1 00:00:08,126 --> 00:00:11,326 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mia Friedman and welcome to a very special 2 00:00:11,326 --> 00:00:14,695 Speaker 1: episode off No philtre a podcast. Siri's were I checked 3 00:00:14,706 --> 00:00:18,766 Speaker 1: interesting people about their careers, their families and their lives. 4 00:00:19,126 --> 00:00:22,256 Speaker 1: It's an open, honest one on one conversation that has 5 00:00:22,266 --> 00:00:24,836 Speaker 1: zero philtre a lot like my mouth 6 00:00:25,326 --> 00:00:28,126 Speaker 1: Thiss week on the podcast. I speak to Lisa Wilkinson, 7 00:00:28,526 --> 00:00:31,246 Speaker 1: co host of The Today Show, one of Australia's most 8 00:00:31,246 --> 00:00:35,486 Speaker 1: respected journalists and my Dear Friend, a 21. Lisa became 9 00:00:35,486 --> 00:00:38,516 Speaker 1: the youngest ever editor of Dolly magazine and went on 10 00:00:38,516 --> 00:00:41,556 Speaker 1: to edit Cleo on Become its international editor in chief 11 00:00:41,565 --> 00:00:44,885 Speaker 1: before moving into television on No Philtre. I chat to 12 00:00:44,885 --> 00:00:46,376 Speaker 1: her about two AM starts 13 00:00:46,645 --> 00:00:49,035 Speaker 1: the changing nature of women's magazines in Australia 14 00:00:49,425 --> 00:00:52,355 Speaker 1: on the hardest part about interviewing the prime minister. 15 00:00:54,826 --> 00:00:59,295 Speaker 1: Please, I would describe us as refugees from magazines in 16 00:00:59,296 --> 00:01:02,136 Speaker 1: terms of we were very happy in our homelands once. 17 00:01:02,726 --> 00:01:06,246 Speaker 1: Then we set sail, I think, probably clear on Dolly 18 00:01:06,246 --> 00:01:08,276 Speaker 1: will close in the next couple of years, and I 19 00:01:08,276 --> 00:01:10,516 Speaker 1: don't say that to be a smart ass or anything. 20 00:01:10,516 --> 00:01:12,506 Speaker 1: I just think that print is in a really difficult time, 21 00:01:12,506 --> 00:01:15,736 Speaker 1: particularly print for young women. Here's the new F issue 22 00:01:15,736 --> 00:01:17,666 Speaker 1: of Cleo and makes you feel old when you don't 23 00:01:17,666 --> 00:01:18,736 Speaker 1: even know who's on the cover. 24 00:01:19,626 --> 00:01:20,976 Speaker 1: Who is that? I don't know. 25 00:01:21,526 --> 00:01:23,236 Speaker 2: I don't know. But I don't know what they're going 26 00:01:23,236 --> 00:01:25,786 Speaker 2: through a phase at the moment off doing models or 27 00:01:26,146 --> 00:01:27,056 Speaker 2: she supermodel. 28 00:01:27,066 --> 00:01:29,926 Speaker 1: I don't really think I don't know. I don't know 29 00:01:30,516 --> 00:01:31,386 Speaker 1: what what 30 00:01:31,386 --> 00:01:33,456 Speaker 2: I will. You will not get me. I know you're 31 00:01:33,456 --> 00:01:35,436 Speaker 2: not trying to do that, but you will not get 32 00:01:35,436 --> 00:01:40,935 Speaker 2: me bagging this publication only because this publication 33 00:01:41,126 --> 00:01:42,736 Speaker 2: was so crucial 34 00:01:43,126 --> 00:01:46,326 Speaker 2: to the emancipation of Australian women. It was such a 35 00:01:46,326 --> 00:01:48,236 Speaker 2: significant publication 36 00:01:48,626 --> 00:01:50,786 Speaker 2: when it came out in 1972. I mean, we are 37 00:01:50,786 --> 00:01:53,206 Speaker 2: talking really about the only form 38 00:01:53,216 --> 00:01:54,706 Speaker 1: ofthe heaviest media 39 00:01:54,716 --> 00:02:00,046 Speaker 2: for women in this country that talked everything from women's 40 00:02:00,046 --> 00:02:04,096 Speaker 2: political rights to their rights in the home, too. 41 00:02:04,326 --> 00:02:06,926 Speaker 2: The fact that they should go out there and be 42 00:02:06,936 --> 00:02:09,956 Speaker 2: everything that they want to be in recession, do what 43 00:02:09,956 --> 00:02:13,046 Speaker 2: they want t be their own person. And so to 44 00:02:13,046 --> 00:02:18,786 Speaker 2: have edited that magazine for 10 years between 85 95 45 00:02:19,025 --> 00:02:25,656 Speaker 2: is one of my greatest moments off pride professionally because 46 00:02:25,655 --> 00:02:27,435 Speaker 2: it it was a magazine, 47 00:02:27,625 --> 00:02:30,036 Speaker 2: a publication of form of media in this country 48 00:02:30,326 --> 00:02:33,046 Speaker 2: that was an agent for change. And to have been 49 00:02:33,046 --> 00:02:36,775 Speaker 2: part of that process is an incredible thing. And also 50 00:02:36,775 --> 00:02:41,766 Speaker 2: to have worked with so many incredibly talented women such 51 00:02:41,766 --> 00:02:46,696 Speaker 2: as yourself, who were good times. There were great times and, 52 00:02:46,706 --> 00:02:49,936 Speaker 2: you know, it's still it's still something that 53 00:02:50,326 --> 00:02:52,236 Speaker 2: puts a smile on my face. So 54 00:02:52,796 --> 00:02:55,715 Speaker 2: if and when that magazine closes and Dolly as well, 55 00:02:55,715 --> 00:02:58,236 Speaker 2: because that was where I got my start in the media. 56 00:02:58,826 --> 00:03:01,345 Speaker 2: It will be a really, really sad 57 00:03:01,356 --> 00:03:03,856 Speaker 1: day you've got. It will be a really sad day 58 00:03:04,046 --> 00:03:06,456 Speaker 1: and maybe it will never come. You've got a teenage 59 00:03:06,456 --> 00:03:07,125 Speaker 1: daughter now. 60 00:03:08,125 --> 00:03:09,236 Speaker 1: What does she look at? 61 00:03:10,696 --> 00:03:13,535 Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't it? She didn't read Dolly. I think 62 00:03:13,536 --> 00:03:15,035 Speaker 2: she sort of came across it 63 00:03:16,226 --> 00:03:19,445 Speaker 2: in passing. Where's for May and possibly for you. It 64 00:03:19,446 --> 00:03:20,425 Speaker 2: was my Bible. It 65 00:03:20,425 --> 00:03:22,195 Speaker 1: was lifeline. It was 66 00:03:22,206 --> 00:03:24,666 Speaker 2: everything I knew which day it was coming out. I 67 00:03:24,666 --> 00:03:27,686 Speaker 2: knew what time it was going to land at the newsagent, 68 00:03:27,696 --> 00:03:32,036 Speaker 2: and I thumbed through that magazine. I 69 00:03:32,226 --> 00:03:35,196 Speaker 2: I bled for that magazine every month, and I still 70 00:03:35,196 --> 00:03:35,676 Speaker 2: have 71 00:03:35,916 --> 00:03:39,336 Speaker 2: every single copy I ever bought, and I can pick 72 00:03:39,336 --> 00:03:41,796 Speaker 2: an issue up and I could remember how old I wass. 73 00:03:41,796 --> 00:03:44,336 Speaker 2: I remember the things that resin and those covers. I 74 00:03:44,346 --> 00:03:47,976 Speaker 2: remember the clothes that I was desperate to, hopefully one 75 00:03:47,976 --> 00:03:48,736 Speaker 2: day where 76 00:03:49,326 --> 00:03:51,135 Speaker 2: you know, it was all about 77 00:03:51,826 --> 00:03:52,736 Speaker 2: having 78 00:03:53,416 --> 00:03:56,656 Speaker 2: something that you could really trust is a teenager that 79 00:03:56,656 --> 00:03:57,135 Speaker 2: was 80 00:03:57,786 --> 00:04:01,005 Speaker 2: that was your confidante and was even a better friend 81 00:04:01,006 --> 00:04:01,726 Speaker 2: than maybe best 82 00:04:01,726 --> 00:04:05,136 Speaker 1: friend. So, do you think Facebook's that now for teenage girls? 83 00:04:05,926 --> 00:04:07,146 Speaker 2: Look, I'm not on Facebook 84 00:04:07,156 --> 00:04:10,046 Speaker 1: or of a that for each other, like just because 85 00:04:10,046 --> 00:04:11,906 Speaker 1: they could be connected 24 7. 86 00:04:11,916 --> 00:04:16,036 Speaker 2: What I do know is that the sort of 87 00:04:16,476 --> 00:04:19,286 Speaker 2: places of refuge that existed 88 00:04:20,026 --> 00:04:23,536 Speaker 2: when I was a teenager don't exist with the same 89 00:04:24,126 --> 00:04:24,835 Speaker 2: power 90 00:04:25,426 --> 00:04:25,836 Speaker 2: that 91 00:04:26,276 --> 00:04:26,835 Speaker 2: that they 92 00:04:27,626 --> 00:04:32,056 Speaker 2: that they do now. Sorry that they did. Then Look, 93 00:04:32,056 --> 00:04:36,656 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm very aware having having three kids, the 94 00:04:36,666 --> 00:04:39,436 Speaker 2: last of whom is our daughter, Billie, who's 17, 95 00:04:39,825 --> 00:04:43,646 Speaker 2: having been a TTE, the forefront ofthe bringing up Children 96 00:04:43,656 --> 00:04:47,476 Speaker 2: who are going through the Internet explosion and the Facebook 97 00:04:47,476 --> 00:04:50,635 Speaker 2: explosion and the influences of social media. 98 00:04:51,726 --> 00:04:54,186 Speaker 2: It was a real learning curve for May, and everyone 99 00:04:54,186 --> 00:04:57,116 Speaker 2: who was doing it at the same time and I 100 00:04:57,116 --> 00:04:59,416 Speaker 2: think we've made a few mistakes along the way. I 101 00:04:59,416 --> 00:05:03,176 Speaker 2: think way thought when our kids said to us, You know, 102 00:05:03,176 --> 00:05:05,576 Speaker 2: I'll just be in my room doing my math work 103 00:05:05,575 --> 00:05:08,026 Speaker 2: because school says that I have to have access to 104 00:05:08,026 --> 00:05:08,636 Speaker 2: the Internet 105 00:05:08,906 --> 00:05:12,336 Speaker 2: in order. Teo, 106 00:05:12,846 --> 00:05:17,146 Speaker 2: The truth is, if you put your teenage child and 107 00:05:17,156 --> 00:05:20,826 Speaker 2: younger because I mean we see babies in cafes on 108 00:05:20,825 --> 00:05:24,536 Speaker 2: ipads for hours at a time, being entertained. 109 00:05:25,296 --> 00:05:28,325 Speaker 2: If you make your child from a very young age 110 00:05:28,526 --> 00:05:33,646 Speaker 2: so dependent on screen entertainment, you are really setting yourself 111 00:05:33,646 --> 00:05:34,796 Speaker 2: up for a fall. And this is a 112 00:05:34,796 --> 00:05:40,036 Speaker 1: social entertainment. What you do, 113 00:05:40,815 --> 00:05:43,106 Speaker 1: we're not holding your phone now. Are you removed from 114 00:05:43,106 --> 00:05:45,726 Speaker 1: your phone or do you live by the screen? Well, 115 00:05:45,736 --> 00:05:51,265 Speaker 2: well, phone is now a ll communication with work, communication 116 00:05:51,265 --> 00:05:53,266 Speaker 2: with the kids and all of that. It's But there's 117 00:05:53,265 --> 00:05:56,595 Speaker 2: a difference between just living a 21st century life that 118 00:05:56,596 --> 00:06:00,336 Speaker 2: you can get through if if you're a busy parent, 119 00:06:00,426 --> 00:06:01,876 Speaker 2: a busy professional, 120 00:06:02,406 --> 00:06:07,505 Speaker 2: there's a difference between being practical and being completely dependent 121 00:06:07,936 --> 00:06:10,926 Speaker 2: on DH. I try and be independent. I don't always 122 00:06:10,926 --> 00:06:14,666 Speaker 2: succeed because it is. It is very compelling. I mean, 123 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:18,205 Speaker 2: you can waste hours on YouTube beacon, waste hours, Converse 124 00:06:18,206 --> 00:06:20,336 Speaker 2: ing on Twitter, and you can do all of that. 125 00:06:20,526 --> 00:06:23,455 Speaker 2: Fortunately, I didn't get the Facebook addiction. I think that's 126 00:06:23,825 --> 00:06:27,676 Speaker 2: possibly a case of self preservation. And also, you know, 127 00:06:27,896 --> 00:06:30,916 Speaker 2: Australia gets 3.5 hours of me every day. I don't 128 00:06:30,916 --> 00:06:34,436 Speaker 2: think they need Mohr of me on Facebook, 129 00:06:34,825 --> 00:06:35,436 Speaker 2: but 130 00:06:36,126 --> 00:06:40,405 Speaker 2: it sze bean. A huge learning curve is apparent to 131 00:06:40,575 --> 00:06:43,736 Speaker 2: take three kids through that, but 132 00:06:44,126 --> 00:06:47,386 Speaker 2: my caution retail to other parents. I don't judge other parents. 133 00:06:47,385 --> 00:06:49,086 Speaker 2: It's their call how they want to bring up their 134 00:06:49,086 --> 00:06:51,936 Speaker 2: kids in the 21st century. But 135 00:06:52,526 --> 00:06:54,136 Speaker 2: if you allow your child 136 00:06:54,726 --> 00:06:57,896 Speaker 2: tohave a computer in their bedroom with the door closed 137 00:06:57,996 --> 00:06:58,666 Speaker 2: and you're not 138 00:06:59,626 --> 00:07:03,166 Speaker 2: and you're not monitoring that you are basically allowing the 139 00:07:03,166 --> 00:07:06,276 Speaker 2: world outside to dig a hole into your child's bedroom. 140 00:07:06,536 --> 00:07:09,366 Speaker 2: And that, for me is a cautionary tale when we 141 00:07:09,366 --> 00:07:10,035 Speaker 2: all have Teo 142 00:07:10,496 --> 00:07:13,095 Speaker 2: parent, the way we see fit. But I would just 143 00:07:13,096 --> 00:07:16,676 Speaker 2: if anybody can sort of see this as a moment off. 144 00:07:16,776 --> 00:07:19,116 Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'm not monitoring as much as I should. 145 00:07:19,126 --> 00:07:21,736 Speaker 2: I think it can really lose touch with your kids. 146 00:07:21,926 --> 00:07:23,746 Speaker 2: The great irony, of course, is 147 00:07:24,326 --> 00:07:27,786 Speaker 2: we've got so many ways to communicate now. And yet 148 00:07:27,796 --> 00:07:29,736 Speaker 2: our one on one into personal 149 00:07:30,316 --> 00:07:33,196 Speaker 2: level of communication has never bean 150 00:07:34,396 --> 00:07:38,186 Speaker 2: Maur skewed away from being able to actually 151 00:07:38,386 --> 00:07:42,986 Speaker 1: communicate face to face. Exactly. You made the transition obviously 152 00:07:44,126 --> 00:07:46,936 Speaker 1: not in your twenties but in your forties to TV 153 00:07:47,046 --> 00:07:48,036 Speaker 1: after print 154 00:07:48,926 --> 00:07:51,406 Speaker 1: after having the best job in the world, the one 155 00:07:51,406 --> 00:07:53,606 Speaker 1: where you get to interview the prime minister one day 156 00:07:53,616 --> 00:07:57,046 Speaker 1: and even on the same day. Mind to sing the 157 00:07:57,046 --> 00:07:59,636 Speaker 1: sound of music That was a highlight for May. 158 00:08:00,126 --> 00:08:01,536 Speaker 2: I'm glad it was for someone. 159 00:08:02,016 --> 00:08:05,396 Speaker 1: How do you look past that and come down from that? Like, 160 00:08:05,396 --> 00:08:08,976 Speaker 1: what happens? What does look like life look like on 161 00:08:08,976 --> 00:08:11,256 Speaker 1: the other side of today? Show? Because presumably you'll stop 162 00:08:11,256 --> 00:08:13,736 Speaker 1: doing it At some stage. You'll get Jack a bit 163 00:08:14,326 --> 00:08:16,386 Speaker 1: and you know what I can to make it 83 164 00:08:17,526 --> 00:08:20,056 Speaker 1: e I will not let you be Helen Gurley Brown 165 00:08:20,066 --> 00:08:25,836 Speaker 1: e really want not e gave fishnet tights and leopard print? 166 00:08:27,226 --> 00:08:27,636 Speaker 1: What? 167 00:08:28,426 --> 00:08:31,186 Speaker 1: What does it look like on the other side, like travel? 168 00:08:31,186 --> 00:08:32,136 Speaker 1: Does it look like 169 00:08:32,776 --> 00:08:35,136 Speaker 2: I have no idea I'd never, 170 00:08:35,726 --> 00:08:38,655 Speaker 2: ever, And you know me well enough to know this 171 00:08:38,655 --> 00:08:40,295 Speaker 2: is the truth. I've never had a five year plan. 172 00:08:40,295 --> 00:08:44,326 Speaker 2: You never have. Just I've have been incredibly fortunate that 173 00:08:44,326 --> 00:08:47,045 Speaker 2: every job I've ever had I've just loved, and that 174 00:08:47,045 --> 00:08:50,446 Speaker 2: includes my very first job, which was being sales assistant 175 00:08:50,456 --> 00:08:54,086 Speaker 2: wrenches shoe store in Campbelltown, wrenches to Thursday night and 176 00:08:54,086 --> 00:08:55,236 Speaker 2: Saturday mornings. 177 00:08:56,795 --> 00:09:00,136 Speaker 2: I've never had a job I didn't love 178 00:09:00,626 --> 00:09:02,136 Speaker 2: going in to do. 179 00:09:03,776 --> 00:09:06,486 Speaker 2: And so I've never looked beyond what I'm doing every day. 180 00:09:06,486 --> 00:09:08,185 Speaker 2: I just want to know that every day I go 181 00:09:08,186 --> 00:09:10,876 Speaker 2: to work and I learn something new, I get something 182 00:09:10,876 --> 00:09:14,646 Speaker 2: out of it. I enjoy being with my colleagues. I'm 183 00:09:14,746 --> 00:09:18,035 Speaker 2: the best professional person. Aiken Gay and I have a laugh. 184 00:09:18,226 --> 00:09:21,326 Speaker 1: And how do you shift? You've had cast changes, old 185 00:09:21,326 --> 00:09:23,776 Speaker 1: lineup changes on the Today show. It's such an intimate thing. 186 00:09:23,776 --> 00:09:24,436 Speaker 1: It must pay 187 00:09:24,926 --> 00:09:27,616 Speaker 1: anyone that you with it for in the morning and 188 00:09:27,616 --> 00:09:31,006 Speaker 1: doing that much live TV you must have very close 189 00:09:31,006 --> 00:09:35,746 Speaker 1: relationships with when that shifts and you know George's Left 190 00:09:35,756 --> 00:09:38,415 Speaker 1: and Bends left In the last six months, Tim's coming 191 00:09:38,415 --> 00:09:40,236 Speaker 1: and Sylvia's coming. Has that changed? 192 00:09:40,996 --> 00:09:44,126 Speaker 1: The dynamic has that re energised it? Does everyone have 193 00:09:44,126 --> 00:09:46,766 Speaker 1: to learn each other's rhythms? What's it Hasn't changed. Has 194 00:09:46,766 --> 00:09:47,986 Speaker 1: it changed your delivery? 195 00:09:47,996 --> 00:09:49,136 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. I mean, 196 00:09:49,526 --> 00:09:50,555 Speaker 2: ultimately, 197 00:09:51,116 --> 00:09:54,496 Speaker 2: my closest relationship is always going to be with Carl 198 00:09:54,496 --> 00:09:57,786 Speaker 2: because you know, there's that two shot every single day, 199 00:09:57,785 --> 00:09:58,336 Speaker 2: and so 200 00:09:58,726 --> 00:10:03,156 Speaker 2: we know each other so well. Now way. No, the 201 00:10:03,155 --> 00:10:03,935 Speaker 2: days when 202 00:10:04,426 --> 00:10:07,956 Speaker 2: when one's not having an off day, but one's got 203 00:10:07,956 --> 00:10:11,655 Speaker 2: more energy than the other. And it's a completely unspoken thing, 204 00:10:11,655 --> 00:10:16,006 Speaker 2: and we just rise and lived for. And it's not 205 00:10:16,006 --> 00:10:19,636 Speaker 2: even that you didn't you didn't deliver today. So you know, 206 00:10:19,826 --> 00:10:21,195 Speaker 2: I get to have my dad 207 00:10:21,206 --> 00:10:25,986 Speaker 1: thiss new Army Wednesday because I caught you on Monday. 208 00:10:26,236 --> 00:10:29,256 Speaker 2: There is no point scoring. It's just when you're doing 209 00:10:29,256 --> 00:10:32,936 Speaker 2: it 3.5 hours a day, five days a week. 210 00:10:33,426 --> 00:10:36,516 Speaker 2: We get six weeks off years of 46 weeks off 211 00:10:36,526 --> 00:10:37,136 Speaker 2: a year. 212 00:10:37,726 --> 00:10:41,816 Speaker 2: You're just aware that you're human and you know that 213 00:10:41,826 --> 00:10:42,736 Speaker 2: that comes with 214 00:10:43,336 --> 00:10:46,706 Speaker 2: different levels of energy on any given day. But it'll 215 00:10:46,706 --> 00:10:50,925 Speaker 2: balances out, and ultimately we trust each other implicitly. We 216 00:10:50,926 --> 00:10:52,835 Speaker 2: know each other's strengths and weaknesses, 217 00:10:53,306 --> 00:10:56,536 Speaker 2: and we just we enjoy each other 218 00:10:56,926 --> 00:11:01,146 Speaker 2: both personally and professionally, and we really appreciate the differences 219 00:11:01,155 --> 00:11:02,036 Speaker 2: in what we 220 00:11:02,045 --> 00:11:04,266 Speaker 1: bring each bring to the. It is a lot like 221 00:11:04,266 --> 00:11:08,555 Speaker 1: a marriage on DH because she said that about him 222 00:11:08,556 --> 00:11:10,656 Speaker 1: and Mel Doyle, and I guess 223 00:11:11,326 --> 00:11:13,636 Speaker 1: by that definition he's on to his second wife. But 224 00:11:16,126 --> 00:11:16,336 Speaker 1: wait. 225 00:11:16,826 --> 00:11:19,815 Speaker 1: With marriage and a long term relationship, you go through 226 00:11:19,816 --> 00:11:22,346 Speaker 1: phases where you cannot stand. The way the person blinks, 227 00:11:22,405 --> 00:11:25,006 Speaker 1: the way they breathe makes you want to kill them, 228 00:11:25,016 --> 00:11:26,686 Speaker 1: and you get through that or you get it watch. 229 00:11:26,696 --> 00:11:29,086 Speaker 1: But usually you get through that, and that's what marriage is. 230 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:33,136 Speaker 1: Is it the same with the relationship? A coworker relationship 231 00:11:33,136 --> 00:11:36,666 Speaker 1: that's that intimate like you go through. This particular thing 232 00:11:36,665 --> 00:11:38,636 Speaker 1: he does is driving me crazy. 233 00:11:38,726 --> 00:11:40,216 Speaker 1: But you have to get through it because you got 234 00:11:40,216 --> 00:11:41,336 Speaker 1: to keep working with HR. 235 00:11:41,926 --> 00:11:44,616 Speaker 2: I can honestly say no because I think I think 236 00:11:44,626 --> 00:11:48,446 Speaker 2: what really life marriages came to Bob down in is 237 00:11:48,456 --> 00:11:52,536 Speaker 2: different styles of parenting. And you know that the challenges 238 00:11:52,535 --> 00:11:55,035 Speaker 2: that can come with teenagers that try and divide and 239 00:11:55,035 --> 00:11:58,426 Speaker 2: conquer over whether or not you did your fair share 240 00:11:58,426 --> 00:12:00,656 Speaker 2: of the washing up, sex up. Six. 241 00:12:00,926 --> 00:12:04,295 Speaker 2: Whether you're leaving dirty towels on the floor. Who changed 242 00:12:04,295 --> 00:12:06,975 Speaker 2: the toilet roll holder most recently or not at all, 243 00:12:07,806 --> 00:12:12,126 Speaker 1: or not since 1985. Somebody somebody 244 00:12:12,996 --> 00:12:16,826 Speaker 2: favourite doesn't just magically. So you get bogged down in 245 00:12:16,826 --> 00:12:20,736 Speaker 2: the domestics and that Khun get in the way off. 246 00:12:21,126 --> 00:12:24,545 Speaker 2: You know the romance of a marriage, whereas, you know, 247 00:12:24,556 --> 00:12:28,716 Speaker 2: Carla night separate at the end of every show on DH, 248 00:12:28,716 --> 00:12:31,226 Speaker 2: then we come back together every day. And so it's, 249 00:12:31,366 --> 00:12:34,516 Speaker 2: you know, it's almost the ideal marriage because you have 250 00:12:34,516 --> 00:12:36,386 Speaker 2: all of the fun. You have all of the respect. 251 00:12:36,386 --> 00:12:40,736 Speaker 2: You have all of thesis of professional camaraderie. 252 00:12:41,026 --> 00:12:43,496 Speaker 2: But nobody's fighting about who took out the garbage last 253 00:12:43,496 --> 00:12:44,236 Speaker 2: Monday night. 254 00:12:44,626 --> 00:12:47,236 Speaker 1: What about the role of the executive producer? Because you've 255 00:12:47,236 --> 00:12:51,636 Speaker 1: had you had Tom alone? You've now got Mark Albert. 256 00:12:52,295 --> 00:12:54,856 Speaker 1: It's an interesting sort of a three way because there's 257 00:12:54,856 --> 00:12:56,656 Speaker 1: you on Carl, who are the hosts in the front 258 00:12:56,665 --> 00:12:59,506 Speaker 1: of house. Then there's the AP, who most people would 259 00:12:59,506 --> 00:13:00,436 Speaker 1: never have heard off 260 00:13:01,226 --> 00:13:04,285 Speaker 1: how much input to the hosts have as to what 261 00:13:04,295 --> 00:13:06,826 Speaker 1: goes to air and how much does someone have to 262 00:13:06,826 --> 00:13:07,736 Speaker 1: drive the bus 263 00:13:08,726 --> 00:13:10,626 Speaker 1: and make that final decision and it's not you. 264 00:13:10,636 --> 00:13:13,315 Speaker 2: Well, let's just set the record straight here. Carl and 265 00:13:13,316 --> 00:13:16,285 Speaker 2: I are just out the front. There is a whole 266 00:13:16,295 --> 00:13:18,136 Speaker 2: team that put together the show. 267 00:13:18,526 --> 00:13:21,426 Speaker 2: You know, there's a cast of how big is the team? Well, 268 00:13:21,426 --> 00:13:23,555 Speaker 2: it depends on how far you want to go to 269 00:13:23,556 --> 00:13:26,686 Speaker 2: back of house, because we've got, of course, our executive producer, 270 00:13:26,686 --> 00:13:32,785 Speaker 2: associate producers, supervising producers, then the whole team off producers 271 00:13:32,785 --> 00:13:35,096 Speaker 2: who are putting together the briefs every single day 272 00:13:35,426 --> 00:13:37,446 Speaker 2: on DH. Then you've got a ll the crew, they're 273 00:13:37,446 --> 00:13:38,636 Speaker 2: on the floor. Then you've 274 00:13:38,826 --> 00:13:40,795 Speaker 2: You've got all of the people who dip in and 275 00:13:40,795 --> 00:13:43,555 Speaker 2: out of the various channel line shows who are part 276 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:45,616 Speaker 2: of the support structure that put the show to air 277 00:13:45,616 --> 00:13:48,526 Speaker 1: of how a person marketing and hair make up. Yeah, well, 278 00:13:48,526 --> 00:13:51,216 Speaker 2: that and so were the ones that get all what 279 00:13:51,226 --> 00:13:53,836 Speaker 2: time to get up. What is three o'clock really feel like? 280 00:13:54,026 --> 00:13:56,096 Speaker 2: But there's a whole bank of people who are doing 281 00:13:56,096 --> 00:13:59,276 Speaker 2: exactly the same three s, and there's some who get 282 00:13:59,276 --> 00:14:00,036 Speaker 2: up one 283 00:14:00,126 --> 00:14:03,346 Speaker 2: who were in earlier than us who were getting together. 284 00:14:03,356 --> 00:14:06,626 Speaker 2: What's the breaking news overnight? So for us to complain 285 00:14:06,626 --> 00:14:08,836 Speaker 2: about what time we get up when there's when all 286 00:14:08,836 --> 00:14:11,836 Speaker 2: of us get up as John Godly Hour, you know, 287 00:14:12,316 --> 00:14:14,706 Speaker 2: not surprisingly, that wouldn't go down too well, so 288 00:14:14,716 --> 00:14:16,955 Speaker 1: but you've got all these people. But ultimately, if a 289 00:14:16,956 --> 00:14:20,886 Speaker 1: brief is wrong, if a question is lame, if something 290 00:14:20,886 --> 00:14:21,936 Speaker 1: doesn't go right, 291 00:14:22,416 --> 00:14:22,836 Speaker 1: it's You 292 00:14:22,836 --> 00:14:26,606 Speaker 2: guys show absolutely, and we get those briefs and the 293 00:14:26,616 --> 00:14:29,186 Speaker 2: briefs who always really good, but particularly when it comes 294 00:14:29,186 --> 00:14:31,196 Speaker 2: to political interviews. 295 00:14:31,686 --> 00:14:32,236 Speaker 2: I mean, 296 00:14:32,246 --> 00:14:34,736 Speaker 1: how do you prepare Because you are very exacting, 297 00:14:36,486 --> 00:14:39,966 Speaker 2: just very well prepared. Well, I just make sure I'm prepared. 298 00:14:39,976 --> 00:14:42,396 Speaker 2: I mean, don't bother doing the job unless you What 299 00:14:42,396 --> 00:14:43,636 Speaker 1: is the preparation look like? 300 00:14:44,316 --> 00:14:47,446 Speaker 2: Well, read in the papers every day, watching sky news, 301 00:14:48,236 --> 00:14:51,316 Speaker 2: watching 7 30 every night, watching Q and A. You know, 302 00:14:51,316 --> 00:14:55,636 Speaker 2: just making sure at every turn that when there is 303 00:14:56,876 --> 00:15:00,146 Speaker 2: a shift in the breeze, when there's there's nuances to 304 00:15:00,146 --> 00:15:03,366 Speaker 2: the way the political landscape is looking your across it, 305 00:15:03,376 --> 00:15:05,076 Speaker 2: you know why it's happened. You know who the main 306 00:15:05,076 --> 00:15:07,796 Speaker 2: players are. You know what people are talking about. I 307 00:15:07,796 --> 00:15:11,496 Speaker 2: listen to a lot of talk back radio. You just 308 00:15:11,496 --> 00:15:13,726 Speaker 2: make sure that you know what's going on because in 309 00:15:13,726 --> 00:15:14,336 Speaker 2: the end, 310 00:15:14,726 --> 00:15:16,965 Speaker 2: I could go to bed at seven o'clock every night. 311 00:15:17,526 --> 00:15:19,596 Speaker 2: But I might get a call at 10 PM saying 312 00:15:19,596 --> 00:15:22,475 Speaker 2: you've got the prime minister tomorrow morning. And if I 313 00:15:22,476 --> 00:15:25,746 Speaker 2: don't know what's happened between seven. PM when I've gone 314 00:15:25,746 --> 00:15:30,166 Speaker 2: to bed and seven o'clock the next morning, that's 12 hours. 315 00:15:31,956 --> 00:15:33,436 Speaker 1: How can you ever go? 316 00:15:33,826 --> 00:15:35,936 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to look away for a minute 317 00:15:36,586 --> 00:15:39,336 Speaker 1: and get some sleep. Like there's always something happening in 318 00:15:39,336 --> 00:15:40,056 Speaker 1: the 24 hour news 319 00:15:40,056 --> 00:15:41,236 Speaker 2: cycle. Yeah, there is. 320 00:15:42,026 --> 00:15:44,646 Speaker 2: You just you just You gotta hedge your bets. You've 321 00:15:44,656 --> 00:15:46,226 Speaker 2: just got to make sure that you're as up to 322 00:15:46,226 --> 00:15:49,796 Speaker 2: date as you can possibly bay again. There's producers there 323 00:15:49,796 --> 00:15:52,576 Speaker 2: in the morning who who might have caught something that 324 00:15:52,586 --> 00:15:53,436 Speaker 2: you've missed. 325 00:15:53,926 --> 00:15:57,556 Speaker 2: Ah, nde, you know, light lines coming back, which is 326 00:15:57,556 --> 00:15:59,816 Speaker 2: a real bummer for me because quite often, 327 00:15:59,816 --> 00:16:01,676 Speaker 1: but it's going to be 9. 30 at least, 328 00:16:01,686 --> 00:16:03,236 Speaker 2: but least that help. 329 00:16:03,236 --> 00:16:07,006 Speaker 1: Yeah, because how many of the questions that you ask 330 00:16:07,066 --> 00:16:10,536 Speaker 1: are scripted and planned? And how many do you have? Teo, 331 00:16:11,026 --> 00:16:13,876 Speaker 1: just take the temperature as the interview's happening. Live and 332 00:16:14,326 --> 00:16:14,836 Speaker 1: attack. 333 00:16:15,486 --> 00:16:16,676 Speaker 1: It's about 50 50 334 00:16:18,326 --> 00:16:20,086 Speaker 2: because what you've got to do more than anything in 335 00:16:20,086 --> 00:16:22,376 Speaker 2: a politically and political interview is listen, 336 00:16:23,426 --> 00:16:24,186 Speaker 1: because what 337 00:16:24,186 --> 00:16:25,066 Speaker 2: you listening for? 338 00:16:26,126 --> 00:16:27,766 Speaker 2: Often slip ups, 339 00:16:29,526 --> 00:16:33,126 Speaker 2: something that you know is going to resonate and hasn't 340 00:16:33,136 --> 00:16:37,036 Speaker 2: been said before or somebody who's not across their brief 341 00:16:37,046 --> 00:16:39,236 Speaker 2: or a change in policy. 342 00:16:39,726 --> 00:16:40,636 Speaker 2: Or, 343 00:16:41,616 --> 00:16:42,036 Speaker 2: I mean, 344 00:16:42,726 --> 00:16:44,436 Speaker 2: I asked the prime minister at the end of last 345 00:16:44,436 --> 00:16:47,506 Speaker 2: year what? He's great. His greatest achievement. Wass as minister 346 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:49,766 Speaker 2: for women. Now I could not have predicted that he 347 00:16:49,766 --> 00:16:50,246 Speaker 2: would say 348 00:16:50,906 --> 00:16:52,876 Speaker 2: the carbon tax getting rid of the carbon tax was 349 00:16:52,876 --> 00:16:55,636 Speaker 2: his greatest achievement as minister. Women, I was expecting 350 00:16:56,096 --> 00:17:01,826 Speaker 2: something on domestic violence or equal pay or women on boards. 351 00:17:01,926 --> 00:17:04,955 Speaker 2: I would have thought there very gender specific, whereas 352 00:17:05,686 --> 00:17:06,696 Speaker 2: don't I 353 00:17:07,346 --> 00:17:10,886 Speaker 1: know it was just glorious. How did that question come about? 354 00:17:10,896 --> 00:17:13,166 Speaker 1: Because 2 May had you written all over it 355 00:17:13,196 --> 00:17:15,856 Speaker 2: because I looked. It was it was all to do 356 00:17:15,856 --> 00:17:20,846 Speaker 2: with the cabinet reshuffle that the prime minister did back 357 00:17:20,846 --> 00:17:21,646 Speaker 2: in early December, 358 00:17:22,426 --> 00:17:25,506 Speaker 2: and I just looked at how many jobs had changed. 359 00:17:25,506 --> 00:17:27,806 Speaker 2: And I thought, I wonder what happened with his role 360 00:17:27,806 --> 00:17:30,926 Speaker 2: as minister for women? No, he's still got that portfolio 361 00:17:31,346 --> 00:17:34,036 Speaker 2: and I was scratching my head, thinking, I'm trying to 362 00:17:34,036 --> 00:17:35,536 Speaker 2: think of one 363 00:17:36,126 --> 00:17:39,616 Speaker 2: word that I've heard him say in his capacity as 364 00:17:39,616 --> 00:17:42,396 Speaker 2: minister for women. And I had a look online. I 365 00:17:42,396 --> 00:17:45,586 Speaker 2: just couldn't find anything. I thought, Well, maybe he's hiding 366 00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:46,836 Speaker 2: his light under a bushel. 367 00:17:47,236 --> 00:17:49,836 Speaker 1: Let's let's see, it's done all the great work behind 368 00:17:49,836 --> 00:17:51,166 Speaker 1: the scenes and not told anyone. 369 00:17:51,176 --> 00:17:54,076 Speaker 2: Someone in the press office hasn't put out a press 370 00:17:54,076 --> 00:17:54,766 Speaker 2: release on it. 371 00:17:56,416 --> 00:17:56,466 Speaker 2: I 372 00:17:56,466 --> 00:18:00,526 Speaker 1: mean, how that felt at the time, Just leading up 373 00:18:00,526 --> 00:18:02,836 Speaker 1: to that question, Where do you place the question? 374 00:18:03,226 --> 00:18:05,536 Speaker 1: He answers. Then how do you feel 375 00:18:07,626 --> 00:18:08,686 Speaker 1: inside? Are you going 376 00:18:08,856 --> 00:18:11,746 Speaker 2: well, You just You just know that this is going 377 00:18:11,746 --> 00:18:15,096 Speaker 2: to make headlines because it was not the response I 378 00:18:15,096 --> 00:18:18,226 Speaker 2: was expecting. I thought he would have bean well enough 379 00:18:18,226 --> 00:18:21,596 Speaker 2: prepared because, of course, leading up to him becoming prime minister, 380 00:18:21,976 --> 00:18:26,336 Speaker 2: there was all of this rhetoric about strong wife, strong daughters, 381 00:18:26,426 --> 00:18:27,976 Speaker 2: strong chief of staff. 382 00:18:28,226 --> 00:18:31,536 Speaker 2: This is a man who was surrounded by strong women, 383 00:18:32,226 --> 00:18:35,756 Speaker 2: and yet somehow it doesn't therefore become a priority for 384 00:18:35,756 --> 00:18:39,976 Speaker 2: him to make strong decisions about advancing the cause of 385 00:18:39,976 --> 00:18:44,066 Speaker 2: women or at least fixing some of eels that still exists. 386 00:18:44,766 --> 00:18:47,436 Speaker 1: Job there to be done. But he says carbon tax, 387 00:18:47,436 --> 00:18:48,246 Speaker 1: and then what do you do? 388 00:18:49,016 --> 00:18:51,036 Speaker 1: Where you going? I can't believe he just said that. 389 00:18:51,626 --> 00:18:52,536 Speaker 1: Is that what you're thinking? 390 00:18:52,546 --> 00:18:55,146 Speaker 2: You can let that lie, because it 391 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:57,646 Speaker 2: it says everything you need to know. 392 00:18:59,026 --> 00:19:01,036 Speaker 2: And then I let Social Media takeover 393 00:19:01,206 --> 00:19:03,416 Speaker 1: on. You knew that it was going to go now. 394 00:19:05,026 --> 00:19:07,246 Speaker 1: And did he know? What's it like at the end 395 00:19:07,246 --> 00:19:08,336 Speaker 1: of an interview like that? 396 00:19:08,346 --> 00:19:13,086 Speaker 2: Well, he stumbled. Yeah. Hey, didn't see the question coming. 397 00:19:13,096 --> 00:19:15,036 Speaker 2: He didn't have a prepared answer 398 00:19:17,246 --> 00:19:18,226 Speaker 2: and he wouldn't have 399 00:19:18,226 --> 00:19:20,856 Speaker 1: been expecting it. And so then when when you threw 400 00:19:20,856 --> 00:19:22,996 Speaker 1: the commercial break or whatever, What happened? 401 00:19:23,726 --> 00:19:24,896 Speaker 2: I said to Sylvia 402 00:19:24,896 --> 00:19:26,636 Speaker 1: that What did you say to him? Did he go 403 00:19:26,636 --> 00:19:31,326 Speaker 1: our Thanks, Lisa. Goodbye. Well, it was just rusty after that. 404 00:19:31,336 --> 00:19:31,776 Speaker 1: It was 405 00:19:31,776 --> 00:19:34,026 Speaker 2: towards the end of the year. You get certainly get 406 00:19:34,036 --> 00:19:36,646 Speaker 2: frosty responses. And I finished off by 407 00:19:37,406 --> 00:19:40,286 Speaker 2: saying, You know, you're always up for an interview, and 408 00:19:40,296 --> 00:19:42,336 Speaker 2: I really appreciate that with 409 00:19:42,726 --> 00:19:48,346 Speaker 2: Tony Abbott. He's always available for interview with us, and 410 00:19:48,346 --> 00:19:50,246 Speaker 2: you know, there's plenty of politicians that say no, 411 00:19:51,456 --> 00:19:52,936 Speaker 1: they won't talk to women's media 412 00:19:53,726 --> 00:19:57,246 Speaker 1: won't talk to us. A lot of promises for the elections. 413 00:19:57,626 --> 00:19:59,286 Speaker 2: I don't know that I can help you 414 00:19:59,316 --> 00:20:00,476 Speaker 1: put in a good word. 415 00:20:01,726 --> 00:20:03,836 Speaker 1: This's a bit of a weird question, but 416 00:20:04,526 --> 00:20:06,936 Speaker 1: when you got the today show, 417 00:20:08,026 --> 00:20:12,746 Speaker 1: Pete was probably had. At that time, your husband had 418 00:20:12,746 --> 00:20:13,746 Speaker 1: a higher profile 419 00:20:14,216 --> 00:20:17,536 Speaker 1: in your marriage. You've bean. You are an absolute icon. 420 00:20:18,086 --> 00:20:21,206 Speaker 1: Two women who had followed you through magazines and you 421 00:20:21,206 --> 00:20:25,406 Speaker 1: certainly had a profile. But he was the former Wallaby. 422 00:20:25,406 --> 00:20:27,266 Speaker 1: He was all of those things. And then you got 423 00:20:27,266 --> 00:20:29,836 Speaker 1: the today show and now you are a superstar, 424 00:20:30,726 --> 00:20:32,606 Speaker 1: and why you have been nominated for a Golden Globe 425 00:20:32,616 --> 00:20:35,136 Speaker 1: is a travesty. And we've got to do something about that, 426 00:20:35,146 --> 00:20:37,536 Speaker 1: my friend, and it's showing we're going to fix this 427 00:20:37,536 --> 00:20:39,836 Speaker 1: shit issue. Getyou nominal anyway. 428 00:20:40,526 --> 00:20:41,246 Speaker 1: How's that? 429 00:20:42,196 --> 00:20:45,106 Speaker 1: Two big media people in one marriage is a lot. 430 00:20:45,426 --> 00:20:47,436 Speaker 1: I mean, I work with my husband, but he's not 431 00:20:47,826 --> 00:20:48,786 Speaker 1: front of house. 432 00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:50,936 Speaker 1: How does that work? 433 00:20:52,226 --> 00:20:54,536 Speaker 1: You've been together 20 years more. 434 00:20:55,326 --> 00:20:57,776 Speaker 2: I can honestly say it's not something we think about 435 00:20:57,786 --> 00:21:00,126 Speaker 1: Way 436 00:21:00,126 --> 00:21:01,836 Speaker 2: live, A very 437 00:21:02,426 --> 00:21:06,826 Speaker 2: you know, sort of suburban family life. You know, we 438 00:21:06,826 --> 00:21:09,766 Speaker 2: don't go to a lot of red carpet things way 439 00:21:09,766 --> 00:21:13,286 Speaker 2: go to things that would matter to us like charity 440 00:21:13,296 --> 00:21:15,836 Speaker 2: events that were supporting. 441 00:21:16,326 --> 00:21:20,496 Speaker 2: But apart from that way with our kids, 442 00:21:20,636 --> 00:21:21,966 Speaker 1: Do you still additonal books? 443 00:21:22,726 --> 00:21:24,766 Speaker 2: I haven't been able to do it in more recent 444 00:21:24,766 --> 00:21:26,146 Speaker 2: times are still obviously 445 00:21:26,526 --> 00:21:28,606 Speaker 2: advise you about the writing process is 446 00:21:28,606 --> 00:21:31,366 Speaker 1: very involved in each other's careers, and you always very 447 00:21:31,366 --> 00:21:34,556 Speaker 1: involved in you watch each other stuff. I know each 448 00:21:34,556 --> 00:21:35,876 Speaker 1: other advice always 449 00:21:36,576 --> 00:21:38,436 Speaker 2: And that's, you know, Tio, 450 00:21:38,926 --> 00:21:42,076 Speaker 2: I know that you've got somebody at home who totally 451 00:21:42,076 --> 00:21:45,146 Speaker 2: has your back and has given you good advice in 452 00:21:45,146 --> 00:21:47,946 Speaker 2: the past. Doesn't mean I always follow it, nor nor 453 00:21:47,946 --> 00:21:48,836 Speaker 2: he mine 454 00:21:49,326 --> 00:21:51,746 Speaker 2: But you. No way. 455 00:21:52,306 --> 00:21:56,046 Speaker 2: We have so many things in common and always have 456 00:21:56,306 --> 00:21:59,266 Speaker 2: and tow have professions 457 00:21:59,826 --> 00:22:03,376 Speaker 2: that on and career parts that have been very similar 458 00:22:03,386 --> 00:22:04,336 Speaker 2: away long 459 00:22:04,726 --> 00:22:06,336 Speaker 2: has probably helped a lot. 460 00:22:08,606 --> 00:22:12,376 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just we're really suburban were really boring, 461 00:22:12,416 --> 00:22:12,646 Speaker 2: but 462 00:22:12,646 --> 00:22:15,176 Speaker 1: I guess I wanted what I was getting at is Mohr. 463 00:22:15,386 --> 00:22:18,366 Speaker 1: How do you work out who takes priority because you've 464 00:22:18,376 --> 00:22:21,686 Speaker 1: both got extraordinarily demanding jobs and you've you've had three 465 00:22:21,686 --> 00:22:24,596 Speaker 1: kids and just some life has to go on, 466 00:22:25,726 --> 00:22:28,576 Speaker 1: He's got the book deadline. You've got to be in L. A. 467 00:22:28,576 --> 00:22:31,246 Speaker 1: Or Perth or wherever it has to bay. 468 00:22:32,026 --> 00:22:35,486 Speaker 1: How do you manage your lives that part of your life? Well, 469 00:22:35,486 --> 00:22:36,006 Speaker 1: we compare 470 00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:39,246 Speaker 2: diaries a lot. That's kind of crucial. 471 00:22:39,626 --> 00:22:43,096 Speaker 2: But with Billy doing her you 12 exams this year, 472 00:22:43,276 --> 00:22:45,296 Speaker 2: way talk to her at the beginning of the year 473 00:22:45,296 --> 00:22:48,646 Speaker 2: because of our three kids. She is definitely the most 474 00:22:48,646 --> 00:22:52,926 Speaker 2: focused on her accuracy. Absolutely. Our boys doing their ecstasy 475 00:22:52,926 --> 00:22:55,066 Speaker 2: was like dragging them backwards through wet sand. 476 00:22:59,426 --> 00:23:01,876 Speaker 2: And Billy is focused and 477 00:23:02,526 --> 00:23:03,646 Speaker 2: hard working 478 00:23:04,226 --> 00:23:04,836 Speaker 2: and 479 00:23:05,626 --> 00:23:08,516 Speaker 2: therefore stressed. And so we started down the beginning of 480 00:23:08,516 --> 00:23:11,166 Speaker 2: the What can we do to help you through this? 481 00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:13,436 Speaker 2: And she said, What I want more than anything 482 00:23:13,876 --> 00:23:16,036 Speaker 2: is every night to be able to sit down 483 00:23:16,496 --> 00:23:19,786 Speaker 2: to a home cooked meal and talk to you both 484 00:23:20,156 --> 00:23:21,436 Speaker 2: on DSO. 485 00:23:22,006 --> 00:23:25,156 Speaker 2: So far, we're in March, and, you know, since she's 486 00:23:25,156 --> 00:23:27,326 Speaker 2: been back at school, we've been doing that. And Pete, 487 00:23:27,556 --> 00:23:31,206 Speaker 2: God love him has discovered cooking. Has he? He's discovered 488 00:23:31,226 --> 00:23:32,746 Speaker 1: he could turn down a 489 00:23:32,756 --> 00:23:35,236 Speaker 2: hook. The only time I've ever seen Pete Cook was 490 00:23:35,236 --> 00:23:37,296 Speaker 2: when he was suddenly a contestant on 491 00:23:37,536 --> 00:23:40,386 Speaker 2: Celebrity master share that about well, that was about cocoa. 492 00:23:40,396 --> 00:23:42,156 Speaker 2: For about two months. 493 00:23:43,226 --> 00:23:45,556 Speaker 2: We had a ban on toast. We had cooking that 494 00:23:45,566 --> 00:23:47,536 Speaker 2: ice cream. We had the lot. 495 00:23:48,396 --> 00:23:50,146 Speaker 2: But I mean, 496 00:23:51,026 --> 00:23:52,036 Speaker 2: you know, we just 497 00:23:52,426 --> 00:23:53,586 Speaker 2: She's out last. She 498 00:23:53,586 --> 00:23:54,746 Speaker 1: cooks dinner 499 00:23:55,626 --> 00:23:58,126 Speaker 2: Well, he's been cooking dinner a lot, and what I've 500 00:23:58,126 --> 00:24:01,016 Speaker 2: been telling him for years is cooking is not that hard. 501 00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:04,606 Speaker 2: Try those 30 recipe books that we've got sitting on 502 00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:07,806 Speaker 2: the steps is he's discovered. How is it is and 503 00:24:07,816 --> 00:24:11,156 Speaker 2: I've always cooked and I like cooking. But when you're 504 00:24:11,166 --> 00:24:12,386 Speaker 1: always drudgery 505 00:24:12,396 --> 00:24:16,526 Speaker 2: Thie only one sees the mess after the cooking. 506 00:24:16,926 --> 00:24:19,936 Speaker 2: You know, that could make for a great marital spat. 507 00:24:20,326 --> 00:24:21,836 Speaker 2: And it's amazing how 508 00:24:22,326 --> 00:24:25,096 Speaker 2: attention has dropped because Billy feels like she gets a 509 00:24:25,096 --> 00:24:29,756 Speaker 2: parent's every single night way, said to her Way into you. 510 00:24:29,756 --> 00:24:32,786 Speaker 2: We sit down, we have a home cooked meal. Obviously, 511 00:24:32,786 --> 00:24:34,476 Speaker 2: there's nights when sun lights his home 512 00:24:34,476 --> 00:24:37,976 Speaker 1: here in the Oscars, You here. You know, that night 513 00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:39,986 Speaker 1: I had to go to the Oscars, but 514 00:24:39,996 --> 00:24:43,086 Speaker 2: that's that's the plan. Tto have a plan is the 515 00:24:43,086 --> 00:24:44,866 Speaker 2: main thing, and to mostly stick to it. 516 00:24:45,126 --> 00:24:47,266 Speaker 1: Is it because I asked you to do something thiss 517 00:24:47,266 --> 00:24:48,246 Speaker 1: year and you said 518 00:24:48,826 --> 00:24:49,706 Speaker 1: we've committed, 519 00:24:51,226 --> 00:24:52,346 Speaker 1: yes, but I had my that. 520 00:24:52,346 --> 00:24:54,686 Speaker 2: She's she's number one. So 521 00:24:54,686 --> 00:24:55,726 Speaker 1: we do something for me next 522 00:24:55,726 --> 00:24:58,246 Speaker 2: year. Next year 523 00:25:00,146 --> 00:25:05,046 Speaker 1: E o called free flyers. We had all these women 524 00:25:05,046 --> 00:25:06,846 Speaker 1: in a nice don't call us empty nesters. It makes 525 00:25:06,846 --> 00:25:10,036 Speaker 1: a sound sad and lonely. And when not happy 526 00:25:10,126 --> 00:25:12,006 Speaker 1: and you know who are into last week is Deborah. 527 00:25:12,036 --> 00:25:12,536 Speaker 1: Lt's world, 528 00:25:12,626 --> 00:25:14,926 Speaker 1: and I like being an empty nester. And she said, No, 529 00:25:14,926 --> 00:25:18,186 Speaker 1: Richard and I can have loud sex all over the house. Okay, 530 00:25:18,466 --> 00:25:19,646 Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that. 531 00:25:20,486 --> 00:25:22,146 Speaker 2: And is that what she's doing? What she's doing 532 00:25:22,706 --> 00:25:24,436 Speaker 2: with Richard Glover's How good's 533 00:25:24,436 --> 00:25:25,436 Speaker 1: that? Well, 534 00:25:25,926 --> 00:25:26,556 Speaker 1: yes, 535 00:25:29,346 --> 00:25:32,146 Speaker 2: there's a camera on us right now. Wei didn't say that. 536 00:25:34,426 --> 00:25:37,076 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to no Philtre. 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