1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,154 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mum with mea podcast. Makeup is 2 00:00:16,194 --> 00:00:16,954 Speaker 1: my therapy. 3 00:00:17,154 --> 00:00:21,034 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. 4 00:00:24,754 --> 00:00:28,034 Speaker 1: Hey, beauty lovers, it's kel here and welcome back to 5 00:00:28,274 --> 00:00:32,074 Speaker 1: the formula. Now, before we dive into today's episode, I 6 00:00:32,114 --> 00:00:34,793 Speaker 1: need to give you a quick heads up about how 7 00:00:34,833 --> 00:00:37,553 Speaker 1: we are going to be talking about the treatments today. 8 00:00:37,954 --> 00:00:39,954 Speaker 1: So you'll notice that doctor Yoda and I are using 9 00:00:40,034 --> 00:00:46,193 Speaker 1: very general terms things like collagen stimulating treatments and volumeizing, 10 00:00:46,793 --> 00:00:50,473 Speaker 1: rather than specific brand names or product names. That is 11 00:00:50,553 --> 00:00:54,074 Speaker 1: because brand names and products are really heavily regulated by 12 00:00:54,074 --> 00:00:57,353 Speaker 1: the TGA, and it's the only way that we can 13 00:00:57,394 --> 00:01:00,794 Speaker 1: have this conversation and stay compliant. But if you go 14 00:01:00,834 --> 00:01:03,914 Speaker 1: away and google what these terms mean, you will understand 15 00:01:03,954 --> 00:01:06,714 Speaker 1: what we are referring to. So we are doing this 16 00:01:06,794 --> 00:01:10,874 Speaker 1: week in try to give you educational content where possible, 17 00:01:11,274 --> 00:01:13,594 Speaker 1: while following all the guidelines because no one wants to 18 00:01:13,634 --> 00:01:17,434 Speaker 1: get into trouble. This whole conversation is joeneral in nature. 19 00:01:17,674 --> 00:01:21,914 Speaker 1: It doesn't take anyone's individual circumstances into account, so please 20 00:01:22,114 --> 00:01:26,874 Speaker 1: always speak to a qualified health practitioner before considering any 21 00:01:26,874 --> 00:01:30,274 Speaker 1: sort of cosmetic treatment. I've always been honest about treatments 22 00:01:30,314 --> 00:01:34,474 Speaker 1: I try, and today we are diving straight into collagen stimulators, 23 00:01:34,794 --> 00:01:37,953 Speaker 1: one of the most talked about treatments in esthetics right now, 24 00:01:38,234 --> 00:01:41,154 Speaker 1: which I've tried a bunch of them over the past 25 00:01:41,154 --> 00:01:44,834 Speaker 1: few years and they're pretty damn good. Today, I'm joined 26 00:01:44,874 --> 00:01:48,314 Speaker 1: by doctor Yalder from Epios Cosmetic Clinic to break down 27 00:01:48,394 --> 00:01:52,554 Speaker 1: the real science behind these treatments. Doctor Yalder, Welcome to 28 00:01:52,874 --> 00:01:53,514 Speaker 1: the formula. 29 00:01:53,994 --> 00:01:55,914 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skill. 30 00:01:56,074 --> 00:02:02,354 Speaker 1: But how all right, doctor Yalder? Can you please I 31 00:02:02,434 --> 00:02:05,154 Speaker 1: just said that so seriously, Doctor Yolder, can you please 32 00:02:05,274 --> 00:02:07,514 Speaker 1: kick things off for us by explaining what an earth 33 00:02:07,594 --> 00:02:10,554 Speaker 1: a collagen stimulator is and how does it work? 34 00:02:10,794 --> 00:02:11,474 Speaker 3: Very good question. 35 00:02:11,913 --> 00:02:15,514 Speaker 2: A collagen stimulator is actually an umbrella term. It's a 36 00:02:15,594 --> 00:02:18,514 Speaker 2: tome that's been thrown around everywhere, but I think it's 37 00:02:18,514 --> 00:02:21,434 Speaker 2: important to kind of discuss what that entails. It could 38 00:02:21,514 --> 00:02:24,354 Speaker 2: be as simple as your skin care. Some skincare can 39 00:02:24,474 --> 00:02:29,274 Speaker 2: stimulate collagen how well, when use peptides, retinoids, vitamin C. 40 00:02:29,754 --> 00:02:32,034 Speaker 2: So there are lots of evidence to suggest that skincare 41 00:02:32,074 --> 00:02:33,594 Speaker 2: can stimulate collagen. 42 00:02:33,234 --> 00:02:35,434 Speaker 1: Because it's promoting that cell turnover. 43 00:02:35,234 --> 00:02:39,074 Speaker 2: Absolutely and also some ingredients can penetrate to the middle 44 00:02:39,114 --> 00:02:42,353 Speaker 2: layer of the skin, the dermis, and that's where our fibroblasts, 45 00:02:42,394 --> 00:02:45,674 Speaker 2: the cells that are essentially responsible for making our collagen 46 00:02:45,754 --> 00:02:48,834 Speaker 2: and elastin live and it can kind of wake them up. 47 00:02:49,154 --> 00:02:52,354 Speaker 2: Fibroblasts are really important when it comes to collagen stimulation. 48 00:02:52,714 --> 00:02:56,074 Speaker 2: But yeah, so the variety of treatments that falls under 49 00:02:56,114 --> 00:02:57,594 Speaker 2: this is quite big. 50 00:02:57,674 --> 00:03:00,194 Speaker 1: And for anyone playing along at home, I mean, I'm 51 00:03:00,194 --> 00:03:03,114 Speaker 1: sure that most ubis are aware. But if someone is 52 00:03:03,154 --> 00:03:05,194 Speaker 1: like that, why why are we looking for more collagen 53 00:03:05,274 --> 00:03:07,594 Speaker 1: or why are we trying to stimulate it? We could 54 00:03:07,714 --> 00:03:10,594 Speaker 1: use your six month old baby as a good example. Absolutely, 55 00:03:10,674 --> 00:03:12,314 Speaker 1: that's perfect skin exactly. 56 00:03:12,354 --> 00:03:14,634 Speaker 2: So his skin at the moment is very plump, and 57 00:03:14,674 --> 00:03:18,394 Speaker 2: that's because it's perfect as plump is soft, it's constantly 58 00:03:18,434 --> 00:03:22,714 Speaker 2: regenerating itself. It's daily, sometimes even hourly. When you're reaching 59 00:03:22,754 --> 00:03:26,154 Speaker 2: your twenties and your thirties, your cell turnover is so 60 00:03:26,274 --> 00:03:29,034 Speaker 2: slow compared to when you were a baby, and that's 61 00:03:29,034 --> 00:03:31,594 Speaker 2: why we get the skin changes. And then also it's 62 00:03:31,634 --> 00:03:35,074 Speaker 2: important to note that from your mid twenties, unfortunately, we 63 00:03:35,154 --> 00:03:40,874 Speaker 2: lose collagen. It's a downward trajectory. Basically, downward spiral exactly. 64 00:03:40,994 --> 00:03:43,874 Speaker 2: And look, it comes with the joy of being a lot. 65 00:03:43,874 --> 00:03:45,554 Speaker 2: I don't want to put like a negative onto this. 66 00:03:45,794 --> 00:03:47,794 Speaker 2: Aging is a privilege. 67 00:03:47,234 --> 00:03:49,034 Speaker 1: As you get older. Yes, you might not have as 68 00:03:49,114 --> 00:03:50,634 Speaker 1: much college, but you actually don't care. 69 00:03:51,034 --> 00:03:53,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like you've lived life, you've got experiences 70 00:03:53,314 --> 00:03:55,434 Speaker 2: instead of it. But yeah, this is why people are 71 00:03:55,434 --> 00:03:58,634 Speaker 2: talking about it because as we lose collagen, you essentially 72 00:03:58,674 --> 00:04:01,074 Speaker 2: your skin is not as firm as plump and then 73 00:04:01,154 --> 00:04:03,714 Speaker 2: those fine lines and wrinkles are more noticeable. So that's 74 00:04:03,754 --> 00:04:07,034 Speaker 2: why people are going towards these treatments. 75 00:04:07,314 --> 00:04:10,034 Speaker 1: So let's just say that someone is looking for some 76 00:04:10,074 --> 00:04:13,394 Speaker 1: sort of a collagen stimulator. Before we get into the 77 00:04:13,434 --> 00:04:16,954 Speaker 1: technical stuff, walk me through what the experience would look 78 00:04:17,074 --> 00:04:20,234 Speaker 1: like like what does someone actually go through when they 79 00:04:20,354 --> 00:04:22,474 Speaker 1: walk into the door to walking back out. 80 00:04:22,594 --> 00:04:26,553 Speaker 2: So most of my patients, they will require a consultation 81 00:04:26,914 --> 00:04:30,313 Speaker 2: to begin with. If someone is completely new to cosmetic treatments, 82 00:04:31,234 --> 00:04:32,993 Speaker 2: I don't really think it's the right thing to do 83 00:04:33,034 --> 00:04:34,914 Speaker 2: to treat them on the same day. They're kind of 84 00:04:34,993 --> 00:04:38,993 Speaker 2: bombarded with so much information in the consult that they 85 00:04:39,034 --> 00:04:40,793 Speaker 2: kind of need a bit of time to go away. 86 00:04:40,914 --> 00:04:43,273 Speaker 2: Think about it, Think about whether that's the right treatment 87 00:04:43,393 --> 00:04:47,113 Speaker 2: that we've recommended. The pricing's also really important. And also 88 00:04:47,354 --> 00:04:50,233 Speaker 2: the other thing is is that because we can't show 89 00:04:50,594 --> 00:04:54,073 Speaker 2: our work online in terms of like before and afters, 90 00:04:54,633 --> 00:04:55,674 Speaker 2: I kind of find that. 91 00:04:55,753 --> 00:04:56,754 Speaker 3: It's a bit strange. 92 00:04:57,234 --> 00:04:59,433 Speaker 2: You can, like the patient can't ask for a portfolio 93 00:04:59,513 --> 00:05:02,073 Speaker 2: and you can show them in the room, but it 94 00:05:02,154 --> 00:05:04,914 Speaker 2: puts them like on the spot and you kind of like, hey, 95 00:05:04,953 --> 00:05:05,954 Speaker 2: do you want me to kind of so do you 96 00:05:06,034 --> 00:05:07,433 Speaker 2: want me to come out? 97 00:05:07,113 --> 00:05:08,714 Speaker 1: It's an awful lot of life. 98 00:05:08,753 --> 00:05:11,993 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit intimidating. They've just met you, they've 99 00:05:12,034 --> 00:05:14,394 Speaker 2: seen your work, they've got all of this information, and 100 00:05:14,753 --> 00:05:16,713 Speaker 2: it's better for them to go away think about it, 101 00:05:16,753 --> 00:05:18,794 Speaker 2: make sure you're the right practitioner for them, make sure 102 00:05:18,834 --> 00:05:21,193 Speaker 2: they're happy to spend that money and then come back. 103 00:05:21,433 --> 00:05:24,113 Speaker 2: So if a patient walks through the door, depending on 104 00:05:24,633 --> 00:05:28,074 Speaker 2: what age they are, we would sit with them, look 105 00:05:28,113 --> 00:05:31,674 Speaker 2: at what their concerns are. You can't address all concerns 106 00:05:31,714 --> 00:05:34,873 Speaker 2: with all treatments, so kind of prioritizing the concerns based 107 00:05:34,873 --> 00:05:37,474 Speaker 2: on their budget coming up the treatment plan. Most of 108 00:05:37,513 --> 00:05:39,753 Speaker 2: these treatment plans will have a course like it's not 109 00:05:39,834 --> 00:05:41,953 Speaker 2: really a one off making sure that they're happy with 110 00:05:41,993 --> 00:05:44,954 Speaker 2: the maintenance program as well, and then if they're happy, 111 00:05:44,993 --> 00:05:48,033 Speaker 2: they would book another appointment for the actual treatment, and 112 00:05:48,034 --> 00:05:50,953 Speaker 2: then that's really where the relationship starts from. It's a relationship. 113 00:05:51,034 --> 00:05:52,993 Speaker 2: I would hate to say that it's you know, you 114 00:05:53,073 --> 00:05:55,594 Speaker 2: come and see me once and then you're really happy 115 00:05:55,594 --> 00:05:58,633 Speaker 2: for ten years. Unfortunately that doesn't even happen with surgery, 116 00:05:59,313 --> 00:06:02,354 Speaker 2: So it's a relationship. I guess that initial consults really 117 00:06:02,354 --> 00:06:05,593 Speaker 2: important both for the patient and the practitioner to kind 118 00:06:05,594 --> 00:06:06,474 Speaker 2: of make sure that they gel. 119 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:08,753 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want someone that is going to be 120 00:06:08,794 --> 00:06:10,633 Speaker 1: coming to you all the time and winging about every 121 00:06:10,674 --> 00:06:13,354 Speaker 1: single thing, and you want a good patient as well. 122 00:06:14,633 --> 00:06:17,594 Speaker 2: Sure thing I might and I always talk about. 123 00:06:17,393 --> 00:06:19,113 Speaker 1: You know, you touched on it's not just a one 124 00:06:19,154 --> 00:06:22,873 Speaker 1: off thing that if someone has got some money to 125 00:06:22,953 --> 00:06:25,873 Speaker 1: spend and they're thinking about going and getting a facial 126 00:06:25,914 --> 00:06:29,034 Speaker 1: treatment or a facial whatnot. I'm always like, just go 127 00:06:29,113 --> 00:06:31,514 Speaker 1: and buy one to two really good serums because you're 128 00:06:31,513 --> 00:06:33,193 Speaker 1: going to get more benefits out of that than just 129 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:34,674 Speaker 1: like a random one off. It's like going to the 130 00:06:34,714 --> 00:06:35,193 Speaker 1: gym once. 131 00:06:35,354 --> 00:06:36,394 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for sure. 132 00:06:36,513 --> 00:06:38,553 Speaker 2: I kind of talk about it in terms of tears right, 133 00:06:38,794 --> 00:06:41,834 Speaker 2: You've got to make sure that your home stuff is 134 00:06:42,073 --> 00:06:44,474 Speaker 2: you've got it down to a tee, your skincare, whether 135 00:06:44,513 --> 00:06:46,954 Speaker 2: you're on an led lighte, you know, you're you've got 136 00:06:46,953 --> 00:06:49,914 Speaker 2: a really good lifestyle in terms of exercising and not 137 00:06:49,993 --> 00:06:53,714 Speaker 2: smoking and UV protection and eating enough protein. So you've 138 00:06:53,714 --> 00:06:56,633 Speaker 2: got to make sure that that's kind of at least 139 00:06:56,674 --> 00:06:58,353 Speaker 2: like vaguely healthy. 140 00:06:58,993 --> 00:07:02,234 Speaker 1: And then rather than someone that uses soap no sunscreen, yeah, 141 00:07:02,274 --> 00:07:04,153 Speaker 1: like like the smokes a pack and then they're like, yeah, 142 00:07:04,193 --> 00:07:05,034 Speaker 1: please help. 143 00:07:04,953 --> 00:07:07,833 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, And I think just touching up on that 144 00:07:07,873 --> 00:07:08,193 Speaker 2: as well. 145 00:07:08,193 --> 00:07:09,994 Speaker 3: In terms of collagen production. 146 00:07:10,274 --> 00:07:14,234 Speaker 2: Your body cannot make collisen from thin air, Like your 147 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:15,994 Speaker 2: body's making that collagen. 148 00:07:15,914 --> 00:07:17,234 Speaker 3: So you have to fuel it. 149 00:07:17,393 --> 00:07:19,713 Speaker 2: So you've got to have enough protein and take is 150 00:07:19,714 --> 00:07:22,234 Speaker 2: that why we have protein? Well, you need protein because 151 00:07:22,234 --> 00:07:24,434 Speaker 2: of just like the building blocks of life, your little 152 00:07:24,514 --> 00:07:25,594 Speaker 2: amino acids. You know. 153 00:07:26,234 --> 00:07:29,034 Speaker 1: I always like I'm a dietitian's worst arme because I'm 154 00:07:29,034 --> 00:07:34,434 Speaker 1: a vegetarian that hates most protein powder, hate it, hate it. 155 00:07:34,674 --> 00:07:36,074 Speaker 1: I try like most protein. 156 00:07:36,154 --> 00:07:38,594 Speaker 2: But it is really important if you want colagen induction treatments, 157 00:07:38,634 --> 00:07:42,354 Speaker 2: like whatever the treatment is, whether it's like a device 158 00:07:42,634 --> 00:07:45,754 Speaker 2: or an inclinic treatment or a skin care. It can 159 00:07:45,874 --> 00:07:50,914 Speaker 2: only do what you kind of allowing your body to do, so. 160 00:07:51,074 --> 00:07:51,514 Speaker 3: You need to. 161 00:07:51,953 --> 00:07:54,074 Speaker 1: I think you're the first person that's actually convinced me 162 00:07:54,554 --> 00:07:56,554 Speaker 1: feel for the skin. I'm always power for the skin. 163 00:07:56,754 --> 00:07:57,314 Speaker 1: I'm fine. 164 00:07:57,714 --> 00:07:57,914 Speaker 2: Yeah. 165 00:07:57,953 --> 00:07:59,593 Speaker 1: Like people will be like, oh, don't you have no energy? 166 00:07:59,634 --> 00:08:00,674 Speaker 1: I'm like no, I'm. 167 00:08:00,514 --> 00:08:04,074 Speaker 2: Fine, yeah, but now like my skin, my skin, it's important. 168 00:08:04,474 --> 00:08:05,474 Speaker 3: Let me have my protein. 169 00:08:10,474 --> 00:08:12,554 Speaker 1: What trends are you seeing in this type of treatment? 170 00:08:12,674 --> 00:08:15,394 Speaker 1: So are people asking for it or you sort of 171 00:08:15,474 --> 00:08:17,754 Speaker 1: telling people about it? Because that's the thing where it's 172 00:08:17,794 --> 00:08:20,153 Speaker 1: like no one can really talk about these things, so 173 00:08:20,474 --> 00:08:23,074 Speaker 1: is it word of mouth? And are a lot of 174 00:08:23,114 --> 00:08:24,474 Speaker 1: different age groups coming in? 175 00:08:24,674 --> 00:08:27,594 Speaker 2: So this is just based on my experience and in 176 00:08:27,634 --> 00:08:30,514 Speaker 2: my clinic, I find that the younger patients and my 177 00:08:30,634 --> 00:08:33,794 Speaker 2: younger I mean twenty five to thirty five are really 178 00:08:33,834 --> 00:08:38,434 Speaker 2: clude on, really clude on right. And fortunately or unfortunately, 179 00:08:38,474 --> 00:08:40,834 Speaker 2: there are lots of videos from other countries where they 180 00:08:40,914 --> 00:08:43,834 Speaker 2: can talk about these treatments. So they've done their research 181 00:08:43,834 --> 00:08:45,594 Speaker 2: a little bit and they come to me and they're like, hey, 182 00:08:45,674 --> 00:08:48,554 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about xysor treatment, what do you think? And 183 00:08:48,594 --> 00:08:52,314 Speaker 2: we can talk about it, whereas I think thirty five upwards, 184 00:08:52,394 --> 00:08:56,674 Speaker 2: it's usually me recommending it based on their concerns. So 185 00:08:57,034 --> 00:09:00,634 Speaker 2: I think in terms of the trends, it's hard to say, 186 00:09:00,674 --> 00:09:03,234 Speaker 2: because every now and then there's a new device, there's 187 00:09:03,274 --> 00:09:04,754 Speaker 2: a new product, and then it gets a bit of 188 00:09:04,754 --> 00:09:07,714 Speaker 2: a hype, and look, what may work for you, you 189 00:09:07,754 --> 00:09:10,274 Speaker 2: may not work for your friend. Yeah, because it's really 190 00:09:10,314 --> 00:09:14,874 Speaker 2: depending on your body and all of these collagen induction treatments. 191 00:09:15,234 --> 00:09:17,874 Speaker 2: Your collagen can be stimulated through different pathways. 192 00:09:18,154 --> 00:09:21,354 Speaker 1: And does it also depend on the treatment how often 193 00:09:21,554 --> 00:09:24,994 Speaker 1: you would need to go in to see results? Like 194 00:09:25,034 --> 00:09:28,114 Speaker 1: are most people seeing you, most of your patients seeing 195 00:09:28,114 --> 00:09:30,954 Speaker 1: you a couple of times a year or once a month. 196 00:09:31,314 --> 00:09:35,274 Speaker 2: So in terms of like treatments, yes, very rarely would 197 00:09:35,274 --> 00:09:38,754 Speaker 2: you just need like a worn off, it's usually at least. 198 00:09:38,634 --> 00:09:41,074 Speaker 1: A course of two to six yes, okay, which is 199 00:09:41,154 --> 00:09:42,594 Speaker 1: then good for people to keep in mind. 200 00:09:42,794 --> 00:09:45,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like depending on the treatment modality that 201 00:09:45,954 --> 00:09:49,034 Speaker 2: you choose, it comes with a cost unfortunately, so you've 202 00:09:49,034 --> 00:09:50,994 Speaker 2: got to make sure that you can kind of follow 203 00:09:51,034 --> 00:09:52,114 Speaker 2: the whole course through. 204 00:09:52,114 --> 00:09:54,754 Speaker 1: And then have a good skincare routine obviously at home. 205 00:09:55,434 --> 00:09:58,274 Speaker 1: On the way through because otherwise eight enough protein. 206 00:09:58,434 --> 00:09:58,994 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. 207 00:10:00,474 --> 00:10:03,874 Speaker 1: Let's be clear, none of these collagen stimulators are going 208 00:10:03,914 --> 00:10:10,314 Speaker 1: to replace a facelift. What realistic limitations or expectations that 209 00:10:10,354 --> 00:10:11,714 Speaker 1: people could have. 210 00:10:12,114 --> 00:10:16,794 Speaker 2: Funnily, people who have had facelifts, my patients, they need 211 00:10:16,834 --> 00:10:17,994 Speaker 2: a lot more of these treatments. 212 00:10:18,634 --> 00:10:18,954 Speaker 1: Really. 213 00:10:19,194 --> 00:10:21,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, look face, Well they've got less skin. 214 00:10:22,154 --> 00:10:23,514 Speaker 1: Well maybe that's why it does. 215 00:10:23,714 --> 00:10:26,514 Speaker 2: It does nothing for your skin. A facelift does nothing 216 00:10:26,514 --> 00:10:28,714 Speaker 2: for you, Like it doesn't it pull it? Okay, let's 217 00:10:28,714 --> 00:10:31,834 Speaker 2: look at Christiana right. She has been you know, in 218 00:10:31,874 --> 00:10:34,114 Speaker 2: the news quite a lot about how amazing she looked 219 00:10:34,234 --> 00:10:37,274 Speaker 2: post her facelift, and then over the last couple of 220 00:10:37,314 --> 00:10:39,154 Speaker 2: weeks and was like, oh my god, I've seen updated 221 00:10:39,194 --> 00:10:39,674 Speaker 2: photos of that. 222 00:10:39,794 --> 00:10:41,074 Speaker 3: She doesn't look as good. 223 00:10:41,434 --> 00:10:44,874 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've missed this update. Yeahs Is it just 224 00:10:44,914 --> 00:10:47,794 Speaker 1: that she stopped? Was it less filtered photos? No? 225 00:10:47,954 --> 00:10:48,874 Speaker 3: I think it's because. 226 00:10:48,634 --> 00:10:50,914 Speaker 2: Obviously, initially when you have a facelift, there's a lot 227 00:10:50,914 --> 00:10:54,034 Speaker 2: of inflammation, so your skin is really tight and it 228 00:10:54,114 --> 00:10:57,994 Speaker 2: just drops yep. So also, the facelift does nothing for 229 00:10:58,034 --> 00:11:00,874 Speaker 2: the actual skin quality. So once that inflammation has dropped, 230 00:11:00,914 --> 00:11:05,474 Speaker 2: that skin creepiness can come back in So Unfortunately, collagen 231 00:11:05,514 --> 00:11:10,874 Speaker 2: induction treatments target the skin specifically, So anyone who has 232 00:11:10,954 --> 00:11:13,714 Speaker 2: had a facelift, they kind of got to continue having 233 00:11:13,714 --> 00:11:16,754 Speaker 2: these treatments. And often I find that because they're desperate 234 00:11:16,794 --> 00:11:19,714 Speaker 2: for the treatment to look quite natural and in keeping 235 00:11:19,754 --> 00:11:22,194 Speaker 2: with the rest of their body as well, then I'm 236 00:11:22,194 --> 00:11:24,714 Speaker 2: doing collision induction treatments on their neck, on their deck. 237 00:11:24,634 --> 00:11:26,594 Speaker 1: Letage, on their hands. 238 00:11:26,274 --> 00:11:28,954 Speaker 2: On their hands, So it's kind of like never ending. 239 00:11:29,274 --> 00:11:33,994 Speaker 1: What's the strangest place someone's asked for collagen? Knees? Knees? Yeah, 240 00:11:34,074 --> 00:11:36,754 Speaker 1: actually that kind of makes sense. Knees can get a 241 00:11:36,794 --> 00:11:38,554 Speaker 1: little bit creepy. 242 00:11:38,314 --> 00:11:41,474 Speaker 2: Yeah, crinkly, Yeah, especially people that play sports and stuff, 243 00:11:41,474 --> 00:11:42,594 Speaker 2: and they're quite conscious of it. 244 00:11:43,954 --> 00:11:47,994 Speaker 1: Knees, Elbows, I wonder I've always had awful elbows. 245 00:11:48,354 --> 00:11:50,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've not done many elbows, but I've done. 246 00:11:50,794 --> 00:11:56,234 Speaker 1: Maybe you'll see me soon some collagen in my elbows place. 247 00:11:56,594 --> 00:12:00,114 Speaker 2: But yeah, Unfortunately, like a facelift and these collagen induction 248 00:12:00,194 --> 00:12:02,674 Speaker 2: treatments are completely different treatment modalities. 249 00:12:02,714 --> 00:12:04,634 Speaker 3: You can't even you kind of no. 250 00:12:04,874 --> 00:12:06,514 Speaker 1: Just because you've had a face lift doesn't mean like 251 00:12:06,594 --> 00:12:07,554 Speaker 1: it's the same skin. 252 00:12:07,674 --> 00:12:08,354 Speaker 3: It's the same skin. 253 00:12:08,634 --> 00:12:11,434 Speaker 2: Sure, some of it's been chopped off and pulled in 254 00:12:11,514 --> 00:12:14,274 Speaker 2: certain places, but it is the same skin, especially like 255 00:12:14,554 --> 00:12:18,354 Speaker 2: under the eyes, your neck, the thinner parts of your 256 00:12:18,514 --> 00:12:19,154 Speaker 2: face and neck. 257 00:12:19,554 --> 00:12:24,994 Speaker 1: How do collagen stimulating treatments differ from traditional volumizers? And 258 00:12:25,034 --> 00:12:30,314 Speaker 1: when I say volumizers, I mean the things that people 259 00:12:30,354 --> 00:12:32,914 Speaker 1: were getting that made them look like ducks back. 260 00:12:32,834 --> 00:12:38,434 Speaker 2: In the day, So completely different treatment modalities. Some and 261 00:12:38,514 --> 00:12:42,514 Speaker 2: I'm saying like I'm thinking one or two options can 262 00:12:42,874 --> 00:12:45,794 Speaker 2: add a little volume in terms of the collagen induction treatments, 263 00:12:46,154 --> 00:12:49,314 Speaker 2: but most of them don't add volume, and they cannot 264 00:12:49,354 --> 00:12:53,194 Speaker 2: augment your face. So if you're after you know, a 265 00:12:53,234 --> 00:12:57,794 Speaker 2: better side profile for example, these treatments can help a 266 00:12:57,834 --> 00:12:59,554 Speaker 2: little bit because it will tighten your skin a bit 267 00:12:59,554 --> 00:13:02,194 Speaker 2: by having a bit more collagen and elastin, but they 268 00:13:02,274 --> 00:13:04,234 Speaker 2: don't do what volumizers do. 269 00:13:04,514 --> 00:13:08,834 Speaker 1: How long until people start seeing results from these sorts 270 00:13:08,834 --> 00:13:10,554 Speaker 1: of collagen stimulation treatments. 271 00:13:10,874 --> 00:13:13,594 Speaker 2: So the less downtime you get with a treatment, so 272 00:13:13,714 --> 00:13:17,314 Speaker 2: the more like natural, low key treatment, the longer it's 273 00:13:17,354 --> 00:13:20,394 Speaker 2: going to take for you to see results. Usually you 274 00:13:20,434 --> 00:13:23,114 Speaker 2: will see the best results of it. For example, six 275 00:13:23,154 --> 00:13:26,154 Speaker 2: to nine months after treatment, I'd got it done for 276 00:13:26,234 --> 00:13:30,154 Speaker 2: my wedding, So if you are essentially prepping for a 277 00:13:30,314 --> 00:13:33,154 Speaker 2: big event as well, don't expect these treatments just to 278 00:13:33,154 --> 00:13:35,994 Speaker 2: do magic overnights. You really really need to plan ahead 279 00:13:36,634 --> 00:13:39,234 Speaker 2: for these treatments. But going back on too, like when 280 00:13:39,274 --> 00:13:42,394 Speaker 2: people can see the results. If you are having collagen 281 00:13:42,474 --> 00:13:45,914 Speaker 2: induction treatments, the older that you are as well, the 282 00:13:45,954 --> 00:13:47,674 Speaker 2: harder it's going to be for your body to make 283 00:13:47,674 --> 00:13:51,234 Speaker 2: that collagen. So just really manage your expectations. Don't compare 284 00:13:51,274 --> 00:13:55,154 Speaker 2: yourself to your friends. Different treatments, different practitioners, different bodies, 285 00:13:55,514 --> 00:13:58,194 Speaker 2: but you just do have to give it months after 286 00:13:58,234 --> 00:14:00,954 Speaker 2: the treatment to see results, and sometimes you actually forget 287 00:14:00,994 --> 00:14:01,874 Speaker 2: what you used to look like. 288 00:14:02,154 --> 00:14:03,274 Speaker 3: So I have patients who. 289 00:14:03,074 --> 00:14:05,114 Speaker 2: Come in and like, oh, I don't think I've seen anything. 290 00:14:05,514 --> 00:14:07,074 Speaker 2: But then the good news is we take clinical fun 291 00:14:07,114 --> 00:14:09,713 Speaker 2: whidos and you can kind of show them look you 292 00:14:09,914 --> 00:14:12,234 Speaker 2: turn because you don't see these tiny changes every day 293 00:14:12,234 --> 00:14:13,354 Speaker 2: in yourself exactly. 294 00:14:13,354 --> 00:14:15,314 Speaker 1: Well, if you're looking yourself every single day when you're 295 00:14:15,314 --> 00:14:17,634 Speaker 1: doing your skincare and makeup, and the feel. 296 00:14:17,394 --> 00:14:19,394 Speaker 2: Of your skin is really important as well, because remember, 297 00:14:19,434 --> 00:14:23,074 Speaker 2: collagen makes skin feel more elastic and plump. Yeah, it's 298 00:14:23,114 --> 00:14:24,634 Speaker 2: not just the look of it is the feel as well. 299 00:14:24,914 --> 00:14:28,594 Speaker 1: We've all seen social media horror stories. What red flags 300 00:14:28,594 --> 00:14:31,394 Speaker 1: should people watch out for when choosing a practitioner. 301 00:14:31,754 --> 00:14:36,274 Speaker 2: I think Australia is a little bit better than other countries. 302 00:14:36,434 --> 00:14:40,514 Speaker 2: Like in the UK, you can have a beautian with 303 00:14:40,794 --> 00:14:44,914 Speaker 2: very minimal experience performing quite high risk treatments for example, 304 00:14:45,194 --> 00:14:49,714 Speaker 2: and Australia it's doctors and nurses only. However, there are 305 00:14:49,754 --> 00:14:52,514 Speaker 2: some beauticians that can perform some of these energy based 306 00:14:52,554 --> 00:14:55,034 Speaker 2: devices and needling treatments as well. 307 00:14:54,914 --> 00:14:58,874 Speaker 1: But they're not allowed to go to depths that absolutely yeah, 308 00:14:58,914 --> 00:14:59,554 Speaker 1: So they. 309 00:14:59,434 --> 00:15:04,234 Speaker 2: Do have their limitations, and with limitations comes like results variations. 310 00:15:04,714 --> 00:15:07,274 Speaker 2: The one thing I would say is that you you 311 00:15:07,314 --> 00:15:10,594 Speaker 2: have to be able to manage complications. That's the most 312 00:15:10,594 --> 00:15:13,834 Speaker 2: important part. So if you are going to someone doesn't 313 00:15:13,834 --> 00:15:17,594 Speaker 2: matter how many years they've been doing this for, do 314 00:15:17,634 --> 00:15:21,114 Speaker 2: they manage their own complications or do they have to 315 00:15:21,114 --> 00:15:23,754 Speaker 2: give you to a doctor to manage your complications? 316 00:15:23,914 --> 00:15:26,194 Speaker 1: Right? So how would you figure that out? Though? 317 00:15:26,674 --> 00:15:30,274 Speaker 2: So most nurses would have to have a prescribing doctor 318 00:15:30,634 --> 00:15:33,834 Speaker 2: to prescribe medication to manage complications. So if you did 319 00:15:33,874 --> 00:15:35,794 Speaker 2: go to, for example, a nurse and I've got lots 320 00:15:35,834 --> 00:15:38,714 Speaker 2: of great nursing colleagues who are very good at doing this, 321 00:15:39,554 --> 00:15:43,154 Speaker 2: but there will need a doctor to manage any complications 322 00:15:43,154 --> 00:15:44,114 Speaker 2: that comes. 323 00:15:44,434 --> 00:15:45,554 Speaker 1: Yes, okay in terms. 324 00:15:45,394 --> 00:15:48,834 Speaker 2: Of prescription, unless there are a prescribing nurse, which there's 325 00:15:48,874 --> 00:15:51,914 Speaker 2: not many of them in Australia based on training. So 326 00:15:52,034 --> 00:15:55,954 Speaker 2: it's really important to be really confident in your practitioner. 327 00:15:57,274 --> 00:16:00,194 Speaker 2: You know, complications do happen. These treatments have got risks, 328 00:16:00,394 --> 00:16:03,594 Speaker 2: everyone does, so you just go to go to someone 329 00:16:03,634 --> 00:16:05,994 Speaker 2: that can manage you in terms of your treatments. You 330 00:16:06,154 --> 00:16:06,714 Speaker 2: have to care. 331 00:16:07,154 --> 00:16:09,314 Speaker 1: Word of mouth is always really good, absolutely, Like I 332 00:16:09,354 --> 00:16:11,834 Speaker 1: don't ask people that you trust or whose face you like, 333 00:16:12,194 --> 00:16:14,954 Speaker 1: and I always say, look at the practitioner's face because 334 00:16:14,994 --> 00:16:18,674 Speaker 1: it's subjective of course of what you think is beautiful, and. 335 00:16:19,514 --> 00:16:22,154 Speaker 2: Beauty is objective and subjective exactly definitely. 336 00:16:22,434 --> 00:16:25,034 Speaker 1: But so if your practitioner has got way too much 337 00:16:25,194 --> 00:16:28,194 Speaker 1: or like you like, I think just it's a good 338 00:16:28,314 --> 00:16:30,114 Speaker 1: sort of guide of if you've both got the sort 339 00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:30,914 Speaker 1: of same. Yeah. 340 00:16:30,914 --> 00:16:33,114 Speaker 3: A lot of patients say that. 341 00:16:37,314 --> 00:16:41,274 Speaker 1: Who is the ideal candidate for collagen stimulation? 342 00:16:41,794 --> 00:16:44,594 Speaker 2: So the ideal candidate, I would say, is probably someone 343 00:16:44,634 --> 00:16:47,154 Speaker 2: in their thirties, Am I a N because you're on 344 00:16:47,354 --> 00:16:50,914 Speaker 2: the you know, you're still getting your menstruation cycle, You've 345 00:16:50,954 --> 00:16:54,954 Speaker 2: still got your estrogen. Esigen is directly linked to making 346 00:16:55,034 --> 00:16:57,234 Speaker 2: more collagen. So the younger that you are, the more 347 00:16:57,314 --> 00:17:00,554 Speaker 2: likely you are to make collagen because you've got the 348 00:17:00,594 --> 00:17:04,074 Speaker 2: issues on your side. So in your thirties, I would 349 00:17:04,074 --> 00:17:06,394 Speaker 2: say is a really good age because you're starting to 350 00:17:06,394 --> 00:17:09,394 Speaker 2: see the science aaging a little bit, and your body 351 00:17:09,474 --> 00:17:12,994 Speaker 2: is still capable of making the collagen. Whereas if you 352 00:17:13,034 --> 00:17:19,274 Speaker 2: are you know, postmenopause or paramenopause, your body will need 353 00:17:19,314 --> 00:17:21,794 Speaker 2: a lot more treatments to make the same amount of collagen. 354 00:17:22,114 --> 00:17:24,794 Speaker 1: If you could ban one beauty trend or treatment myth 355 00:17:24,834 --> 00:17:26,234 Speaker 1: from TikTok, what would it be? 356 00:17:26,674 --> 00:17:27,194 Speaker 3: Can I have two? 357 00:17:27,474 --> 00:17:27,793 Speaker 1: Yes? 358 00:17:28,114 --> 00:17:31,794 Speaker 2: Absolutely, beef tallow Oh my god, please get rid. It's 359 00:17:31,874 --> 00:17:37,634 Speaker 2: essentially a natural animal fat, cow fat, cow fat. 360 00:17:37,674 --> 00:17:40,834 Speaker 1: The people are smearing, yeah, all of that face, Yes, 361 00:17:41,234 --> 00:17:44,394 Speaker 1: and look at also putting it on them as like 362 00:17:44,434 --> 00:17:49,274 Speaker 1: a sunscreen protecting me from the sun. No, No, it's. 363 00:17:49,154 --> 00:17:49,994 Speaker 2: Not burning you. 364 00:17:50,074 --> 00:17:53,593 Speaker 1: Yeah, sizzling, sizzling you like bacon or whatever. 365 00:17:53,914 --> 00:17:57,594 Speaker 2: It is, beef like a burger. Yeah, I don't know. 366 00:17:57,634 --> 00:17:59,154 Speaker 2: I don't know where that's come from, but I think 367 00:17:59,154 --> 00:18:00,274 Speaker 2: it needs to stop. 368 00:18:00,354 --> 00:18:04,874 Speaker 4: Musting as a vegetarian yuck extra Like I'm just like, yeah, 369 00:18:04,874 --> 00:18:07,674 Speaker 4: there's so many better evidence based products on the market, 370 00:18:08,234 --> 00:18:10,314 Speaker 4: and there are like lots of different brands like, oh, 371 00:18:10,354 --> 00:18:12,514 Speaker 4: we're like extra clean and extract. 372 00:18:12,714 --> 00:18:15,194 Speaker 1: You brought it in your kitchen, it's not clean. 373 00:18:15,194 --> 00:18:17,674 Speaker 2: And then evidence it doesn't exist, So let's just go 374 00:18:17,714 --> 00:18:21,794 Speaker 2: towards evidence based products. Number two is this like morning 375 00:18:21,994 --> 00:18:26,514 Speaker 2: shed oh my, where they like kind of like demonmify 376 00:18:26,594 --> 00:18:27,954 Speaker 2: their faces from. 377 00:18:27,434 --> 00:18:31,514 Speaker 1: Their whole body. Sometimes they don't have kids. They must 378 00:18:31,594 --> 00:18:33,394 Speaker 1: not have kids. 379 00:18:33,434 --> 00:18:35,074 Speaker 2: I can't even it. 380 00:18:35,154 --> 00:18:38,754 Speaker 1: Must be the world's greatest sleeper, Like I can't sleep 381 00:18:38,794 --> 00:18:42,474 Speaker 1: in a comfortable bed with nothing. Yeah, so let alone. 382 00:18:44,314 --> 00:18:46,314 Speaker 2: Can you imagine how much time you can, say, read 383 00:18:46,354 --> 00:18:47,114 Speaker 2: a book or something. 384 00:18:47,274 --> 00:18:49,954 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could solve world hunger. You could not. You 385 00:18:49,954 --> 00:18:52,234 Speaker 1: shouldn't put that sort of pressure on people. But it's 386 00:18:52,274 --> 00:18:53,033 Speaker 1: not doing anything. 387 00:18:53,074 --> 00:18:53,754 Speaker 3: And for people that. 388 00:18:53,754 --> 00:18:56,593 Speaker 2: Don't know, it's when people go to bed with like 389 00:18:56,834 --> 00:19:02,634 Speaker 2: a seventeen chin strap, a mouth tape, like forehead wrinkle 390 00:19:03,394 --> 00:19:04,834 Speaker 2: like patches. 391 00:19:04,434 --> 00:19:08,834 Speaker 1: With like their hair in a bond it and heatless curls, 392 00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:09,994 Speaker 1: which if you can't say. 393 00:19:09,994 --> 00:19:11,114 Speaker 2: You're fine, let's keep going. 394 00:19:11,114 --> 00:19:14,033 Speaker 1: But like this is the adding of all and then 395 00:19:14,034 --> 00:19:16,513 Speaker 1: they'll sleep with like a girdle around their middle and 396 00:19:16,554 --> 00:19:20,273 Speaker 1: like every everything is just taped and locked into place. 397 00:19:20,394 --> 00:19:23,793 Speaker 1: Like what happens if someone breaks into your house, Well 398 00:19:23,834 --> 00:19:25,594 Speaker 1: they'd actually run. Actually, it could be really good for 399 00:19:25,634 --> 00:19:27,154 Speaker 1: that because it just runs straight out there. 400 00:19:27,114 --> 00:19:29,394 Speaker 3: Zero evidence, zerovidence, waste of time. 401 00:19:29,754 --> 00:19:32,394 Speaker 1: Everyone's like I looked better. Well, I think that just 402 00:19:32,434 --> 00:19:34,234 Speaker 1: putting on your morning skin you're having a cold show, 403 00:19:34,274 --> 00:19:35,354 Speaker 1: you'd get the same results. 404 00:19:35,474 --> 00:19:38,994 Speaker 2: Honestly, decent retinol in the evening. Yeah, it's gonna sunscreen, 405 00:19:39,074 --> 00:19:41,314 Speaker 2: increase your cell turnover sunscreen in the morning. 406 00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:42,434 Speaker 3: Maybe out of visive and see if you. 407 00:19:42,434 --> 00:19:45,834 Speaker 1: Want, what trends do you see for twenty twenty six. 408 00:19:46,394 --> 00:19:48,354 Speaker 2: I think because of and this is not a negative 409 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:51,834 Speaker 2: thing at all, because of you know, the treatment options 410 00:19:51,954 --> 00:19:52,234 Speaker 2: in the. 411 00:19:52,194 --> 00:19:53,354 Speaker 3: Weight loss category. 412 00:19:53,634 --> 00:19:56,674 Speaker 2: There are a lot of patients who are losing significant 413 00:19:56,674 --> 00:19:59,314 Speaker 2: amounts of weight, which impacts their face as well and 414 00:19:59,634 --> 00:20:02,474 Speaker 2: the aging process. And look, the fat pads in our 415 00:20:02,514 --> 00:20:04,994 Speaker 2: face is what keeps us looking you for, you know, 416 00:20:05,074 --> 00:20:08,234 Speaker 2: like your rosy cheeks and your apples stuff, which is so. 417 00:20:08,514 --> 00:20:11,314 Speaker 1: Like I can't deal with the buckle fat removal. The 418 00:20:11,434 --> 00:20:13,194 Speaker 1: buckle yeah, the buckle FA and like, do I get 419 00:20:13,194 --> 00:20:16,514 Speaker 1: it removed? It will disappear as you get older. Keep 420 00:20:16,554 --> 00:20:17,273 Speaker 1: it for youth. 421 00:20:17,594 --> 00:20:20,954 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the buckle fat removal look, I look 422 00:20:21,034 --> 00:20:23,314 Speaker 2: good in people who are like say, in their forties 423 00:20:23,354 --> 00:20:26,114 Speaker 2: fifties and they're getting the jowls because the buckle fat's 424 00:20:26,154 --> 00:20:29,593 Speaker 2: kind of moved down, But in the younger patients they 425 00:20:29,594 --> 00:20:32,834 Speaker 2: can look quite gaunt yeah afterwards. So I think volumeization 426 00:20:32,914 --> 00:20:34,954 Speaker 2: might make her come back because I can already see 427 00:20:34,954 --> 00:20:37,074 Speaker 2: a little bit of a trend in clinic. I think 428 00:20:37,234 --> 00:20:42,554 Speaker 2: the skincare is getting more and more innovative with what 429 00:20:42,594 --> 00:20:45,194 Speaker 2: we can do at home as well. So I think 430 00:20:45,634 --> 00:20:49,794 Speaker 2: better skincare in terms of pigmentation, in terms of collagen 431 00:20:49,834 --> 00:20:54,874 Speaker 2: stimulation very likely. I think exosomes as well. If anyone 432 00:20:54,874 --> 00:20:57,954 Speaker 2: that doesn't know, exosomes can be topical in your skin care, 433 00:20:58,074 --> 00:21:01,234 Speaker 2: or it could be topical in inclinic treatments, which kind 434 00:21:01,274 --> 00:21:03,754 Speaker 2: of think about them like little messengers that send signals 435 00:21:03,754 --> 00:21:06,274 Speaker 2: to the cells in your body to repair and regenerate. 436 00:21:06,634 --> 00:21:09,034 Speaker 2: They can be found in both skincom and in clinic treatments. 437 00:21:09,154 --> 00:21:11,634 Speaker 2: They've already been a big hype about them, but I 438 00:21:11,674 --> 00:21:14,874 Speaker 2: think there'll be probably more companies coming out with different brands. 439 00:21:15,114 --> 00:21:19,354 Speaker 2: Hopefully some really good data as well will come come 440 00:21:19,394 --> 00:21:21,914 Speaker 2: about from them as well, because they're fairly new treatments, 441 00:21:22,234 --> 00:21:25,554 Speaker 2: so we are still pending really good research behind them 442 00:21:25,634 --> 00:21:27,793 Speaker 2: as well, as I'm hoping that will make her a 443 00:21:27,874 --> 00:21:31,994 Speaker 2: better come through for more informed decision making for patients. 444 00:21:32,274 --> 00:21:34,234 Speaker 1: Well, we'll have to get you back next year then 445 00:21:34,274 --> 00:21:36,594 Speaker 1: so we can talk more about that. See what we've got, 446 00:21:37,114 --> 00:21:40,354 Speaker 1: will you, Bierz. I learned so much from that conversation 447 00:21:40,474 --> 00:21:43,874 Speaker 1: with doctor Elder. Firstly, I am too poor to have 448 00:21:44,074 --> 00:21:47,114 Speaker 1: some of these treatments. Secondly, well I need to be 449 00:21:47,194 --> 00:21:49,754 Speaker 1: consuming a lot more protein and then maybe I won't 450 00:21:49,754 --> 00:21:52,114 Speaker 1: even need them. So I hope you did too. It's 451 00:21:52,154 --> 00:21:56,194 Speaker 1: really refreshing to hear some science behind these treatments and 452 00:21:57,074 --> 00:21:58,994 Speaker 1: someone that isn't like she wasn't trying to sell us 453 00:21:58,994 --> 00:22:01,674 Speaker 1: anything because she literally can't. Like she was just giving 454 00:22:01,714 --> 00:22:04,194 Speaker 1: us the facts. 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