesn't happen very often.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty hard to do. You guys know I don't

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<v Speaker 2>love a short story, but this one really bowled me over.

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<v Speaker 2>I recorded this chat at producing studios in Melbourne, who

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to the team have been incredible for our

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<v Speaker 2>return to in person interviews since Matt Leef. But that

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<v Speaker 2>meant we had a producer in the room for the

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<v Speaker 2>whole episode who could validate my reaction afterwards, So I

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<v Speaker 2>knew I wasn't imagining that this one was special. The

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<v Speaker 2>minute John Kim left the room after our conversation, both

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<v Speaker 2>of us just stared at each other, open mouthed and

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<v Speaker 2>in alle at what he had said. It's not that

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<v Speaker 2>I expected him not to be amazing. I knew he

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<v Speaker 2>would be.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just the way that he was amazing kind of

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<v Speaker 3>surprised me, which you'll understand more as you listen. And

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<v Speaker 3>this chat isn't just special because if its timing with

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<v Speaker 3>the brand new Cruel Intention series premiering this week, which

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<v Speaker 3>stars John in one of its lead roles, or because

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<v Speaker 3>he was also just announced last week as part of

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<v Speaker 3>the all star cast of the live action feature Voltron,

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<v Speaker 3>alongside the likes of Rita Aura. I mean, he is

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<v Speaker 3>literally smashing life goals. It's also special because, as you'll hear,

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<v Speaker 3>it came at a pivotal time in his life, with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of reflection and change.

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly in relation to a lot of the themes that

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<v Speaker 2>are really important on this show about success and happiness

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<v Speaker 2>and fulfillment, all the things that really matter. But also

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<v Speaker 2>because it happens to somehow be the very first podcast

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<v Speaker 2>he's ever done. John has been good friends with Nick

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<v Speaker 2>for many years through our dear mutual friend David Higgs,

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<v Speaker 2>who moved over to la and they've become besties over

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<v Speaker 2>there to share John's story for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 2>covering his incredible rise from the eastern suburbs of Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to Hollywood. But I didn't expect the

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<v Speaker 2>honor of catching him at this particularly pivotal moment in time,

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<v Speaker 2>and to be able to share his vulnerability, humility, and

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<v Speaker 2>eloquence to a podcast audience for the very first time.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you are all as awe struck and inspired

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<v Speaker 2>by him and enjoy this one as much as I did. John, Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an honor to be here. What a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's an honor for me. I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already spent what like fifteen minutes asking you questions

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<v Speaker 2>because I haven't seen him for ages, but also you've

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<v Speaker 2>got so much going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling? You were in what three states

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday and like two countries in the next time we

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<v Speaker 2>are out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm getting used to like trying to fall asleep

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<v Speaker 1>on airplanes, which is not comfortable, obviously, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of just gone with it at this point in

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<v Speaker 1>trying to it feels like that that level and Donkey

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<v Speaker 1>Kong where you're on the like the cart and you're

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<v Speaker 1>like making jumps like it's sort of I'm in the

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<v Speaker 1>mining cart, just trying to hold on the sides and

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<v Speaker 1>keep it together. But it's all a privilege and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>super lucky, so not complaining.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, well we are, like you have such

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<v Speaker 2>a special place in my heart. Firstly because my husband

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<v Speaker 2>is like obsessed with you Nick, our dear friend Higgsy mutual. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>dear dear friend, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to mention him. We'll get in trouble for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Big shout out, also becoming you dad. Yeah, congrats congrats

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<v Speaker 2>to Higgsy. We should we should have patched him in here.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I met you through the boys and they

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<v Speaker 2>just love you so much. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that was really interesting, actually I asked both of them

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<v Speaker 2>what I should ask you, and both of them said,

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot let him get away with the absurd level

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<v Speaker 2>of humility that you have about your career. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to let you get away with it. And

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<v Speaker 2>you just mentioned you've been now an actor for seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>years time, so either Korean skincare is doing things for

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<v Speaker 2>you or you started really young.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I'm probably not. My raps don't want me aging,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I'm just staying out of the sun enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the Sun's great secret, like skincads. No,

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm always like people are always like getting

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<v Speaker 1>mad and they're like, what do you do? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, ah, Korean, Yeah, like I eat cereal, Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't work for me, and I'm like it works

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<v Speaker 1>for me. So I don't know what you want from you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the research that I've accrued over the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, another thing that's been lovely is not just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of being like I think we've only we haven't spent

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<v Speaker 2>that much time together in person, but I hear so

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<v Speaker 2>much about you through the boys because yeah, our beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>little friendship group, but also because you're like my Korean

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<v Speaker 2>culture correspondent, and so is your mom. Because I'm literally like,

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<v Speaker 2>as you all know, I'm adopted. I was born in

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<v Speaker 2>South Korea but was adopted into a very Caucasian family.

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<v Speaker 2>So John and his mom somehow has become our ring

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<v Speaker 2>in for Teddy's one hundred days. I was sort of like,

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean, like tell us what we have to do? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>his first birthday's coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, he looked incredible. No, I he looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a little rock star. But I know that for mum.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever one hundred days comes in Korean culture, I could

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<v Speaker 1>be completely misinforming the audience here, but as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>once you hit a hundred days, it's sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>good omen and it's like, okay, they're they're healthy, they're

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<v Speaker 1>kicking on and and so yeah, they celebrate that and

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<v Speaker 1>they make U swear the humbuk and they're they're like

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<v Speaker 1>it's so it's like ridiculously like there's too much going on,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're all the snacks around them, like all they

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<v Speaker 1>cut up apples and like.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that the little rice cakes I had

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like because I'm such a fake Korean, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually have rice cakes on hand, so I used

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<v Speaker 2>I went to coals and got like coconut biscuits and

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of looked like and I just wrote on

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<v Speaker 2>them with a sharpie. Yeah yeah, it's like a resourceful

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<v Speaker 2>rice cakes. They're like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm used

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<v Speaker 2>to prop foods.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, speaking of props, so an active for seventeen years,

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<v Speaker 2>extremely accomplished. I was looking at your IMDb and and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my god, this guy has an AMDB

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<v Speaker 2>that in itself is amazing. But you've had some amazing

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<v Speaker 2>announcements recently, which we'll get to. But one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I think happens is people walk into your

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<v Speaker 2>life at this chapter and kind of assume it's so

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<v Speaker 2>easy to assume that it was an overnight success or

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<v Speaker 2>that it was easy to get there, and they forget

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone started somewhere. Everyone's had moments where they were

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<v Speaker 2>like they didn't know who they wanted to be, or

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<v Speaker 2>they did know, but it felt impossible to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I like to go back to the very very

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<v Speaker 2>beginning and trace back who you were as a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>what your first dreams were, and then all the like

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<v Speaker 2>diversions and setbacks and dots that have to connect along

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<v Speaker 2>the way to get a Melbourne boy who grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in the verbs, you know, all the way to like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to like this huge career in Hollywood. Like that seems implausible,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously someone has to do it. So take us

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<v Speaker 2>back to childhood. John, Yeah, I had.

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<v Speaker 1>A really unique upbringing in some prospects. Mum raised me

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<v Speaker 1>on her own and she she did a phenomenal job

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<v Speaker 1>of doing so, and it didn't even occur to me

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<v Speaker 1>that I was either going without something or that things

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<v Speaker 1>were a little different for our family. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>at the time it's sort of it didn't really hit

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<v Speaker 1>me until I just I just actually told this story

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time a long time. But I remember

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<v Speaker 1>this like very clear memory in prep where you do

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<v Speaker 1>like the cutouts of the people they're holding hands, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you fold them and then you pull them up

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<v Speaker 1>and you unfill them and it's like five six people

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and you had to do that for your family,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was like the task before we finished work

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<v Speaker 1>for the day, and so we were doing our family

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just like mine was two, because it

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<v Speaker 1>was a single mum, single child, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like I'm not even thinking, and I'm like color

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<v Speaker 1>color mean I color mum in I'm like all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember just like sticking my head up and

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<v Speaker 1>looking around and I was like, oh, everyone else is

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<v Speaker 1>still working. And then it like it was like this

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<v Speaker 1>very sobering moment for a five year old to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're kind of we're different. I mean now I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's much more normalized, but at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a nuclear family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was a really good primary school, so

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<v Speaker 1>all the families were really well put together and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well off and well adjusted. And so I remember going

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<v Speaker 1>home that night and being like, Mum, we're missing some

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<v Speaker 1>team members. We don't have a very small gag. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where's we need this guy and this guy. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>get looking. But no, I remember because of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that she had worked so relentlessly hard for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>never felt like I went without every time someone got

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the latest jacket that was cool to buy was,

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<v Speaker 1>or the latest video game or whatever, like, she always

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<v Speaker 1>made sure that I was within trending touch of the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the kids of like whatever the latest gadgets

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<v Speaker 1>or to always were. So she was phenomenal and she

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<v Speaker 1>is my absolute hero and none of this Hollywood stuff

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<v Speaker 1>happens without her. So yeah, I'm really lucky to have her.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's kind of nice to have hit a

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<v Speaker 1>point in my career now where you know, I can

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<v Speaker 1>look after her and repay her for everything that she

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<v Speaker 1>did for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, John, that's beautiful. Yea. I thought I loved her before,

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<v Speaker 2>but now I'm like even more obsessed with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She's said no, no, no, that she's

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<v Speaker 1>a great kaream correspondent to have.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, she's my favorite career and corresponding you're obviously

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<v Speaker 2>my second favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate that. Did you hear what she did with the

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<v Speaker 1>Nick loves the story about like when you started working?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you what was it? Like one of the goals

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<v Speaker 1>of acting essentially, and I was like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>like look after mom, And Nick goes, so, what'd you

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<v Speaker 1>do for he the first time you got paid? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, first time I got a US paycheck.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a first show I did when I was

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<v Speaker 1>like nineteen or twenty and it converted really well to

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<v Speaker 1>Australian dollars. So I remember when mum Woa dropped me

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<v Speaker 1>off to school. All the other mums had like really

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<v Speaker 1>nice you know, rain drovers or Merks or Audi's or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, Mum had like a two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and three like sky blue gray Toyota Camri, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like the most Asian car. It's the most like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the one on the manual and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like not sported stock everything every no bells and whistles,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about it. The color the most like generic, like

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like they made that color on accident, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it feels like. And so I remember thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I become a famous actor, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say I'm gonna get her a new car. So

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<v Speaker 1>I call her up and I was like, Mom, I

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<v Speaker 1>just got paid first US job. I'm seeing you this money.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do the Asian thing and invest it. Don't like

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<v Speaker 1>put it in the business.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like, yeah, don't be sensible.

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<v Speaker 1>Get something for yourself, buy a car, like, please just

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<v Speaker 1>do that for me. It's something I remember this story.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like it's people like because this sums up

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<v Speaker 1>my mom. So well, yeah, So I send the money.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rapped and I'm telling all the boys back on

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, just bought mum a new car twenty years old,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm killing it, and I'm thinking I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was a legend very much. Realized later that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>very special, but at the time I thought it was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I send the money and I'm like two

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<v Speaker 1>months from coming home for Christmas. I was like, Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>don't even tell me what car you get. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna see it in the driveway and it'll be like

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<v Speaker 1>a like just a moment for me, fastball two months,

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<v Speaker 1>get home, same cars in the driveway, same cars, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like and I was like, I knew where

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<v Speaker 1>she took the money she ran. She's a crook, she's

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<v Speaker 1>a thief. I want my money back. I'm livid. I

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<v Speaker 1>get back into the house. I've still got my bags

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like I'm holding suitcases. And she comes out

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, mom, like, I want my money back.

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<v Speaker 1>What savings bank accounts did you put it in? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like livid. And she she comes out with her

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<v Speaker 1>dishwashing gloves on and she's like, what's wrong. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I told you to get a new car.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, I did get a new cargo. No, the

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<v Speaker 1>Toylet camera is still in the in the driveway. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the new car. And I went she bought the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty like fifteen Toyota camera or whatever. It was sky

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<v Speaker 1>blewe gray, same color, not even changing the car. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not the sport edition, not like like no bells and

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<v Speaker 1>whistles again, kid, nothing, just fresh off the commercial, like

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<v Speaker 1>I want that one. And so she just got an

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<v Speaker 1>updated to it. I think the headlights were a little

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<v Speaker 1>more rounded, okay, cute, and maybe maybe their volume was

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<v Speaker 1>a little like higher or yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it had like a six ceda instead of two.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just exactly yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even be mad because.

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<v Speaker 2>How wholesome is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because in her mind she was balling out and I

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<v Speaker 1>realized it was all relative. I'm coming from la where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the nicest cars, you know, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>was like for her to be in the eastern suburbs

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<v Speaker 1>of Melbourne with her current year Toyota Camry.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like she's killing her.

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<v Speaker 1>She thinks she's like she's like got the window down.

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<v Speaker 4>She's got fifty Yeah, she's literally like she thought she

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<v Speaker 4>was like like she it was just it was and

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<v Speaker 4>it's just I think it's that immigrant, blue collar mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>Like for her, that was enough and so that's that

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<v Speaker 1>really hit me in the fields and the herd, and

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even be mad because it was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>for you, this is yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That story alone explains so much about you and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's so beautiful that you can be And again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is something people easily assume now seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the roles that you're in and the life that you

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<v Speaker 2>have in Hollywood, would forget that the beginnings were humble

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<v Speaker 2>and that that's really stuck with you because you do

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<v Speaker 2>have that reminder of like how amazing it is what

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<v Speaker 2>you do every day. But like, yeah, I just love

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<v Speaker 2>this show gives me such an opportunity to hear stories

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<v Speaker 2>like that about your life, and I think that's just

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<v Speaker 2>so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different. Yeah, if acting has given me anything, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a completely different camera position to a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>people's vantage points because I things, the schedule's different, the

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<v Speaker 1>people are different. It's just not It's a much more

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<v Speaker 1>colorful sort of industry, and you get I think every

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<v Speaker 1>workplace has drama or different characters or different personalities, but

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<v Speaker 1>like acting seems to really amplify those traits. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen people at the very best, they're very worst, they're

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<v Speaker 1>most generous, they're most selfish, and it's sort of been

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<v Speaker 1>their lightest all their darkest stuff. It's been really cool

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of be in the field for a while

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<v Speaker 1>and not to have lost my sanity.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, I know that you have

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<v Speaker 2>stayed that person that loves that about your mum. You know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>even though you've kind of gone to the heights of

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<v Speaker 2>wealth and fame and success, and like, part of this

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<v Speaker 2>show is reminding everyone that, like, those pinnacles are great

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<v Speaker 2>and important, but not everything, and in fact, probably less

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<v Speaker 2>generating of happiness and fulfillment maybe than like the smaller thing,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that your mum was just so satisfied and

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<v Speaker 2>stoked with that. It's just so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a granding force. Yeah, and more to your points,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought acting would solve everything. I thought all my problems,

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<v Speaker 1>like I just wanted to be rich and famous because

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I wanted the aspects of both. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the money because I want to look after mum, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted the fame because it was like maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>substitute or replacement for the love that I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get when I was younger. So it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that i'm even even now like sort of actively searching

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<v Speaker 1>for antison. But I it was a really fascinating thing

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<v Speaker 1>to hit this point where I was like, acting is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to solve that for you. It won't give

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<v Speaker 1>you the answers, it won't give you green lights down

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<v Speaker 1>the ticket and be like Okay, cool now, you're sorted,

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<v Speaker 1>and so not to say that I'm rich and famous

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. It's more just I've found a

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<v Speaker 1>level of success. I've sustained a Korea and even after

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred something episodes of US television and working

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<v Speaker 1>across people I never thought i'd ever imagine, like I

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<v Speaker 1>worked with two of the four Jennifers. Arguably there's five Jennifers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got love hewittt and I've got Ghana.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, which is pretty amazing. You've got Aniston.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm missing Aniston. You've got Lawrence, I'm missing Lawrence. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's one more. Who's the Lopez? Oh yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it will go Lopez next. Yeah, I'll call my

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<v Speaker 1>team after this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, get your people to call. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you tea that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go, let's go. It's like Pokemon, We're just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you've got to catch them. Jennifer's that's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Only reason I started acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Really Okay, well that's really interesting. So the reason you

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<v Speaker 2>started acting I was reading that it actually was quite

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<v Speaker 2>not late, but just interesting that there was such a

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<v Speaker 2>focus for you, like such an ozsy childhood of basketball, tennis, footy,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it was an accidental performing arts like like

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<v Speaker 2>what was it a local action studio? There was a

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<v Speaker 2>free performing class that someone dragged you along to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was in Mount Waverley and was like the RSL.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like by the train station, like just like

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<v Speaker 1>it was. I don't even know. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>probably an accounting office that they turned into like an

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<v Speaker 1>acting studio. And I went up a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>had gone, and then I'd sort of followed suit, thinking like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be fun way to kill an afternoon. They

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<v Speaker 1>were giving like first free lesson sort of office, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I went out and then from there it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of my my drama teacher at school, Miss Carter. Miss

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<v Speaker 1>Carter was like the first person I think to see

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<v Speaker 1>a potential I think, whether you want to call it

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<v Speaker 1>un tapped charisma or whatever, she thought there was something

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<v Speaker 1>there and so she was always even though she would

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<v Speaker 1>always like yell at me in front of the other kids,

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a like a love hate like I

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<v Speaker 1>think she was like, yeah, which I I think I

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<v Speaker 1>had that with a lot of my teachers in school actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, they basically as soon as I got started

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<v Speaker 1>through her or I remember something happened where there was

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<v Speaker 1>a casting call in Melbourne for a Steven Spielberg Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Hanks project called The Pacific, which was the band of

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<v Speaker 1>brother spinoff right, and they were shooting in July, like

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<v Speaker 1>in the U yangs like literally like I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like so that's like yeah, yeah, yeah, I could

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<v Speaker 1>get there. Mom could drop me off there in her

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<v Speaker 1>camera that so then I was like okay. So they

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<v Speaker 1>were casting for there was a scene where Joseph Mazzelo

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<v Speaker 1>and Ramie Marlik, who no one knew at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>they come up to a cave and they see like

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<v Speaker 1>a kid come out and he's like, please don't shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a Japanese Souldioke who's clearly just been forced into,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, into the army. And I get on this bus.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like six of us, none of us really pursuing acting.

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<v Speaker 1>Like one is the casting director's neighbors kid. One was

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<v Speaker 1>someone that like she was at colds shopping was like

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to read for this thing? Like none

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<v Speaker 1>of us will.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So you weren't like scouted from acting schools or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You just were like I'll put my hand up.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just happy to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was glad to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't even a thing. And and so we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the Geelong and we do this read and they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you die. And then Chris and King and Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Laws and Dave Newton. I can't remember his name right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a huge casting director. Now apologies, i'ven't been in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia for twelve years. So yeah, I like Hollywood names

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<v Speaker 1>escape me. That sounded so arrogant.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, he did not come across. I don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>So they they liked me, they cast me. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I was on set two weeks later getting shot by

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<v Speaker 1>these guys and go to school later that day and

0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.640
<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, how is it? And I was like yeah,

0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.600
<v Speaker 1>He's like do you see Tom Hanks was like, nah,

0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.359
<v Speaker 1>is anyone famous? Like yeah, this is like weird, Like

0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.400
<v Speaker 1>it's weird, slow guy, It's really intense. And he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>what's his name, Rami something and this is like two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight. I don't know, and I just remember

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<v Speaker 1>it was like years later. As he blew up, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, how's it going, dude? That guy is killing

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.800
<v Speaker 1>it like, I think he's gonna win awards, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he won like for mister Robot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's right. And You're like I was there when

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<v Speaker 2>he was just.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I help people. I discovered him yeah yeah yeah,

0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and they launched his career when I was fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I was Yeah, it was our scene together.

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.480
<v Speaker 1>But then he won everything obviously for him in Rhapsody,

0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was really cool to see someone I'd never

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<v Speaker 1>seen someone like start at a level and then just

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<v Speaker 1>completely explode. So from a young kid getting into the industry,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was so awesome to see. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up working together again on the Little Thing

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.520
<v Speaker 1>with Denzel Washington and Dared Leedo, which the.

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<v Speaker 2>Insane Yeah amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels absurd too, because I'm like, I'm from Chadston

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<v Speaker 1>Shopping Center and like they're from New York or cool places,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that was really cool. And I remember I

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<v Speaker 1>went up to one certain He's like, hey for Army,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, hey, Army. We actually worked together

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>when I was like fourteen, and he was just as

0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.480
<v Speaker 1>intent full and slow and purposeful as I remember, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he s thinks that same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's not changed. So it's really cool. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think for someone like that who's reached the heights

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of you know, this entire industry, it's like it's cool

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 1>to see. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.680
<v Speaker 1>at it, I no longer desire that, so it's sort

0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.399
<v Speaker 1>of it's cool to have sort of witnessed it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think at the time, like I said, I was

0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.680
<v Speaker 1>chasing fame and money and now I now I've completely

0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.280
<v Speaker 1>shove it up and realized that my worth is not

0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.080
<v Speaker 1>tied to you know, acting, and I think it's maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the fifth or sixth most interesting thing that I consider

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<v Speaker 1>about myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, oh my god, well that's the perfect SoundBite for

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 2>this show, because that is absolutely I think what I'm

0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 2>at pains to show people that, like your career and

0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.719
<v Speaker 2>the amazing things that people achieve is absolutely incredible, but

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.480
<v Speaker 2>not the totality of your personality or your purpose or

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 2>meaning in life. But I think you do have to

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<v Speaker 2>go through that process of sort of setting those goals

0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.360
<v Speaker 2>when you're younger, maybe chasing those ideals for a little while,

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and then we all have this big realization. But one

0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.440
<v Speaker 2>thing you mentioned about the fact that seeing Rami go

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<v Speaker 2>from such an early stage in his career to this

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<v Speaker 2>like astronomical kind of you know, propulsion onto the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's also what people see you having done,

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.359
<v Speaker 2>which I think is you obviously, in your humility, won't

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 2>admit necessarily. But watching at Chatty Boy go from that

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.439
<v Speaker 2>to you know, the people that you've worked alongside is

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.200
<v Speaker 2>in some ways implausible. Whether or not you're still chasing

0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the success and the fame, the fact that you did

0:22:56.640 --> 0:23:00.520
<v Speaker 2>it is incredibly inspiring. So I think if we self

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.119
<v Speaker 2>select ourselves out of dreams, often because we're like that's impossible,

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>like how could I ever get to Hollywood? And at

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.120
<v Speaker 2>the time when you started acting, there weren't a lot

0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.199
<v Speaker 2>of roles for Asian actors. Oh no, there still probably

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 2>aren't that many. It's slowly changing. But for anyone who

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 2>is aspiring to do either acting specifically, or something that

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 2>seems impossible, particularly not being born into wealth or being

0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.040
<v Speaker 2>born as the grandson of Steven Spielberg or whatever, you

0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>still got opportunities to position yourself to get these incredible roles.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was actually reading that in your role on Librarians,

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 2>it was like it wasn't nepotism. It wasn't anything like that.

0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 2>It was a self tape that you did at home

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>with your mom. Yeah, yeah, so you can make it

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<v Speaker 2>of just like what do you think was the special

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 2>source and like how much self doubt along the way

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 2>interacted in like that's impossible. Did you ever think it

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:53.359
<v Speaker 2>was impossible or did you just go I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>make it to Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first thing they clarify, so the self that we Mum,

0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 1>that's a story that someone else ran. I've never actually

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.639
<v Speaker 1>said that, but really now out there on the internet.

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 1>It was a guy named James Rummel who did the

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<v Speaker 1>tape with me, and he'll be very livid if I

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>don't give him Yeah, mum, he'll be running lines for that.

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 1>But his mom has a very thick Korean accent, and

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't have the chemistry I think would have been.

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, now that k drama is a thing, it would

0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.640
<v Speaker 2>actually be like a huge advantage to have her in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, she Yeah, I think she might actually

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>be ethnic or diverse high now, so they need her.

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>But no, I think what I've realized is if you're

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.360
<v Speaker 1>going to go for anything like a dream and you're

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna a dream big and gun for it. I think

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm living proof that you can get there. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to temper your expectations. I remember getting to Los

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Angeles and there was a table of like we had

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>like four straight tables at this diner called Barney's of

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like it was like fifty actors and we had every

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:49.880
<v Speaker 1>varying level of act that like people would just get started.

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>People who won logis like all come from Australia, London,

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 1>South Africa, New Zealand, and we're all there, and we're

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 1>all there for everything called pilot season, which no longer exists,

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 1>which is brutal that it was a tough time. It

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 1>was competitive it friendships would get ruined, like it was

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>it was sort of you had to sort of find

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>safe all butit between all the big personalities and everyone

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.679
<v Speaker 1>was there for their dream and it was such a

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 1>unique thing. And now I think back on that table.

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I thought about this a couple of months ago, and

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I remember having a snapshot of that night and four

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of us are still maybe five, maybe six at most,

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But there was this thing of like only a few

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of you will make it to the next sort of phase,

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>like in my case, to just even say you're still

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.880
<v Speaker 1>doing it. What I realized now is it didn't mean

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that the other people that didn't didn't find happiness or

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't find fulfillment or didn't what it. Ultimately, what I've

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.159
<v Speaker 1>realized now is is like they actually got started on

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>other things quicker than we did. They have meaning and

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>purpose in all these other facets of their life and

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.439
<v Speaker 1>then things that really matter, because like I think a

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of actors now there's such a common like message,

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>especially on podcast or on talks with like, you know,

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>achieving your dreams won't give you everything you need. The

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>pot of gold is at the end of the rainbow.

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>It won't be everything. But still now I think there's

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that are coming up and they're like,

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I know that I just need to burn my hand

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>on that stove. Still I want to see it for myself.

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 1>And that's totally fine, Yeah, do that, but like you

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.479
<v Speaker 1>got to know, like you'll hit the point that I hit,

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>which was you look in the mirror one day and

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you're like, man, I just like the sacrifices you made.

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I think Joe Keery talks about it in that Chicago

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>song when I'm Back in Chicago and it's this idea

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that like, you don't see what you're trading off. Yeah,

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't see what you're sacrificing. And now, for the

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 1>first time in my life, I'm like, priorities like being

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>a better son, being a better friend, being a better uncle, Like, yeah,

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 1>that's all now filtered in in a way that's like,

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>it's the craziest thing because the work success is like

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 1>coming in buckets, but it means maybe the least that

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>it's ever meant to me. So it's it's a unique

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 1>time for me right now.

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, it's a really and it's a it's

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 2>a I feel so lucky to catch you at this

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 2>moment because that pivotal shift in your priorities and focus

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 2>is what this show is all about. But I also

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>do think you do have to burn your hand on

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 2>the stove and on the way there. There is also

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you do have to be willing to

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 2>sacrifice all those things for the short amount of time,

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe only even in the short term, but even business.

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 2>It's sort of like people are like, you know, how

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 2>do you have work life balance, And I'm like, well,

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the first three years you don't, because that's the bit.

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Where grind, you grind culture.

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's not something you can sustain or even

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.199
<v Speaker 2>that you want forever. But in that bit where you

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>went from, you know, a Tom Hanks and a Steven

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Spielberg movie is an incredible place to start. It was

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>a big set, which is like amazing. But then you

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>got an amazing role on Neighbors, which you had for

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 2>quite a while. But you were still at school, like

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you were juggling that with studies and at a pivotal

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 2>time of your life. You know, was there ever pressure

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>a to sort of do something conventional and particularly from

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.959
<v Speaker 2>an immigrant family, did you have pressure to I think

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are swayed away from creative pursuits

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>because they seem so implausible that you could make a

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 2>career out of it, right and B when you were

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 2>so focused on the success and the fame and everything,

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 2>how did you get there? Like for anyone who wants

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to be an actor and who does still want those

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 2>incredible roles, how did you get onto those US sets?

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>How did you decide to move from Australia over there?

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Do pilot season? Face the rejection, the failure, the I'm

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>sure like questioning am I good enough? Am I going

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>to get these roles. I got to make money. I'm broke,

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 2>like I'm meeting tore minute Nordics, all of that stuff,

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like what keeps you going? And how do you how

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>did you get to where you are?

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>So to answer the first question, Mum was so good

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to me. She never pressured me at or she was

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I think she she wanted me to be a lawyer

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>or a doctor or a lot of the typical things, but

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>she never really like I think for her after everything

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of that we've been through as a family unit,

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>she just wanted me to be happy and healthy. Oh

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I love it, And that was sort of I remember,

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>like after the Steven Spielberg think being like I'm going

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to be on Neighbors and she's like okay, He's like,

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>because that's what you got to do. You've got to

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>go on neighbors and then you go to America and

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>then you hit it big. It's like easy two plus

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>two his four formula.

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>So then I got yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah,

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>very Asian to me. Well she'll be proud now, but no.

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I So I get an agent and then I read

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>for a part on Neighbors, which I was like I'm

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>manifesting this like I was manifesting before. Manifesting was even

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>too manifesting male and manifesting of my two claims. So

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>then I go in to read for incredible casting director

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>names Lou Mitchell. I was fifteen at the time. She

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>was casting Neighbors, and I read for a part called Dale.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 2>McGregor, I've got that down down with Gregor, which I

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, that is so Asian.

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous, but I understand it. You know, there's, you know,

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously so many reasons why someone would have a westernized.

0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Halloway exactly super Korean.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Sample case and point. And so I went in and

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it was like the guy at the time

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>was like Declan. He was like the hot young guy

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>on Neighbors, and I was like, I'd like bully him

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>at lunchtime, which I physically I would have been half

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>his size, and I've never bullied anyone, so I was

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of just like, how do you bully someone? Like?

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like and so I remember the line was like, hey, Declan,

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>nice pants and then like you know, and then just

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>like giving him stick. But she saw something in me.

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>She cast me. So I did that for two years

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and I would say, the pressure you talked about to

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>get a conventional job, it didn't really come from my mum.

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I started feeling that pressure when I thought, Oh, the

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>kids at school will love me now because I'm on neighbors.

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>So that was this really sort of monumental moment for

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>me growing up that like I was like, Oh, the

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>kids in school will think I'm worthy of attention. I'll

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>get invited to birthdays. Now, I'll get to go to

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>all these things. Like I'm like, I thought, like, this

0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>is going to be the greatest thing ever. I'm on neighbors.

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Life is sweet. And it was a sort of a

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>watered down version of realizing now what I'm realizing, which is, oh,

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't solve everything. And so I would say, and

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I still to this day wrestle with

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Australia's I don't know if it's an Australian thing or

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>if it's maybe specific to my school, but I think

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>getting on neighbors at in high school it actually made

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>people resisted my desperate advances for love more like I

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>wanted the kids to like me. So I did this thing,

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and it was like showing them, like, look at this

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and then it was almost like the opposite effect, like yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I think our tall poppy culture is not great.

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>We heard at the time and even now when I

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>explain to Americans like wait, you're on a show with

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>literally like at six six thirty pm the night before

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and Channel ten like bullying literally bullying Margot Robbie or

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>bullying like you know, yeah, the hem Z whoever, whoever

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it was at the time, and just being a little heard,

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and then going to school the next day putting on

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>my uniform and then like the most you would get

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, oh, can you get us her number? And

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>then it's like like oh, And then you would hear

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like the little whispers, like you walk past into the canteen,

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you'd hear like I thinks he's Brad Pitt and you're like,

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.479
<v Speaker 1>oh my, You're like I just want you guys to

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>like me, like and so I that was what I

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>operated out of my entire probably the first decade of

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>my career. It was just I was a hurt kid

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to reapprove. And I don't know if

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it was Australia because I will say, like the kids

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>in the level above and the kids in the level

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>below were randomly much more supportive, and the kids at

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the high school down the.

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Road, yeah, just not your immediate peers.

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>It was this weird thing, and I think I was annoying.

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I think I was too grabby, Like I just wanted

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>them to think something of me and give me, assigned

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>me a value and say I deserve to be invited

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 1>to the party. And so having to have gone through

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>all that now I realized, like, ugh, even even as

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the career is doing its thing, I just the hurt

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>kid is the one that needs attention now, the version

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>of John that's getting make up and getting flown to

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta tomorrow for press and then I'm gonna be a

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>red cup room and then gone go coastal on the

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>move and get fitted out, like it's that's He's fine.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Like the person that I need to deal with and uh,

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and that I'm attending to now is like, oh, man,

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 1>like you you just wanted, like I don't know, you

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be loved and which is so cliche, but yeah,

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>my god, So that was that's the guy. You know,

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>he's crying right now and I want to I want

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to let him know everything is going to be fine,

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, oh my.

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 2>God, you're really doing the work right now, You're going

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>through it literally like a sense. I mean, I appreciate

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the vulnerability so much because again, like I think people

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 2>would expect that what you come on to a podcast

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>like this to talk about is like how glitzy is Hollywood,

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 2>how amazing is it all? And it's actually like sure

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 2>in a career sense, which is one facet of this

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>big pie chart of my life. Yeah, it's amazing, and

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 2>yes I had those goals as a young kid, but

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>actually the bigger reflections are like my inner worth, my family,

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 2>my joy, the fact that it did take you away

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>from your mum, you know, and you did move to

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the States, and it did cost you, you know a

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that now mean a lot to you.

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you definitely don't see it at the time, but yeah, it's.

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're young to be having already. This is

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 2>a cycle that I think a lot of people don't

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 2>hit this until like their thirties, forties and fifties, when

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 2>they have chased that success for even longer. I mean,

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>you had it at twenty, and a lot of people

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.399
<v Speaker 2>don't get the ability to buy their parents' cars until

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot later, so you've done this like speed version

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>of the success cycle.

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>It went quick. Yeah, the career went sort of gradually

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>went up altitude, like in a very linear and slow way.

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>But the realizations or like the lifestyle, like I was

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>always like going back to hotel rooms. I couldn't sign

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a least anyway, cause I didn't where I was going

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>to be in two months. Like it was. It was

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>a sort of Hitchhiker's Guide to Los Angeles. But I

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of hit a point where I was like, you

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>know what, We're just going to go all all out

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, to answer your second question, it was

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>just all about like blind faith, like I didn't know.

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't there was no guarantee, there was nothing to

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>say that I was going to succeed in this industry,

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to go until the wheels fell off.

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I thought, worst case scenario, I'll be twenty five,

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe in debt, maybe with some emotional scarring, but like

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Mabe trauma, maybe some trauma, yeah, maybe someone telling me

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>my face is unbearable. But like you know, at the time,

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, you're twenty two, twenty three, you're in

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, You're just thinking like we're just going for it.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think for anyone who's ever gone for anything

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>in their life, it's so commendable because it's a scary

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.479
<v Speaker 1>thing and it's a very brave thing to do. Even

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 1>just to take the first step is so admirable and

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>in a way, and so for me to still be

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>on the path, it's sort of this funny thing of

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>now like, oh, actually, regardless of all of the success

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>or maybe lack of success, who knows, maybe my phone

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 1>stops ringing tomorrow, but no doubt it, but you know.

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about it. Your phone has rung already, which

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>is soer exciting, so that's not going away.

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought it was a prank call.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 2>But well, I mean that's really interesting because I think

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 2>that is one of the kind of you know, there's

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>no secret source, but if there was to be a

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>secret source that you had to pick, it's the fact

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 2>that the wording that you used of worse case scenario.

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I think the fact that you just said worst case

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>it's not that bad, so you just go for it blindly,

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the key. It's more when you let

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 2>all the possible negatives, all the worst case scenarios like

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.879
<v Speaker 2>the failure. It's when you get overcome by that worst

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 2>case scenario rather than just going it's not that bad,

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 2>like I'll just do it. I'll still be in my

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>twenties like it's fine. I think that's the beautiful liberating

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>thing to realize it's not that bad, like I can

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>find something else, but why not just give it a go?

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 2>And obviously giving it a go has gone incredibly well

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 2>for you.

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>It's going going. I mean it's now I'm trying to

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>get it to stop a little bit. Then like the

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>snowballs down the hill and I'm like, oh nah at

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the hill.

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 2>So one thing that I really want to talk to

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>you about because you're in a really unique position of

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 2>having been in an industry for seventeen years for the

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 2>not just Asian Australians or Asian Americans, but any people

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of color, but particularly I think for Asian actors and

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 2>actresses in this You've been in it in a time

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>where you've gone from being the only non set if any,

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and very often cast Like you mentioned you're a Japanese soldier.

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think have you ever been cast as a

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Korean like actually.

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Ever once or twice yeah, okay, once or twice, like.

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 2>A seventeen year career to now, and like being cast

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>on things like which is so exciting for me that

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 2>you're on Hawaii five O. I have watched that entire thing, Like,

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 2>did Nick tell you we went back to the very beginning? No,

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.720
<v Speaker 2>we went back to episode one. Yeah, we've watched all

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 2>ten seasons, including your episode.

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>That's hilarious.

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 2>But again it's like often in these specific roles that

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>were like reserved for Asian actors, not just roles for

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.800
<v Speaker 2>all actors, and then you happen to be Asian, Whereas

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:43.919
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's been changing a lot recently, and

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 2>you've been on a press junket for a role in

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 2>an amazing production which hasn't stereotypically been like the character

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you are wasn't an Asian character. It was just a

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>character cruel intentions, guys, and you happen to be an

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Asian actor. So talk to us about how that's changed

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 2>for you over the last seventeen years from when you

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>started to now.

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 1>When I started and then this was my navity. Probably

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize Asian people or Hispanic people, or I

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:15.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize people of color had their role to play

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 1>around the default, which was the Caucasian character. I had

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>no idea, and it wasn't until it was pointed out

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to me, this idea of like, hey, like like I

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>would read for a part. And then a friend of

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.399
<v Speaker 1>mine like Lincoln unis one of the best Link.

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 2>He's been on these guys. I'll put the episode link

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah in the show.

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I love Link and he obviously the most open hearted,

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.359
<v Speaker 1>genuine human alive. And he would be like, hey, John,

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a part twenty romantic lover boy living up the street.

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And he'd be like, oh, you should read for this,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 1>and I'd be like, oh, I'm not going. They won't

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>read me. And it was something that occurred to me.

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, they don't read me ever for

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 1>like that the romantic No, I'm the like weird guy

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>in the bushes, or I'm the funny friend. I'm like

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a strange vibe like I'm not then't

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>never let me read for that like And it was

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.479
<v Speaker 1>like this moment of realization, like hang on a minute.

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 1>And so I had a call with my manager, who

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>have been with forever and he was like, John, I

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 1>don't care. I don't care like like it had been

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>pointed out to me that Asian men specifically, and that's

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>what I can speak through that have very different battle

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>than Asian women. Asian women, I guess their role as

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>far as being around the default was this over hyper

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 1>sexualization of.

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>The exotic woman.

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>They would have like a red streak in their hair,

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and they were a little dangerous and a little like

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:30.839
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Could you use a weapon, could use a weapon, could

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 2>kill you? But yes, yes, it was like silent assassine like.

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>That was there. That was their stick that Hollywood, these

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>like dudes owning these studios. That was like, that's what

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>they are now. For the Asian men, it was we

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>don't want to see them kissing. Yeah, we don't want

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 1>see them kissing a girl, Like they don't kiss they're

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.839
<v Speaker 1>not romantic people, like that's why they're women, you know.

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Won us like it was this like weird like underlying

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of color to the all the themes and motifs

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>were doing it, and so I didn't care. And I

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 1>think maybe if i'd known at the time, i'd been aware,

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I would have been more maybe hesitant, But at the time,

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, oh, okay, well that's just all

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>my expectations have been checked at the door anyway. So

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>for Asian men, it sort of became this over every

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of every half decade, there was a slight improvement

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:19.880
<v Speaker 1>half decade, every half dat every half decade it was

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>like hellow movie, Yeah, like okay, we can see them

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 1>holding hands with a girl now yeah, yeah, but not

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>first base, like we don't want to get to that's

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:34.359
<v Speaker 1>that's a little no no, no, no, sheek kisses only yeah, and.

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 2>So, which is very drama now there, now that goes well.

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Now, now, the hyper romanticism of that, it's it's it's

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>wonderful to see, but it was just it's it was

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy, and I think it fed into I

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>never really brought into this idea that I was doing

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>something special. I never bought into this idea that like

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 1>film and television is this super impactful second education for

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.359
<v Speaker 1>people during their formative years. And so when I grew

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>up in Australia and it was like, oh, like you know, offhandedly,

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's nothing that I haven't and it sort

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 1>of figured out now, But it was sort of at

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:06.359
<v Speaker 1>the time like, oh, Asian men weren't really desirable. Oh,

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>because when you got a TV. They're not really shown

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 1>in a way that's very oh okay, Like I didn't

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>make that connection, so I didn't really know. And so

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>now it's like really fascinating for someone if someone thinks

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like handsome. It's still a shock because during the

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:23.240
<v Speaker 1>most formative parts of my life, this long term answer

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>locked in of like Asian men.

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Aren't attractive and so desirable.

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so I remember I dated this beautiful girl

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>when I was like twenty one or twenty two, and

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 1>like we got back in touch like two years later,

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and she was like, how are you going. I was like, yeah,

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>She's like, how's it going with the ladies. I was like, oh,

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:40.879
<v Speaker 1>I'd be lucky to get a date. And she's like, oh,

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>you're still doing the well was me thing like that

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>stick still works for you? Like, and I don't think

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>she realized that wasn't a stick for me. That was

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a that was me actually believing that when she'd be like,

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you have a nice smile, I would just not. It's

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 1>just didn't I didn't. Yeah, So it's been a real

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>like detangling process of like my child and my my

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>adolescence and and and and now obviously I've had incredible

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>female co stars, romantic co stars that gave me the

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 1>space to sort of find my feet and and start

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 1>thinking myself a little bit as like, Okay, I'm not

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>like a full catch, but I'm like, I'm okay, I'm

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>not like like I'm like Cat. I'm like a sense

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 1>of humor, a decent personality. But yeah, I really had

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to sort of see, I've seen the industry change, and

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the ultimate conclusion I've I've realized is there's always going

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 1>to be things that are unfair and and and things

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that really just ultimately need to change. But if I

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>had known that ahead of time, I might not have

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.879
<v Speaker 1>pursued acting. So to sort of blindly just pursue it

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:46.879
<v Speaker 1>was sort of what got me ultimately here. And now,

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>like I realized, like a lot of roles I read

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>now are like, hey, he like goes on a date

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>with the girl, and I'm like, wow, this is like

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>like teenage me would be like no way.

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I kind of think that aavity and a lot of

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 2>scenarios is actually better that you don't go into it

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>knowing the full risks, because it's that blissful ignorance is

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of amazing. But I also think that for an

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 2>industry that is often considered quite not vacuous, but I

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people think that they can act

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 2>like that we all could act like if we tried

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.239
<v Speaker 2>hard enough, we could all do acting. It's just like,

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily, I don't think people understand. It can seem

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 2>really superficial, it can seem really surface level. But when

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you think about the impact of that industry just on

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 2>your life has in your reflection of how you see yourself,

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 2>even from someone who knows from the inside how convoluted

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>it is, the fact that you didn't think necessarily that

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 2>you were a romantic, desirable person because of what you

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 2>saw in the media around you. It's actually it's such

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:50.720
<v Speaker 2>a powerful industry, like what you see around you in TV, movies,

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:55.879
<v Speaker 2>even advertising visibility. Yeah, it reflects the world in your

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:57.840
<v Speaker 2>brain in a way that you don't even realize that

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 2>you're not considering yourself like your dating life because of

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 2>the way that you're being cast, which is fascinating and

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I think a really interesting reflection of how important it

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 2>is that you have been cast increasingly in roles that

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>aren't just reserved for the Asian guy, and that I

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 2>mean talk to us about cruel intentions, like that's a

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 2>super like tell us about your role and how that's

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 2>that's changed.

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 1>It's cool. Yeah, it was sort of just an open call.

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they had a specific person of color

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>in mind, or they had an idea. I think they

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 1>just wanted people to read the role originated was originated

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>in the film at least by Joshua Jackson, who is

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>he's the best, Like he's one of those handsome charismatic

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I think he's I respect his career so much, and

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it was sort of cool to especially I

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 1>grew up a massive Mighty Ducks fan. Oh my god.

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 1>To like be like to like Charlie Conway was.

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I'm playing a part of that

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.880
<v Speaker 1>that actor did and it was a cool like it

0:44:57.920 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 1>was a real feather in my cap. I wore that

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>like a badge because it was like it was cool

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>because I just know that ten years ago it wouldn't

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 1>have happened. Yeah, and so now it's like it's wonderful

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and I value it. I'm not ungrateful, but I'm also,

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like I mentioned, it's regardless, I would have found something else.

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 1>So we found my way, Like, you know, I think

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, when you realize everything's

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>going to be okay, you're just like, okay, cool. So

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.399
<v Speaker 1>it's a great opportunity. It's a great part. I didn't

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 1>even know what I'm allowed to say about it.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay, yeah, that's true that it's amazing.

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah's trouble. I think I can say that, and I

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>think the show will find its audience and yeah, I

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.279
<v Speaker 1>think it comes out. I don't know where the time

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 1>of recording. It's only a couple weeks away.

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 2>So oh, I got We watched the trailer last night.

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, there's my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 2>You should have seen Nick. He absolutely lost well the next

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 2>announce on his one that he absolutely lost his bananas about. Yeah,

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 2>but before we moved to that, and that will be

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>potentially time sensitive, I would be REMISSI me not to ask,

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 2>and I know that, Like, I don't want to portray

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that acting is your own type personality. But we are

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 2>so lucky to have your time. You do have so

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>much behind the scenes. Like one of the things I

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>love doing is shedding a light on stuff that the

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 2>average person just wouldn't get to know, right, So, like,

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 2>who's the coolest person you've met?

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what are.

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Some of like the random nitty gritty stuff about like

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 2>being in a trailer on set or stuff that just

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>from the outside you would have no idea, like actors' tricks,

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.839
<v Speaker 2>like how do you cry on demand? Like those kind

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:25.839
<v Speaker 2>of things that we just.

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Think industry secrets.

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the industry secrets that are and especially the shit ones,

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the ones that are like nitty gritty

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.280
<v Speaker 2>or not glamorous.

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And there's a Denzel story as well. I want you

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 2>to tell there's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, which I've heard

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 2>from like four different people.

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 1>It's the first thing everyone asks is what was it

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:50.279
<v Speaker 1>like when in Denzel? And yeah, I mean it was

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>an honor, it was a privilege. But I had a

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>friend of ours had worked with him previously, and his

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>advice was, when you see him on set, just you know, respectful,

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>treat him like anybody else. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, it's dense. You treat him like

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:11.879
<v Speaker 1>anybody else. Hey, that's your living god, he's And so

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I remember showing up to set and we sort of

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.280
<v Speaker 1>went through the works and see RAMI have a reunion

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 1>with him after however many years, and then okay, where's

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the big dog? And he goes, oh, any points and

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 1>he's there. He's like, there's a chair. He's sitting by himself,

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and he's got like one leg over the other, and

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>he's like he just looks so cool. He looks so

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 1>like he's like and I'm like, okay, well what do

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I do with this? You know, it's his movie. I'm

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.440
<v Speaker 1>going to go introduce myself and pay respect, and I'm

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be here for a week or two. So it

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 1>was substantial enough like reason to go over. And I

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.000
<v Speaker 1>remember going over and and he's sitting there. He's just

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 1>sort of and it looks really cool. Yeah. Yeah, And

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm so nervous. I think I had my

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:58.719
<v Speaker 1>hand out like maybe fifty meters away, like it was

0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 1>like like walking like this, like just like I you know,

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready, so nervous, and I'm like I'm shaken, really

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 1>like I'm sorry. And in the back of my head,

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm like everyone else on set is watching

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>this because he's such a presence, and and I go

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>up to him and I'm I'm like, mister Denzel Washington sir,

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 1>my name's John, and I'm really excited to work with you. Yes, smooth, Yeah,

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 1>And it was, it was, it was. He was really

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.359
<v Speaker 1>gracious about it. He was like a welcome young man.

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And he he let me hang for a second because

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I think he was processing what I just said, also

0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:44.439
<v Speaker 1>like and what you were doing, Stach, is this going

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 1>on our movie? Like is he like? And so in

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 1>that second I thought, I thought, oh, no, he's gonna

0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 1>like is he gonna And and then I was just

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking like maybe I walked past him and pretend like

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 1>it was going to someone else, But he was really

0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>he was really sweet about it. And and yeah, that's

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 1>probably one moment I've been like sweaty like about like fangirling.

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, oh my god, that was that one.

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I would no one in the world could not fangirl

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 2>every day.

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.880
<v Speaker 1>She was the best. He's the best. But then as

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.959
<v Speaker 1>far as industry secrets, it's kind of like in Harry Potter,

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you know that they talk about the room of requirement,

0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.560
<v Speaker 1>like the door is wherever you can find it. Yeah, yeah,

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 1>like for people like like you mentioned like crying, like

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people, it's I have to go

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>away put on music, or I can just you know,

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:27.360
<v Speaker 1>look at a spot and I can start getting a

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.399
<v Speaker 1>little deary about it. And then there's this one girl

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I worked with who she can on cue cry on

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>either eye, so if the camera's on this side, she

0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>can go right side, or the cameras on this touch

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 1>you can go left side. And she can control the

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.920
<v Speaker 1>tempo of out which the tears shut up, so she

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:46.879
<v Speaker 1>can time it like, let's say, like the very last

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 1>line of the scenes like I love You, she can

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:50.479
<v Speaker 1>weld up, well it up, and then she can literally

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.360
<v Speaker 1>hit it on like I love You single tear no,

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm convinced she can get it to go back

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 1>up at this point like I'm giving she yeah, and

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like oh, And then sometimes you just have to

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:02.719
<v Speaker 1>pay respect to people that you're like, I will never

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.320
<v Speaker 1>be able to do that. But oh that was really

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 1>that was crazy.

0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you mentioned the Denzel bit you thought everyone

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 2>was watching you when you're on a big set, and

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean the fact that your first set was such

0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 2>a big one is probably good in terms of it

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 2>not being so foreign when you actually were in a

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 2>main role. Do you forget, like I always wonder when

0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 2>you're watching like Friends, for example, and it looks like

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>you're totally in the zone, as if they are really

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>who they are. But then sometimes you watch the behind

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the scenes and you're like, oh my god, live audience,

0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Like how could they block that out and focus? Do

0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:39.319
<v Speaker 2>you not see the fifty people who are watching it?

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Or do you just get used to it?

0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like the compartmentalization is crazy, and it act his

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:49.040
<v Speaker 1>brain because you're conscious of you get to a point

0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>where you learn each skill and then you're able to

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>galvanize them into this very like effortless way. So like, yeah,

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>we talked about like romantic scenes and everyone's like, oh,

0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I could do that without like

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 1>getting feelings or being awkward or getting a bonut, whatever

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:03.680
<v Speaker 1>your reaction to it is.

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, I wasn't going to go there, like genuinely.

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's people physically touching each other. And

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.320
<v Speaker 1>so thankfully now we have intimacy coordinators and things like

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.759
<v Speaker 1>that to kind of oversee everything. That was sort of

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 1>a new introduction. But the biggest thing was I've realized

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 1>is like when you're acting, your your brain is so

0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>focused on where the light that like the light they're

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to hit you with where the camera is, where

0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the boom mic is am I saying it at a

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 1>level that am I staying in frame? Am I on

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the right? Like the prop that I need to show

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 1>is that it's coming up into frame? Is it high enough?

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Like it's so technical, so the people that are able

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 1>to make it look as like untechnical as possible, at

0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:43.840
<v Speaker 1>least technical as possible. That's the true art form in

0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 1>like hitting your mark, turning knowing, Okay, this person's a

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.839
<v Speaker 1>little off their mark, and so I'm behind the camera now,

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>so I need to actually give them that it just

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>on the fly, say the line, hit your light and

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 1>look naturally, you've a good read, look natural, and then

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>give you your co star enough. It's like that's the

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:02.879
<v Speaker 1>art of film and telvision to me now, it's insane. Yeah.

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>And then there's some people who are like, I'm an artist,

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 1>just follow me with the camera.

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I was, Yeah, I can't, I.

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Can't do I know, I know my limitations. Yeah.

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 2>So your method is it like you become the character

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.680
<v Speaker 2>that you are for the duration of the filming or

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 2>are you really like on off or I'm on off.

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I've never been I don't want to say good enough

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to put it in like fields

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 1>of like good and bad. But like, there are actors

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.840
<v Speaker 1>who are incredible and have to stay in character to

0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:29.920
<v Speaker 1>give the performance that they need to give. Yeah, I

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily see how that would work for me. But

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:34.880
<v Speaker 1>like for me, it's like I've already worked on the

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 1>accent for months and months. I've already worked on the

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 1>character for months and months. I've worked on what he's

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, we've done the fitting, we've done hair and

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.040
<v Speaker 1>makeup test, so I know the kind of cadence of

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe like the voice or whatever. But at the end

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of the day, like for me, it's it's just about

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 1>giving a great read, being there for my my scene partner,

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.319
<v Speaker 1>and moving forward. So maybe it's a boring approach, but

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:53.759
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of just the approach that's worked for me.

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Maybe healthier as well, because you're not like, am.

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, yeah, I've learned now, like and this is

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.280
<v Speaker 1>any thing I don't make. Go for a job interview

0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the other day and he's like, dude, I should have

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>done this, I should have worn these socks and I

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.680
<v Speaker 1>should have and I'm like and welcome to being an actor,

0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:10.799
<v Speaker 1>it's all about like overthinking your choices totally. So I

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:14.279
<v Speaker 1>think that's something I've come off thankfully because that was

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 1>ahead mess messes.

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:24.640
<v Speaker 2>And so for your lines, that's something I always wonder about,

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 2>like the TV that I do, which is so different obviously,

0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I like we sometimes get teleprompters if it's really technical,

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>if it's something like a lot of a wellness is

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 2>like ingredients for pharmaceuticals and stuff, so you have to

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.120
<v Speaker 2>memorize some chunks, but like not really And then when

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:40.839
<v Speaker 2>I think about that, and then I think about the

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 2>length of an episode of a TV show and the

0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 2>lines that you have to but also I'm being myself.

0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 2>You're pretending to be someone else and making it natural.

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:53.120
<v Speaker 2>How much are you memorizing at once? Like in one

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:56.120
<v Speaker 2>day are you filming? Like do you just remember a

0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:58.759
<v Speaker 2>block and then you've cut that and then you move

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 2>to the next block, Like I just and get how

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:01.760
<v Speaker 2>you guys remember your lines?

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a lot cruel intentions. Phoebe Fisher who she

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>came from Euphoria and Sarah Goodman came from the original

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Gossip Girl. They were our showrunners and when they put

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the scripts together, the dialogue is fast, witty, quick snap action.

0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:16.960
<v Speaker 1>It's very succession y but set in a college sort

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 1>of world.

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm excited.

0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>So that was the kind of that was a really

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 1>hard adjustment for some of the cast because they were

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe more used to shows that the dialogue wasn't as tight. Yeah,

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it was real sharp and it was real like just

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>it was so witty that the scripts were incredible and cruel,

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and so it was cool to see everyone's process. Some

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>of them would you know, call me up the night

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 1>before and like, can we just run lines on the phone? Right?

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Some of them would do their own things. Some of

0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>them were able to show up in the morning how

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.719
<v Speaker 1>read it'd be like, cool, we're moving. For me, I'm

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty slow, So for me I would just have to

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:53.759
<v Speaker 1>sit there with my coach and be like all right,

0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>line one and just like you just start getting to

0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 1>work on it and eventually you stuck in a rhythm.

0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:02.120
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I would love to say have a photo

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>photographic memory, but I'm from Chatty.

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 2>I was always wondering how you do it without one, Like,

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 2>so would you have when you're actually filming? Would you

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 2>just have your paper like there and you're kind of

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:13.680
<v Speaker 2>going back and both back and forth.

0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of people will bring their scripts to set,

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:17.839
<v Speaker 1>which either shows you're unprepared or it shows you're open

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.799
<v Speaker 1>to collaborating. It depends on you know, wait, people shut

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>up without it.

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what how do you remember the work?

0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 1>My first day on the Librarians, I think I was nineteen,

0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and Noel Wiley, who was the lead, came over. He

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:33.560
<v Speaker 1>came off er, which is just all medical jargon.

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Yez, that's the thing. I'm like, how do they do

0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:37.720
<v Speaker 2>that without looking like they're remembering?

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 1>He was incredible. Yeah, he came up and he saw

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 1>me with my scripting. He went okay, and it was

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>like and I was like, I just saw everyone else

0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 1>bringing their their scripts and I realized on Er they

0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>had a rule doing it. Yeah. Sorry, he explained that.

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.480
<v Speaker 1>He's like, she's it basically meant you didn't do your

0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 1>work on the weekend. Yeah, So I was like, I'm

0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 1>going to do my work on because I don't want

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.319
<v Speaker 1>to feel like I don't know what I'm talking about.

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.319
<v Speaker 2>To be fair, the amount of like Er and House

0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that I've watched, I could like radle off some suck ordosis.

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a proper like you're a qualified doctor. Now obviously

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:12.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that's how you treat people.

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 2>But that blows my mind, especially without feeling like you

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 2>have a photographic memory still being able to do it

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.200
<v Speaker 2>and with the emotion that you need to bring.

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:22.600
<v Speaker 1>There and you're bringing on an accent, and then it's

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:25.319
<v Speaker 1>it's a hard job. I say like this, people go,

0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I want to get into acting. I go, it is

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the easiest hard thing you'll ever do in your life,

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 1>because it's just going to be. It's going to in

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.319
<v Speaker 1>some ways, it's going to be like quite natural. In

0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:35.520
<v Speaker 1>some ways you're gonna be like, oh, it wasn't expecting like, oh,

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 1>half my job is like not looking sweaty in a

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.319
<v Speaker 1>scene that was shooting in the middle of summer because

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it's been win so I'm in this hoodie and like

0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:47.880
<v Speaker 1>like it's a random, random, random industry.

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, And what about the like prep in terms

0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:56.759
<v Speaker 2>of accents training, Like you mentioned that you've got some

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 2>training coming up that you need to do, like when

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:00.880
<v Speaker 2>you have to do bodily changes and stuff like do

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you get a timeline? And they're like, from now you

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 2>know that you need to look like this by then

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 2>or sound like this by then yeah, and then you

0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:09.640
<v Speaker 2>get the resources or do you go do it yourself?

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Like how do you work that out?

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.360
<v Speaker 1>It's the worst. Yeah, it's the worst. Sucks. When I

0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 1>was twenty or when I was younger, I definitely, I

0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 1>definitely like probably broached like eating disorder territory with it

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>because you were so committed to the part and you

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do a great job for them. And as

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I explained it was my coach started had explained to

0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:30.959
<v Speaker 1>me that recently. She was like I remember that time

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.760
<v Speaker 1>you lost the light in your eyes and I was like,

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:36.040
<v Speaker 1>oh wow, so I really went like far. But it's

0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the worst because you put this pressure on yourself. Then

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you get a script and let's say your character his

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>name is Adam. It'll say Adam takes his shirt off,

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 1>his body is more incredible than we ever imagined, Like

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 1>who who wrote this? And also like I want to

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:53.000
<v Speaker 1>look like I like Adam. There's no need for Adam

0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:55.720
<v Speaker 1>is a twenty eight year old accountant. Why does he

0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:57.680
<v Speaker 1>have a ten pass? Why? Yeah? Like why would it?

0:57:57.880 --> 0:57:59.479
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like I want to look like I run

0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 1>twice week and maybe skip the Zingerburger every now and then,

0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the body I would like to portray the

0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:09.120
<v Speaker 1>live in. Yeah, it's definitely obviously it's a well documented thing,

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the bodily pressures of being in Hollywood, and I think

0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:13.720
<v Speaker 1>even worse for women. So I mean, I can complain

0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>all like one, but I think I think as bad

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 1>as it is for guys who feel like they need

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to show off their abs or whatever, I think women

0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 1>have a whole other just boat load of insecurities and

0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:27.560
<v Speaker 1>things that get surfaced and brought up because because like

0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I think the industry has a problem, like it has

0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a bodily image problem, and I just like my favorite

0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 1>actor is now like James Gandelfini from Sopranos or John

0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Taturo or Bill Camp or all these guys that are

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:45.880
<v Speaker 1>just like it's not about the the superhero look. It's

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 1>it's more just you know, going to be a real

0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>person and do people want to watch this? And is

0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 1>it interesting? And can I connect? But that's maybe also

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 1>just in line with my mentality now of like, oh,

0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't define you, it doesn't really matter at the

0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>end of the day.

0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:59.920
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that you said the pressures for women. Perhaps

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I actually think that we've come a long way in

0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 2>understanding what those pressures are. Whereas I think for men

0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it's dismissed. It's sort of like you're not allowed to

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:10.320
<v Speaker 2>have body image is shoes because you're a dude. Yeah,

0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Whereas it's almost like it's not as accepted for you

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:15.440
<v Speaker 2>to be self conscious.

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 2>To Like, I've had a lot of guys sort of

0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:23.080
<v Speaker 2>say they don't feel as comfortable to have body image

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:25.800
<v Speaker 2>issues because it's not accepted as a masculine problem, you

0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:27.600
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. Like it is like, oh, women can,

0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>but like men can't, right, Yeah, Or they wouldn't talk

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.959
<v Speaker 2>about having an eating disorder or author ex or anything

0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 2>because it's less well known.

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:36.720
<v Speaker 1>It goes in both ways in a sense. I think

0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I think overall improvement needs to happen. But in my opinion,

0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't speak for the vast majority, but I think

0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.120
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, like there needs to

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 1>be injected a higher level of compassion.

0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:55.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think this idea of like just ridiculously cut

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:58.960
<v Speaker 1>or ridiculously you know whatever sexy and trendy at the

0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:02.120
<v Speaker 1>time bodies for guys and girls, I think it just

1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:06.000
<v Speaker 1>we need to come back, We need to come off

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 1>it because we're all born different and like you know,

1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like men will get be sensitive about their height and

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you realize it's not Actually it's less to do with

1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:16.760
<v Speaker 1>like oh they walk around being like I can't reach something.

1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:20.440
<v Speaker 1>It's more to do with like it's not funny. It's

1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 1>not like an actual like day to day thing. It's

1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.960
<v Speaker 1>an internal like thing of like what it means to

1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.560
<v Speaker 1>be taller or shorter or average hime.

1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:29.720
<v Speaker 2>What society thinks.

1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Or what society do you think? And I'm living proof

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of like I let society and their opinions move me

1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>to another country for twelve years, so like whilst I

1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:43.720
<v Speaker 1>found success and whatnot, I feel a little like Frodo,

1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I went to the shift the Shire and now

1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like coming back and they're like, how are you doing?

1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like still burnt from Ount Mortal, but I

1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:53.040
<v Speaker 1>dropped the ring and I feel that's what it feels like.

1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've definitely gone out and learned some stuff.

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I met some great friends, but I think it's time

1:00:57.600 --> 1:00:59.120
<v Speaker 1>for this hobbit to kind of come back to the

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Shire for a little bit.

1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, we'd be thrilled with that we did actually

1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.320
<v Speaker 2>go and get oh my god, well before you do that,

1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:14.200
<v Speaker 2>you do have one very big project which is just

1:01:14.240 --> 1:01:16.320
<v Speaker 2>coming out, which Nick is thrilled about.

1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:18.920
<v Speaker 1>He is more excited than I am, absolutely more excited

1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:19.760
<v Speaker 1>than you. Incredible.

1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know you can't say much about it, but

1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:25.640
<v Speaker 2>say what you can. Congratulations, thank you, and then coming

1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:26.640
<v Speaker 2>back to the Shire after that.

1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so I guess I recently found out I'm

1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:34.040
<v Speaker 1>going to be doing a movie at least until now,

1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.640
<v Speaker 1>because because things are subject to change obviously in this industry,

1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:38.560
<v Speaker 1>at a moment's notice, you.

1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Could be cutting this whole bit exactly.

1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Himself. No. I it's looking at this time of recording

1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:51.680
<v Speaker 1>like I'll be jumping on the new live action Vultron,

1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:55.480
<v Speaker 1>so that should be fun. But Nick is more. He

1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.440
<v Speaker 1>was at the cafe like eyes like just blown up,

1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and he ran.

1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Home to tell me as if it was like you

1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:03.000
<v Speaker 2>were pregnant or ya.

1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, well, if I got married that day,

1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:08.120
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have mentioned it. It would have been all about that.

1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would have said it on Instagram, be like,

1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:13.280
<v Speaker 2>why need you tell me You're at his wedding Jesus,

1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Well that's super exciting. Congratulations, But I think actually the

1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:20.800
<v Speaker 2>bigger congratulations for you is where you're at right now

1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.600
<v Speaker 2>with It's funny that at the very beginning you said

1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:25.439
<v Speaker 2>you looked at other kids and you were like, Wow,

1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:27.600
<v Speaker 2>they're all really like balanced and well adjusted, Whereas I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that's what I think of is you right now,

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<v Speaker 2>You're coming to this table like very well adjusted, like

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<v Speaker 2>very grounded in a lot of perspective. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>you've been through a lot of reflection.

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<v Speaker 1>As as everyone. You know, I don't own the rights

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<v Speaker 1>to being insecure or being in my own head or overthinking,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm conscious of that. And you know, if I

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<v Speaker 1>have a wish for myself for the next fifty sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy years or however long I'm allowed to live, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like just just treating people really nicely. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's that's sort of I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good person, which a good man, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I think that's going to be a for

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<v Speaker 1>evolusive goal, but you know, we'll keep chasing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're doing pretty well well. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for joining. It's been an absolute pleasure, And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>include links in the show notes to everything you're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>all the places people can find you want to picture

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<v Speaker 2>of the camera get I can go, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to be the cover of the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, your mom needs her own page, so we

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<v Speaker 2>can all just get around it. If I found out

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<v Speaker 2>anyone is going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a mom, she would she is. She's loving life

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I have to invite her. She's definitely coming

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<v Speaker 2>to Teddy's Furst. You're not invited because you'll be away,

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<v Speaker 2>but she, she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll bring actual rice cakes. Yes, thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks SIRH appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was blown away the first time I

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<v Speaker 2>had this chat, but I've continued to be so every

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<v Speaker 2>time I've listened. It was just such an incredible, real

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<v Speaker 2>time insight into the very essence of finding your deepest,

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<v Speaker 2>truest yea and wading through what society considers to be

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<v Speaker 2>the pinnacle of success. I mean, there's nothing glitzy and

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<v Speaker 2>glamorous than Hollywood, and John has gone on to achieve

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<v Speaker 2>things I'm sure childhood him could never have dreamed would

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<v Speaker 2>come true. And yes, of course it's incredible as he acknowledges,

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<v Speaker 2>but also watching him weigh his way back to other

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<v Speaker 2>things that give him joy and the things that really

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<v Speaker 2>matter to him. All of that clarity coming in was

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<v Speaker 2>just so fascinating to listen to. I hung on to

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<v Speaker 2>every single word, and if you did too, you'll understand why.

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<v Speaker 2>I would especially love your support more than usual in

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<v Speaker 2>thanking John for his time, for being so vulnerable with

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<v Speaker 2>something that's such a recent revelation, for him, for coming

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<v Speaker 2>on a podcast when he never does them, and I

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<v Speaker 2>still can't believe this is his first one. Just what

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute legend. He is such a nice guy. From

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I met him, I was just taken

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<v Speaker 2>by his humility and his kindness and warmth. So please

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<v Speaker 2>share the episode if you enjoyed it, any takeaways you've

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<v Speaker 2>had along the way, or if you're watching him in

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<v Speaker 2>crauel intentions, do tag him let him know what you

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<v Speaker 2>think at John Harlan Kim on Instagram. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute legend. I feel so lucky to have had

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<v Speaker 2>him on the show this week. In the meantime, what

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<v Speaker 2>a big few weeks it's been of incredible chats and guests.

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<v Speaker 2>We're really well and truly getting our momentum back after

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<v Speaker 2>such a slowed down as I got used to life

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<v Speaker 2>with Teddy, but it's wonderful to be back in the flow.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all so much for the support and love

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<v Speaker 2>and listening along. I hope you're all feeling festive and

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<v Speaker 2>are seizing your yay