Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mia Friedman and welcome to a very special
Speaker 1: episode off No philtre a podcast. Siri's were I checked
Speaker 1: interesting people about their careers, their families and their lives.
Speaker 1: It's an open, honest one on one conversation that has
Speaker 1: zero philtre a lot like my mouth
Speaker 1: Thiss week on the podcast. I speak to Lisa Wilkinson,
Speaker 1: co host of The Today Show, one of Australia's most
Speaker 1: respected journalists and my Dear Friend, a 21. Lisa became
Speaker 1: the youngest ever editor of Dolly magazine and went on
Speaker 1: to edit Cleo on Become its international editor in chief
Speaker 1: before moving into television on No Philtre. I chat to
Speaker 1: her about two AM starts
Speaker 1: the changing nature of women's magazines in Australia
Speaker 1: on the hardest part about interviewing the prime minister.
Speaker 1: Please, I would describe us as refugees from magazines in
Speaker 1: terms of we were very happy in our homelands once.
Speaker 1: Then we set sail, I think, probably clear on Dolly
Speaker 1: will close in the next couple of years, and I
Speaker 1: don't say that to be a smart ass or anything.
Speaker 1: I just think that print is in a really difficult time,
Speaker 1: particularly print for young women. Here's the new F issue
Speaker 1: of Cleo and makes you feel old when you don't
Speaker 1: even know who's on the cover.
Speaker 1: Who is that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But I don't know what they're going
Speaker 2: through a phase at the moment off doing models or
Speaker 2: she supermodel.
Speaker 1: I don't really think I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what what
Speaker 2: I will. You will not get me. I know you're
Speaker 2: not trying to do that, but you will not get
Speaker 2: me bagging this publication only because this publication
Speaker 2: was so crucial
Speaker 2: to the emancipation of Australian women. It was such a
Speaker 2: significant publication
Speaker 2: when it came out in 1972. I mean, we are
Speaker 2: talking really about the only form
Speaker 1: ofthe heaviest media
Speaker 2: for women in this country that talked everything from women's
Speaker 2: political rights to their rights in the home, too.
Speaker 2: The fact that they should go out there and be
Speaker 2: everything that they want to be in recession, do what
Speaker 2: they want t be their own person. And so to
Speaker 2: have edited that magazine for 10 years between 85 95
Speaker 2: is one of my greatest moments off pride professionally because
Speaker 2: it it was a magazine,
Speaker 2: a publication of form of media in this country
Speaker 2: that was an agent for change. And to have been
Speaker 2: part of that process is an incredible thing. And also
Speaker 2: to have worked with so many incredibly talented women such
Speaker 2: as yourself, who were good times. There were great times and,
Speaker 2: you know, it's still it's still something that
Speaker 2: puts a smile on my face. So
Speaker 2: if and when that magazine closes and Dolly as well,
Speaker 2: because that was where I got my start in the media.
Speaker 2: It will be a really, really sad
Speaker 1: day you've got. It will be a really sad day
Speaker 1: and maybe it will never come. You've got a teenage
Speaker 1: daughter now.
Speaker 1: What does she look at?
Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't it? She didn't read Dolly. I think
Speaker 2: she sort of came across it
Speaker 2: in passing. Where's for May and possibly for you. It
Speaker 2: was my Bible. It
Speaker 1: was lifeline. It was
Speaker 2: everything I knew which day it was coming out. I
Speaker 2: knew what time it was going to land at the newsagent,
Speaker 2: and I thumbed through that magazine. I
Speaker 2: I bled for that magazine every month, and I still
Speaker 2: have
Speaker 2: every single copy I ever bought, and I can pick
Speaker 2: an issue up and I could remember how old I wass.
Speaker 2: I remember the things that resin and those covers. I
Speaker 2: remember the clothes that I was desperate to, hopefully one
Speaker 2: day where
Speaker 2: you know, it was all about
Speaker 2: having
Speaker 2: something that you could really trust is a teenager that
Speaker 2: was
Speaker 2: that was your confidante and was even a better friend
Speaker 2: than maybe best
Speaker 1: friend. So, do you think Facebook's that now for teenage girls?
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not on Facebook
Speaker 1: or of a that for each other, like just because
Speaker 1: they could be connected 24 7.
Speaker 2: What I do know is that the sort of
Speaker 2: places of refuge that existed
Speaker 2: when I was a teenager don't exist with the same
Speaker 2: power
Speaker 2: that
Speaker 2: that they
Speaker 2: that they do now. Sorry that they did. Then Look,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm very aware having having three kids, the
Speaker 2: last of whom is our daughter, Billie, who's 17,
Speaker 2: having been a TTE, the forefront ofthe bringing up Children
Speaker 2: who are going through the Internet explosion and the Facebook
Speaker 2: explosion and the influences of social media.
Speaker 2: It was a real learning curve for May, and everyone
Speaker 2: who was doing it at the same time and I
Speaker 2: think we've made a few mistakes along the way. I
Speaker 2: think way thought when our kids said to us, You know,
Speaker 2: I'll just be in my room doing my math work
Speaker 2: because school says that I have to have access to
Speaker 2: the Internet
Speaker 2: in order. Teo,
Speaker 2: The truth is, if you put your teenage child and
Speaker 2: younger because I mean we see babies in cafes on
Speaker 2: ipads for hours at a time, being entertained.
Speaker 2: If you make your child from a very young age
Speaker 2: so dependent on screen entertainment, you are really setting yourself
Speaker 2: up for a fall. And this is a
Speaker 1: social entertainment. What you do,
Speaker 1: we're not holding your phone now. Are you removed from
Speaker 1: your phone or do you live by the screen? Well,
Speaker 2: well, phone is now a ll communication with work, communication
Speaker 2: with the kids and all of that. It's But there's
Speaker 2: a difference between just living a 21st century life that
Speaker 2: you can get through if if you're a busy parent,
Speaker 2: a busy professional,
Speaker 2: there's a difference between being practical and being completely dependent
Speaker 2: on DH. I try and be independent. I don't always
Speaker 2: succeed because it is. It is very compelling. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can waste hours on YouTube beacon, waste hours, Converse
Speaker 2: ing on Twitter, and you can do all of that.
Speaker 2: Fortunately, I didn't get the Facebook addiction. I think that's
Speaker 2: possibly a case of self preservation. And also, you know,
Speaker 2: Australia gets 3.5 hours of me every day. I don't
Speaker 2: think they need Mohr of me on Facebook,
Speaker 2: but
Speaker 2: it sze bean. A huge learning curve is apparent to
Speaker 2: take three kids through that, but
Speaker 2: my caution retail to other parents. I don't judge other parents.
Speaker 2: It's their call how they want to bring up their
Speaker 2: kids in the 21st century. But
Speaker 2: if you allow your child
Speaker 2: tohave a computer in their bedroom with the door closed
Speaker 2: and you're not
Speaker 2: and you're not monitoring that you are basically allowing the
Speaker 2: world outside to dig a hole into your child's bedroom.
Speaker 2: And that, for me is a cautionary tale when we
Speaker 2: all have Teo
Speaker 2: parent, the way we see fit. But I would just
Speaker 2: if anybody can sort of see this as a moment off.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'm not monitoring as much as I should.
Speaker 2: I think it can really lose touch with your kids.
Speaker 2: The great irony, of course, is
Speaker 2: we've got so many ways to communicate now. And yet
Speaker 2: our one on one into personal
Speaker 2: level of communication has never bean
Speaker 2: Maur skewed away from being able to actually
Speaker 1: communicate face to face. Exactly. You made the transition obviously
Speaker 1: not in your twenties but in your forties to TV
Speaker 1: after print
Speaker 1: after having the best job in the world, the one
Speaker 1: where you get to interview the prime minister one day
Speaker 1: and even on the same day. Mind to sing the
Speaker 1: sound of music That was a highlight for May.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it was for someone.
Speaker 1: How do you look past that and come down from that? Like,
Speaker 1: what happens? What does look like life look like on
Speaker 1: the other side of today? Show? Because presumably you'll stop
Speaker 1: doing it At some stage. You'll get Jack a bit
Speaker 1: and you know what I can to make it 83
Speaker 1: e I will not let you be Helen Gurley Brown
Speaker 1: e really want not e gave fishnet tights and leopard print?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 1: What does it look like on the other side, like travel?
Speaker 1: Does it look like
Speaker 2: I have no idea I'd never,
Speaker 2: ever, And you know me well enough to know this
Speaker 2: is the truth. I've never had a five year plan.
Speaker 2: You never have. Just I've have been incredibly fortunate that
Speaker 2: every job I've ever had I've just loved, and that
Speaker 2: includes my very first job, which was being sales assistant
Speaker 2: wrenches shoe store in Campbelltown, wrenches to Thursday night and
Speaker 2: Saturday mornings.
Speaker 2: I've never had a job I didn't love
Speaker 2: going in to do.
Speaker 2: And so I've never looked beyond what I'm doing every day.
Speaker 2: I just want to know that every day I go
Speaker 2: to work and I learn something new, I get something
Speaker 2: out of it. I enjoy being with my colleagues. I'm
Speaker 2: the best professional person. Aiken Gay and I have a laugh.
Speaker 1: And how do you shift? You've had cast changes, old
Speaker 1: lineup changes on the Today show. It's such an intimate thing.
Speaker 1: It must pay
Speaker 1: anyone that you with it for in the morning and
Speaker 1: doing that much live TV you must have very close
Speaker 1: relationships with when that shifts and you know George's Left
Speaker 1: and Bends left In the last six months, Tim's coming
Speaker 1: and Sylvia's coming. Has that changed?
Speaker 1: The dynamic has that re energised it? Does everyone have
Speaker 1: to learn each other's rhythms? What's it Hasn't changed. Has
Speaker 1: it changed your delivery?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. I mean,
Speaker 2: ultimately,
Speaker 2: my closest relationship is always going to be with Carl
Speaker 2: because you know, there's that two shot every single day,
Speaker 2: and so
Speaker 2: we know each other so well. Now way. No, the
Speaker 2: days when
Speaker 2: when one's not having an off day, but one's got
Speaker 2: more energy than the other. And it's a completely unspoken thing,
Speaker 2: and we just rise and lived for. And it's not
Speaker 2: even that you didn't you didn't deliver today. So you know,
Speaker 2: I get to have my dad
Speaker 1: thiss new Army Wednesday because I caught you on Monday.
Speaker 2: There is no point scoring. It's just when you're doing
Speaker 2: it 3.5 hours a day, five days a week.
Speaker 2: We get six weeks off years of 46 weeks off
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 2: You're just aware that you're human and you know that
Speaker 2: that comes with
Speaker 2: different levels of energy on any given day. But it'll
Speaker 2: balances out, and ultimately we trust each other implicitly. We
Speaker 2: know each other's strengths and weaknesses,
Speaker 2: and we just we enjoy each other
Speaker 2: both personally and professionally, and we really appreciate the differences
Speaker 2: in what we
Speaker 1: bring each bring to the. It is a lot like
Speaker 1: a marriage on DH because she said that about him
Speaker 1: and Mel Doyle, and I guess
Speaker 1: by that definition he's on to his second wife. But
Speaker 1: wait.
Speaker 1: With marriage and a long term relationship, you go through
Speaker 1: phases where you cannot stand. The way the person blinks,
Speaker 1: the way they breathe makes you want to kill them,
Speaker 1: and you get through that or you get it watch.
Speaker 1: But usually you get through that, and that's what marriage is.
Speaker 1: Is it the same with the relationship? A coworker relationship
Speaker 1: that's that intimate like you go through. This particular thing
Speaker 1: he does is driving me crazy.
Speaker 1: But you have to get through it because you got
Speaker 1: to keep working with HR.
Speaker 2: I can honestly say no because I think I think
Speaker 2: what really life marriages came to Bob down in is
Speaker 2: different styles of parenting. And you know that the challenges
Speaker 2: that can come with teenagers that try and divide and
Speaker 2: conquer over whether or not you did your fair share
Speaker 2: of the washing up, sex up. Six.
Speaker 2: Whether you're leaving dirty towels on the floor. Who changed
Speaker 2: the toilet roll holder most recently or not at all,
Speaker 1: or not since 1985. Somebody somebody
Speaker 2: favourite doesn't just magically. So you get bogged down in
Speaker 2: the domestics and that Khun get in the way off.
Speaker 2: You know the romance of a marriage, whereas, you know,
Speaker 2: Carla night separate at the end of every show on DH,
Speaker 2: then we come back together every day. And so it's,
Speaker 2: you know, it's almost the ideal marriage because you have
Speaker 2: all of the fun. You have all of the respect.
Speaker 2: You have all of thesis of professional camaraderie.
Speaker 2: But nobody's fighting about who took out the garbage last
Speaker 2: Monday night.
Speaker 1: What about the role of the executive producer? Because you've
Speaker 1: had you had Tom alone? You've now got Mark Albert.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting sort of a three way because there's
Speaker 1: you on Carl, who are the hosts in the front
Speaker 1: of house. Then there's the AP, who most people would
Speaker 1: never have heard off
Speaker 1: how much input to the hosts have as to what
Speaker 1: goes to air and how much does someone have to
Speaker 1: drive the bus
Speaker 1: and make that final decision and it's not you.
Speaker 2: Well, let's just set the record straight here. Carl and
Speaker 2: I are just out the front. There is a whole
Speaker 2: team that put together the show.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a cast of how big is the team? Well,
Speaker 2: it depends on how far you want to go to
Speaker 2: back of house, because we've got, of course, our executive producer,
Speaker 2: associate producers, supervising producers, then the whole team off producers
Speaker 2: who are putting together the briefs every single day
Speaker 2: on DH. Then you've got a ll the crew, they're
Speaker 2: on the floor. Then you've
Speaker 2: You've got all of the people who dip in and
Speaker 2: out of the various channel line shows who are part
Speaker 2: of the support structure that put the show to air
Speaker 1: of how a person marketing and hair make up. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: that and so were the ones that get all what
Speaker 2: time to get up. What is three o'clock really feel like?
Speaker 2: But there's a whole bank of people who are doing
Speaker 2: exactly the same three s, and there's some who get
Speaker 2: up one
Speaker 2: who were in earlier than us who were getting together.
Speaker 2: What's the breaking news overnight? So for us to complain
Speaker 2: about what time we get up when there's when all
Speaker 2: of us get up as John Godly Hour, you know,
Speaker 2: not surprisingly, that wouldn't go down too well, so
Speaker 1: but you've got all these people. But ultimately, if a
Speaker 1: brief is wrong, if a question is lame, if something
Speaker 1: doesn't go right,
Speaker 1: it's You
Speaker 2: guys show absolutely, and we get those briefs and the
Speaker 2: briefs who always really good, but particularly when it comes
Speaker 2: to political interviews.
Speaker 2: I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you prepare Because you are very exacting,
Speaker 2: just very well prepared. Well, I just make sure I'm prepared.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't bother doing the job unless you What
Speaker 1: is the preparation look like?
Speaker 2: Well, read in the papers every day, watching sky news,
Speaker 2: watching 7 30 every night, watching Q and A. You know,
Speaker 2: just making sure at every turn that when there is
Speaker 2: a shift in the breeze, when there's there's nuances to
Speaker 2: the way the political landscape is looking your across it,
Speaker 2: you know why it's happened. You know who the main
Speaker 2: players are. You know what people are talking about. I
Speaker 2: listen to a lot of talk back radio. You just
Speaker 2: make sure that you know what's going on because in
Speaker 2: the end,
Speaker 2: I could go to bed at seven o'clock every night.
Speaker 2: But I might get a call at 10 PM saying
Speaker 2: you've got the prime minister tomorrow morning. And if I
Speaker 2: don't know what's happened between seven. PM when I've gone
Speaker 2: to bed and seven o'clock the next morning, that's 12 hours.
Speaker 1: How can you ever go?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to look away for a minute
Speaker 1: and get some sleep. Like there's always something happening in
Speaker 1: the 24 hour news
Speaker 2: cycle. Yeah, there is.
Speaker 2: You just you just You gotta hedge your bets. You've
Speaker 2: just got to make sure that you're as up to
Speaker 2: date as you can possibly bay again. There's producers there
Speaker 2: in the morning who who might have caught something that
Speaker 2: you've missed.
Speaker 2: Ah, nde, you know, light lines coming back, which is
Speaker 2: a real bummer for me because quite often,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be 9. 30 at least,
Speaker 2: but least that help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because how many of the questions that you ask
Speaker 1: are scripted and planned? And how many do you have? Teo,
Speaker 1: just take the temperature as the interview's happening. Live and
Speaker 1: attack.
Speaker 1: It's about 50 50
Speaker 2: because what you've got to do more than anything in
Speaker 2: a politically and political interview is listen,
Speaker 1: because what
Speaker 2: you listening for?
Speaker 2: Often slip ups,
Speaker 2: something that you know is going to resonate and hasn't
Speaker 2: been said before or somebody who's not across their brief
Speaker 2: or a change in policy.
Speaker 2: Or,
Speaker 2: I mean,
Speaker 2: I asked the prime minister at the end of last
Speaker 2: year what? He's great. His greatest achievement. Wass as minister
Speaker 2: for women. Now I could not have predicted that he
Speaker 2: would say
Speaker 2: the carbon tax getting rid of the carbon tax was
Speaker 2: his greatest achievement as minister. Women, I was expecting
Speaker 2: something on domestic violence or equal pay or women on boards.
Speaker 2: I would have thought there very gender specific, whereas
Speaker 2: don't I
Speaker 1: know it was just glorious. How did that question come about?
Speaker 1: Because 2 May had you written all over it
Speaker 2: because I looked. It was it was all to do
Speaker 2: with the cabinet reshuffle that the prime minister did back
Speaker 2: in early December,
Speaker 2: and I just looked at how many jobs had changed.
Speaker 2: And I thought, I wonder what happened with his role
Speaker 2: as minister for women? No, he's still got that portfolio
Speaker 2: and I was scratching my head, thinking, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of one
Speaker 2: word that I've heard him say in his capacity as
Speaker 2: minister for women. And I had a look online. I
Speaker 2: just couldn't find anything. I thought, Well, maybe he's hiding
Speaker 2: his light under a bushel.
Speaker 1: Let's let's see, it's done all the great work behind
Speaker 1: the scenes and not told anyone.
Speaker 2: Someone in the press office hasn't put out a press
Speaker 2: release on it.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 1: mean, how that felt at the time, Just leading up
Speaker 1: to that question, Where do you place the question?
Speaker 1: He answers. Then how do you feel
Speaker 1: inside? Are you going
Speaker 2: well, You just You just know that this is going
Speaker 2: to make headlines because it was not the response I
Speaker 2: was expecting. I thought he would have bean well enough
Speaker 2: prepared because, of course, leading up to him becoming prime minister,
Speaker 2: there was all of this rhetoric about strong wife, strong daughters,
Speaker 2: strong chief of staff.
Speaker 2: This is a man who was surrounded by strong women,
Speaker 2: and yet somehow it doesn't therefore become a priority for
Speaker 2: him to make strong decisions about advancing the cause of
Speaker 2: women or at least fixing some of eels that still exists.
Speaker 1: Job there to be done. But he says carbon tax,
Speaker 1: and then what do you do?
Speaker 1: Where you going? I can't believe he just said that.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 2: You can let that lie, because it
Speaker 2: it says everything you need to know.
Speaker 2: And then I let Social Media takeover
Speaker 1: on. You knew that it was going to go now.
Speaker 1: And did he know? What's it like at the end
Speaker 1: of an interview like that?
Speaker 2: Well, he stumbled. Yeah. Hey, didn't see the question coming.
Speaker 2: He didn't have a prepared answer
Speaker 2: and he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been expecting it. And so then when when you threw
Speaker 1: the commercial break or whatever, What happened?
Speaker 2: I said to Sylvia
Speaker 1: that What did you say to him? Did he go
Speaker 1: our Thanks, Lisa. Goodbye. Well, it was just rusty after that.
Speaker 1: It was
Speaker 2: towards the end of the year. You get certainly get
Speaker 2: frosty responses. And I finished off by
Speaker 2: saying, You know, you're always up for an interview, and
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that with
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott. He's always available for interview with us, and
Speaker 2: you know, there's plenty of politicians that say no,
Speaker 1: they won't talk to women's media
Speaker 1: won't talk to us. A lot of promises for the elections.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I can help you
Speaker 1: put in a good word.
Speaker 1: This's a bit of a weird question, but
Speaker 1: when you got the today show,
Speaker 1: Pete was probably had. At that time, your husband had
Speaker 1: a higher profile
Speaker 1: in your marriage. You've bean. You are an absolute icon.
Speaker 1: Two women who had followed you through magazines and you
Speaker 1: certainly had a profile. But he was the former Wallaby.
Speaker 1: He was all of those things. And then you got
Speaker 1: the today show and now you are a superstar,
Speaker 1: and why you have been nominated for a Golden Globe
Speaker 1: is a travesty. And we've got to do something about that,
Speaker 1: my friend, and it's showing we're going to fix this
Speaker 1: shit issue. Getyou nominal anyway.
Speaker 1: How's that?
Speaker 1: Two big media people in one marriage is a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I work with my husband, but he's not
Speaker 1: front of house.
Speaker 1: How does that work?
Speaker 1: You've been together 20 years more.
Speaker 2: I can honestly say it's not something we think about
Speaker 1: Way
Speaker 2: live, A very
Speaker 2: you know, sort of suburban family life. You know, we
Speaker 2: don't go to a lot of red carpet things way
Speaker 2: go to things that would matter to us like charity
Speaker 2: events that were supporting.
Speaker 2: But apart from that way with our kids,
Speaker 1: Do you still additonal books?
Speaker 2: I haven't been able to do it in more recent
Speaker 2: times are still obviously
Speaker 2: advise you about the writing process is
Speaker 1: very involved in each other's careers, and you always very
Speaker 1: involved in you watch each other stuff. I know each
Speaker 1: other advice always
Speaker 2: And that's, you know, Tio,
Speaker 2: I know that you've got somebody at home who totally
Speaker 2: has your back and has given you good advice in
Speaker 2: the past. Doesn't mean I always follow it, nor nor
Speaker 2: he mine
Speaker 2: But you. No way.
Speaker 2: We have so many things in common and always have
Speaker 2: and tow have professions
Speaker 2: that on and career parts that have been very similar
Speaker 2: away long
Speaker 2: has probably helped a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just we're really suburban were really boring,
Speaker 2: but
Speaker 1: I guess I wanted what I was getting at is Mohr.
Speaker 1: How do you work out who takes priority because you've
Speaker 1: both got extraordinarily demanding jobs and you've you've had three
Speaker 1: kids and just some life has to go on,
Speaker 1: He's got the book deadline. You've got to be in L. A.
Speaker 1: Or Perth or wherever it has to bay.
Speaker 1: How do you manage your lives that part of your life? Well,
Speaker 1: we compare
Speaker 2: diaries a lot. That's kind of crucial.
Speaker 2: But with Billy doing her you 12 exams this year,
Speaker 2: way talk to her at the beginning of the year
Speaker 2: because of our three kids. She is definitely the most
Speaker 2: focused on her accuracy. Absolutely. Our boys doing their ecstasy
Speaker 2: was like dragging them backwards through wet sand.
Speaker 2: And Billy is focused and
Speaker 2: hard working
Speaker 2: and
Speaker 2: therefore stressed. And so we started down the beginning of
Speaker 2: the What can we do to help you through this?
Speaker 2: And she said, What I want more than anything
Speaker 2: is every night to be able to sit down
Speaker 2: to a home cooked meal and talk to you both
Speaker 2: on DSO.
Speaker 2: So far, we're in March, and, you know, since she's
Speaker 2: been back at school, we've been doing that. And Pete,
Speaker 2: God love him has discovered cooking. Has he? He's discovered
Speaker 1: he could turn down a
Speaker 2: hook. The only time I've ever seen Pete Cook was
Speaker 2: when he was suddenly a contestant on
Speaker 2: Celebrity master share that about well, that was about cocoa.
Speaker 2: For about two months.
Speaker 2: We had a ban on toast. We had cooking that
Speaker 2: ice cream. We had the lot.
Speaker 2: But I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, we just
Speaker 2: She's out last. She
Speaker 1: cooks dinner
Speaker 2: Well, he's been cooking dinner a lot, and what I've
Speaker 2: been telling him for years is cooking is not that hard.
Speaker 2: Try those 30 recipe books that we've got sitting on
Speaker 2: the steps is he's discovered. How is it is and
Speaker 2: I've always cooked and I like cooking. But when you're
Speaker 1: always drudgery
Speaker 2: Thie only one sees the mess after the cooking.
Speaker 2: You know, that could make for a great marital spat.
Speaker 2: And it's amazing how
Speaker 2: attention has dropped because Billy feels like she gets a
Speaker 2: parent's every single night way, said to her Way into you.
Speaker 2: We sit down, we have a home cooked meal. Obviously,
Speaker 2: there's nights when sun lights his home
Speaker 1: here in the Oscars, You here. You know, that night
Speaker 1: I had to go to the Oscars, but
Speaker 2: that's that's the plan. Tto have a plan is the
Speaker 2: main thing, and to mostly stick to it.
Speaker 1: Is it because I asked you to do something thiss
Speaker 1: year and you said
Speaker 1: we've committed,
Speaker 1: yes, but I had my that.
Speaker 2: She's she's number one. So
Speaker 1: we do something for me next
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Speaker 2: there's a camera on us right now. Wei didn't say that.
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