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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 2: one way. So this is the platform to hear and

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore

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Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day

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Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah. A lawyer turned

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Speaker 2: funentrepreneurs wapped the suits and heels to co found matcha

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Speaker 2: I recorded this chat at producing studios in Melbourne, who

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Speaker 3: It's just the way that he was amazing kind of

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I don't know, and I just remember

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Speaker 1: it was like years later. As he blew up, he

433
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 1: was like, how's it going, dude? That guy is killing

434
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: it like, I think he's gonna win awards, and then

435
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: he won like for mister Robot.

436
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Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. And You're like I was there when

437
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 2: he was just.

438
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I help people. I discovered him yeah yeah yeah,

439
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: and they launched his career when I was fourteen.

440
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 2: I was Yeah, it was our scene together.

441
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: But then he won everything obviously for him in Rhapsody,

442
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: and it was really cool to see someone I'd never

443
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: seen someone like start at a level and then just

444
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 1: completely explode. So from a young kid getting into the industry,

445
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: it was it was so awesome to see. And then

446
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 1: we ended up working together again on the Little Thing

447
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: with Denzel Washington and Dared Leedo, which the.

448
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: Insane Yeah amazing.

449
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: It feels absurd too, because I'm like, I'm from Chadston

450
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: Shopping Center and like they're from New York or cool places,

451
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: and so that was really cool. And I remember I

452
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: went up to one certain He's like, hey for Army,

453
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, Army. We actually worked together

454
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen, and he was just as

455
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: intent full and slow and purposeful as I remember, and.

456
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: Like he s thinks that same way.

457
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's not changed. So it's really cool. I mean,

458
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: I think for someone like that who's reached the heights

459
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: of you know, this entire industry, it's like it's cool

460
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: to see. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look

461
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: at it, I no longer desire that, so it's sort

462
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 1: of it's cool to have sort of witnessed it. But

463
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Speaker 1: I think at the time, like I said, I was

464
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: chasing fame and money and now I now I've completely

465
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Speaker 1: shove it up and realized that my worth is not

466
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: tied to you know, acting, and I think it's maybe

467
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth most interesting thing that I consider

468
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: about myself.

469
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: Now, oh my god, well that's the perfect SoundBite for

470
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: this show, because that is absolutely I think what I'm

471
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: at pains to show people that, like your career and

472
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 2: the amazing things that people achieve is absolutely incredible, but

473
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: not the totality of your personality or your purpose or

474
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: meaning in life. But I think you do have to

475
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: go through that process of sort of setting those goals

476
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: when you're younger, maybe chasing those ideals for a little while,

477
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: and then we all have this big realization. But one

478
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: thing you mentioned about the fact that seeing Rami go

479
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: from such an early stage in his career to this

480
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 2: like astronomical kind of you know, propulsion onto the scenes.

481
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: That's the ceiling.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's also what people see you having done,

483
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: which I think is you obviously, in your humility, won't

484
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: admit necessarily. But watching at Chatty Boy go from that

485
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 2: to you know, the people that you've worked alongside is

486
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: in some ways implausible. Whether or not you're still chasing

487
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: the success and the fame, the fact that you did

488
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: it is incredibly inspiring. So I think if we self

489
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 2: select ourselves out of dreams, often because we're like that's impossible,

490
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: like how could I ever get to Hollywood? And at

491
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: the time when you started acting, there weren't a lot

492
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Speaker 2: of roles for Asian actors. Oh no, there still probably

493
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: aren't that many. It's slowly changing. But for anyone who

494
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: is aspiring to do either acting specifically, or something that

495
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: seems impossible, particularly not being born into wealth or being

496
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: born as the grandson of Steven Spielberg or whatever, you

497
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: still got opportunities to position yourself to get these incredible roles.

498
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Speaker 2: And I was actually reading that in your role on Librarians,

499
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: it was like it wasn't nepotism. It wasn't anything like that.

500
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: It was a self tape that you did at home

501
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: with your mom. Yeah, yeah, so you can make it

502
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 2: of just like what do you think was the special

503
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: source and like how much self doubt along the way

504
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: interacted in like that's impossible. Did you ever think it

505
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: was impossible or did you just go I'm going to

506
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Speaker 2: make it to Hollywood.

507
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Speaker 1: Well, first thing they clarify, so the self that we Mum,

508
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: that's a story that someone else ran. I've never actually

509
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: said that, but really now out there on the internet.

510
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: It was a guy named James Rummel who did the

511
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Speaker 1: tape with me, and he'll be very livid if I

512
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: don't give him Yeah, mum, he'll be running lines for that.

513
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Speaker 1: But his mom has a very thick Korean accent, and

514
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have the chemistry I think would have been.

515
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: Well, now that k drama is a thing, it would

516
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: actually be like a huge advantage to have her in there.

517
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, she Yeah, I think she might actually

518
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: be ethnic or diverse high now, so they need her.

519
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: But no, I think what I've realized is if you're

520
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: going to go for anything like a dream and you're

521
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: gonna a dream big and gun for it. I think

522
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: I'm living proof that you can get there. Yeah, you

523
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: have to temper your expectations. I remember getting to Los

524
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: Angeles and there was a table of like we had

525
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: like four straight tables at this diner called Barney's of

526
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: like it was like fifty actors and we had every

527
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: varying level of act that like people would just get started.

528
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Speaker 1: People who won logis like all come from Australia, London,

529
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: South Africa, New Zealand, and we're all there, and we're

530
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: all there for everything called pilot season, which no longer exists,

531
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: which is brutal that it was a tough time. It

532
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: was competitive it friendships would get ruined, like it was

533
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: it was sort of you had to sort of find

534
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: safe all butit between all the big personalities and everyone

535
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: was there for their dream and it was such a

536
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: unique thing. And now I think back on that table.

537
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: I thought about this a couple of months ago, and

538
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: I remember having a snapshot of that night and four

539
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: of us are still maybe five, maybe six at most,

540
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: But there was this thing of like only a few

541
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: of you will make it to the next sort of phase,

542
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: like in my case, to just even say you're still

543
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: doing it. What I realized now is it didn't mean

544
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: that the other people that didn't didn't find happiness or

545
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: didn't find fulfillment or didn't what it. Ultimately, what I've

546
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: realized now is is like they actually got started on

547
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: other things quicker than we did. They have meaning and

548
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: purpose in all these other facets of their life and

549
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: then things that really matter, because like I think a

550
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of actors now there's such a common like message,

551
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: especially on podcast or on talks with like, you know,

552
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: achieving your dreams won't give you everything you need. The

553
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: pot of gold is at the end of the rainbow.

554
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: It won't be everything. But still now I think there's

555
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are coming up and they're like,

556
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: I know that I just need to burn my hand

557
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: on that stove. Still I want to see it for myself.

558
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: And that's totally fine, Yeah, do that, but like you

559
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: got to know, like you'll hit the point that I hit,

560
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: which was you look in the mirror one day and

561
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I just like the sacrifices you made.

562
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: I think Joe Keery talks about it in that Chicago

563
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: song when I'm Back in Chicago and it's this idea

564
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: that like, you don't see what you're trading off. Yeah,

565
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: you don't see what you're sacrificing. And now, for the

566
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: first time in my life, I'm like, priorities like being

567
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: a better son, being a better friend, being a better uncle, Like, yeah,

568
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: that's all now filtered in in a way that's like,

569
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: it's the craziest thing because the work success is like

570
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: coming in buckets, but it means maybe the least that

571
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: it's ever meant to me. So it's it's a unique

572
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: time for me right now.

573
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's a really and it's a it's

574
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: a I feel so lucky to catch you at this

575
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 2: moment because that pivotal shift in your priorities and focus

576
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: is what this show is all about. But I also

577
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: do think you do have to burn your hand on

578
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: the stove and on the way there. There is also

579
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: the fact that you do have to be willing to

580
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: sacrifice all those things for the short amount of time,

581
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: maybe only even in the short term, but even business.

582
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: It's sort of like people are like, you know, how

583
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: do you have work life balance, And I'm like, well,

584
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: the first three years you don't, because that's the bit.

585
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Where grind, you grind culture.

586
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not something you can sustain or even

587
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 2: that you want forever. But in that bit where you

588
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: went from, you know, a Tom Hanks and a Steven

589
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: Spielberg movie is an incredible place to start. It was

590
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: a big set, which is like amazing. But then you

591
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: got an amazing role on Neighbors, which you had for

592
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: quite a while. But you were still at school, like

593
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: you were juggling that with studies and at a pivotal

594
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: time of your life. You know, was there ever pressure

595
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: a to sort of do something conventional and particularly from

596
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 2: an immigrant family, did you have pressure to I think

597
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people are swayed away from creative pursuits

598
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: because they seem so implausible that you could make a

599
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: career out of it, right and B when you were

600
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: so focused on the success and the fame and everything,

601
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: how did you get there? Like for anyone who wants

602
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: to be an actor and who does still want those

603
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: incredible roles, how did you get onto those US sets?

604
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: How did you decide to move from Australia over there?

605
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: Do pilot season? Face the rejection, the failure, the I'm

606
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: sure like questioning am I good enough? Am I going

607
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: to get these roles. I got to make money. I'm broke,

608
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: like I'm meeting tore minute Nordics, all of that stuff,

609
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: like what keeps you going? And how do you how

610
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: did you get to where you are?

611
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: So to answer the first question, Mum was so good

612
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: to me. She never pressured me at or she was

613
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: I think she she wanted me to be a lawyer

614
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: or a doctor or a lot of the typical things, but

615
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: she never really like I think for her after everything

616
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: sort of that we've been through as a family unit,

617
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: she just wanted me to be happy and healthy. Oh

618
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: I love it, And that was sort of I remember,

619
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: like after the Steven Spielberg think being like I'm going

620
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: to be on Neighbors and she's like okay, He's like,

621
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: because that's what you got to do. You've got to

622
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: go on neighbors and then you go to America and

623
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: then you hit it big. It's like easy two plus

624
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: two his four formula.

625
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: So then I got yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah,

627
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: very Asian to me. Well she'll be proud now, but no.

628
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: I So I get an agent and then I read

629
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: for a part on Neighbors, which I was like I'm

630
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: manifesting this like I was manifesting before. Manifesting was even

631
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: too manifesting male and manifesting of my two claims. So

632
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: then I go in to read for incredible casting director

633
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: names Lou Mitchell. I was fifteen at the time. She

634
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: was casting Neighbors, and I read for a part called Dale.

635
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: McGregor, I've got that down down with Gregor, which I

636
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: was like, that is so Asian.

637
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: Ridiculous, but I understand it. You know, there's, you know,

638
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: obviously so many reasons why someone would have a westernized.

639
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: Halloway exactly super Korean.

640
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: Sample case and point. And so I went in and

641
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: I think it was like the guy at the time

642
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: was like Declan. He was like the hot young guy

643
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: on Neighbors, and I was like, I'd like bully him

644
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: at lunchtime, which I physically I would have been half

645
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: his size, and I've never bullied anyone, so I was

646
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: sort of just like, how do you bully someone? Like?

647
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't like and so I remember the line was like, hey, Declan,

648
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: nice pants and then like you know, and then just

649
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: like giving him stick. But she saw something in me.

650
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: She cast me. So I did that for two years

651
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: and I would say, the pressure you talked about to

652
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: get a conventional job, it didn't really come from my mum.

653
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: I started feeling that pressure when I thought, Oh, the

654
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: kids at school will love me now because I'm on neighbors.

655
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: So that was this really sort of monumental moment for

656
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: me growing up that like I was like, Oh, the

657
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: kids in school will think I'm worthy of attention. I'll

658
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: get invited to birthdays. Now, I'll get to go to

659
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: all these things. Like I'm like, I thought, like, this

660
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: is going to be the greatest thing ever. I'm on neighbors.

661
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Life is sweet. And it was a sort of a

662
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: watered down version of realizing now what I'm realizing, which is, oh,

663
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't solve everything. And so I would say, and

664
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I still to this day wrestle with

665
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: Australia's I don't know if it's an Australian thing or

666
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: if it's maybe specific to my school, but I think

667
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: getting on neighbors at in high school it actually made

668
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: people resisted my desperate advances for love more like I

669
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: wanted the kids to like me. So I did this thing,

670
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: and it was like showing them, like, look at this

671
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: and then it was almost like the opposite effect, like yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

672
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: I think our tall poppy culture is not great.

673
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: We heard at the time and even now when I

674
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: explain to Americans like wait, you're on a show with

675
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: literally like at six six thirty pm the night before

676
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: and Channel ten like bullying literally bullying Margot Robbie or

677
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: bullying like you know, yeah, the hem Z whoever, whoever

678
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: it was at the time, and just being a little heard,

679
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: and then going to school the next day putting on

680
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: my uniform and then like the most you would get

681
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: is like, oh, can you get us her number? And

682
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: then it's like like oh, And then you would hear

683
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: like the little whispers, like you walk past into the canteen,

684
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: you'd hear like I thinks he's Brad Pitt and you're like,

685
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: oh my, You're like I just want you guys to

686
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: like me, like and so I that was what I

687
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: operated out of my entire probably the first decade of

688
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: my career. It was just I was a hurt kid

689
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: and I wanted to reapprove. And I don't know if

690
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: it was Australia because I will say, like the kids

691
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: in the level above and the kids in the level

692
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: below were randomly much more supportive, and the kids at

693
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: the high school down the.

694
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: Road, yeah, just not your immediate peers.

695
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: It was this weird thing, and I think I was annoying.

696
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: I think I was too grabby, Like I just wanted

697
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: them to think something of me and give me, assigned

698
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: me a value and say I deserve to be invited

699
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: to the party. And so having to have gone through

700
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: all that now I realized, like, ugh, even even as

701
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: the career is doing its thing, I just the hurt

702
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: kid is the one that needs attention now, the version

703
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: of John that's getting make up and getting flown to

704
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: Atlanta tomorrow for press and then I'm gonna be a

705
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: red cup room and then gone go coastal on the

706
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: move and get fitted out, like it's that's He's fine.

707
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Like the person that I need to deal with and uh,

708
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: and that I'm attending to now is like, oh, man,

709
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: like you you just wanted, like I don't know, you

710
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be loved and which is so cliche, but yeah,

711
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: my god, So that was that's the guy. You know,

712
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: he's crying right now and I want to I want

713
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: to let him know everything is going to be fine,

714
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, oh my.

715
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: God, you're really doing the work right now, You're going

716
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: through it literally like a sense. I mean, I appreciate

717
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: the vulnerability so much because again, like I think people

718
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: would expect that what you come on to a podcast

719
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: like this to talk about is like how glitzy is Hollywood,

720
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: how amazing is it all? And it's actually like sure

721
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: in a career sense, which is one facet of this

722
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: big pie chart of my life. Yeah, it's amazing, and

723
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: yes I had those goals as a young kid, but

724
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: actually the bigger reflections are like my inner worth, my family,

725
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: my joy, the fact that it did take you away

726
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: from your mum, you know, and you did move to

727
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: the States, and it did cost you, you know a

728
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: lot of things that now mean a lot to you.

729
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely don't see it at the time, but yeah, it's.

730
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're young to be having already. This is

731
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: a cycle that I think a lot of people don't

732
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: hit this until like their thirties, forties and fifties, when

733
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: they have chased that success for even longer. I mean,

734
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: you had it at twenty, and a lot of people

735
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: don't get the ability to buy their parents' cars until

736
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: a lot later, so you've done this like speed version

737
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: of the success cycle.

738
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: It went quick. Yeah, the career went sort of gradually

739
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: went up altitude, like in a very linear and slow way.

740
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: But the realizations or like the lifestyle, like I was

741
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: always like going back to hotel rooms. I couldn't sign

742
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: a least anyway, cause I didn't where I was going

743
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: to be in two months. Like it was. It was

744
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: a sort of Hitchhiker's Guide to Los Angeles. But I

745
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: sort of hit a point where I was like, you

746
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: know what, We're just going to go all all out

747
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: and so yeah, to answer your second question, it was

748
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: just all about like blind faith, like I didn't know.

749
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: I didn't there was no guarantee, there was nothing to

750
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: say that I was going to succeed in this industry,

751
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go until the wheels fell off.

752
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: Like I thought, worst case scenario, I'll be twenty five,

753
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: maybe in debt, maybe with some emotional scarring, but like

754
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: Mabe trauma, maybe some trauma, yeah, maybe someone telling me

755
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: my face is unbearable. But like you know, at the time,

756
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you're twenty two, twenty three, you're in

757
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, You're just thinking like we're just going for it.

758
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: And I think for anyone who's ever gone for anything

759
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: in their life, it's so commendable because it's a scary

760
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 1: thing and it's a very brave thing to do. Even

761
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: just to take the first step is so admirable and

762
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: in a way, and so for me to still be

763
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: on the path, it's sort of this funny thing of

764
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: now like, oh, actually, regardless of all of the success

765
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: or maybe lack of success, who knows, maybe my phone

766
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: stops ringing tomorrow, but no doubt it, but you know.

767
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it. Your phone has rung already, which

768
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: is soer exciting, so that's not going away.

769
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was a prank call.

770
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: But well, I mean that's really interesting because I think

771
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: that is one of the kind of you know, there's

772
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: no secret source, but if there was to be a

773
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: secret source that you had to pick, it's the fact

774
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: that the wording that you used of worse case scenario.

775
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: I think the fact that you just said worst case

776
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: it's not that bad, so you just go for it blindly,

777
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: I think that's the key. It's more when you let

778
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: all the possible negatives, all the worst case scenarios like

779
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: the failure. It's when you get overcome by that worst

780
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: case scenario rather than just going it's not that bad,

781
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: like I'll just do it. I'll still be in my

782
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: twenties like it's fine. I think that's the beautiful liberating

783
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: thing to realize it's not that bad, like I can

784
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: find something else, but why not just give it a go?

785
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: And obviously giving it a go has gone incredibly well

786
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: for you.

787
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: It's going going. I mean it's now I'm trying to

788
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: get it to stop a little bit. Then like the

789
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: snowballs down the hill and I'm like, oh nah at

790
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: the hill.

791
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: So one thing that I really want to talk to

792
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: you about because you're in a really unique position of

793
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: having been in an industry for seventeen years for the

794
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: not just Asian Australians or Asian Americans, but any people

795
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: of color, but particularly I think for Asian actors and

796
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: actresses in this You've been in it in a time

797
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: where you've gone from being the only non set if any,

798
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: and very often cast Like you mentioned you're a Japanese soldier.

799
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: I don't think have you ever been cast as a

800
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: Korean like actually.

801
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Ever once or twice yeah, okay, once or twice, like.

802
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: A seventeen year career to now, and like being cast

803
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: on things like which is so exciting for me that

804
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: you're on Hawaii five O. I have watched that entire thing, Like,

805
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: did Nick tell you we went back to the very beginning? No,

806
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 2: we went back to episode one. Yeah, we've watched all

807
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: ten seasons, including your episode.

808
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.

809
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: But again it's like often in these specific roles that

810
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: were like reserved for Asian actors, not just roles for

811
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: all actors, and then you happen to be Asian, Whereas

812
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: I feel like that's been changing a lot recently, and

813
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: you've been on a press junket for a role in

814
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: an amazing production which hasn't stereotypically been like the character

815
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: you are wasn't an Asian character. It was just a

816
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: character cruel intentions, guys, and you happen to be an

817
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: Asian actor. So talk to us about how that's changed

818
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: for you over the last seventeen years from when you

819
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: started to now.

820
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: When I started and then this was my navity. Probably

821
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: I didn't realize Asian people or Hispanic people, or I

822
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: didn't realize people of color had their role to play

823
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: around the default, which was the Caucasian character. I had

824
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: no idea, and it wasn't until it was pointed out

825
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: to me, this idea of like, hey, like like I

826
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: would read for a part. And then a friend of

827
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: mine like Lincoln unis one of the best Link.

828
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: He's been on these guys. I'll put the episode link

829
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah in the show.

830
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: I love Link and he obviously the most open hearted,

831
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: genuine human alive. And he would be like, hey, John,

832
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: there's a part twenty romantic lover boy living up the street.

833
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, oh, you should read for this,

834
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh, I'm not going. They won't

835
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: read me. And it was something that occurred to me.

836
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, they don't read me ever for

837
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: like that the romantic No, I'm the like weird guy

838
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: in the bushes, or I'm the funny friend. I'm like

839
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: a bit of a strange vibe like I'm not then't

840
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: never let me read for that like And it was

841
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: like this moment of realization, like hang on a minute.

842
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: And so I had a call with my manager, who

843
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: have been with forever and he was like, John, I

844
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care like like it had been

845
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: pointed out to me that Asian men specifically, and that's

846
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: what I can speak through that have very different battle

847
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: than Asian women. Asian women, I guess their role as

848
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: far as being around the default was this over hyper

849
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: sexualization of.

850
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: The exotic woman.

851
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: They would have like a red streak in their hair,

852
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: and they were a little dangerous and a little like

853
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: you know.

854
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: Could you use a weapon, could use a weapon, could

855
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: kill you? But yes, yes, it was like silent assassine like.

856
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: That was there. That was their stick that Hollywood, these

857
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: like dudes owning these studios. That was like, that's what

858
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: they are now. For the Asian men, it was we

859
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: don't want to see them kissing. Yeah, we don't want

860
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: see them kissing a girl, Like they don't kiss they're

861
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: not romantic people, like that's why they're women, you know.

862
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Won us like it was this like weird like underlying

863
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: sort of color to the all the themes and motifs

864
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: were doing it, and so I didn't care. And I

865
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: think maybe if i'd known at the time, i'd been aware,

866
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: I would have been more maybe hesitant, But at the time,

867
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, okay, well that's just all

868
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: my expectations have been checked at the door anyway. So

869
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: for Asian men, it sort of became this over every

870
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: sort of every half decade, there was a slight improvement

871
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: half decade, every half dat every half decade it was

872
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: like hellow movie, Yeah, like okay, we can see them

873
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: holding hands with a girl now yeah, yeah, but not

874
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: first base, like we don't want to get to that's

875
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: that's a little no no, no, no, sheek kisses only yeah, and.

876
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: So, which is very drama now there, now that goes well.

877
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: Now, now, the hyper romanticism of that, it's it's it's

878
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: wonderful to see, but it was just it's it was

879
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, and I think it fed into I

880
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: never really brought into this idea that I was doing

881
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: something special. I never bought into this idea that like

882
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: film and television is this super impactful second education for

883
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: people during their formative years. And so when I grew

884
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: up in Australia and it was like, oh, like you know, offhandedly,

885
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's nothing that I haven't and it sort

886
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: of figured out now, But it was sort of at

887
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: the time like, oh, Asian men weren't really desirable. Oh,

888
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: because when you got a TV. They're not really shown

889
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: in a way that's very oh okay, Like I didn't

890
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: make that connection, so I didn't really know. And so

891
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: now it's like really fascinating for someone if someone thinks

892
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm like handsome. It's still a shock because during the

893
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: most formative parts of my life, this long term answer

894
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: locked in of like Asian men.

895
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: Aren't attractive and so desirable.

896
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I remember I dated this beautiful girl

897
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: when I was like twenty one or twenty two, and

898
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: like we got back in touch like two years later,

899
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: and she was like, how are you going. I was like, yeah,

900
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: She's like, how's it going with the ladies. I was like, oh,

901
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: I'd be lucky to get a date. And she's like, oh,

902
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: you're still doing the well was me thing like that

903
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: stick still works for you? Like, and I don't think

904
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: she realized that wasn't a stick for me. That was

905
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: a that was me actually believing that when she'd be like,

906
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: you have a nice smile, I would just not. It's

907
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: just didn't I didn't. Yeah, So it's been a real

908
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: like detangling process of like my child and my my

909
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: adolescence and and and and now obviously I've had incredible

910
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: female co stars, romantic co stars that gave me the

911
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: space to sort of find my feet and and start

912
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: thinking myself a little bit as like, Okay, I'm not

913
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: like a full catch, but I'm like, I'm okay, I'm

914
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: not like like I'm like Cat. I'm like a sense

915
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: of humor, a decent personality. But yeah, I really had

916
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: to sort of see, I've seen the industry change, and

917
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: the ultimate conclusion I've I've realized is there's always going

918
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: to be things that are unfair and and and things

919
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: that really just ultimately need to change. But if I

920
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: had known that ahead of time, I might not have

921
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: pursued acting. So to sort of blindly just pursue it

922
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: was sort of what got me ultimately here. And now,

923
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: like I realized, like a lot of roles I read

924
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: now are like, hey, he like goes on a date

925
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: with the girl, and I'm like, wow, this is like

926
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: like teenage me would be like no way.

927
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: I kind of think that aavity and a lot of

928
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: scenarios is actually better that you don't go into it

929
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: knowing the full risks, because it's that blissful ignorance is

930
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: kind of amazing. But I also think that for an

931
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: industry that is often considered quite not vacuous, but I

932
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: think a lot of people think that they can act

933
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: like that we all could act like if we tried

934
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: hard enough, we could all do acting. It's just like,

935
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: not necessarily, I don't think people understand. It can seem

936
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: really superficial, it can seem really surface level. But when

937
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: you think about the impact of that industry just on

938
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: your life has in your reflection of how you see yourself,

939
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: even from someone who knows from the inside how convoluted

940
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: it is, the fact that you didn't think necessarily that

941
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: you were a romantic, desirable person because of what you

942
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: saw in the media around you. It's actually it's such

943
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: a powerful industry, like what you see around you in TV, movies,

944
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: even advertising visibility. Yeah, it reflects the world in your

945
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: brain in a way that you don't even realize that

946
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: you're not considering yourself like your dating life because of

947
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: the way that you're being cast, which is fascinating and

948
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: I think a really interesting reflection of how important it

949
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: is that you have been cast increasingly in roles that

950
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: aren't just reserved for the Asian guy, and that I

951
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: mean talk to us about cruel intentions, like that's a

952
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: super like tell us about your role and how that's

953
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: that's changed.

954
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: It's cool. Yeah, it was sort of just an open call.

955
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: I don't think they had a specific person of color

956
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: in mind, or they had an idea. I think they

957
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: just wanted people to read the role originated was originated

958
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: in the film at least by Joshua Jackson, who is

959
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: he's the best, Like he's one of those handsome charismatic

960
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: I think he's I respect his career so much, and

961
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: I think it was sort of cool to especially I

962
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: grew up a massive Mighty Ducks fan. Oh my god.

963
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: To like be like to like Charlie Conway was.

964
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

965
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm playing a part of that

966
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: that actor did and it was a cool like it

967
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: was a real feather in my cap. I wore that

968
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: like a badge because it was like it was cool

969
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: because I just know that ten years ago it wouldn't

970
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: have happened. Yeah, and so now it's like it's wonderful

971
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: and I value it. I'm not ungrateful, but I'm also,

972
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, it's regardless, I would have found something else.

973
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: So we found my way, Like, you know, I think

974
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when you realize everything's

975
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: going to be okay, you're just like, okay, cool. So

976
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: it's a great opportunity. It's a great part. I didn't

977
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: even know what I'm allowed to say about it.

978
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, that's true that it's amazing.

979
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah's trouble. I think I can say that, and I

980
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: think the show will find its audience and yeah, I

981
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: think it comes out. I don't know where the time

982
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: of recording. It's only a couple weeks away.

983
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: So oh, I got We watched the trailer last night.

984
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, there's my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

985
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: You should have seen Nick. He absolutely lost well the next

986
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: announce on his one that he absolutely lost his bananas about. Yeah,

987
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: but before we moved to that, and that will be

988
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: potentially time sensitive, I would be REMISSI me not to ask,

989
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: and I know that, Like, I don't want to portray

990
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: that acting is your own type personality. But we are

991
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: so lucky to have your time. You do have so

992
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: much behind the scenes. Like one of the things I

993
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: love doing is shedding a light on stuff that the

994
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: average person just wouldn't get to know, right, So, like,

995
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: who's the coolest person you've met?

996
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: Okay, what are.

997
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: Some of like the random nitty gritty stuff about like

998
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: being in a trailer on set or stuff that just

999
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: from the outside you would have no idea, like actors' tricks,

1000
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: like how do you cry on demand? Like those kind

1001
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: of things that we just.

1002
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Think industry secrets.

1003
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the industry secrets that are and especially the shit ones,

1004
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, like the ones that are like nitty gritty

1005
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: or not glamorous.

1006
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1007
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: And there's a Denzel story as well. I want you

1008
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: to tell there's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, which I've heard

1009
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: from like four different people.

1010
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: It's the first thing everyone asks is what was it

1011
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: like when in Denzel? And yeah, I mean it was

1012
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: an honor, it was a privilege. But I had a

1013
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: friend of ours had worked with him previously, and his

1014
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: advice was, when you see him on set, just you know, respectful,

1015
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: treat him like anybody else. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1016
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: but I was like, it's dense. You treat him like

1017
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: anybody else. Hey, that's your living god, he's And so

1018
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: I remember showing up to set and we sort of

1019
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: went through the works and see RAMI have a reunion

1020
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: with him after however many years, and then okay, where's

1021
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: the big dog? And he goes, oh, any points and

1022
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: he's there. He's like, there's a chair. He's sitting by himself,

1023
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: and he's got like one leg over the other, and

1024
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: he's like he just looks so cool. He looks so

1025
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: like he's like and I'm like, okay, well what do

1026
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: I do with this? You know, it's his movie. I'm

1027
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: going to go introduce myself and pay respect, and I'm

1028
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna be here for a week or two. So it

1029
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: was substantial enough like reason to go over. And I

1030
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: remember going over and and he's sitting there. He's just

1031
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: sort of and it looks really cool. Yeah. Yeah, And

1032
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so nervous. I think I had my

1033
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: hand out like maybe fifty meters away, like it was

1034
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: like like walking like this, like just like I you know,

1035
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm ready, so nervous, and I'm like I'm shaken, really

1036
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry. And in the back of my head,

1037
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: I think I'm like everyone else on set is watching

1038
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: this because he's such a presence, and and I go

1039
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: up to him and I'm I'm like, mister Denzel Washington sir,

1040
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: my name's John, and I'm really excited to work with you. Yes, smooth, Yeah,

1041
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: And it was, it was, it was. He was really

1042
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: gracious about it. He was like a welcome young man.

1043
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: And he he let me hang for a second because

1044
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: I think he was processing what I just said, also

1045
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: like and what you were doing, Stach, is this going

1046
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: on our movie? Like is he like? And so in

1047
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: that second I thought, I thought, oh, no, he's gonna

1048
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: like is he gonna And and then I was just

1049
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: thinking like maybe I walked past him and pretend like

1050
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: it was going to someone else, But he was really

1051
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: he was really sweet about it. And and yeah, that's

1052
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: probably one moment I've been like sweaty like about like fangirling.

1053
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh my god, that was that one.

1054
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: I would no one in the world could not fangirl

1055
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: every day.

1056
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: She was the best. He's the best. But then as

1057
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 1: far as industry secrets, it's kind of like in Harry Potter,

1058
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: you know that they talk about the room of requirement,

1059
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: like the door is wherever you can find it. Yeah, yeah,

1060
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: like for people like like you mentioned like crying, like

1061
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, it's I have to go

1062
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: away put on music, or I can just you know,

1063
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: look at a spot and I can start getting a

1064
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: little deary about it. And then there's this one girl

1065
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: I worked with who she can on cue cry on

1066
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: either eye, so if the camera's on this side, she

1067
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: can go right side, or the cameras on this touch

1068
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: you can go left side. And she can control the

1069
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: tempo of out which the tears shut up, so she

1070
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: can time it like, let's say, like the very last

1071
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: line of the scenes like I love You, she can

1072
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 1: weld up, well it up, and then she can literally

1073
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: hit it on like I love You single tear no,

1074
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: and I'm convinced she can get it to go back

1075
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: up at this point like I'm giving she yeah, and

1076
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm like oh, And then sometimes you just have to

1077
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: pay respect to people that you're like, I will never

1078
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: be able to do that. But oh that was really

1079
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: that was crazy.

1080
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So you mentioned the Denzel bit you thought everyone

1081
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: was watching you when you're on a big set, and

1082
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that your first set was such

1083
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: a big one is probably good in terms of it

1084
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: not being so foreign when you actually were in a

1085
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: main role. Do you forget, like I always wonder when

1086
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: you're watching like Friends, for example, and it looks like

1087
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: you're totally in the zone, as if they are really

1088
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: who they are. But then sometimes you watch the behind

1089
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: the scenes and you're like, oh my god, live audience,

1090
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: Like how could they block that out and focus? Do

1091
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: you not see the fifty people who are watching it?

1092
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: Or do you just get used to it?

1093
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: It's like the compartmentalization is crazy, and it act his

1094
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: brain because you're conscious of you get to a point

1095
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: where you learn each skill and then you're able to

1096
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: galvanize them into this very like effortless way. So like, yeah,

1097
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: we talked about like romantic scenes and everyone's like, oh,

1098
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how I could do that without like

1099
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: getting feelings or being awkward or getting a bonut, whatever

1100
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: your reaction to it is.

1101
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't going to go there, like genuinely.

1102
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's people physically touching each other. And

1103
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: so thankfully now we have intimacy coordinators and things like

1104
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: that to kind of oversee everything. That was sort of

1105
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: a new introduction. But the biggest thing was I've realized

1106
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: is like when you're acting, your your brain is so

1107
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: focused on where the light that like the light they're

1108
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: trying to hit you with where the camera is, where

1109
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: the boom mic is am I saying it at a

1110
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: level that am I staying in frame? Am I on

1111
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: the right? Like the prop that I need to show

1112
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: is that it's coming up into frame? Is it high enough?

1113
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: Like it's so technical, so the people that are able

1114
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: to make it look as like untechnical as possible, at

1115
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: least technical as possible. That's the true art form in

1116
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: like hitting your mark, turning knowing, Okay, this person's a

1117
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: little off their mark, and so I'm behind the camera now,

1118
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: so I need to actually give them that it just

1119
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: on the fly, say the line, hit your light and

1120
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: look naturally, you've a good read, look natural, and then

1121
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: give you your co star enough. It's like that's the

1122
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: art of film and telvision to me now, it's insane. Yeah.

1123
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: And then there's some people who are like, I'm an artist,

1124
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: just follow me with the camera.

1125
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, I can't, I.

1126
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: Can't do I know, I know my limitations. Yeah.

1127
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: So your method is it like you become the character

1128
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: that you are for the duration of the filming or

1129
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: are you really like on off or I'm on off.

1130
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: I've never been I don't want to say good enough

1131
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: because I don't want to put it in like fields

1132
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: of like good and bad. But like, there are actors

1133
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: who are incredible and have to stay in character to

1134
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: give the performance that they need to give. Yeah, I

1135
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: don't necessarily see how that would work for me. But

1136
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: like for me, it's like I've already worked on the

1137
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: accent for months and months. I've already worked on the

1138
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: character for months and months. I've worked on what he's

1139
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, we've done the fitting, we've done hair and

1140
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: makeup test, so I know the kind of cadence of

1141
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: maybe like the voice or whatever. But at the end

1142
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: of the day, like for me, it's it's just about

1143
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: giving a great read, being there for my my scene partner,

1144
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: and moving forward. So maybe it's a boring approach, but

1145
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: it's sort of just the approach that's worked for me.

1146
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: Maybe healthier as well, because you're not like, am.

1147
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah, I've learned now, like and this is

1148
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: any thing I don't make. Go for a job interview

1149
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: the other day and he's like, dude, I should have

1150
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: done this, I should have worn these socks and I

1151
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: should have and I'm like and welcome to being an actor,

1152
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: it's all about like overthinking your choices totally. So I

1153
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: think that's something I've come off thankfully because that was

1154
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: ahead mess messes.

1155
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: And so for your lines, that's something I always wonder about,

1156
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: like the TV that I do, which is so different obviously,

1157
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: I like we sometimes get teleprompters if it's really technical,

1158
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: if it's something like a lot of a wellness is

1159
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: like ingredients for pharmaceuticals and stuff, so you have to

1160
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: memorize some chunks, but like not really And then when

1161
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 2: I think about that, and then I think about the

1162
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: length of an episode of a TV show and the

1163
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: lines that you have to but also I'm being myself.

1164
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: You're pretending to be someone else and making it natural.

1165
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: How much are you memorizing at once? Like in one

1166
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: day are you filming? Like do you just remember a

1167
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: block and then you've cut that and then you move

1168
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: to the next block, Like I just and get how

1169
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: you guys remember your lines?

1170
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot cruel intentions. Phoebe Fisher who she

1171
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: came from Euphoria and Sarah Goodman came from the original

1172
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl. They were our showrunners and when they put

1173
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: the scripts together, the dialogue is fast, witty, quick snap action.

1174
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: It's very succession y but set in a college sort

1175
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: of world.

1176
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm excited.

1177
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: So that was the kind of that was a really

1178
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: hard adjustment for some of the cast because they were

1179
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: maybe more used to shows that the dialogue wasn't as tight. Yeah,

1180
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: it was real sharp and it was real like just

1181
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: it was so witty that the scripts were incredible and cruel,

1182
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: and so it was cool to see everyone's process. Some

1183
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: of them would you know, call me up the night

1184
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: before and like, can we just run lines on the phone? Right?

1185
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: Some of them would do their own things. Some of

1186
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: them were able to show up in the morning how

1187
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: read it'd be like, cool, we're moving. For me, I'm

1188
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: pretty slow, So for me I would just have to

1189
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: sit there with my coach and be like all right,

1190
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: line one and just like you just start getting to

1191
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: work on it and eventually you stuck in a rhythm.

1192
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, I would love to say have a photo

1193
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: photographic memory, but I'm from Chatty.

1194
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: I was always wondering how you do it without one, Like,

1195
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: so would you have when you're actually filming? Would you

1196
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: just have your paper like there and you're kind of

1197
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: going back and both back and forth.

1198
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people will bring their scripts to set,

1199
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: which either shows you're unprepared or it shows you're open

1200
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: to collaborating. It depends on you know, wait, people shut

1201
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: up without it.

1202
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what how do you remember the work?

1203
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: My first day on the Librarians, I think I was nineteen,

1204
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: and Noel Wiley, who was the lead, came over. He

1205
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: came off er, which is just all medical jargon.

1206
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: Yez, that's the thing. I'm like, how do they do

1207
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 2: that without looking like they're remembering?

1208
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: He was incredible. Yeah, he came up and he saw

1209
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: me with my scripting. He went okay, and it was

1210
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: like and I was like, I just saw everyone else

1211
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: bringing their their scripts and I realized on Er they

1212
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: had a rule doing it. Yeah. Sorry, he explained that.

1213
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: He's like, she's it basically meant you didn't do your

1214
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: work on the weekend. Yeah, So I was like, I'm

1215
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: going to do my work on because I don't want

1216
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: to feel like I don't know what I'm talking about.

1217
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: To be fair, the amount of like Er and House

1218
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: that I've watched, I could like radle off some suck ordosis.

1219
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: It's a proper like you're a qualified doctor. Now obviously

1220
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: I think that's how you treat people.

1221
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: But that blows my mind, especially without feeling like you

1222
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: have a photographic memory still being able to do it

1223
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: and with the emotion that you need to bring.

1224
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: There and you're bringing on an accent, and then it's

1225
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: it's a hard job. I say like this, people go,

1226
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: I want to get into acting. I go, it is

1227
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: the easiest hard thing you'll ever do in your life,

1228
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: because it's just going to be. It's going to in

1229
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: some ways, it's going to be like quite natural. In

1230
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: some ways you're gonna be like, oh, it wasn't expecting like, oh,

1231
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: half my job is like not looking sweaty in a

1232
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: scene that was shooting in the middle of summer because

1233
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: it's been win so I'm in this hoodie and like

1234
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: like it's a random, random, random industry.

1235
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And what about the like prep in terms

1236
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: of accents training, Like you mentioned that you've got some

1237
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: training coming up that you need to do, like when

1238
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: you have to do bodily changes and stuff like do

1239
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: you get a timeline? And they're like, from now you

1240
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: know that you need to look like this by then

1241
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: or sound like this by then yeah, and then you

1242
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: get the resources or do you go do it yourself?

1243
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: Like how do you work that out?

1244
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: It's the worst. Yeah, it's the worst. Sucks. When I

1245
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: was twenty or when I was younger, I definitely, I

1246
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: definitely like probably broached like eating disorder territory with it

1247
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: because you were so committed to the part and you

1248
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: wanted to do a great job for them. And as

1249
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: I explained it was my coach started had explained to

1250
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,959
Speaker 1: me that recently. She was like I remember that time

1251
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: you lost the light in your eyes and I was like,

1252
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: oh wow, so I really went like far. But it's

1253
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: the worst because you put this pressure on yourself. Then

1254
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: you get a script and let's say your character his

1255
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: name is Adam. It'll say Adam takes his shirt off,

1256
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: his body is more incredible than we ever imagined, Like

1257
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: who who wrote this? And also like I want to

1258
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: look like I like Adam. There's no need for Adam

1259
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: is a twenty eight year old accountant. Why does he

1260
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: have a ten pass? Why? Yeah? Like why would it?

1261
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like I want to look like I run

1262
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: twice week and maybe skip the Zingerburger every now and then,

1263
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: Like that's the body I would like to portray the

1264
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: live in. Yeah, it's definitely obviously it's a well documented thing,

1265
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: the bodily pressures of being in Hollywood, and I think

1266
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: even worse for women. So I mean, I can complain

1267
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: all like one, but I think I think as bad

1268
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: as it is for guys who feel like they need

1269
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: to show off their abs or whatever, I think women

1270
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: have a whole other just boat load of insecurities and

1271
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: things that get surfaced and brought up because because like

1272
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: I think the industry has a problem, like it has

1273
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: a bodily image problem, and I just like my favorite

1274
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: actor is now like James Gandelfini from Sopranos or John

1275
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: Taturo or Bill Camp or all these guys that are

1276
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: just like it's not about the the superhero look. It's

1277
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: it's more just you know, going to be a real

1278
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: person and do people want to watch this? And is

1279
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: it interesting? And can I connect? But that's maybe also

1280
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: just in line with my mentality now of like, oh,

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't define you, it doesn't really matter at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that you said the pressures for women. Perhaps

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Speaker 2: I actually think that we've come a long way in

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Speaker 2: understanding what those pressures are. Whereas I think for men

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Speaker 2: it's dismissed. It's sort of like you're not allowed to

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Speaker 2: have body image is shoes because you're a dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Whereas it's almost like it's not as accepted for you

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Speaker 2: to be self conscious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: To Like, I've had a lot of guys sort of

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Speaker 2: say they don't feel as comfortable to have body image

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00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: issues because it's not accepted as a masculine problem, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like it is like, oh, women can,

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Speaker 2: but like men can't, right, Yeah, Or they wouldn't talk

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Speaker 2: about having an eating disorder or author ex or anything

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Speaker 2: because it's less well known.

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Speaker 1: It goes in both ways in a sense. I think

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Speaker 1: I think overall improvement needs to happen. But in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I can't speak for the vast majority, but I think

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00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like there needs to

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Speaker 1: be injected a higher level of compassion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think this idea of like just ridiculously cut

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00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: or ridiculously you know whatever sexy and trendy at the

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: time bodies for guys and girls, I think it just

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Speaker 1: we need to come back, We need to come off

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01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: it because we're all born different and like you know,

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01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: like men will get be sensitive about their height and

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01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: you realize it's not Actually it's less to do with

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: like oh they walk around being like I can't reach something.

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01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: It's more to do with like it's not funny. It's

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01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: not like an actual like day to day thing. It's

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01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: an internal like thing of like what it means to

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Speaker 1: be taller or shorter or average hime.

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Speaker 2: What society thinks.

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Speaker 1: Or what society do you think? And I'm living proof

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01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: of like I let society and their opinions move me

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01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: to another country for twelve years, so like whilst I

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01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: found success and whatnot, I feel a little like Frodo,

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01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: Like I went to the shift the Shire and now

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01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm like coming back and they're like, how are you doing?

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01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like still burnt from Ount Mortal, but I

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01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: dropped the ring and I feel that's what it feels like.

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I've definitely gone out and learned some stuff.

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01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: I met some great friends, but I think it's time

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01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: for this hobbit to kind of come back to the

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Speaker 1: Shire for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'd be thrilled with that we did actually

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Speaker 2: go and get oh my god, well before you do that,

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Speaker 2: you do have one very big project which is just

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Speaker 2: coming out, which Nick is thrilled about.

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Speaker 1: He is more excited than I am, absolutely more excited

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Speaker 1: than you. Incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you can't say much about it, but

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Speaker 2: say what you can. Congratulations, thank you, and then coming

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Speaker 2: back to the Shire after that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I guess I recently found out I'm

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01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: going to be doing a movie at least until now,

1340
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: because because things are subject to change obviously in this industry,

1341
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: at a moment's notice, you.

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: Could be cutting this whole bit exactly.

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01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: Himself. No. I it's looking at this time of recording

1344
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: like I'll be jumping on the new live action Vultron,

1345
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: so that should be fun. But Nick is more. He

1346
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: was at the cafe like eyes like just blown up,

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01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: and he ran.

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Speaker 2: Home to tell me as if it was like you

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01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: were pregnant or ya.

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well, if I got married that day,

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01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have mentioned it. It would have been all about that.

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have said it on Instagram, be like,

1353
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: why need you tell me You're at his wedding Jesus,

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Speaker 2: Well that's super exciting. Congratulations, But I think actually the

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01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: bigger congratulations for you is where you're at right now

1356
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 2: with It's funny that at the very beginning you said

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01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 2: you looked at other kids and you were like, Wow,

1358
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: they're all really like balanced and well adjusted, Whereas I

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01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: think that that's what I think of is you right now,

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Speaker 2: You're coming to this table like very well adjusted, like

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01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: very grounded in a lot of perspective. It sounds like

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01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 2: you've been through a lot of reflection.

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01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: As as everyone. You know, I don't own the rights

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Speaker 1: to being insecure or being in my own head or overthinking,

1365
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 1: so I'm conscious of that. And you know, if I

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Speaker 1: have a wish for myself for the next fifty sixty,

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Speaker 1: seventy years or however long I'm allowed to live, it's

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01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 1: just like just just treating people really nicely. And yeah,

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: I think that's that's sort of I just want to

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Speaker 1: be a good person, which a good man, you know,

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: which is I think that's going to be a for

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Speaker 1: evolusive goal, but you know, we'll keep chasing.

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Speaker 2: I think you're doing pretty well well. Thank you so

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: much for joining. It's been an absolute pleasure, And I'll

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Speaker 2: include links in the show notes to everything you're doing,

1376
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: all the places people can find you want to picture

1377
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Speaker 2: of the camera get I can go, oh my god,

1378
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: that is going to be the cover of the episode.

1379
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: And like, your mom needs her own page, so we

1380
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: can all just get around it. If I found out

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Speaker 2: anyone is going to.

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Speaker 1: Be a mom, she would she is. She's loving life

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: I know I have to invite her. She's definitely coming

1385
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: to Teddy's Furst. You're not invited because you'll be away,

1386
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: but she, she is.

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Speaker 1: She'll bring actual rice cakes. Yes, thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: thanks SIRH appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: I mean I was blown away the first time I

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: had this chat, but I've continued to be so every

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: time I've listened. It was just such an incredible, real

1392
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: time insight into the very essence of finding your deepest,

1393
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: truest yea and wading through what society considers to be

1394
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: the pinnacle of success. I mean, there's nothing glitzy and

1395
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: glamorous than Hollywood, and John has gone on to achieve

1396
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: things I'm sure childhood him could never have dreamed would

1397
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: come true. And yes, of course it's incredible as he acknowledges,

1398
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: but also watching him weigh his way back to other

1399
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: things that give him joy and the things that really

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01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: matter to him. All of that clarity coming in was

1401
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: just so fascinating to listen to. I hung on to

1402
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: every single word, and if you did too, you'll understand why.

1403
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: I would especially love your support more than usual in

1404
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 2: thanking John for his time, for being so vulnerable with

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01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: something that's such a recent revelation, for him, for coming

1406
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: on a podcast when he never does them, and I

1407
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: still can't believe this is his first one. Just what

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01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: an absolute legend. He is such a nice guy. From

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01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: the first time I met him, I was just taken

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01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: by his humility and his kindness and warmth. So please

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01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: share the episode if you enjoyed it, any takeaways you've

1412
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: had along the way, or if you're watching him in

1413
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: crauel intentions, do tag him let him know what you

1414
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: think at John Harlan Kim on Instagram. I mean, just

1415
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: an absolute legend. I feel so lucky to have had

1416
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 2: him on the show this week. In the meantime, what

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: a big few weeks it's been of incredible chats and guests.

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: We're really well and truly getting our momentum back after

1419
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: such a slowed down as I got used to life

1420
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 2: with Teddy, but it's wonderful to be back in the flow.

1421
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: Thank you all so much for the support and love

1422
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: and listening along. I hope you're all feeling festive and

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Speaker 2: are seizing your yay