1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,954 Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm mom Ama podcast. Makeup is My Therapy. 2 00:00:17,154 --> 00:00:21,073 Speaker 1: I'm obsess and I don't even feel guilty about it. 3 00:00:24,314 --> 00:00:27,554 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for Your Face. 4 00:00:27,914 --> 00:00:30,594 Speaker 2: My name's Amy Clark and no I'm not Kelly mccaren. 5 00:00:30,674 --> 00:00:33,394 Speaker 2: Usually she's here with you on a Tuesday, but I 6 00:00:33,473 --> 00:00:36,913 Speaker 2: have stepped in. I've taken over the studio because I 7 00:00:36,954 --> 00:00:39,953 Speaker 2: wanted to bring you an interview with one of the 8 00:00:39,994 --> 00:00:44,394 Speaker 2: most amazing skin gurus that I know. My guest today 9 00:00:44,553 --> 00:00:49,354 Speaker 2: is Karina Gross from Bellameres og Ubi's might have heard 10 00:00:49,354 --> 00:00:53,393 Speaker 2: of Bellameres or Karina. She is my longtime facialist. Lee 11 00:00:53,513 --> 00:00:57,234 Speaker 2: Campbell has also spoken about her before. She is known 12 00:00:57,394 --> 00:01:00,594 Speaker 2: for her fairy dust treatment, but she's also been working 13 00:01:00,634 --> 00:01:03,353 Speaker 2: with skin for thirty years. I could have spoken to 14 00:01:03,394 --> 00:01:05,994 Speaker 2: her all day, but we had to keep it tight 15 00:01:06,034 --> 00:01:09,833 Speaker 2: because we're all busy. So in this episode we discussed 16 00:01:10,194 --> 00:01:13,474 Speaker 2: what are the products that she's actually using, What steps 17 00:01:13,514 --> 00:01:16,434 Speaker 2: does a skin expert have in their routine. She also 18 00:01:16,514 --> 00:01:20,274 Speaker 2: told us about the technologies and the treatments that no 19 00:01:20,314 --> 00:01:22,673 Speaker 2: one else is talking about that you need to know about, 20 00:01:22,954 --> 00:01:26,194 Speaker 2: as well as what are the actual things that you 21 00:01:26,234 --> 00:01:28,194 Speaker 2: can do to make a difference in your skin that 22 00:01:28,314 --> 00:01:30,874 Speaker 2: don't cost a lot of money. We covered so much, 23 00:01:31,114 --> 00:01:32,954 Speaker 2: so I hope you enjoyed this chat with Karna. 24 00:01:33,434 --> 00:01:35,674 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skill But. 25 00:01:35,954 --> 00:01:42,634 Speaker 1: How Karina, Welcome to you beauty. I'm so excited to 26 00:01:42,674 --> 00:01:45,954 Speaker 1: have you here. How are you feeling very nervous? 27 00:01:46,554 --> 00:01:48,634 Speaker 3: But I'm also very excited to be here. 28 00:01:48,954 --> 00:01:51,754 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy to have you and die Hard 29 00:01:51,874 --> 00:01:54,434 Speaker 2: ubis So people that have been around the you beauty 30 00:01:54,954 --> 00:01:58,794 Speaker 2: world may already know who you are because you are 31 00:01:58,874 --> 00:02:02,234 Speaker 2: kind of my long time I think nobody probably knows 32 00:02:02,234 --> 00:02:05,194 Speaker 2: my skin better than you do. Sure, and also you know, 33 00:02:05,434 --> 00:02:07,754 Speaker 2: Lee of course talked a lot about a lot of 34 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:09,474 Speaker 2: products that both of her. 35 00:02:09,353 --> 00:02:10,794 Speaker 1: And I picked up products from you. 36 00:02:11,073 --> 00:02:13,114 Speaker 2: So I'm just so happy to have you talking all 37 00:02:13,194 --> 00:02:16,674 Speaker 2: things skin in the studio. But for anyone who doesn't 38 00:02:16,754 --> 00:02:19,754 Speaker 2: know you, can you tell me a little bit about 39 00:02:19,954 --> 00:02:22,714 Speaker 2: what you do, like what's your approach to skin, because 40 00:02:22,714 --> 00:02:24,794 Speaker 2: you're kind of like I like to think your Sydney 41 00:02:24,874 --> 00:02:26,754 Speaker 2: is best kept skin secret. 42 00:02:27,034 --> 00:02:30,874 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Amy, pretty much. I've been in 43 00:02:30,914 --> 00:02:33,794 Speaker 3: the skin industry for almost thirty years now. I was 44 00:02:33,834 --> 00:02:36,514 Speaker 3: trained in Germany and I've been in Sydney for the 45 00:02:36,594 --> 00:02:40,954 Speaker 3: last fifteen years, and my approach has always been I'm 46 00:02:40,994 --> 00:02:42,594 Speaker 3: not sure if I can say this. I have the 47 00:02:42,594 --> 00:02:43,674 Speaker 3: noblechery philosophy. 48 00:02:43,714 --> 00:02:45,834 Speaker 1: Oh we are so nobullshit here. 49 00:02:45,834 --> 00:02:50,514 Speaker 3: Fantastic, So tell us like it is. I will, I promise. So. Literally, 50 00:02:50,554 --> 00:02:53,474 Speaker 3: having the noblechery philosophy means we work with a medical 51 00:02:53,514 --> 00:02:56,674 Speaker 3: grade ultrasound scan, so that means we don't guess, we 52 00:02:56,834 --> 00:03:00,594 Speaker 3: measure and our skin is very unique compared to lots 53 00:03:00,594 --> 00:03:02,954 Speaker 3: of other scans that are out there and use another 54 00:03:02,994 --> 00:03:07,714 Speaker 3: skin clinics, because we can literally see the whole condition 55 00:03:07,754 --> 00:03:10,754 Speaker 3: of your skin. We can see the condition of your barrier, 56 00:03:11,354 --> 00:03:14,913 Speaker 3: collagon density, some damage, but most importantly, we are able 57 00:03:14,994 --> 00:03:17,234 Speaker 3: to see if the skincare that you've been using for 58 00:03:17,274 --> 00:03:19,594 Speaker 3: the last ninety days is actually working or not. 59 00:03:20,034 --> 00:03:24,154 Speaker 2: For Ubiz, I actually had a treatment with Karna her hands. 60 00:03:24,194 --> 00:03:27,114 Speaker 2: She brought those hands out. Doesn't happen very often, so 61 00:03:27,154 --> 00:03:30,633 Speaker 2: I felt very honored. But yeah, it's amazing the stuff 62 00:03:30,674 --> 00:03:33,874 Speaker 2: that you can see with those scanners, the detail, and 63 00:03:33,914 --> 00:03:36,194 Speaker 2: as you say, it's like, well we can tell it 64 00:03:36,274 --> 00:03:37,194 Speaker 2: for products. 65 00:03:36,834 --> 00:03:39,754 Speaker 3: Working or it absolutely And I think that's what most 66 00:03:39,794 --> 00:03:42,714 Speaker 3: people want to see. If you spend money on a 67 00:03:42,754 --> 00:03:45,394 Speaker 3: product you want to see, does it actually do what 68 00:03:45,434 --> 00:03:48,594 Speaker 3: it promises? Does it actually produce the collision, does it 69 00:03:48,634 --> 00:03:52,274 Speaker 3: actually improve the hydration in the deeper layers of the skin. 70 00:03:52,834 --> 00:03:54,834 Speaker 3: And so that's why I love working with the scan 71 00:03:54,954 --> 00:03:56,914 Speaker 3: because it allows us to cut the bullshit. 72 00:03:57,114 --> 00:03:59,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you kind of first, I think, started to 73 00:03:59,994 --> 00:04:04,274 Speaker 2: really gain notoriety, especially with beauty editors and you know 74 00:04:04,354 --> 00:04:06,914 Speaker 2: people in the industry, you're kind of like known for 75 00:04:06,954 --> 00:04:10,234 Speaker 2: the fairy dust treatment. Yes, like what is the fairy dust? 76 00:04:10,474 --> 00:04:12,114 Speaker 2: I mean it's you, Is it your hands? Is it 77 00:04:12,114 --> 00:04:13,674 Speaker 2: just your magic little sprinkle? 78 00:04:14,194 --> 00:04:17,274 Speaker 3: No, it's actually not. The reason why I call it 79 00:04:17,354 --> 00:04:21,354 Speaker 3: the ferry dust is I consider holonic acid that everyone knows, 80 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:24,794 Speaker 3: I consider holonic acid to be the ferry dust for 81 00:04:24,953 --> 00:04:28,474 Speaker 3: our skin. So imagine I always like to use very 82 00:04:28,474 --> 00:04:31,633 Speaker 3: simple analogy if I explain it. So imagine that ocean 83 00:04:31,674 --> 00:04:33,674 Speaker 3: of water in our skin that we all have when 84 00:04:33,674 --> 00:04:35,433 Speaker 3: we grow up, and you can see the babies with 85 00:04:35,474 --> 00:04:38,753 Speaker 3: that plum dewy skin already in our mid twenties, that 86 00:04:38,794 --> 00:04:41,834 Speaker 3: the ocean of water starts shrinking and at the age 87 00:04:41,873 --> 00:04:45,393 Speaker 3: of forty, we only have fifty percent left. So that's 88 00:04:45,393 --> 00:04:51,873 Speaker 3: why I always say after forty everything sucks and goes Yes, yes, 89 00:04:52,193 --> 00:04:55,513 Speaker 3: exactly literally, and so that means we all know we 90 00:04:55,594 --> 00:04:58,274 Speaker 3: lose collision. But I think one of the most underrated 91 00:04:58,274 --> 00:05:00,874 Speaker 3: things is halonic acid, and that once we lose the 92 00:05:00,953 --> 00:05:03,074 Speaker 3: hydration in the skin, there is not much we can 93 00:05:03,113 --> 00:05:06,393 Speaker 3: actually do to increase that hydration. But the ferry dust 94 00:05:06,474 --> 00:05:11,033 Speaker 3: treatment that uses light therapy, so it's not a hot laser, 95 00:05:11,073 --> 00:05:13,953 Speaker 3: it's a low level laser kind of activates the skin 96 00:05:13,993 --> 00:05:17,593 Speaker 3: to absorb a very specific form of halonic acid, and 97 00:05:17,633 --> 00:05:21,274 Speaker 3: that halonic acid is small enough to penetrate deep into 98 00:05:21,274 --> 00:05:24,193 Speaker 3: the skin with the help of the laser and links 99 00:05:24,674 --> 00:05:29,193 Speaker 3: with that ocean of water proper term of course intercellular substance. 100 00:05:29,234 --> 00:05:30,873 Speaker 3: Don't want to go to technically. 101 00:05:30,993 --> 00:05:32,674 Speaker 2: I'm loving this ocean analogy. 102 00:05:32,834 --> 00:05:34,354 Speaker 1: It's really clear. I can picture. 103 00:05:34,433 --> 00:05:37,633 Speaker 2: And when I came in to see you yesterday, it 104 00:05:37,674 --> 00:05:38,753 Speaker 2: was like a little dribble. 105 00:05:38,753 --> 00:05:39,953 Speaker 1: It's like the tide's gone out. 106 00:05:40,193 --> 00:05:41,794 Speaker 3: That's pretty much it. 107 00:05:42,073 --> 00:05:44,593 Speaker 2: And today the tides it's on its way back in 108 00:05:44,834 --> 00:05:45,914 Speaker 2: exactly exactly. 109 00:05:45,953 --> 00:05:47,993 Speaker 3: And that's how you get that urine is actually back. 110 00:05:48,034 --> 00:05:50,714 Speaker 3: Because a lot of clients don't understand when the skin 111 00:05:50,753 --> 00:05:53,113 Speaker 3: looks dull and they look tired. They don't actually know 112 00:05:53,193 --> 00:05:56,393 Speaker 3: it's linked to dehydration. And what we do with the treatment, 113 00:05:56,433 --> 00:05:59,033 Speaker 3: and that's the reason why it's my signature treatment is 114 00:05:59,633 --> 00:06:03,473 Speaker 3: we use a specific form of halonic acid to penetrate 115 00:06:03,513 --> 00:06:06,474 Speaker 3: it deep into the skin that links to our ocean 116 00:06:06,513 --> 00:06:09,674 Speaker 3: of water and plumps back that ocean of order to 117 00:06:09,714 --> 00:06:13,594 Speaker 3: its original state. And think about, there's no product in 118 00:06:13,633 --> 00:06:17,154 Speaker 3: the world that can do what the treatment does. And 119 00:06:17,193 --> 00:06:22,194 Speaker 3: this is why I always say good products are like sheets. Yeah, 120 00:06:22,113 --> 00:06:24,834 Speaker 3: when you see the bad analogy, right, are like sheets. 121 00:06:25,034 --> 00:06:26,914 Speaker 3: You love lying in good sheets and you love it, 122 00:06:26,953 --> 00:06:29,433 Speaker 3: and you can definitely change a lot of feel. You 123 00:06:29,474 --> 00:06:33,873 Speaker 3: can feel the difference exactly. But if you want real change, 124 00:06:33,993 --> 00:06:37,633 Speaker 3: deep change, structural change, it's the matress. And the matress 125 00:06:37,714 --> 00:06:41,314 Speaker 3: are professional treatments. So there is something that professional treatments 126 00:06:41,354 --> 00:06:43,833 Speaker 3: do that no product in the world can do. And 127 00:06:43,873 --> 00:06:46,674 Speaker 3: so it's very important to understand the difference. You know, 128 00:06:46,753 --> 00:06:49,153 Speaker 3: what's the purpose of great skincare and what's the purpose 129 00:06:49,234 --> 00:06:50,034 Speaker 3: of treatments. 130 00:06:50,154 --> 00:06:52,993 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a dodgy mattress, but great sheds, yes, 131 00:06:53,034 --> 00:06:55,593 Speaker 2: and then vice versa, you've got an amazing mattress, yes, 132 00:06:55,594 --> 00:06:59,474 Speaker 2: And scratchy sheds. Absolutely, yes, absolutely, it's such. You've got 133 00:06:59,474 --> 00:07:00,553 Speaker 2: the best analogies. 134 00:07:00,714 --> 00:07:03,234 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I always try to explain it 135 00:07:03,234 --> 00:07:06,113 Speaker 3: as simple as possible, because when when clients say, what's 136 00:07:06,154 --> 00:07:08,914 Speaker 3: more important do I need to get on a good routine? 137 00:07:08,953 --> 00:07:11,393 Speaker 3: Do I need treatments? You actually need both if you 138 00:07:11,434 --> 00:07:12,594 Speaker 3: want to have deep change. 139 00:07:12,953 --> 00:07:15,273 Speaker 2: What's that the most common thing that you say with 140 00:07:15,354 --> 00:07:17,754 Speaker 2: people coming in, and actually has that changed much? 141 00:07:17,794 --> 00:07:18,754 Speaker 1: You know, the people that were. 142 00:07:18,594 --> 00:07:22,713 Speaker 2: Coming in ten years ago, not them specifically, but is 143 00:07:22,754 --> 00:07:25,914 Speaker 2: there like a different condition that you're seeing more frequently now. 144 00:07:25,794 --> 00:07:26,554 Speaker 1: Or is it the same? 145 00:07:27,434 --> 00:07:31,314 Speaker 3: Very good question, so I would say the concerns have 146 00:07:31,514 --> 00:07:36,953 Speaker 3: not changed. It's still number one dehydration, Number two definitely 147 00:07:36,994 --> 00:07:40,634 Speaker 3: sensitivity and reactive skin, and number three aging of course, 148 00:07:40,794 --> 00:07:44,074 Speaker 3: you know, lack of elasticity, creepy skin, et cetera, et 149 00:07:44,114 --> 00:07:47,674 Speaker 3: cetera are some damage. But what we've noticed is we 150 00:07:47,794 --> 00:07:52,194 Speaker 3: have seen far more reactive skins and more inflame skins 151 00:07:52,234 --> 00:07:57,394 Speaker 3: as in dermatitis, heat redness and inflammation in skin. These 152 00:07:57,393 --> 00:08:00,194 Speaker 3: are the main things that we've noticed. So it's not 153 00:08:00,234 --> 00:08:03,154 Speaker 3: that the concerns have changed, it's just skins have become 154 00:08:03,274 --> 00:08:06,234 Speaker 3: so much more reactive, and I believe it has something 155 00:08:06,274 --> 00:08:10,834 Speaker 3: to do with too many products, too harsh products. And 156 00:08:11,074 --> 00:08:15,914 Speaker 3: one of the main things constantly changing products, because this 157 00:08:16,034 --> 00:08:17,914 Speaker 3: is one of the things clients are not aware of. 158 00:08:18,154 --> 00:08:20,994 Speaker 3: We have so many clients that say, oh, I change 159 00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:24,074 Speaker 3: products every one or two weeks, Yeah, whenever I feel 160 00:08:24,074 --> 00:08:26,354 Speaker 3: like it. And the thing is like skin and your 161 00:08:26,393 --> 00:08:29,594 Speaker 3: barrier has to adjust every single time to the new product, 162 00:08:29,874 --> 00:08:32,394 Speaker 3: and that stress the skin and makes it very fragile. 163 00:08:32,914 --> 00:08:35,194 Speaker 3: And so one of the things that we always say 164 00:08:35,234 --> 00:08:38,713 Speaker 3: is you don't need more products, you need consistency. 165 00:08:39,034 --> 00:08:41,034 Speaker 2: And one of the things that I'm not sure if 166 00:08:41,074 --> 00:08:43,514 Speaker 2: everyone knows too, is like how long does it actually 167 00:08:43,554 --> 00:08:46,074 Speaker 2: take from your products, because it's definitely not one to 168 00:08:46,114 --> 00:08:47,274 Speaker 2: two weeks. 169 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:50,114 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I'm glad you bring that up because you 170 00:08:50,274 --> 00:08:53,754 Speaker 3: notice within the first one or two weeks skin feels 171 00:08:53,794 --> 00:08:57,394 Speaker 3: more smooth, is more hydrated, looks better, it looks fresher. 172 00:08:57,994 --> 00:09:01,354 Speaker 3: But to really see a change in the depths, and 173 00:09:01,434 --> 00:09:03,714 Speaker 3: again because we can trace it and track it, of 174 00:09:03,754 --> 00:09:07,354 Speaker 3: course with our scin it takes about four to eight weeks. 175 00:09:07,594 --> 00:09:12,354 Speaker 3: So we see improvements in strengthening thicker barrier after about 176 00:09:12,394 --> 00:09:17,754 Speaker 3: four to six weeks and collision starts at about four 177 00:09:17,794 --> 00:09:20,514 Speaker 3: weeks as well, but the biggest change we see after 178 00:09:20,634 --> 00:09:23,114 Speaker 3: ninety days. That's when we can see all the new 179 00:09:23,154 --> 00:09:26,354 Speaker 3: baby collision being formed in the deeper layers that actually 180 00:09:26,394 --> 00:09:29,754 Speaker 3: eventually repairs the existing sun damage. So one of the 181 00:09:29,794 --> 00:09:32,194 Speaker 3: most important things I always say, you have to give 182 00:09:32,194 --> 00:09:35,434 Speaker 3: it at least four weeks to start seeing the deeper 183 00:09:35,514 --> 00:09:36,274 Speaker 3: change in the skin. 184 00:09:36,514 --> 00:09:38,834 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then up to three months, up. 185 00:09:38,714 --> 00:09:42,434 Speaker 3: To three months. Absolutely, So we usually collision we always 186 00:09:42,474 --> 00:09:45,314 Speaker 3: scan after ninety days. So all the treatments we do 187 00:09:45,354 --> 00:09:48,474 Speaker 3: where we stimulate the skin to produce new collision, we 188 00:09:48,594 --> 00:09:50,514 Speaker 3: always scan after ninety days minimum. 189 00:09:50,594 --> 00:09:56,674 Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, I. 190 00:09:56,634 --> 00:10:00,154 Speaker 2: Was really curious to see your approach evolved because you're 191 00:10:00,154 --> 00:10:03,714 Speaker 2: obviously staying really up to date with everything in the industry, 192 00:10:03,954 --> 00:10:06,674 Speaker 2: all of the latest technologies. You were saying that you're 193 00:10:06,714 --> 00:10:09,674 Speaker 2: also moved into an area of this, you know, forty 194 00:10:09,674 --> 00:10:14,154 Speaker 2: plus pairy kind of specializing in that area. Like, how 195 00:10:14,274 --> 00:10:16,914 Speaker 2: is that different to like your fairy dust versus what 196 00:10:16,954 --> 00:10:18,833 Speaker 2: you're doing with women in that category. 197 00:10:19,034 --> 00:10:23,394 Speaker 3: Absolutely so. Most importantly, when we scan clients, we always 198 00:10:23,474 --> 00:10:26,314 Speaker 3: check of course barrier, collagen, hydration, et cetera, et cetera. 199 00:10:26,354 --> 00:10:29,154 Speaker 3: So we always start in a similar way, because even 200 00:10:29,234 --> 00:10:32,834 Speaker 3: women who go through that stage of life, they still 201 00:10:32,914 --> 00:10:38,034 Speaker 3: feel the dullness, the dehydration, the sensitivity. But once hormones 202 00:10:38,274 --> 00:10:39,194 Speaker 3: come into play. 203 00:10:39,114 --> 00:10:41,074 Speaker 1: Those fun things, those fun things. 204 00:10:41,154 --> 00:10:44,194 Speaker 3: Yeah, Remember, as I said, after forty everything sucks, meaning 205 00:10:44,634 --> 00:10:48,394 Speaker 3: once the estrogen declinents, right, And I think a lot 206 00:10:48,474 --> 00:10:51,754 Speaker 3: of clients don't know what that actually means. You know, 207 00:10:51,994 --> 00:10:55,194 Speaker 3: because we start getting old when we lose estrogen, so 208 00:10:55,234 --> 00:10:59,354 Speaker 3: that means our skin becomes thinner, we have less collagen, 209 00:10:59,394 --> 00:11:02,034 Speaker 3: we have less hydration in the skin. We become way 210 00:11:02,194 --> 00:11:05,514 Speaker 3: more sensitive when we lose estrogen. So that means, of 211 00:11:05,554 --> 00:11:08,114 Speaker 3: course the first approach is the same. It's always about 212 00:11:08,154 --> 00:11:11,834 Speaker 3: strengthening the skin first, deeply hydrating and getting it in 213 00:11:11,874 --> 00:11:16,914 Speaker 3: the best possible condition. But then of course understanding skin 214 00:11:17,194 --> 00:11:20,274 Speaker 3: inflammation increases, et cetera, et cetera, So that means the 215 00:11:20,434 --> 00:11:25,914 Speaker 3: treatments we do change, the support changes because someone like you, 216 00:11:25,994 --> 00:11:29,714 Speaker 3: whose early thirties right still looks like an absolute peach, 217 00:11:30,274 --> 00:11:33,634 Speaker 3: doesn't need that structural change. Yet that someone actually notices 218 00:11:33,674 --> 00:11:37,394 Speaker 3: forty plus that means you probably have not noticed any 219 00:11:37,474 --> 00:11:39,474 Speaker 3: kind of sagging in your skin. There's not a single 220 00:11:39,474 --> 00:11:41,634 Speaker 3: line in your face, et cetera, et cetera. But once 221 00:11:41,674 --> 00:11:44,994 Speaker 3: you're forty plus and that estrogen declines and you notice, oh, 222 00:11:45,074 --> 00:11:47,634 Speaker 3: my neck is not as tight anymore, and I start 223 00:11:47,714 --> 00:11:51,554 Speaker 3: seeing the naza lebal fold is becoming more visible, and 224 00:11:51,954 --> 00:11:54,474 Speaker 3: just lots of things that you didn't notice in your 225 00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:57,474 Speaker 3: twenties or in your thirties. And that's when the structural 226 00:11:57,554 --> 00:12:01,914 Speaker 3: change actually comes in. And that's why we introduced recently 227 00:12:01,954 --> 00:12:04,994 Speaker 3: a very very new treatment that I'm very very very 228 00:12:05,034 --> 00:12:10,434 Speaker 3: excited about actually telling you a scoop absolutely, and so 229 00:12:10,834 --> 00:12:14,274 Speaker 3: of course Fairy will always be signature treatment, will always 230 00:12:14,274 --> 00:12:17,554 Speaker 3: be number one. It's most asked, most loved by anyone. 231 00:12:18,114 --> 00:12:21,754 Speaker 3: But once we actually repair the barrier, once we strengthen 232 00:12:21,754 --> 00:12:24,514 Speaker 3: the skin, we deeply hydrate the skin, and we want 233 00:12:24,514 --> 00:12:26,994 Speaker 3: that structure shade, so we want to start working on 234 00:12:27,394 --> 00:12:32,234 Speaker 3: firming the skin. Then indie BA actually comes into play. 235 00:12:32,394 --> 00:12:34,634 Speaker 3: It's a new treatment that we actually got. I call 236 00:12:34,674 --> 00:12:39,274 Speaker 3: it the lifted Fairy, which combines indie bar which is 237 00:12:39,274 --> 00:12:43,714 Speaker 3: a very gentle but powerful radio frequency and imagine in 238 00:12:43,754 --> 00:12:45,794 Speaker 3: a very simple way. Again, I always like to compare 239 00:12:45,834 --> 00:12:50,833 Speaker 3: and make it simple. Everyone still believes that you need 240 00:12:50,914 --> 00:12:54,554 Speaker 3: trauma and injury to change the skin. So people still 241 00:12:54,594 --> 00:12:57,874 Speaker 3: think the more it hurts, the more downtime I have, 242 00:12:58,354 --> 00:13:01,594 Speaker 3: the better the results. And one of the main things 243 00:13:01,594 --> 00:13:05,274 Speaker 3: that I really want to educate women about is that 244 00:13:05,314 --> 00:13:08,274 Speaker 3: you don't need trauma to add actually change the skin. 245 00:13:08,914 --> 00:13:12,234 Speaker 3: And that's where INDIBA comes in because working with the 246 00:13:12,274 --> 00:13:16,474 Speaker 3: right redio frequency and warming up that tissue in giving 247 00:13:16,554 --> 00:13:21,634 Speaker 3: skin energy to actually repair itself is the biggest difference. 248 00:13:21,674 --> 00:13:24,794 Speaker 3: So think about very simply. You can use needles and 249 00:13:24,874 --> 00:13:28,434 Speaker 3: radio frequency, it's probably the most popular one. You cause 250 00:13:28,514 --> 00:13:32,394 Speaker 3: a controlled injury to the skin that activates wound healing response. 251 00:13:32,634 --> 00:13:35,234 Speaker 3: You create new collasion and new cells. Right, very simple. 252 00:13:35,274 --> 00:13:39,474 Speaker 3: Everyone understands this. And the difference to indiba is that 253 00:13:39,794 --> 00:13:44,354 Speaker 3: we slowly repair the skin by itself. So imagine it 254 00:13:44,434 --> 00:13:46,834 Speaker 3: like a battery that is strained when we get older. 255 00:13:47,234 --> 00:13:52,114 Speaker 3: Sun exposure, inflammation, sugar, whatever it is, right, really affects 256 00:13:52,114 --> 00:13:55,154 Speaker 3: how our collasion and luster fibers are. They stiffen and 257 00:13:55,234 --> 00:13:59,674 Speaker 3: eventually they fold instead of staying elastic. And so what 258 00:13:59,754 --> 00:14:02,634 Speaker 3: we do with indie ba is we do the opposite. 259 00:14:02,714 --> 00:14:05,874 Speaker 3: So by changing the environment of the elustin and the 260 00:14:05,874 --> 00:14:09,634 Speaker 3: collasion fibers, they become flexible again. So by working with 261 00:14:09,714 --> 00:14:12,914 Speaker 3: the right heat, with the right radio frequency, we do 262 00:14:12,994 --> 00:14:16,634 Speaker 3: exactly this. We improve the condition so that the elastic 263 00:14:16,674 --> 00:14:21,154 Speaker 3: and collision fibers become flexible again, and therefore lines and 264 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:25,074 Speaker 3: wrinkles become less visible and we start firming the skin. 265 00:14:25,194 --> 00:14:26,994 Speaker 3: But we do it without trauma. 266 00:14:27,314 --> 00:14:31,714 Speaker 2: And it's very individual too, to go somewhere where you 267 00:14:31,794 --> 00:14:34,474 Speaker 2: might actually not know what is exactly going to happen 268 00:14:34,594 --> 00:14:37,994 Speaker 2: with your skin that day, because you're coming in and 269 00:14:38,034 --> 00:14:41,994 Speaker 2: you're actually assessing and tailoring the treatment to what my 270 00:14:42,154 --> 00:14:45,354 Speaker 2: skin looks like on any given day. It's a bit 271 00:14:45,394 --> 00:14:49,194 Speaker 2: more bespoke rather than the Okay, I'm going in for 272 00:14:49,434 --> 00:14:52,074 Speaker 2: needling or I'm going in for laser. 273 00:14:52,354 --> 00:14:55,314 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we see that a lot clients that are 274 00:14:55,314 --> 00:14:57,914 Speaker 3: coming or book themselves in for kneedling, and we always 275 00:14:57,954 --> 00:14:59,594 Speaker 3: tell them before, look, we do a skin we do 276 00:14:59,634 --> 00:15:02,194 Speaker 3: a console, we check the condition of your skin, and 277 00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:04,794 Speaker 3: then we decide what's best And exactly as you say, 278 00:15:04,994 --> 00:15:08,034 Speaker 3: most clients come and I want to do kneeling. And 279 00:15:08,194 --> 00:15:11,354 Speaker 3: nowadays there is actually a new thing called biokneedling, which 280 00:15:11,434 --> 00:15:14,034 Speaker 3: I believe is the future of skin needling. I'll explain 281 00:15:14,194 --> 00:15:16,874 Speaker 3: more in the sec but before we get there, it's 282 00:15:16,914 --> 00:15:20,154 Speaker 3: literally clients want to come and it's again Number one 283 00:15:20,234 --> 00:15:23,154 Speaker 3: treatment is skin kneedling. Everyone talks about everyone knows that, 284 00:15:23,154 --> 00:15:25,834 Speaker 3: everyone knows how it works and their benefits. But what 285 00:15:25,954 --> 00:15:29,514 Speaker 3: most people don't know is when your skin is not 286 00:15:29,594 --> 00:15:32,234 Speaker 3: in a healthy condition, when your skin quality is not 287 00:15:32,314 --> 00:15:34,994 Speaker 3: at its best. That means when the barrier, when the 288 00:15:35,074 --> 00:15:39,394 Speaker 3: hydrations levels are not great, skin is actually not ready 289 00:15:39,434 --> 00:15:42,874 Speaker 3: to go into more trauma, into more stress. But a 290 00:15:42,874 --> 00:15:45,794 Speaker 3: lot of clients don't know that until they actually see 291 00:15:45,834 --> 00:15:48,154 Speaker 3: the results of the scan. And this is why we 292 00:15:48,274 --> 00:15:50,834 Speaker 3: love working with the scan. We do not do any 293 00:15:51,074 --> 00:15:53,994 Speaker 3: kneedling or bio kneeling until we see the condition of 294 00:15:54,034 --> 00:15:57,314 Speaker 3: the skin. I would say, from ten new clients that 295 00:15:57,394 --> 00:16:00,874 Speaker 3: come and ten want to do kneedling, maybe two have 296 00:16:01,154 --> 00:16:04,874 Speaker 3: the right skin condition. Are ready exactly, are ready? Their 297 00:16:04,914 --> 00:16:08,554 Speaker 3: skin is in the best condition, because the results of 298 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:11,754 Speaker 3: kneedling or biokneedling is way better when the skin is 299 00:16:11,794 --> 00:16:14,034 Speaker 3: in a healthy condition, when you're hydrated, when the barrier 300 00:16:14,114 --> 00:16:18,274 Speaker 3: is good. Because one of the most common things that 301 00:16:18,594 --> 00:16:21,274 Speaker 3: people are not aware of, there is a difference in 302 00:16:21,434 --> 00:16:25,354 Speaker 3: quality of collision that you actually achieve, so that means 303 00:16:25,474 --> 00:16:28,554 Speaker 3: if you try to get new collasion in a very dry, 304 00:16:28,674 --> 00:16:33,034 Speaker 3: dehydrated and stressed, inflamed skin, that quality of collision is 305 00:16:33,194 --> 00:16:37,034 Speaker 3: very different than the collision that you're producing in a healthy, 306 00:16:37,274 --> 00:16:40,114 Speaker 3: hydrated and not inflamed skin. 307 00:16:40,354 --> 00:16:43,714 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. I want to hear from you 308 00:16:43,794 --> 00:16:48,354 Speaker 2: as someone who is really invested in the technology and 309 00:16:48,434 --> 00:16:53,354 Speaker 2: investing because it's not cheap to bring these new technologies 310 00:16:53,794 --> 00:16:57,074 Speaker 2: from Europe or from Korea or wherever you're bringing these 311 00:16:57,114 --> 00:17:01,794 Speaker 2: machines from. It's definitely an investment. So you mentioned the bioneedling. 312 00:17:01,994 --> 00:17:05,594 Speaker 2: Tell me is this along with your radio frequency? But yeah, 313 00:17:05,874 --> 00:17:08,194 Speaker 2: talk to me about what's getting you really excited at 314 00:17:08,194 --> 00:17:08,674 Speaker 2: the moment. 315 00:17:08,914 --> 00:17:12,034 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's start with bioneedling. There's still so many 316 00:17:12,074 --> 00:17:15,234 Speaker 3: people who have not heard about the alternative to skin kneading. 317 00:17:15,394 --> 00:17:18,154 Speaker 3: I would say it's still everyone when it comes to 318 00:17:18,314 --> 00:17:21,954 Speaker 3: refining pores, working on pigmentation, getting their collage, and going 319 00:17:22,114 --> 00:17:26,274 Speaker 3: skin kneeling. Number one. We introduced bionneedling about a year ago, 320 00:17:26,714 --> 00:17:29,994 Speaker 3: and we again tested it for quite some time before 321 00:17:29,994 --> 00:17:32,994 Speaker 3: we decided to work with it and actually replace skin 322 00:17:33,074 --> 00:17:34,074 Speaker 3: leading altogether. 323 00:17:34,194 --> 00:17:35,394 Speaker 1: Do you test it on yourself? 324 00:17:35,554 --> 00:17:39,994 Speaker 3: Of course? Yeah, all of our therapists, they try things, 325 00:17:40,114 --> 00:17:43,714 Speaker 3: they have treatments themselves before. We actually not only know 326 00:17:43,834 --> 00:17:46,114 Speaker 3: about it, but when you work with something it's not 327 00:17:46,154 --> 00:17:47,914 Speaker 3: you do it once and you know about it. You 328 00:17:47,994 --> 00:17:50,313 Speaker 3: try it on different skins, you try it on different ages, 329 00:17:50,314 --> 00:17:54,834 Speaker 3: on different conditions, so that you learn exactly how bioneedling works. 330 00:17:54,994 --> 00:17:59,114 Speaker 3: So imagine it like bineedling works with little spicules. There 331 00:17:59,114 --> 00:18:05,594 Speaker 3: are tiny microscopic in visible needles that come from marine minerals. 332 00:18:05,754 --> 00:18:09,474 Speaker 3: So when you see skin needling works with little metallic needles, right, 333 00:18:09,554 --> 00:18:13,513 Speaker 3: and it causes controlled injury to the skin. So you 334 00:18:13,594 --> 00:18:17,154 Speaker 3: cause injury and instantly you force the skin to repair itself. 335 00:18:17,674 --> 00:18:20,474 Speaker 3: What we do with bionneedling is, first of all, we 336 00:18:20,554 --> 00:18:23,754 Speaker 3: decide which strength we use and also how deep those 337 00:18:23,794 --> 00:18:26,834 Speaker 3: spekles are. But what we do is we massage those 338 00:18:26,874 --> 00:18:30,513 Speaker 3: spiekiles into the skin. Then they are active for about 339 00:18:30,554 --> 00:18:35,514 Speaker 3: seventy two hours and they stimulate the skin to repair itself. 340 00:18:36,154 --> 00:18:38,714 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like helping the skin to do 341 00:18:38,954 --> 00:18:43,434 Speaker 2: what it would best do naturally, like behaving like a 342 00:18:43,474 --> 00:18:44,474 Speaker 2: more youthful skin. 343 00:18:44,714 --> 00:18:47,994 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So you decide what do you want 344 00:18:48,034 --> 00:18:49,594 Speaker 3: to do. Do you want to treat pigment. Do you 345 00:18:49,594 --> 00:18:53,474 Speaker 3: want to treat texture? You decide depending on the lengths 346 00:18:53,474 --> 00:18:55,914 Speaker 3: of the spekles and how many you use. You can 347 00:18:55,994 --> 00:18:59,674 Speaker 3: really be very versatile when it comes to the strength 348 00:18:59,714 --> 00:19:03,394 Speaker 3: of the treatment. So, for example, your skin, I would 349 00:19:03,474 --> 00:19:06,194 Speaker 3: like to eventually after two three months, once we work 350 00:19:06,194 --> 00:19:09,194 Speaker 3: on the hydration, very strong enough. It's strong enough. We 351 00:19:09,234 --> 00:19:11,434 Speaker 3: want to make that very clear. I would love to 352 00:19:11,474 --> 00:19:15,634 Speaker 3: introduce the most gentle form of speakills because I would 353 00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:17,994 Speaker 3: like to work on your texture and on your pores 354 00:19:18,274 --> 00:19:19,914 Speaker 3: and so that when you touch it it will be 355 00:19:20,314 --> 00:19:21,394 Speaker 3: baby soft. Yeah. 356 00:19:21,434 --> 00:19:25,273 Speaker 2: Wow, So it's just so many options. Yes, how do 357 00:19:25,354 --> 00:19:27,154 Speaker 2: you come across this stuff? 358 00:19:27,554 --> 00:19:31,194 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I always do so much research, 359 00:19:31,474 --> 00:19:35,354 Speaker 3: and I see one hundred new treatments popping up, and 360 00:19:35,394 --> 00:19:37,793 Speaker 3: to be honest, ninety nine point nine percent is it 361 00:19:37,834 --> 00:19:39,994 Speaker 3: already exists. They just give it a different name. 362 00:19:40,114 --> 00:19:41,554 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a different spin. 363 00:19:41,794 --> 00:19:44,994 Speaker 3: That's that's exactly right. So there is not much that 364 00:19:45,074 --> 00:19:48,194 Speaker 3: actually excites me, especially when you work in this industry 365 00:19:48,194 --> 00:19:50,154 Speaker 3: for thirty years. It's just like, yeah, it's the same thing. 366 00:19:50,154 --> 00:19:50,754 Speaker 3: It's the same thing. 367 00:19:50,954 --> 00:19:53,154 Speaker 2: Yeah, like question, yes, you know how that kind of 368 00:19:53,194 --> 00:19:55,314 Speaker 2: comes around and exactly. 369 00:19:55,834 --> 00:19:58,114 Speaker 3: That's exactly the same with skin. They just give it 370 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,553 Speaker 3: a different name or make it sound more fancy, but 371 00:20:00,754 --> 00:20:03,513 Speaker 3: in general, it's the same thing that already exists. So 372 00:20:03,554 --> 00:20:07,034 Speaker 3: when you try things, I would say the major difference 373 00:20:07,234 --> 00:20:12,114 Speaker 3: is pain injury and repare the skin and then non 374 00:20:12,114 --> 00:20:15,394 Speaker 3: invasive treatments. So I always try both because I want 375 00:20:15,434 --> 00:20:17,634 Speaker 3: to know about it. I want to learn about it, 376 00:20:17,794 --> 00:20:20,474 Speaker 3: and I prefer because I don't like pain. I don't 377 00:20:20,554 --> 00:20:24,194 Speaker 3: like any downtime. This is just me. And as I 378 00:20:24,274 --> 00:20:26,634 Speaker 3: mentioned many times before, I cry when I'm like my eyebrows. 379 00:20:27,354 --> 00:20:30,994 Speaker 3: I'm a sensitive flower, right, So I prefer the approach 380 00:20:31,154 --> 00:20:34,674 Speaker 3: to have something that changes my skin without being in 381 00:20:34,754 --> 00:20:37,594 Speaker 3: pain and without crying and without having any downtown. This 382 00:20:37,634 --> 00:20:41,833 Speaker 3: is me, and so I always say they are different approaches. 383 00:20:41,874 --> 00:20:49,434 Speaker 2: You choose, Okay, So I mean, I feel like I 384 00:20:49,474 --> 00:20:53,954 Speaker 2: can talk to you about skin for hours, and often 385 00:20:54,154 --> 00:20:56,594 Speaker 2: when I'm lying on your treatment bed, we are just 386 00:20:56,674 --> 00:20:59,474 Speaker 2: gasbagging the entire time, and I always come away learning 387 00:20:59,514 --> 00:21:03,553 Speaker 2: something new. But I also want to know what you're using, 388 00:21:03,714 --> 00:21:06,154 Speaker 2: what you're doing, because when you have access to the best, 389 00:21:06,194 --> 00:21:08,954 Speaker 2: you've got all your knowledge. So tell me, I want 390 00:21:08,954 --> 00:21:11,394 Speaker 2: to hear about your skincare utain like, what does your 391 00:21:11,634 --> 00:21:13,954 Speaker 2: morning and nighttime skincare routine look like? 392 00:21:14,314 --> 00:21:16,874 Speaker 3: As you know, in your late forties, right, you have 393 00:21:16,954 --> 00:21:18,354 Speaker 3: to do a lot more than you had to do 394 00:21:18,434 --> 00:21:21,794 Speaker 3: in your twenties and thirties because your skin doesn't bounce 395 00:21:21,834 --> 00:21:24,074 Speaker 3: back as quickly as it does. Meaning if I had 396 00:21:24,114 --> 00:21:26,874 Speaker 3: a night of terrible sleep, you see it. You see 397 00:21:26,914 --> 00:21:28,994 Speaker 3: it in my skin, you see it in my energy, 398 00:21:28,994 --> 00:21:33,514 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, and so Apart from looking after 399 00:21:33,554 --> 00:21:35,834 Speaker 3: myself a lot better than I did in my twenties 400 00:21:35,834 --> 00:21:39,194 Speaker 3: and thirties, my skin care changed as well, meaning I'm 401 00:21:39,274 --> 00:21:43,513 Speaker 3: way more careful in general, going in the sun, wearing SPF, 402 00:21:43,714 --> 00:21:46,194 Speaker 3: avoiding the midday sun, et cetera, et cetera, and so 403 00:21:46,554 --> 00:21:50,914 Speaker 3: my skincare routine at the moment consists of a very 404 00:21:51,074 --> 00:21:54,354 Speaker 3: very very simple routine. As you know. I love the 405 00:21:54,354 --> 00:21:57,793 Speaker 3: brand Booty Pacifique, which is very underrated and a lot 406 00:21:57,834 --> 00:22:00,714 Speaker 3: of people still don't know about it. I love the 407 00:22:00,834 --> 00:22:05,074 Speaker 3: technology behind, the science behind I don't like that packaging, 408 00:22:05,154 --> 00:22:07,954 Speaker 3: no one does. I don't like the way I do marketing, 409 00:22:08,474 --> 00:22:10,874 Speaker 3: but I love what's inside the bottle, which is the 410 00:22:10,874 --> 00:22:15,154 Speaker 3: most important thing my all time favorite cleanser is Nemo 411 00:22:15,274 --> 00:22:18,394 Speaker 3: Cleansing gel Light. Again, I sends the flower, so I 412 00:22:18,434 --> 00:22:21,634 Speaker 3: always like to use something gentle, is soap free and 413 00:22:21,754 --> 00:22:24,754 Speaker 3: works in a phou four point five, meaning it's very 414 00:22:24,874 --> 00:22:28,274 Speaker 3: very slightly acidic to have the benefits of the assets 415 00:22:28,554 --> 00:22:32,274 Speaker 3: that deeply hydrate, very gently exfoliate and prepare my skin 416 00:22:32,554 --> 00:22:33,793 Speaker 3: for the skincare that follows. 417 00:22:34,194 --> 00:22:36,834 Speaker 2: Because a lot of people, and I was told a 418 00:22:36,874 --> 00:22:39,954 Speaker 2: long time ago, just use water in the morning. Ye 419 00:22:40,114 --> 00:22:41,793 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people do that, So 420 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:46,194 Speaker 2: it's interesting that you're sensitive, but you're still using a 421 00:22:46,274 --> 00:22:47,354 Speaker 2: cleanser in the morning. 422 00:22:47,514 --> 00:22:50,474 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So there's a few different things I have to 423 00:22:50,514 --> 00:22:52,793 Speaker 3: answer to that you actually understand why I do what 424 00:22:52,874 --> 00:22:55,914 Speaker 3: I do. For a long period of time, I absolutely 425 00:22:55,954 --> 00:22:58,354 Speaker 3: believed in the same thing, just use water in the morning, 426 00:22:58,754 --> 00:23:04,034 Speaker 3: because most skins from their nightcare routine, they're quite sensitive, 427 00:23:04,354 --> 00:23:06,834 Speaker 3: especially when they use prescription vinament et cetera, et cetera, 428 00:23:07,354 --> 00:23:10,074 Speaker 3: So their skins again are not in the condition to 429 00:23:10,154 --> 00:23:12,354 Speaker 3: be able to be cleansed in the morning, and again 430 00:23:12,434 --> 00:23:15,474 Speaker 3: depends on the cleanser. But one of the things that 431 00:23:15,594 --> 00:23:18,674 Speaker 3: made the massive difference for me is introducing a water filter. 432 00:23:18,874 --> 00:23:22,834 Speaker 3: If someone wants to change. One thing that massively improves 433 00:23:22,994 --> 00:23:25,554 Speaker 3: the hydration of your skin, the sensitivity of your skin, 434 00:23:25,554 --> 00:23:28,034 Speaker 3: the dryness of your skin, is get a water filter. 435 00:23:28,394 --> 00:23:31,154 Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter which one. There's so many brands 436 00:23:31,194 --> 00:23:33,474 Speaker 3: out there now and doesn't matter. As soon as it 437 00:23:33,514 --> 00:23:36,553 Speaker 3: filters chlorine, fluoride and all of those things out of 438 00:23:36,554 --> 00:23:40,714 Speaker 3: the water, that exact itchiness and stuff that you describe disappears. 439 00:23:40,714 --> 00:23:44,273 Speaker 3: Like I barely even use a body moisturizer now because 440 00:23:44,274 --> 00:23:48,594 Speaker 3: I always bath or shower in a filter or I 441 00:23:48,674 --> 00:23:51,114 Speaker 3: use a filter. And now going back to your question, 442 00:23:51,874 --> 00:23:56,394 Speaker 3: if someone has a good skincare routine and doesn't overuse actives, 443 00:23:56,394 --> 00:24:01,234 Speaker 3: doesn't have a broken barrier, they are absolutely able to 444 00:24:01,354 --> 00:24:03,674 Speaker 3: use a cleanser. And again, don't forget the cleanser that 445 00:24:03,794 --> 00:24:06,914 Speaker 3: I love and always recommend is so free, so it 446 00:24:06,914 --> 00:24:08,994 Speaker 3: will will never strip your skin, It will never dry 447 00:24:09,034 --> 00:24:11,513 Speaker 3: out your skin like most cleansers do when they have 448 00:24:11,594 --> 00:24:14,553 Speaker 3: AHAs or PHAs, which is the gentle form of it. 449 00:24:14,994 --> 00:24:17,234 Speaker 3: And so the reason why I use it in the morning, 450 00:24:17,234 --> 00:24:20,474 Speaker 3: it's actually not about cleansing the skin per se. It's 451 00:24:20,554 --> 00:24:24,194 Speaker 3: more about preparing the skin for the products that I 452 00:24:24,274 --> 00:24:24,954 Speaker 3: use afterwards. 453 00:24:25,074 --> 00:24:26,033 Speaker 1: What's your next step. 454 00:24:26,154 --> 00:24:29,474 Speaker 3: So my next step very very simple. The Chaperone serum 455 00:24:29,514 --> 00:24:32,874 Speaker 3: and the Chaperone day cream, very very simple. And that 456 00:24:32,994 --> 00:24:36,594 Speaker 3: serum has a new ingredient in it that actually hydrates 457 00:24:36,954 --> 00:24:40,274 Speaker 3: five times more than puronic acid. And I have noticed 458 00:24:40,674 --> 00:24:43,234 Speaker 3: the biggest difference really in the hydration and how my 459 00:24:43,314 --> 00:24:46,513 Speaker 3: skin holds hydration. And again the skin was able to 460 00:24:46,594 --> 00:24:49,273 Speaker 3: prove it, because for me, the most important thing is 461 00:24:49,394 --> 00:24:52,954 Speaker 3: hydration and calm skin. That's the most important thing. And 462 00:24:53,074 --> 00:24:55,273 Speaker 3: so with this month, even after a few days, I 463 00:24:55,354 --> 00:24:57,714 Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, just the skin looks so 464 00:24:57,794 --> 00:25:01,074 Speaker 3: much healthier, so much more dewy. And by using that serum, 465 00:25:01,114 --> 00:25:03,434 Speaker 3: my skin drinks it. I mean how they always say 466 00:25:03,474 --> 00:25:05,834 Speaker 3: you need to use one or two drops. I use 467 00:25:05,834 --> 00:25:09,074 Speaker 3: a full pipett for fase, neck and deck. I always 468 00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:11,074 Speaker 3: give my skin what it needs. I don't go for 469 00:25:11,234 --> 00:25:14,994 Speaker 3: okay tool drops as they always say. I always go harder. Yeah, 470 00:25:14,994 --> 00:25:18,273 Speaker 3: And same thing with the day cream. So that's actually 471 00:25:18,274 --> 00:25:20,593 Speaker 3: what I do in the morning. But the most important 472 00:25:20,594 --> 00:25:23,194 Speaker 3: product I forgot. And you will know that product very well. 473 00:25:23,874 --> 00:25:26,033 Speaker 3: You know the smell and you recognize it even yesterday 474 00:25:26,034 --> 00:25:28,794 Speaker 3: as I applied it on your skin. My puffy ice, Jill, 475 00:25:28,914 --> 00:25:31,914 Speaker 3: that's the product I wake up in the morning with 476 00:25:31,994 --> 00:25:34,553 Speaker 3: my ice, wake up with this and instantly helps me 477 00:25:34,634 --> 00:25:37,754 Speaker 3: to deepuff my eyes. I forgot that one. That's the 478 00:25:37,794 --> 00:25:39,194 Speaker 3: most that's the first one. 479 00:25:39,074 --> 00:25:43,914 Speaker 2: And some og you beauty listeners will recall Lee talking 480 00:25:43,994 --> 00:25:46,914 Speaker 2: about that product as well. As soon as you applied it, 481 00:25:47,154 --> 00:25:50,833 Speaker 2: I was like, that's beauty Pacific. Yes, you know obviously 482 00:25:50,914 --> 00:25:54,273 Speaker 2: when you're working in a clinic, because those are the products. 483 00:25:54,794 --> 00:25:57,754 Speaker 2: The sheets, right, So you've got the mattress and the sheets, 484 00:25:58,034 --> 00:25:59,954 Speaker 2: and so you're really putting a lot of thought and 485 00:26:00,034 --> 00:26:02,674 Speaker 2: time into what are the sheets that are complementing all 486 00:26:02,714 --> 00:26:05,354 Speaker 2: the mattress treatments that you're doing. Do you have any 487 00:26:05,394 --> 00:26:07,594 Speaker 2: other brands that you want to get on you b Radar. 488 00:26:07,874 --> 00:26:10,434 Speaker 3: So all the brands that we pick, again have been 489 00:26:10,474 --> 00:26:12,434 Speaker 3: tested for a long time with our scan so that 490 00:26:12,514 --> 00:26:15,634 Speaker 3: we know that they're really working. And the two other 491 00:26:15,674 --> 00:26:18,914 Speaker 3: brands I work with Nimu which is a South African brand, 492 00:26:19,074 --> 00:26:22,714 Speaker 3: and Genetic, which is a French brand. Both of them 493 00:26:22,994 --> 00:26:27,234 Speaker 3: work very signsy with very sophisticated delivery system. So I 494 00:26:27,274 --> 00:26:30,914 Speaker 3: always say it's not the ingredient, it's the delivery system 495 00:26:30,954 --> 00:26:33,914 Speaker 3: into the skin. So yes, you can work with peptides, 496 00:26:33,954 --> 00:26:36,514 Speaker 3: you can work with retinals, you can work with viol 497 00:26:36,594 --> 00:26:38,914 Speaker 3: and c whatever it is. But it's how you get 498 00:26:38,914 --> 00:26:41,354 Speaker 3: it delivered into the skin to bring it to the 499 00:26:41,394 --> 00:26:44,034 Speaker 3: target cell that it actually makes a difference. 500 00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:47,954 Speaker 2: On our Friday episodes, we do spendy savy, so we 501 00:26:48,074 --> 00:26:52,954 Speaker 2: do a more investment spendy product recommendation and then a savy. 502 00:26:53,314 --> 00:26:54,754 Speaker 1: So I'd love to ask you, you. 503 00:26:54,714 --> 00:26:58,114 Speaker 2: Know, what's your spendy and what's your savy. 504 00:26:58,634 --> 00:27:02,474 Speaker 3: The one product that I really think is worth investing 505 00:27:02,514 --> 00:27:05,554 Speaker 3: in is the Victoria Beckham Foundation drops. 506 00:27:05,874 --> 00:27:08,033 Speaker 1: I was not ex expecting that. 507 00:27:08,674 --> 00:27:14,273 Speaker 3: I absolutely adore it. And again it depends on the 508 00:27:14,314 --> 00:27:17,154 Speaker 3: finish that you want to achieve. Again, I'm late forties, 509 00:27:17,234 --> 00:27:21,033 Speaker 3: right sensitive flower, et cetera, et cetera. I like the 510 00:27:21,114 --> 00:27:23,834 Speaker 3: no makeup look. I like skin to look like skin. 511 00:27:24,234 --> 00:27:27,154 Speaker 3: But the most dewey and glowing finish, that's what I like. 512 00:27:27,474 --> 00:27:30,354 Speaker 3: After trying five million things, And of course I always 513 00:27:30,394 --> 00:27:34,794 Speaker 3: loved it cosmetics, Oh yes, for sure, and I still 514 00:27:34,834 --> 00:27:36,954 Speaker 3: absolutely love it and I never thought I would love 515 00:27:37,074 --> 00:27:41,874 Speaker 3: something more, but this one is better? Yeah wow. And 516 00:27:41,954 --> 00:27:45,874 Speaker 3: so the main reason is because when you apply it, it 517 00:27:45,634 --> 00:27:48,634 Speaker 3: looks like you wear nothing, but your skin just looks better. 518 00:27:48,994 --> 00:27:51,394 Speaker 3: It just looks better, and even after you wash it off, 519 00:27:51,754 --> 00:27:52,634 Speaker 3: it feels amazing. 520 00:27:52,874 --> 00:27:53,634 Speaker 1: And what's your say? 521 00:27:53,754 --> 00:27:58,114 Speaker 3: The number one is the Baptist dry shampoo. Even that 522 00:27:58,274 --> 00:28:00,834 Speaker 3: it is not a face product, I swear to. 523 00:28:01,114 --> 00:28:03,114 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with these recommendations. 524 00:28:03,194 --> 00:28:05,874 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, and they are really very genuine 525 00:28:05,954 --> 00:28:09,073 Speaker 3: and I love them. This is a dry shampoo I 526 00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:12,474 Speaker 3: swear by which works for my very fine hair and 527 00:28:12,914 --> 00:28:14,754 Speaker 3: makes me look like I actually washed my hair even 528 00:28:14,874 --> 00:28:17,474 Speaker 3: when I didn't. And I would say, when you buy 529 00:28:17,474 --> 00:28:20,154 Speaker 3: it on sale for nine dollars, something right and it 530 00:28:20,314 --> 00:28:23,994 Speaker 3: lasts forever, I would say that it's my sav You. 531 00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:28,714 Speaker 2: Karina, Thank you so much for coming in spending some 532 00:28:28,794 --> 00:28:32,234 Speaker 2: time with us and just explaining and breaking everything down. 533 00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:34,954 Speaker 1: And that's all we have time for today. 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