WEBVTT - Oops We Got A DCC Cheerleader In Big Trouble 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.640 Hello, out louders, and welcome to mom and me are 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.320 out loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Friday, 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.479 the seventeenth of July. My name is hollywayen Wright. I'm 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.480 mea Friedman, I'm m Vernum and here's what made our 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:20.959 agenda for today. Oops, we got a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:22.200 in a lot of trouble. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.639 We did sweet Plus, I just watched the alleged movie 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:26.640 of the decade. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:27.960 I've got some things to say. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:29.880 And should there be an age cut off for wedding 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.800 registries and baby registries? Which I didn't know baby registries 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:35.520 was the thing? I'm clearly out of the loop. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.680 So are we watching DCC the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader's America's 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.200 Sweethearts on Netflix? Yes? 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.479 I watched the whole thing the day are dropped. You 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.840 recommended it, in fact, on the show a few weeks ago, 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.400 and you alerted me because I had not seen it yet. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.199 Because she always god knows what else she does with 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:52.479 her life, she's always on it. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.120 She likes to throw around the word in bargo a lot. Yeah, sorry, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.760 very important. She probably got to watch it before it 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.640 even existed. Anyway, those of us who were just catching up. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.120 You told us in that reco about Faith Ward, who 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.880 is an Aussie member of the cheerleading team. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.600 Yes, she's from New Zealand, but she's been living in 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.640 Perth for the last few years, so she's got a 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.720 thick Australian accent. And she, I would say, was the 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.080 star of this last season. It's such a breakout. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.640 If you tapped out like I did in season two, 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.480 which was kind of bleak. Season one was amazing breakout here. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.680 Season two was nothing happened and they skipped. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.039 There was like a lot of money problems. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.760 Yeah, and there was no real stakes. There was just 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.399 not very interesting. And season three back baby, I realized 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.960 that the Steaks are in the audition process and once 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.039 they're actually the cheerleaders and the team's been picked. Because 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:47.480 it used to be before was this, it was called 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.520 making the team and it was very much about that 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.360 audition process. So season three is not only back to that, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.320 it's centered on faith and she's a delight. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.520 She is a delight, so right though, it is all 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.280 about those auditions because otherwise, and it says, you can't 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.240 imagine how they're going to keep this going and going 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.720 and going right, because that first season we were all 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.600 those of us who hadn't watched making the team on 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.800 CMT or whatever it was. We were all like, what 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.160 this world exists, you know, and then season two you're like, oh, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.400 this world's a bit sad and so anyway, face, I. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:26.000 Don't think that that DCC, the entity brand multi million 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.960 dollar Enterprise was happy with season two because there was 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.080 a lot of dirty laundry about the fact that the 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.520 girls are paid so poorly, their conditions are so terrible. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.480 Left to wash their own uniforms, they have to work 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.000 multiple other jobs. They keep breaking their hips. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.200 Because they've got to do those stupid splits. Yeah, it 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:45.360 was a bit too real, boots. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.240 It was a little too real, and I don't think 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:48.360 it was good for the brand. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.880 Well, I want to talk about the brand because faith So, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.919 star of season three, has discussed Delightful Perth Cheerleader. She 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.160 has wanted this her whole life. She has been was 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.600 a dance kid, she was working on She's done cheer before. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.080 She was working on a cruise ship and trying to 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.160 get a job at the Muland Rouge in Paris. When 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.760 she saw an ad well, actually, somebody slid into her 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.640 DMS and said, why don't you I think it was Shelley, 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.760 the one whose daughter keeps getting kicked out one of 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.679 the towers Scout, I think, and said, why don't you 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:20.760 audition for the DCC. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.680 So she did, and Faith at the time was already 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.160 a big influencer in Australia. Her Instagram was called Flexy 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.480 Faith and she would post a lot of videos of 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.760 her doing these crazy hips. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.480 Hers she doesn't have any Well, HER's a. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.720 Double jointed, so she can like when you did that 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.880 with your barbies when you're little and used to spin 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:41.840 their legs around, she can actually do that with her 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.839 actual body, so she'll have no hit problems jumping into 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:45.560 those silly ses. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.000 Oh but it makes me worried about how much calcium 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:53.080 she's going to have to eat later in life. That anyway, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.320 So if you have watched all of this season of DCC, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:58.960 you know this. If you haven't, it's a little bit 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.960 of a spoiler, but to be honest, it's fine. In 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:05.320 the last episode of this season, Faith goes in to 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:06.839 do the thing that they do where they say whether 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.560 or not they want to stay or go, like re 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.800 audition to try and get into the team again next 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.160 year or whether they're hanging up their heart pants and 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:20.520 Faith is wants to stay. But Kelly and Judy, who 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:25.279 are the real stars of America's Sweetheart Curious people I've 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.599 ever seen on TV. So they're the bosses of this 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:35.200 whole operation. And they are of indeterminate age, like maybe 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.919 they're seventy. That you can kind of. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.720 Tell because it says they were both DCC themselves, and 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.760 it says the year that they were DCC. I think 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.000 one of them is early eighties and one of them 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.359 is late eighties. Not their age, but the year that 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:55.320 they're in DCC, so I reckon they're late sixties, early seventies. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.600 And they have spent their whole lives since then in 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.720 the brand, working for the brand, working around the brand, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.760 so is in their blood. DCC is their life, and 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.760 they guard this brand they do like the dragons at 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.200 the door. And of course their lives have been made 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.840 more difficult by the fact that now all the girls 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.720 want to be influencers and stars, which is what we're 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.000 going to get to. Because Faith came to Australia and 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.840 did some interviews, including one on No Filter with our 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.080 own Kate Langbrook here's a little grab of that, just 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.680 one of the things that she said, one of the 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.400 many things that she said on that show. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.560 There was this big thing going around saying it was 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.160 a four hundred percent pay increase, which don't get me wrong, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.520 it's a pay increase. And I'm so incredibly blessed to 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.960 be drawing the team when that happened, Like I would 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.080 not be able to you know, I didn't have a 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:40.600 visa for a bit, so I couldn't get a job, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.240 and you know, have extra money coming in, so I 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.359 would not be surviving if we didn't have that pay increase. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.960 But it's still not realistically enough for what we do 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:48.919 as athletes. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.120 So she said things like that in that interview, and 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.200 only she knew what was going to happen. And I 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.960 can't play you what Kelly and Judy said because we're 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.560 not allowed to lift it from Netflix. So I'm just 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.240 going to reenact it a little bit, Okay, do the accent, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.440 So I'm not going to do that. Faith is about 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.920 to come in and Kelly's drinking from her giant cup. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.720 She's always drinking some kind of iced coffee situation from 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.520 a giant cup, slipping through a store and she's like, 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.560 oh next is faith. Oh God, this will be long winded, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.400 and then she goes, but I want to talk to 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.760 her about her email and interview, and they basically challenged 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.960 her over the interview, saying that she needed to run 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.480 all the press commitments through them and she hadn't done 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.680 that with her Australia ones, and that she was basically 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.800 running her own independent press tour and then gives a 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.800 very said if you were reauditioning tomorrow because of this, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.719 you would be a no, you need to re earn 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.839 my trust to come back, a bit harsh like whatever. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.920 But I did a little bit of sleuthing and did a. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.960 Bit of CSIDCC no filter Mama Mia, and she came 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.480 in with her own manager, no Netflix approved person. And 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.080 this is the big challenge for Kelly and Judy and 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:06.240 the other lady who's the. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:07.880 Daughter of the owner, Charlotte. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.840 The challenge is that the whole idea of DCC is 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.680 that the brand is bigger than the individuals and it's 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:20.640 just a series of replaceable parts. No one can look 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.120 too different, and that's the whole point of them, that 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.800 everybody has to kind of look the same. No one 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.480 can stand out, no one can become too big for 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:34.240 the brand, and that was in case they eclipsed the brand, 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:38.720 and that was the case until the first season. And 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.360 the big standout from that season was Reese. Reese became 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.080 a big star, and I don't know what went from 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.880 behind the scenes, but by the time we see recent season. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.679 Three, she's beaten down. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.560 Man, she is not happy, and by the end of 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.720 this season she actually decides to retire early. Yeah, she's 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.680 my favorite, and she was everyone's favorite, and you could 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.720 see that. It's very interesting to know what went on 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.240 behind the scenes because you've got the demands of the 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.360 DCC brand and then you've got the demands of the show. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.440 So the show isn't interesting if everybody is a cardboard 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:17.840 cutout step for cheerleader. And so you could almost tell 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.520 whether they were setting this up for the for the 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.040 drama and the plot is very possible. But you could 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.720 see in the auditions that there was a lot of 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.400 disparaging things said about cruise ship dancers. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.200 I know there. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:36.720 Were two and a lot of there was a lot 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:41.959 of eye rolling and side eye about cruise ship dances, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.080 and you could see that they were different to the 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.600 very formatted structured synchronized. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.960 Pomgirls, the Pomgirls. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.720 Exactly, and a lot of the girls come through college 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.920 cheering that that get into the team and they've got 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:55.640 that experience. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:57.400 So you can. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.880 Almost see that because Faith was just such a stand 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.640 out through the audition process and they decided obviously early 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:03.640 on to follow her. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.120 She was going to be in the team. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.800 Like that was good for the brand of the show, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.560 that was good for the merch, that's good for the 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:19.280 DCC brand to have stars. But they can't be too starry. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.680 Yeah, and they also can't And this is a problem 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.640 that a lot of reality shows have, right, It's that 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.120 once you've done a couple of seasons of this and 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.440 people can see, oh, I can get famous this way. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.920 So and I'm not saying this is absolutely what Faith did, 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.480 but come on, FLEXI. Faith has five hundred thousand people 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.400 on Instagram. She's like, this is going to be great 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.200 for my career in many ways, whether I get in 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.760 it or not. I mean, Texas looks like hard work, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.439 you know, being a professional cheerleader looks like hard work. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.800 But I get famous, I get to build my following, 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.679 I get to do my thing. And Kelly and Judy 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.480 are trying to sort of lift them up and push 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.200 them down at the same time. Yeah, don't you think. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.760 Yeah, especially with the season where we saw Kelly and 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.120 Judy getting feed back on their feedback and they were 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.120 told to give more positive reinforcement, and like Judy will 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.920 like talk into a phone and be like great kick 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.120 looking good. That one's a bit flabby. I don't know 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.360 what I'm saying, and it was just so busy. Welcome 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:17.359 to managing. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:17.960 Jensay exactly. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.480 You've got to let them talk about their feelings and 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.560 you can't hurt their feelings. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.600 And how many times Kelly says with this like sort 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.360 of sour tone in her voice, the one thing they've 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.240 all told me is that they want more feedback. And 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.600 then you give them feedback and they don't want to. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.400 Yeah, and then she's like yelling at someone and then 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.360 at the end she's like, I love you, Like I 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.120 don't know if this is the right way. But what 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.560 was interesting about this season is that in the addition process, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.000 they say that the auditions for this season happened after 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.160 the first season went live, So they're not only getting 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.520 girls who are like so passionate about joining DCC, but 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.960 they're getting people who just want to be famous, who 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:56.839 want to be on TV. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.320 I'm sure the first season of Maps everyone really did 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.280 want to find I'm going to work out that it's 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:03.480 a path to totally fat. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.559 I'm going to take you back even further. The one 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.559 of the og reality shows, Big Brother, when Sarah Marie 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.080 became famous with her bunny ears and her pajamas, and 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.800 I was there and the Big Brother compound when she 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.280 came out and there were thousands of young women dressed 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.720 in pajama pants with bunnies, and she was so shocked 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:27.080 because it was all just completely organic. In subsequent years, though, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.080 everyone went into the house, what's my bunny is? 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:31.440 How am I going to merchandise that? 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.760 So that beautiful innocence of the first season that we 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.520 saw in DC, so have you've seen it? The first 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.800 season of any reality show gets lost. And the second 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.360 season I think was also boring, because you're right, the 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.440 first season hadn't gone to air yet when the second 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.560 season was filmed. So this is the first time the 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.480 auditions have attracted people that have seen it as a 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:54.319 vehicle to fame. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.400 But then I'm a bit cynical about it because the 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:02.360 fact that Shelley slid into Faith DMS and invited her 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.880 to audition. That was because she'd seen her on social media. 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.040 They must be obviously, to get the brand, the show 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.760 brand out further and further all the time, and the 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.120 DCC brand will stop out further and further all the time. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.680 Recruiting girls who have followings and come from other countries 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.320 and other markets is a very sound marketing strategy. So 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.480 it's like they kind of say, we don't want you 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.200 to get too popular, but they do, you know what 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.040 I mean, Like they do because it gives you more reach. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.199 They've got people who turn up because they want to 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:32.960 see them. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.400 This is what I mean about the competing interests of 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.440 Kelly and Judy, who just want the girls under their 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.440 thumb and to be able to control them. And there's 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.560 been a lot of talk about how one of the 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.959 ways they control them is by paying them very little, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.880 so they have to work other jobs. They don't have 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.800 the opportunity to become too big for their boots, I 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.320 guess because they're so tight. But now those other jobs 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.720 can be influencing jobs. That's right, and you could see 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.760 how uncomfortable. It's a whole other thing it's a level 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.920 of fame. And I really do feel for Kelly and 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.160 Judy too because it's a they've been doing this for 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.720 so long and it's a whole other level of fame 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.880 for them too. So it would be interesting to see 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.880 what happens next season. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.120 It's funny because we're not funny. But on the No 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.720 Filter interview, which I've listened to, Kate asks Faith what 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.720 her other job is. Now we've all watched DCC, so 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.600 we know that there are dental nurses, and there are messrs, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.440 and there are all these things, and she is like, 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.840 I am a full time content creator and I'm sure 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.640 that increasingly that is everybody's day job. And you can 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.480 just imagine the meetings when they go into Kelly and 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.320 go so like Reese's pieces would like me to be 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.080 in La on Saturday for a shoot, and they'd just 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.760 be like absolutely not like no way, Like it's yeah, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.040 it doesn't seem to be able to coexist in a moment. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.280 Are you too old for a free toaster? And did 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.960 you know that three thousand dollars prams existed? No? 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.520 Please, No out Loudders. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.040 In our subscriber episode on Tuesday, we shared some memories 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.319 of Sam Neil, including that time that em had dinner 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.120 with him, as well as Charlie's and the new strategy 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.480 for when famous women are called too thin and the 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.480 Jack and Margaret Qualley breakup? 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.840 What happened? Have a listen? There's a link in new 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:14.440 show notes. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.400 Last week, the Internet decided that some people are too 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.200 old for wedding gifts. Why I feel like I'm being 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.720 attacked actually because the thinking goes like this, if you're 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.000 over thirty, you've already got all that shit. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.560 Shut up and do you think that's a bit harsh? 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.560 It is so harsh because he lives. We're still going 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:33.960 through it. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.720 But surely you can have different kinds of gifts. It 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.040 used to be here's a plate set, here's a toaster, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.920 and now you're just like, here's a holiday money. Everyone's 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.680 just wishing. That's what I've heard, wishing wells of the 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:47.080 new thing. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.120 Hey me, well this week there's the same energy, but 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:51.200 a different registry. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:52.640 Now they're coming for the babies. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.160 A woman went viral on Reddit for saying that she 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.080 won't buy off the baby registry for couples who wait. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.000 Too long to have kids. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.320 She gave an example she has forty year old friends 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.160 with good jobs who had the audacity to put a 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:13.000 three thousand dollar PRAM on their baby registry. And the 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.080 counter example that she gave was a younger, presumably poorer 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:21.040 couple who were paying for fertility treatment. And then in 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.520 the comments, someone pointed out that you don't actually know 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.560 anyone's fertility story and maybe this couple, you don't know 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.280 their story the older couple, and she replied that she 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.560 did in fact know the exact month her friend had 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.160 her iud removed. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.400 Oh my god, I can't it's just term. I have a. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.160 Question that this raised for me, apart from the fact, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.160 why is this woman friends with this woman? 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.800 I think she needs to rethink her choices. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.760 But is a registry whether it's her, a wedding or 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.400 a baby, is it a wish list or a means test? 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.600 Is there an age where you like forfeit your right 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.760 to be given things? And also, what's the going rate 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.160 for a PRAM before it becomes obscene? 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:05.520 Yeah, the pram. Look. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.640 I recently went to a baby shower and there was 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.440 a registry, but everything on the registry was under fifty dollars, 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.200 so he could choose something that was like fifteen dollars, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.720 ten dollars, twenty dollars, and I thought that was nice. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.240 Do you prefer a registry? 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.480 Yeah, because then with registries you can buy it online 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.120 and then it gets sent straight to their house. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:26.120 That's helpful. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.360 Although I'm always late and all the good stuff and 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:29.800 the real price stuff is gone. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.000 Yeah, and then you're getting like nipple cream for two dollars. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.920 It's very helpful. It all depends. So I was thinking 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.400 this is crazy, and then I remembered that I was 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.960 this person. I was thirty eight when I had my 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.480 first child. I was forty when I had my second child, 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:50.920 and I didn't have a registry. But for Matilda, we 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.880 had like a It wasn't a baby shower, but it 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.080 was like a little party for friends and stuff in 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.880 the park to celebrate the baby. And my friend's all 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.159 chipped in and got me a really fancy nappy bag. Now, 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.920 could I, in theory, at thirty eight years old, with 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.520 a good job I worked in magazines, afford my own 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.560 nappy bag? Yes? Are there lots of expensive things to 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.080 buy before you have a baby, yes? And did my 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.879 friends want to give me something? Yes? So, like I think, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.960 it depends if you see a registry as a demand 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.119 or not. You know, like if Taylor and Travis just 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.560 got married and they said absolutely no gifts, there will 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.320 be some people who got them gifts, no questions. Some 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.600 people just want to. They just will whether you want 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.119 them to or not. A registry if it's like you 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.720 have to and if you don't, then that's one thing 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.879 that I can understand. It gets people's backs up because 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.680 they're like, I don't want to spend that kind of 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.000 money and everything on there's too expensive. But if you 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.479 choose to just see that as a suggestion and instead 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.760 you go, I think you guys are doing fine. I'm 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.639 just coming for the free drinks, then just do that, 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.240 don't you think? No? 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.200 Well, I think with like a baby shower and about 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.439 the age thing again, I feel like you're right in 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.520 a way where it does feel like the younger you are, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.680 the more you get. But I also think that's because 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.439 of how many times you see you have attending a 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.840 baby shower or a wedding during that period of time. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.040 Like in my family, I think about if I were 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.800 to get married in my generation, there's about like forty 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.680 of my cousins who are all the same age, I would. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.320 Going to be an expensive few years for your life. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.600 Well, I've already been to five weddings this year. I 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.840 feel like I'll be one of the later ones to 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.000 get married, and I can. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.359 Already see the fatigue. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.159 So I can already see everyone getting really excited for 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.000 the first one, then the second one, the the third run, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.320 and then those first ones will start having babies, so 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.440 then they won't be as excited for the next one, 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.399 and then I can just feel like, when it's my turn, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.480 it will be like my mom, my dad, maybe my husband, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.920 no one else. I'm like, that's just how it goes. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.320 So you think that the people who are upset about 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.800 the forty year old gift registries are just done with 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.240 having them? 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.679 Am I going to a baby shower now? Like you 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.480 should have had it like ten years ago when I 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:04.800 was in my baby shower moment. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.160 Well, yeah, there's a couple of different things going on though, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:13.679 because one is legitimately wedding gifts were about helping the 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.280