1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:30,144 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:30,184 --> 00:00:32,384 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 5 00:00:32,864 --> 00:00:35,544 Speaker 1: I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassanila Kitch. 6 00:00:35,664 --> 00:00:37,504 Speaker 2: And coming up on the show today, a very well 7 00:00:37,504 --> 00:00:40,104 Speaker 2: known star and a camp from the Pitch Perfect franchise 8 00:00:40,504 --> 00:00:43,024 Speaker 2: has made her debut with her new girlfriend, which was 9 00:00:43,144 --> 00:00:46,424 Speaker 2: very lovely. But people have some extreme thoughts on their 10 00:00:46,464 --> 00:00:49,184 Speaker 2: age gap, so we're going to get into that. Plus, 11 00:00:49,344 --> 00:00:52,744 Speaker 2: my favorite long term celebrity feud that we never get 12 00:00:52,744 --> 00:00:55,304 Speaker 2: to talk about because they avoid each other like the plague, 13 00:00:55,624 --> 00:00:59,464 Speaker 2: has finally resurfaced thanks to a very awkward red carpet video. 14 00:01:00,024 --> 00:01:03,864 Speaker 1: I love this feud because it's one that nobody actually 15 00:01:03,904 --> 00:01:06,664 Speaker 1: really thinks about. And when we were doing our production meeting, 16 00:01:06,744 --> 00:01:09,424 Speaker 1: you were talking about the history of ours. Like, Laura, 17 00:01:09,624 --> 00:01:14,144 Speaker 1: your pop culture knowledge is on mad the amount of space. 18 00:01:14,224 --> 00:01:15,864 Speaker 2: This is taken up in my brain for the last 19 00:01:15,904 --> 00:01:18,544 Speaker 2: twenty years. But look, Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, they've 20 00:01:18,544 --> 00:01:20,184 Speaker 2: got a history and it's not a good one. 21 00:01:20,304 --> 00:01:21,784 Speaker 1: It's not a good one. 22 00:01:22,064 --> 00:01:24,024 Speaker 2: So we're going to get into that, but first I 23 00:01:24,064 --> 00:01:27,504 Speaker 2: have just well not exactly an apology, but I just 24 00:01:27,504 --> 00:01:29,624 Speaker 2: want to sort of acknowledge something that happened with the 25 00:01:29,664 --> 00:01:32,304 Speaker 2: Spillers over the weekend. So, as you would all know, 26 00:01:32,424 --> 00:01:35,464 Speaker 2: on Friday mornings, we drop Weekend Watch, which is our 27 00:01:36,344 --> 00:01:38,624 Speaker 2: Friday morning podcast where we talk about all the new 28 00:01:38,704 --> 00:01:41,544 Speaker 2: TV shows and movies that are coming out this week. 29 00:01:41,984 --> 00:01:44,824 Speaker 2: And last week I recommended We Were Liars, which is 30 00:01:44,864 --> 00:01:46,384 Speaker 2: a new show, and for your chance to watch it 31 00:01:46,424 --> 00:01:47,464 Speaker 2: yet I haven't. 32 00:01:47,584 --> 00:01:48,384 Speaker 1: Now I'm scared to. 33 00:01:48,584 --> 00:01:49,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, I no, no, don't why. I'm not going to 34 00:01:49,824 --> 00:01:52,264 Speaker 2: say any spoilers here, but I recommended that it's a 35 00:01:52,304 --> 00:01:55,624 Speaker 2: new drama series I guess you'd call it that's just 36 00:01:55,664 --> 00:01:58,504 Speaker 2: come out in prime video. It's based on a novel 37 00:01:58,544 --> 00:02:00,744 Speaker 2: of the same name that won a whole bunch of awards, 38 00:02:00,864 --> 00:02:02,824 Speaker 2: and when we were talking about it, it's obviously you 39 00:02:02,864 --> 00:02:04,464 Speaker 2: don't want to kind of give too much away, so 40 00:02:04,504 --> 00:02:07,624 Speaker 2: I was like, it's like a teen romance drama. It's 41 00:02:07,624 --> 00:02:10,744 Speaker 2: about this very very rich family called the Sink. They 42 00:02:10,784 --> 00:02:14,104 Speaker 2: live on a private island off Martha's vineyard. Like that's 43 00:02:14,144 --> 00:02:17,264 Speaker 2: how opulent it is, and there's a mystery behind the scenes. 44 00:02:17,264 --> 00:02:18,544 Speaker 2: But I didn't want to say anything else. 45 00:02:18,704 --> 00:02:20,744 Speaker 1: But you misled some of our listeners. 46 00:02:20,864 --> 00:02:23,184 Speaker 2: I well, yes, because I went too hard on the 47 00:02:23,224 --> 00:02:26,144 Speaker 2: teen romance. And if you're online over the weekend you 48 00:02:26,184 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 2: would have seen because so many people binged it in 49 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:30,184 Speaker 2: one go particular, people in Australia who are watching it 50 00:02:30,224 --> 00:02:34,584 Speaker 2: on Prime were putting up reaction videos to it, just sobbing. 51 00:02:34,704 --> 00:02:37,464 Speaker 2: Like my TikTok fee was just full of that, people sobbing, 52 00:02:37,464 --> 00:02:40,184 Speaker 2: people saying they were taking personal leave all over my 53 00:02:40,264 --> 00:02:44,464 Speaker 2: insta because the thing is just like defending myself here. 54 00:02:44,584 --> 00:02:47,224 Speaker 1: Did you get some dams being like Laura, you've deceaved that? 55 00:02:47,224 --> 00:02:49,584 Speaker 2: Oh I did. I got so many dms from spillers. 56 00:02:49,624 --> 00:02:51,624 Speaker 2: Sorry guys, of being like Laura. I thought I was 57 00:02:51,624 --> 00:02:54,904 Speaker 2: watching a sex, sexy teen summer romance movie. I thought 58 00:02:54,904 --> 00:02:58,304 Speaker 2: I was watching like, like, you know, like a rich 59 00:02:58,304 --> 00:03:01,544 Speaker 2: people behaving badly, which it is. But it has this huge, 60 00:03:01,624 --> 00:03:03,424 Speaker 2: huge plot twist, which I did know about fo I 61 00:03:03,464 --> 00:03:06,704 Speaker 2: recommended it, but guys, I can't tell you. I can't 62 00:03:06,744 --> 00:03:09,744 Speaker 2: tell you before it starts. So but it wasn't just 63 00:03:09,784 --> 00:03:12,024 Speaker 2: our listeners. Even though I was getting heaps of dms 64 00:03:12,064 --> 00:03:13,984 Speaker 2: like so many people were having this. I don't know, 65 00:03:13,984 --> 00:03:15,504 Speaker 2: it's just this viral TikTok thing of. 66 00:03:16,024 --> 00:03:18,704 Speaker 1: It's almost like you know how Sirens starts out one 67 00:03:18,744 --> 00:03:20,264 Speaker 1: way and then there was like that bit of a 68 00:03:20,304 --> 00:03:22,304 Speaker 1: genre flip. Is it kind of a bit like that 69 00:03:22,384 --> 00:03:24,984 Speaker 1: you kind of think it's one thing, although the trailer 70 00:03:25,064 --> 00:03:27,504 Speaker 1: there is a lot of like you can say something 71 00:03:27,864 --> 00:03:28,304 Speaker 1: kind of. 72 00:03:28,584 --> 00:03:31,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know something dark has happened, but you don't 73 00:03:31,344 --> 00:03:34,264 Speaker 2: know the full extent, and it is it is pretty 74 00:03:34,304 --> 00:03:37,024 Speaker 2: shuddering when you watch it. So I just kind of 75 00:03:37,024 --> 00:03:39,824 Speaker 2: love when like everyone watches the same show together over 76 00:03:39,904 --> 00:03:42,464 Speaker 2: a weekend and we all have this kind of collective 77 00:03:42,784 --> 00:03:43,544 Speaker 2: reaction to it. 78 00:03:43,704 --> 00:03:47,624 Speaker 1: This is like a huge NEPO baby series though, Like 79 00:03:48,264 --> 00:03:50,664 Speaker 1: I was looking at the casting of it. We've got 80 00:03:50,704 --> 00:03:53,184 Speaker 1: Maimie Gummer who plays Carry Sinclair Dennis and she's the 81 00:03:53,264 --> 00:03:57,264 Speaker 1: daughter of Meryl Street. Yes as Esther McGregor who plays 82 00:03:57,304 --> 00:04:00,104 Speaker 1: mir and Sinclair. She's the daughter of actor Ewan McGregor. 83 00:04:00,784 --> 00:04:04,624 Speaker 1: Emmeline Alan Lynde is Cadence Sinclair. She also comes from 84 00:04:04,624 --> 00:04:07,784 Speaker 1: an acting family. Her actress is Barbara Allan Woods and 85 00:04:07,784 --> 00:04:14,104 Speaker 1: her sisters and Natalie Olivia asot actresses. And then there's 86 00:04:14,144 --> 00:04:17,264 Speaker 1: another guy in it who is Joseph Zada, and he's 87 00:04:17,264 --> 00:04:19,904 Speaker 1: gonna be playing Hamage Abernathy in the upcoming. 88 00:04:19,544 --> 00:04:21,904 Speaker 2: Hand The other thing, that's the other thing that's gone 89 00:04:21,904 --> 00:04:23,704 Speaker 2: really viral, And I do feel bad when I was 90 00:04:23,704 --> 00:04:25,784 Speaker 2: talking about the show yet the other day about Emily 91 00:04:25,824 --> 00:04:27,584 Speaker 2: alan Lynd, because I was talking about her being on 92 00:04:27,624 --> 00:04:29,624 Speaker 2: Gossip Girl, which is obviously a huge thing because she 93 00:04:29,704 --> 00:04:31,744 Speaker 2: was a big breakout star of the reboot, but I 94 00:04:31,784 --> 00:04:34,504 Speaker 2: did not mention that her mother, Barbara Allan Lynn, is 95 00:04:34,664 --> 00:04:36,304 Speaker 2: not as well known as you and mcgreg got or 96 00:04:36,424 --> 00:04:38,984 Speaker 2: Meryl Streep out of that whole NEPO baby kind of 97 00:04:39,184 --> 00:04:41,944 Speaker 2: cohort that's on the show. But she did play Deb 98 00:04:41,984 --> 00:04:43,784 Speaker 2: Scott on One Tree Hill. Do you ever watch One 99 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:48,024 Speaker 2: Tree Hill? That is the ultimate teen show for so 100 00:04:48,144 --> 00:04:50,264 Speaker 2: many people, and she's on it for most of the show, 101 00:04:50,344 --> 00:04:52,704 Speaker 2: and she's like quite a big character. And I didn't 102 00:04:52,704 --> 00:04:54,824 Speaker 2: even realize when she was on Gossip Girl that her 103 00:04:54,864 --> 00:04:57,704 Speaker 2: mother was such an iconic person. So that's just a 104 00:04:57,744 --> 00:04:59,824 Speaker 2: little exciting thing for people who are watching the show. 105 00:05:00,064 --> 00:05:02,504 Speaker 2: But yeah, the other thing that's really taken off online, 106 00:05:02,504 --> 00:05:05,584 Speaker 2: particularly on TikTok, is the fact that Joseph Zada, who 107 00:05:05,624 --> 00:05:08,984 Speaker 2: plays Johnny, is going to play Hamage Abernathy in the 108 00:05:09,024 --> 00:05:12,544 Speaker 2: new Hunger Games prequel movie, and he got asked about 109 00:05:12,544 --> 00:05:14,064 Speaker 2: that all through the press to it because it had 110 00:05:14,104 --> 00:05:16,704 Speaker 2: just been announced. Obviously, the casting for that has been 111 00:05:16,744 --> 00:05:19,064 Speaker 2: really intense. I've been doing those reveals every day. 112 00:05:19,224 --> 00:05:22,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm actually really excited about this because I 113 00:05:22,784 --> 00:05:26,464 Speaker 1: always really liked the Hunger Games books. I quite liked 114 00:05:26,464 --> 00:05:29,344 Speaker 1: the series. I know there's been some like people who 115 00:05:29,464 --> 00:05:31,984 Speaker 1: weren't that keen on them, but I really like the 116 00:05:32,064 --> 00:05:34,264 Speaker 1: law behind those earlier games. 117 00:05:34,464 --> 00:05:34,624 Speaker 2: Yeah. 118 00:05:34,704 --> 00:05:37,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly Hamig's games. I don't know if you've ever 119 00:05:37,184 --> 00:05:40,984 Speaker 1: gone deep into like the Wikipedia like what happened in 120 00:05:41,064 --> 00:05:42,544 Speaker 1: Hamig's games, did you. 121 00:05:42,504 --> 00:05:44,984 Speaker 2: Ever go into an extent? Well, I've read them. I like, 122 00:05:45,064 --> 00:05:47,704 Speaker 2: I love the Hunger Games books. The movies are quite 123 00:05:47,744 --> 00:05:49,824 Speaker 2: The first movie is good, the second, and they kind 124 00:05:49,824 --> 00:05:50,224 Speaker 2: of get. 125 00:05:50,064 --> 00:05:53,344 Speaker 1: Progressively when they split the last into two novels. 126 00:05:54,584 --> 00:05:57,224 Speaker 2: The books are so incredibly written and Hamig is such 127 00:05:57,224 --> 00:06:00,944 Speaker 2: a standout character, and Woody Harrelson played him in the movie. 128 00:06:00,984 --> 00:06:03,464 Speaker 1: He actually think it was really great. 129 00:06:03,504 --> 00:06:06,184 Speaker 2: That was perfect casting. It's so funny because Joseph's been 130 00:06:06,184 --> 00:06:08,384 Speaker 2: doing all of this wee Weellias press, and everyone's so 131 00:06:08,424 --> 00:06:10,944 Speaker 2: excited about him playing Hamage. They were like, has wood 132 00:06:10,944 --> 00:06:12,824 Speaker 2: he reached out to you? And he was like, no, 133 00:06:12,904 --> 00:06:15,104 Speaker 2: because I hear Woody Harrelson doesn't have a phone, which 134 00:06:15,104 --> 00:06:15,824 Speaker 2: I so believe. 135 00:06:15,944 --> 00:06:16,904 Speaker 1: I so believe that you. 136 00:06:17,224 --> 00:06:20,824 Speaker 2: Apparently his niece got in contact with Johnny and said like, 137 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:23,824 Speaker 2: my uncle's really excited for you. So he's just kind 138 00:06:23,824 --> 00:06:27,744 Speaker 2: of going, yeah, I just one hundred percent believe that 139 00:06:27,784 --> 00:06:30,624 Speaker 2: he doesn't that he doesn't have a phone, but he's 140 00:06:30,704 --> 00:06:33,264 Speaker 2: very aware of the news. So that's yeah, being a 141 00:06:33,304 --> 00:06:35,024 Speaker 2: whole thing of kind of like everyone kind of in 142 00:06:35,064 --> 00:06:37,424 Speaker 2: here getting a taste of this person who's going to 143 00:06:37,464 --> 00:06:40,224 Speaker 2: be this huge movie star in this movie playing this 144 00:06:40,344 --> 00:06:42,264 Speaker 2: really kind of yeah, intense role. 145 00:06:42,424 --> 00:06:43,904 Speaker 1: Well, I think that, I mean the thing with this, 146 00:06:43,984 --> 00:06:45,344 Speaker 1: I know we're kind of we've actually kind of gone 147 00:06:45,344 --> 00:06:47,704 Speaker 1: a little bit offscript here. Yeah, but I'm really excited 148 00:06:47,744 --> 00:06:50,064 Speaker 1: about Hunger Hunger Gays. He's not going to be an 149 00:06:50,064 --> 00:06:52,024 Speaker 1: alcoholic because he hasn't even gone into the game yet. 150 00:06:52,024 --> 00:06:54,304 Speaker 1: He becomes an alcoholic and becomes really bad, yeh, do 151 00:06:54,464 --> 00:06:54,864 Speaker 1: you win? 152 00:06:55,344 --> 00:06:58,624 Speaker 2: Well, there's so that's what the sunrise on the Reaping 153 00:06:58,624 --> 00:07:00,264 Speaker 2: book and there's a line in there where he says 154 00:07:00,264 --> 00:07:03,024 Speaker 2: someone offers him a drink and he's like, no thanks, 155 00:07:03,064 --> 00:07:05,104 Speaker 2: someone much of a drinker, which, as a fan of 156 00:07:05,144 --> 00:07:07,184 Speaker 2: the books, will just like hit you in the heart 157 00:07:07,224 --> 00:07:09,664 Speaker 2: because you kind of see that when we first get 158 00:07:09,664 --> 00:07:12,264 Speaker 2: introduced him in the Hunger Games books, he's so reliant 159 00:07:12,264 --> 00:07:14,184 Speaker 2: on alcohol because of the trauma he's been through. 160 00:07:14,464 --> 00:07:18,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh. So when it comes out, we'll 161 00:07:18,184 --> 00:07:19,864 Speaker 1: do a little we'll do a nice review. 162 00:07:20,144 --> 00:07:21,944 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we'll cover that movie when it comes out. 163 00:07:21,984 --> 00:07:23,984 Speaker 2: So the cart thing's been huge. But also if everyone 164 00:07:24,024 --> 00:07:26,064 Speaker 2: who watched me were lies, don't spoil it for anyone. 165 00:07:26,304 --> 00:07:28,224 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, do you mean to mislead you guys, but 166 00:07:28,304 --> 00:07:32,624 Speaker 2: just know we were all crying together. Well, this morning 167 00:07:32,664 --> 00:07:36,704 Speaker 2: we all woke up to some very important groundbreaking news, 168 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:39,584 Speaker 2: and that is the fact that Tom Cruise and Brad 169 00:07:39,624 --> 00:07:42,744 Speaker 2: Pitt had reunited on the red carpet for the f 170 00:07:42,824 --> 00:07:45,544 Speaker 2: One Movie, which is brad Pitt's new movie. But it 171 00:07:45,664 --> 00:07:48,904 Speaker 2: wasn't that typical two big celebs or like former co 172 00:07:49,024 --> 00:07:51,664 Speaker 2: stars getting together. You know, have former co stars, especially 173 00:07:51,704 --> 00:07:53,144 Speaker 2: if they've been in some sort of a hit movie 174 00:07:53,224 --> 00:07:55,424 Speaker 2: or a hit TV show. They know that when they 175 00:07:55,544 --> 00:07:57,504 Speaker 2: reunite a public space like that, it's just going to 176 00:07:57,544 --> 00:07:59,984 Speaker 2: be photographed from every angle, and they usually go very 177 00:08:00,064 --> 00:08:00,704 Speaker 2: over the top. 178 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:02,984 Speaker 1: Well, you think about someone like Brad Pitt and George 179 00:08:02,984 --> 00:08:06,544 Speaker 1: Clooney who will always say ever, like there is that 180 00:08:06,544 --> 00:08:10,144 Speaker 1: that red carpet moment is you know what's going to 181 00:08:10,184 --> 00:08:10,704 Speaker 1: be saying on the. 182 00:08:10,704 --> 00:08:11,664 Speaker 2: Carver, Yeah, exactly. 183 00:08:12,024 --> 00:08:15,464 Speaker 1: But this particular interaction, and it was really interesting when 184 00:08:15,504 --> 00:08:17,944 Speaker 1: we saw. When I saw this interaction, I watched it 185 00:08:17,984 --> 00:08:23,064 Speaker 1: without sound and I could feel from the energy that's something. 186 00:08:23,144 --> 00:08:24,544 Speaker 2: It was off. 187 00:08:24,624 --> 00:08:29,304 Speaker 1: It's like then I realized that, hey, I've actually never 188 00:08:29,384 --> 00:08:31,744 Speaker 1: seen them together, even though they're two of the biggest 189 00:08:31,784 --> 00:08:33,704 Speaker 1: A listers in the world. 190 00:08:33,904 --> 00:08:37,184 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they have not been photographed together for decades, 191 00:08:37,224 --> 00:08:39,784 Speaker 2: and that's very intentional, you know their history. But so 192 00:08:40,064 --> 00:08:41,944 Speaker 2: like they're standing there on the red carpet and Tom 193 00:08:41,984 --> 00:08:43,864 Speaker 2: Cruise is there and he's in movie Star I'm on 194 00:08:43,864 --> 00:08:46,944 Speaker 2: a red carpet mode, and then Brad pick comes walking 195 00:08:47,024 --> 00:08:49,504 Speaker 2: towards him and it's such a brief moment you have 196 00:08:49,544 --> 00:08:51,664 Speaker 2: to watch a hundred times like I did. But Brad 197 00:08:51,664 --> 00:08:54,304 Speaker 2: Pitt kind of puts his arms out like he's going 198 00:08:54,384 --> 00:08:56,744 Speaker 2: to hug Tom Cruise like he's going in for the 199 00:08:56,744 --> 00:08:59,184 Speaker 2: basic red carpet hug, and then Tom Cruise kind of 200 00:08:59,224 --> 00:09:01,624 Speaker 2: puts his arm across like to almost like stop him, 201 00:09:01,784 --> 00:09:03,664 Speaker 2: but then gives him like a little handshake, and then 202 00:09:03,704 --> 00:09:06,784 Speaker 2: he leans into that quick little bro like shoulder bump 203 00:09:06,824 --> 00:09:08,904 Speaker 2: that men do when they kind of like okay, it 204 00:09:08,944 --> 00:09:11,424 Speaker 2: was you could tell, and and then they quickly separate 205 00:09:11,424 --> 00:09:11,984 Speaker 2: from each other. 206 00:09:12,624 --> 00:09:14,984 Speaker 1: So so Brad's obviously trying to do the whole like 207 00:09:15,104 --> 00:09:17,144 Speaker 1: I'm going to put a front toe, whereas Tom with 208 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:20,264 Speaker 1: his like probably his like scientology stuff, is like I'm 209 00:09:20,264 --> 00:09:20,944 Speaker 1: not gonna. 210 00:09:20,944 --> 00:09:22,904 Speaker 2: But he is a big for people. He likes on 211 00:09:22,944 --> 00:09:24,864 Speaker 2: a red carpet. He is a big hugger. He's a 212 00:09:24,904 --> 00:09:26,704 Speaker 2: big like hey kind. 213 00:09:26,464 --> 00:09:29,424 Speaker 1: Of nice he was when he was here for. 214 00:09:30,144 --> 00:09:33,384 Speaker 2: I know, I always tell people he's the nicest celebrity 215 00:09:33,384 --> 00:09:35,944 Speaker 2: you ever meet. He wants to like. 216 00:09:36,624 --> 00:09:39,104 Speaker 1: Really good handshake to me. And then I hosted an 217 00:09:39,144 --> 00:09:42,144 Speaker 1: event with them actually just like yeah, the MLC Center 218 00:09:42,144 --> 00:09:44,784 Speaker 1: because it was his universal picture and I hosted an 219 00:09:44,784 --> 00:09:46,424 Speaker 1: event with him, and he was so kind to me. 220 00:09:46,464 --> 00:09:49,184 Speaker 1: He remembered my name. He shook my hand like love. 221 00:09:49,664 --> 00:09:51,344 Speaker 2: Although like you're the only person in the room. 222 00:09:51,384 --> 00:09:52,344 Speaker 1: Maker we wear flats. 223 00:09:53,504 --> 00:09:55,704 Speaker 2: I have not. I've heard that from so many people, 224 00:09:55,704 --> 00:09:57,544 Speaker 2: and you can see it on the red carpet because 225 00:09:57,584 --> 00:09:59,424 Speaker 2: he's so much I actually think it's fine that Tom 226 00:09:59,464 --> 00:10:01,304 Speaker 2: Cruise was a short man, Like, yeah, I think he's 227 00:10:01,304 --> 00:10:05,144 Speaker 2: proven that we women. I know, I think I was where. 228 00:10:05,224 --> 00:10:06,384 Speaker 2: I don't think I think because I was just on 229 00:10:06,384 --> 00:10:09,024 Speaker 2: the red carpet, like his team weren't monitoring. But I 230 00:10:09,064 --> 00:10:12,384 Speaker 2: do remember having to look quite far down and I'm tall, 231 00:10:12,424 --> 00:10:14,224 Speaker 2: so I look down to everyone. But he is a 232 00:10:14,264 --> 00:10:16,704 Speaker 2: short man. Yeah, but that's fine. But I always remember 233 00:10:16,704 --> 00:10:18,384 Speaker 2: I always say this to people, like when they sort 234 00:10:18,384 --> 00:10:19,984 Speaker 2: of like want to know what Tom Cruise is like, 235 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:22,344 Speaker 2: and I was like, you can have the briefest interaction 236 00:10:22,464 --> 00:10:24,184 Speaker 2: with that man and he would just make you feel 237 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:26,624 Speaker 2: like you're the only person in the room, so lovely. 238 00:10:26,704 --> 00:10:28,744 Speaker 2: So the fact that he couldn't muster up for Brad 239 00:10:28,744 --> 00:10:31,424 Speaker 2: Pitt is really telling that. 240 00:10:31,424 --> 00:10:33,664 Speaker 1: That's kind of what I saw in that. I was like, 241 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:36,664 Speaker 1: this man is a very like he's very good at 242 00:10:36,744 --> 00:10:40,064 Speaker 1: making people feel like really seen. And I would say 243 00:10:40,104 --> 00:10:42,024 Speaker 1: that has a lot to do with, you know, his 244 00:10:42,024 --> 00:10:44,344 Speaker 1: history with highentology, and we know that that kind of 245 00:10:44,504 --> 00:10:47,024 Speaker 1: is a big part of it. But the fact that 246 00:10:47,064 --> 00:10:49,344 Speaker 1: he couldn't muster up, yeah, the. 247 00:10:49,944 --> 00:10:51,824 Speaker 2: Fos to put it on for the cameras. 248 00:10:51,904 --> 00:10:54,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, Laura, you have the law behind this. 249 00:10:54,664 --> 00:10:56,184 Speaker 1: Can you please give us a little bit of a 250 00:10:56,264 --> 00:11:01,064 Speaker 1: history lesson on the Tom Cruise Brad Pitt feud. 251 00:11:01,504 --> 00:11:04,464 Speaker 2: Yes, So, once upon a time, going back to the nineties, 252 00:11:04,904 --> 00:11:07,584 Speaker 2: goad like every everyone get crazy, poorglass of wine, light 253 00:11:07,624 --> 00:11:10,864 Speaker 2: a candle because in the nineties, Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, 254 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:13,704 Speaker 2: right the two biggest superstars in the world. Like they're 255 00:11:13,824 --> 00:11:16,504 Speaker 2: huge now obviously, but right then it was like them 256 00:11:16,704 --> 00:11:19,704 Speaker 2: dominating the box office. And one of the biggest book 257 00:11:19,744 --> 00:11:23,064 Speaker 2: franchises in the world was The Interview with the Vampire series. 258 00:11:23,904 --> 00:11:26,304 Speaker 2: That's the first book in this series written by Ann Ryce. 259 00:11:26,384 --> 00:11:28,144 Speaker 2: So it was a huge deal when that book was 260 00:11:28,144 --> 00:11:32,864 Speaker 2: being adapted to be this big blockbuster movie and everyone was, 261 00:11:33,064 --> 00:11:34,904 Speaker 2: you know, really kind of like who we're going to 262 00:11:34,944 --> 00:11:37,664 Speaker 2: pay If you haven't read the book, it's about these 263 00:11:37,784 --> 00:11:41,264 Speaker 2: two vampires. So you have Louis, who Brad Pitt played, 264 00:11:41,264 --> 00:11:43,224 Speaker 2: and then Tom Cruise, who played the stat who's one 265 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:46,584 Speaker 2: of the most famous vampires in cinema, and so when 266 00:11:46,584 --> 00:11:49,104 Speaker 2: it was announced that they were cast, everyone was like, oh, yeah, 267 00:11:49,144 --> 00:11:52,224 Speaker 2: we can see Brad Pitt as Louis de Pointe de Lac. 268 00:11:52,344 --> 00:11:53,864 Speaker 2: Don't come at me. I probably said that wrong, but 269 00:11:54,024 --> 00:11:58,464 Speaker 2: you know that's I'm not French. Yes, and then Delion 270 00:11:58,544 --> 00:12:01,104 Speaker 2: called are their two names, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, 271 00:12:01,104 --> 00:12:03,384 Speaker 2: we see Brad Pitt. There was a huge question mark 272 00:12:03,424 --> 00:12:07,144 Speaker 2: over Tom Cruise playing that role because he was kind 273 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:09,624 Speaker 2: of seen as not as like a blockbuster action star 274 00:12:09,984 --> 00:12:16,184 Speaker 2: that he couldn't really kind of embody this very ancient, dark, brooding, 275 00:12:16,304 --> 00:12:19,024 Speaker 2: sexy vampire. Let's think about Tom Cruise, I would say, 276 00:12:19,424 --> 00:12:22,344 Speaker 2: a great movie stuff not sexy, no, maybe to an 277 00:12:22,344 --> 00:12:27,624 Speaker 2: extent zero zero sex, zero sexyzro, whereas Brad Pitt oozing 278 00:12:27,664 --> 00:12:29,824 Speaker 2: sexy even now, I hate to say it. 279 00:12:30,704 --> 00:12:33,544 Speaker 1: In Louise like come on. 280 00:12:33,744 --> 00:12:35,944 Speaker 2: And this wasn't that long after, like I mean, that 281 00:12:36,024 --> 00:12:38,104 Speaker 2: was his first big movie role, so people still really 282 00:12:38,144 --> 00:12:40,944 Speaker 2: had that Filmer and Laurie's moment with him being naked 283 00:12:41,224 --> 00:12:45,624 Speaker 2: in their heads so hot about damn like old Black 284 00:12:45,664 --> 00:12:49,104 Speaker 2: Bride Pit like early two thousands, Brad Pit, Jen Addiston, 285 00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:52,304 Speaker 2: Brad Pitt yeah, look at his sixties now he's still 286 00:12:52,304 --> 00:12:54,744 Speaker 2: looking pretty. I kind of do hate that, but he 287 00:12:54,824 --> 00:12:57,904 Speaker 2: still is. Brad Pit could be my dad, that's how 288 00:12:57,904 --> 00:13:00,384 Speaker 2: old he is. Yeah, exactly, he's in his sixties, which is. 289 00:13:00,424 --> 00:13:02,264 Speaker 1: And where like millennials. 290 00:13:02,384 --> 00:13:05,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, not even that. His girlfriend's younger than us. Just 291 00:13:05,664 --> 00:13:07,104 Speaker 2: so you know, so you're still in with a chance. 292 00:13:07,144 --> 00:13:11,544 Speaker 2: Don't ever doubt yourself for sale. I remember when Gonne 293 00:13:11,584 --> 00:13:13,384 Speaker 2: with Paltrow was an Australia and she was doing that 294 00:13:13,424 --> 00:13:15,904 Speaker 2: talk with JACKIEO, and Jackie OO asked her what was 295 00:13:15,904 --> 00:13:17,584 Speaker 2: it like to date Brad Pitt at the height of 296 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:19,744 Speaker 2: him being hot Brad Pitt and Greneth Peltro was like, 297 00:13:19,784 --> 00:13:22,064 Speaker 2: it was fucking amazing. He's gonna say that it was 298 00:13:22,104 --> 00:13:25,664 Speaker 2: so good. I would just like love. Okay, we've gone 299 00:13:25,664 --> 00:13:28,224 Speaker 2: to try, but in a great way. Look, so they 300 00:13:28,264 --> 00:13:31,104 Speaker 2: were cant of you with a vambire. This movie is iconic. 301 00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:33,784 Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it yet, you need to go. 302 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:38,464 Speaker 2: It's one of the best vampire movies. Kirsten Dance is 303 00:13:38,464 --> 00:13:40,544 Speaker 2: like a twelve year old. It's her first big movie 304 00:13:40,624 --> 00:13:43,664 Speaker 2: role as well. She plays Claudia and yeah, it is 305 00:13:43,784 --> 00:13:48,264 Speaker 2: just a sumptuous, incredible movie. But when they started filming, 306 00:13:48,344 --> 00:13:51,144 Speaker 2: that's when the cracks between Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt 307 00:13:51,224 --> 00:13:53,904 Speaker 2: really started to form. One is that there's a really 308 00:13:53,944 --> 00:13:56,584 Speaker 2: infamous interview with Brad Pitt that he did with Entertainment 309 00:13:56,664 --> 00:14:00,144 Speaker 2: Weekly years after the movie was made, and they said 310 00:14:00,144 --> 00:14:01,584 Speaker 2: to him, because it had been such a big talking 311 00:14:01,624 --> 00:14:04,664 Speaker 2: point at the time, that during the press and during 312 00:14:04,784 --> 00:14:07,184 Speaker 2: like even when he was making the movie, he was photographed, 313 00:14:07,224 --> 00:14:10,384 Speaker 2: everyone's like, Brad Pitt looks like he wants to die. 314 00:14:10,424 --> 00:14:13,664 Speaker 2: And he confirmed that interview. They said to him, you 315 00:14:13,744 --> 00:14:16,864 Speaker 2: looked really miserable in the movie. You looked really miserable 316 00:14:16,864 --> 00:14:19,304 Speaker 2: making the movie. What happened? And he said, I am 317 00:14:19,384 --> 00:14:23,544 Speaker 2: miserable because he hated filming in the dark because they're vampires. 318 00:14:23,544 --> 00:14:25,864 Speaker 2: They filmed all night. He hated filming in the cold, 319 00:14:25,864 --> 00:14:28,424 Speaker 2: he hated the makeup. But mostly he said that he 320 00:14:28,504 --> 00:14:31,304 Speaker 2: hated playing the He essentially like, I'm playing the bitch 321 00:14:31,384 --> 00:14:35,304 Speaker 2: role to Tom Cruise, and he didn't know. He must 322 00:14:35,344 --> 00:14:37,544 Speaker 2: not have read the book, which is so wild, or 323 00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:40,384 Speaker 2: maybe I guess the book like the it's always going 324 00:14:40,424 --> 00:14:42,904 Speaker 2: to look different on screen. But he says that he 325 00:14:42,944 --> 00:14:46,624 Speaker 2: didn't have any scripts to look at before they started shooting, 326 00:14:47,024 --> 00:14:49,104 Speaker 2: and the interview is saying to him, but you're brid Pitt, like, 327 00:14:49,104 --> 00:14:50,784 Speaker 2: you couldn't have demanded a script, and he's like, the 328 00:14:50,784 --> 00:14:52,784 Speaker 2: script wasn't given to me. So we were locked him 329 00:14:52,784 --> 00:14:54,664 Speaker 2: We're about to film, and that's when I saw how 330 00:14:54,744 --> 00:14:56,784 Speaker 2: my character was going to be portrayed, that I was 331 00:14:56,864 --> 00:14:59,024 Speaker 2: essentially being like the bitch character. And this was a 332 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:02,024 Speaker 2: Tom Cruise vehicle and it was all about Tom Cruise 333 00:15:02,264 --> 00:15:03,864 Speaker 2: to the point where he was friends with one of 334 00:15:03,864 --> 00:15:07,024 Speaker 2: the producers on Into the Vampire, and he called him 335 00:15:07,024 --> 00:15:09,064 Speaker 2: and said, what will it take to get me out 336 00:15:09,064 --> 00:15:11,904 Speaker 2: of this. I'll do anyth or pay anything, just get 337 00:15:11,904 --> 00:15:13,984 Speaker 2: me out of this movie. And this was halfway into filming, 338 00:15:14,264 --> 00:15:16,784 Speaker 2: and the producer said, it'll cost you forty million dollars 339 00:15:17,144 --> 00:15:19,304 Speaker 2: if you exit this project, and brad Pitt said, okay, 340 00:15:19,344 --> 00:15:21,664 Speaker 2: then don't worry about it, and they kept filming. But 341 00:15:21,784 --> 00:15:23,544 Speaker 2: they've talked about it a bit over the years, and 342 00:15:23,584 --> 00:15:25,624 Speaker 2: they've never actually come out and said there was like 343 00:15:25,664 --> 00:15:28,584 Speaker 2: a feud between them. But there's their story and what 344 00:15:28,664 --> 00:15:30,904 Speaker 2: some people have said behind the scenes. I just feel 345 00:15:30,984 --> 00:15:33,624 Speaker 2: doesn't completely line up with like how bad it was. 346 00:15:33,824 --> 00:15:36,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there's a massive ego thing there. 347 00:15:36,344 --> 00:15:39,144 Speaker 1: Like it's like Brad Pitt probably was used to being, 348 00:15:39,624 --> 00:15:42,744 Speaker 1: you know, the center of attention, and Tom Cruise demands 349 00:15:43,184 --> 00:15:44,024 Speaker 1: the center of attention. 350 00:15:44,144 --> 00:15:46,144 Speaker 2: That's interesting thing about these two actors is that I 351 00:15:46,184 --> 00:15:48,184 Speaker 2: remember reading this piece of that Andy Fair years ago 352 00:15:48,264 --> 00:15:51,384 Speaker 2: and the film reviewer saying that the interesting thing about 353 00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:54,664 Speaker 2: Brad Pitt is that he is a character actor stuck 354 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:57,104 Speaker 2: in the body of a really hot man. And I'm like, 355 00:15:57,224 --> 00:15:59,424 Speaker 2: I do kind of believe that's true, because he does 356 00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:02,064 Speaker 2: like tend to as much as he uses like sex symbol, 357 00:16:02,344 --> 00:16:04,064 Speaker 2: he does tend to be a bit of this kind 358 00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:06,384 Speaker 2: of character actor. So he's on the set trying to 359 00:16:06,384 --> 00:16:08,544 Speaker 2: do that. And then he said Tom Cruise came in 360 00:16:08,664 --> 00:16:11,784 Speaker 2: being like overly flamborne, and Brad Pitt would be like, 361 00:16:11,824 --> 00:16:14,224 Speaker 2: sometimes I just want to shuffle into the room Tom. 362 00:16:14,384 --> 00:16:16,104 Speaker 2: As we were just saying, Tom Cruise has to like 363 00:16:16,424 --> 00:16:18,704 Speaker 2: shout into the room, he has to do a handshake 364 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:21,984 Speaker 2: with everyone, very over the top. He was also really 365 00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:25,024 Speaker 2: in his head Tom Cruise, because he knew that people 366 00:16:25,064 --> 00:16:26,984 Speaker 2: didn't want him to play this character, even the author 367 00:16:27,024 --> 00:16:29,544 Speaker 2: Ann Rice at the time, like allegedly she came around 368 00:16:29,584 --> 00:16:31,704 Speaker 2: to it later on, but she initially wasn't happy with 369 00:16:31,744 --> 00:16:34,904 Speaker 2: his casting. So he's there with something to prove. Brad 370 00:16:34,944 --> 00:16:37,704 Speaker 2: Pitt's there thinking that he's he's and he's hating being there, 371 00:16:38,024 --> 00:16:41,624 Speaker 2: and so apparently they were clashing over there the different 372 00:16:41,624 --> 00:16:42,664 Speaker 2: ways they wanted to work. 373 00:16:42,744 --> 00:16:45,384 Speaker 1: It's just it's a personality difference. 374 00:16:45,424 --> 00:16:47,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly just two dowphers. 375 00:16:47,344 --> 00:16:50,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, they just don't get along exactly. It's interesting that, 376 00:16:51,144 --> 00:16:54,424 Speaker 1: like we're talking with ninety four, this is what that's 377 00:16:54,504 --> 00:16:55,584 Speaker 1: thirty years later. 378 00:16:55,424 --> 00:16:58,024 Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, exactly, and they're still not over it, which 379 00:16:58,024 --> 00:16:59,544 Speaker 2: I kind of do get. Like when you have a 380 00:16:59,544 --> 00:17:02,104 Speaker 2: colleague who or like a former colleague who you bump 381 00:17:02,144 --> 00:17:04,344 Speaker 2: into at work events and you just like frecking hate you, 382 00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:06,344 Speaker 2: but you've got to I'm not talking about anyone, by 383 00:17:06,384 --> 00:17:08,424 Speaker 2: the way, but I'm just saying that thing. I don't know. 384 00:17:08,464 --> 00:17:11,264 Speaker 2: I've had a lot of jobs over the years, but 385 00:17:11,344 --> 00:17:13,504 Speaker 2: you know, everyone has those Everyone has those people that 386 00:17:13,544 --> 00:17:15,184 Speaker 2: you're like you have to be nice to in public. 387 00:17:15,784 --> 00:17:18,664 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's interesting because it was so awkward. 388 00:17:18,784 --> 00:17:22,104 Speaker 1: If you like watching it there is you can feel 389 00:17:22,224 --> 00:17:26,344 Speaker 1: how uncomfortable it is. Yeah, And I think it's it's 390 00:17:26,344 --> 00:17:30,504 Speaker 1: most of the discomfort is coming from Tom, because he's 391 00:17:30,544 --> 00:17:33,144 Speaker 1: the one that did that put the initial brakes on it. 392 00:17:33,224 --> 00:17:35,864 Speaker 2: I wonder if it's because Tom Cruise is very like, 393 00:17:36,544 --> 00:17:39,304 Speaker 2: He's very like, you know, I'm the film I'm the 394 00:17:39,304 --> 00:17:42,024 Speaker 2: filmmaker here and movies are so important and he doesn't 395 00:17:42,064 --> 00:17:44,504 Speaker 2: often talk ill, not the brad Pit does either, because 396 00:17:44,504 --> 00:17:47,624 Speaker 2: they're like these untouchable golden boys. But I feel like 397 00:17:47,704 --> 00:17:49,864 Speaker 2: maybe the fact that this has followed them around for 398 00:17:49,904 --> 00:17:53,384 Speaker 2: so long, he's not loving with like this persona if 399 00:17:53,384 --> 00:17:56,144 Speaker 2: he wants to be the golden boy of Hollywood. And 400 00:17:56,184 --> 00:17:57,584 Speaker 2: I don't think they ever had like a. I mean 401 00:17:57,624 --> 00:18:00,184 Speaker 2: there's there's whispers of them like having fights on set, 402 00:18:00,584 --> 00:18:03,584 Speaker 2: and that Kirsten Dunce kind of took as a child, 403 00:18:04,064 --> 00:18:08,464 Speaker 2: took brad Pitt's side a bit, but but yeah, exactly. 404 00:18:08,544 --> 00:18:10,944 Speaker 2: She was like and she says that my that movie 405 00:18:10,984 --> 00:18:13,384 Speaker 2: was super difficult because she was a child. She had 406 00:18:13,424 --> 00:18:15,864 Speaker 2: to kiss brad Pitt on screen, which she said was gross, 407 00:18:15,904 --> 00:18:16,864 Speaker 2: and I agree with her. 408 00:18:16,784 --> 00:18:18,664 Speaker 1: That would be so gross. It's like a twelve year old. 409 00:18:18,584 --> 00:18:20,384 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And I think she was just like with 410 00:18:20,424 --> 00:18:22,184 Speaker 2: these two alpha men who were kind of going back 411 00:18:22,224 --> 00:18:24,224 Speaker 2: and forth, although Tom Cruise does send her a cake 412 00:18:24,264 --> 00:18:26,544 Speaker 2: every year. Still, I wonder if brad Pitt's on the 413 00:18:26,544 --> 00:18:27,424 Speaker 2: Infamous cake. 414 00:18:27,264 --> 00:18:28,824 Speaker 1: List, He's probably not the coconut cake. 415 00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:31,664 Speaker 2: Oh that's if you're Tom Cruise and you don't put 416 00:18:31,664 --> 00:18:34,304 Speaker 2: someone on your coconut cake list, that is the ultimate burn, 417 00:18:34,384 --> 00:18:36,224 Speaker 2: Like you might as well have slapped him across the face. 418 00:18:37,224 --> 00:18:39,104 Speaker 2: There's a few. Okay, this is getting a bit gossipy, 419 00:18:39,224 --> 00:18:40,704 Speaker 2: but I have read like a kind of a few 420 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:42,784 Speaker 2: like behind the scenes kind of like four of me things. 421 00:18:42,784 --> 00:18:46,864 Speaker 2: And because I'm so like invested in this movie because 422 00:18:46,864 --> 00:18:48,384 Speaker 2: I love the book, I love the movie. I love 423 00:18:48,424 --> 00:18:50,264 Speaker 2: the new TV series that they've done about it. It's 424 00:18:50,264 --> 00:18:53,384 Speaker 2: so good. But apparently, yeah, they would get very like 425 00:18:53,704 --> 00:18:57,424 Speaker 2: because they're in their scenes together. It's very intense because 426 00:18:57,584 --> 00:18:59,904 Speaker 2: Tom Cruise's character is this one hundred year one hundred 427 00:19:00,024 --> 00:19:03,544 Speaker 2: year old vampire who finds Brad Pitt's character and turns 428 00:19:03,584 --> 00:19:05,784 Speaker 2: him into a vampire, and then they're forever linked and 429 00:19:06,384 --> 00:19:09,224 Speaker 2: they like walk through the world to get trying to kill, 430 00:19:10,464 --> 00:19:13,384 Speaker 2: kill and have like yeah. 431 00:19:12,704 --> 00:19:14,664 Speaker 1: And then they killed that's why they kill, kissed and dance. 432 00:19:14,824 --> 00:19:16,104 Speaker 2: That is really something. 433 00:19:16,104 --> 00:19:17,784 Speaker 1: That seems so sad. 434 00:19:19,104 --> 00:19:20,664 Speaker 2: Antonio Banderi killed her. 435 00:19:20,824 --> 00:19:22,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, with the woman. 436 00:19:23,144 --> 00:19:24,944 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the one who she wanted to turn into 437 00:19:24,944 --> 00:19:28,024 Speaker 2: her mother's movie or all. But it's it's beautiful. 438 00:19:28,384 --> 00:19:30,424 Speaker 1: But I'm just remembering, as I haven't seen it in age, 439 00:19:31,184 --> 00:19:32,584 Speaker 1: remembering all these different scenes. 440 00:19:32,664 --> 00:19:34,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot happening there. 441 00:19:34,664 --> 00:19:37,024 Speaker 1: And hair when her hair, when she becomes a vampire, her. 442 00:19:36,944 --> 00:19:39,264 Speaker 2: Hair, her hair grows back. Yeah, it's really cool. So yeah, 443 00:19:39,304 --> 00:19:41,024 Speaker 2: so it's such a good movie. But apparently in some 444 00:19:41,064 --> 00:19:44,024 Speaker 2: of the scenes, because Tom Cruise was trying to give 445 00:19:44,064 --> 00:19:45,824 Speaker 2: the performance of his career and prove he was a 446 00:19:45,824 --> 00:19:48,504 Speaker 2: proper actor not just an action star, he got too 447 00:19:48,624 --> 00:19:50,704 Speaker 2: over the top. And I've seen these allegations that he 448 00:19:50,984 --> 00:19:54,224 Speaker 2: flicked physically Brad Pitt, and Brad Pitt like got so angry, 449 00:19:54,424 --> 00:19:56,664 Speaker 2: was like what the fuck are you doing? Like you 450 00:19:56,704 --> 00:19:58,624 Speaker 2: can't do that and that, and that was kind of 451 00:19:58,624 --> 00:20:02,504 Speaker 2: a catalyst. I've seen that proven nowhere, So I'm probably 452 00:20:02,544 --> 00:20:04,944 Speaker 2: just passing the gossip along. But I do feel like 453 00:20:04,984 --> 00:20:08,264 Speaker 2: from what I've seen that even if that specifically didn't happen, 454 00:20:08,304 --> 00:20:10,704 Speaker 2: although I love to think it did, that it was 455 00:20:10,864 --> 00:20:13,624 Speaker 2: filming those scenes, just the two of them that kind 456 00:20:13,624 --> 00:20:16,024 Speaker 2: of heightened this feud, and apparently this is the most 457 00:20:16,024 --> 00:20:19,144 Speaker 2: matro like not matro but like Hollywood kind of boy. 458 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:21,584 Speaker 2: Thing I've heard is that they're both super competitive, so 459 00:20:21,704 --> 00:20:23,464 Speaker 2: at nighttime they would go cart race. 460 00:20:24,264 --> 00:20:26,024 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a surprise with Tom Cruise is 461 00:20:26,144 --> 00:20:29,544 Speaker 1: very competitive and like I'm massive, Like he this is 462 00:20:29,544 --> 00:20:31,584 Speaker 1: why he does all his own stunts because he's got that. 463 00:20:31,664 --> 00:20:35,344 Speaker 1: He likes to be that that machismo of his is 464 00:20:35,424 --> 00:20:38,184 Speaker 1: like such a big part of his Yeah, like I 465 00:20:38,224 --> 00:20:40,184 Speaker 1: think it's a bit of a short man thing, like, yeah, 466 00:20:40,224 --> 00:20:40,624 Speaker 1: he's got. 467 00:20:40,984 --> 00:20:42,824 Speaker 2: And like so they channel I guess it's good, and 468 00:20:42,944 --> 00:20:45,104 Speaker 2: the production him were really really happy. They're like, if 469 00:20:45,144 --> 00:20:48,144 Speaker 2: these these two Hollywood guys come to blows on set, 470 00:20:48,184 --> 00:20:50,824 Speaker 2: that's going to be so expensive to shut down production 471 00:20:50,904 --> 00:20:52,704 Speaker 2: of one of them leaves. So I think that they 472 00:20:52,784 --> 00:20:55,624 Speaker 2: were kind of pushed to channel all of their feuding 473 00:20:55,744 --> 00:20:58,944 Speaker 2: into gor go cart racing behind the scenes to kind 474 00:20:58,984 --> 00:21:00,944 Speaker 2: of I wonder if that's what's kind of spurred Tom 475 00:21:00,984 --> 00:21:02,984 Speaker 2: Cruise into doing his stunts. He's like, I'm going to 476 00:21:03,024 --> 00:21:04,944 Speaker 2: show you, Brad Pitt, No, I'm going to be. 477 00:21:05,144 --> 00:21:07,464 Speaker 1: It's always been Tom, but we haven't really seen Tom 478 00:21:07,504 --> 00:21:11,024 Speaker 1: in other movies that are like he is an act stuff. 479 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,424 Speaker 2: Well, that's exact. Brad Pitt over the years has leaned 480 00:21:13,464 --> 00:21:16,744 Speaker 2: more into being a dramatic actor, and he chased that 481 00:21:16,784 --> 00:21:17,864 Speaker 2: Oscar so hard. 482 00:21:17,784 --> 00:21:20,744 Speaker 1: Working with Quentin Tarantino, working in those kind of more 483 00:21:21,984 --> 00:21:26,064 Speaker 1: character based movies, like that's kind of been Brad's career. 484 00:21:26,184 --> 00:21:29,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas he's chasing. 485 00:21:29,184 --> 00:21:31,824 Speaker 1: This impossible fifty four Like, yeah, well. 486 00:21:31,744 --> 00:21:35,104 Speaker 2: He's chasing that big audience reaction. I also saw that 487 00:21:35,144 --> 00:21:36,504 Speaker 2: There's the last thing to kind of bring it back 488 00:21:36,544 --> 00:21:38,864 Speaker 2: to them being at the f one event is that 489 00:21:39,024 --> 00:21:42,864 Speaker 2: apparently Tom Cruise is also extra angry at Brad because 490 00:21:42,904 --> 00:21:45,344 Speaker 2: not only has he been his nemesis for over thirty years, 491 00:21:45,424 --> 00:21:47,784 Speaker 2: and they haven't been pictured together in twenty years. And 492 00:21:47,824 --> 00:21:49,944 Speaker 2: that's the thing too, is like it's interesting that they 493 00:21:49,984 --> 00:21:52,624 Speaker 2: never did another movie together because their names together again 494 00:21:52,704 --> 00:21:56,104 Speaker 2: would have brought in so much money. And Brad Pitt 495 00:21:56,144 --> 00:21:58,984 Speaker 2: notoriously loves to like work with his inner circle of 496 00:21:59,024 --> 00:22:02,504 Speaker 2: Hollywood stars over and over and over again. And he's 497 00:22:02,584 --> 00:22:04,424 Speaker 2: like the big kind of like he's like the leader 498 00:22:04,464 --> 00:22:06,904 Speaker 2: of the Hollywood pack. He's like the pack wolf. And 499 00:22:06,944 --> 00:22:09,744 Speaker 2: then Tom Cruise is like kind of the Lone Wolf. 500 00:22:09,784 --> 00:22:12,584 Speaker 2: But also I'm just really assigning their narratives. 501 00:22:12,584 --> 00:22:13,184 Speaker 1: I quite like this. 502 00:22:13,224 --> 00:22:15,504 Speaker 2: But also Tom Cruise like to surround himself with the 503 00:22:15,544 --> 00:22:18,784 Speaker 2: really young generation of Hollywood because he's like, I'm a mentor. 504 00:22:18,864 --> 00:22:20,744 Speaker 2: But he wouldn't go hang out with Brad Pitt. But 505 00:22:20,784 --> 00:22:23,664 Speaker 2: apparently he's upset about Brad Pitt making an F one 506 00:22:23,704 --> 00:22:26,064 Speaker 2: movie because he wanted to. He wanted to do a 507 00:22:26,104 --> 00:22:29,264 Speaker 2: sequel today as of Thunder after Top Gun, Maverick did 508 00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:32,264 Speaker 2: so well, and we can't have two car movies apparently 509 00:22:32,384 --> 00:22:33,984 Speaker 2: with two Hollywood stars. 510 00:22:33,744 --> 00:22:36,504 Speaker 1: At the same time. So I feel like Tom needs 511 00:22:36,504 --> 00:22:40,304 Speaker 1: to just like it's enough being the lead in action movie. 512 00:22:40,464 --> 00:22:41,184 Speaker 1: No let him go. 513 00:22:41,384 --> 00:22:44,224 Speaker 2: He wants to. I just he wants to. Everyone says 514 00:22:44,264 --> 00:22:45,864 Speaker 2: he wants to die during a stunt, and I do 515 00:22:45,944 --> 00:22:48,224 Speaker 2: believe that's true. When he was last year for Mission 516 00:22:48,224 --> 00:22:50,824 Speaker 2: Impossible and he bought this because it was Simon Pegg's birthday, 517 00:22:50,864 --> 00:22:53,104 Speaker 2: he bought this birthday k out on stage and it 518 00:22:53,104 --> 00:22:54,944 Speaker 2: didn't have just normal candles. He had to like light 519 00:22:55,024 --> 00:22:57,344 Speaker 2: fireworks and he'd been Tom Cruise are like literally an 520 00:22:57,344 --> 00:22:59,864 Speaker 2: outside the theater setting, like helping the people set off 521 00:22:59,864 --> 00:23:01,984 Speaker 2: the fireworks. Or like supervising, because he was like, this 522 00:23:02,024 --> 00:23:03,984 Speaker 2: is my night. And I was like, Tom Cruise, if 523 00:23:04,024 --> 00:23:06,184 Speaker 2: you want to die in a firework explosion, that's fine, 524 00:23:06,224 --> 00:23:07,784 Speaker 2: but don't take me down with you just because you 525 00:23:07,824 --> 00:23:09,184 Speaker 2: want to go on a blaze of glory, because no 526 00:23:09,184 --> 00:23:10,824 Speaker 2: one's gonna care about my death if I die in 527 00:23:10,864 --> 00:23:11,864 Speaker 2: the room with Tom Cruise. 528 00:23:11,944 --> 00:23:13,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, I did this thing with him for The Mummy. 529 00:23:14,184 --> 00:23:16,784 Speaker 1: You know that. Yeah, it wasn't a great movie. 530 00:23:16,904 --> 00:23:19,624 Speaker 2: But he was guns are bleazing on that press too. 531 00:23:20,424 --> 00:23:22,464 Speaker 1: He was yeah because he did this, like they did 532 00:23:22,464 --> 00:23:25,104 Speaker 1: this big anti gravity thing. He was talking about it anyway, 533 00:23:25,584 --> 00:23:28,304 Speaker 1: but yeah, he like he loves that stuff and that's 534 00:23:28,344 --> 00:23:30,504 Speaker 1: like where he gets his joy from. I mean, live 535 00:23:30,544 --> 00:23:30,984 Speaker 1: your joy. 536 00:23:31,184 --> 00:23:33,424 Speaker 2: So we'll post that video to our Instagram account if 537 00:23:33,464 --> 00:23:34,784 Speaker 2: you want to go and dissect it in the way 538 00:23:34,784 --> 00:23:36,824 Speaker 2: that we have, but kind of say, let the boys fight, 539 00:23:36,904 --> 00:23:38,944 Speaker 2: let them have, let them be enemies. I love it 540 00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:42,264 Speaker 2: so much for the history lesson I I can't believe 541 00:23:42,304 --> 00:23:44,544 Speaker 2: that it teachers in schools. 542 00:23:45,224 --> 00:23:48,784 Speaker 1: So Anna Camp has made her Red Cover debut with 543 00:23:48,784 --> 00:23:52,024 Speaker 1: her girlfriend Jade Whipkey, and they made their Red Cup 544 00:23:52,184 --> 00:23:55,624 Speaker 1: debut together at the Bride Heard premiere. The reason people 545 00:23:55,624 --> 00:23:57,744 Speaker 1: are talking about this is because there is an eighteen 546 00:23:57,864 --> 00:24:01,224 Speaker 1: year age gap. Anna kind of only recently came out. 547 00:24:01,264 --> 00:24:04,064 Speaker 1: She just came out this Pride Month as a lesbian 548 00:24:04,864 --> 00:24:07,904 Speaker 1: with and this is her first relationship that she just 549 00:24:07,944 --> 00:24:10,224 Speaker 1: made public, So good for her. She said that the 550 00:24:10,504 --> 00:24:14,544 Speaker 1: feedback has been really really great for most people, and 551 00:24:14,664 --> 00:24:17,824 Speaker 1: people have been very very supportive of her. But she 552 00:24:17,944 --> 00:24:20,064 Speaker 1: addressed this backlash people like, you know, this is a 553 00:24:20,104 --> 00:24:22,904 Speaker 1: bit icky, like I'm so happy that you're queer, but 554 00:24:22,984 --> 00:24:26,464 Speaker 1: eighteen years is just way too far apart. And she 555 00:24:26,584 --> 00:24:29,224 Speaker 1: addressed the backlash saying, you know, she's way more mature 556 00:24:29,264 --> 00:24:31,944 Speaker 1: than any man she's dated her own age, that they 557 00:24:31,944 --> 00:24:34,384 Speaker 1: have a really strong about ability and a deep connection. 558 00:24:35,104 --> 00:24:37,544 Speaker 1: So we've got more in common than anyone else I've 559 00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:40,864 Speaker 1: ever dated, and can literally talk about anything and everything. 560 00:24:41,664 --> 00:24:43,464 Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to kind of go into this 561 00:24:43,504 --> 00:24:47,304 Speaker 1: one because there was something about this age gap that 562 00:24:47,424 --> 00:24:50,944 Speaker 1: didn't bother me initially, and I thought that that was 563 00:24:51,024 --> 00:24:53,984 Speaker 1: really interesting because often when we see a large age 564 00:24:53,984 --> 00:24:58,824 Speaker 1: gap relationship, which we have seen with a lot of celebrities, 565 00:25:00,304 --> 00:25:02,864 Speaker 1: and it usually goes in the way of older man 566 00:25:02,864 --> 00:25:06,224 Speaker 1: and younger women. Yeah, exactly, And The big issue that 567 00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,904 Speaker 1: a lot of people have with it is that there 568 00:25:08,984 --> 00:25:15,304 Speaker 1: is an innate power imbalance between an older male star 569 00:25:15,864 --> 00:25:21,584 Speaker 1: and a younger female star. The reason this doesn't feel 570 00:25:22,104 --> 00:25:25,424 Speaker 1: weird to me, I think a big part of it 571 00:25:25,464 --> 00:25:29,704 Speaker 1: is because it is a queer relationship. And I was 572 00:25:29,704 --> 00:25:32,184 Speaker 1: trying to think about why it didn't make me as 573 00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:36,544 Speaker 1: uncomfortable as what like a Leo and his most recent 574 00:25:36,584 --> 00:25:39,704 Speaker 1: twenty five year old And I think the reason is 575 00:25:39,784 --> 00:25:43,024 Speaker 1: that in a queer relationship, you're already looking at a 576 00:25:43,064 --> 00:25:47,664 Speaker 1: power shift. Right, So a queer couple is already going 577 00:25:47,744 --> 00:25:52,664 Speaker 1: to face backlash more so than a straight couple. Right. 578 00:25:53,584 --> 00:25:57,224 Speaker 1: She's just come out, so her vulnerability as a queer 579 00:25:57,264 --> 00:26:00,064 Speaker 1: woman is still like she's still going to be in 580 00:26:00,104 --> 00:26:05,384 Speaker 1: that beginning stage of her coming out process. Like she's 581 00:26:05,424 --> 00:26:08,264 Speaker 1: she's forty two, but this is the first time she 582 00:26:08,344 --> 00:26:11,304 Speaker 1: sort of addressed this publicly. She's got this sense of 583 00:26:11,384 --> 00:26:16,584 Speaker 1: vulnerability there. And her girlfriend, who is you know, she's 584 00:26:16,624 --> 00:26:20,064 Speaker 1: a stylist and a created professional in LA. She's worked 585 00:26:20,064 --> 00:26:24,184 Speaker 1: with celebrities like Kiki Palmer and Destiny Rodgers. She's you know, 586 00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:28,104 Speaker 1: established within the industry. She's got her own job and 587 00:26:28,664 --> 00:26:35,784 Speaker 1: career that imbalance doesn't seem as obvious in this couple. Yeah, 588 00:26:35,864 --> 00:26:38,264 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That makes sense to you. 589 00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:40,064 Speaker 2: No, I had the same thing when I was looking. 590 00:26:40,504 --> 00:26:42,944 Speaker 2: It was sort of delving into their relationship and the 591 00:26:42,984 --> 00:26:45,224 Speaker 2: first time I realized there was an age gap because 592 00:26:45,904 --> 00:26:47,504 Speaker 2: I didn't know her new girlfriend enough to know what 593 00:26:47,544 --> 00:26:49,744 Speaker 2: her age was, and so I didn't know until the 594 00:26:49,824 --> 00:26:53,064 Speaker 2: information started coming out. It's interesting how did the tone 595 00:26:53,104 --> 00:26:56,784 Speaker 2: around Anna Camp and her girlfriend switch so quickly, because 596 00:26:56,784 --> 00:26:59,304 Speaker 2: when it first came out, like there were some pat photos, 597 00:26:59,344 --> 00:27:02,304 Speaker 2: but also that they posted a photo to Instagram's confirming 598 00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:06,144 Speaker 2: they were together, and initially like they're like at a 599 00:27:05,824 --> 00:27:08,064 Speaker 2: court at a. Camp's core fan base I think was 600 00:27:08,064 --> 00:27:11,864 Speaker 2: really thrilled because she has to huge following, in particular 601 00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:15,864 Speaker 2: from the Pitch Perfect movies and the Pitch Perfect Girls. 602 00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:19,424 Speaker 2: Like there's something about like their people being very invested 603 00:27:19,424 --> 00:27:21,664 Speaker 2: in their love lives because that was such a huge 604 00:27:21,704 --> 00:27:24,944 Speaker 2: movie franchise, but behind the scenes, they were all having 605 00:27:25,024 --> 00:27:28,504 Speaker 2: kind of a shit time in their romantic relationships. Like 606 00:27:28,544 --> 00:27:30,384 Speaker 2: it came out that like Anna Kendrick had been in 607 00:27:30,384 --> 00:27:34,704 Speaker 2: an emotionally abusive relationship for many years, never named the person, 608 00:27:34,784 --> 00:27:36,544 Speaker 2: but it's kind of thought that it was when these 609 00:27:36,584 --> 00:27:38,744 Speaker 2: movies were happening, and that's why she made that Alice 610 00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:43,104 Speaker 2: Starling movie that's about emotional abuse. And then Brittany Snow 611 00:27:43,464 --> 00:27:45,584 Speaker 2: got married to a reality TV star and that was 612 00:27:45,584 --> 00:27:47,424 Speaker 2: such a huge thing to she shared this fairy tale, 613 00:27:47,584 --> 00:27:49,984 Speaker 2: only then to watch the reality show play out and 614 00:27:49,984 --> 00:27:51,544 Speaker 2: realize he was kind of cheating on her with a 615 00:27:51,584 --> 00:27:54,104 Speaker 2: co star, and then they divorced. And then Anna Camp 616 00:27:54,184 --> 00:27:56,464 Speaker 2: actually fell in love with Skyler Austin, who's the lead 617 00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:58,704 Speaker 2: in Pitch Perfect. That he's a love interest for Anna 618 00:27:59,104 --> 00:28:02,704 Speaker 2: Kendrick's character, and that was a huge thing because she 619 00:28:02,984 --> 00:28:06,664 Speaker 2: had been divorced previously to working on Pitch Perfect and 620 00:28:06,704 --> 00:28:08,944 Speaker 2: she didn't think she'd find love again. And she said 621 00:28:08,984 --> 00:28:12,744 Speaker 2: she and Skyla Austin just grew really close during the 622 00:28:12,744 --> 00:28:15,464 Speaker 2: making of the first movie, and then he was like, 623 00:28:15,464 --> 00:28:17,824 Speaker 2: I have a crush on you, basically, and I wanted 624 00:28:17,904 --> 00:28:20,504 Speaker 2: us to be together, and she kept pushing him away, saying, 625 00:28:20,544 --> 00:28:22,464 Speaker 2: you're too young, You're too young for me. I think 626 00:28:22,504 --> 00:28:24,944 Speaker 2: they had like a five or six year age maybe 627 00:28:24,944 --> 00:28:26,824 Speaker 2: not even that much, but not a huge age gap, 628 00:28:26,864 --> 00:28:28,504 Speaker 2: but just like he was a bit younger than her. 629 00:28:28,864 --> 00:28:31,984 Speaker 2: And she kept saying no initially, and then they were 630 00:28:31,984 --> 00:28:34,384 Speaker 2: together and they had this beautiful, fairy tale wedding and 631 00:28:34,384 --> 00:28:36,744 Speaker 2: they were like this pitch perfect love story. And so 632 00:28:36,784 --> 00:28:39,224 Speaker 2: when they divorced, everyone was like, oh Anna Camp is 633 00:28:39,264 --> 00:28:41,304 Speaker 2: just like she's twice divorced, she's unlucky in love. We 634 00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:44,264 Speaker 2: want her to find someone. And then also people were 635 00:28:44,304 --> 00:28:48,264 Speaker 2: so invested in Rebel Wilson's story, yeah, around her finding 636 00:28:48,304 --> 00:28:50,304 Speaker 2: love with Ramona and the two of them getting married. 637 00:28:50,304 --> 00:28:52,704 Speaker 2: So I think when these photos came out and Anna 638 00:28:52,744 --> 00:28:55,824 Speaker 2: Kamp said I'm the happiest I've ever been, there was 639 00:28:55,824 --> 00:28:58,104 Speaker 2: this kind of initial thrill of everyone being so happy 640 00:28:58,144 --> 00:29:00,384 Speaker 2: that after everything she and like her co stars, it's 641 00:29:00,384 --> 00:29:02,864 Speaker 2: weird how we kind of had this parasocial relationship with them. 642 00:29:03,064 --> 00:29:05,504 Speaker 2: Everyone was so happy that had worked out, and then 643 00:29:05,504 --> 00:29:07,664 Speaker 2: people started doing the math and realizing there was the 644 00:29:07,744 --> 00:29:10,784 Speaker 2: eighteen year age gap, which I'm I'm kind of the 645 00:29:10,784 --> 00:29:13,024 Speaker 2: same as you as that in terms of like, it 646 00:29:13,064 --> 00:29:15,024 Speaker 2: didn't bother me when I first saw it, but it 647 00:29:15,024 --> 00:29:17,144 Speaker 2: definitely would have bothered me if it had been a 648 00:29:17,144 --> 00:29:19,944 Speaker 2: man and a woman. But maybe we do, you know what, 649 00:29:19,984 --> 00:29:21,104 Speaker 2: I think it's surprise. 650 00:29:21,584 --> 00:29:25,704 Speaker 1: I think the difference is let's look at like I think, 651 00:29:25,744 --> 00:29:29,104 Speaker 1: particularly with age gap relationships, the biggest things to look 652 00:29:29,144 --> 00:29:32,224 Speaker 1: at are what is the power difference? Like is this 653 00:29:32,424 --> 00:29:38,104 Speaker 1: a boss employee situation? Is this someone where the older 654 00:29:38,144 --> 00:29:41,504 Speaker 1: person has significantly more status in the like let's just 655 00:29:41,624 --> 00:29:43,584 Speaker 1: if we're talking about industry. Yeah, h do they have 656 00:29:43,664 --> 00:29:47,544 Speaker 1: significantly more status? Is that going to affect it? The 657 00:29:47,624 --> 00:29:49,664 Speaker 1: other thing that I think is really important in these 658 00:29:49,704 --> 00:29:53,264 Speaker 1: age gap relationships is how young were they when they met. 659 00:29:53,624 --> 00:29:56,064 Speaker 1: I think it's a really big difference between you know, 660 00:29:56,184 --> 00:29:58,984 Speaker 1: a thirty and a forty eight year old dating to 661 00:29:59,184 --> 00:30:01,864 Speaker 1: an eighteen and a thirty six year old dating. Yeah, 662 00:30:01,864 --> 00:30:03,184 Speaker 1: how good was my maths? Just then? 663 00:30:03,464 --> 00:30:03,864 Speaker 2: So good? 664 00:30:04,144 --> 00:30:06,144 Speaker 1: That's shout out to Moniesia for doing that for me. 665 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,784 Speaker 2: Yeah we did pause the point. Yeah, Yeah, It's always 666 00:30:08,824 --> 00:30:12,064 Speaker 2: that things like the older both people get, the more 667 00:30:12,104 --> 00:30:14,344 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, now you're both fully adults, so you 668 00:30:14,344 --> 00:30:16,344 Speaker 2: can kind of make your own decision. It's weird. There's 669 00:30:16,344 --> 00:30:18,624 Speaker 2: not really like a time I think when it becomes 670 00:30:18,664 --> 00:30:21,344 Speaker 2: icky with an age gap relationship. But my thinking always 671 00:30:21,384 --> 00:30:23,824 Speaker 2: be is always that it becomes a little bit ikey 672 00:30:24,304 --> 00:30:27,064 Speaker 2: if they could kind of easily be your parent, like 673 00:30:27,224 --> 00:30:30,904 Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen kind of then you're getting into like it's 674 00:30:30,984 --> 00:30:33,944 Speaker 2: like quite feasible that you could be the parent. You know. 675 00:30:33,984 --> 00:30:36,544 Speaker 1: What's actually interesting in the Serbian Orthodox Church, it's not 676 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:40,624 Speaker 1: like official, officially part of the church, it's not the canon, 677 00:30:40,784 --> 00:30:43,184 Speaker 1: but the church like to be sort of under like 678 00:30:43,264 --> 00:30:47,344 Speaker 1: fifteen years because they say that, you know, you might 679 00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:49,744 Speaker 1: need more counseling or something like, they like to see 680 00:30:49,784 --> 00:30:52,504 Speaker 1: smaller age gaps in the Serbian Orthodox Church, which I 681 00:30:52,544 --> 00:30:56,184 Speaker 1: thought was really interesting, But fifteen years kind of doesn't 682 00:30:56,184 --> 00:30:59,304 Speaker 1: make sense because it's like that's almost a generation. 683 00:30:59,224 --> 00:31:01,104 Speaker 2: That's getting into the whole thing of then they could 684 00:31:01,144 --> 00:31:04,224 Speaker 2: be your parents. Yes, yes, And I think when Anna 685 00:31:04,264 --> 00:31:07,304 Speaker 2: Camp was responding to critics about it, what she was 686 00:31:07,344 --> 00:31:09,784 Speaker 2: saying was, I guess kind of what you'd say in 687 00:31:09,784 --> 00:31:12,464 Speaker 2: that situation is when she's saying, like, we have so 688 00:31:12,584 --> 00:31:15,584 Speaker 2: much in common, this is the most kind of loving 689 00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:18,584 Speaker 2: relationship I've been in. We don't feel the age gap, 690 00:31:18,624 --> 00:31:20,584 Speaker 2: and like, potentially that's true. That's the thing is, like 691 00:31:20,584 --> 00:31:22,264 Speaker 2: it's hard to kind of put all these age gap 692 00:31:22,304 --> 00:31:24,864 Speaker 2: relationships in one box when you kind of see this 693 00:31:25,064 --> 00:31:28,304 Speaker 2: really old man who's like in the like the top 694 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:31,824 Speaker 2: of Hollywood and has been in movies for thirty years. Yeah, 695 00:31:31,864 --> 00:31:35,504 Speaker 2: maybe I'm talking about Leonardo DiCaprio. And you see him, yeah. 696 00:31:35,304 --> 00:31:37,864 Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly, man Robert DeNiro. 697 00:31:37,864 --> 00:31:41,704 Speaker 2: And you see him walking next to this like sort 698 00:31:41,704 --> 00:31:44,224 Speaker 2: of shy, timid looking woman who's kind of like not 699 00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:47,144 Speaker 2: even a proper adult yet, is maybe in her first job, 700 00:31:47,224 --> 00:31:49,864 Speaker 2: probably that long ago, wasn't living at home. Like that 701 00:31:49,904 --> 00:31:53,024 Speaker 2: looks so weird because it's like, you guys can't say that, 702 00:31:53,064 --> 00:31:56,984 Speaker 2: even though Leonardo DiCaprio's girlfriend, Vittoria has said that they 703 00:31:57,704 --> 00:32:00,184 Speaker 2: she feels very on the same page with him because 704 00:32:00,184 --> 00:32:03,984 Speaker 2: she's in her twenties and he's fifty. It's like they 705 00:32:04,064 --> 00:32:06,944 Speaker 2: just look like they shouldn't have anything in common. But 706 00:32:06,944 --> 00:32:09,144 Speaker 2: I don't know something about Anna Camp and her girlfriend does. 707 00:32:09,544 --> 00:32:11,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a career. I feel like it's 708 00:32:11,584 --> 00:32:15,344 Speaker 1: also she's a creative herself. She's she's a stylist, she's working. 709 00:32:15,424 --> 00:32:18,504 Speaker 1: She's twenty four years old as well, she's not eighteen. Yeah, 710 00:32:18,784 --> 00:32:21,704 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I know it's hard, but 711 00:32:21,744 --> 00:32:25,384 Speaker 1: also if this is also I think something that's really 712 00:32:25,424 --> 00:32:29,784 Speaker 1: really key here. Anna Camp is a baby lesbian, right, 713 00:32:30,424 --> 00:32:33,184 Speaker 1: Jade Whipkey could have come out when she was sixteen 714 00:32:33,744 --> 00:32:39,624 Speaker 1: and her experience as a queen woman lesbian relationship, she's 715 00:32:39,664 --> 00:32:42,904 Speaker 1: going to be the one with more experience, yeah, in 716 00:32:43,344 --> 00:32:46,464 Speaker 1: a one hundred percent and being more comfortable in her sexuality. 717 00:32:46,744 --> 00:32:47,384 Speaker 2: Yeah. 718 00:32:47,464 --> 00:32:50,304 Speaker 1: So there you go. There's a power shift there, as exactly. 719 00:32:50,304 --> 00:32:51,944 Speaker 2: I think there's layers. I think one of the reasons 720 00:32:51,984 --> 00:32:54,384 Speaker 2: is that when you see a celebrity couple, because the 721 00:32:54,384 --> 00:32:55,904 Speaker 2: thing is that we don't know any of these people, 722 00:32:55,944 --> 00:32:58,664 Speaker 2: so you immediately just project onto them what you know 723 00:32:58,744 --> 00:33:00,984 Speaker 2: is to be true about society. And I think the 724 00:33:01,064 --> 00:33:04,944 Speaker 2: reason why a same sex relationship, particularly two women, doesn't 725 00:33:04,984 --> 00:33:08,704 Speaker 2: look as threatening as an older man younger woman is 726 00:33:08,704 --> 00:33:12,184 Speaker 2: that in our society, older man just are predominantly more 727 00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:16,784 Speaker 2: in power, more controlling, yeah, more predatory. That's just a fact, 728 00:33:17,104 --> 00:33:19,824 Speaker 2: and so I think you immediately project that onto them 729 00:33:19,944 --> 00:33:21,944 Speaker 2: because it's based on facts, like you can't go into 730 00:33:21,944 --> 00:33:23,664 Speaker 2: every single couple and sort of look at their own 731 00:33:23,664 --> 00:33:26,024 Speaker 2: power dynamic. But also the fame thing does come into 732 00:33:26,064 --> 00:33:28,264 Speaker 2: play because I remember when kath Ebbs did their big 733 00:33:28,304 --> 00:33:32,384 Speaker 2: breakup kind of explain it on their own podcast, talking 734 00:33:32,424 --> 00:33:35,304 Speaker 2: about after the whole Jojo siwar thing blew up after 735 00:33:35,384 --> 00:33:38,664 Speaker 2: Celebrity Big Brother, and Kath was getting a lot of 736 00:33:38,704 --> 00:33:41,944 Speaker 2: accusations because they were in their late twenties and Jojo 737 00:33:42,104 --> 00:33:45,544 Speaker 2: was in their early twenties that they were grooming Jojo. 738 00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:47,704 Speaker 2: It was a power and balance and they came out 739 00:33:47,744 --> 00:33:49,824 Speaker 2: and said that you have to look at a few 740 00:33:49,864 --> 00:33:52,504 Speaker 2: different facts, and one is that like, yes, Kath is like, yes, 741 00:33:52,544 --> 00:33:55,464 Speaker 2: I have more life experience because I'm older. But Jojo 742 00:33:55,784 --> 00:33:59,264 Speaker 2: has been famous for a very long time. She's I'm 743 00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:02,024 Speaker 2: paraphrasing here, but Kath said, like Jojo has been famous 744 00:34:02,024 --> 00:34:04,184 Speaker 2: for a very long time. They have a huge amount 745 00:34:04,184 --> 00:34:06,944 Speaker 2: of experience in that area. They also have a huge team, 746 00:34:06,984 --> 00:34:09,704 Speaker 2: they have a huge amount of money. So it like 747 00:34:09,784 --> 00:34:11,904 Speaker 2: kind of some does go through an even and out 748 00:34:11,944 --> 00:34:13,984 Speaker 2: when you look at the playing field, there's a few 749 00:34:13,984 --> 00:34:15,024 Speaker 2: different factors in there. 750 00:34:15,264 --> 00:34:18,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think my key and I really do 751 00:34:18,064 --> 00:34:21,504 Speaker 1: think that this is very important. Anna Camp looks happy. 752 00:34:22,104 --> 00:34:23,864 Speaker 1: She seems happy, and that's what she said. 753 00:34:23,664 --> 00:34:25,704 Speaker 2: Because she's had to be in the weeds, like defending, 754 00:34:25,784 --> 00:34:28,544 Speaker 2: Like there's that initial burst of happiness. But since they 755 00:34:28,584 --> 00:34:31,544 Speaker 2: made their red Carpet debut, she's gotten a huge amount 756 00:34:31,544 --> 00:34:33,664 Speaker 2: of backlash and she's in the comments and she's putting 757 00:34:33,704 --> 00:34:35,864 Speaker 2: out statements and she's fighting back against it. 758 00:34:35,984 --> 00:34:38,624 Speaker 1: I actually think it's very very key. I know I 759 00:34:38,664 --> 00:34:40,184 Speaker 1: said this before, but I want to say it again. 760 00:34:40,424 --> 00:34:44,104 Speaker 1: Anna Camp is new to being a lesbian. That is 761 00:34:44,144 --> 00:34:46,744 Speaker 1: going to shift her power. Yeah, that is going to 762 00:34:46,824 --> 00:34:51,304 Speaker 1: make a difference in this relationship. You have someone like Jade, 763 00:34:51,704 --> 00:34:53,984 Speaker 1: And I'm making an assumption here, so maybe this isn't 764 00:34:53,984 --> 00:34:58,504 Speaker 1: correct Jade who has been more comfortable with her sexuality 765 00:34:59,704 --> 00:35:03,744 Speaker 1: like guiding her through No, no, no, I completely its 766 00:35:03,824 --> 00:35:04,904 Speaker 1: really like key there. 767 00:35:05,784 --> 00:35:07,504 Speaker 2: No, I completely agree. And I think this is why 768 00:35:07,544 --> 00:35:09,824 Speaker 2: every time the age gat conversation comes up, like you 769 00:35:09,864 --> 00:35:12,144 Speaker 2: have your reaction, which is very like kind of based 770 00:35:12,184 --> 00:35:14,384 Speaker 2: on society, but then there are all these layers that 771 00:35:14,464 --> 00:35:16,064 Speaker 2: we have to peel through. And I guess that's also 772 00:35:16,144 --> 00:35:18,944 Speaker 2: like it's a kind of like it's a difficult conversations 773 00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:21,304 Speaker 2: sometimes because you're talking about these people in their relationship 774 00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:22,984 Speaker 2: and we don't know the ins and outs. But I 775 00:35:23,024 --> 00:35:25,344 Speaker 2: think it's a bigger societal question as like more of 776 00:35:25,344 --> 00:35:28,424 Speaker 2: these age romancewers are in the public eye to kind 777 00:35:28,424 --> 00:35:31,264 Speaker 2: of dissect why we have these extreme reactions too. 778 00:35:31,384 --> 00:35:33,224 Speaker 1: I just go off my gut, and my gut told 779 00:35:33,264 --> 00:35:34,064 Speaker 1: me it wasn't icky. 780 00:35:34,344 --> 00:35:37,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, okayse close. 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