WEBVTT - Lisa Wilkinson 0:00:08.126 --> 0:00:11.326 Hi, I'm Mia Friedman and welcome to a very special 0:00:11.326 --> 0:00:14.695 episode off No philtre a podcast. Siri's were I checked 0:00:14.706 --> 0:00:18.766 interesting people about their careers, their families and their lives. 0:00:19.126 --> 0:00:22.256 It's an open, honest one on one conversation that has 0:00:22.266 --> 0:00:24.836 zero philtre a lot like my mouth 0:00:25.326 --> 0:00:28.126 Thiss week on the podcast. I speak to Lisa Wilkinson, 0:00:28.526 --> 0:00:31.246 co host of The Today Show, one of Australia's most 0:00:31.246 --> 0:00:35.486 respected journalists and my Dear Friend, a 21. Lisa became 0:00:35.486 --> 0:00:38.516 the youngest ever editor of Dolly magazine and went on 0:00:38.516 --> 0:00:41.556 to edit Cleo on Become its international editor in chief 0:00:41.565 --> 0:00:44.885 before moving into television on No Philtre. I chat to 0:00:44.885 --> 0:00:46.376 her about two AM starts 0:00:46.645 --> 0:00:49.035 the changing nature of women's magazines in Australia 0:00:49.425 --> 0:00:52.355 on the hardest part about interviewing the prime minister. 0:00:54.826 --> 0:00:59.295 Please, I would describe us as refugees from magazines in 0:00:59.296 --> 0:01:02.136 terms of we were very happy in our homelands once. 0:01:02.726 --> 0:01:06.246 Then we set sail, I think, probably clear on Dolly 0:01:06.246 --> 0:01:08.276 will close in the next couple of years, and I 0:01:08.276 --> 0:01:10.516 don't say that to be a smart ass or anything. 0:01:10.516 --> 0:01:12.506 I just think that print is in a really difficult time, 0:01:12.506 --> 0:01:15.736 particularly print for young women. Here's the new F issue 0:01:15.736 --> 0:01:17.666 of Cleo and makes you feel old when you don't 0:01:17.666 --> 0:01:18.736 even know who's on the cover. 0:01:19.626 --> 0:01:20.976 Who is that? I don't know. 0:01:21.526 --> 0:01:23.236 I don't know. But I don't know what they're going 0:01:23.236 --> 0:01:25.786 through a phase at the moment off doing models or 0:01:26.146 --> 0:01:27.056 she supermodel. 0:01:27.066 --> 0:01:29.926 I don't really think I don't know. I don't know 0:01:30.516 --> 0:01:31.386 what what 0:01:31.386 --> 0:01:33.456 I will. You will not get me. I know you're 0:01:33.456 --> 0:01:35.436 not trying to do that, but you will not get 0:01:35.436 --> 0:01:40.935 me bagging this publication only because this publication 0:01:41.126 --> 0:01:42.736 was so crucial 0:01:43.126 --> 0:01:46.326 to the emancipation of Australian women. It was such a 0:01:46.326 --> 0:01:48.236 significant publication 0:01:48.626 --> 0:01:50.786 when it came out in 1972. I mean, we are 0:01:50.786 --> 0:01:53.206 talking really about the only form 0:01:53.216 --> 0:01:54.706 ofthe heaviest media 0:01:54.716 --> 0:02:00.046 for women in this country that talked everything from women's 0:02:00.046 --> 0:02:04.096 political rights to their rights in the home, too. 0:02:04.326 --> 0:02:06.926 The fact that they should go out there and be 0:02:06.936 --> 0:02:09.956 everything that they want to be in recession, do what 0:02:09.956 --> 0:02:13.046 they want t be their own person. And so to 0:02:13.046 --> 0:02:18.786 have edited that magazine for 10 years between 85 95 0:02:19.025 --> 0:02:25.656 is one of my greatest moments off pride professionally because 0:02:25.655 --> 0:02:27.435 it it was a magazine, 0:02:27.625 --> 0:02:30.036 a publication of form of media in this country 0:02:30.326 --> 0:02:33.046 that was an agent for change. And to have been 0:02:33.046 --> 0:02:36.775 part of that process is an incredible thing. And also 0:02:36.775 --> 0:02:41.766 to have worked with so many incredibly talented women such 0:02:41.766 --> 0:02:46.696 as yourself, who were good times. There were great times and, 0:02:46.706 --> 0:02:49.936 you know, it's still it's still something that 0:02:50.326 --> 0:02:52.236 puts a smile on my face. So 0:02:52.796 --> 0:02:55.715 if and when that magazine closes and Dolly as well, 0:02:55.715 --> 0:02:58.236 because that was where I got my start in the media. 0:02:58.826 --> 0:03:01.345 It will be a really, really sad 0:03:01.356 --> 0:03:03.856 day you've got. It will be a really sad day 0:03:04.046 --> 0:03:06.456 and maybe it will never come. You've got a teenage 0:03:06.456 --> 0:03:07.125 daughter now. 0:03:08.125 --> 0:03:09.236 What does she look at? 0:03:10.696 --> 0:03:13.535 It's funny, isn't it? She didn't read Dolly. I think 0:03:13.536 --> 0:03:15.035 she sort of came across it 0:03:16.226 --> 0:03:19.445 in passing. Where's for May and possibly for you. It 0:03:19.446 --> 0:03:20.425 was my Bible. It 0:03:20.425 --> 0:03:22.195 was lifeline. It was 0:03:22.206 --> 0:03:24.666 everything I knew which day it was coming out. I 0:03:24.666 --> 0:03:27.686 knew what time it was going to land at the newsagent, 0:03:27.696 --> 0:03:32.036 and I thumbed through that magazine. I 0:03:32.226 --> 0:03:35.196 I bled for that magazine every month, and I still 0:03:35.196 --> 0:03:35.676 have 0:03:35.916 --> 0:03:39.336 every single copy I ever bought, and I can pick 0:03:39.336 --> 0:03:41.796 an issue up and I could remember how old I wass. 0:03:41.796 --> 0:03:44.336 I remember the things that resin and those covers. I 0:03:44.346 --> 0:03:47.976 remember the clothes that I was desperate to, hopefully one 0:03:47.976 --> 0:03:48.736 day where 0:03:49.326 --> 0:03:51.135 you know, it was all about 0:03:51.826 --> 0:03:52.736 having 0:03:53.416 --> 0:03:56.656 something that you could really trust is a teenager that 0:03:56.656 --> 0:03:57.135 was 0:03:57.786 --> 0:04:01.005 that was your confidante and was even a better friend 0:04:01.006 --> 0:04:01.726 than maybe best 0:04:01.726 --> 0:04:05.136 friend. So, do you think Facebook's that now for teenage girls? 0:04:05.926 --> 0:04:07.146 Look, I'm not on Facebook 0:04:07.156 --> 0:04:10.046 or of a that for each other, like just because 0:04:10.046 --> 0:04:11.906 they could be connected 24 7. 0:04:11.916 --> 0:04:16.036 What I do know is that the sort of 0:04:16.476 --> 0:04:19.286 places of refuge that existed 0:04:20.026 --> 0:04:23.536 when I was a teenager don't exist with the same 0:04:24.126 --> 0:04:24.835 power 0:04:25.426 --> 0:04:25.836 that 0:04:26.276 --> 0:04:26.835 that they 0:04:27.626 --> 0:04:32.056 that they do now. Sorry that they did. Then Look, 0:04:32.056 --> 0:04:36.656 I'm just I'm very aware having having three kids, the 0:04:36.666 --> 0:04:39.436 last of whom is our daughter, Billie, who's 17, 0:04:39.825 --> 0:04:43.646 having been a TTE, the forefront ofthe bringing up Children 0:04:43.656 --> 0:04:47.476 who are going through the Internet explosion and the Facebook 0:04:47.476 --> 0:04:50.635 explosion and the influences of social media. 0:04:51.726 --> 0:04:54.186 It was a real learning curve for May, and everyone 0:04:54.186 --> 0:04:57.116 who was doing it at the same time and I 0:04:57.116 --> 0:04:59.416 think we've made a few mistakes along the way. I 0:04:59.416 --> 0:05:03.176 think way thought when our kids said to us, You know, 0:05:03.176 --> 0:05:05.576 I'll just be in my room doing my math work 0:05:05.575 --> 0:05:08.026 because school says that I have to have access to 0:05:08.026 --> 0:05:08.636 the Internet 0:05:08.906 --> 0:05:12.336 in order. Teo, 0:05:12.846 --> 0:05:17.146 The truth is, if you put your teenage child and 0:05:17.156 --> 0:05:20.826 younger because I mean we see babies in cafes on 0:05:20.825 --> 0:05:24.536 ipads for hours at a time, being entertained. 0:05:25.296 --> 0:05:28.325 If you make your child from a very young age 0:05:28.526 --> 0:05:33.646 so dependent on screen entertainment, you are really setting yourself 0:05:33.646 --> 0:05:34.796 up for a fall. And this is a 0:05:34.796 --> 0:05:40.036 social entertainment. What you do, 0:05:40.815 --> 0:05:43.106 we're not holding your phone now. Are you removed from 0:05:43.106 --> 0:05:45.726 your phone or do you live by the screen? Well, 0:05:45.736 --> 0:05:51.265 well, phone is now a ll communication with work, communication 0:05:51.265 --> 0:05:53.266 with the kids and all of that. It's But there's 0:05:53.265 --> 0:05:56.595 a difference between just living a 21st century life that 0:05:56.596 --> 0:06:00.336 you can get through if if you're a busy parent, 0:06:00.426 --> 0:06:01.876 a busy professional, 0:06:02.406 --> 0:06:07.505 there's a difference between being practical and being completely dependent 0:06:07.936 --> 0:06:10.926 on DH. I try and be independent. I don't always 0:06:10.926 --> 0:06:14.666 succeed because it is. It is very compelling. I mean, 0:06:14.666 --> 0:06:18.205 you can waste hours on YouTube beacon, waste hours, Converse 0:06:18.206 --> 0:06:20.336 ing on Twitter, and you can do all of that. 0:06:20.526 --> 0:06:23.455 Fortunately, I didn't get the Facebook addiction. I think that's 0:06:23.825 --> 0:06:27.676 possibly a case of self preservation. And also, you know, 0:06:27.896 --> 0:06:30.916 Australia gets 3.5 hours of me every day. I don't 0:06:30.916 --> 0:06:34.436 think they need Mohr of me on Facebook, 0:06:34.825 --> 0:06:35.436 but 0:06:36.126 --> 0:06:40.405 it sze bean. A huge learning curve is apparent to 0:06:40.575 --> 0:06:43.736 take three kids through that, but 0:06:44.126 --> 0:06:47.386 my caution retail to other parents. I don't judge other parents. 0:06:47.385 --> 0:06:49.086 It's their call how they want to bring up their 0:06:49.086 --> 0:06:51.936 kids in the 21st century. But 0:06:52.526 --> 0:06:54.136 if you allow your child 0:06:54.726 --> 0:06:57.896 tohave a computer in their bedroom with the door closed 0:06:57.996 --> 0:06:58.666 and you're not 0:06:59.626 --> 0:07:03.166 and you're not monitoring that you are basically allowing the 0:07:03.166 --> 0:07:06.276 world outside to dig a hole into your child's bedroom. 0:07:06.536 --> 0:07:09.366 And that, for me is a cautionary tale when we 0:07:09.366 --> 0:07:10.035 all have Teo 0:07:10.496 --> 0:07:13.095 parent, the way we see fit. But I would just 0:07:13.096 --> 0:07:16.676 if anybody can sort of see this as a moment off. 0:07:16.776 --> 0:07:19.116 You know, maybe I'm not monitoring as much as I should. 0:07:19.126 --> 0:07:21.736 I think it can really lose touch with your kids. 0:07:21.926 --> 0:07:23.746 The great irony, of course, is 0:07:24.326 --> 0:07:27.786 we've got so many ways to communicate now. And yet 0:07:27.796 --> 0:07:29.736 our one on one into personal 0:07:30.316 --> 0:07:33.196 level of communication has never bean 0:07:34.396 --> 0:07:38.186 Maur skewed away from being able to actually 0:07:38.386 --> 0:07:42.986 communicate face to face. Exactly. You made the transition obviously 0:07:44.126 --> 0:07:46.936 not in your twenties but in your forties to TV 0:07:47.046 --> 0:07:48.036 after print 0:07:48.926 --> 0:07:51.406 after having the best job in the world, the one 0:07:51.406 --> 0:07:53.606 where you get to interview the prime minister one day 0:07:53.616 --> 0:07:57.046 and even on the same day. Mind to sing the 0:07:57.046 --> 0:07:59.636 sound of music That was a highlight for May. 0:08:00.126 --> 0:08:01.536 I'm glad it was for someone. 0:08:02.016 --> 0:08:05.396 How do you look past that and come down from that? Like, 0:08:05.396 --> 0:08:08.976 what happens? What does look like life look like on 0:08:08.976 --> 0:08:11.256 the other side of today? Show? Because presumably you'll stop 0:08:11.256 --> 0:08:13.736 doing it At some stage. You'll get Jack a bit 0:08:14.326 --> 0:08:16.386 and you know what I can to make it 83 0:08:17.526 --> 0:08:20.056 e I will not let you be Helen Gurley Brown 0:08:20.066 --> 0:08:25.836 e really want not e gave fishnet tights and leopard print? 0:08:27.226 --> 0:08:27.636 What? 0:08:28.426 --> 0:08:31.186 What does it look like on the other side, like travel? 0:08:31.186 --> 0:08:32.136 Does it look like 0:08:32.776 --> 0:08:35.136 I have no idea I'd never, 0:08:35.726 --> 0:08:38.655 ever, And you know me well enough to know this 0:08:38.655 --> 0:08:40.295 is the truth. I've never had a five year plan. 0:08:40.295 --> 0:08:44.326 You never have. Just I've have been incredibly fortunate that 0:08:44.326 --> 0:08:47.045 every job I've ever had I've just loved, and that 0:08:47.045 --> 0:08:50.446 includes my very first job, which was being sales assistant 0:08:50.456 --> 0:08:54.086 wrenches shoe store in Campbelltown, wrenches to Thursday night and 0:08:54.086 --> 0:08:55.236 Saturday mornings. 0:08:56.795 --> 0:09:00.136 I've never had a job I didn't love 0:09:00.626 --> 0:09:02.136 going in to do. 0:09:03.776 --> 0:09:06.486 And so I've never looked beyond what I'm doing every day. 0:09:06.486 --> 0:09:08.185 I just want to know that every day I go 0:09:08.186 --> 0:09:10.876 to work and I learn something new, I get something 0:09:10.876 --> 0:09:14.646 out of it. I enjoy being with my colleagues. I'm 0:09:14.746 --> 0:09:18.035 the best professional person. Aiken Gay and I have a laugh. 0:09:18.226 --> 0:09:21.326 And how do you shift? You've had cast changes, old 0:09:21.326 --> 0:09:23.776 lineup changes on the Today show. It's such an intimate thing. 0:09:23.776 --> 0:09:24.436 It must pay 0:09:24.926 --> 0:09:27.616 anyone that you with it for in the morning and 0:09:27.616 --> 0:09:31.006 doing that much live TV you must have very close 0:09:31.006 --> 0:09:35.746 relationships with when that shifts and you know George's Left 0:09:35.756 --> 0:09:38.415 and Bends left In the last six months, Tim's coming 0:09:38.415 --> 0:09:40.236 and Sylvia's coming. Has that changed? 0:09:40.996 --> 0:09:44.126 The dynamic has that re energised it? Does everyone have 0:09:44.126 --> 0:09:46.766 to learn each other's rhythms? What's it Hasn't changed. Has 0:09:46.766 --> 0:09:47.986 it changed your delivery? 0:09:47.996 --> 0:09:49.136 Yeah, sure. I mean, 0:09:49.526 --> 0:09:50.555 ultimately, 0:09:51.116 --> 0:09:54.496 my closest relationship is always going to be with Carl 0:09:54.496 --> 0:09:57.786 because you know, there's that two shot every single day, 0:09:57.785 --> 0:09:58.336 and so 0:09:58.726 --> 0:10:03.156 we know each other so well. Now way. No, the 0:10:03.155 --> 0:10:03.935 days when 0:10:04.426 --> 0:10:07.956 when one's not having an off day, but one's got 0:10:07.956 --> 0:10:11.655 more energy than the other. And it's a completely unspoken thing, 0:10:11.655 --> 0:10:16.006 and we just rise and lived for. And it's not 0:10:16.006 --> 0:10:19.636 even that you didn't you didn't deliver today. So you know, 0:10:19.826 --> 0:10:21.195 I get to have my dad 0:10:21.206 --> 0:10:25.986 thiss new Army Wednesday because I caught you on Monday. 0:10:26.236 --> 0:10:29.256 There is no point scoring. It's just when you're doing 0:10:29.256 --> 0:10:32.936 it 3.5 hours a day, five days a week. 0:10:33.426 --> 0:10:36.516 We get six weeks off years of 46 weeks off 0:10:36.526 --> 0:10:37.136 a year. 0:10:37.726 --> 0:10:41.816 You're just aware that you're human and you know that 0:10:41.826 --> 0:10:42.736 that comes with 0:10:43.336 --> 0:10:46.706 different levels of energy on any given day. But it'll 0:10:46.706 --> 0:10:50.925 balances out, and ultimately we trust each other implicitly. We 0:10:50.926 --> 0:10:52.835 know each other's strengths and weaknesses, 0:10:53.306 --> 0:10:56.536 and we just we enjoy each other 0:10:56.926 --> 0:11:01.146 both personally and professionally, and we really appreciate the differences 0:11:01.155 --> 0:11:02.036 in what we 0:11:02.045 --> 0:11:04.266 bring each bring to the. It is a lot like 0:11:04.266 --> 0:11:08.555 a marriage on DH because she said that about him 0:11:08.556 --> 0:11:10.656 and Mel Doyle, and I guess 0:11:11.326 --> 0:11:13.636 by that definition he's on to his second wife. But 0:11:16.126 --> 0:11:16.336 wait. 0:11:16.826 --> 0:11:19.815 With marriage and a long term relationship, you go through 0:11:19.816 --> 0:11:22.346 phases where you cannot stand. The way the person blinks, 0:11:22.405 --> 0:11:25.006 the way they breathe makes you want to kill them, 0:11:25.016 --> 0:11:26.686 and you get through that or you get it watch. 0:11:26.696 --> 0:11:29.086 But usually you get through that, and that's what marriage is. 0:11:29.556 --> 0:11:33.136 Is it the same with the relationship? A coworker relationship 0:11:33.136 --> 0:11:36.666 that's that intimate like you go through. This particular thing 0:11:36.665 --> 0:11:38.636 he does is driving me crazy. 0:11:38.726 --> 0:11:40.216 But you have to get through it because you got 0:11:40.216 --> 0:11:41.336 to keep working with HR. 0:11:41.926 --> 0:11:44.616 I can honestly say no because I think I think 0:11:44.626 --> 0:11:48.446 what really life marriages came to Bob down in is 0:11:48.456 --> 0:11:52.536 different styles of parenting. And you know that the challenges 0:11:52.535 --> 0:11:55.035 that can come with teenagers that try and divide and 0:11:55.035 --> 0:11:58.426 conquer over whether or not you did your fair share 0:11:58.426 --> 0:12:00.656 of the washing up, sex up. Six. 0:12:00.926 --> 0:12:04.295 Whether you're leaving dirty towels on the floor. Who changed 0:12:04.295 --> 0:12:06.975 the toilet roll holder most recently or not at all, 0:12:07.806 --> 0:12:12.126 or not since 1985. Somebody somebody 0:12:12.996 --> 0:12:16.826 favourite doesn't just magically. So you get bogged down in 0:12:16.826 --> 0:12:20.736 the domestics and that Khun get in the way off. 0:12:21.126 --> 0:12:24.545 You know the romance of a marriage, whereas, you know, 0:12:24.556 --> 0:12:28.716 Carla night separate at the end of every show on DH, 0:12:28.716 --> 0:12:31.226 then we come back together every day. And so it's, 0:12:31.366 --> 0:12:34.516 you know, it's almost the ideal marriage because you have 0:12:34.516 --> 0:12:36.386 all of the fun. You have all of the respect. 0:12:36.386 --> 0:12:40.736 You have all of thesis of professional camaraderie. 0:12:41.026 --> 0:12:43.496 But nobody's fighting about who took out the garbage last 0:12:43.496 --> 0:12:44.236 Monday night. 0:12:44.626 --> 0:12:47.236 What about the role of the executive producer? Because you've 0:12:47.236 --> 0:12:51.636 had you had Tom alone? You've now got Mark Albert. 0:12:52.295 --> 0:12:54.856 It's an interesting sort of a three way because there's 0:12:54.856 --> 0:12:56.656 you on Carl, who are the hosts in the front 0:12:56.665 --> 0:12:59.506 of house. Then there's the AP, who most people would 0:12:59.506 --> 0:13:00.436 never have heard off 0:13:01.226 --> 0:13:04.285 how much input to the hosts have as to what 0:13:04.295 --> 0:13:06.826 goes to air and how much does someone have to 0:13:06.826 --> 0:13:07.736 drive the bus 0:13:08.726 --> 0:13:10.626 and make that final decision and it's not you. 0:13:10.636 --> 0:13:13.315 Well, let's just set the record straight here. Carl and 0:13:13.316 --> 0:13:16.285 I are just out the front. There is a whole 0:13:16.295 --> 0:13:18.136 team that put together the show. 0:13:18.526 --> 0:13:21.426 You know, there's a cast of how big is the team? Well, 0:13:21.426 --> 0:13:23.555 it depends on how far you want to go to 0:13:23.556 --> 0:13:26.686 back of house, because we've got, of course, our executive producer, 0:13:26.686 --> 0:13:32.785 associate producers, supervising producers, then the whole team off producers 0:13:32.785 --> 0:13:35.096 who are putting together the briefs every single day 0:13:35.426 --> 0:13:37.446 on DH. Then you've got a ll the crew, they're 0:13:37.446 --> 0:13:38.636 on the floor. Then you've 0:13:38.826 --> 0:13:40.795 You've got all of the people who dip in and 0:13:40.795 --> 0:13:43.555 out of the various channel line shows who are part 0:13:43.556 --> 0:13:45.616 of the support structure that put the show to air 0:13:45.616 --> 0:13:48.526 of how a person marketing and hair make up. Yeah, well, 0:13:48.526 --> 0:13:51.216 that and so were the ones that get all what 0:13:51.226 --> 0:13:53.836 time to get up. What is three o'clock really feel like? 0:13:54.026 --> 0:13:56.096 But there's a whole bank of people who are doing 0:13:56.096 --> 0:13:59.276 exactly the same three s, and there's some who get 0:13:59.276 --> 0:14:00.036 up one 0:14:00.126 --> 0:14:03.346 who were in earlier than us who were getting together. 0:14:03.356 --> 0:14:06.626 What's the breaking news overnight? So for us to complain 0:14:06.626 --> 0:14:08.836 about what time we get up when there's when all 0:14:08.836 --> 0:14:11.836 of us get up as John Godly Hour, you know, 0:14:12.316 --> 0:14:14.706 not surprisingly, that wouldn't go down too well, so 0:14:14.716 --> 0:14:16.955 but you've got all these people. But ultimately, if a 0:14:16.956 --> 0:14:20.886 brief is wrong, if a question is lame, if something 0:14:20.886 --> 0:14:21.936 doesn't go right, 0:14:22.416 --> 0:14:22.836 it's You 0:14:22.836 --> 0:14:26.606 guys show absolutely, and we get those briefs and the 0:14:26.616 --> 0:14:29.186 briefs who always really good, but particularly when it comes 0:14:29.186 --> 0:14:31.196 to political interviews. 0:14:31.686 --> 0:14:32.236 I mean, 0:14:32.246 --> 0:14:34.736 how do you prepare Because you are very exacting, 0:14:36.486 --> 0:14:39.966 just very well prepared. Well, I just make sure I'm prepared. 0:14:39.976 --> 0:14:42.396 I mean, don't bother doing the job unless you What 0:14:42.396 --> 0:14:43.636 is the preparation look like? 0:14:44.316 --> 0:14:47.446 Well, read in the papers every day, watching sky news, 0:14:48.236 --> 0:14:51.316 watching 7 30 every night, watching Q and A. You know, 0:14:51.316 --> 0:14:55.636 just making sure at every turn that when there is 0:14:56.876 --> 0:15:00.146 a shift in the breeze, when there's there's nuances to 0:15:00.146 --> 0:15:03.366 the way the political landscape is looking your across it, 0:15:03.376 --> 0:15:05.076 you know why it's happened. You know who the main 0:15:05.076 --> 0:15:07.796 players are. You know what people are talking about. I 0:15:07.796 --> 0:15:11.496 listen to a lot of talk back radio. You just 0:15:11.496 --> 0:15:13.726 make sure that you know what's going on because in 0:15:13.726 --> 0:15:14.336 the end, 0:15:14.726 --> 0:15:16.965 I could go to bed at seven o'clock every night. 0:15:17.526 --> 0:15:19.596 But I might get a call at 10 PM saying 0:15:19.596 --> 0:15:22.475 you've got the prime minister tomorrow morning. And if I 0:15:22.476 --> 0:15:25.746 don't know what's happened between seven. PM when I've gone 0:15:25.746 --> 0:15:30.166 to bed and seven o'clock the next morning, that's 12 hours. 0:15:31.956 --> 0:15:33.436 How can you ever go? 0:15:33.826 --> 0:15:35.936 Okay, I'm going to look away for a minute 0:15:36.586 --> 0:15:39.336 and get some sleep. Like there's always something happening in 0:15:39.336 --> 0:15:40.056 the 24 hour news 0:15:40.056 --> 0:15:41.236 cycle. Yeah, there is. 0:15:42.026 --> 0:15:44.646 You just you just You gotta hedge your bets. You've 0:15:44.656 --> 0:15:46.226 just got to make sure that you're as up to 0:15:46.226 --> 0:15:49.796 date as you can possibly bay again. There's producers there 0:15:49.796 --> 0:15:52.576 in the morning who who might have caught something that 0:15:52.586 --> 0:15:53.436 you've missed. 0:15:53.926 --> 0:15:57.556 Ah, nde, you know, light lines coming back, which is 0:15:57.556 --> 0:15:59.816 a real bummer for me because quite often, 0:15:59.816 --> 0:16:01.676 but it's going to be 9. 30 at least, 0:16:01.686 --> 0:16:03.236 but least that help. 0:16:03.236 --> 0:16:07.006 Yeah, because how many of the questions that you ask 0:16:07.066 --> 0:16:10.536 are scripted and planned? And how many do you have? Teo, 0:16:11.026 --> 0:16:13.876 just take the temperature as the interview's happening. Live and 0:16:14.326 --> 0:16:14.836 attack. 0:16:15.486 --> 0:16:16.676 It's about 50 50 0:16:18.326 --> 0:16:20.086 because what you've got to do more than anything in 0:16:20.086 --> 0:16:22.376 a politically and political interview is listen, 0:16:23.426 --> 0:16:24.186 because what 0:16:24.186 --> 0:16:25.066 you listening for? 0:16:26.126 --> 0:16:27.766 Often slip ups, 0:16:29.526 --> 0:16:33.126 something that you know is going to resonate and hasn't 0:16:33.136 --> 0:16:37.036 been said before or somebody who's not across their brief 0:16:37.046 --> 0:16:39.236 or a change in policy. 0:16:39.726 --> 0:16:40.636 Or, 0:16:41.616 --> 0:16:42.036 I mean, 0:16:42.726 --> 0:16:44.436 I asked the prime minister at the end of last 0:16:44.436 --> 0:16:47.506 year what? He's great. His greatest achievement. Wass as minister 0:16:47.506 --> 0:16:49.766 for women. Now I could not have predicted that he 0:16:49.766 --> 0:16:50.246 would say 0:16:50.906 --> 0:16:52.876 the carbon tax getting rid of the carbon tax was 0:16:52.876 --> 0:16:55.636 his greatest achievement as minister. Women, I was expecting 0:16:56.096 --> 0:17:01.826 something on domestic violence or equal pay or women on boards. 0:17:01.926 --> 0:17:04.955 I would have thought there very gender specific, whereas 0:17:05.686 --> 0:17:06.696 don't I 0:17:07.346 --> 0:17:10.886 know it was just glorious. How did that question come about? 0:17:10.896 --> 0:17:13.166 Because 2 May had you written all over it 0:17:13.196 --> 0:17:15.856 because I looked. It was it was all to do 0:17:15.856 --> 0:17:20.846 with the cabinet reshuffle that the prime minister did back 0:17:20.846 --> 0:17:21.646 in early December, 0:17:22.426 --> 0:17:25.506 and I just looked at how many jobs had changed. 0:17:25.506 --> 0:17:27.806 And I thought, I wonder what happened with his role 0:17:27.806 --> 0:17:30.926 as minister for women? No, he's still got that portfolio 0:17:31.346 --> 0:17:34.036 and I was scratching my head, thinking, I'm trying to 0:17:34.036 --> 0:17:35.536 think of one 0:17:36.126 --> 0:17:39.616 word that I've heard him say in his capacity as 0:17:39.616 --> 0:17:42.396 minister for women. And I had a look online. I 0:17:42.396 --> 0:17:45.586 just couldn't find anything. I thought, Well, maybe he's hiding 0:17:45.586 --> 0:17:46.836 his light under a bushel. 0:17:47.236 --> 0:17:49.836 Let's let's see, it's done all the great work behind 0:17:49.836 --> 0:17:51.166 the scenes and not told anyone. 0:17:51.176 --> 0:17:54.076 Someone in the press office hasn't put out a press 0:17:54.076 --> 0:17:54.766 release on it. 0:17:56.416 --> 0:17:56.466 I 0:17:56.466 --> 0:18:00.526 mean, how that felt at the time, Just leading up 0:18:00.526 --> 0:18:02.836 to that question, Where do you place the question? 0:18:03.226 --> 0:18:05.536 He answers. Then how do you feel 0:18:07.626 --> 0:18:08.686 inside? Are you going 0:18:08.856 --> 0:18:11.746 well, You just You just know that this is going 0:18:11.746 --> 0:18:15.096 to make headlines because it was not the response I 0:18:15.096 --> 0:18:18.226 was expecting. I thought he would have bean well enough 0:18:18.226 --> 0:18:21.596 prepared because, of course, leading up to him becoming prime minister, 0:18:21.976 --> 0:18:26.336 there was all of this rhetoric about strong wife, strong daughters, 0:18:26.426 --> 0:18:27.976 strong chief of staff. 0:18:28.226 --> 0:18:31.536 This is a man who was surrounded by strong women, 0:18:32.226 --> 0:18:35.756 and yet somehow it doesn't therefore become a priority for 0:18:35.756 --> 0:18:39.976 him to make strong decisions about advancing the cause of 0:18:39.976 --> 0:18:44.066 women or at least fixing some of eels that still exists. 0:18:44.766 --> 0:18:47.436 Job there to be done. But he says carbon tax, 0:18:47.436 --> 0:18:48.246 and then what do you do? 0:18:49.016 --> 0:18:51.036 Where you going? I can't believe he just said that. 0:18:51.626 --> 0:18:52.536 Is that what you're thinking? 0:18:52.546 --> 0:18:55.146 You can let that lie, because it 0:18:56.066 --> 0:18:57.646 it says everything you need to know. 0:18:59.026 --> 0:19:01.036 And then I let Social Media takeover 0:19:01.206 --> 0:19:03.416 on. You knew that it was going to go now. 0:19:05.026 --> 0:19:07.246 And did he know? What's it like at the end 0:19:07.246 --> 0:19:08.336 of an interview like that? 0:19:08.346 --> 0:19:13.086 Well, he stumbled. Yeah. Hey, didn't see the question coming. 0:19:13.096 --> 0:19:15.036 He didn't have a prepared answer 0:19:17.246 --> 0:19:18.226 and he wouldn't have 0:19:18.226 --> 0:19:20.856 been expecting it. And so then when when you threw 0:19:20.856 --> 0:19:22.996 the commercial break or whatever, What happened? 0:19:23.726 --> 0:19:24.896