1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:15,815 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma their podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. 2 00:00:15,975 --> 00:00:20,055 Speaker 1: This is Mumummy's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. The 3 00:00:20,095 --> 00:00:24,335 Speaker 1: Liberal Party have scrapped net zero by twenty fifty after 4 00:00:24,375 --> 00:00:27,575 Speaker 1: a marathon meeting this week, Susan Lee's shadow government announced 5 00:00:27,575 --> 00:00:31,495 Speaker 1: the decision. A move toward renewable energy and conscious efforts 6 00:00:31,535 --> 00:00:34,335 Speaker 1: to reduce carbon emissions in the next twenty five years 7 00:00:34,615 --> 00:00:38,254 Speaker 1: no longer a priority for the Libs. So what impact 8 00:00:38,254 --> 00:00:42,455 Speaker 1: does this have on an already flailing opposition. Plus there's 9 00:00:42,455 --> 00:00:45,614 Speaker 1: been an urgent call to dumb transfats due to their 10 00:00:45,654 --> 00:00:48,975 Speaker 1: links with heart problems. But what the is a trans 11 00:00:49,055 --> 00:00:52,215 Speaker 1: fat and how do I spot it before we get there? 12 00:00:52,294 --> 00:00:54,695 Speaker 1: He is Tarlie Blackman with the latest from The Quickie 13 00:00:54,695 --> 00:00:57,415 Speaker 1: newsroom for Friday, November fourteen. 14 00:00:57,535 --> 00:01:02,175 Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. Newly released congressional documents show Jeffrey Epstein described 15 00:01:02,255 --> 00:01:06,255 Speaker 2: Donald Trump as borderline insane and questioned whether the former 16 00:01:06,295 --> 00:01:10,015 Speaker 2: president had early dementia in private emails before his death. 17 00:01:10,695 --> 00:01:14,535 Speaker 2: Republicans on the House Oversight Committee released about twenty thousand 18 00:01:14,615 --> 00:01:19,175 Speaker 2: pages of material from Epstein's estate yesterday. The emails shared 19 00:01:19,175 --> 00:01:23,015 Speaker 2: with reporters between twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen revealed Epstein 20 00:01:23,135 --> 00:01:27,375 Speaker 2: frequently criticized Trump's behavior, calling him crazy and dirty. The 21 00:01:27,415 --> 00:01:30,655 Speaker 2: White House dismissed the revelations as a political hoax, saying 22 00:01:30,695 --> 00:01:33,375 Speaker 2: Trump had long cut ties with Epstein, who died in 23 00:01:33,455 --> 00:01:36,655 Speaker 2: jail in twenty nineteen while awaiting trial on federal sex 24 00:01:36,695 --> 00:01:41,975 Speaker 2: trafficking charges. The family of murdered grandmother Viilein White has 25 00:01:42,015 --> 00:01:45,695 Speaker 2: condemned the sixteen year maximum sentence handed to her sixteen 26 00:01:45,775 --> 00:01:49,255 Speaker 2: year old killer, calling it inadequate for such a brutal crime. 27 00:01:49,855 --> 00:01:52,655 Speaker 2: The Queensland government says it will consider an appeal after 28 00:01:52,695 --> 00:01:55,215 Speaker 2: the boy fatally stabbed Miss White in front of her 29 00:01:55,215 --> 00:01:58,895 Speaker 2: granddaughter outside a Red Bank plane shopping center in February 30 00:01:58,895 --> 00:02:01,935 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. The now eighteen year old will likely 31 00:02:01,975 --> 00:02:05,615 Speaker 2: be released in twenty thirty three, around his twenty six birthday. 32 00:02:06,135 --> 00:02:09,774 Speaker 2: Outside court, Miss White's daughters, Cindy mcleth and Julie Ryan, 33 00:02:09,935 --> 00:02:14,175 Speaker 2: said the sentence left their family devastated. Her husband, Victor White, 34 00:02:14,255 --> 00:02:18,215 Speaker 2: described the state's previous youth sentencing laws as weak. The 35 00:02:18,295 --> 00:02:22,375 Speaker 2: murder prompted Queensland's adult crime Adult Time reforms, which imposed 36 00:02:22,455 --> 00:02:26,575 Speaker 2: tougher penalties for juvenile killers, though they do not apply retroactively. 37 00:02:27,535 --> 00:02:31,375 Speaker 2: Reforms to improve safety in childcare and early education settings 38 00:02:31,415 --> 00:02:34,015 Speaker 2: could be rolled out nationwide by the end of the year. 39 00:02:34,535 --> 00:02:38,415 Speaker 2: Attorney General Michelle Rowland recently announced thirty seven million in 40 00:02:38,495 --> 00:02:42,535 Speaker 2: funding for enhanced national monitoring of Working with Children checks. 41 00:02:42,815 --> 00:02:46,095 Speaker 2: The new system will use state and territory police databases 42 00:02:46,135 --> 00:02:50,295 Speaker 2: to provide near real time updates on checkholder's criminal history, 43 00:02:50,575 --> 00:02:54,215 Speaker 2: with a pilot expected to launch in December. Miss Rowland 44 00:02:54,215 --> 00:02:58,135 Speaker 2: said the changes will create greater consistency between jurisdictions and 45 00:02:58,215 --> 00:03:02,095 Speaker 2: strength and safeguards for children. The reforms follow the case 46 00:03:02,135 --> 00:03:05,735 Speaker 2: of Joshua Dale Brown, a Melbourne childcare workouard, charged was 47 00:03:05,775 --> 00:03:09,575 Speaker 2: sexually abusing eight children under the age of two. Since 48 00:03:09,615 --> 00:03:13,455 Speaker 2: an August meeting of educational ministers, five states and territories 49 00:03:13,495 --> 00:03:16,175 Speaker 2: have acted to ensure that people banned in one state 50 00:03:16,255 --> 00:03:21,775 Speaker 2: are banned nationwide. Psychiatrist doctor Daniella Vecchio has been named 51 00:03:21,855 --> 00:03:24,615 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six Australian of the Year for Western 52 00:03:24,615 --> 00:03:28,535 Speaker 2: Australia for her groundbreaking work addressing gaming and social media 53 00:03:28,575 --> 00:03:32,655 Speaker 2: addiction in young people while leading mental health services at 54 00:03:32,695 --> 00:03:36,615 Speaker 2: Fiona Stanley Hospital. Doctor Vecchio recognized the growing number of 55 00:03:36,735 --> 00:03:41,295 Speaker 2: children spending excessive time online, often becoming isolated from family 56 00:03:41,335 --> 00:03:45,255 Speaker 2: and friends. In twenty twenty two, she established Australia's first 57 00:03:45,375 --> 00:03:49,695 Speaker 2: publicly funded gaming disorder clinic, focused on early detection, prevention 58 00:03:49,895 --> 00:03:53,015 Speaker 2: and treatment. The clinic has since helped more than three 59 00:03:53,095 --> 00:03:56,655 Speaker 2: hundred patients reconnect with their communities and regain balance in 60 00:03:56,695 --> 00:04:00,095 Speaker 2: their lives. Doctor Vecchio said she was motivated by a 61 00:04:00,135 --> 00:04:04,295 Speaker 2: deep commitment to helping invisible children trapped in a digital addiction. 62 00:04:04,895 --> 00:04:08,215 Speaker 2: She hopes to expand the program nationwide to ensure more 63 00:04:08,295 --> 00:04:10,495 Speaker 2: families can access vital support. 64 00:04:11,335 --> 00:04:20,695 Speaker 1: Thanks Charlie Next, the Lib's net zero decision unpacked. The 65 00:04:20,735 --> 00:04:24,215 Speaker 1: party has spoken and the eyes have it. The Liberal 66 00:04:24,255 --> 00:04:27,055 Speaker 1: Party will abandon the net zero goal from the Climate 67 00:04:27,135 --> 00:04:31,255 Speaker 1: Change Act. As a reminder, net zero by twenty fifty 68 00:04:31,335 --> 00:04:34,375 Speaker 1: refers to a commitment to balance the amount of greenhouse 69 00:04:34,415 --> 00:04:37,654 Speaker 1: gases Australia admits with the amount it removes from the 70 00:04:37,735 --> 00:04:41,735 Speaker 1: atmosphere by the year twenty fifty. Labor want it done 71 00:04:41,775 --> 00:04:45,734 Speaker 1: by twenty thirty. The National Party chose to dump it entirely, 72 00:04:46,215 --> 00:04:50,175 Speaker 1: and now their coalition counterparts, the Liberals, have followed suit. 73 00:04:50,935 --> 00:04:54,855 Speaker 1: Opposition leader Susan Lee says net zero is not the priority, 74 00:04:55,175 --> 00:04:56,655 Speaker 1: but would be welcome. 75 00:04:57,135 --> 00:05:00,935 Speaker 3: If we can get there with technology, with choice and 76 00:05:01,015 --> 00:05:05,415 Speaker 3: with voluntary markets. Make no mistake, we're not pursuing net zero. 77 00:05:05,615 --> 00:05:10,095 Speaker 3: We are pursuing energy affordability and emissions reduction. We believe 78 00:05:10,495 --> 00:05:14,735 Speaker 3: we can have far more success in affordable electricity and 79 00:05:14,855 --> 00:05:17,495 Speaker 3: emissions reduction than the current government. 80 00:05:20,495 --> 00:05:24,735 Speaker 1: Meantime, Shadow Environment Minister Dan Teen says lowering power prices 81 00:05:24,735 --> 00:05:28,535 Speaker 1: and emissions still remain a top priority for his party. 82 00:05:29,215 --> 00:05:33,815 Speaker 4: We will put downward pressure on energy prices using the 83 00:05:33,975 --> 00:05:38,095 Speaker 4: energy abundance that we have as a nation. The second 84 00:05:38,135 --> 00:05:40,854 Speaker 4: thing is we're going to make sure that we're doing 85 00:05:41,015 --> 00:05:44,535 Speaker 4: our fare share when it comes to emissions reduction. 86 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:48,974 Speaker 1: The Shadow Ministry, meeting for hours yesterday, finalized the party's 87 00:05:48,975 --> 00:05:52,414 Speaker 1: policy to dump net zero, also confirming they won't withdrawal 88 00:05:52,455 --> 00:05:55,815 Speaker 1: from the Global Paris Agreement, meaning the coalition will still 89 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:59,015 Speaker 1: be part of the Global Climate Framework, but no longer 90 00:05:59,015 --> 00:06:03,214 Speaker 1: bound to achieving carbon neutrality within that timeframe. So why 91 00:06:03,255 --> 00:06:05,214 Speaker 1: does this matter and what does it mean for the 92 00:06:05,215 --> 00:06:08,734 Speaker 1: future of the Liberal Party. Amy Romiquez is the chief 93 00:06:08,735 --> 00:06:12,495 Speaker 1: political analyst at the Australian Institute and a contributing editor 94 00:06:12,655 --> 00:06:16,094 Speaker 1: of the New Daily Amy talk us through what went 95 00:06:16,175 --> 00:06:17,655 Speaker 1: down in Cambra yesterday. 96 00:06:18,375 --> 00:06:23,615 Speaker 5: So the Coalition have basically been in arrested development for 97 00:06:23,655 --> 00:06:26,615 Speaker 5: the last thirty years when it comes to climate policy, 98 00:06:27,015 --> 00:06:31,295 Speaker 5: and what we saw yesterday was the inevitable outcome of that. 99 00:06:31,695 --> 00:06:36,015 Speaker 5: So for thirty years the Coalition has found a lot 100 00:06:36,015 --> 00:06:41,535 Speaker 5: of political capital in not doing anything on climate. It 101 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:45,214 Speaker 5: started with John Howard when he refused to ratify the 102 00:06:45,335 --> 00:06:49,735 Speaker 5: Kyoto Agreement, which was to keep emissions at two thousand 103 00:06:49,775 --> 00:06:54,534 Speaker 5: and five levels. He made international headlines and quite a 104 00:06:54,615 --> 00:06:59,175 Speaker 5: name for himself in conservative politics circles by refusing to 105 00:06:59,255 --> 00:07:04,214 Speaker 5: ratify Kyoto. So the conservative side of Australian politics have 106 00:07:04,335 --> 00:07:08,775 Speaker 5: been really tied up with climate and emissions policy and 107 00:07:08,815 --> 00:07:13,815 Speaker 5: they've seen a lot of individual political gain being made 108 00:07:14,015 --> 00:07:15,455 Speaker 5: out of refusing to. 109 00:07:15,375 --> 00:07:16,335 Speaker 6: Act on climate. 110 00:07:16,895 --> 00:07:20,455 Speaker 5: Fast forward to twenty twenty five and yesterday and we 111 00:07:20,535 --> 00:07:25,095 Speaker 5: saw that outcome. So the Nationals came out and said 112 00:07:25,495 --> 00:07:28,375 Speaker 5: we are getting rid of net zero, not because it 113 00:07:28,495 --> 00:07:32,255 Speaker 5: makes sense, not because it's what their electorates want, not 114 00:07:32,375 --> 00:07:35,975 Speaker 5: because it's what the science wants, but because it's what 115 00:07:36,095 --> 00:07:38,655 Speaker 5: they feel that they have to do to fight off 116 00:07:38,695 --> 00:07:42,575 Speaker 5: one Nation and the hard right in the Liberal Party 117 00:07:42,695 --> 00:07:46,655 Speaker 5: are very much on board with the Nationals policy, and 118 00:07:46,775 --> 00:07:50,975 Speaker 5: they forced the moderates what's left of them and Leader 119 00:07:51,055 --> 00:07:55,895 Speaker 5: Susan Lee to capitulate and also scrap net zero, so 120 00:07:56,015 --> 00:07:59,495 Speaker 5: the coalition as a whole no longer supports net zero. 121 00:07:59,735 --> 00:08:03,015 Speaker 1: I want to focus specifically on young voters. We know 122 00:08:03,095 --> 00:08:05,975 Speaker 1: that that's one of the areas the Liberals felled at 123 00:08:06,015 --> 00:08:09,735 Speaker 1: the last federal election. We also know that a large 124 00:08:09,735 --> 00:08:12,735 Speaker 1: majority of young people are concerned about the environment and 125 00:08:12,855 --> 00:08:15,935 Speaker 1: really care about things like climate change and policy. To 126 00:08:16,055 --> 00:08:19,295 Speaker 1: back that up, is this further digging the grave for 127 00:08:19,335 --> 00:08:21,895 Speaker 1: the Liberals when it comes to winning over or maybe 128 00:08:22,055 --> 00:08:24,295 Speaker 1: for the first time, getting that young vote. 129 00:08:24,375 --> 00:08:26,975 Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, they're kind of dead in the water when 130 00:08:27,055 --> 00:08:30,095 Speaker 6: it comes to that younger vote, not just gen Z, 131 00:08:30,455 --> 00:08:33,535 Speaker 6: but also younger millennials and older millennials. 132 00:08:33,615 --> 00:08:36,815 Speaker 5: They've found because you know, as the consequence of the 133 00:08:36,814 --> 00:08:40,135 Speaker 5: policies that we've had, older millennials aren't changing their voting 134 00:08:40,175 --> 00:08:43,575 Speaker 5: habits like their parents and grandparents did and getting more 135 00:08:43,575 --> 00:08:45,895 Speaker 5: conservative as they get older. At least that's what the 136 00:08:45,975 --> 00:08:48,855 Speaker 5: data is telling us. And so not only are they 137 00:08:49,255 --> 00:08:54,215 Speaker 5: losing younger voters. They're also losing people who are about 138 00:08:54,255 --> 00:08:57,735 Speaker 5: to vote for the first time who have really started 139 00:08:57,775 --> 00:09:01,175 Speaker 5: to switch on to the issues that are around them, 140 00:09:01,215 --> 00:09:02,855 Speaker 5: because they are the ones who are going to be 141 00:09:02,935 --> 00:09:06,495 Speaker 5: inheriting all of the problems that we're creating now. And 142 00:09:06,575 --> 00:09:10,095 Speaker 5: we know that the Alpha generation and Gen Z are 143 00:09:10,335 --> 00:09:16,095 Speaker 5: very politically switched on. They're very motivated by political issues 144 00:09:16,135 --> 00:09:19,455 Speaker 5: and highly engaged through social media and all the rest 145 00:09:19,455 --> 00:09:22,695 Speaker 5: of it. And we already know from polls that they're 146 00:09:22,695 --> 00:09:25,215 Speaker 5: not looking at the Liberal Party as someone that they 147 00:09:25,255 --> 00:09:28,415 Speaker 5: would want to elect to run the country because of 148 00:09:28,455 --> 00:09:30,775 Speaker 5: this issue, because of the way that they treat women, 149 00:09:30,855 --> 00:09:32,814 Speaker 5: because of the way that they deal with integrity. 150 00:09:33,255 --> 00:09:34,775 Speaker 6: All of the things that the Liberals have. 151 00:09:34,855 --> 00:09:38,175 Speaker 5: Gone backwards on over the last couple of elections is 152 00:09:38,215 --> 00:09:42,935 Speaker 5: what's turning off newer voters. And you cannot win elections 153 00:09:43,255 --> 00:09:46,934 Speaker 5: without winning some of the youth. You cannot win elections 154 00:09:47,215 --> 00:09:51,175 Speaker 5: without winning city electorates where younger people tend to live. 155 00:09:51,615 --> 00:09:54,295 Speaker 6: And so the Liberals are essentially signing. 156 00:09:54,054 --> 00:09:58,574 Speaker 7: Themselves up to electoral obscurity for the near future if 157 00:09:58,575 --> 00:10:02,895 Speaker 7: they even survive as a political party beyond the next decade, 158 00:10:02,935 --> 00:10:05,734 Speaker 7: which I think is highly unlikely At the moment. 159 00:10:06,175 --> 00:10:08,375 Speaker 1: It confuses me a little bit Amian. Maybe you can 160 00:10:08,415 --> 00:10:10,574 Speaker 1: shed some more light on this for us. The twenty 161 00:10:10,615 --> 00:10:14,055 Speaker 1: twenty five World Energy Report from the International Energy Agency 162 00:10:14,215 --> 00:10:17,175 Speaker 1: has been released in sort of recent weeks. They say 163 00:10:17,175 --> 00:10:21,175 Speaker 1: that renewables are cheaper and cleaner than things like nuclear 164 00:10:21,175 --> 00:10:23,614 Speaker 1: and coal fired power stations, which is what the Liberals 165 00:10:23,775 --> 00:10:26,655 Speaker 1: want more of, and that's sort of the backbone of 166 00:10:26,695 --> 00:10:30,095 Speaker 1: how they've pushed through this change to dumping net zero. 167 00:10:30,935 --> 00:10:33,295 Speaker 1: Those two things don't add up and they don't make 168 00:10:33,335 --> 00:10:36,895 Speaker 1: sense together. So why would the Liberal party, given this 169 00:10:37,015 --> 00:10:40,815 Speaker 1: evidence that things like renewables are cleaner, cheaper, potentially going 170 00:10:40,855 --> 00:10:42,815 Speaker 1: to lower your power prices, why would they choose to 171 00:10:42,855 --> 00:10:44,574 Speaker 1: reject that in favor of something else. 172 00:10:45,135 --> 00:10:48,055 Speaker 5: I think it's easiest to understand if you think about 173 00:10:48,095 --> 00:10:50,735 Speaker 5: this not as a policy that's meant to make sense 174 00:10:50,855 --> 00:10:54,295 Speaker 5: in the broad or even to get people elected. It's 175 00:10:54,335 --> 00:10:58,495 Speaker 5: a policy to save individual political skin. So there's been 176 00:10:58,535 --> 00:11:02,655 Speaker 5: some recent polling of the electorates where we're going to 177 00:11:02,735 --> 00:11:07,455 Speaker 5: see renewables, and these are mostly Nationals electorates, where they 178 00:11:07,495 --> 00:11:11,295 Speaker 5: found that only seventeen percent share the same view as 179 00:11:11,335 --> 00:11:14,975 Speaker 5: the Nationals on scrapping net zero and being against wind 180 00:11:15,015 --> 00:11:15,975 Speaker 5: and solar farms. 181 00:11:16,255 --> 00:11:17,295 Speaker 6: Two thirds of. 182 00:11:17,295 --> 00:11:22,575 Speaker 5: People living in those electorates support having renewable energy support 183 00:11:22,695 --> 00:11:25,975 Speaker 5: net zero, So it doesn't make sense from an electoral 184 00:11:26,015 --> 00:11:27,934 Speaker 5: point of view, which is why you've got to really 185 00:11:27,975 --> 00:11:32,335 Speaker 5: think about this as being more individualistic, more about people 186 00:11:32,815 --> 00:11:36,455 Speaker 5: making their own name in politics, and more about them 187 00:11:36,975 --> 00:11:40,135 Speaker 5: rising within their own base, which we know tends to 188 00:11:40,175 --> 00:11:45,295 Speaker 5: be whiter, older and more conservative than mainstream Australia. Because 189 00:11:45,375 --> 00:11:48,334 Speaker 5: you're right, and all of the reports are right, renewables 190 00:11:48,415 --> 00:11:51,695 Speaker 5: are the cheapest form of energy. And it's not out 191 00:11:51,695 --> 00:11:54,855 Speaker 5: of the goodness of their hearts that we're seeing business, 192 00:11:54,975 --> 00:11:59,814 Speaker 5: the communities and industry start to move to move to renewables. 193 00:12:00,135 --> 00:12:04,574 Speaker 5: It's because it's cheaper, it makes more financial sense. Australia's 194 00:12:04,615 --> 00:12:08,095 Speaker 5: power prices have gone up in recent years. No one 195 00:12:08,095 --> 00:12:10,095 Speaker 5: can deny that. A lot of that is to do 196 00:12:10,335 --> 00:12:14,255 Speaker 5: because of how we've linked our coal and gas prices 197 00:12:14,295 --> 00:12:18,215 Speaker 5: to the international market. So because we sell so much 198 00:12:18,255 --> 00:12:22,055 Speaker 5: of our gas, in particular to the international market, whenever 199 00:12:22,135 --> 00:12:24,855 Speaker 5: we need some of that gas to come back, we're 200 00:12:24,895 --> 00:12:28,295 Speaker 5: paying international prices for that. And because of all of 201 00:12:28,335 --> 00:12:30,615 Speaker 5: the conflict and all of the issues on trade and 202 00:12:30,655 --> 00:12:33,015 Speaker 5: all the rest of it. The price on the international 203 00:12:33,015 --> 00:12:36,575 Speaker 5: market has gone up, which means that our electricity prices 204 00:12:36,895 --> 00:12:39,855 Speaker 5: have gone up. The Nationals don't want to do this 205 00:12:39,935 --> 00:12:43,895 Speaker 5: to win elections, and Bridget McKenzie, a National Senator, has 206 00:12:43,895 --> 00:12:47,575 Speaker 5: said it's not her job to win Liberal Party electorates. 207 00:12:47,895 --> 00:12:51,215 Speaker 5: Barnaby Joyce, who has sparked all of this, has said 208 00:12:51,255 --> 00:12:54,215 Speaker 5: that he doesn't care if they win elections or not. 209 00:12:54,415 --> 00:12:57,095 Speaker 5: He's going to move forward with doing this. So I 210 00:12:57,095 --> 00:12:59,415 Speaker 5: think you've got to switch from thinking about it as 211 00:12:59,535 --> 00:13:02,175 Speaker 5: they want to win elections to they just want to 212 00:13:02,215 --> 00:13:05,895 Speaker 5: win this culture war because that extends the use of 213 00:13:05,975 --> 00:13:10,574 Speaker 5: fossil fuel in Australia for longer, and ultimately that's what 214 00:13:10,615 --> 00:13:14,215 Speaker 5: it's about. All of this confusion is about extending the 215 00:13:14,295 --> 00:13:17,615 Speaker 5: life of fossil fuels for as long as possible. 216 00:13:17,895 --> 00:13:19,015 Speaker 6: And people can make up. 217 00:13:18,895 --> 00:13:21,855 Speaker 5: Their own minds about why there are those vested interests, 218 00:13:22,295 --> 00:13:25,735 Speaker 5: but they can no longer say climate change isn't happening. 219 00:13:25,895 --> 00:13:27,054 Speaker 6: They've lost that battle. 220 00:13:27,335 --> 00:13:29,895 Speaker 5: This is the new way that they're addressing, you know, 221 00:13:30,135 --> 00:13:32,175 Speaker 5: those sort of culture wars that we've seen for the 222 00:13:32,255 --> 00:13:33,215 Speaker 5: last few decades. 223 00:13:34,095 --> 00:13:37,095 Speaker 1: It's interesting in wanting to be the front runner in 224 00:13:37,135 --> 00:13:40,215 Speaker 1: the culture war. But the Albanezy government are concerned with 225 00:13:40,295 --> 00:13:42,495 Speaker 1: winning elections. I think it's safe to say they know 226 00:13:42,535 --> 00:13:44,574 Speaker 1: we're still a couple of years away at this point 227 00:13:44,615 --> 00:13:46,655 Speaker 1: from the next federal election. But to moves like this 228 00:13:46,895 --> 00:13:50,335 Speaker 1: really start to shore up maybe another guaranteed win when 229 00:13:50,375 --> 00:13:51,535 Speaker 1: we head back to the polls. 230 00:13:52,295 --> 00:13:54,855 Speaker 5: On the numbers, the Labor Party has won the next 231 00:13:54,855 --> 00:13:58,895 Speaker 5: election already. It is virtually impossible for the coalition to 232 00:13:58,975 --> 00:14:01,454 Speaker 5: win the thirty three seats or so they would need 233 00:14:01,495 --> 00:14:05,135 Speaker 5: to win the election. Things like this definitely, you can 234 00:14:05,495 --> 00:14:08,895 Speaker 5: you almost say right now November twenty twenty five, Labor 235 00:14:08,935 --> 00:14:10,295 Speaker 5: has won the next election. 236 00:14:10,775 --> 00:14:13,495 Speaker 6: The issue for Labor isn't the coalition anymore. 237 00:14:13,695 --> 00:14:16,735 Speaker 5: The issue for Labor is for people who are disappointed 238 00:14:16,815 --> 00:14:19,775 Speaker 5: with what they're doing with their huge majority and with 239 00:14:19,855 --> 00:14:22,855 Speaker 5: their mandate. And even when the swing was going to 240 00:14:22,975 --> 00:14:26,655 Speaker 5: Labor at the most recent election, they were still in 241 00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:30,895 Speaker 5: trouble in places like Fremantle in Being and in Franklin 242 00:14:31,015 --> 00:14:34,695 Speaker 5: in Tasmania because people wanted them to go further, be 243 00:14:34,895 --> 00:14:37,935 Speaker 5: more progressive when it came to climate and some other 244 00:14:37,975 --> 00:14:41,095 Speaker 5: policies than what they're doing. So the issue for labor 245 00:14:41,135 --> 00:14:45,015 Speaker 5: now is whether they are fulfilling those needs and whether 246 00:14:45,095 --> 00:14:49,135 Speaker 5: they see what the Coalition saw in twenty twenty two, 247 00:14:49,495 --> 00:14:52,415 Speaker 5: where you see a bunch of independents start to take 248 00:14:52,975 --> 00:14:56,775 Speaker 5: labor seats because people feel like labor are no longer 249 00:14:56,855 --> 00:14:59,415 Speaker 5: reflecting what they want for their electorate. 250 00:15:03,655 --> 00:15:07,415 Speaker 1: Australia's frudials are facing new health crisis, and it's all 251 00:15:07,455 --> 00:15:13,975 Speaker 1: thanks to one hidden ingredient, industrial transfats. The George Institute 252 00:15:13,975 --> 00:15:16,975 Speaker 1: for Global Health says it's time to ban transfats from 253 00:15:17,015 --> 00:15:21,015 Speaker 1: our supermarket shelves entirely and class them as a hidden 254 00:15:21,055 --> 00:15:25,375 Speaker 1: heart risk. We can't ignore any longer. But hang on, 255 00:15:25,455 --> 00:15:30,175 Speaker 1: what actually are transfats? Industrial transpads are created when liquid 256 00:15:30,295 --> 00:15:34,175 Speaker 1: vegetable oils are turned into solid fats, usually by partially 257 00:15:34,255 --> 00:15:39,495 Speaker 1: hydrogenating the oil, aka adding the bubbles. They're common in cheap, 258 00:15:39,655 --> 00:15:45,255 Speaker 1: fried and ultra processed foods think margarines, cakes, biscuits, pastries, 259 00:15:45,535 --> 00:15:48,615 Speaker 1: basically all the little sweet treats we afford ourselves for 260 00:15:48,735 --> 00:15:53,055 Speaker 1: completing a hard task. Transfats extend shelf life and make 261 00:15:53,095 --> 00:15:57,055 Speaker 1: products cheaper to produce, which makes them the perfect candidate 262 00:15:57,175 --> 00:16:00,855 Speaker 1: to lunch box snack fillers. Too, but even small amounts 263 00:16:00,935 --> 00:16:04,135 Speaker 1: raise the risk of heart attack, stroke and premature death. 264 00:16:04,655 --> 00:16:08,215 Speaker 1: The George Institute analyzed more than twenty eight thousand packaged 265 00:16:08,255 --> 00:16:12,295 Speaker 1: food and drinks sold at major soupermarkets. Over four thousand 266 00:16:12,335 --> 00:16:16,295 Speaker 1: of those products contained industrial transfats, even though only a 267 00:16:16,335 --> 00:16:20,095 Speaker 1: handful actually lists them on the label. In fact, labeling 268 00:16:20,175 --> 00:16:23,695 Speaker 1: laws mean you'll rarely see partially hydrogenated oil on a 269 00:16:23,775 --> 00:16:28,095 Speaker 1: nutrition panel at all, making it almost impossible for consumers 270 00:16:28,175 --> 00:16:31,735 Speaker 1: to know what they're actually eating. Australia is far behind 271 00:16:31,775 --> 00:16:35,175 Speaker 1: other countries in that regard to The USA banned partially 272 00:16:35,255 --> 00:16:39,575 Speaker 1: hydrogenated oils in twenty fifteen, while the EU regulates tough 273 00:16:39,615 --> 00:16:42,815 Speaker 1: limits here down Under, though we rely on the food 274 00:16:42,855 --> 00:16:47,895 Speaker 1: industry to voluntarily cut back, experts warn that's not good enough. 275 00:16:47,975 --> 00:16:51,695 Speaker 1: Without clear laws, Australia risks becoming a dumping ground for 276 00:16:51,775 --> 00:16:55,655 Speaker 1: junk foods no longer allowed overseas. So what can we 277 00:16:55,655 --> 00:16:58,135 Speaker 1: do about it? And what happens if we do nothing? 278 00:16:58,775 --> 00:17:02,295 Speaker 1: Doctor Brook Hardcourt is a nutrition therapist. Brook break it 279 00:17:02,335 --> 00:17:06,015 Speaker 1: down for us what actually are transfats and where might 280 00:17:06,054 --> 00:17:06,655 Speaker 1: we find them? 281 00:17:07,254 --> 00:17:11,895 Speaker 8: Trans Fats are fats that have I guess, minimal places 282 00:17:11,935 --> 00:17:16,294 Speaker 8: for more fats to join, so they're really convoluted links 283 00:17:16,415 --> 00:17:19,215 Speaker 8: of fat molecules together and that makes them really hard 284 00:17:19,215 --> 00:17:22,774 Speaker 8: for our body to break down. Trans Fats occur naturally 285 00:17:23,574 --> 00:17:26,534 Speaker 8: in animal products, so we see them in our milk, 286 00:17:26,574 --> 00:17:29,575 Speaker 8: we see them in our meat supply. They also are 287 00:17:29,614 --> 00:17:33,934 Speaker 8: made industrially, so these are industrial trans fats or eye 288 00:17:33,935 --> 00:17:35,974 Speaker 8: trans fats. We refer to them when we look at 289 00:17:35,975 --> 00:17:39,494 Speaker 8: research papers or papers about it and what the difference 290 00:17:39,534 --> 00:17:42,494 Speaker 8: of these fats is. It's made in a lab, so 291 00:17:43,094 --> 00:17:48,574 Speaker 8: they are hydienated, so almost like bubbled, and it's to 292 00:17:48,655 --> 00:17:50,694 Speaker 8: turn what would have been a liquid oil or a 293 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:53,494 Speaker 8: liquid fat into a fat that then is a solid. 294 00:17:53,734 --> 00:17:57,294 Speaker 8: So if we think of things like margarine, fancy new 295 00:17:57,415 --> 00:18:01,054 Speaker 8: plant based products, we're seeing a lot of them coming 296 00:18:01,094 --> 00:18:01,935 Speaker 8: to this industry. 297 00:18:02,534 --> 00:18:07,134 Speaker 1: So there's been renewed calls to move industrial trans fats 298 00:18:07,375 --> 00:18:10,254 Speaker 1: from the shelf. It's not the first time, though. What 299 00:18:10,334 --> 00:18:13,415 Speaker 1: are they now concerned about the links with transpats and 300 00:18:13,455 --> 00:18:13,934 Speaker 1: our health. 301 00:18:14,734 --> 00:18:17,054 Speaker 8: Yeah, So that latest research that came out from our 302 00:18:17,094 --> 00:18:21,094 Speaker 8: friends at the George Institute looked at our food supply 303 00:18:21,175 --> 00:18:23,654 Speaker 8: system now. So the last time that they looked at 304 00:18:23,655 --> 00:18:26,175 Speaker 8: this was in two thousand and nine, and they estimated 305 00:18:26,215 --> 00:18:29,734 Speaker 8: that about one percent of our intake then came from 306 00:18:29,774 --> 00:18:33,135 Speaker 8: transpats because of our food supply system. What that new 307 00:18:33,215 --> 00:18:36,254 Speaker 8: research tells us now is from the twenty eight thousand 308 00:18:36,375 --> 00:18:39,815 Speaker 8: products that they looked at, around fifteen percent had transfats 309 00:18:40,094 --> 00:18:44,335 Speaker 8: in them that weren't declared primarily. So that's I guess 310 00:18:44,415 --> 00:18:46,494 Speaker 8: quite worrying that if they're not declared, how do we 311 00:18:46,534 --> 00:18:49,695 Speaker 8: avoid them. There's a large amount then that we're exposed 312 00:18:49,734 --> 00:18:52,134 Speaker 8: to that we weren't exposed to before, and there's no 313 00:18:52,215 --> 00:18:53,254 Speaker 8: regulation around them. 314 00:18:53,534 --> 00:18:55,975 Speaker 1: Is the fact that we don't have to disclose when 315 00:18:56,014 --> 00:18:59,414 Speaker 1: something contains trans fats or those industrial trans fats on 316 00:18:59,455 --> 00:19:01,975 Speaker 1: the side of a box or packaging for food. Is 317 00:19:02,014 --> 00:19:02,655 Speaker 1: that a concern. 318 00:19:02,854 --> 00:19:04,855 Speaker 8: It is a big concern because it means that we're 319 00:19:04,854 --> 00:19:07,694 Speaker 8: consuming more than we've probably assumed that we are. As 320 00:19:07,734 --> 00:19:11,415 Speaker 8: a pediatric dietitian, I see children coming in with disordered 321 00:19:11,695 --> 00:19:15,174 Speaker 8: cholesterol and tregelythorid blood levels already, and that will be 322 00:19:15,175 --> 00:19:18,494 Speaker 8: because of increased exposure to transpats through the supply system. 323 00:19:18,774 --> 00:19:21,094 Speaker 8: Parents might have thought they were doing really good things 324 00:19:21,215 --> 00:19:23,814 Speaker 8: looking on sides of packages, looking for saturated fats and 325 00:19:23,854 --> 00:19:26,774 Speaker 8: percentage of those, we don't know which of those has 326 00:19:26,814 --> 00:19:29,935 Speaker 8: come from those industrialized transpats and which ones is transfats 327 00:19:29,975 --> 00:19:32,975 Speaker 8: in general, so our health is a nation will be 328 00:19:33,014 --> 00:19:35,654 Speaker 8: affected because of the food supply system. 329 00:19:35,935 --> 00:19:38,254 Speaker 1: I imagine these things pop up in like a lot 330 00:19:38,254 --> 00:19:41,094 Speaker 1: of different types of foods. But I'm wondering about kids 331 00:19:41,135 --> 00:19:44,574 Speaker 1: in particular, because that's your area of expertise. A lot 332 00:19:44,614 --> 00:19:46,774 Speaker 1: of kids snacks, things that we pop in the lunch 333 00:19:46,814 --> 00:19:50,014 Speaker 1: box must be a prime target. Are you worried about 334 00:19:50,175 --> 00:19:53,254 Speaker 1: an elevated risk of any sort of heart disease or 335 00:19:53,734 --> 00:19:56,614 Speaker 1: risks associated with that is concerning, but let alone in 336 00:19:56,655 --> 00:19:57,494 Speaker 1: our young folks. 337 00:19:58,014 --> 00:20:03,174 Speaker 8: Yeah, so disordered or changes in cholesterol levels in the blood. 338 00:20:03,375 --> 00:20:06,455 Speaker 8: The earlier that that starts to occur, the greater risk 339 00:20:06,574 --> 00:20:10,175 Speaker 8: of later on in life developing a cardiovathcular disease or 340 00:20:10,294 --> 00:20:15,415 Speaker 8: metabolic disease associated with those occurs. In terms of what 341 00:20:15,494 --> 00:20:18,734 Speaker 8: products they're in, Unfortunately, the research didn't list which ones 342 00:20:18,734 --> 00:20:20,935 Speaker 8: that they looked at and where we were most going 343 00:20:20,975 --> 00:20:25,774 Speaker 8: to find them. More so that it was products that 344 00:20:25,814 --> 00:20:29,014 Speaker 8: will be containing those margarines or animal facts, and we 345 00:20:29,175 --> 00:20:32,254 Speaker 8: know that that'll be like biscuits. We know that it'll 346 00:20:32,254 --> 00:20:36,854 Speaker 8: be baked products that quite commonly used in products that 347 00:20:36,935 --> 00:20:39,215 Speaker 8: come from overseas and more likely to have them in 348 00:20:39,494 --> 00:20:43,774 Speaker 8: as well than necessarily Australian made products, So that might 349 00:20:43,814 --> 00:20:45,935 Speaker 8: help us avoid some of those on the shelf too. 350 00:20:46,455 --> 00:20:49,815 Speaker 1: You mentioned there a couple of good little pearls of wisdom. 351 00:20:49,895 --> 00:20:52,374 Speaker 1: So what other advice would you suggest for shoppers to 352 00:20:52,734 --> 00:20:55,254 Speaker 1: keep an eye out for when they're doing the weekly 353 00:20:55,294 --> 00:20:57,094 Speaker 1: food shop. If it's not going to be labeled on 354 00:20:57,175 --> 00:20:59,734 Speaker 1: the package, are there some broader sort of terms we 355 00:20:59,734 --> 00:21:02,774 Speaker 1: should be looking for or foods we should maybe be 356 00:21:02,814 --> 00:21:04,374 Speaker 1: avoiding or thinking twice about. 357 00:21:04,614 --> 00:21:07,455 Speaker 8: Yeah, so they're being hereidden in under the labeling of 358 00:21:07,494 --> 00:21:11,175 Speaker 8: saturated fats. So on a nutrition information panel or a 359 00:21:11,215 --> 00:21:14,094 Speaker 8: knit panel as we call it, we can have a 360 00:21:14,135 --> 00:21:16,975 Speaker 8: look at the breakdown of the fats that we find 361 00:21:17,054 --> 00:21:21,534 Speaker 8: within those foods. Interestingly, they only have to label those 362 00:21:21,574 --> 00:21:23,734 Speaker 8: if they're making claims about how much fat may or 363 00:21:23,774 --> 00:21:26,215 Speaker 8: may not be in them, But we can definitely have 364 00:21:26,254 --> 00:21:29,094 Speaker 8: a look for the overall fat content within foods and 365 00:21:29,135 --> 00:21:33,695 Speaker 8: trying to find the lower products across those ranges. Again, 366 00:21:33,935 --> 00:21:37,294 Speaker 8: it'll be everything in moderation, so we're definitely not trying 367 00:21:37,334 --> 00:21:40,294 Speaker 8: to demonize lunch boxes, but just make a conscious effort 368 00:21:40,375 --> 00:21:42,574 Speaker 8: of how much we're putting in from those different food 369 00:21:42,574 --> 00:21:45,734 Speaker 8: groups and of course balancing them in with foods that 370 00:21:45,935 --> 00:21:48,695 Speaker 8: help tackle fats in our body. And some of those 371 00:21:48,695 --> 00:21:51,135 Speaker 8: are really high fiber foods. So we know that high 372 00:21:51,135 --> 00:21:54,774 Speaker 8: fiber fruits and vegetables or whole grain breads and things 373 00:21:54,975 --> 00:21:57,215 Speaker 8: actually grab onto fats and they take them out of 374 00:21:57,254 --> 00:21:59,774 Speaker 8: the body through the food system as well, so we 375 00:21:59,854 --> 00:22:03,615 Speaker 8: can do some active ways of tackling this already. 376 00:22:04,814 --> 00:22:07,334 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking time to feed your mind with us today. 377 00:22:07,375 --> 00:22:10,654 Speaker 1: The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano, Ilaria Brophy 378 00:22:10,774 --> 00:22:14,135 Speaker 1: and Tarlie Blackman, with audio production by lou Hill. 379 00:22:17,935 --> 00:22:21,055 Speaker 3: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 380 00:22:21,054 --> 00:22:22,734 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on.