Speaker 1: Hello, out louders, and welcome to mom and me are
Speaker 1: out loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Friday,
Speaker 1: the seventeenth of July. My name is hollywayen Wright. I'm
Speaker 1: mea Friedman, I'm m Vernum and here's what made our
Speaker 1: agenda for today. Oops, we got a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader
Speaker 1: in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: We did sweet Plus, I just watched the alleged movie
Speaker 2: of the decade.
Speaker 1: I've got some things to say.
Speaker 3: And should there be an age cut off for wedding
Speaker 3: registries and baby registries? Which I didn't know baby registries
Speaker 3: was the thing? I'm clearly out of the loop.
Speaker 1: So are we watching DCC the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader's America's
Speaker 1: Sweethearts on Netflix? Yes?
Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing the day are dropped. You
Speaker 2: recommended it, in fact, on the show a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and you alerted me because I had not seen it yet.
Speaker 2: Because she always god knows what else she does with
Speaker 2: her life, she's always on it.
Speaker 1: She likes to throw around the word in bargo a lot. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: very important. She probably got to watch it before it
Speaker 1: even existed. Anyway, those of us who were just catching up.
Speaker 1: You told us in that reco about Faith Ward, who
Speaker 1: is an Aussie member of the cheerleading team.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's from New Zealand, but she's been living in
Speaker 2: Perth for the last few years, so she's got a
Speaker 2: thick Australian accent. And she, I would say, was the
Speaker 2: star of this last season. It's such a breakout.
Speaker 3: If you tapped out like I did in season two,
Speaker 3: which was kind of bleak. Season one was amazing breakout here.
Speaker 3: Season two was nothing happened and they skipped.
Speaker 1: There was like a lot of money problems.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was no real stakes. There was just
Speaker 3: not very interesting. And season three back baby, I realized
Speaker 3: that the Steaks are in the audition process and once
Speaker 3: they're actually the cheerleaders and the team's been picked. Because
Speaker 3: it used to be before was this, it was called
Speaker 3: making the team and it was very much about that
Speaker 3: audition process. So season three is not only back to that,
Speaker 3: it's centered on faith and she's a delight.
Speaker 1: She is a delight, so right though, it is all
Speaker 1: about those auditions because otherwise, and it says, you can't
Speaker 1: imagine how they're going to keep this going and going
Speaker 1: and going right, because that first season we were all
Speaker 1: those of us who hadn't watched making the team on
Speaker 1: CMT or whatever it was. We were all like, what
Speaker 1: this world exists, you know, and then season two you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this world's a bit sad and so anyway, face, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think that that DCC, the entity brand multi million
Speaker 3: dollar Enterprise was happy with season two because there was
Speaker 3: a lot of dirty laundry about the fact that the
Speaker 3: girls are paid so poorly, their conditions are so terrible.
Speaker 3: Left to wash their own uniforms, they have to work
Speaker 3: multiple other jobs. They keep breaking their hips.
Speaker 1: Because they've got to do those stupid splits. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a bit too real, boots.
Speaker 3: It was a little too real, and I don't think
Speaker 3: it was good for the brand.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about the brand because faith So,
Speaker 1: star of season three, has discussed Delightful Perth Cheerleader. She
Speaker 1: has wanted this her whole life. She has been was
Speaker 1: a dance kid, she was working on She's done cheer before.
Speaker 1: She was working on a cruise ship and trying to
Speaker 1: get a job at the Muland Rouge in Paris. When
Speaker 1: she saw an ad well, actually, somebody slid into her
Speaker 1: DMS and said, why don't you I think it was Shelley,
Speaker 1: the one whose daughter keeps getting kicked out one of
Speaker 1: the towers Scout, I think, and said, why don't you
Speaker 1: audition for the DCC.
Speaker 2: So she did, and Faith at the time was already
Speaker 2: a big influencer in Australia. Her Instagram was called Flexy
Speaker 2: Faith and she would post a lot of videos of
Speaker 2: her doing these crazy hips.
Speaker 1: Hers she doesn't have any Well, HER's a.
Speaker 3: Double jointed, so she can like when you did that
Speaker 3: with your barbies when you're little and used to spin
Speaker 3: their legs around, she can actually do that with her
Speaker 3: actual body, so she'll have no hit problems jumping into
Speaker 3: those silly ses.
Speaker 1: Oh but it makes me worried about how much calcium
Speaker 1: she's going to have to eat later in life. That anyway,
Speaker 1: So if you have watched all of this season of DCC,
Speaker 1: you know this. If you haven't, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a spoiler, but to be honest, it's fine. In
Speaker 1: the last episode of this season, Faith goes in to
Speaker 1: do the thing that they do where they say whether
Speaker 1: or not they want to stay or go, like re
Speaker 1: audition to try and get into the team again next
Speaker 1: year or whether they're hanging up their heart pants and
Speaker 1: Faith is wants to stay. But Kelly and Judy, who
Speaker 1: are the real stars of America's Sweetheart Curious people I've
Speaker 1: ever seen on TV. So they're the bosses of this
Speaker 1: whole operation. And they are of indeterminate age, like maybe
Speaker 1: they're seventy. That you can kind of.
Speaker 3: Tell because it says they were both DCC themselves, and
Speaker 3: it says the year that they were DCC. I think
Speaker 3: one of them is early eighties and one of them
Speaker 3: is late eighties. Not their age, but the year that
Speaker 3: they're in DCC, so I reckon they're late sixties, early seventies.
Speaker 1: And they have spent their whole lives since then in
Speaker 1: the brand, working for the brand, working around the brand,
Speaker 1: so is in their blood. DCC is their life, and
Speaker 1: they guard this brand they do like the dragons at
Speaker 1: the door. And of course their lives have been made
Speaker 1: more difficult by the fact that now all the girls
Speaker 1: want to be influencers and stars, which is what we're
Speaker 1: going to get to. Because Faith came to Australia and
Speaker 1: did some interviews, including one on No Filter with our
Speaker 1: own Kate Langbrook here's a little grab of that, just
Speaker 1: one of the things that she said, one of the
Speaker 1: many things that she said on that show.
Speaker 4: There was this big thing going around saying it was
Speaker 4: a four hundred percent pay increase, which don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: it's a pay increase. And I'm so incredibly blessed to
Speaker 4: be drawing the team when that happened, Like I would
Speaker 4: not be able to you know, I didn't have a
Speaker 4: visa for a bit, so I couldn't get a job,
Speaker 4: and you know, have extra money coming in, so I
Speaker 4: would not be surviving if we didn't have that pay increase.
Speaker 4: But it's still not realistically enough for what we do
Speaker 4: as athletes.
Speaker 1: So she said things like that in that interview, and
Speaker 1: only she knew what was going to happen. And I
Speaker 1: can't play you what Kelly and Judy said because we're
Speaker 1: not allowed to lift it from Netflix. So I'm just
Speaker 1: going to reenact it a little bit, Okay, do the accent,
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to do that. Faith is about
Speaker 1: to come in and Kelly's drinking from her giant cup.
Speaker 1: She's always drinking some kind of iced coffee situation from
Speaker 1: a giant cup, slipping through a store and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh next is faith. Oh God, this will be long winded,
Speaker 1: and then she goes, but I want to talk to
Speaker 1: her about her email and interview, and they basically challenged
Speaker 1: her over the interview, saying that she needed to run
Speaker 1: all the press commitments through them and she hadn't done
Speaker 1: that with her Australia ones, and that she was basically
Speaker 1: running her own independent press tour and then gives a
Speaker 1: very said if you were reauditioning tomorrow because of this,
Speaker 1: you would be a no, you need to re earn
Speaker 1: my trust to come back, a bit harsh like whatever.
Speaker 5: But I did a little bit of sleuthing and did a.
Speaker 3: Bit of CSIDCC no filter Mama Mia, and she came
Speaker 3: in with her own manager, no Netflix approved person. And
Speaker 3: this is the big challenge for Kelly and Judy and
Speaker 3: the other lady who's the.
Speaker 1: Daughter of the owner, Charlotte.
Speaker 3: The challenge is that the whole idea of DCC is
Speaker 3: that the brand is bigger than the individuals and it's
Speaker 3: just a series of replaceable parts. No one can look
Speaker 3: too different, and that's the whole point of them, that
Speaker 3: everybody has to kind of look the same. No one
Speaker 3: can stand out, no one can become too big for
Speaker 3: the brand, and that was in case they eclipsed the brand,
Speaker 3: and that was the case until the first season. And
Speaker 3: the big standout from that season was Reese. Reese became
Speaker 3: a big star, and I don't know what went from
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, but by the time we see recent season.
Speaker 1: Three, she's beaten down.
Speaker 3: Man, she is not happy, and by the end of
Speaker 3: this season she actually decides to retire early. Yeah, she's
Speaker 3: my favorite, and she was everyone's favorite, and you could
Speaker 3: see that. It's very interesting to know what went on
Speaker 3: behind the scenes because you've got the demands of the
Speaker 3: DCC brand and then you've got the demands of the show.
Speaker 3: So the show isn't interesting if everybody is a cardboard
Speaker 3: cutout step for cheerleader. And so you could almost tell
Speaker 3: whether they were setting this up for the for the
Speaker 3: drama and the plot is very possible. But you could
Speaker 3: see in the auditions that there was a lot of
Speaker 3: disparaging things said about cruise ship dancers.
Speaker 1: I know there.
Speaker 3: Were two and a lot of there was a lot
Speaker 3: of eye rolling and side eye about cruise ship dances,
Speaker 3: and you could see that they were different to the
Speaker 3: very formatted structured synchronized.
Speaker 1: Pomgirls, the Pomgirls.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and a lot of the girls come through college
Speaker 3: cheering that that get into the team and they've got
Speaker 3: that experience.
Speaker 1: So you can.
Speaker 3: Almost see that because Faith was just such a stand
Speaker 3: out through the audition process and they decided obviously early
Speaker 3: on to follow her.
Speaker 1: She was going to be in the team.
Speaker 3: Like that was good for the brand of the show,
Speaker 3: that was good for the merch, that's good for the
Speaker 3: DCC brand to have stars. But they can't be too starry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also can't And this is a problem
Speaker 1: that a lot of reality shows have, right, It's that
Speaker 1: once you've done a couple of seasons of this and
Speaker 1: people can see, oh, I can get famous this way.
Speaker 1: So and I'm not saying this is absolutely what Faith did,
Speaker 1: but come on, FLEXI. Faith has five hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: on Instagram. She's like, this is going to be great
Speaker 1: for my career in many ways, whether I get in
Speaker 1: it or not. I mean, Texas looks like hard work,
Speaker 1: you know, being a professional cheerleader looks like hard work.
Speaker 1: But I get famous, I get to build my following,
Speaker 1: I get to do my thing. And Kelly and Judy
Speaker 1: are trying to sort of lift them up and push
Speaker 1: them down at the same time. Yeah, don't you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with the season where we saw Kelly and
Speaker 2: Judy getting feed back on their feedback and they were
Speaker 2: told to give more positive reinforcement, and like Judy will
Speaker 2: like talk into a phone and be like great kick
Speaker 2: looking good. That one's a bit flabby. I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and it was just so busy. Welcome
Speaker 2: to managing.
Speaker 1: Jensay exactly.
Speaker 3: You've got to let them talk about their feelings and
Speaker 3: you can't hurt their feelings.
Speaker 1: And how many times Kelly says with this like sort
Speaker 1: of sour tone in her voice, the one thing they've
Speaker 1: all told me is that they want more feedback. And
Speaker 1: then you give them feedback and they don't want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she's like yelling at someone and then
Speaker 2: at the end she's like, I love you, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is the right way. But what
Speaker 2: was interesting about this season is that in the addition process,
Speaker 2: they say that the auditions for this season happened after
Speaker 2: the first season went live, So they're not only getting
Speaker 2: girls who are like so passionate about joining DCC, but
Speaker 2: they're getting people who just want to be famous, who
Speaker 2: want to be on TV.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the first season of Maps everyone really did
Speaker 1: want to find I'm going to work out that it's
Speaker 1: a path to totally fat.
Speaker 3: I'm going to take you back even further. The one
Speaker 3: of the og reality shows, Big Brother, when Sarah Marie
Speaker 3: became famous with her bunny ears and her pajamas, and
Speaker 3: I was there and the Big Brother compound when she
Speaker 3: came out and there were thousands of young women dressed
Speaker 3: in pajama pants with bunnies, and she was so shocked
Speaker 3: because it was all just completely organic. In subsequent years, though,
Speaker 3: everyone went into the house, what's my bunny is?
Speaker 5: How am I going to merchandise that?
Speaker 3: So that beautiful innocence of the first season that we
Speaker 3: saw in DC, so have you've seen it? The first
Speaker 3: season of any reality show gets lost. And the second
Speaker 3: season I think was also boring, because you're right, the
Speaker 3: first season hadn't gone to air yet when the second
Speaker 3: season was filmed. So this is the first time the
Speaker 3: auditions have attracted people that have seen it as a
Speaker 3: vehicle to fame.
Speaker 1: But then I'm a bit cynical about it because the
Speaker 1: fact that Shelley slid into Faith DMS and invited her
Speaker 1: to audition. That was because she'd seen her on social media.
Speaker 1: They must be obviously, to get the brand, the show
Speaker 1: brand out further and further all the time, and the
Speaker 1: DCC brand will stop out further and further all the time.
Speaker 1: Recruiting girls who have followings and come from other countries
Speaker 1: and other markets is a very sound marketing strategy. So
Speaker 1: it's like they kind of say, we don't want you
Speaker 1: to get too popular, but they do, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they do because it gives you more reach.
Speaker 1: They've got people who turn up because they want to
Speaker 1: see them.
Speaker 3: This is what I mean about the competing interests of
Speaker 3: Kelly and Judy, who just want the girls under their
Speaker 3: thumb and to be able to control them. And there's
Speaker 3: been a lot of talk about how one of the
Speaker 3: ways they control them is by paying them very little,
Speaker 3: so they have to work other jobs. They don't have
Speaker 3: the opportunity to become too big for their boots, I
Speaker 3: guess because they're so tight. But now those other jobs
Speaker 3: can be influencing jobs. That's right, and you could see
Speaker 3: how uncomfortable. It's a whole other thing it's a level
Speaker 3: of fame. And I really do feel for Kelly and
Speaker 3: Judy too because it's a they've been doing this for
Speaker 3: so long and it's a whole other level of fame
Speaker 3: for them too. So it would be interesting to see
Speaker 3: what happens next season.
Speaker 1: It's funny because we're not funny. But on the No
Speaker 1: Filter interview, which I've listened to, Kate asks Faith what
Speaker 1: her other job is. Now we've all watched DCC, so
Speaker 1: we know that there are dental nurses, and there are messrs,
Speaker 1: and there are all these things, and she is like,
Speaker 1: I am a full time content creator and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that increasingly that is everybody's day job. And you can
Speaker 1: just imagine the meetings when they go into Kelly and
Speaker 1: go so like Reese's pieces would like me to be
Speaker 1: in La on Saturday for a shoot, and they'd just
Speaker 1: be like absolutely not like no way, Like it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to be able to coexist in a moment.
Speaker 3: Are you too old for a free toaster? And did
Speaker 3: you know that three thousand dollars prams existed? No?
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Speaker 1: show notes.
Speaker 3: Last week, the Internet decided that some people are too
Speaker 3: old for wedding gifts. Why I feel like I'm being
Speaker 3: attacked actually because the thinking goes like this, if you're
Speaker 3: over thirty, you've already got all that shit.
Speaker 5: Shut up and do you think that's a bit harsh?
Speaker 2: It is so harsh because he lives. We're still going
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 1: But surely you can have different kinds of gifts. It
Speaker 1: used to be here's a plate set, here's a toaster,
Speaker 1: and now you're just like, here's a holiday money. Everyone's
Speaker 1: just wishing. That's what I've heard, wishing wells of the
Speaker 1: new thing.
Speaker 3: Hey me, well this week there's the same energy, but
Speaker 3: a different registry.
Speaker 1: Now they're coming for the babies.
Speaker 3: A woman went viral on Reddit for saying that she
Speaker 3: won't buy off the baby registry for couples who wait.
Speaker 1: Too long to have kids.
Speaker 3: She gave an example she has forty year old friends
Speaker 3: with good jobs who had the audacity to put a
Speaker 3: three thousand dollar PRAM on their baby registry. And the
Speaker 3: counter example that she gave was a younger, presumably poorer
Speaker 3: couple who were paying for fertility treatment. And then in
Speaker 3: the comments, someone pointed out that you don't actually know
Speaker 3: anyone's fertility story and maybe this couple, you don't know
Speaker 3: their story the older couple, and she replied that she
Speaker 3: did in fact know the exact month her friend had
Speaker 3: her iud removed.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't it's just term. I have a.
Speaker 3: Question that this raised for me, apart from the fact,
Speaker 3: why is this woman friends with this woman?
Speaker 1: I think she needs to rethink her choices.
Speaker 3: But is a registry whether it's her, a wedding or
Speaker 3: a baby, is it a wish list or a means test?
Speaker 3: Is there an age where you like forfeit your right
Speaker 3: to be given things? And also, what's the going rate
Speaker 3: for a PRAM before it becomes obscene?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the pram. Look.
Speaker 2: I recently went to a baby shower and there was
Speaker 2: a registry, but everything on the registry was under fifty dollars,
Speaker 2: so he could choose something that was like fifteen dollars,
Speaker 2: ten dollars, twenty dollars, and I thought that was nice.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer a registry?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then with registries you can buy it online
Speaker 2: and then it gets sent straight to their house.
Speaker 1: That's helpful.
Speaker 3: Although I'm always late and all the good stuff and
Speaker 3: the real price stuff is gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're getting like nipple cream for two dollars.
Speaker 1: It's very helpful. It all depends. So I was thinking
Speaker 1: this is crazy, and then I remembered that I was
Speaker 1: this person. I was thirty eight when I had my
Speaker 1: first child. I was forty when I had my second child,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a registry. But for Matilda, we
Speaker 1: had like a It wasn't a baby shower, but it
Speaker 1: was like a little party for friends and stuff in
Speaker 1: the park to celebrate the baby. And my friend's all
Speaker 1: chipped in and got me a really fancy nappy bag. Now,
Speaker 1: could I, in theory, at thirty eight years old, with
Speaker 1: a good job I worked in magazines, afford my own
Speaker 1: nappy bag? Yes? Are there lots of expensive things to
Speaker 1: buy before you have a baby, yes? And did my
Speaker 1: friends want to give me something? Yes? So, like I think,
Speaker 1: it depends if you see a registry as a demand
Speaker 1: or not. You know, like if Taylor and Travis just
Speaker 1: got married and they said absolutely no gifts, there will
Speaker 1: be some people who got them gifts, no questions. Some
Speaker 1: people just want to. They just will whether you want
Speaker 1: them to or not. A registry if it's like you
Speaker 1: have to and if you don't, then that's one thing
Speaker 1: that I can understand. It gets people's backs up because
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't want to spend that kind of
Speaker 1: money and everything on there's too expensive. But if you
Speaker 1: choose to just see that as a suggestion and instead
Speaker 1: you go, I think you guys are doing fine. I'm
Speaker 1: just coming for the free drinks, then just do that,
Speaker 1: don't you think? No?
Speaker 2: Well, I think with like a baby shower and about
Speaker 2: the age thing again, I feel like you're right in
Speaker 2: a way where it does feel like the younger you are,
Speaker 2: the more you get. But I also think that's because
Speaker 2: of how many times you see you have attending a
Speaker 2: baby shower or a wedding during that period of time.
Speaker 2: Like in my family, I think about if I were
Speaker 2: to get married in my generation, there's about like forty
Speaker 2: of my cousins who are all the same age, I would.
Speaker 1: Going to be an expensive few years for your life.
Speaker 2: Well, I've already been to five weddings this year. I
Speaker 2: feel like I'll be one of the later ones to
Speaker 2: get married, and I can.
Speaker 1: Already see the fatigue.
Speaker 2: So I can already see everyone getting really excited for
Speaker 2: the first one, then the second one, the the third run,
Speaker 2: and then those first ones will start having babies, so
Speaker 2: then they won't be as excited for the next one,
Speaker 2: and then I can just feel like, when it's my turn,
Speaker 2: it will be like my mom, my dad, maybe my husband,
Speaker 2: no one else. I'm like, that's just how it goes.
Speaker 1: So you think that the people who are upset about
Speaker 1: the forty year old gift registries are just done with
Speaker 1: having them?
Speaker 2: Am I going to a baby shower now? Like you
Speaker 2: should have had it like ten years ago when I
Speaker 2: was in my baby shower moment.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's a couple of different things going on though,
Speaker 3: because one is legitimately wedding gifts were about helping the
Speaker 3: new couples start a home because they were both living
Speaker 3: at home with their parents and this was the first
Speaker 3: time they'd moved out and they were setting up their
Speaker 3: home together, so they didn't used to have a toaster,
Speaker 3: and they didn't used to have We had garbage bins
Speaker 3: on our waiting registry. I just remembered that, and we
Speaker 3: had been living out of home for a while. But
Speaker 3: it's different when you're having a baby, because I think
Speaker 3: that's legitimate. The point is, if you're thirty five or
Speaker 3: forty getting married, you've probably got a toaster already, and
Speaker 3: you've probably set up your house.
Speaker 1: Probably many times, whereas.
Speaker 3: The first time you have a baby, you don't just
Speaker 3: have a cot already, and you don't just have a
Speaker 3: nappy bag already. Although why does a nappy bag have
Speaker 3: to be any different to an actual, just normal.
Speaker 1: Bag, I don't know. More poc wipe down.
Speaker 3: But then the implied assumption that if you're older, you've
Speaker 3: got more money and you don't need anything. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess it comes down to what are we doing here
Speaker 3: getting gifts?
Speaker 2: But it goes both ways, because when you're young, if
Speaker 2: you're like if your argument is like, when you're young
Speaker 2: and getting married, you need help to build your home,
Speaker 2: But then the friends you're inviting to your wedding are
Speaker 2: also going to be young, and I'm like, can they
Speaker 2: afford to help build your home, whereas when you're older. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm older and I have money. I can probably buy
Speaker 2: a stroller. But you can buy me one too, because
Speaker 2: you're also older.
Speaker 1: That's the thing we're all upset about. The three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars pram. Yeah, now prams are really expensive. They are.
Speaker 1: Is that like the normal price? No, that's a fancy one, okay,
Speaker 1: but prams are everything's expensive now right now? Say you
Speaker 1: that's the prim you've got your heart set on, and
Speaker 1: in theory, could you afford it? Yes, But if all
Speaker 1: your friends chip in and get it for you, isn't
Speaker 1: that better? That's okay?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And that's it made me think that that's what we
Speaker 1: just did. Brent just had a big birthday. Right. Again,
Speaker 1: we're old people, we don't really need things. But the
Speaker 1: man has always wanted giant television. It's all he's ever wanted.
Speaker 1: And I was always like, I don't like those. They're
Speaker 1: not coming in my house. None of my money is
Speaker 1: going into buying that thing because I don't like it.
Speaker 1: And so when everyone was like, what do you want,
Speaker 1: He's like, I want vouchers towards my giant passive aggressive television.
Speaker 1: To upset Holly, I like that. And the thing is is,
Speaker 1: so the old man gets his.
Speaker 2: TV that he's always dreamed off, But that's different because
Speaker 2: he's asking for vouchers. So it's like whatever you think
Speaker 2: you want to give towards that. It's different to saying
Speaker 2: I want a pram. You four friends, give me this
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars pram. Because if I was another four
Speaker 2: friend and.
Speaker 1: How many friends there are, there might have been a
Speaker 1: hundred friends. They could have a chipped approach. It's a bargain.
Speaker 1: But then I have to like find strangers on with me.
Speaker 1: We think we should just age out of giving presents.
Speaker 3: I also think that in terms of what you put
Speaker 3: on your registries, people do judge.
Speaker 1: They're like a cheese knife, for they do kidding. It's
Speaker 1: a window into your world and into your values.
Speaker 3: I might say in terms of I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: very good at understanding gifts. It's not my love language.
Speaker 3: I don't ever want to receive them. I hate receiving gifts.
Speaker 2: I don't have ever used a bad cheese knife because
Speaker 2: they need to be good.
Speaker 1: Also, I hated the idea of a vigiant TV. Do
Speaker 1: you know how good it is? The Gant TV.
Speaker 3: It's use an opportunity to sub out the gaming chair
Speaker 3: that he brought.
Speaker 1: Into Dream during COVID its office chair.
Speaker 2: Firstly, I'm so excited to talk about this because the
Speaker 2: embargo has left.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's lifted. She's our family Vernon because
Speaker 1: she's an entertainment reporter Extraordinay, she gets to go to
Speaker 1: all the fancy things.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I went to see what has been labeled
Speaker 2: as the movie of the decade before it even came out,
Speaker 2: The Odyssey by Christopher Nolan. I watch it in the
Speaker 2: Imax in Sydney, which is where he wanted everyone to
Speaker 2: watch it because he's filmed it for Imax. It's also
Speaker 2: the first feature film to use an Imax camera throughout
Speaker 2: the whole film.
Speaker 1: I think maybe on the next gift registry Imax tickets.
Speaker 1: Ima costs a lot of money.
Speaker 5: Yes, you're gonna say, an Imax camera.
Speaker 2: The reason why it's so famous because it's about a famous,
Speaker 2: famous story that was so I've heard or a poem.
Speaker 1: I think it's a poem. It's not. It's two poems,
Speaker 1: and it's I didn't know a poem could be more
Speaker 1: than one page. Well, it's an epic poem that contains
Speaker 1: twelve one hundred and ten lines across twenty four books. Dick,
Speaker 1: It's a poem written across twenty four books. And the
Speaker 1: thing I particularly love about all the discourse around the
Speaker 1: Odyssey is everyone's like, so of course everybody's read it
Speaker 1: and knows what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, which is exactly what I've been telling everyone
Speaker 2: without myself what happens spoilers, Well, because I feel like
Speaker 2: I can get away with telling spoilers because you should.
Speaker 1: Know, I'd happen to have a clue. I think this
Speaker 1: is a very oldie worldy idea that everybody's read Homer.
Speaker 1: I was like the Bible. There was, in fact, our
Speaker 1: amazing colleague, Mama maa live She made it reel for
Speaker 1: Mamma Mia that she was like a cheat sheet. So
Speaker 1: getting you up to date with the Odyssey so you
Speaker 1: can pretend you know what it's about. Even that was
Speaker 1: too long and she missed the calf, the stuff in
Speaker 1: the song general. Okay, here we go quickly because I'll
Speaker 1: get bored, all right.
Speaker 2: So the Odyssey is about Matt Damon, who has he's
Speaker 2: a brain, just came back from.
Speaker 1: He has to leave.
Speaker 2: His wife Anne Hathaway and son Tom Holland to go
Speaker 2: to a ten year war.
Speaker 1: The Trojan War. That the Trojan Horse, The Trojan Horse.
Speaker 2: Helen of Troy so Lupita and Jongo plays Helen of
Speaker 2: Troy and her twin sister.
Speaker 1: So every A list celebrity besides is in it.
Speaker 5: Does someone fly too close to the sun?
Speaker 1: That's a phoenix? Who's a phoenix? Fly too close to
Speaker 1: the sun? And then there we're one of them? Pegasus.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's there's no Pegasus.
Speaker 2: Icarus is not in it, Paitis is in it, Poseidon's
Speaker 2: in it. A Cyclopsis in it, which is in it?
Speaker 2: A lot of people are in it. At every famous
Speaker 2: person in Hollywood is in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally everywhere. People who aren't in it are offended.
Speaker 1: It's a bit like Taylor and Travis's wedding. It's like
Speaker 1: Who's who in Hollywood? Tells you a lot about whether
Speaker 1: are you in then? And I'm not in the Days
Speaker 1: and It. She's in there for like five minutes. Charlie's
Speaker 1: Theiron's in it. I don't care, no you do. It's
Speaker 1: really good. It's just under three hours.
Speaker 3: To me.
Speaker 1: It's like being okay watching it.
Speaker 2: In the Imax and we only have one Imax in
Speaker 2: the Southern Hemisphere in Melbourne, so if people happened in Sydney, yeah,
Speaker 2: but ours is like they've changed us to make it
Speaker 2: a bit smaller.
Speaker 1: The original ones and.
Speaker 3: Billboard for this, and it was a big billboard and
Speaker 3: it was just a whole lot of people in like
Speaker 3: war masks. What are they called, like knights? Yeah, like helmets, helmets,
Speaker 3: but ones that cover your face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why pay for Matt Damon covering?
Speaker 3: I didn't even know those people were in it because
Speaker 3: it's just a whole lot of helmets and I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 2: Well, they take the helmet off. All I want to
Speaker 2: know is why so much fuss? Is it really good?
Speaker 2: It's really good. It's the all the fuss is from
Speaker 2: the A list class and as well as it being
Speaker 2: completely filmed on Imax film because they had to keep
Speaker 2: cutting every three minutes because the film is so old
Speaker 2: they have to keep replacing it.
Speaker 1: I thought the book was the other thing. I ha
Speaker 1: a poem. Actually he isn't like special effects.
Speaker 2: All the monsters are big puppets and they look very
Speaker 2: very gross and scary.
Speaker 3: It's not interesting how actors like to torture themselves a
Speaker 3: bit for their art.
Speaker 1: They like to suffer. Well, none suffering for them. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: they are. They are. Interviews with that Damon, he said,
Speaker 1: this was the most challenging thing he's ever done in
Speaker 1: his life because Christopher Nolan, So everybody says on Rest's Entertainment,
Speaker 1: they always say that Christopher Nolan has the name recognition
Speaker 1: of a director, Like people will go because it's a
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan movie. Now, not that many directors have that, right,
Speaker 1: but people do. What else has he directed? Oppenheimer Interception, Yeah,
Speaker 1: those ones. Yeah, he did one of the Dark and
Speaker 1: they did one of the Batman's. He did Dark Knight
Speaker 1: with his Ledger. Like, but he's such a big deal
Speaker 1: that if he calls you, you just go yes, like Spielberg. Yes.
Speaker 1: So if he calls you, you go yes, I'm in here.
Speaker 1: We go right, And he'll spend years making this and
Speaker 1: Matt I listened to an interview with Matt Damon and
Speaker 1: he was talking about how, you know, he had to
Speaker 1: be on the most intense diet and the most intense
Speaker 1: training and it was for two years basically like unbelievably
Speaker 1: difficult and He said that he's old enough now to
Speaker 1: understand that that's something that doesn't happen very often. So
Speaker 1: you just go with it and get into it, you know,
Speaker 1: like roll into it. But yeah, it sounds quite clear.
Speaker 1: With her diabetes, Claire with the diabetes, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You just have to suffer for a particular amount of time,
Speaker 3: and that's part of the procession. She was pregnant and
Speaker 3: then the baby came out, and the diabetes came out
Speaker 3: in the placenter, and now she can eat biscuits.
Speaker 1: Now she can eat macus. And she didn't get paid,
Speaker 1: however many millions of dollars math David did. But she
Speaker 1: did get Baby Darcy. So I'm glad we've gone down
Speaker 1: that road.
Speaker 2: We get Baby Darcy and this movie. After the break,
Speaker 2: we are sharing our weekly recommendations vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual,
Speaker 2: something fun.
Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2: It's Friday, and we want to help set up your
Speaker 2: weekend with our very best recommendations.
Speaker 1: Maya, do you want to go first?
Speaker 3: I am menopausal, which sounds like a strange way to
Speaker 3: introduce recos.
Speaker 1: But do we reply with the congratulations?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, because the part that comes before menopause. Menopause
Speaker 3: is when you are no longer in reverse puberty and
Speaker 3: your hormones aren't.
Speaker 1: On the rollercoat.
Speaker 3: The part that comes before is perimenopause, and that can
Speaker 3: go up to ten years, can start as early as
Speaker 3: in your late thirties. And it's a shit of a
Speaker 3: time because there are so many different things that happen
Speaker 3: and they all seem unrelated. There's skin changes, there's weight changes,
Speaker 3: there's mood changes, there's just everything you can imagine changes,
Speaker 3: and it's very hard. Why so many people don't realize
Speaker 3: what it actually is. They might just think that they
Speaker 3: need to get divorced, and maybe they do. They might
Speaker 3: think that they suddenly can't control their temperature or that
Speaker 3: their skins had a bad reaction to their skin product.
Speaker 3: But and the other thing is that it can be
Speaker 3: really hard to get all those different things. You can't
Speaker 3: go and see all those experts because that's like ten
Speaker 3: different specialists cost of fortune. Even if there are those
Speaker 3: specialists where you live. It's just really really hard and
Speaker 3: really confusing at a time when your brain fog and
Speaker 3: your emotions and your level of executive function is very
Speaker 3: very and as I said, it could go on for
Speaker 3: ten years.
Speaker 1: So what we did at Muma.
Speaker 3: Maya a few years ago and we've just brought it
Speaker 3: back this year in a new version is do a
Speaker 3: very Perry Summit. This year we've done it as an
Speaker 3: on demand so you can for fifty nine dollars buy
Speaker 3: a ticket and you can watch it immediately, and Holly
Speaker 3: is one of the hosts. There are all these different short,
Speaker 3: sharp sessions on all the different there's more than twenty
Speaker 3: on demand videos.
Speaker 1: It's ad free and.
Speaker 3: It brings together all the top perimenopause experts from Australia
Speaker 3: and all around the world, so of cologists and GPS
Speaker 3: and dietitians and psychologists, including our very own Ginny Mansburg.
Speaker 3: Amelia and Holly have done some of the interviews, so
Speaker 3: is Lee Campbell and Kath Mahoney from Unleashed. And look,
Speaker 3: there's no shortage of perimenopause information out there. It sometimes
Speaker 3: seems you can't open Instagram with some other bitch with
Speaker 3: a fan through the fan that might be me banging
Speaker 3: on about how they feel. But what we wanted to
Speaker 3: do was to just get the experts and just get
Speaker 3: the actual advice.
Speaker 1: It's completely self paced.
Speaker 3: You get six months of full access from the day
Speaker 3: you sign up, but it is only going to be
Speaker 3: available for fifty nine dollars for a really really short time,
Speaker 3: and then it grows up to ninety nine dollars.
Speaker 1: Now's the time. It's so interesting me because when we
Speaker 1: first did the Very Prairie Summit, which was very much
Speaker 1: your idea and your baby several years ago, everybody wasn't
Speaker 1: talking about Perry and in that time, as you say now.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that and that was so
Speaker 1: groundbreaking and information heavy, but things change really quickly, and
Speaker 1: so this is like a complete update. So it's all
Speaker 1: those issues from weight to sleep. I did the sleep
Speaker 1: on It changed my life. From weight to sleep. I
Speaker 1: did the sleep interview, and I found out about first sleep,
Speaker 1: second sleep, and it's changed my world. It's a bit
Speaker 1: like first Breakfast, Second Breakfast.
Speaker 3: I after doing the last I was in it when
Speaker 3: I did the the last Summer that we did a
Speaker 3: few years ago. I went on HRT after that because
Speaker 3: of what I learned, and so there's a lot of information.
Speaker 3: A lot of women have questions about hirt. We're not
Speaker 3: advocating any particular source of treatment, but we're just explaining
Speaker 3: all the options and why all of this is happening
Speaker 3: with actual experts.
Speaker 1: It's so really up to date.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you think about how much it will
Speaker 3: cost just to see one specialist, you've got access to
Speaker 3: more than twenty. So if you go to verypery dot
Speaker 3: com dot au, we'll put a link in the show notes.
Speaker 3: And if you've got someone a little bit hot in
Speaker 3: your life, tell her about it.
Speaker 1: I was a good praisi, bit of a passag prazie,
Speaker 1: but still yeah.
Speaker 2: Can I go next? I'm recommending a product. It is
Speaker 2: a hair product. It's an oil that is nine dollars
Speaker 2: from Big w or you can buy it online from
Speaker 2: Monday hair Care.
Speaker 1: Oh I love hair oil. Do you like it? Because
Speaker 1: I've got lots of hair on you guys.
Speaker 5: Okay, I've now joined the long hair brigade.
Speaker 2: So I'm not a hair person. I've talked about this before,
Speaker 2: so I like products. I make it as easy as possible. Recently,
Speaker 2: something that I've decided to quite quit is blow drying
Speaker 2: my hair because my arms get too tired. Okay, but
Speaker 2: I want my hair to dry because I don't want
Speaker 2: to get a head cold.
Speaker 1: Because it's winter and it's very, very cold. I agree.
Speaker 5: I do like a bit of air drying, but not
Speaker 5: in winter.
Speaker 2: So I towel dry it and then I put in
Speaker 2: this oil and it makes it dry much quicker, especially
Speaker 2: if you're washing your hair at nighttime.
Speaker 5: I brush it through. How much do you put in?
Speaker 1: I put in probably like a five cents piece.
Speaker 5: Sounds greasy though.
Speaker 1: Not in your roots.
Speaker 2: You put it in like this part of down, so
Speaker 2: you don't know what would say?
Speaker 1: Ears down? Yeah, ears down?
Speaker 2: And then I put my hair in a bun or
Speaker 2: braids and sleep on it. And I wake up and
Speaker 2: it's dry, and it's also silky and soft, and it's
Speaker 2: no split end, and it's no frizze.
Speaker 5: The frizze is something that's appar Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do have to talk about some feedback I got
Speaker 2: from my last product recommendation, because this one is kind
Speaker 2: of similar. The last product I recommended was a hair
Speaker 2: missed and I got some feedback by Too Lovely.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: They're saying they didn't like the scent of it. So
Speaker 2: if you don't like sugary sweet scent, which is what
Speaker 2: this one is, you might not like it. But the
Speaker 2: thing is is like when your hair dries, the scent
Speaker 2: doesn't like it's not as concentrated as in its oil form.
Speaker 1: Hair just smells.
Speaker 5: Smell yeah, Oh it smells lovely.
Speaker 1: Like light strawberries. I use it. I use hair oil
Speaker 1: not when I'm washing my hair. Maybe I should, but
Speaker 1: like when I'm so light today, I just put some
Speaker 1: in before I came in. Oh, you can do that
Speaker 1: to make it shiny hair cap yet, no, we don't
Speaker 1: do We don't do that. What about the hair towels
Speaker 1: that I I love that, yeah, and loving my head?
Speaker 2: Those are great hair hair towels because they have their
Speaker 2: microfiber so they dry really quickly.
Speaker 5: Those Juny towels grain really good.
Speaker 3: Female founded business their microfiber, they're really good.
Speaker 1: I got a.
Speaker 5: Funny video of all of us. We I have to
Speaker 5: locate that in my fire.
Speaker 1: I love the hair towels. You have introduced me to
Speaker 1: the very concept of hair towels in the first place,
Speaker 1: that you can wrap the round but it's not heavy
Speaker 1: like a big bad I was always breaking my neck
Speaker 1: with big fast towels on my head until you taught
Speaker 1: me about this. I believe you don't have the right heir, gadget.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I lived with without you. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you have? I have a recommendation that is
Speaker 1: in memory of the great man we lost this week,
Speaker 1: Sam Neil. Now we mentioned this on Tuesday's show because
Speaker 1: he's obviously really famous for lots of really big movies
Speaker 1: like your favorite Jurassic part Yes, but my family loves
Speaker 1: Sam Neil for Hunt for the Wilder People, which Mia
Speaker 1: mentioned is one of her favorites. To love that field.
Speaker 1: That movie is like cry, laugh out loud. It is
Speaker 1: so good. It is Taikawa t at his absolute best. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of Kiwis. My partner is a
Speaker 1: Kiwi and I've always had a soft spot for Kiwi men.
Speaker 1: A fun fact, he is my third long term Kiwi boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, three out of but he he is.
Speaker 1: I look, Kiwi men are great and Sam Neil is
Speaker 1: a good illustration of why even though originally he's Irish,
Speaker 1: but he moved to New Zealand. Seven like no nonsense,
Speaker 1: kind like funny, sort of just good dudes, right, And
Speaker 1: this is one of the most Kiwi movies ever. Taikawa
Speaker 1: tit It is absolute finest.
Speaker 5: Why is it so good?
Speaker 1: I love it too? It's where comfort watch well on
Speaker 1: the suit. It hits the sweet spot, which is my
Speaker 1: favorite kind of film, which is where sentimental meets humor.
Speaker 1: So it's not so sentimental that it's like a vomity,
Speaker 1: but it's very heartwarming, and I think that's what Taikwa
Speaker 1: t does really well when he's on his when he's
Speaker 1: on form. So it is about as as we mentioned,
Speaker 1: it's about this boy he's called Ricky Baker, who became
Speaker 1: like an icon in New Zealand. By the way. He's
Speaker 1: played by this this young lad called Julian Dennison, Ricky
Speaker 1: Baker who's this kind of wrong and from the city,
Speaker 1: who gets a teenager who gets sent to live with
Speaker 1: this old couple in the bush, and then the woman
Speaker 1: unexpectedly dies and he and Sam Neil's character, Heck, go
Speaker 1: on the run. And it is so funny and so
Speaker 1: quirky and has so many really interesting side characters in it.
Speaker 1: But it's a great family movie, and it's still if
Speaker 1: it's the end of school holidays and you're just like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Watch for the Wilder People. It's
Speaker 1: on Prime you can obviously rent it, but it's also
Speaker 1: on Prime Video if you subscribe to that, and it
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent worth it, and it will remind
Speaker 1: us all of what great work that man did. That
Speaker 1: is all we have time for today. Out Louder is Oh,
Speaker 1: actually it isn't, because there is a little treat, a
Speaker 1: little out Louder book Club giveaway. Tell us about that,
Speaker 1: So we have a little giveaway.
Speaker 2: What we did was we got together and we listed
Speaker 2: two of our all time favorite books and mea your
Speaker 2: favorite books, hold yours the twins Amelia's mine, and we
Speaker 2: put it together to give a really big twelve book
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Speaker 2: a mom and mea subscriber, you don't need to worry.
Speaker 2: You're already in the running to win this. But if
Speaker 2: you want all of our favorite books, now's your time.
Speaker 1: Traits, I don't want to join any spoilers, but Prince
Speaker 1: Harry Spare might be in it. I wonder who recommended
Speaker 1: that chose that one like honestly, so hit the link
Speaker 1: in the show notes. If you're not Anna, you'll be
Speaker 1: in with a chance of winning. Bye. That has all
Speaker 1: we've got time for out loud as it really is
Speaker 1: now we will be back in your ears on Monday.
Speaker 1: We went great weekends. Bama Mea acknowledges the traditional owners
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