1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:20,134 Speaker 1: is recorded on HI. They just wanted to give you 4 00:00:20,174 --> 00:00:22,214 Speaker 1: a quick heads up that today's episode of The Quickie 5 00:00:22,294 --> 00:00:25,974 Speaker 1: does discuss smoking cigarettes and does reference some drug use, 6 00:00:26,054 --> 00:00:27,814 Speaker 1: so please be careful when listening. 7 00:00:30,294 --> 00:00:30,494 Speaker 2: Hi. 8 00:00:30,614 --> 00:00:33,734 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast, 9 00:00:33,774 --> 00:00:37,014 Speaker 1: The Quickie. In magazines in the nineties, you'd be hard 10 00:00:37,054 --> 00:00:39,174 Speaker 1: pressed to open the pages of a story about any 11 00:00:39,254 --> 00:00:42,614 Speaker 1: runway model like Kate Moss without seeing a cigarette clutched 12 00:00:42,694 --> 00:00:46,334 Speaker 1: gracefully in hand. But for decades after, cigarettes have become 13 00:00:46,374 --> 00:00:51,534 Speaker 1: an absolute no go zone. The habit considered dirty, disgusting, smelly, unhealthy, 14 00:00:51,774 --> 00:00:55,094 Speaker 1: mainly seen nervously inhaled by drug addicts or gangsters in 15 00:00:55,174 --> 00:00:58,374 Speaker 1: movies and on TV. Now, though in a twist that 16 00:00:58,534 --> 00:01:01,254 Speaker 1: many of us didn't see coming, smoking seems to be 17 00:01:01,294 --> 00:01:04,094 Speaker 1: making a pop culture comeback, and it's definitely had an 18 00:01:04,134 --> 00:01:07,294 Speaker 1: impact on younger Rossi's, with new data showing their smoking 19 00:01:07,334 --> 00:01:10,214 Speaker 1: rates are the highest in the nation. Before we delve 20 00:01:10,214 --> 00:01:12,534 Speaker 1: into the SIGI packs of stars and non celebs alike, 21 00:01:12,734 --> 00:01:15,534 Speaker 1: here's the latest from the Cookie Newsroom, Friday, October eighteen. 22 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:18,654 Speaker 1: It's Well Menopause Day, and while it's a topic that 23 00:01:18,734 --> 00:01:21,734 Speaker 1: many women are feeling more comfortable speaking out about, new 24 00:01:21,774 --> 00:01:24,054 Speaker 1: research shows we still have a long way to go. 25 00:01:24,534 --> 00:01:28,134 Speaker 1: According to Estellus Farmer Australia, despite eighty two percent of 26 00:01:28,134 --> 00:01:32,254 Speaker 1: OSSIE women who've experienced menopause symptoms reporting that it impacts 27 00:01:32,254 --> 00:01:35,694 Speaker 1: their quality of life, nearly half don't feel comfortable talking 28 00:01:35,694 --> 00:01:38,774 Speaker 1: about it outside of their close friends and family. Forty 29 00:01:38,774 --> 00:01:40,934 Speaker 1: four percent say they feel they can't discuss it with 30 00:01:40,974 --> 00:01:44,294 Speaker 1: their employer, twenty five percent don't feel comfortable letting their 31 00:01:44,294 --> 00:01:47,774 Speaker 1: work colleagues know, many saying their mothers and older relatives 32 00:01:47,854 --> 00:01:50,534 Speaker 1: never talked about it, and there's still a lingering stigma 33 00:01:50,614 --> 00:01:52,814 Speaker 1: attached to what is often referred to as a vague 34 00:01:52,854 --> 00:01:56,694 Speaker 1: process like the change of life. Doctor Elena Safro GP 35 00:01:56,814 --> 00:01:59,214 Speaker 1: and chair of the Education Subcommittee of the Board of 36 00:01:59,254 --> 00:02:03,134 Speaker 1: the Australasian Menopause Society, says it's crucial for women to 37 00:02:03,174 --> 00:02:06,814 Speaker 1: feel empowered to discuss menopause symptoms so they can access 38 00:02:06,854 --> 00:02:10,094 Speaker 1: the range of supports to help them through its leader 39 00:02:10,134 --> 00:02:13,214 Speaker 1: and mastermind behind the October seven attack that became the 40 00:02:13,294 --> 00:02:16,334 Speaker 1: catalyst for the Israeli response and current war in Gaza, 41 00:02:16,534 --> 00:02:20,894 Speaker 1: has allegedly been killed. According to Israel's Foreign Minister Israel Katz, 42 00:02:21,054 --> 00:02:24,254 Speaker 1: Yaha Sinhwa was killed in an IDF attack, but his 43 00:02:24,334 --> 00:02:27,974 Speaker 1: death has not yet been confirmed by Hamas itself. Posting 44 00:02:28,014 --> 00:02:31,214 Speaker 1: to x cats, wrote, mass murderer Yaha Sinhwa, who was 45 00:02:31,294 --> 00:02:34,894 Speaker 1: responsible for the massacre and atrocities of October seven, was 46 00:02:34,974 --> 00:02:37,814 Speaker 1: killed today by IDF soldiers. He went on to say 47 00:02:37,974 --> 00:02:40,934 Speaker 1: this is a great military and moral achievement for Israel 48 00:02:41,214 --> 00:02:44,334 Speaker 1: and a victory for the entire free world. Sinhwa was 49 00:02:44,374 --> 00:02:47,374 Speaker 1: reportedly killed during a ground operation in the city of Rafah, 50 00:02:47,734 --> 00:02:51,294 Speaker 1: during which Israeli troops killed three militants, taking their bodies 51 00:02:51,294 --> 00:02:54,854 Speaker 1: for identification. They have a sample of Sinhwa's DNA from 52 00:02:54,854 --> 00:02:58,094 Speaker 1: when he was held in an Israeli jail. Players from 53 00:02:58,134 --> 00:03:00,934 Speaker 1: AFL club Greater Western Sydney have been handed a raft 54 00:03:00,974 --> 00:03:03,534 Speaker 1: of suspensions and fines for what happened at their end 55 00:03:03,534 --> 00:03:06,974 Speaker 1: of season function. It's being reported that two players dressed 56 00:03:07,014 --> 00:03:09,534 Speaker 1: up as former NRL player Jared Haynes and at time 57 00:03:09,614 --> 00:03:12,654 Speaker 1: taxi driver, referencing the Knight that Haines was accused of 58 00:03:12,694 --> 00:03:15,854 Speaker 1: sexually assaulting a young woman at her Newcastle home after 59 00:03:15,894 --> 00:03:17,734 Speaker 1: being dropped off by a cab on the night of 60 00:03:17,734 --> 00:03:21,254 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen NRL Grand Final, an allegation that he 61 00:03:21,374 --> 00:03:23,814 Speaker 1: was jailed for but has since walked free after a 62 00:03:23,854 --> 00:03:27,894 Speaker 1: successful appeal. The GWS player then allegedly performed a skit 63 00:03:28,014 --> 00:03:30,214 Speaker 1: where he acted out the assault on a blow up 64 00:03:30,254 --> 00:03:33,494 Speaker 1: doll Josh Fahe has been banned for four matches, while 65 00:03:33,534 --> 00:03:36,534 Speaker 1: forward jag Riccardi will miss the first two games next season. 66 00:03:36,894 --> 00:03:39,934 Speaker 1: Other players, including captain Toby Green, were fined for not 67 00:03:39,974 --> 00:03:43,214 Speaker 1: stepping in to stop the skit. King Charles and Queen 68 00:03:43,254 --> 00:03:45,814 Speaker 1: Camilla will touch down in Sydney today. The sales of 69 00:03:45,854 --> 00:03:48,094 Speaker 1: the Sydney Opera House lit up in their honor. The 70 00:03:48,174 --> 00:03:50,974 Speaker 1: royal couple will take a rest day on Saturday before 71 00:03:51,014 --> 00:03:54,374 Speaker 1: beginning royal duties on Sunday, attending church and visiting with 72 00:03:54,454 --> 00:03:58,454 Speaker 1: Governor General Sam Mostyn. Australia is the first Commonwealth country 73 00:03:58,494 --> 00:04:01,974 Speaker 1: the King has visited since his coronation. Charles and Camilla 74 00:04:02,014 --> 00:04:04,054 Speaker 1: will head to Canberra on Monday, where they'll meet with 75 00:04:04,094 --> 00:04:06,814 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister. The camera public can spot the King 76 00:04:06,854 --> 00:04:09,494 Speaker 1: and Queen around midday at the four Hour Country Memorial. 77 00:04:09,774 --> 00:04:11,694 Speaker 1: Sydney siders will be able to see them at the 78 00:04:11,694 --> 00:04:14,734 Speaker 1: Opera House at four thirty pm on Tuesday. That's the 79 00:04:14,854 --> 00:04:17,854 Speaker 1: latest news headlines. Next, why is smoking back in fashion? 80 00:04:18,054 --> 00:04:20,294 Speaker 1: And what is it about the action of drawing in 81 00:04:20,334 --> 00:04:27,694 Speaker 1: that deadly smoke that many find so very cool? Behind 82 00:04:27,694 --> 00:04:30,054 Speaker 1: a chain link fence and in front of barriers to 83 00:04:30,054 --> 00:04:32,574 Speaker 1: the event happening on the night, Three of the stars 84 00:04:32,574 --> 00:04:36,094 Speaker 1: from the hit FX series The Bear, Jeremy Allen White, Io, 85 00:04:36,294 --> 00:04:39,254 Speaker 1: Ed Biri and Eben Moss Backrack are taking a break 86 00:04:39,294 --> 00:04:43,414 Speaker 1: from the La premiere of season three The Trio, smiling 87 00:04:43,534 --> 00:04:46,374 Speaker 1: and laughing while they chat and while all three of 88 00:04:46,414 --> 00:04:49,774 Speaker 1: them puff away on cigarettes. The video was posted to 89 00:04:49,814 --> 00:04:53,614 Speaker 1: a popular Instagram account called Sigfluencers, who boast a following 90 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:57,254 Speaker 1: of more than fifty seven thousand. Their bio does warn 91 00:04:57,254 --> 00:05:00,334 Speaker 1: that smoking kills, but goes on to explain their content 92 00:05:00,534 --> 00:05:03,814 Speaker 1: as hot people, keeping the art of smoking and being 93 00:05:03,934 --> 00:05:08,254 Speaker 1: cool alive. Its founder Jared Oviat, has done interviews where 94 00:05:08,254 --> 00:05:11,974 Speaker 1: he explains his cigarette and loyalty, the best places to smoke, 95 00:05:12,054 --> 00:05:15,694 Speaker 1: and his favorite SI influences like Anya Taylor Joy, who 96 00:05:15,694 --> 00:05:18,134 Speaker 1: he says is just cool as fuck, saying she has 97 00:05:18,174 --> 00:05:21,454 Speaker 1: this effortlessness to her that makes her smoking habits that 98 00:05:21,614 --> 00:05:26,414 Speaker 1: much better and hotter. Oviet says his most iconic smoking moment, though, 99 00:05:26,574 --> 00:05:29,614 Speaker 1: is that paparazzi shot of Charlie's Theron smoking weed through 100 00:05:29,654 --> 00:05:33,534 Speaker 1: an apple while also holding a cigarette. His substack has 101 00:05:33,614 --> 00:05:36,574 Speaker 1: articles like is smoking only cool if You're Hot, which 102 00:05:36,614 --> 00:05:39,094 Speaker 1: does warn people up front that the content does heavily 103 00:05:39,174 --> 00:05:42,814 Speaker 1: endorse smoking cigarettes, but he points out posts by stars 104 00:05:42,854 --> 00:05:45,414 Speaker 1: like Jua Lipa, who did a photo dump that included 105 00:05:45,454 --> 00:05:48,454 Speaker 1: pictures of her smoking at a night out of fabulous parties. 106 00:05:49,134 --> 00:05:51,534 Speaker 1: Cigarette advertising has been on the apps for a long 107 00:05:51,574 --> 00:05:55,094 Speaker 1: time now in Australia, but decades back, magazines would publish 108 00:05:55,294 --> 00:05:58,734 Speaker 1: entire pages dedicated to brands who in the sixties roped 109 00:05:58,774 --> 00:06:01,374 Speaker 1: in actual doctors to endorse them, and then, in what 110 00:06:01,454 --> 00:06:03,894 Speaker 1: turned out to be a much more profitable move, they 111 00:06:03,974 --> 00:06:08,214 Speaker 1: created smoking celebrities like the Marlboroughman and the cartoon Joe Camill, 112 00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:10,694 Speaker 1: who told men they would be much manlier if they 113 00:06:10,774 --> 00:06:13,174 Speaker 1: just had a cigarette in their hand. The women who 114 00:06:13,174 --> 00:06:17,974 Speaker 1: advertised cigarettes were gorgeous and effortlessly sexy. There are iconic 115 00:06:18,054 --> 00:06:21,494 Speaker 1: movie scenes featuring cigarettes, James Bond used to light up. 116 00:06:21,654 --> 00:06:24,774 Speaker 1: John Travolter's Danny Zuko smokes while he chats up girls 117 00:06:24,774 --> 00:06:27,854 Speaker 1: in Greece. The nineteen ninety nine classic Fight Club saw 118 00:06:27,894 --> 00:06:31,454 Speaker 1: Helena Bonham Carter's character Marla sitting in a Kanser support 119 00:06:31,534 --> 00:06:35,094 Speaker 1: group puffing away on her cancer stick, and Sharon Stone's 120 00:06:35,094 --> 00:06:39,094 Speaker 1: infamous basic instinct leg crossing moment before which she calmly 121 00:06:39,134 --> 00:06:41,374 Speaker 1: smokes while being interrogated. 122 00:06:40,814 --> 00:06:43,374 Speaker 2: There's no smoking in this building, miss Tremmel. 123 00:06:43,414 --> 00:06:45,614 Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? Charge me with smoking? 124 00:06:46,374 --> 00:06:49,134 Speaker 1: But as time passed and we started to fully realize 125 00:06:49,134 --> 00:06:52,614 Speaker 1: the impact smoking house on impressionable young Aussies, we dumped 126 00:06:52,614 --> 00:06:55,454 Speaker 1: their ads from magazines, struck them from radio waves, and 127 00:06:55,494 --> 00:06:58,294 Speaker 1: eventually took them off the sideline banners at cricket matches too. 128 00:06:58,974 --> 00:07:01,854 Speaker 1: Movies and TV shows also saw a huge reduction in 129 00:07:01,934 --> 00:07:04,854 Speaker 1: scenes that featured smoking characters. But in the past ten 130 00:07:04,934 --> 00:07:07,254 Speaker 1: years or so, the siki has been showing up a 131 00:07:07,294 --> 00:07:10,894 Speaker 1: little more often, and in recent blockber they've been front 132 00:07:10,894 --> 00:07:14,254 Speaker 1: and center. Laura Brodnick is mumum is head of entertainment 133 00:07:14,414 --> 00:07:18,054 Speaker 1: and co host about daily entertainment podcast The Spill. Laura, 134 00:07:18,134 --> 00:07:20,614 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about smoking making a comeback. 135 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:23,374 Speaker 1: Are we actually seeing a resurgence in people lighting up 136 00:07:23,374 --> 00:07:24,454 Speaker 1: on the big and small screen? 137 00:07:25,134 --> 00:07:28,214 Speaker 2: Yes, especially with shows that have really become the heroes 138 00:07:28,254 --> 00:07:30,494 Speaker 2: of pop culture, lots of discussion around them and have 139 00:07:30,614 --> 00:07:33,974 Speaker 2: been big contenders at award shows. So Jeremy Allen White's 140 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:37,054 Speaker 2: character Kami in The Bear is probably the character who's 141 00:07:37,134 --> 00:07:40,134 Speaker 2: leading the charge of bringing smoking back in pop culture. 142 00:07:40,374 --> 00:07:43,054 Speaker 2: His character Kami has become one of those very iconic 143 00:07:43,134 --> 00:07:45,814 Speaker 2: characters and is very much no one for either chain 144 00:07:45,894 --> 00:07:48,934 Speaker 2: smoking outside his restaurant or having a cigarette always in 145 00:07:49,014 --> 00:07:52,054 Speaker 2: his mouth. And because he's become a very sexualized character, 146 00:07:52,374 --> 00:07:54,374 Speaker 2: that is kind of very much a draw card for 147 00:07:54,414 --> 00:07:56,974 Speaker 2: that show. Smoking is now sort of seen as more 148 00:07:57,014 --> 00:07:59,334 Speaker 2: cool because it's on the most watched show on the 149 00:07:59,334 --> 00:08:01,334 Speaker 2: most awarded show on TV at the moment. 150 00:08:01,454 --> 00:08:04,374 Speaker 1: I've also seen quite a bit of the cast in 151 00:08:04,414 --> 00:08:07,174 Speaker 1: real life actually smokes. That is like behind the scenes 152 00:08:07,214 --> 00:08:10,654 Speaker 1: photos of Jeremy Allen White with Io and Eden Moss 153 00:08:10,654 --> 00:08:14,094 Speaker 1: Backrack and they're all standing around smoking on set. So 154 00:08:14,174 --> 00:08:15,814 Speaker 1: it's like it's in real life as well as on 155 00:08:15,854 --> 00:08:16,174 Speaker 1: the screen. 156 00:08:16,254 --> 00:08:19,174 Speaker 2: Oh exactly. And with Jeremy Allen Wyne in particular because 157 00:08:19,174 --> 00:08:22,094 Speaker 2: he has become so famous and so beloved for this role, 158 00:08:22,214 --> 00:08:24,854 Speaker 2: and he does get caught by the paparazzi quite a 159 00:08:24,854 --> 00:08:26,814 Speaker 2: lot in la and there's so many iconic photos of 160 00:08:26,894 --> 00:08:29,374 Speaker 2: him walking the streets, almost stressed like his character, with 161 00:08:29,414 --> 00:08:32,174 Speaker 2: the mushall shirt and always with a cigarette dangling out 162 00:08:32,174 --> 00:08:34,694 Speaker 2: of his mouth. So that's kind of become very much 163 00:08:34,894 --> 00:08:37,294 Speaker 2: the look feat for both the actor and the character, 164 00:08:37,574 --> 00:08:40,334 Speaker 2: and it's kind of brought smoking back into that very 165 00:08:40,374 --> 00:08:43,014 Speaker 2: old school bad boy Hollywood way that did go out 166 00:08:43,014 --> 00:08:44,974 Speaker 2: of fashion for a while but has now come back 167 00:08:44,974 --> 00:08:46,254 Speaker 2: with this actor and this character. 168 00:08:46,494 --> 00:08:47,734 Speaker 1: What about on movie screens? 169 00:08:47,934 --> 00:08:50,614 Speaker 2: Yes, So this year with the twenty twenty four Oscars, 170 00:08:50,654 --> 00:08:53,374 Speaker 2: we saw a huge resurgeons in smoking in all the 171 00:08:53,374 --> 00:08:55,134 Speaker 2: top movies, So all the movies that were up for 172 00:08:55,174 --> 00:08:57,694 Speaker 2: Best Picture, all the top awards, with the exception of 173 00:08:57,734 --> 00:09:00,534 Speaker 2: Barbie that didn't feature smoking, but across the board we 174 00:09:00,574 --> 00:09:02,414 Speaker 2: saw a resurgent in it with the characters. 175 00:09:02,614 --> 00:09:05,814 Speaker 1: I heard a story that Killian Murphy, who obviously starred 176 00:09:05,854 --> 00:09:09,454 Speaker 1: in Oppenheimer and that won of bajillion awards this award season, 177 00:09:09,734 --> 00:09:14,014 Speaker 1: smoked three thousand cigarettes during the filming of that movie, 178 00:09:14,054 --> 00:09:16,014 Speaker 1: to the point where he says he'll only play non 179 00:09:16,014 --> 00:09:18,854 Speaker 1: smoking characters from now on because it nearly killed him. 180 00:09:19,054 --> 00:09:20,814 Speaker 1: These people have to suffer for their right if they're 181 00:09:20,814 --> 00:09:22,334 Speaker 1: not actual smokers in real life. 182 00:09:22,534 --> 00:09:24,534 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, and many of them pick it up just 183 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:27,574 Speaker 2: for filming purposes, but also I think because it is 184 00:09:27,654 --> 00:09:30,054 Speaker 2: quite addictive in nature, very infamously that a lot of 185 00:09:30,094 --> 00:09:32,014 Speaker 2: people who pick it up for their roles do talk 186 00:09:32,014 --> 00:09:33,934 Speaker 2: about the fact that it's harder to quit afterwards, that 187 00:09:34,014 --> 00:09:36,174 Speaker 2: it does pass over into their breaks, which is why 188 00:09:36,214 --> 00:09:39,454 Speaker 2: there's so many photos of actors in Hollywood smoking on 189 00:09:39,534 --> 00:09:42,094 Speaker 2: film sets or it just on the street in between filming. 190 00:09:42,254 --> 00:09:45,414 Speaker 1: We've also seen quite a bit of smoking around the 191 00:09:45,454 --> 00:09:47,694 Speaker 1: fashion world, and I want to get your take on 192 00:09:47,734 --> 00:09:50,094 Speaker 1: this too, because there's this idea that maybe we are 193 00:09:50,574 --> 00:09:53,414 Speaker 1: feeling a bit nostalgic for a time gone past, and 194 00:09:53,454 --> 00:09:55,654 Speaker 1: that's why there's that resurgence in like y two K 195 00:09:55,774 --> 00:09:59,014 Speaker 1: fashion and that real pushback to nineties kind of vibes, 196 00:09:59,014 --> 00:10:01,654 Speaker 1: and so like London Fashion Week, we saw models walking 197 00:10:01,734 --> 00:10:05,094 Speaker 1: the catwalk with admittedly unlit but with cigarettes either holding 198 00:10:05,094 --> 00:10:07,614 Speaker 1: them or having them dangling out of their mouths. Do 199 00:10:07,654 --> 00:10:11,054 Speaker 1: you think that there's that real dowgic kind of vibe 200 00:10:11,094 --> 00:10:13,534 Speaker 1: around smoking. Where it comes to pop culture right now. 201 00:10:13,414 --> 00:10:15,654 Speaker 2: It's definitely nostalgic because you have a lot of old 202 00:10:15,654 --> 00:10:18,374 Speaker 2: school celebrities who sort of crossed the pop culture world 203 00:10:18,374 --> 00:10:20,734 Speaker 2: and the fashion well, like Gwyneth Paltrow, who is known 204 00:10:20,854 --> 00:10:24,374 Speaker 2: for such a clean lifestyle, very infamously saying that she'll 205 00:10:24,454 --> 00:10:27,014 Speaker 2: still enjoy a cigarette with her tofu like. It's finding 206 00:10:27,094 --> 00:10:29,934 Speaker 2: that balance. It's sort of almost become the calling card 207 00:10:29,974 --> 00:10:33,414 Speaker 2: for the cool girls of Hollywood to regress back to smoking. 208 00:10:33,694 --> 00:10:35,814 Speaker 2: For a long time there you would never see, especially 209 00:10:35,814 --> 00:10:38,894 Speaker 2: a top Hollywood actress smoking, even if their characters and 210 00:10:38,934 --> 00:10:41,334 Speaker 2: movies did. It was seen as quite breaking the barrier 211 00:10:41,414 --> 00:10:43,414 Speaker 2: of what they were supposed to be doing. But now 212 00:10:43,494 --> 00:10:46,254 Speaker 2: it's become very much the cool girl thing, and especially 213 00:10:46,294 --> 00:10:49,094 Speaker 2: smoking areas they're not supposed to like very infamously, at 214 00:10:49,094 --> 00:10:52,254 Speaker 2: the met Gala, that event is no smoking. But back 215 00:10:52,254 --> 00:10:55,414 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, we had that very infamous photo go 216 00:10:55,654 --> 00:10:59,174 Speaker 2: viral in the Metgala bathroom of all the models and 217 00:10:59,214 --> 00:11:02,014 Speaker 2: all the fashion girls and all the actresses, everyone from 218 00:11:02,174 --> 00:11:05,214 Speaker 2: Ruby Rose to the head Did Sisters and Dakota Johnson 219 00:11:05,294 --> 00:11:08,214 Speaker 2: all smoking in the bathroom, and that photo actually gained 220 00:11:08,294 --> 00:11:10,934 Speaker 2: so much more traction than any in the Red Carpet photos. 221 00:11:11,054 --> 00:11:13,174 Speaker 2: Smoking in the bathrooms has since been banned, but they 222 00:11:13,214 --> 00:11:16,494 Speaker 2: still post photos from in there, and even the Olsen twins, 223 00:11:16,494 --> 00:11:19,614 Speaker 2: who have moved over from being actresses to being at 224 00:11:19,614 --> 00:11:22,334 Speaker 2: the very top of the fashion world, have always brought 225 00:11:22,374 --> 00:11:25,054 Speaker 2: smoking back in There's always been very infamous photos of 226 00:11:25,094 --> 00:11:27,534 Speaker 2: them walking the streets to New York with their oversized 227 00:11:27,534 --> 00:11:30,734 Speaker 2: coffee cups and their cigarettes, and even now, like the 228 00:11:30,734 --> 00:11:32,854 Speaker 2: only time we see them outside their fashion shows or 229 00:11:32,894 --> 00:11:35,214 Speaker 2: outside their business, they're out in the streets smoking. So 230 00:11:35,254 --> 00:11:38,014 Speaker 2: it has kind of become that signifier that they're almost 231 00:11:38,094 --> 00:11:41,134 Speaker 2: like pushing against Hollywood, and it's become the ultimate cool 232 00:11:41,174 --> 00:11:41,574 Speaker 2: girl thing. 233 00:11:41,894 --> 00:11:44,654 Speaker 1: Mary Kate two also is that one who infamously had 234 00:11:44,854 --> 00:11:47,894 Speaker 1: cigarettes almost as a centerpiece at her wedding when she 235 00:11:47,934 --> 00:11:49,854 Speaker 1: married Olivia Sarkozy. 236 00:11:49,374 --> 00:11:52,094 Speaker 2: Is it right? Yes, So no photos from that wedding 237 00:11:52,134 --> 00:11:54,454 Speaker 2: because that's the chak thing to do. But the only 238 00:11:54,574 --> 00:11:56,734 Speaker 2: detail that we really know is that there were little 239 00:11:56,774 --> 00:11:59,734 Speaker 2: bowls of cigarettes almost as party favors, across all of 240 00:11:59,734 --> 00:12:02,134 Speaker 2: the tables, and that they all got smoked that night. 241 00:12:02,174 --> 00:12:02,734 Speaker 2: At her wedding. 242 00:12:03,014 --> 00:12:06,014 Speaker 1: I also saw a picture of Rosalia, who I'm sure 243 00:12:06,054 --> 00:12:08,694 Speaker 1: you can confirm or deny this was or is dating 244 00:12:08,774 --> 00:12:11,854 Speaker 1: Jeremy Alan White, who I've already talked about. She rocked 245 00:12:11,934 --> 00:12:15,014 Speaker 1: up to Charlie XCX's birthday party with a cigarette bauquet 246 00:12:15,334 --> 00:12:17,894 Speaker 1: like a professional made this with cigarettes hanging off it. 247 00:12:18,494 --> 00:12:20,814 Speaker 2: Yes, with that relationship, we do believe they're not together 248 00:12:20,854 --> 00:12:23,414 Speaker 2: anymore since he was spotted kissing another co star from 249 00:12:23,414 --> 00:12:25,894 Speaker 2: the Bear But like neither confirm or deny, but yes, 250 00:12:26,014 --> 00:12:28,414 Speaker 2: Rosalie is another one of those cool girls who is 251 00:12:28,494 --> 00:12:31,414 Speaker 2: often seen smoking on the seat of her music videos 252 00:12:31,574 --> 00:12:34,014 Speaker 2: or in the street, and yet she very infamously brought 253 00:12:34,134 --> 00:12:38,054 Speaker 2: that big cigarette bouquet to Charlie xix's birthday and from 254 00:12:38,094 --> 00:12:41,454 Speaker 2: the photos we can see inside Charlie's birthday smoking was 255 00:12:41,574 --> 00:12:43,974 Speaker 2: pretty much the main activity. It is in all the photos, 256 00:12:43,974 --> 00:12:46,814 Speaker 2: so it's really main a resurgence with the younger music 257 00:12:46,814 --> 00:12:47,774 Speaker 2: crowd in particular. 258 00:12:48,134 --> 00:12:50,694 Speaker 1: Is this just another fad, Laura, Is this something that 259 00:12:50,734 --> 00:12:52,734 Speaker 1: you think is going to pass in the near future 260 00:12:52,814 --> 00:12:54,254 Speaker 1: or is smoking back to stay. 261 00:12:54,814 --> 00:12:57,654 Speaker 2: It's hard to say because the fact that it seems 262 00:12:57,694 --> 00:13:00,414 Speaker 2: to be as popular with some of the older stars 263 00:13:00,414 --> 00:13:03,094 Speaker 2: in Hollywood and the younger stars in Hollywood does make 264 00:13:03,134 --> 00:13:04,694 Speaker 2: me think that it is going to be around for 265 00:13:04,734 --> 00:13:07,694 Speaker 2: a while, just because for some reason, it just never 266 00:13:07,774 --> 00:13:10,294 Speaker 2: loses it's cool factor, no matter how much we know 267 00:13:10,774 --> 00:13:13,614 Speaker 2: about the health risks and the long term damage. There's 268 00:13:13,654 --> 00:13:16,534 Speaker 2: just something about it that, in particular in Hollywood, has 269 00:13:16,574 --> 00:13:19,374 Speaker 2: always been made so to be the epitome of call, 270 00:13:19,494 --> 00:13:21,574 Speaker 2: the epitome of someone who is like the hero of 271 00:13:21,574 --> 00:13:23,494 Speaker 2: the story. And of course that all comes back to 272 00:13:23,534 --> 00:13:26,014 Speaker 2: the fact that way back in the nineteen twenties, when 273 00:13:26,054 --> 00:13:30,414 Speaker 2: Hollywood first started making movies, their biggest advertisers were tobacco companies, 274 00:13:30,454 --> 00:13:33,174 Speaker 2: and so that's why there was so much smoking in 275 00:13:33,214 --> 00:13:35,454 Speaker 2: movies because it was part of that. But even though 276 00:13:35,454 --> 00:13:38,694 Speaker 2: that stops now and there's different regulations, it still continued 277 00:13:38,734 --> 00:13:40,374 Speaker 2: to be the kind of calling card. 278 00:13:42,774 --> 00:13:44,774 Speaker 1: For a long time, we've been hearing the good news 279 00:13:44,814 --> 00:13:48,014 Speaker 1: stories of young Australians kicking habits that older generations had 280 00:13:48,054 --> 00:13:51,934 Speaker 1: struggled with. They drink less alcohol, smoke less tobacco. But 281 00:13:52,054 --> 00:13:55,134 Speaker 1: new research shows jen z who are currently aged sixteen 282 00:13:55,174 --> 00:13:58,494 Speaker 1: to twenty four, have the highest daily smoking rates the 283 00:13:58,534 --> 00:14:01,294 Speaker 1: West Farmer's Health Index found gen Z's smoke more than 284 00:14:01,334 --> 00:14:04,614 Speaker 1: any other age group, with thirteen percent inhaling cigarettes on 285 00:14:04,654 --> 00:14:08,094 Speaker 1: a daily basis. So what's happened to undo decades of 286 00:14:08,094 --> 00:14:12,374 Speaker 1: anti smoking campaigning? Have the messages lost their influence? Carlie 287 00:14:12,414 --> 00:14:16,374 Speaker 1: Dober is the director of the Australian Association of Psychologists. Carli, 288 00:14:16,654 --> 00:14:19,334 Speaker 1: why do you think young Australians are getting back into smoking? 289 00:14:19,374 --> 00:14:22,654 Speaker 1: I mean it's addictive, it causes cancer, it smells terrible, 290 00:14:22,694 --> 00:14:24,534 Speaker 1: It even messes with your face. It will give you 291 00:14:24,534 --> 00:14:27,174 Speaker 1: those little lines around your mouth over time. What do 292 00:14:27,214 --> 00:14:28,934 Speaker 1: you think is drawing them back to cigarettes? 293 00:14:29,814 --> 00:14:31,854 Speaker 3: I think there are a few reasons, but I think 294 00:14:31,894 --> 00:14:35,294 Speaker 3: the most important or strong one is research from the 295 00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:39,254 Speaker 3: Australian National University found out that when young people take 296 00:14:39,334 --> 00:14:42,414 Speaker 3: up vaping, they are three times more likely to take 297 00:14:42,494 --> 00:14:45,814 Speaker 3: up smoking cigarettes. So I think in large part it's 298 00:14:45,814 --> 00:14:50,214 Speaker 3: the uptake of vaping that's become almost ubiquitous with young people. 299 00:14:50,574 --> 00:14:53,654 Speaker 1: It seems strange, though, because young people are so much 300 00:14:53,654 --> 00:14:56,534 Speaker 1: more educated than the generations before them. They're so much 301 00:14:56,574 --> 00:15:00,614 Speaker 1: better informed than anyone before them. Are we surprised then, 302 00:15:00,974 --> 00:15:03,614 Speaker 1: from gen Z that they took up vaping in the 303 00:15:03,654 --> 00:15:08,254 Speaker 1: first place. Knowing the implications and the issues surrounding that, 304 00:15:08,374 --> 00:15:10,094 Speaker 1: and then transitioning into smoking. 305 00:15:10,694 --> 00:15:14,534 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely am. I think we can't 306 00:15:14,854 --> 00:15:18,134 Speaker 3: underestimate the power of marketing. And if we think about 307 00:15:18,374 --> 00:15:22,734 Speaker 3: the early vabe companies and how aggressive they were in marketing, 308 00:15:22,774 --> 00:15:27,454 Speaker 3: particularly to young adults and teenagers. I mean, for all 309 00:15:27,454 --> 00:15:30,214 Speaker 3: the willpower and education that you have, the human brain 310 00:15:30,334 --> 00:15:34,694 Speaker 3: is no, it can't fight that. So you've got aggressive 311 00:15:34,774 --> 00:15:38,934 Speaker 3: marketing campaigns that again made vapes ubiquitous, that made them cool, 312 00:15:39,014 --> 00:15:41,094 Speaker 3: that made them like the new thing to do. And 313 00:15:41,134 --> 00:15:43,734 Speaker 3: we also have people taking up vaping and then I 314 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:46,774 Speaker 3: guess cigarette smoking when they're trying to manage things like 315 00:15:46,854 --> 00:15:51,654 Speaker 3: social anxiety or stress in ways that aren't the most 316 00:15:51,734 --> 00:15:55,334 Speaker 3: informed and healthy. But people will turn to whatever they can. 317 00:15:55,894 --> 00:15:57,854 Speaker 3: And then you also have peer pressure, right if all 318 00:15:57,854 --> 00:16:00,814 Speaker 3: of your friends are vaping, especially when you're a teenager 319 00:16:00,854 --> 00:16:04,654 Speaker 3: in developing your independence and friendships are really important to you, 320 00:16:05,334 --> 00:16:08,454 Speaker 3: do you risk losing your friends or being excluded if 321 00:16:08,454 --> 00:16:11,294 Speaker 3: you say no? I don't want too, I mean probably not. 322 00:16:11,974 --> 00:16:14,094 Speaker 3: I think it's really really difficult to say no and 323 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:15,774 Speaker 3: to abstain from that. 324 00:16:16,294 --> 00:16:19,134 Speaker 1: How much of it is actual pressure? And I don't 325 00:16:19,174 --> 00:16:22,494 Speaker 1: mean peer pressure, as in it was very widely publicized 326 00:16:22,534 --> 00:16:25,374 Speaker 1: that vaping was going to be cracked down on across Australia, 327 00:16:25,374 --> 00:16:27,374 Speaker 1: that you could only get it in a pharmacy, only 328 00:16:27,374 --> 00:16:29,094 Speaker 1: if you're over the age of eighteen, and in some 329 00:16:29,134 --> 00:16:33,734 Speaker 1: instances only on prescription. So when you're faced with a 330 00:16:34,254 --> 00:16:37,174 Speaker 1: shortfall in being able to access vapes that you may 331 00:16:37,214 --> 00:16:39,694 Speaker 1: have been using for a year or two or longer already, 332 00:16:40,294 --> 00:16:42,854 Speaker 1: then do you feel that sort of hopelessness of what 333 00:16:42,894 --> 00:16:44,774 Speaker 1: am I going to do now? And so then naturally 334 00:16:44,974 --> 00:16:46,174 Speaker 1: it's just turning to smoking. 335 00:16:46,774 --> 00:16:48,734 Speaker 3: Oll that could be the case for many people, because 336 00:16:48,774 --> 00:16:52,694 Speaker 3: you've got the physiological addiction and the psychological addiction to 337 00:16:52,734 --> 00:16:56,294 Speaker 3: that behavior or doing something with your hands, to feeling 338 00:16:56,454 --> 00:16:59,494 Speaker 3: a bit uneasy if you don't have that release. So 339 00:16:59,574 --> 00:17:02,534 Speaker 3: I think that that swap two cigarettes that might be 340 00:17:02,574 --> 00:17:05,134 Speaker 3: easier to obtain for some young people, could definitely be 341 00:17:05,174 --> 00:17:07,654 Speaker 3: part of it. But I also think that when young 342 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,934 Speaker 3: people go out and maybe they're vape cutries is run 343 00:17:09,934 --> 00:17:12,494 Speaker 3: out and people have cigarettes and they again want to 344 00:17:12,494 --> 00:17:15,094 Speaker 3: do something with their hands, maybe that's just oh, well, 345 00:17:15,374 --> 00:17:17,614 Speaker 3: that's he now, I'll just use that for now, and 346 00:17:17,654 --> 00:17:20,454 Speaker 3: then you become addicted because nicotine is just so addictive. 347 00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:22,414 Speaker 1: Now you've already touched on this a bit with the 348 00:17:22,414 --> 00:17:26,334 Speaker 1: aggressive marketing, but there has been a few social media 349 00:17:26,374 --> 00:17:30,374 Speaker 1: accounts pop up with they call themselves influencers, so people 350 00:17:30,414 --> 00:17:33,934 Speaker 1: who want to reclaim the coolness of smoking. And there 351 00:17:33,974 --> 00:17:38,294 Speaker 1: are quite a few celebrities who are very publicly smoking 352 00:17:38,454 --> 00:17:41,134 Speaker 1: and they are making it look very cool. Let's not 353 00:17:41,254 --> 00:17:44,574 Speaker 1: argue with that, but just how influential is the behavior 354 00:17:44,574 --> 00:17:46,614 Speaker 1: of celebrities that we might be looking up to on 355 00:17:46,654 --> 00:17:47,414 Speaker 1: our own behavior. 356 00:17:47,974 --> 00:17:51,614 Speaker 3: Celebrities really do set the mold for things like being cool. 357 00:17:52,054 --> 00:17:55,574 Speaker 3: They're a cultural moment. Again, all your friends or a 358 00:17:55,654 --> 00:17:59,014 Speaker 3: particular artists, like particular model, and this is part of 359 00:17:59,054 --> 00:18:02,294 Speaker 3: their behaviors that you want to emulate, Especially when you're 360 00:18:02,294 --> 00:18:05,774 Speaker 3: an impressiable teenager. It becomes really hard to turn that down. 361 00:18:06,294 --> 00:18:09,654 Speaker 3: Young people might not understand the reasons that some celebrity 362 00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:12,854 Speaker 3: are taking this habit. Maybe some are sponsored, Maybe some 363 00:18:12,934 --> 00:18:15,814 Speaker 3: of us trying to suppress their weight because they're managing 364 00:18:15,814 --> 00:18:19,054 Speaker 3: an eating disorder. We don't know what's happening, but all 365 00:18:19,614 --> 00:18:22,574 Speaker 3: the young people see are, of course, are theb pretty smoking. 366 00:18:22,694 --> 00:18:23,414 Speaker 3: I want to smoke. 367 00:18:24,054 --> 00:18:27,454 Speaker 1: I know that addiction to cigarettes is multi layered, and 368 00:18:27,734 --> 00:18:30,334 Speaker 1: if nicotine is the thing that you're addicted to, it 369 00:18:30,374 --> 00:18:34,294 Speaker 1: requires help from a medical professional and various strategies in 370 00:18:34,374 --> 00:18:36,094 Speaker 1: order to handle that. But a lot of the time 371 00:18:36,334 --> 00:18:38,814 Speaker 1: and even people I know who've tried to give up smoking, 372 00:18:39,174 --> 00:18:42,574 Speaker 1: they say that the habit is the hardest part to break, 373 00:18:42,734 --> 00:18:45,614 Speaker 1: the taking a break every so often to go outside 374 00:18:45,654 --> 00:18:48,094 Speaker 1: and just sit and kind of focus on that one 375 00:18:48,134 --> 00:18:50,374 Speaker 1: thing for a moment, or like you mentioned, doing something 376 00:18:50,374 --> 00:18:52,494 Speaker 1: with their hands in a social situation that makes them 377 00:18:52,494 --> 00:18:55,894 Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. Are there strategies or tools that we can 378 00:18:55,934 --> 00:18:59,214 Speaker 1: try and employ that could maybe start to just break 379 00:18:59,254 --> 00:19:01,734 Speaker 1: that habit at its beginning and move us away and 380 00:19:01,774 --> 00:19:04,094 Speaker 1: then we can deal with the addiction of nicotine. 381 00:19:04,294 --> 00:19:06,814 Speaker 3: Like you said, it can be incredibly difficult, and I 382 00:19:06,854 --> 00:19:09,694 Speaker 3: think when we're talking about swapping behaviors, we need to 383 00:19:09,774 --> 00:19:12,854 Speaker 3: understand and encourage people to know that it will take 384 00:19:12,854 --> 00:19:15,574 Speaker 3: a lot of time. You are going to be very frustrated. 385 00:19:15,894 --> 00:19:19,694 Speaker 3: It isn't going to feel as helpful initially, But our 386 00:19:19,734 --> 00:19:22,534 Speaker 3: brains are association machines, so again, this is why it 387 00:19:22,574 --> 00:19:25,094 Speaker 3: takes time. I encourage people to do things like go 388 00:19:25,174 --> 00:19:27,414 Speaker 3: for a walk, you know, be quite active. Maybe it's 389 00:19:27,414 --> 00:19:29,454 Speaker 3: a brisk walk for people, maybe it's a slower one. 390 00:19:29,454 --> 00:19:32,694 Speaker 3: But to be engaged and not just sit there, because 391 00:19:32,694 --> 00:19:35,654 Speaker 3: that can be incredibly difficult for some people to do. Initially, 392 00:19:35,974 --> 00:19:39,694 Speaker 3: listen to music, call a friend, but be stimulated in 393 00:19:39,774 --> 00:19:42,014 Speaker 3: some way. And you know, for some people they do 394 00:19:42,094 --> 00:19:44,894 Speaker 3: find that eating can be helpful as well. You know 395 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:47,214 Speaker 3: you are busy with your hands, you are doing something. 396 00:19:47,774 --> 00:19:50,454 Speaker 3: Plan well, build these breaks into your day ahead of 397 00:19:50,534 --> 00:19:53,454 Speaker 3: time so you aren't feeling confused shuzzled. What do I 398 00:19:53,494 --> 00:19:55,614 Speaker 3: do now? Try to plan ahead of time. 399 00:19:56,214 --> 00:19:59,254 Speaker 1: Just finally, we do always really focus in on the 400 00:19:59,254 --> 00:20:01,854 Speaker 1: person who has the addiction, But is there anything that 401 00:20:01,854 --> 00:20:03,654 Speaker 1: we can do if there are people who around us 402 00:20:03,774 --> 00:20:06,134 Speaker 1: who are addicted themselves, Like if we are trying to 403 00:20:06,214 --> 00:20:09,454 Speaker 1: encourage someone to stop smoking without it turning into sounding 404 00:20:09,614 --> 00:20:12,814 Speaker 1: like we're nagging them or sort of not understanding just 405 00:20:12,854 --> 00:20:14,974 Speaker 1: how difficult this process is by saying, you know, just 406 00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:17,454 Speaker 1: don't have another cigarette. What can we do with our 407 00:20:17,454 --> 00:20:20,494 Speaker 1: behaviors to encourage someone around us who is attempting to quit? 408 00:20:20,654 --> 00:20:23,854 Speaker 3: Be patient and be kind and read up about nicotine 409 00:20:23,894 --> 00:20:28,094 Speaker 3: withdrawals yourself and how rough it can be psychologically and 410 00:20:28,174 --> 00:20:30,454 Speaker 3: physiologically because you'll be able to give them a bit 411 00:20:30,494 --> 00:20:34,334 Speaker 3: more patience and understanding and compassion when you actually understand 412 00:20:34,454 --> 00:20:38,014 Speaker 3: how tough it can be. I think then also explaining 413 00:20:38,054 --> 00:20:39,894 Speaker 3: to them that you are there to support them, that 414 00:20:40,094 --> 00:20:41,894 Speaker 3: maybe you don't know what it's like, maybe you do 415 00:20:42,014 --> 00:20:44,854 Speaker 3: know what it's like, but you're trying to help them, 416 00:20:44,934 --> 00:20:48,894 Speaker 3: and you can do whatever will help them to get 417 00:20:48,934 --> 00:20:51,174 Speaker 3: through this better. Again, maybe that's going for a walk, 418 00:20:51,174 --> 00:20:54,094 Speaker 3: Maybe that's keeping them occupied. Maybe it's just spenting about 419 00:20:54,134 --> 00:20:57,974 Speaker 3: how difficult it is that patience and compassion and support 420 00:20:58,174 --> 00:20:59,014 Speaker 3: are so helpful. 421 00:20:59,654 --> 00:21:02,134 Speaker 1: There is also a theory that some gen zs are 422 00:21:02,174 --> 00:21:05,534 Speaker 1: pushing back on wellness culture that has sold them solutions 423 00:21:05,574 --> 00:21:06,534 Speaker 1: from every angle. 424 00:21:06,694 --> 00:21:06,894 Speaker 2: Well. 425 00:21:06,934 --> 00:21:10,814 Speaker 1: They also witness older generations making decisions that negatively impact 426 00:21:10,814 --> 00:21:15,094 Speaker 1: their futures. Perhaps smoking, despite all its unhealthiness, is a 427 00:21:15,134 --> 00:21:17,494 Speaker 1: way of rebelling against a world that makes young people 428 00:21:17,534 --> 00:21:20,694 Speaker 1: feel like they have no control over their destiny. Thanks 429 00:21:20,694 --> 00:21:22,774 Speaker 1: for taking some time to feed your mind with us today. 430 00:21:22,934 --> 00:21:25,494 Speaker 1: The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our 431 00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:32,694 Speaker 1: executive producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by Lou Hill.