1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:15,265 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,345 --> 00:00:18,385 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,465 --> 00:00:21,865 Speaker 1: is recorded on Hey you bees, Lee Here, I'm back 4 00:00:21,905 --> 00:00:24,745 Speaker 1: in your feeds for another weekend drop of Nothing to Wear, 5 00:00:25,105 --> 00:00:28,545 Speaker 1: the fashion podcast I also host. This episode is all 6 00:00:28,545 --> 00:00:31,745 Speaker 1: about the seven Deadly shopping Sins. I thought you might 7 00:00:31,785 --> 00:00:34,425 Speaker 1: find it helpful as we move into the holiday season 8 00:00:34,625 --> 00:00:38,265 Speaker 1: and gifting is on everyone's minds. This episode is here 9 00:00:38,265 --> 00:00:40,785 Speaker 1: to help you shop smarter and save money, so I 10 00:00:40,825 --> 00:00:41,545 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy. 11 00:00:43,545 --> 00:00:46,385 Speaker 2: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously diserved 12 00:00:46,505 --> 00:00:48,905 Speaker 2: laurels for spring groundbreaking? 13 00:00:49,145 --> 00:00:50,105 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you. 14 00:00:50,185 --> 00:00:52,225 Speaker 2: Have to do it. You lived for fashion. 15 00:00:53,665 --> 00:00:56,945 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome for Nothing to Wear. The podcast solves 16 00:00:56,985 --> 00:01:00,825 Speaker 1: fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 17 00:01:00,905 --> 00:01:03,465 Speaker 1: and every week I talk to an expert who is 18 00:01:03,545 --> 00:01:05,545 Speaker 1: going to help us work out how to get more 19 00:01:05,625 --> 00:01:07,585 Speaker 1: out of the clothes we already own and tell us 20 00:01:07,665 --> 00:01:11,665 Speaker 1: exactly what is and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, 21 00:01:11,705 --> 00:01:15,825 Speaker 1: if you could see inside my wardrobe, you'd see ten chambraciers, 22 00:01:16,105 --> 00:01:20,705 Speaker 1: probably fifteen trench coats, and way too much denim. I 23 00:01:20,785 --> 00:01:24,185 Speaker 1: absolutely love shopping. That's why I host this podcast, But 24 00:01:24,345 --> 00:01:27,425 Speaker 1: sometimes I do find myself a bit overwhelmed with what 25 00:01:27,545 --> 00:01:30,185 Speaker 1: to wear in the mornings. Maybe you're the same because 26 00:01:30,185 --> 00:01:33,185 Speaker 1: regardless of how many items you own, putting an outfit 27 00:01:33,225 --> 00:01:36,105 Speaker 1: together can be tricky. Well, it turns out I have 28 00:01:36,265 --> 00:01:40,145 Speaker 1: committed some shopping sins. Now this isn't my phrase, it's 29 00:01:40,185 --> 00:01:43,705 Speaker 1: the phrase of today's guest. Kim Crowley is a stylist, 30 00:01:43,905 --> 00:01:48,105 Speaker 1: color expert, and former fashion designer based in Sydney. After 31 00:01:48,225 --> 00:01:51,105 Speaker 1: years of working with her clients, taking them shopping, styling 32 00:01:51,145 --> 00:01:53,625 Speaker 1: them going through their wardrobe, she has come up with 33 00:01:53,665 --> 00:01:56,425 Speaker 1: what she calls the seven Deadly shopping sins, and they 34 00:01:56,505 --> 00:02:01,065 Speaker 1: help us shop smarter and save money. Kim, Welcome to 35 00:02:01,105 --> 00:02:04,225 Speaker 1: the show. So you're here today to warn us about 36 00:02:04,225 --> 00:02:10,225 Speaker 1: the seven deadly fashion sins. That sounds very dramatic mistakes 37 00:02:10,345 --> 00:02:13,345 Speaker 1: women or men might be making when they're shopping and 38 00:02:13,425 --> 00:02:16,785 Speaker 1: trying to get dressed. How did you narrow it down 39 00:02:16,825 --> 00:02:18,505 Speaker 1: to just seven? Was it easy? Was it hard? 40 00:02:18,665 --> 00:02:18,825 Speaker 3: All? 41 00:02:18,865 --> 00:02:21,065 Speaker 2: That's good question. Actually, yeah, it was quite hard to 42 00:02:21,145 --> 00:02:24,385 Speaker 2: narrow it down. But they're kind of all interactive really, 43 00:02:24,425 --> 00:02:27,305 Speaker 2: So although I've done seven deadly shopping sins for you. 44 00:02:27,785 --> 00:02:29,825 Speaker 2: They all kind of lean on each other late, And 45 00:02:29,865 --> 00:02:31,505 Speaker 2: that's why we need to talk about it, because I 46 00:02:31,505 --> 00:02:33,585 Speaker 2: think it's so interesting. We think we should be good 47 00:02:33,585 --> 00:02:35,705 Speaker 2: at shopping, and we go out and we're like, oh 48 00:02:35,745 --> 00:02:37,905 Speaker 2: my god, I get overwhelmed, and we come back depressed 49 00:02:37,905 --> 00:02:41,185 Speaker 2: with nothing. We're in the fitting room. It's overwhelming. It's intimidating. 50 00:02:41,305 --> 00:02:44,905 Speaker 1: Yes, So there's the difference between good at spending money 51 00:02:45,105 --> 00:02:47,545 Speaker 1: and good at shopping. And I've had. 52 00:02:47,385 --> 00:02:51,585 Speaker 2: Periods of both, absolutely, because everyone can buy stuff. Yeah, 53 00:02:52,145 --> 00:02:55,105 Speaker 2: but no one needs more stuff. Yes, what we need 54 00:02:55,705 --> 00:02:58,465 Speaker 2: is versatile, flattering outfits you can dress up and down 55 00:02:58,585 --> 00:03:00,905 Speaker 2: that suit your life, Yes, but they also suit the 56 00:03:00,905 --> 00:03:03,185 Speaker 2: woman you want to be. Yeah, that's where the skill 57 00:03:03,225 --> 00:03:03,545 Speaker 2: comes in. 58 00:03:03,625 --> 00:03:06,145 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, let's get started. The first one you have 59 00:03:06,225 --> 00:03:08,265 Speaker 1: given me, and we haven't discussed these prior. I'm just 60 00:03:08,305 --> 00:03:09,865 Speaker 1: looking at the list and you're going to film in 61 00:03:10,665 --> 00:03:13,105 Speaker 1: buying items, not outfits. 62 00:03:13,225 --> 00:03:15,585 Speaker 2: Yes, buy in an outfit. I was guilty of this 63 00:03:15,625 --> 00:03:17,785 Speaker 2: even when I was designing. I was still buying items 64 00:03:17,905 --> 00:03:20,905 Speaker 2: and I come home and those four pieces that I'd bought, 65 00:03:20,945 --> 00:03:23,545 Speaker 2: those items didn't outfit together. Okay, So I spent five 66 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:26,105 Speaker 2: hundred Bucks, and I have got no outfit, so I'd 67 00:03:26,145 --> 00:03:28,145 Speaker 2: have to go back out shopping, right, So we have 68 00:03:28,225 --> 00:03:31,145 Speaker 2: to think about buying in outfits. It's the biggest game 69 00:03:31,265 --> 00:03:35,705 Speaker 2: changer you can make when you purchase. Think in full outfits. 70 00:03:36,105 --> 00:03:38,145 Speaker 2: So my advice is don't walk out of the shop 71 00:03:38,425 --> 00:03:40,625 Speaker 2: if you've only got an item. Stay in the shop 72 00:03:41,545 --> 00:03:44,185 Speaker 2: and say to them what goes with this and lean 73 00:03:44,225 --> 00:03:46,185 Speaker 2: on them because when I was designing, basically that's how 74 00:03:46,185 --> 00:03:50,945 Speaker 2: we design. We design in outfits. Yes, buy fit exactly. 75 00:03:50,825 --> 00:03:52,705 Speaker 1: Or you know not everyone has the funds or the 76 00:03:52,785 --> 00:03:54,665 Speaker 1: need for a full look. But say you've gone out 77 00:03:54,665 --> 00:03:56,745 Speaker 1: with the girls, you've got some jeans, you need the top, 78 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:57,905 Speaker 1: you take the Janes with you? 79 00:03:58,065 --> 00:04:00,865 Speaker 2: Yes, ok, try them on with it absolutely, because when 80 00:04:00,865 --> 00:04:02,865 Speaker 2: we think, oh, this should look good with the genes, 81 00:04:03,105 --> 00:04:04,905 Speaker 2: sometimes the genes are a bit too low and the 82 00:04:04,945 --> 00:04:06,825 Speaker 2: top is high and we're I'm not happy, shure I 83 00:04:06,865 --> 00:04:09,865 Speaker 2: my middrift at this particular event. So we will to 84 00:04:09,865 --> 00:04:12,865 Speaker 2: make sure that the two connect. So rather than leaving 85 00:04:12,905 --> 00:04:15,105 Speaker 2: it to chance, so much of actually what we want 86 00:04:15,145 --> 00:04:17,945 Speaker 2: to do is edit whilst we're in the shop so 87 00:04:17,985 --> 00:04:20,265 Speaker 2: that when we go home, so much of that is 88 00:04:20,305 --> 00:04:22,785 Speaker 2: all done for you and it becomes so so much easier. 89 00:04:23,185 --> 00:04:24,665 Speaker 2: But even with the dress, I still want you to 90 00:04:24,665 --> 00:04:26,105 Speaker 2: think about the outfit because I want you to think 91 00:04:26,105 --> 00:04:28,585 Speaker 2: about the shoe totally. Will my little boot work with 92 00:04:28,625 --> 00:04:29,105 Speaker 2: this dress? 93 00:04:29,545 --> 00:04:31,505 Speaker 1: Will cut me off at the end? Call if that's 94 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:32,825 Speaker 1: what I'm worried about exactly? 95 00:04:33,185 --> 00:04:35,585 Speaker 2: Or will my little leather jacket that I'm living in 96 00:04:35,665 --> 00:04:37,745 Speaker 2: will that work with this dress? So think about the 97 00:04:37,785 --> 00:04:38,945 Speaker 2: full outfit. 98 00:04:38,985 --> 00:04:41,105 Speaker 1: How are you're going to leave the house? Okay? And 99 00:04:41,145 --> 00:04:42,665 Speaker 1: I guess if you don't want to just shop all 100 00:04:42,665 --> 00:04:44,665 Speaker 1: in one shop, I've done this before. You can go 101 00:04:44,705 --> 00:04:46,705 Speaker 1: to the shopping center and say, look, I think I 102 00:04:46,705 --> 00:04:48,145 Speaker 1: really love that top. Can you just hold that for 103 00:04:48,225 --> 00:04:50,865 Speaker 1: me for half an hour? Shop around, check out all 104 00:04:50,905 --> 00:04:53,345 Speaker 1: the gray tops if that's what you're looking for, and 105 00:04:53,345 --> 00:04:55,665 Speaker 1: then go back and buy the right one. Absolutely your 106 00:04:55,745 --> 00:04:59,945 Speaker 1: second shopping clothing sin buying clothes that are too big, 107 00:05:00,425 --> 00:05:03,385 Speaker 1: particularly when buying online, and then not returning them. Oh 108 00:05:03,385 --> 00:05:07,145 Speaker 1: my gosh, my sin. Pile of shame at the back 109 00:05:07,145 --> 00:05:08,025 Speaker 1: of my wardrobe. 110 00:05:08,145 --> 00:05:10,345 Speaker 2: We all do it. When this is not to shame people, 111 00:05:10,385 --> 00:05:12,705 Speaker 2: it's just to make you think about it. Because the 112 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:14,865 Speaker 2: trouble is when we're buying clothes, it are too big, right. 113 00:05:14,865 --> 00:05:17,185 Speaker 2: It kind of works in two ways. We often buy 114 00:05:17,545 --> 00:05:19,865 Speaker 2: what we think our size is in a number rights. 115 00:05:19,905 --> 00:05:21,785 Speaker 2: We're like, right, I am a size fourteen, I'm gonna 116 00:05:21,785 --> 00:05:24,065 Speaker 2: go and buy size forllteen. But the trouble size fourteens 117 00:05:24,065 --> 00:05:29,665 Speaker 2: will so considerably throughout different stores, right, and more and more. 118 00:05:29,705 --> 00:05:31,825 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but in vanity sizing, you 119 00:05:31,865 --> 00:05:34,145 Speaker 2: know when they're actually making it bigger than it is. Yes, 120 00:05:34,545 --> 00:05:36,905 Speaker 2: that's gone to a whole another level. It's ridiculous, isn't it. 121 00:05:36,945 --> 00:05:38,625 Speaker 1: Like some of the and this is not to shame them, 122 00:05:38,625 --> 00:05:40,465 Speaker 1: but the some of the witcheries in the country roads. 123 00:05:40,505 --> 00:05:42,705 Speaker 1: I can't shop online anymore because I do get it 124 00:05:42,705 --> 00:05:44,305 Speaker 1: and it's too big, and it's like, I don't really 125 00:05:44,345 --> 00:05:45,185 Speaker 1: care what the numbers is. 126 00:05:45,185 --> 00:05:47,225 Speaker 2: I just want it to fit me exactly. We don't 127 00:05:47,265 --> 00:05:49,105 Speaker 2: care what the number is. Right, So never be put 128 00:05:49,145 --> 00:05:52,705 Speaker 2: off or be put on buying a garment because of 129 00:05:52,745 --> 00:05:55,705 Speaker 2: a number label. Always think of yourself as a size range. Right. 130 00:05:55,905 --> 00:05:57,705 Speaker 2: So the way we fix this is that we take 131 00:05:57,825 --> 00:06:00,545 Speaker 2: two garments into the fitting room, the size you think 132 00:06:00,585 --> 00:06:05,665 Speaker 2: you are, and one size smaller and most generally smaller. 133 00:06:05,665 --> 00:06:07,785 Speaker 1: Because women tend to think think they're. 134 00:06:07,585 --> 00:06:10,625 Speaker 2: Bigger than they are, and that's part of the problem. 135 00:06:10,905 --> 00:06:13,345 Speaker 2: We are often wearing clothes are too big for us, 136 00:06:13,345 --> 00:06:16,705 Speaker 2: and it's fascinating the garments we rotate all the time 137 00:06:16,785 --> 00:06:19,145 Speaker 2: and we throw in our body, right, because once they're 138 00:06:19,185 --> 00:06:21,145 Speaker 2: too big, you can't throw them on your body with 139 00:06:21,185 --> 00:06:24,145 Speaker 2: any bottom. The tops too big. If you've got that bigger, 140 00:06:24,145 --> 00:06:25,945 Speaker 2: oversized silhouet on top, you're really are going to wear 141 00:06:25,945 --> 00:06:28,065 Speaker 2: a slimmer on the bottom. But the other size of 142 00:06:28,185 --> 00:06:31,985 Speaker 2: buying clothes that are too big, I call the size spiral. Okay, 143 00:06:32,025 --> 00:06:34,705 Speaker 2: and I've seen this so much more due to COVID. 144 00:06:34,945 --> 00:06:36,505 Speaker 2: So we've put on a little weight during. 145 00:06:36,265 --> 00:06:39,585 Speaker 1: COVID, perimenopausal, you've just had a baby, whatever. 146 00:06:39,425 --> 00:06:42,545 Speaker 2: Absolutely, so so many reasons, right, but it's how we feel. 147 00:06:43,345 --> 00:06:45,145 Speaker 2: So we wear looser clothes because we think, oh, we've 148 00:06:45,145 --> 00:06:46,745 Speaker 2: put on a little bit of weight. So then we 149 00:06:46,785 --> 00:06:48,465 Speaker 2: look in the mirror and then we see ourselves in 150 00:06:48,465 --> 00:06:51,305 Speaker 2: bigger clothes, which confirms that we've put on bit of weight, 151 00:06:51,345 --> 00:06:54,105 Speaker 2: because it's like a self fulfilling prophecy, right, So then 152 00:06:54,145 --> 00:06:56,465 Speaker 2: we go to store and then we buy a bigger 153 00:06:56,505 --> 00:06:58,705 Speaker 2: size because we're scared that we've put on weight and 154 00:06:58,705 --> 00:06:59,425 Speaker 2: we need bigger clothes. 155 00:06:59,505 --> 00:07:01,625 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we want to kind of hide exactly. 156 00:07:01,625 --> 00:07:04,505 Speaker 2: And then we hide and we actually lose all sight 157 00:07:04,625 --> 00:07:07,385 Speaker 2: of what size we are, and we forget our little 158 00:07:07,385 --> 00:07:09,505 Speaker 2: actual body is in here, and we just keep buying 159 00:07:09,545 --> 00:07:11,745 Speaker 2: bigger and bigger, and it is a self fulfilling prossy. 160 00:07:11,785 --> 00:07:13,425 Speaker 2: You look at yourself. Oh, I'm definitely got bigger. 161 00:07:13,545 --> 00:07:15,585 Speaker 1: It's more about don't worry about the number. Just make 162 00:07:15,585 --> 00:07:17,625 Speaker 1: sure you feel good in it. If it's too comfortably, 163 00:07:17,665 --> 00:07:20,025 Speaker 1: not too big, not too tight, just take away the number. 164 00:07:20,065 --> 00:07:24,065 Speaker 1: It's outful. Obviously, start somewhere, yes, but then forget about it. 165 00:07:24,105 --> 00:07:26,865 Speaker 2: Absolutely. It has to be the garment that fits you 166 00:07:27,865 --> 00:07:29,145 Speaker 2: in the way that you. 167 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:31,665 Speaker 1: Want, correct you say, particularly when buying online and then 168 00:07:31,705 --> 00:07:33,905 Speaker 1: not returning them. So how do we avoid that? 169 00:07:34,305 --> 00:07:36,385 Speaker 2: The time we take for shopping. We think it's about 170 00:07:36,385 --> 00:07:39,345 Speaker 2: bringing garments into our wardrobe, but we have to allocate 171 00:07:39,385 --> 00:07:42,225 Speaker 2: some time to take things back. Whenever I buy anything, 172 00:07:42,665 --> 00:07:44,985 Speaker 2: it's almost like it's on loan, right, I'm borrowing it 173 00:07:45,025 --> 00:07:46,825 Speaker 2: for the moment. I'm going to work it out in 174 00:07:46,865 --> 00:07:48,865 Speaker 2: my wardrobe as long as it's got three or five. 175 00:07:48,945 --> 00:07:51,345 Speaker 2: And often I'm pushing it even more outfits to go with. 176 00:07:52,145 --> 00:07:53,385 Speaker 2: Then I'm keeping it. 177 00:07:53,665 --> 00:07:56,785 Speaker 1: Otherwise it's going back, going back on loan. That's a 178 00:07:56,985 --> 00:07:58,225 Speaker 1: really cool way to think about. 179 00:07:58,505 --> 00:08:00,785 Speaker 2: Think about it like that. Don't commit to it, fully, 180 00:08:01,385 --> 00:08:04,025 Speaker 2: test it out, try it out and workshop it, and 181 00:08:04,065 --> 00:08:05,705 Speaker 2: if you love it, keep it. But if you don't, 182 00:08:05,745 --> 00:08:07,345 Speaker 2: you have to have the time to go back. 183 00:08:07,825 --> 00:08:10,265 Speaker 1: Oh dear. The number three is just I think you 184 00:08:10,305 --> 00:08:14,065 Speaker 1: should just call it lee. It says buying emotionally when 185 00:08:14,105 --> 00:08:15,985 Speaker 1: you need to shop strategically. 186 00:08:16,145 --> 00:08:21,745 Speaker 2: Yes, shopping strategically. I cannot tell you how much of 187 00:08:21,785 --> 00:08:23,625 Speaker 2: a game changer this is. Right, So you have a 188 00:08:23,665 --> 00:08:25,785 Speaker 2: little list and you stick to it, and you create 189 00:08:25,785 --> 00:08:28,025 Speaker 2: that list by workshopping in your wardrobe. You play with 190 00:08:28,065 --> 00:08:29,865 Speaker 2: a few things and you think to yourself, right, I 191 00:08:29,905 --> 00:08:32,065 Speaker 2: need a coat that is maybe warm and is going 192 00:08:32,105 --> 00:08:34,145 Speaker 2: to cover my bottom. So don't come back with another 193 00:08:34,185 --> 00:08:38,145 Speaker 2: crop biker jacket. Right, We've got to satisfy those things. 194 00:08:38,465 --> 00:08:41,185 Speaker 2: All we're doing when we're shopping it is problem solving. Yes, okay, 195 00:08:41,425 --> 00:08:42,625 Speaker 2: so stick to your list. 196 00:08:42,785 --> 00:08:45,585 Speaker 1: Well if we're being strategic, But for me, I shop emotionally, 197 00:08:45,625 --> 00:08:48,345 Speaker 1: so it's when I'm getting my period or I you know, 198 00:08:48,425 --> 00:08:49,905 Speaker 1: got good news at work or I got bad news 199 00:08:49,945 --> 00:08:51,545 Speaker 1: at work, or I'm happy or I'm sad. 200 00:08:51,625 --> 00:08:52,625 Speaker 2: But you're right. 201 00:08:52,705 --> 00:08:55,625 Speaker 1: That's when I'm not thinking clearly and end up with 202 00:08:55,705 --> 00:08:58,505 Speaker 1: stuff that's not outfits exactly. 203 00:08:58,145 --> 00:09:00,225 Speaker 2: And things that you're only going to wear very little. 204 00:09:00,265 --> 00:09:03,345 Speaker 2: And I really want you to buy strategically, because although 205 00:09:03,345 --> 00:09:05,585 Speaker 2: when I tell people, you know, we're going to shop strategically, 206 00:09:05,585 --> 00:09:08,345 Speaker 2: it doesn't sound very sexy. Yeah, the things you come 207 00:09:08,465 --> 00:09:11,265 Speaker 2: out with and take home, oh my god, so much 208 00:09:11,265 --> 00:09:12,585 Speaker 2: more exciting and sexy. 209 00:09:12,305 --> 00:09:14,665 Speaker 1: Because then it solves the problem and that brings you joy. 210 00:09:14,745 --> 00:09:17,225 Speaker 1: So it's less about the shopping bringing joy and more 211 00:09:17,265 --> 00:09:20,185 Speaker 1: about the wardrobinging joy when you put it all together, 212 00:09:20,305 --> 00:09:23,825 Speaker 1: I just had a light bulb moment because I love shopping. 213 00:09:24,025 --> 00:09:27,025 Speaker 1: That's that dopamine something new. But it's not always a 214 00:09:27,105 --> 00:09:31,265 Speaker 1: joy getting dressed because I haven't been strategic correctly egg exactly. 215 00:09:31,345 --> 00:09:33,065 Speaker 2: You just have to be good at editingly. That's all 216 00:09:33,105 --> 00:09:33,625 Speaker 2: you have to be. 217 00:09:33,745 --> 00:09:46,865 Speaker 1: Can you do this for a living? The next one 218 00:09:47,105 --> 00:09:49,545 Speaker 1: buying things you like but they don't like you. 219 00:09:49,865 --> 00:09:51,865 Speaker 2: There's a few ways. I see. There's something all the 220 00:09:51,865 --> 00:09:54,985 Speaker 2: time in people's wardrobes, So buying for your kind of 221 00:09:54,985 --> 00:09:57,345 Speaker 2: alter ego, if you like, not your reality. So you know, 222 00:09:57,385 --> 00:09:59,945 Speaker 2: when we see a celebrity and they've got heels on 223 00:09:59,985 --> 00:10:02,065 Speaker 2: and Instagram and we've got Pinterest board full of like 224 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:06,265 Speaker 2: sixty outfits and forty five of them have got heels on, Like, right, 225 00:10:06,465 --> 00:10:08,385 Speaker 2: that's the look I want. But the reality is we're 226 00:10:08,385 --> 00:10:10,705 Speaker 2: not wearing heels the same way as used to, particularly 227 00:10:10,705 --> 00:10:12,665 Speaker 2: post COVID. But also just a lot of us have 228 00:10:12,705 --> 00:10:15,705 Speaker 2: grown up with really bad feet and so it's a 229 00:10:15,825 --> 00:10:16,425 Speaker 2: huge problem. 230 00:10:16,465 --> 00:10:19,385 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, five ten years ago, there 231 00:10:19,505 --> 00:10:21,785 Speaker 1: wasn't super stylish flats. It was like, oh, you're just 232 00:10:21,785 --> 00:10:24,825 Speaker 1: wearing flats. And now look, I'm in a kitten heell. 233 00:10:24,865 --> 00:10:26,905 Speaker 1: But this is as high as I go today. For me, 234 00:10:26,985 --> 00:10:28,665 Speaker 1: that's like a nightclubbing still at Oh and it's a 235 00:10:28,705 --> 00:10:29,425 Speaker 1: tiny kitten heill. 236 00:10:29,665 --> 00:10:32,265 Speaker 2: But loafers. I mean, there's so many different flat shoes 237 00:10:32,305 --> 00:10:35,505 Speaker 2: which are available now, But it's like the real world. 238 00:10:35,585 --> 00:10:37,865 Speaker 2: Real women are generally running for a bus or a 239 00:10:38,025 --> 00:10:39,865 Speaker 2: jumping on a train or something. 240 00:10:39,905 --> 00:10:42,145 Speaker 1: Yeah, running after kids, yeah exactly. 241 00:10:41,825 --> 00:10:43,585 Speaker 2: And we're not going to teach around in something like 242 00:10:43,625 --> 00:10:46,185 Speaker 2: a heel. So they're beautiful to look at, but our 243 00:10:46,225 --> 00:10:48,705 Speaker 2: feet don't really kind of like them. And it's the 244 00:10:48,705 --> 00:10:50,825 Speaker 2: same with the influencer culture as well. We see these 245 00:10:50,825 --> 00:10:53,745 Speaker 2: influences in maybe you know a beautiful bright redress, or 246 00:10:53,745 --> 00:10:56,025 Speaker 2: it could be a best friend bright red dress. Oh 247 00:10:56,065 --> 00:10:57,865 Speaker 2: my god, she looks amazing. Where did you get it from? 248 00:10:57,985 --> 00:10:59,145 Speaker 2: Very next day you get up and you go and 249 00:10:59,185 --> 00:11:01,265 Speaker 2: buy that bright red dress. But that bright red color 250 00:11:01,345 --> 00:11:04,225 Speaker 2: might be too overwhelming for you, and the proportions of 251 00:11:04,225 --> 00:11:06,465 Speaker 2: it might not suit you as a petite. So you've 252 00:11:06,465 --> 00:11:10,025 Speaker 2: got to find your version of it, like you as 253 00:11:10,065 --> 00:11:11,225 Speaker 2: much as you like it. 254 00:11:11,185 --> 00:11:13,305 Speaker 1: Wow, and then you like wearing it because if you 255 00:11:13,345 --> 00:11:16,145 Speaker 1: don't reach for it exactly. Yeah. The shoe analogy is 256 00:11:16,185 --> 00:11:17,785 Speaker 1: good for me because I've got a bunch of shoes 257 00:11:17,785 --> 00:11:21,185 Speaker 1: I love to look at I'd love to wear if 258 00:11:21,225 --> 00:11:23,745 Speaker 1: I didn't, but then I just got off if we 259 00:11:23,785 --> 00:11:25,865 Speaker 1: didn't war time, Well yeah, I'm like, oh, next time, 260 00:11:25,905 --> 00:11:27,345 Speaker 1: because I always go for comfort. 261 00:11:27,465 --> 00:11:28,505 Speaker 2: Yeah. So exactly. 262 00:11:28,585 --> 00:11:31,625 Speaker 1: You and the artem need to like each other exactly, exactly. 263 00:11:31,905 --> 00:11:34,345 Speaker 1: So good, Okay, I've got another one. I'm not great, 264 00:11:34,585 --> 00:11:35,585 Speaker 1: but I'm getting better at this. 265 00:11:35,705 --> 00:11:35,985 Speaker 2: Okay. 266 00:11:35,985 --> 00:11:39,425 Speaker 1: Good buying on sale, because nothing is a bargain if 267 00:11:39,465 --> 00:11:43,265 Speaker 1: you don't wear it, tell me about sale shopping. 268 00:11:43,425 --> 00:11:46,425 Speaker 2: So so many clients, and again I'm not shaming them. 269 00:11:46,465 --> 00:11:49,065 Speaker 2: I used to do exactly this too, Right, sell garments 270 00:11:49,105 --> 00:11:51,105 Speaker 2: that are in our wardrobe, but we don't love them. 271 00:11:51,185 --> 00:11:54,185 Speaker 2: So we've got to calculate our purchases by cost per wear. 272 00:11:54,225 --> 00:11:57,065 Speaker 2: It's the only way to do goirl math. Okay, Right, 273 00:11:57,505 --> 00:11:59,785 Speaker 2: So sea Top costs you thirty bucks in the sale 274 00:11:59,825 --> 00:12:02,425 Speaker 2: and you only wear it twice, it's fifteen dollars per week. 275 00:12:02,465 --> 00:12:05,465 Speaker 2: So to me, that's an expensive purchase. Yeah, Whereas if 276 00:12:05,505 --> 00:12:07,985 Speaker 2: you purchase for one hundred dollars and wear it weekly 277 00:12:08,065 --> 00:12:12,105 Speaker 2: for three months, that's run eight dollars were nearly half okay, 278 00:12:12,225 --> 00:12:12,465 Speaker 2: or like. 279 00:12:12,425 --> 00:12:15,065 Speaker 1: A classic coat that you wear three months of the year, 280 00:12:15,105 --> 00:12:16,465 Speaker 1: but it's like your coach. 281 00:12:16,505 --> 00:12:19,345 Speaker 2: Absolutely and you're literally wearing it daily. So I see 282 00:12:19,385 --> 00:12:21,825 Speaker 2: so many clients have brand new clothes still with the 283 00:12:21,865 --> 00:12:23,745 Speaker 2: tags or never worn in their wardrobe. Right, we have 284 00:12:23,825 --> 00:12:27,385 Speaker 2: all got it, okay, And they often don't love the item, 285 00:12:27,425 --> 00:12:29,665 Speaker 2: but they loved the idea of a bargain. 286 00:12:29,705 --> 00:12:32,585 Speaker 1: But it comes back to the emotional shopping exactly exactly. 287 00:12:32,865 --> 00:12:35,265 Speaker 2: So a bargain is only a short dopamin hit that 288 00:12:35,585 --> 00:12:38,425 Speaker 2: just satisfies for a moment. Where is a strategically bought 289 00:12:38,545 --> 00:12:42,105 Speaker 2: piece that's more expensive that you'll wear much more frequently 290 00:12:42,265 --> 00:12:45,745 Speaker 2: and for longer. That's a much more smug, long lived 291 00:12:45,785 --> 00:12:46,425 Speaker 2: dopamine here. 292 00:12:46,545 --> 00:12:48,305 Speaker 1: I think that rings true with you know, like the 293 00:12:48,305 --> 00:12:50,425 Speaker 1: half early sales and the boxing day sales. But I 294 00:12:50,465 --> 00:12:52,425 Speaker 1: feel like the way the climate is at the moment, 295 00:12:52,465 --> 00:12:54,545 Speaker 1: you know, cost of living is that poor retailers are 296 00:12:54,585 --> 00:12:56,945 Speaker 1: always on sale, always having sales. So is there a 297 00:12:57,025 --> 00:13:01,105 Speaker 1: way to still get those strategic items on sale? Is 298 00:13:01,105 --> 00:13:03,745 Speaker 1: it adding them? Do you wish list online or just 299 00:13:03,865 --> 00:13:05,185 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on it? You know, I was in 300 00:13:05,225 --> 00:13:07,105 Speaker 1: Country Road the other day and got chatting to this 301 00:13:07,145 --> 00:13:09,025 Speaker 1: woman and she tried on a bunch of things and 302 00:13:09,025 --> 00:13:10,705 Speaker 1: she said, I'm gonna for spend and safe, So she 303 00:13:10,785 --> 00:13:12,985 Speaker 1: knew what she wanted, but she also knew Country Road 304 00:13:13,025 --> 00:13:15,305 Speaker 1: often does spend and safe absolutely, so you can do both. 305 00:13:15,385 --> 00:13:17,025 Speaker 1: But that's the strategy. 306 00:13:16,545 --> 00:13:18,985 Speaker 2: Part, isn't it. Rather than going, oh my god, I 307 00:13:19,025 --> 00:13:20,865 Speaker 2: need this now, actually you probably don't need it now. 308 00:13:20,945 --> 00:13:22,665 Speaker 2: You might be buying it now and not wearing it 309 00:13:22,745 --> 00:13:23,225 Speaker 2: three weeks. 310 00:13:23,385 --> 00:13:25,945 Speaker 1: Yes, wait the three weeks and see what happened exactly 311 00:13:25,945 --> 00:13:29,425 Speaker 1: cyberstalk it second last in buying too many one trick 312 00:13:29,505 --> 00:13:33,865 Speaker 1: ponies when you actually need more workhorses in your wardrobe. 313 00:13:33,905 --> 00:13:35,305 Speaker 1: I think I know what you mean by this because 314 00:13:35,305 --> 00:13:36,265 Speaker 1: this was my old life. 315 00:13:36,385 --> 00:13:39,385 Speaker 2: Tell me, yes, one trick ponies. So they're those items 316 00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:41,385 Speaker 2: a bit like a magpie item. 317 00:13:41,025 --> 00:13:46,025 Speaker 3: Our I'm going to this much so you don't always 318 00:13:46,025 --> 00:13:49,025 Speaker 3: have to buy them exactly, try them on exactly exactly, 319 00:13:49,025 --> 00:13:51,185 Speaker 3: trying them on and feeling a bit satisfied that maybe 320 00:13:51,225 --> 00:13:52,865 Speaker 3: you take a photo and you walk away from them, 321 00:13:53,265 --> 00:13:55,305 Speaker 3: and then you think about it a bit more strategically, 322 00:13:55,705 --> 00:13:57,665 Speaker 3: and you know, this is kind of those magpie pieces 323 00:13:57,665 --> 00:14:00,265 Speaker 3: like sequins or color blocking things. 324 00:13:59,905 --> 00:14:02,225 Speaker 2: That aren't going to work with lots in your wardrobe. 325 00:14:02,785 --> 00:14:04,345 Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that everything has to be a 326 00:14:04,425 --> 00:14:07,865 Speaker 2: versatile workhorse, but the ratio of workhorses needs to be 327 00:14:07,945 --> 00:14:09,305 Speaker 2: higher than you want trick ponies. 328 00:14:09,385 --> 00:14:11,905 Speaker 1: Yes, and then it'll all fall into play exactly because 329 00:14:11,905 --> 00:14:12,225 Speaker 1: you can. 330 00:14:12,145 --> 00:14:14,625 Speaker 2: Put all your workhurses together, right. And I took about 331 00:14:14,705 --> 00:14:16,905 Speaker 2: kind of the ratio of what people are buying a lot, 332 00:14:16,945 --> 00:14:19,625 Speaker 2: because we often don't think like that in terms of 333 00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:22,745 Speaker 2: choice and variety within our wardrobe. 334 00:14:22,985 --> 00:14:25,025 Speaker 1: Can I ask with that for me, my old life 335 00:14:25,025 --> 00:14:27,425 Speaker 1: back in magazines, when I was in print, I did 336 00:14:27,465 --> 00:14:29,065 Speaker 1: have that life where it was, you know, a lot 337 00:14:29,105 --> 00:14:31,105 Speaker 1: of events, and so I had a lot of event dressing. 338 00:14:31,105 --> 00:14:33,345 Speaker 1: And in a regular person with a corporate career on, 339 00:14:33,385 --> 00:14:35,065 Speaker 1: you know, stay at home mom, they might only have 340 00:14:35,105 --> 00:14:36,985 Speaker 1: a few fancy dresses that they wear their weddings. That's 341 00:14:36,985 --> 00:14:39,865 Speaker 1: a proper ratio. But for me, when I became a 342 00:14:39,945 --> 00:14:42,185 Speaker 1: mom and then covid here, I was like, what am 343 00:14:42,225 --> 00:14:44,105 Speaker 1: I going to do with all these dresses and these heels? 344 00:14:44,145 --> 00:14:46,625 Speaker 1: And when I had that light bulb moment because shopping 345 00:14:46,625 --> 00:14:49,345 Speaker 1: for a white T shirt isn't exciting, I really did it. 346 00:14:49,585 --> 00:14:52,025 Speaker 1: But when I filled in the gaps with well fitting jeans, 347 00:14:52,185 --> 00:14:55,305 Speaker 1: a really great white tea or whatever it might be, Betles, 348 00:14:55,545 --> 00:14:56,505 Speaker 1: things went together. 349 00:14:56,785 --> 00:14:59,665 Speaker 2: Yes, and so our hitting becomes so so much easier. 350 00:14:59,665 --> 00:15:01,985 Speaker 2: So we still want those like, oh my god, must 351 00:15:02,025 --> 00:15:04,705 Speaker 2: have pieces that are must have for you. Not a trend, 352 00:15:04,785 --> 00:15:06,145 Speaker 2: but it must have that you just look at and go, 353 00:15:06,185 --> 00:15:07,585 Speaker 2: oh my god, that needs to be in my wardrobe. 354 00:15:07,625 --> 00:15:08,385 Speaker 1: Brings me joy. 355 00:15:08,545 --> 00:15:10,865 Speaker 2: Yes, but we need to be really careful about the 356 00:15:10,905 --> 00:15:13,145 Speaker 2: amount that we're bringing of those into our wardrobe because 357 00:15:13,145 --> 00:15:15,105 Speaker 2: the reality is you're just not going to wear them 358 00:15:15,225 --> 00:15:16,745 Speaker 2: day to day, and that you know, the clothes in 359 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:18,785 Speaker 2: the color capsule that I put together for clients is 360 00:15:18,825 --> 00:15:20,905 Speaker 2: all about the clothes they live their life in. 361 00:15:21,305 --> 00:15:21,585 Speaker 1: First. 362 00:15:21,625 --> 00:15:24,585 Speaker 2: We've got to get that right first. So everything's mixing 363 00:15:24,585 --> 00:15:26,465 Speaker 2: and matching, and then you throw in a few one 364 00:15:26,505 --> 00:15:26,825 Speaker 2: trip pa. 365 00:15:26,945 --> 00:15:28,705 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the cake and then the sprinkles or 366 00:15:28,705 --> 00:15:29,625 Speaker 1: that I see exactly. 367 00:15:29,665 --> 00:15:31,105 Speaker 2: That's actually how I talk about it. 368 00:15:31,145 --> 00:15:34,865 Speaker 1: There you go, and the workhorses for each person would differ, right, Like, 369 00:15:34,905 --> 00:15:36,945 Speaker 1: it's not so much a capture wardrobe that you and 370 00:15:36,985 --> 00:15:39,305 Speaker 1: I and produce the grace will all have the same things. 371 00:15:39,345 --> 00:15:41,905 Speaker 1: It's still your personal personal style. 372 00:15:42,145 --> 00:15:44,865 Speaker 2: Yes, every woman needs, for example, a danim jacket in 373 00:15:44,905 --> 00:15:47,265 Speaker 2: their wardrobe, right, But I love op shopping, so mine 374 00:15:47,345 --> 00:15:49,505 Speaker 2: is vintage. Okay, it's the vintage Levi's I bought for 375 00:15:49,545 --> 00:15:52,305 Speaker 2: five pounds in England twenty odd years ago. Yes, and 376 00:15:52,345 --> 00:15:55,385 Speaker 2: I still love it. Yes, okay, because it is a workhorse. 377 00:15:55,465 --> 00:15:57,145 Speaker 2: But that's my version of the gack. 378 00:15:57,225 --> 00:15:58,345 Speaker 1: And it's funny you just said that. I've got a 379 00:15:58,345 --> 00:16:00,985 Speaker 1: girlfriend who's hyperfeminine, wears lots of florals, and she does 380 00:16:01,025 --> 00:16:02,825 Speaker 1: have one but it's like a beautiful cream color, so 381 00:16:02,865 --> 00:16:04,785 Speaker 1: it kind of goes with her colourways more. It's not 382 00:16:04,865 --> 00:16:07,145 Speaker 1: you know, you might automatically think blue denim, but there's 383 00:16:07,145 --> 00:16:08,825 Speaker 1: a denim jacket for everyone has an. 384 00:16:08,665 --> 00:16:12,225 Speaker 2: Examsolutely, so you know yours might be a boyfriend fit. Yeah, yeah, 385 00:16:12,385 --> 00:16:14,705 Speaker 2: you know, a petit person would have maybe a cropped one. 386 00:16:14,865 --> 00:16:17,345 Speaker 2: So we've all got our own version of it. And 387 00:16:17,385 --> 00:16:20,385 Speaker 2: it's not about copying an influencer or your bestdie. It's 388 00:16:20,425 --> 00:16:23,985 Speaker 2: about finding your version of it and having that smug, 389 00:16:24,265 --> 00:16:26,505 Speaker 2: long dopamine hit that every time you put it on 390 00:16:26,545 --> 00:16:28,305 Speaker 2: your body, and I love it to look at this, 391 00:16:28,425 --> 00:16:30,585 Speaker 2: I feel really great. Yes, the whole point I do 392 00:16:30,665 --> 00:16:32,625 Speaker 2: what I do is to make women feel better in 393 00:16:32,625 --> 00:16:34,945 Speaker 2: their clothes. Yes, So the more we can get it 394 00:16:35,025 --> 00:16:37,345 Speaker 2: right and feel better, and the more we've got those 395 00:16:37,385 --> 00:16:39,585 Speaker 2: in our wardrobe, we're only going to feel good. 396 00:16:39,945 --> 00:16:42,065 Speaker 1: The last one speaks to me, but it's something I've 397 00:16:42,065 --> 00:16:45,745 Speaker 1: been actively working on getting better at. And it back 398 00:16:45,785 --> 00:16:48,825 Speaker 1: to the emotional shopping, buying the same thing over and 399 00:16:48,865 --> 00:16:50,785 Speaker 1: over again. That was me with Sean bracious. Yes, I 400 00:16:50,785 --> 00:16:52,425 Speaker 1: thought about Yes, I just love them, and then you 401 00:16:52,465 --> 00:16:54,025 Speaker 1: find one that's a bit softer and then you find 402 00:16:54,025 --> 00:16:56,825 Speaker 1: one with cute pockets, but you do not need eleven. 403 00:16:57,065 --> 00:17:00,225 Speaker 2: No two is nice. Yes, I think. 404 00:17:00,025 --> 00:17:01,625 Speaker 1: It's just if you kind of have an idea of 405 00:17:01,665 --> 00:17:03,985 Speaker 1: your personal style or you're just drawn to something. You think, well, 406 00:17:04,025 --> 00:17:05,985 Speaker 1: that's the thing I buy, but have you got it 407 00:17:05,985 --> 00:17:08,665 Speaker 1: at home? How do we stop ourselves buying a version 408 00:17:08,705 --> 00:17:10,025 Speaker 1: of the same thing over and over again. 409 00:17:10,105 --> 00:17:12,345 Speaker 2: Have a little photo of your wardrobe on your phone, 410 00:17:12,385 --> 00:17:14,385 Speaker 2: like every item what you could just literally stand back 411 00:17:14,385 --> 00:17:16,785 Speaker 2: from it, open a drawer, open a cupboard, a wardrobe. 412 00:17:16,825 --> 00:17:18,025 Speaker 2: And that's why I do Instagram a lot of the 413 00:17:18,025 --> 00:17:20,185 Speaker 2: time is to remember what I've got so that I 414 00:17:20,265 --> 00:17:22,625 Speaker 2: don't duplicate. But also I don't have to then think 415 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:24,145 Speaker 2: about my outfits because I'm just gonna wear what I 416 00:17:24,185 --> 00:17:27,545 Speaker 2: wore last Thursday or yeah, two months ago. So having 417 00:17:27,545 --> 00:17:30,225 Speaker 2: a picture of what your wardrobe looks like, because as 418 00:17:30,225 --> 00:17:33,225 Speaker 2: soon as we walk away from it, you forget forgotten. Yeah, 419 00:17:33,505 --> 00:17:35,385 Speaker 2: it's like just a cuple full of stuff again. But 420 00:17:35,465 --> 00:17:37,905 Speaker 2: often it becomes we've got this item we buy in 421 00:17:37,905 --> 00:17:40,105 Speaker 2: bulk so many times because like you said, it might 422 00:17:40,145 --> 00:17:41,865 Speaker 2: have a little difference point of the difference on it. 423 00:17:42,225 --> 00:17:44,345 Speaker 2: But sometimes we can create that point of difference with 424 00:17:44,385 --> 00:17:47,425 Speaker 2: what you already own. So say one of your Chombra shirts, 425 00:17:47,425 --> 00:17:49,065 Speaker 2: you love the color, but the length is a bit long. 426 00:17:49,145 --> 00:17:51,505 Speaker 2: So buy another one that's short but slightly different color 427 00:17:51,505 --> 00:17:54,145 Speaker 2: that you don't love as much. Shorten the one in. 428 00:17:54,105 --> 00:17:57,145 Speaker 1: The color, whatever it may be, alter it. 429 00:17:57,545 --> 00:18:00,345 Speaker 2: Yes, So rather than spending maybe one hundred bucks on 430 00:18:00,385 --> 00:18:03,265 Speaker 2: a new shirt, spend thirty bucks altering the one that 431 00:18:03,345 --> 00:18:04,585 Speaker 2: you almost love. 432 00:18:04,745 --> 00:18:07,225 Speaker 1: Yes, but to generally mean to be shorter. 433 00:18:07,105 --> 00:18:08,785 Speaker 2: And then you can tick that box. You're like, I 434 00:18:08,825 --> 00:18:10,825 Speaker 2: am done. I love that and it's only when it 435 00:18:10,865 --> 00:18:13,185 Speaker 2: wears out. I'm going to replace it so that you 436 00:18:13,225 --> 00:18:16,825 Speaker 2: can slow down your consumption. Because if we keep duplicating 437 00:18:16,865 --> 00:18:19,185 Speaker 2: all the time, we're not giving ourself choice. In the 438 00:18:19,225 --> 00:18:20,825 Speaker 2: case of color, we often my black, white and gray. 439 00:18:20,985 --> 00:18:22,425 Speaker 2: We wear it over and over and like, oh now 440 00:18:22,425 --> 00:18:23,945 Speaker 2: I need to give myself choice. I'm going to go 441 00:18:23,985 --> 00:18:25,905 Speaker 2: out and buy something in color. And we go to 442 00:18:26,025 --> 00:18:28,385 Speaker 2: completely other end of the extreme. We go into Gormant 443 00:18:28,425 --> 00:18:32,465 Speaker 2: and we buy the most colorful larry patterned with lurex. 444 00:18:32,585 --> 00:18:35,505 Speaker 1: Like all the things on quote unquote gap in the wardrobe. 445 00:18:35,625 --> 00:18:38,505 Speaker 2: Well, it goes really binary. We go from one extreme 446 00:18:38,665 --> 00:18:41,345 Speaker 2: to the other because it's easier to shop because we 447 00:18:41,425 --> 00:18:43,385 Speaker 2: know what that looks like. Yes, but the bit in 448 00:18:43,425 --> 00:18:45,225 Speaker 2: the middle of so say, for example, yes it could 449 00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:47,665 Speaker 2: be a colorful pattern, but it might have more sophisticated 450 00:18:47,665 --> 00:18:52,145 Speaker 2: colors that you'll wear exactly, more easy to wear. You'll 451 00:18:52,185 --> 00:18:54,705 Speaker 2: actually wear once a fortnight rather than the one Gorman 452 00:18:55,305 --> 00:18:57,105 Speaker 2: and you wear once and you go, oh my god, 453 00:18:57,105 --> 00:18:59,785 Speaker 2: what was I thinking? Because we've gone to extreme. So 454 00:18:59,785 --> 00:19:02,185 Speaker 2: you've gone too far away, like two steps away from 455 00:19:02,225 --> 00:19:04,025 Speaker 2: who you are with the Gorman for example. And I'm 456 00:19:04,025 --> 00:19:05,425 Speaker 2: not shaming the band. I love it. 457 00:19:05,825 --> 00:19:07,945 Speaker 1: It's very you know what it is that might be 458 00:19:07,985 --> 00:19:09,785 Speaker 1: your style, but if you get at home and you 459 00:19:09,865 --> 00:19:11,265 Speaker 1: can't wear it with anything. 460 00:19:10,945 --> 00:19:13,105 Speaker 2: Exactly, and if it's two steps too far away from 461 00:19:13,105 --> 00:19:15,945 Speaker 2: your natural personal style, we only need to go one step, okay, 462 00:19:15,985 --> 00:19:17,785 Speaker 2: and for some people it's half a step, and that's 463 00:19:17,825 --> 00:19:20,265 Speaker 2: what Obviously each of us are different. But if we've 464 00:19:20,305 --> 00:19:23,945 Speaker 2: gone way too extreme, it ain't gonna it ain't give nobody. 465 00:19:24,105 --> 00:19:25,585 Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, buying the same thing over 466 00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:27,385 Speaker 1: and over again, or your other tips feed into that. 467 00:19:27,425 --> 00:19:29,945 Speaker 1: If you're strategic, if you've studied your order at first, 468 00:19:29,945 --> 00:19:33,745 Speaker 1: if you've taken the genes with you, all of that stuff. Absolutely, 469 00:19:33,785 --> 00:19:34,945 Speaker 1: then you won't keep des finding that. 470 00:19:35,545 --> 00:19:37,265 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's kind of to your point 471 00:19:37,305 --> 00:19:39,065 Speaker 2: at the beginning. It's really interesting when you asked, was 472 00:19:39,065 --> 00:19:42,345 Speaker 2: it hard to just get seven once it starts revolving one? 473 00:19:42,465 --> 00:20:00,945 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all kind of one. Oh, fascinating. It's 474 00:20:01,065 --> 00:20:01,985 Speaker 1: very expensive. 475 00:20:02,825 --> 00:20:03,785 Speaker 2: How old are these. 476 00:20:06,065 --> 00:20:08,665 Speaker 1: So bougie and budget? I guess with the seven scenes 477 00:20:08,705 --> 00:20:11,905 Speaker 1: of shopping with kind of brought items that we don't 478 00:20:11,905 --> 00:20:14,425 Speaker 1: regret buying. What do you want to go with? It's 479 00:20:14,465 --> 00:20:17,625 Speaker 1: your boogie or your but my bougie? Yes, please, so exciting. 480 00:20:17,745 --> 00:20:19,905 Speaker 2: Both of these are bags, and I do have a 481 00:20:19,905 --> 00:20:22,145 Speaker 2: bit of a thing for a more expensive bag, a 482 00:20:22,185 --> 00:20:24,585 Speaker 2: bit of a designer bag, because I really firmly believe 483 00:20:24,745 --> 00:20:27,185 Speaker 2: and I live this formula that I can often wear 484 00:20:27,225 --> 00:20:29,545 Speaker 2: quite cheap clothes. You know, they're often up shops, they're 485 00:20:29,705 --> 00:20:32,745 Speaker 2: third hands sometimes you know, they're sample sales there. You know, 486 00:20:33,705 --> 00:20:36,185 Speaker 2: twenty dollars knitted skirt the other day which. 487 00:20:36,145 --> 00:20:38,385 Speaker 4: I bought one of their jumpers. Oh did you never 488 00:20:38,385 --> 00:20:40,425 Speaker 4: had so many comments? It's so interesting, But that's the 489 00:20:40,425 --> 00:20:43,545 Speaker 4: good editing part. And you're right what you pair it 490 00:20:43,625 --> 00:20:46,505 Speaker 4: with exactly help me. Then I pair it with my 491 00:20:47,105 --> 00:20:50,225 Speaker 4: Chloe bag, yes, which I love. And so that Chloe 492 00:20:50,225 --> 00:20:52,745 Speaker 4: bag that would you was about fourteen hundred, which is 493 00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:54,945 Speaker 4: quite a lot to spend on a bag, to be honest, 494 00:20:55,385 --> 00:20:58,865 Speaker 4: but I knew it is going to go with ninety 495 00:20:59,105 --> 00:20:59,985 Speaker 4: percent of my WADO. 496 00:21:00,145 --> 00:21:00,905 Speaker 1: So cost perware. 497 00:21:00,985 --> 00:21:03,945 Speaker 2: Absolutely cost per wear because it really does outfit. It 498 00:21:03,985 --> 00:21:06,265 Speaker 2: holds the right size, you know. So I really interrogated 499 00:21:06,305 --> 00:21:08,905 Speaker 2: it before I purchased it. Love it And still now 500 00:21:09,265 --> 00:21:11,265 Speaker 2: I open my wardrobe and I'm just give myself a 501 00:21:11,305 --> 00:21:13,705 Speaker 2: little smart Oh you love her? I love it. 502 00:21:13,865 --> 00:21:16,905 Speaker 1: That's so good. My bougie is something I never regret. 503 00:21:16,905 --> 00:21:19,705 Speaker 1: I've got a few. They're kind of i'd say designer 504 00:21:19,865 --> 00:21:23,425 Speaker 1: white T shirt. So my two favorites Anine Bing. I've 505 00:21:23,425 --> 00:21:25,225 Speaker 1: got two of the Anine Bing t shirts. I'm looking 506 00:21:25,265 --> 00:21:26,665 Speaker 1: at one at David Jones at the moment. It's just 507 00:21:26,665 --> 00:21:28,865 Speaker 1: a white crew neck tea with a small and nine 508 00:21:28,905 --> 00:21:31,585 Speaker 1: being across the chest. And I have another similar one. 509 00:21:31,625 --> 00:21:34,745 Speaker 1: Both one I got on sale at a random boutique 510 00:21:34,745 --> 00:21:36,265 Speaker 1: in the country. The other one I got on a 511 00:21:36,305 --> 00:21:38,825 Speaker 1: second hand website, so I only paid you know. This 512 00:21:38,865 --> 00:21:41,545 Speaker 1: one's one ninety, which is a lot for a white tea, 513 00:21:41,545 --> 00:21:43,265 Speaker 1: but their quality is amazing, but I think I paid 514 00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:45,585 Speaker 1: less than that. The reason I love it is if 515 00:21:45,625 --> 00:21:48,065 Speaker 1: I'm having a crazy morning with my four year old, 516 00:21:48,185 --> 00:21:49,905 Speaker 1: Like this morning, my husband woke up with a cold, 517 00:21:49,905 --> 00:21:52,105 Speaker 1: you would have thought he was dying, so there was 518 00:21:52,145 --> 00:21:54,345 Speaker 1: absolutely no time to think about getting dressed, and I 519 00:21:54,425 --> 00:21:58,465 Speaker 1: just know, Okay, my fancy T shirt makes me feel good. Jeans, yep, shoes, 520 00:21:58,545 --> 00:22:01,025 Speaker 1: off I go. And that's not to say a plain 521 00:22:01,065 --> 00:22:03,065 Speaker 1: white T shirt doesn't. But it just makes me feel 522 00:22:03,065 --> 00:22:04,705 Speaker 1: a bit put together when I haven't had time to 523 00:22:04,705 --> 00:22:05,265 Speaker 1: put together. 524 00:22:05,345 --> 00:22:07,505 Speaker 2: It's saying something, isn't it. It's saying something when you 525 00:22:07,545 --> 00:22:08,625 Speaker 2: haven't got the time to say something. 526 00:22:08,745 --> 00:22:10,585 Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm not trying to saying oh I'm head 527 00:22:10,585 --> 00:22:12,265 Speaker 1: to toe design it, but it just it makes me 528 00:22:12,305 --> 00:22:12,825 Speaker 1: feel good. 529 00:22:12,945 --> 00:22:15,985 Speaker 2: What's your budget? So it's still a bag. It's actually 530 00:22:15,985 --> 00:22:18,705 Speaker 2: a straw bag from Kmart. Oh that I thin that 531 00:22:18,865 --> 00:22:21,265 Speaker 2: success is a great really good at the moment, it 532 00:22:21,345 --> 00:22:24,105 Speaker 2: was like fifteen dollars something like that a long long 533 00:22:24,145 --> 00:22:26,465 Speaker 2: time ago. It's basically a big straw bag. I get 534 00:22:26,465 --> 00:22:27,985 Speaker 2: compliments on it wherever I go. 535 00:22:28,065 --> 00:22:29,425 Speaker 1: I wonder if we've got the same one. Does it 536 00:22:29,505 --> 00:22:30,145 Speaker 1: zipshut though? 537 00:22:30,345 --> 00:22:33,105 Speaker 2: No, it's like a big toe, big toe that's open 538 00:22:33,145 --> 00:22:35,345 Speaker 2: at the top and it's got a little off white handle. 539 00:22:35,745 --> 00:22:37,225 Speaker 2: So I knew that would get a little bit dirty. 540 00:22:37,305 --> 00:22:39,545 Speaker 2: I'm happy to clean that. That's no problem. Obviously your 541 00:22:39,545 --> 00:22:42,465 Speaker 2: hands are on that. But it goes again with everything, 542 00:22:43,065 --> 00:22:45,425 Speaker 2: and it's just brilliant and it's so funny how it's 543 00:22:45,465 --> 00:22:47,745 Speaker 2: so plain but there. The piece is often that people 544 00:22:47,705 --> 00:22:49,465 Speaker 2: are like, oh, that's what I want in my wardrobe. 545 00:22:49,545 --> 00:22:51,425 Speaker 1: I can't find it, Yes, or I don't want to 546 00:22:51,425 --> 00:22:53,145 Speaker 1: spend four hundred dollars on a straw. 547 00:22:52,905 --> 00:22:55,825 Speaker 2: Bag exactly directly, but it's not a mag by piece 548 00:22:55,905 --> 00:22:58,105 Speaker 2: that one. No, and it's almost the other end of 549 00:22:58,105 --> 00:22:58,585 Speaker 2: the spectrum. 550 00:22:58,665 --> 00:23:01,505 Speaker 1: Yes, it goes with everything. Yes, it's a classic. Okay, 551 00:23:01,505 --> 00:23:04,145 Speaker 1: my budget is very boring. But I was looking at 552 00:23:04,185 --> 00:23:05,585 Speaker 1: my wardrobe knowing I was going to talk to you, 553 00:23:05,585 --> 00:23:06,865 Speaker 1: and I was like, what do I wear most of 554 00:23:06,905 --> 00:23:09,145 Speaker 1: the day? And look, I love dressing up, but when 555 00:23:09,225 --> 00:23:11,745 Speaker 1: you don't see my outfit on Instagram, I am wearing 556 00:23:11,905 --> 00:23:14,305 Speaker 1: some leggings from Amazon. Oh yeah, I have seven pairs. 557 00:23:14,625 --> 00:23:18,225 Speaker 1: They're called the Crazy Yoga Women's Butterlucks workout leggings. They're 558 00:23:18,265 --> 00:23:20,025 Speaker 1: fifty five dollars butter Lucks. 559 00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:21,585 Speaker 2: That sounds like something I want my legs in. 560 00:23:21,665 --> 00:23:23,505 Speaker 1: You can get a pocket version or a non pocket 561 00:23:23,545 --> 00:23:25,145 Speaker 1: version and the little pocket fits your phone or if 562 00:23:25,185 --> 00:23:27,665 Speaker 1: you meet you know, Spider Man or Lego or whatever. 563 00:23:28,305 --> 00:23:28,865 Speaker 2: They come in. 564 00:23:29,185 --> 00:23:30,625 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding like I was going to say a 565 00:23:30,705 --> 00:23:36,265 Speaker 1: hundred colors, but over twenty colors. And they're not shiny, 566 00:23:36,305 --> 00:23:38,425 Speaker 1: but not too matt or cheap. I have checked them 567 00:23:38,425 --> 00:23:40,065 Speaker 1: on with nice trainers and a trench and gone for 568 00:23:40,105 --> 00:23:43,225 Speaker 1: coffee with women and girls, and you could even do 569 00:23:43,305 --> 00:23:45,425 Speaker 1: a boot and a long jumper and no one would 570 00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:47,145 Speaker 1: know that. They're all active wear leggings. You so they're 571 00:23:47,145 --> 00:23:50,625 Speaker 1: a bit thicker, thicker, great waistband that kind of holds 572 00:23:50,625 --> 00:23:52,105 Speaker 1: everything in but you don't want to rip them off. 573 00:23:52,385 --> 00:23:54,265 Speaker 1: And I just thought that is not at all a 574 00:23:54,305 --> 00:23:55,585 Speaker 1: stylish or chic item. 575 00:23:55,705 --> 00:23:56,865 Speaker 2: But you make it look chic. 576 00:23:56,985 --> 00:23:59,025 Speaker 1: You make it look chic. I wear them NonStop. I've 577 00:23:59,025 --> 00:24:00,665 Speaker 1: got mostly black, but I've got a few colors, and 578 00:24:00,705 --> 00:24:02,625 Speaker 1: I wear the black just running around, wear the colors 579 00:24:02,665 --> 00:24:04,745 Speaker 1: and I'm quote unquote working out. But they're for fifty 580 00:24:04,745 --> 00:24:07,185 Speaker 1: five dollars and because a lot of active wear leggings 581 00:24:07,465 --> 00:24:07,705 Speaker 1: are in. 582 00:24:07,705 --> 00:24:09,985 Speaker 2: The hundreds hundred. 583 00:24:10,065 --> 00:24:13,305 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so while it's not all that exciting, that's 584 00:24:13,345 --> 00:24:14,225 Speaker 1: okay because. 585 00:24:13,985 --> 00:24:16,505 Speaker 2: It's functioned exactly exactly. 586 00:24:16,425 --> 00:24:19,345 Speaker 1: Where Kim, you're a genius. I feel like I want 587 00:24:19,385 --> 00:24:22,425 Speaker 1: you to come over and play in my wardrobe. No 588 00:24:22,585 --> 00:24:26,145 Speaker 1: judgment about the seventeen shop brasure. 589 00:24:25,985 --> 00:24:28,225 Speaker 2: No judgment that's it. And this is not to judge 590 00:24:28,265 --> 00:24:31,025 Speaker 2: anyone or to make anyone feel bad. It's to help 591 00:24:31,145 --> 00:24:34,505 Speaker 2: them realize that shopping is actually a skill. It's not 592 00:24:34,545 --> 00:24:37,065 Speaker 2: something we just we browse, we graze as women, and 593 00:24:37,065 --> 00:24:39,225 Speaker 2: then we just buy items and bring them home and 594 00:24:39,265 --> 00:24:41,345 Speaker 2: then we're like, I've still got no outcome. But by 595 00:24:41,385 --> 00:24:46,145 Speaker 2: actually thinking about this before you shop and really interrogating things, 596 00:24:46,185 --> 00:24:48,345 Speaker 2: hopefully what you come home with will make you happy 597 00:24:48,585 --> 00:24:49,825 Speaker 2: and your interaction with. 598 00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:53,665 Speaker 1: Clothes will be a possible look forward to getting dressed. Im, 599 00:24:53,745 --> 00:24:57,665 Speaker 1: you are wonderful. Thank you so much, Thank you, Thank 600 00:24:57,745 --> 00:25:00,025 Speaker 1: you for listening to Nothing to Wear. Don't forget to 601 00:25:00,065 --> 00:25:02,665 Speaker 1: sign up to our Nothing to Wear newsletter. It's free 602 00:25:02,905 --> 00:25:05,145 Speaker 1: and there's a link in the show notes. And if 603 00:25:05,145 --> 00:25:07,305 Speaker 1: you loved this episode, you might want to check out 604 00:25:07,385 --> 00:25:11,025 Speaker 1: one we did with Paula Joy. 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