1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,704 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from MoMA Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,744 --> 00:00:29,584 Speaker 1: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,664 --> 00:00:30,904 Speaker 1: Brodnick and I'm a man. 7 00:00:31,224 --> 00:00:31,864 Speaker 3: Happy Friday. 8 00:00:31,944 --> 00:00:34,544 Speaker 1: Happy Friday to you. So because it's Friday, we have 9 00:00:34,664 --> 00:00:36,704 Speaker 1: weekend watch today, which is good because I have been 10 00:00:36,744 --> 00:00:39,104 Speaker 1: waiting I want to say, about twenty years to recommend 11 00:00:39,104 --> 00:00:40,984 Speaker 1: this new movie that I'm going to chat about today. 12 00:00:41,344 --> 00:00:45,264 Speaker 1: Plus it's our brutally honest review of the new Netflix 13 00:00:45,304 --> 00:00:47,904 Speaker 1: show that everyone has been talking about, for Good or 14 00:00:47,944 --> 00:00:50,224 Speaker 1: for Bad, The Perfect Couple. So we're going to get 15 00:00:50,264 --> 00:00:54,704 Speaker 1: into that. But first, did you know, Laura Ronick. 16 00:00:54,544 --> 00:00:57,704 Speaker 3: That we celebrated our five year anniversary this week? 17 00:00:58,064 --> 00:01:00,544 Speaker 1: I did not know that, actually that you and me. Yeah, 18 00:01:00,624 --> 00:01:03,304 Speaker 1: you and I personally and not in a podcast, no 19 00:01:03,344 --> 00:01:05,984 Speaker 1: relation to each other, just knowing. That's so cute and 20 00:01:06,024 --> 00:01:07,664 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I didn't get you anything. 21 00:01:07,784 --> 00:01:11,104 Speaker 3: So I remember this was like I think when The 22 00:01:11,144 --> 00:01:14,864 Speaker 3: Spill first started with you and Key hosting, and I 23 00:01:14,984 --> 00:01:17,144 Speaker 3: came on to do like a little social segment because 24 00:01:17,144 --> 00:01:18,904 Speaker 3: I used to be in the social media team, and 25 00:01:18,944 --> 00:01:21,304 Speaker 3: I would bring in like stuff that was trending on socials. 26 00:01:21,304 --> 00:01:22,824 Speaker 3: It was really a very interesting time. 27 00:01:23,624 --> 00:01:25,504 Speaker 1: We were trying some newing, We're trying. 28 00:01:25,424 --> 00:01:27,824 Speaker 3: New things, We're trying to find our groove. And I 29 00:01:27,864 --> 00:01:30,384 Speaker 3: remember talking about a movie that I was really excited 30 00:01:30,384 --> 00:01:32,464 Speaker 3: to see. It was called Good Boys. It was like 31 00:01:32,504 --> 00:01:35,984 Speaker 3: one of those like Seth Rogan produced movies, really funny, 32 00:01:36,064 --> 00:01:38,704 Speaker 3: like crazy comedy, really really funny, and I was like, 33 00:01:38,784 --> 00:01:40,424 Speaker 3: oh my god, I want me and my mom saw 34 00:01:40,464 --> 00:01:42,504 Speaker 3: the trailer and we were like dying, we want to 35 00:01:42,504 --> 00:01:45,264 Speaker 3: see it so badly, and like this was like when 36 00:01:45,304 --> 00:01:46,864 Speaker 3: I just met you. So I was just like kind 37 00:01:46,864 --> 00:01:49,224 Speaker 3: of bantering before we started recording. And then like a 38 00:01:49,224 --> 00:01:52,224 Speaker 3: few days later, I remember you slacked me and you 39 00:01:52,264 --> 00:01:54,104 Speaker 3: were like hey, I remember you said you really want 40 00:01:54,104 --> 00:01:55,784 Speaker 3: to see this movie? Do you want two tickets? And 41 00:01:55,824 --> 00:01:59,304 Speaker 3: I was like what, Yeah, I was like yes, And 42 00:01:59,344 --> 00:02:00,824 Speaker 3: then we got the two tickets and we went and 43 00:02:00,824 --> 00:02:04,024 Speaker 3: it was like a full like early screening of this movie. 44 00:02:04,344 --> 00:02:06,104 Speaker 3: And the only reason I remember this is because my 45 00:02:06,184 --> 00:02:08,264 Speaker 3: mum made a Facebook status and we got like the 46 00:02:08,464 --> 00:02:10,664 Speaker 3: like ping when it's like remember this, yeah, and she 47 00:02:10,784 --> 00:02:14,224 Speaker 3: said premiere event thank you Emily Vernon for a fun 48 00:02:14,304 --> 00:02:17,264 Speaker 3: midweek treat. And it's like two of us standing. God, 49 00:02:17,464 --> 00:02:20,064 Speaker 3: you're on the right carpet. I'm going to post this 50 00:02:20,184 --> 00:02:23,824 Speaker 3: on our Instagram. Please do that looks so funny because like, 51 00:02:24,384 --> 00:02:26,824 Speaker 3: we go to a lot of events and premiers now, 52 00:02:27,344 --> 00:02:30,104 Speaker 3: and because we're there for work, we rarely like step 53 00:02:30,144 --> 00:02:31,864 Speaker 3: in front of the media wall and take up. 54 00:02:32,224 --> 00:02:32,584 Speaker 1: We don't do that. 55 00:02:32,624 --> 00:02:34,944 Speaker 3: Well, we're doing this again. I'm sorry, but this brought 56 00:02:34,984 --> 00:02:36,944 Speaker 3: back so many memories with me. My mum's so excited 57 00:02:36,944 --> 00:02:38,624 Speaker 3: to stand in front of the media wall and get 58 00:02:38,624 --> 00:02:39,104 Speaker 3: a photo. 59 00:02:39,264 --> 00:02:41,344 Speaker 1: It's so funny because I have no memory of giving 60 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:42,984 Speaker 1: you those tickets. But look, I will just say I 61 00:02:43,024 --> 00:02:44,784 Speaker 1: have a lot of faults. I have so many folds. 62 00:02:44,784 --> 00:02:46,464 Speaker 1: But one thing I always try and do is if 63 00:02:46,504 --> 00:02:48,864 Speaker 1: anyone mentions that they really want to see a movie, 64 00:02:48,864 --> 00:02:50,864 Speaker 1: I will try and get them tickets. Because you don't. 65 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:52,904 Speaker 3: Remember it as well, Yeah, you have a little like 66 00:02:52,904 --> 00:02:55,264 Speaker 3: mental thing. I'm just like, oh, that's nice. 67 00:02:55,024 --> 00:02:56,744 Speaker 1: That's so cut. Is that really the first time we 68 00:02:56,784 --> 00:02:58,384 Speaker 1: met just before I gave you those tickets? 69 00:02:58,464 --> 00:03:00,504 Speaker 3: It was the week, but we had actually met a 70 00:03:00,504 --> 00:03:01,584 Speaker 3: few days before that. 71 00:03:02,624 --> 00:03:04,904 Speaker 1: This is actually burnt into my brain forever. 72 00:03:04,904 --> 00:03:07,064 Speaker 3: Okay, do you preface this. I was like twenty one, 73 00:03:07,144 --> 00:03:08,624 Speaker 3: twenty two, Yeah, don't judge her. 74 00:03:08,664 --> 00:03:09,784 Speaker 1: We've all done this guys. 75 00:03:09,784 --> 00:03:13,384 Speaker 3: Okay, it was years ago. I was dating a guy 76 00:03:13,944 --> 00:03:15,824 Speaker 3: who I went on like a few dates with him, 77 00:03:15,864 --> 00:03:17,344 Speaker 3: and immediately I was like, I'm in love with this. 78 00:03:17,264 --> 00:03:18,864 Speaker 1: Man, like, I'm going to marry it. It happened. 79 00:03:18,904 --> 00:03:20,424 Speaker 3: This is not a dating podcast, but we're getting a 80 00:03:20,464 --> 00:03:22,544 Speaker 3: dating sorry. I was like, I'm gonna marry him. And 81 00:03:22,584 --> 00:03:26,144 Speaker 3: then he did the trick of the like slow ghost Well, 82 00:03:26,184 --> 00:03:28,464 Speaker 3: you know how someone's not into you, but you only 83 00:03:28,504 --> 00:03:30,224 Speaker 3: realize this after you've dated for a long time. This 84 00:03:30,304 --> 00:03:31,664 Speaker 3: was like my first try at dating. 85 00:03:31,704 --> 00:03:33,504 Speaker 1: So you were like, maybe he's just busy, maybe he 86 00:03:33,544 --> 00:03:34,624 Speaker 1: lost his phone. 87 00:03:34,424 --> 00:03:37,464 Speaker 3: And maybe he's dead. He was doing a slow ghosting 88 00:03:37,464 --> 00:03:39,784 Speaker 3: tactic where like I would message him a lot and 89 00:03:39,784 --> 00:03:42,824 Speaker 3: then he would like one word reply every like three 90 00:03:42,904 --> 00:03:45,144 Speaker 3: to four hours. And then I was like, oh, I 91 00:03:45,184 --> 00:03:46,944 Speaker 3: need to get him to talk to me. He's probably 92 00:03:46,944 --> 00:03:49,744 Speaker 3: just really busy and distracted. So I remember he had 93 00:03:49,744 --> 00:03:51,624 Speaker 3: like a bookshelf and he told me. 94 00:03:51,544 --> 00:03:52,904 Speaker 1: That he was in one of his photos. 95 00:03:53,064 --> 00:03:54,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, in one of his photos, And I remember when 96 00:03:54,824 --> 00:03:56,144 Speaker 3: I went to his house. I was like, oh, you 97 00:03:56,224 --> 00:03:57,784 Speaker 3: read and he's like, yeah, I read a lot. And 98 00:03:57,824 --> 00:04:00,184 Speaker 3: I was like, what are you reading recently? And he's like, oh, 99 00:04:00,224 --> 00:04:04,184 Speaker 3: this new book by Tran Dulton called Boy Swallows Universe. 100 00:04:04,504 --> 00:04:07,184 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, sounds interesting. And then I 101 00:04:07,224 --> 00:04:08,624 Speaker 3: had that in my head. So when he was slow 102 00:04:08,624 --> 00:04:10,784 Speaker 3: ghosting me, I was like, Okay, I know. I was 103 00:04:10,824 --> 00:04:12,624 Speaker 3: just asking my question about the book, and then he'll 104 00:04:12,624 --> 00:04:15,184 Speaker 3: reply and I don't know why, but I said, Hey, 105 00:04:15,384 --> 00:04:18,064 Speaker 3: just read Boy Swallow's Universe. Great book. And then he 106 00:04:18,104 --> 00:04:20,624 Speaker 3: immediately replied and said, oh, what did you think? What 107 00:04:20,664 --> 00:04:23,024 Speaker 3: did you like about it? I panicked, but did I 108 00:04:23,024 --> 00:04:24,144 Speaker 3: did tell them what I did. 109 00:04:23,984 --> 00:04:26,784 Speaker 1: Because listener, she had not read the book, she hadn't 110 00:04:26,784 --> 00:04:28,784 Speaker 1: even googled what it was about. And all of a sudden, 111 00:04:28,824 --> 00:04:30,904 Speaker 1: this boy, who at this time you thought was your 112 00:04:30,904 --> 00:04:33,624 Speaker 1: future husband was asking you questions and it was make 113 00:04:33,744 --> 00:04:35,704 Speaker 1: or break. So at this stage of the game, I 114 00:04:35,744 --> 00:04:38,064 Speaker 1: hadn't met Emily or the new social girl, as she 115 00:04:38,184 --> 00:04:40,024 Speaker 1: was in my head. I'd seen you across the office. 116 00:04:40,184 --> 00:04:42,704 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the new Social Girl, Emily comes 117 00:04:43,064 --> 00:04:46,384 Speaker 1: running through the office to me and some of the 118 00:04:46,384 --> 00:04:47,944 Speaker 1: other editors, and she looked at me in the eye 119 00:04:47,944 --> 00:04:50,984 Speaker 1: and she goes, have you read Boy Swallow's universe? And 120 00:04:51,064 --> 00:04:52,744 Speaker 1: I didn't know you at the time, and it was 121 00:04:52,824 --> 00:04:55,784 Speaker 1: very dramatic, but I recognized an emergency situation when I 122 00:04:55,824 --> 00:04:57,904 Speaker 1: see one, and I said, yes, I have, and you're like, 123 00:04:58,264 --> 00:05:00,144 Speaker 1: you help your phone. I just lied to a boy 124 00:05:00,424 --> 00:05:02,624 Speaker 1: that I've read it, and he's asking me questions and 125 00:05:02,664 --> 00:05:04,944 Speaker 1: I need to know the answers. And I think this 126 00:05:04,984 --> 00:05:06,224 Speaker 1: is something that you can always do in the ma 127 00:05:06,304 --> 00:05:09,144 Speaker 1: mir office. Is that no one judged you, no one 128 00:05:09,144 --> 00:05:12,064 Speaker 1: asked any questions. We just all all went into project mode. 129 00:05:12,304 --> 00:05:14,264 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you about the characters plot twist, and 130 00:05:14,304 --> 00:05:16,144 Speaker 1: I'm like, and this moment means this and this is 131 00:05:16,184 --> 00:05:18,904 Speaker 1: really brought from his real life and this scene is like, 132 00:05:18,944 --> 00:05:20,944 Speaker 1: you know, leading into this and this is what I 133 00:05:20,944 --> 00:05:22,744 Speaker 1: thought about. The ending so dramatic. 134 00:05:22,824 --> 00:05:25,424 Speaker 3: I remember so specifically because it was such an open office. Yeah, 135 00:05:25,424 --> 00:05:28,144 Speaker 3: and it was you and Jesse Stevens helping you in 136 00:05:28,184 --> 00:05:30,504 Speaker 3: form this message. And I remember because everything was glass 137 00:05:30,544 --> 00:05:33,024 Speaker 3: as well, and MEA's office was right outside, and Mia 138 00:05:33,064 --> 00:05:35,104 Speaker 3: and Holly were in MEA's office and they were kind 139 00:05:35,104 --> 00:05:37,184 Speaker 3: of looking at us thinking like something breaking news. 140 00:05:37,624 --> 00:05:39,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, these women are screaming each other across the desk, 141 00:05:39,744 --> 00:05:41,584 Speaker 1: and it was just because as a group, we were 142 00:05:41,624 --> 00:05:43,704 Speaker 1: replying to this boy and giving him all of our 143 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:45,904 Speaker 1: thoughts on the book, and you were coming across. I'm 144 00:05:45,904 --> 00:05:49,224 Speaker 1: just gonna say, so smart, so cultured. You didn't just 145 00:05:49,264 --> 00:05:51,544 Speaker 1: read the book. You understood the book. Have you read 146 00:05:51,584 --> 00:05:53,704 Speaker 1: that book yet? Of course I read that book. Okay, great, 147 00:05:53,904 --> 00:05:54,544 Speaker 1: I'm a Jentalist. 148 00:05:54,824 --> 00:05:57,224 Speaker 3: Later but then I remember I said this beautiful message 149 00:05:57,264 --> 00:05:59,304 Speaker 3: that was made by like five women, all of us, 150 00:05:59,744 --> 00:06:02,464 Speaker 3: And then he replied the next day saying that's nice. 151 00:06:02,704 --> 00:06:06,184 Speaker 1: I know. Okay, but look the guy didn't started our 152 00:06:06,224 --> 00:06:07,944 Speaker 1: friendship so exactly. 153 00:06:08,024 --> 00:06:10,864 Speaker 3: That is when something you win a lot more lost. 154 00:06:10,664 --> 00:06:12,344 Speaker 1: The boy, but you gained me as a friend. And 155 00:06:12,424 --> 00:06:14,744 Speaker 1: all these years later, we don't want to podcast together. 156 00:06:21,264 --> 00:06:24,824 Speaker 1: We've all been under a considerable amount of stress. 157 00:06:27,104 --> 00:06:35,144 Speaker 2: Because of the accident. It's such a shock and we're 158 00:06:35,184 --> 00:06:41,104 Speaker 2: all very upset. Somebody dig and somebody who's guilty. 159 00:06:42,264 --> 00:06:46,024 Speaker 1: Rear Winber. She makes anyone who spends time at the 160 00:06:46,064 --> 00:06:47,704 Speaker 1: house sign an Nda. 161 00:06:49,384 --> 00:06:50,544 Speaker 3: Tag Lbery. 162 00:06:51,664 --> 00:07:00,944 Speaker 2: Still Benji, he's hard to read, and will Thomas in Yes, 163 00:07:01,784 --> 00:07:04,024 Speaker 2: I take pills from everyone. Is that a crime? 164 00:07:04,544 --> 00:07:07,344 Speaker 1: Yes? And now we come to something that I have 165 00:07:07,424 --> 00:07:09,944 Speaker 1: been excited about for weeks, and that is out brutally 166 00:07:09,984 --> 00:07:13,584 Speaker 1: honest review of the new very watched, very discussed Netflix 167 00:07:13,584 --> 00:07:16,544 Speaker 1: series The Perfect Couple. So just to note, we are 168 00:07:16,624 --> 00:07:19,544 Speaker 1: going to get into some spoilers for both the book 169 00:07:19,624 --> 00:07:22,304 Speaker 1: and the TV show. They are wildly different, but they 170 00:07:22,344 --> 00:07:24,264 Speaker 1: are spoilers. But that's going to be the end of 171 00:07:24,264 --> 00:07:25,864 Speaker 1: this segment, and we'll give you a little bit of warning. 172 00:07:25,904 --> 00:07:28,424 Speaker 1: So for some reason you haven't watched it yet, you 173 00:07:28,464 --> 00:07:30,264 Speaker 1: can skip past that, and if you go to the 174 00:07:30,264 --> 00:07:32,864 Speaker 1: show notes, it'll tell you what time in this episode. 175 00:07:32,904 --> 00:07:34,784 Speaker 1: You can jump back in if you still want to 176 00:07:34,784 --> 00:07:36,704 Speaker 1: listen till weekend. Watch. So that is the built in 177 00:07:36,704 --> 00:07:39,104 Speaker 1: safety net for spoilers that we have here. But I feel, 178 00:07:39,184 --> 00:07:41,544 Speaker 1: judging by the fact this has been the most watched 179 00:07:41,584 --> 00:07:43,984 Speaker 1: Netflix show for well over a week, I'm assuming most 180 00:07:44,024 --> 00:07:46,744 Speaker 1: people have watched it. So The Perfect Couple. The new 181 00:07:46,784 --> 00:07:50,064 Speaker 1: Netflix series is based on the twenty eighteen novel of 182 00:07:50,104 --> 00:07:53,904 Speaker 1: the same name by Ellen Hildebrand, and it premiered last 183 00:07:53,904 --> 00:07:55,904 Speaker 1: week on Netflix. A bit of an all star cast. 184 00:07:56,064 --> 00:07:58,264 Speaker 3: Oh my god, the cast is amazing. You did it 185 00:07:58,304 --> 00:08:01,104 Speaker 3: as your weekend watch last week, Yes, and then I 186 00:08:01,224 --> 00:08:03,384 Speaker 3: watched it in a day because I do my homework. Yes, 187 00:08:03,464 --> 00:08:05,304 Speaker 3: and immediately I messaged you and I was like, we 188 00:08:05,344 --> 00:08:07,784 Speaker 3: need to do really honestly, Yes, I have some thoughts. 189 00:08:07,904 --> 00:08:10,264 Speaker 1: It was interesting just how Netflix kind of did the 190 00:08:10,424 --> 00:08:12,864 Speaker 1: roll out for this. They dropped it all in one god, 191 00:08:12,984 --> 00:08:15,464 Speaker 1: and I think they knew that, not that it wasn't strong, 192 00:08:15,544 --> 00:08:17,544 Speaker 1: but I don't think it had enough to sustain week 193 00:08:17,584 --> 00:08:19,184 Speaker 1: by week if you're watching it, like that's what I 194 00:08:19,184 --> 00:08:20,384 Speaker 1: said in my review, I'm like, you have to sit 195 00:08:20,424 --> 00:08:22,064 Speaker 1: down and watch us in one go, like you'll want to, 196 00:08:22,424 --> 00:08:24,104 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't want to sit down and watch one 197 00:08:24,144 --> 00:08:27,784 Speaker 1: episode in a row. And interestingly, because Netflix give us 198 00:08:27,784 --> 00:08:31,144 Speaker 1: the screeners before things come out, and usually, like with 199 00:08:31,304 --> 00:08:33,264 Speaker 1: Emily in Paris this week, they gave me all of 200 00:08:33,264 --> 00:08:35,024 Speaker 1: the screeners for the second part so I could watch 201 00:08:35,024 --> 00:08:36,864 Speaker 1: them all and they do that usually for Bridgitt and 202 00:08:36,904 --> 00:08:39,384 Speaker 1: things like that, but for The Perfect Couple, they only 203 00:08:39,384 --> 00:08:43,464 Speaker 1: gave reviewers one episode and refused to give anything else 204 00:08:43,544 --> 00:08:45,984 Speaker 1: after that, So there was a lot of protection around it, 205 00:08:46,064 --> 00:08:48,744 Speaker 1: and especially interesting for something that is based on a book, 206 00:08:48,784 --> 00:08:51,464 Speaker 1: so we could have kind of known the characters regardless 207 00:08:51,504 --> 00:08:53,864 Speaker 1: of that. That's interesting. So we've got Nicole Kidman, We've 208 00:08:53,864 --> 00:08:57,584 Speaker 1: got Liev Schreiber. Interestingly, Nicole Kidman and Naomi Watts have 209 00:08:57,704 --> 00:09:01,064 Speaker 1: been very very close friends since their early twenties. Leev 210 00:09:01,064 --> 00:09:03,744 Speaker 1: Schreiber was married to Naomi Watts. They have children together. 211 00:09:03,824 --> 00:09:06,784 Speaker 1: Theyn our step divorced, and Nicole was talking about the 212 00:09:06,824 --> 00:09:08,864 Speaker 1: fact that she like hunted him down for this role. 213 00:09:08,904 --> 00:09:10,624 Speaker 3: Okay, can I talk about this issue that to have 214 00:09:10,824 --> 00:09:14,664 Speaker 3: with Nicole Kidman's character. Her name is Greer. She can 215 00:09:14,784 --> 00:09:17,544 Speaker 3: only say in an American accent. Yes, like when you 216 00:09:17,544 --> 00:09:20,144 Speaker 3: say in Australia, I'm like, Grea, Grea, Grea? 217 00:09:20,624 --> 00:09:22,024 Speaker 1: Is that how you say it? Sorry to any Greer's 218 00:09:22,024 --> 00:09:24,384 Speaker 1: out there who listened to this podcast, but I started. 219 00:09:24,024 --> 00:09:26,584 Speaker 3: In an American accent, Greer, just like it's hard to 220 00:09:26,624 --> 00:09:27,224 Speaker 3: do it, Grea. 221 00:09:27,264 --> 00:09:30,224 Speaker 1: Carson Winbrey. Yeah, Nicole Kimmit's in her element here after 222 00:09:30,264 --> 00:09:34,024 Speaker 1: doing the undoing Nine Perfect Strangers, Big Little Liar seasons 223 00:09:34,064 --> 00:09:36,384 Speaker 1: one and two, that this is a woman who is 224 00:09:36,424 --> 00:09:38,224 Speaker 1: at her best when she's in some sort of a 225 00:09:38,304 --> 00:09:41,144 Speaker 1: murder mystery and she's wearing fancy clothes and a very 226 00:09:41,144 --> 00:09:43,544 Speaker 1: interesting wig. She's a mother with a secret, Yes, a 227 00:09:43,584 --> 00:09:45,824 Speaker 1: mother with a secret that is her bread and butter, 228 00:09:45,904 --> 00:09:48,104 Speaker 1: and she does it so well. People think that she's 229 00:09:48,104 --> 00:09:51,424 Speaker 1: a bit overdone in this the accent is questionable, but 230 00:09:51,464 --> 00:09:52,184 Speaker 1: I actually think. 231 00:09:52,064 --> 00:09:54,584 Speaker 3: That, Okay, I have Yeah, I didn't know you didn't 232 00:09:54,624 --> 00:09:55,984 Speaker 3: like it, So this might be a tiny bit of 233 00:09:55,984 --> 00:09:58,704 Speaker 3: a spoiler, Like I think it's like towards the end 234 00:09:58,824 --> 00:10:01,904 Speaker 3: of the series, like maybe the last middle episodes. But 235 00:10:02,144 --> 00:10:06,264 Speaker 3: I didn't know what nationality she was until they introduced 236 00:10:06,264 --> 00:10:06,664 Speaker 3: her brother. 237 00:10:06,944 --> 00:10:10,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, I still was unsure because she's a bit British, 238 00:10:10,584 --> 00:10:13,104 Speaker 1: a bit American, and sometimes a little bit Australian. 239 00:10:13,144 --> 00:10:15,784 Speaker 3: It's a little bit Australian that they just ignore. 240 00:10:15,904 --> 00:10:17,584 Speaker 1: She's acting like she's in a soap opera. But I 241 00:10:17,584 --> 00:10:19,744 Speaker 1: actually feel like it almost called for it in this 242 00:10:19,864 --> 00:10:21,864 Speaker 1: state of mind, so I think that's fine. Then she 243 00:10:21,944 --> 00:10:24,184 Speaker 1: pulled leev In to play her husband. I guess I've 244 00:10:24,184 --> 00:10:25,824 Speaker 1: known ege other so long she wanted him, and they 245 00:10:25,864 --> 00:10:29,144 Speaker 1: had like like quite you know, they interesting the couple. Yeah, 246 00:10:29,424 --> 00:10:32,464 Speaker 1: they actually look perfect together. And then Eve Hughston, who 247 00:10:32,464 --> 00:10:34,144 Speaker 1: a lot of people know from Bad Sisters, who I 248 00:10:34,144 --> 00:10:37,024 Speaker 1: think is really the breakout star from this playing Amelia. 249 00:10:37,104 --> 00:10:38,664 Speaker 3: I know her from behind her eyes. 250 00:10:38,984 --> 00:10:41,704 Speaker 1: Yes, she's really great in that too. Also Bono's daughter, 251 00:10:41,744 --> 00:10:43,984 Speaker 1: We love a little Nepo baby in the mix Baby. 252 00:10:44,184 --> 00:10:46,544 Speaker 1: And then I think Megan Fahe is great in this 253 00:10:46,704 --> 00:10:48,544 Speaker 1: as Merit and this was kind of one of her 254 00:10:48,584 --> 00:10:50,984 Speaker 1: bigger roles that she started filming after she was really 255 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:53,584 Speaker 1: the breakout star in White Loatus season two. 256 00:10:53,624 --> 00:10:55,984 Speaker 3: It's very similar to her characters. 257 00:10:55,424 --> 00:10:57,424 Speaker 1: Very I mean, I think she's a great actress, but 258 00:10:57,464 --> 00:10:59,584 Speaker 1: she does play a particular kind of. 259 00:10:59,704 --> 00:11:00,704 Speaker 3: Rich adjacent girl. 260 00:11:00,984 --> 00:11:04,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, but also Sutton in The Bold Type and then 261 00:11:04,384 --> 00:11:07,704 Speaker 1: Daphne in White Lotus and now Merit in The Perfect Couple. Like, 262 00:11:07,704 --> 00:11:10,144 Speaker 1: they're all different characters and she makes them different enough, 263 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:13,864 Speaker 1: but they all have a slight like popular girl life 264 00:11:13,864 --> 00:11:15,744 Speaker 1: of the party, but also with a little bit of 265 00:11:15,784 --> 00:11:16,984 Speaker 1: a you know, it can have a bit of a 266 00:11:16,984 --> 00:11:19,064 Speaker 1: harder gold but you know what I mean, it's a 267 00:11:19,184 --> 00:11:22,424 Speaker 1: very similar character. And I think her personality. I've only 268 00:11:22,464 --> 00:11:24,264 Speaker 1: ever talked to her like over a screen last time 269 00:11:24,304 --> 00:11:26,304 Speaker 1: she's on the Spill, but she just has that personality 270 00:11:26,304 --> 00:11:28,424 Speaker 1: of being like the girl at the party everyone's drawn to. 271 00:11:28,624 --> 00:11:30,064 Speaker 3: Would you say she's typecasted. 272 00:11:30,544 --> 00:11:32,544 Speaker 1: I mean potentially. I know she's got a feeding projects 273 00:11:32,584 --> 00:11:33,984 Speaker 1: coming up. I'd love to see her in a character 274 00:11:33,984 --> 00:11:36,464 Speaker 1: who's not the popular life of the party girl and 275 00:11:36,504 --> 00:11:38,464 Speaker 1: see what she does with it. And then I think 276 00:11:38,504 --> 00:11:40,944 Speaker 1: the other interesting person to call out is Dakota Fanning 277 00:11:40,984 --> 00:11:44,784 Speaker 1: is Abby Winbree, someone I wasn't quite soul on it first, 278 00:11:44,824 --> 00:11:46,544 Speaker 1: but I think as the series went on she did 279 00:11:46,544 --> 00:11:48,584 Speaker 1: some interesting things. But we'll get more into that later. 280 00:11:49,024 --> 00:11:51,264 Speaker 1: I think the other person everyone's quite in love with 281 00:11:51,304 --> 00:11:53,464 Speaker 1: out of this the breakout start is Ishin Kata, who 282 00:11:53,464 --> 00:11:55,824 Speaker 1: plays a shoot at Evolved a hot man. 283 00:11:56,544 --> 00:11:58,024 Speaker 3: Can I say someone else's really hot? 284 00:11:58,104 --> 00:11:58,424 Speaker 1: Yeah? Her? 285 00:11:58,464 --> 00:12:01,664 Speaker 3: Don't think anyone else thinks is really hot? Who Jack 286 00:12:01,784 --> 00:12:02,824 Speaker 3: Rayner who plays. 287 00:12:02,584 --> 00:12:06,544 Speaker 1: Tom what the older brother Emily? No, Okay, I want 288 00:12:06,584 --> 00:12:06,824 Speaker 1: to see. 289 00:12:06,944 --> 00:12:09,584 Speaker 3: While watching that and while knowing that it's problematic for 290 00:12:09,624 --> 00:12:12,144 Speaker 3: me to find him at attractive, I immediately was like, and 291 00:12:12,184 --> 00:12:14,544 Speaker 3: this is why I have so much issues in my 292 00:12:14,584 --> 00:12:15,104 Speaker 3: dating life. 293 00:12:15,144 --> 00:12:19,664 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, this is really upsetting information because there's sometimes 294 00:12:19,664 --> 00:12:22,064 Speaker 1: when you say you're attracted to a character, I find 295 00:12:22,064 --> 00:12:24,104 Speaker 1: it strange, but I get it, Like Penny Wise, like 296 00:12:24,144 --> 00:12:26,384 Speaker 1: he's got the killer. 297 00:12:26,224 --> 00:12:28,744 Speaker 3: Clown that being attracted to Thomas is more problematic than 298 00:12:28,744 --> 00:12:29,424 Speaker 3: being attracted to. 299 00:12:29,664 --> 00:12:32,024 Speaker 1: Sorry, I think that Thomas. The character of Thomas is 300 00:12:32,064 --> 00:12:34,904 Speaker 1: worse as an inept, rich white man who is just 301 00:12:35,144 --> 00:12:37,744 Speaker 1: dangerous in a different way to a killer clown. I 302 00:12:37,744 --> 00:12:39,704 Speaker 1: think it was a great performance from Jack Rayner, and 303 00:12:39,744 --> 00:12:42,024 Speaker 1: by the last episode I was like, at first I 304 00:12:42,064 --> 00:12:43,904 Speaker 1: thought the women would standout. I guess they all had 305 00:12:43,904 --> 00:12:45,944 Speaker 1: the bigger roles, but I think it's towards the end 306 00:12:46,584 --> 00:12:49,864 Speaker 1: he is just the most annoying character that I've ever 307 00:12:49,944 --> 00:12:53,544 Speaker 1: seen in a TV series. But that's sometimes very hard 308 00:12:53,584 --> 00:12:56,944 Speaker 1: to do because he's always playing that character like he's 309 00:12:56,984 --> 00:12:59,424 Speaker 1: the victim who should be the hero. You know, he's 310 00:12:59,464 --> 00:13:01,824 Speaker 1: not playing him as an annoying guy. He's playing him 311 00:13:01,824 --> 00:13:04,144 Speaker 1: as a guy who thinks he's doing the most and 312 00:13:04,184 --> 00:13:07,424 Speaker 1: he's the best. And that's quite an interesting choice. But 313 00:13:07,504 --> 00:13:10,744 Speaker 1: he's not attractive. He was the worst. I'd rather be 314 00:13:10,864 --> 00:13:15,224 Speaker 1: with cheating, old, creepy dog lea of Schreiber's character than him, I. 315 00:13:15,184 --> 00:13:18,664 Speaker 3: Think, I think luck Okay, so let me preface this 316 00:13:18,824 --> 00:13:20,744 Speaker 3: by saying I was attracted to him because he's just 317 00:13:20,784 --> 00:13:21,504 Speaker 3: a hot person. 318 00:13:21,944 --> 00:13:24,024 Speaker 1: But no, again, no, he is hot. 319 00:13:24,064 --> 00:13:27,224 Speaker 3: He is hot. But I think the issue that I 320 00:13:27,424 --> 00:13:31,424 Speaker 3: had with his character arc was everyone knows a guy 321 00:13:31,544 --> 00:13:34,024 Speaker 3: exactly like that. Yeah, and I think it makes you 322 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:36,824 Speaker 3: feel so icky on how well he played that to reality. 323 00:13:37,064 --> 00:13:40,384 Speaker 1: That's I'm saying, the most realistic depiction of a wealthy 324 00:13:40,424 --> 00:13:43,224 Speaker 1: white man who thinks he's the victim. And that's why 325 00:13:43,224 --> 00:13:45,224 Speaker 1: it was so terrifying. Yeah, like if you sent it 326 00:13:45,264 --> 00:13:47,584 Speaker 1: on him, it was just a horror story. Something else 327 00:13:47,664 --> 00:13:49,184 Speaker 1: that's made a lot of news around this is the 328 00:13:49,224 --> 00:13:50,464 Speaker 1: title sequence with the dance. 329 00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:53,424 Speaker 3: This is what I had an issue with because there's 330 00:13:53,424 --> 00:13:55,864 Speaker 3: this dance sequence and when I say dance sequence, I 331 00:13:55,864 --> 00:14:00,144 Speaker 3: mean it's choreographed. Yeah, it happens to a Megan Trainer song. Yes, 332 00:14:00,344 --> 00:14:02,464 Speaker 3: in the first episode you see them actually doing the 333 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:05,744 Speaker 3: dance at the actual party, like it's embedded into the party. 334 00:14:06,024 --> 00:14:09,664 Speaker 3: But then every episode after that, it's like the opening credits, 335 00:14:09,784 --> 00:14:13,504 Speaker 3: like they're all just doing this dance together, knowing all 336 00:14:13,504 --> 00:14:16,984 Speaker 3: the steps together, and they look like they're having fun. 337 00:14:17,024 --> 00:14:20,064 Speaker 3: But then you zoom in on each individual face, which 338 00:14:20,144 --> 00:14:22,304 Speaker 3: they do in the opening sequence, and a lot of 339 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:24,944 Speaker 3: them look like they're not sure if they should be there. 340 00:14:25,664 --> 00:14:27,944 Speaker 1: Yes, this is interesting because it came out when they 341 00:14:27,944 --> 00:14:30,784 Speaker 1: were doing the press tour that the dance was something 342 00:14:30,824 --> 00:14:33,384 Speaker 1: that was added in later, and apparently they all, yeah, 343 00:14:33,424 --> 00:14:35,064 Speaker 1: so it wasn't something when they initially did, like the 344 00:14:35,104 --> 00:14:37,904 Speaker 1: first table reading, they planned it out, knew that dance 345 00:14:37,944 --> 00:14:39,104 Speaker 1: is going to happen. It was going to be the 346 00:14:39,184 --> 00:14:41,904 Speaker 1: title sequence, and then they got told while they were 347 00:14:41,904 --> 00:14:44,544 Speaker 1: filming the wedding scenes, and apparently on the press tour 348 00:14:44,544 --> 00:14:46,664 Speaker 1: they were saying they all lost their minds. People were 349 00:14:46,664 --> 00:14:49,064 Speaker 1: calling their agents. They didn't want to do it. Nicole 350 00:14:49,104 --> 00:14:50,864 Speaker 1: Kimmen said that she pushed against it, and she's an 351 00:14:50,864 --> 00:14:52,704 Speaker 1: executive producer and even she couldn't. 352 00:14:52,384 --> 00:14:56,464 Speaker 3: St ferends to what the actual shows see. 353 00:14:56,504 --> 00:14:58,184 Speaker 1: I don't know if it is so. I think the 354 00:14:58,224 --> 00:15:00,824 Speaker 1: only reason Nicole Kimmen said yes to it eventually, she said, 355 00:15:00,864 --> 00:15:02,704 Speaker 1: is that she did the dance as Grea, so she's like, 356 00:15:02,704 --> 00:15:04,464 Speaker 1: I hope you can see that I'm dancing as Grea, 357 00:15:04,544 --> 00:15:07,984 Speaker 1: not Nicole. And then apparently Eve Houston was the only 358 00:15:08,024 --> 00:15:10,024 Speaker 1: one who wanted to do it, so that's why she's 359 00:15:10,064 --> 00:15:13,344 Speaker 1: kind of front and center dancing. Meghan Faihi hated it. 360 00:15:13,784 --> 00:15:15,384 Speaker 1: I think it does set the tone for the show 361 00:15:15,384 --> 00:15:17,904 Speaker 1: because I think from the outset, this looks like a 362 00:15:17,944 --> 00:15:20,904 Speaker 1: prestigious drama. It's got this huge all star cast, it's 363 00:15:20,944 --> 00:15:23,424 Speaker 1: based on a best selling book. It feels like something 364 00:15:23,424 --> 00:15:25,264 Speaker 1: that should be in the mix up with like a 365 00:15:25,304 --> 00:15:27,344 Speaker 1: big Little Lives or the undoing those shows that were 366 00:15:27,384 --> 00:15:31,504 Speaker 1: seen as these really high brow shows, and this show 367 00:15:31,624 --> 00:15:34,304 Speaker 1: is not that. This is a soap opera, Like it's 368 00:15:34,504 --> 00:15:36,944 Speaker 1: easy to watch, binging soap opera that just happens to 369 00:15:36,984 --> 00:15:38,904 Speaker 1: have a lot of money in all star casts behind it. 370 00:15:39,264 --> 00:15:41,384 Speaker 1: And it's a show that, like from the outset, looks 371 00:15:41,384 --> 00:15:43,864 Speaker 1: like it's going to say something really interesting about privilege 372 00:15:43,864 --> 00:15:47,264 Speaker 1: and class and expectation, but it doesn't do really anything 373 00:15:47,264 --> 00:15:49,784 Speaker 1: about that. It's like, yeah, rich people are insufferable and 374 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:51,664 Speaker 1: they get away with stuff, and here they are, and 375 00:15:51,704 --> 00:15:54,304 Speaker 1: they'll come out on top, really except for one person 376 00:15:54,584 --> 00:15:56,544 Speaker 1: come out on top no matter what. And so I 377 00:15:56,544 --> 00:15:58,744 Speaker 1: think maybe the dance sequence is kind of like you're 378 00:15:58,784 --> 00:16:00,824 Speaker 1: gonna be in this weird world, and here's a little 379 00:16:00,824 --> 00:16:06,024 Speaker 1: intro to it. We do have to get ahead of things. 380 00:16:06,184 --> 00:16:14,744 Speaker 1: I'm gonna killer. I din't I see that coming. These 381 00:16:14,784 --> 00:16:19,464 Speaker 1: people are used to getting whatever they want the minute 382 00:16:19,464 --> 00:16:21,424 Speaker 1: they feel they're losing control. 383 00:16:21,544 --> 00:16:22,704 Speaker 2: They burn it all down. 384 00:16:22,944 --> 00:16:27,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, even the best of us get very tired. 385 00:16:28,064 --> 00:16:31,144 Speaker 2: All this too overwhelming. They snap. 386 00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:34,064 Speaker 3: So I need to talk about the ending of the 387 00:16:34,224 --> 00:16:37,344 Speaker 3: entire series that last episode, because, as you said, it's 388 00:16:37,344 --> 00:16:41,104 Speaker 3: based off a book, but I've read that the book 389 00:16:41,504 --> 00:16:45,024 Speaker 3: has a slightly different ending to the series. 390 00:16:45,344 --> 00:16:48,344 Speaker 1: I think it's quite a wildly different ending. So one 391 00:16:48,344 --> 00:16:51,104 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about this is that when it came out, 392 00:16:51,104 --> 00:16:52,704 Speaker 1: so I haven't read the book either, even though I've 393 00:16:52,744 --> 00:16:54,784 Speaker 1: heard like amazing things about this writer's work, like it's 394 00:16:54,864 --> 00:16:57,144 Speaker 1: the ultimate beach read in terms of like you just 395 00:16:57,144 --> 00:16:58,944 Speaker 1: want to get to the end. And I was really 396 00:16:58,944 --> 00:17:01,064 Speaker 1: careful not to see these spoilers because I thought the 397 00:17:01,104 --> 00:17:03,504 Speaker 1: most interesting thing about the show is finding out what 398 00:17:03,504 --> 00:17:05,624 Speaker 1: the mystery was, and if you know what the mystery is, 399 00:17:05,624 --> 00:17:07,424 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of point watching it, is what 400 00:17:07,464 --> 00:17:09,584 Speaker 1: I was telling people. But then I found out that 401 00:17:09,624 --> 00:17:13,664 Speaker 1: the producers and writers had deliberately changed the ending, you know, 402 00:17:13,704 --> 00:17:16,504 Speaker 1: they changed aspects of it just so that even people 403 00:17:16,544 --> 00:17:18,664 Speaker 1: who had read the book would still be thrown off 404 00:17:18,744 --> 00:17:20,504 Speaker 1: course and not know what was going to happen. Yeah, 405 00:17:20,744 --> 00:17:21,664 Speaker 1: which is interesting. 406 00:17:21,744 --> 00:17:23,664 Speaker 3: So I feel like if I read the book and 407 00:17:23,664 --> 00:17:26,224 Speaker 3: then watch this, I'd be completely shocked. 408 00:17:26,464 --> 00:17:29,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So again spoiler territory. Just look in the 409 00:17:29,464 --> 00:17:31,304 Speaker 1: show notes and skip to weekend watch if you don't 410 00:17:31,304 --> 00:17:34,224 Speaker 1: want to know this. But the first episode ends with 411 00:17:34,504 --> 00:17:38,224 Speaker 1: Merritt Monaco Irap Migaveahi floating in the ocean, and then 412 00:17:38,264 --> 00:17:39,704 Speaker 1: the rest of the series are trying to find out 413 00:17:39,744 --> 00:17:42,304 Speaker 1: who kills her, and there's you know, a lot of 414 00:17:42,304 --> 00:17:44,904 Speaker 1: different suspects and at first you think it's like, definitely 415 00:17:45,224 --> 00:17:47,384 Speaker 1: the mum, but then you think it's the dad because 416 00:17:47,504 --> 00:17:49,664 Speaker 1: you know she's pregnant child and they've been having an affair. 417 00:17:49,744 --> 00:17:52,784 Speaker 1: Then you start thinking is it one of the brothers? Brothers? 418 00:17:53,144 --> 00:17:56,144 Speaker 1: And especially because the information comes out like it's not 419 00:17:56,184 --> 00:17:59,224 Speaker 1: the most well done mystery. Again, maybe the book has 420 00:17:59,304 --> 00:18:02,584 Speaker 1: better pacing and better ways of kind of presenting the I. 421 00:18:02,624 --> 00:18:05,704 Speaker 3: Think it was more obvious than other mystery shows that 422 00:18:05,744 --> 00:18:06,504 Speaker 3: we were right. 423 00:18:06,784 --> 00:18:09,424 Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting because once you look back and you 424 00:18:09,424 --> 00:18:11,184 Speaker 1: find out who the killery is, there are a few clues. 425 00:18:11,184 --> 00:18:13,064 Speaker 1: But I do think I was at the hours episode, 426 00:18:13,064 --> 00:18:14,944 Speaker 1: I was like, it could be anyone at this stage 427 00:18:14,944 --> 00:18:17,184 Speaker 1: of the game. And so what we find out is 428 00:18:17,184 --> 00:18:22,544 Speaker 1: that because she is pregnant with tag Winbury's child. The 429 00:18:22,824 --> 00:18:26,384 Speaker 1: trust fund that the three sons are looking to inherit 430 00:18:26,464 --> 00:18:29,384 Speaker 1: when the youngest son turns eighteen, is then going to 431 00:18:29,544 --> 00:18:32,104 Speaker 1: reset and they'll have to split the money four ways 432 00:18:32,104 --> 00:18:33,944 Speaker 1: and they have to wait another eighteen years. So when 433 00:18:33,944 --> 00:18:36,784 Speaker 1: that comes out, you think, obviously someone from the family 434 00:18:37,424 --> 00:18:40,064 Speaker 1: is responsible for it. So in both the book and 435 00:18:40,104 --> 00:18:43,584 Speaker 1: the TV series, the killer is decoded Fanning's character Abby, 436 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:46,744 Speaker 1: but in the book it's an accidental killing because in 437 00:18:46,784 --> 00:18:50,864 Speaker 1: the book she slips a drug into her name's Isabelle 438 00:18:50,864 --> 00:18:53,064 Speaker 1: and the series but her name's Featherington in the book. 439 00:18:53,104 --> 00:18:55,984 Speaker 1: I think the family Franny they changed her name because. 440 00:18:55,744 --> 00:18:57,544 Speaker 3: Her name's Isabelle in real life as well. 441 00:18:57,704 --> 00:19:00,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that could be potentially why they they did that. 442 00:19:00,544 --> 00:19:02,944 Speaker 1: And so she puts the drug in her drink, thinking 443 00:19:02,984 --> 00:19:04,864 Speaker 1: that it'll just kind of knock her out and then 444 00:19:04,944 --> 00:19:06,984 Speaker 1: she won't have sex with her husband that night, but 445 00:19:07,064 --> 00:19:09,784 Speaker 1: instead Merrit drinks the drink, goes for a swim and 446 00:19:09,824 --> 00:19:13,024 Speaker 1: then drown, So it's accidental. I actually think the way 447 00:19:13,064 --> 00:19:14,744 Speaker 1: they do it in the series is quite a big 448 00:19:14,784 --> 00:19:19,144 Speaker 1: swing because Abby deliberately puts the drug in Merit's strength, 449 00:19:19,224 --> 00:19:20,944 Speaker 1: goes out sweetly gives it to her, and there's like, 450 00:19:20,984 --> 00:19:23,584 Speaker 1: let's go for a swim, And then I thought, oh, 451 00:19:23,624 --> 00:19:26,464 Speaker 1: she's just gonna watch her slowly drown. This is a 452 00:19:26,464 --> 00:19:28,504 Speaker 1: big swing because not only does she drug her, but 453 00:19:28,544 --> 00:19:32,504 Speaker 1: she holds her down, This pregnant, little blonde woman holds 454 00:19:32,544 --> 00:19:35,384 Speaker 1: her down while she's thrashing for ages and crying, and 455 00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:39,744 Speaker 1: you can see she's screaming underwater and murders her in 456 00:19:39,904 --> 00:19:44,984 Speaker 1: cold calculated blood. That's very different from accidentally putting a 457 00:19:45,024 --> 00:19:46,744 Speaker 1: pill in someone's drink and being like, shit, I didn't 458 00:19:46,744 --> 00:19:47,384 Speaker 1: mean to kill her. 459 00:19:47,504 --> 00:19:50,664 Speaker 3: It is actually insane, But I liked it because it 460 00:19:50,824 --> 00:19:54,784 Speaker 3: just shows how badly Dakota Fanning character Abby wanted that 461 00:19:54,864 --> 00:19:57,024 Speaker 3: trust fund. Yeah, and she's like, I'm not waiting, like 462 00:19:57,064 --> 00:19:59,304 Speaker 3: I'm pregnant now, like my child needs this strength. 463 00:19:59,344 --> 00:20:00,944 Speaker 1: She in one of that apartment and she knew her 464 00:20:00,984 --> 00:20:03,784 Speaker 1: husband was the useless your lover. She knew he was 465 00:20:03,824 --> 00:20:05,744 Speaker 1: a useless person and he wasn't going to do anything, 466 00:20:05,744 --> 00:20:07,144 Speaker 1: and she couldn't really for him on money. 467 00:20:07,184 --> 00:20:10,264 Speaker 3: So the only issue that I feel like I missed 468 00:20:10,424 --> 00:20:12,064 Speaker 3: out on that I really wanted to see in the 469 00:20:12,104 --> 00:20:15,104 Speaker 3: series was in the book the only person who knows 470 00:20:15,144 --> 00:20:18,544 Speaker 3: that Abby was the killer of Merit was Greer. Yeah, 471 00:20:18,584 --> 00:20:21,064 Speaker 3: and I think Nicole Kimmen would have acted that out 472 00:20:21,184 --> 00:20:21,904 Speaker 3: so well. 473 00:20:22,344 --> 00:20:24,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an interesting choice because when the police 474 00:20:24,664 --> 00:20:27,744 Speaker 1: come to arrest Abby and we as the audience, realize 475 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:31,584 Speaker 1: it's her, you see this split second realization come over 476 00:20:31,624 --> 00:20:33,904 Speaker 1: Grea's face as the police are walking out, She's like, 477 00:20:33,944 --> 00:20:35,624 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's Abby, which I think was a 478 00:20:35,624 --> 00:20:37,584 Speaker 1: great moment of acting from Nicole Kimmen because it's just 479 00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:40,984 Speaker 1: a slight moment and it conveys so much emotion. But 480 00:20:41,224 --> 00:20:42,784 Speaker 1: before that, you like, she could have acted like she 481 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:44,784 Speaker 1: knew all along, but it was very much like she 482 00:20:44,944 --> 00:20:47,424 Speaker 1: was finding out with the audience. Yeah. And then did 483 00:20:47,464 --> 00:20:49,704 Speaker 1: you think it was a satisfying ending? Though? No? 484 00:20:50,224 --> 00:20:54,944 Speaker 3: I sorry, sorry no, I you know why, Like I 485 00:20:54,984 --> 00:20:58,864 Speaker 3: only blame because I love watching mystery dramatization and the 486 00:20:58,944 --> 00:21:02,664 Speaker 3: crime series. And just before watching The Perfect Couple, I 487 00:21:02,744 --> 00:21:06,144 Speaker 3: watched the entire series of True Detective Right, that's done 488 00:21:06,264 --> 00:21:09,064 Speaker 3: so well, Like I mean, this season that's top so 489 00:21:09,064 --> 00:21:11,384 Speaker 3: so well. And I think when you watch something like 490 00:21:11,464 --> 00:21:14,904 Speaker 3: that and then straight away watch another like crime series 491 00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:17,504 Speaker 3: that's done in a different way, you can see the 492 00:21:17,544 --> 00:21:18,424 Speaker 3: stark difference. 493 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:21,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because I don't think they sort of 494 00:21:21,544 --> 00:21:25,544 Speaker 1: set out to make a slightly forgettable Netflix series. When 495 00:21:25,584 --> 00:21:28,344 Speaker 1: you look at how much people love this book and 496 00:21:28,424 --> 00:21:30,784 Speaker 1: just the names and the cast. That's the thing. No 497 00:21:30,824 --> 00:21:33,504 Speaker 1: one thinks they're making a bad TV show movie. Like 498 00:21:33,624 --> 00:21:35,664 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the time people think they're making 499 00:21:35,704 --> 00:21:38,264 Speaker 1: something great and then sometimes it just doesn't land. And 500 00:21:38,304 --> 00:21:39,944 Speaker 1: I guess like it kind of did what it was 501 00:21:39,944 --> 00:21:41,544 Speaker 1: supposed to do if you're looking at it from that 502 00:21:41,824 --> 00:21:44,304 Speaker 1: point of view, that like, do they just make a 503 00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:46,504 Speaker 1: show that they wanted everyone to binge in one day 504 00:21:46,544 --> 00:21:48,664 Speaker 1: and then after this week maybe we'll forget about it. 505 00:21:48,944 --> 00:21:51,024 Speaker 1: But again, when you look at the cast and people 506 00:21:51,024 --> 00:21:52,984 Speaker 1: behind it and stuff, it doesn't feel like that's what 507 00:21:52,984 --> 00:21:53,384 Speaker 1: they meant. 508 00:21:53,624 --> 00:21:55,864 Speaker 3: No, And you know what it reminded me of did 509 00:21:55,904 --> 00:21:58,744 Speaker 3: you ever watch Little Fires Everywhere? Yes, it reminded me 510 00:21:58,824 --> 00:22:00,664 Speaker 3: of like that feeling I had watching that, like so 511 00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:03,704 Speaker 3: into it while it was happening. Yeah, and like you said, 512 00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:06,104 Speaker 3: disappointed at the end and then completely forgotten about. 513 00:22:06,184 --> 00:22:08,104 Speaker 1: That's interesting because I guess that was a similar thing. 514 00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:11,064 Speaker 1: So it's rees with a spoon. Kerry Washington and Joshua Jackson. 515 00:22:11,144 --> 00:22:13,944 Speaker 1: So Top Tier cast ten out of ten based on 516 00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:17,024 Speaker 1: a best selling book all building to a big mystery. 517 00:22:17,384 --> 00:22:19,384 Speaker 1: I think that was slightly better done than this one 518 00:22:19,424 --> 00:22:22,864 Speaker 1: though in terms of like just the performances. But yeah, 519 00:22:23,024 --> 00:22:25,304 Speaker 1: an interesting turn of events, but I guess it goes 520 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,424 Speaker 1: to show that, like, you know, people just also love 521 00:22:27,984 --> 00:22:31,584 Speaker 1: rich people behaving badly because it's such escapism for us, 522 00:22:31,584 --> 00:22:34,104 Speaker 1: and that's why white loaders are so well exactly, well, 523 00:22:34,104 --> 00:22:35,544 Speaker 1: that's the thing. A lot of people are comparing it 524 00:22:35,584 --> 00:22:37,544 Speaker 1: to White Loatus, and I agreed with some of their points, 525 00:22:37,584 --> 00:22:39,344 Speaker 1: and I didn't agree with some of their points. One 526 00:22:39,464 --> 00:22:40,944 Speaker 1: is that everyone was saying it was such a rip 527 00:22:40,944 --> 00:22:43,664 Speaker 1: of White Loatus, which I think is slightly harder because 528 00:22:43,704 --> 00:22:46,144 Speaker 1: the book came out first. But maybe they also know 529 00:22:46,224 --> 00:22:48,344 Speaker 1: that people just they want to murder mystery about rich 530 00:22:48,384 --> 00:22:50,864 Speaker 1: people with me and fakey in it, which don't feel 531 00:22:50,944 --> 00:22:53,664 Speaker 1: bad I have. Yeah, But yeah, overall, I think like 532 00:22:53,784 --> 00:22:57,024 Speaker 1: an interesting binge watch, but something that will be forgotten 533 00:22:57,064 --> 00:23:01,264 Speaker 1: quite quickly. 534 00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:06,784 Speaker 3: The weekend watch It is weekend watch time where we 535 00:23:06,944 --> 00:23:09,504 Speaker 3: recommend you movies and TV shows that we love for 536 00:23:09,584 --> 00:23:12,064 Speaker 3: you to watch this weekend. Can I go first? 537 00:23:12,104 --> 00:23:12,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, you go first. 538 00:23:12,864 --> 00:23:16,624 Speaker 3: Okay. So there's this documentary out on Disney Plus. It's 539 00:23:16,664 --> 00:23:18,624 Speaker 3: called in Vogue. 540 00:23:18,504 --> 00:23:19,664 Speaker 1: And I'm sold already. 541 00:23:19,784 --> 00:23:22,904 Speaker 3: I think it's like part of like a documentary after 542 00:23:22,984 --> 00:23:26,024 Speaker 3: another documentary called in Vogue that was released in twenty twelve. 543 00:23:26,064 --> 00:23:27,944 Speaker 3: But this one's a recent one and it looks like 544 00:23:28,064 --> 00:23:32,624 Speaker 3: Vogue like in the nineties. It has so many famous 545 00:23:32,664 --> 00:23:34,904 Speaker 3: people in this documentary, it's kind of like a movie. 546 00:23:34,984 --> 00:23:37,584 Speaker 3: It's about one hour thirty minutes. If you're not a 547 00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:41,784 Speaker 3: fan of documentaries, I wouldn't probably recommend it to you. 548 00:23:41,824 --> 00:23:43,824 Speaker 3: But if you are a fan, regardless, if you're a 549 00:23:43,864 --> 00:23:46,424 Speaker 3: fan of fashion, this one is actually one that you 550 00:23:46,424 --> 00:23:47,384 Speaker 3: need to have on your list. 551 00:23:47,744 --> 00:23:52,104 Speaker 1: What's the defining publication about fashion? The Vogue? Vogue Bolt 552 00:23:55,344 --> 00:23:57,384 Speaker 1: in the nineties, everything was changing. 553 00:23:57,544 --> 00:24:01,704 Speaker 2: It's a world ways to message, a crazy, amazing, astonishing time. 554 00:24:02,104 --> 00:24:05,024 Speaker 3: The nineties, terms of fashion industry upside. 555 00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:10,264 Speaker 1: Down, much magic in there. It's time for a different era, 556 00:24:10,504 --> 00:24:11,464 Speaker 1: a fashion. 557 00:24:11,224 --> 00:24:15,824 Speaker 2: Of sexuality, of identity, of freedom. 558 00:24:15,864 --> 00:24:19,264 Speaker 3: So there's a documentary that they interview all these Vogue 559 00:24:19,344 --> 00:24:22,424 Speaker 3: editors talking about what Vogue was like in the nineties. 560 00:24:22,464 --> 00:24:26,784 Speaker 3: They go through like some incredibly like famous celebrity photos 561 00:24:26,784 --> 00:24:29,104 Speaker 3: and they dissect them and what happened behind the scenes 562 00:24:29,104 --> 00:24:31,144 Speaker 3: at Vogue. I'm going to read you out a list 563 00:24:31,184 --> 00:24:34,504 Speaker 3: of all the celebrities and designers I recognize, Okay, and 564 00:24:34,624 --> 00:24:37,104 Speaker 3: keep in mind this is me recognizing people, so it 565 00:24:37,144 --> 00:24:39,424 Speaker 3: will definitely be more that more people will recognize. Can 566 00:24:39,424 --> 00:24:40,104 Speaker 3: I read you out my list? 567 00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:40,704 Speaker 1: Yes? Please do? 568 00:24:40,904 --> 00:24:45,224 Speaker 3: Anna Winter, Kim Kardashian, Victoria Beckham, Sarah Jesca Parker, Gwenepaucho, 569 00:24:45,424 --> 00:24:49,104 Speaker 3: Liz Hurley, Mark Jacobs, Tom Ford, Naomi Campbell, Hillary Clinton, 570 00:24:49,224 --> 00:24:51,984 Speaker 3: Vera Wang, Missy Elliott, Michael kor Stella McCartney. 571 00:24:52,064 --> 00:24:54,144 Speaker 1: I mean, that's quite the list. So I'm assuming this 572 00:24:54,184 --> 00:24:56,544 Speaker 1: is a documentary for people who I guess love that 573 00:24:56,704 --> 00:25:00,384 Speaker 1: frothy escapism of fashion and magazine publicing and celebrities, and 574 00:25:00,384 --> 00:25:02,384 Speaker 1: also a lot of history of like you know, vogues 575 00:25:02,424 --> 00:25:04,824 Speaker 1: being responsible for some huge pop culture moments, and I 576 00:25:04,824 --> 00:25:07,304 Speaker 1: think these documentaries are a really good reminder of that. 577 00:25:07,264 --> 00:25:11,024 Speaker 3: And just like learning about how big Vogue actually is 578 00:25:11,064 --> 00:25:13,824 Speaker 3: because I'm not that across the fashion world, and it's 579 00:25:13,904 --> 00:25:16,104 Speaker 3: usually during the met Gala where I'm suddenly like, oh 580 00:25:16,104 --> 00:25:18,384 Speaker 3: my god, I need to get across, like down big vogues, 581 00:25:18,424 --> 00:25:22,344 Speaker 3: especially after watching Ocean's eight and I this documentary just 582 00:25:22,344 --> 00:25:23,984 Speaker 3: showed me that, like, oh my god, this is a 583 00:25:24,024 --> 00:25:27,384 Speaker 3: powerhouse that if you are like my age and missed 584 00:25:27,384 --> 00:25:29,504 Speaker 3: out on the nineties vogue like it just kind of 585 00:25:29,544 --> 00:25:32,144 Speaker 3: like show like teaches you how big it actually was. 586 00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:34,464 Speaker 1: Okay on Disney Plus. On Disney Plus, Okay, I love that, 587 00:25:34,504 --> 00:25:37,184 Speaker 1: any little frothy watch for the weekend. On a slightly 588 00:25:37,224 --> 00:25:42,584 Speaker 1: different note, I am recommending a new dystopian teen drama movie, 589 00:25:42,864 --> 00:25:45,504 Speaker 1: yeah exactly, which I feel like is something that at 590 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,024 Speaker 1: any age you can watch. Interestingly, though, there's all the 591 00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:50,984 Speaker 1: start to show that most teen either books or TV 592 00:25:51,024 --> 00:25:53,344 Speaker 1: shows are watched by adults, which I think is fair 593 00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:55,304 Speaker 1: because it's a you know, it's an important moment in time. 594 00:25:55,544 --> 00:25:57,744 Speaker 1: So I'm talking about the new movies The Uglies, which 595 00:25:57,784 --> 00:26:02,024 Speaker 1: is coming out on Netflix today. All my life I 596 00:26:02,064 --> 00:26:05,624 Speaker 1: wanted to be pretty. I thought it would change everything 597 00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:08,944 Speaker 1: for those of you turning sixteen today. 598 00:26:09,424 --> 00:26:12,904 Speaker 2: You've waited your entire line for this moment. 599 00:26:13,104 --> 00:26:15,304 Speaker 3: All the flaws you would have today will be gone 600 00:26:15,384 --> 00:26:18,064 Speaker 3: tomorrow with one elegant procedure. 601 00:26:18,664 --> 00:26:21,504 Speaker 1: It's because everyone is accepted. No one is left be 602 00:26:21,624 --> 00:26:24,864 Speaker 1: high get surgery. 603 00:26:25,104 --> 00:26:26,264 Speaker 2: Things are just different. 604 00:26:26,424 --> 00:26:30,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll get it, and you're pretty There's something about 605 00:26:30,624 --> 00:26:31,064 Speaker 1: this place. 606 00:26:31,664 --> 00:26:33,544 Speaker 2: It's how I scenes. 607 00:26:34,584 --> 00:26:36,704 Speaker 1: What if I told you that there's an alternative U. 608 00:26:38,304 --> 00:26:40,144 Speaker 1: The reason I was quite excited for the movie is 609 00:26:40,144 --> 00:26:41,944 Speaker 1: that I have such a vivid memory of reading this 610 00:26:41,984 --> 00:26:43,904 Speaker 1: book when it came out in two thousand and five. 611 00:26:44,384 --> 00:26:47,584 Speaker 1: And when the trailer for The Uglies came out to 612 00:26:47,624 --> 00:26:49,864 Speaker 1: the new Netflix movie, a lot of people were like, oh, 613 00:26:50,224 --> 00:26:52,744 Speaker 1: a young girl and just stopian world, trying to save 614 00:26:52,784 --> 00:26:55,384 Speaker 1: the world and push back against the government. What a 615 00:26:55,464 --> 00:26:57,984 Speaker 1: ripof of The Hunger Games? What a ripoff of Divergent? 616 00:26:58,224 --> 00:27:00,304 Speaker 1: And to that, I must say that The Uglies actually 617 00:27:00,384 --> 00:27:02,304 Speaker 1: came out first. It came out in two thousand and five. 618 00:27:02,584 --> 00:27:04,624 Speaker 1: The Hunger Games didn't come out till two thousand and eight, 619 00:27:04,664 --> 00:27:06,744 Speaker 1: and Divergent didn't come out until two thousand and love 620 00:27:06,784 --> 00:27:09,544 Speaker 1: were sold a live exactly, So even though those both 621 00:27:09,544 --> 00:27:12,104 Speaker 1: had a movie French first, the Uglies was the first 622 00:27:12,104 --> 00:27:13,704 Speaker 1: book to come out. So it's just important to keep 623 00:27:13,744 --> 00:27:16,584 Speaker 1: across history. So this has got a great car. So 624 00:27:16,704 --> 00:27:20,904 Speaker 1: Joey King stars as the heroine, Tally young Blood, and 625 00:27:20,904 --> 00:27:22,784 Speaker 1: then oh, okay, well, I mean you might like her 626 00:27:22,784 --> 00:27:26,544 Speaker 1: in this, okay. Also Chase Stokes from Outer Banks, Oh nice? Yes, 627 00:27:26,584 --> 00:27:29,224 Speaker 1: And also Levanne Cox is in this You love Laverne Cox? 628 00:27:29,304 --> 00:27:30,664 Speaker 2: I yes. 629 00:27:30,824 --> 00:27:33,464 Speaker 1: So the Uglies is it's get it's sent this to 630 00:27:33,544 --> 00:27:37,424 Speaker 1: stopian world in the future. Everyone is considered ugly when 631 00:27:37,424 --> 00:27:39,704 Speaker 1: they're born, and then when you get to sixteen, you 632 00:27:39,784 --> 00:27:43,224 Speaker 1: get this extreme cosmetic surgery to make you pretty, and 633 00:27:43,264 --> 00:27:46,264 Speaker 1: then your whole life changes, you go to a different place. Yes, 634 00:27:46,544 --> 00:27:48,584 Speaker 1: And it's really this whole system of like the ugly 635 00:27:48,744 --> 00:27:50,904 Speaker 1: people and the pretty people. And then so. 636 00:27:51,624 --> 00:27:53,064 Speaker 3: Joey King playing an ugly person. 637 00:27:53,064 --> 00:27:54,384 Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much as a spoiler, 638 00:27:54,384 --> 00:27:57,144 Speaker 1: but it will reveal itself obviously. It's a commentary on 639 00:27:57,184 --> 00:27:59,504 Speaker 1: people being told they're ugly by society but not really 640 00:27:59,504 --> 00:28:02,304 Speaker 1: being ugly. So Tally is this young girl and she's 641 00:28:02,304 --> 00:28:05,424 Speaker 1: about to turn sixteen and she starts kind of pushing 642 00:28:05,464 --> 00:28:07,464 Speaker 1: against what this world is set up, and she goes 643 00:28:07,504 --> 00:28:09,424 Speaker 1: on it. It's a classic dystopian novel if she goes 644 00:28:09,464 --> 00:28:11,424 Speaker 1: on a bit of a quest with other people and 645 00:28:11,424 --> 00:28:13,264 Speaker 1: there's a love story in there, and it's like this 646 00:28:13,304 --> 00:28:16,384 Speaker 1: one girl who's going to change the world and push 647 00:28:16,464 --> 00:28:19,224 Speaker 1: back against the evil government. You know, Taylor's oldest time, 648 00:28:19,264 --> 00:28:21,984 Speaker 1: but you know, very very well done. So The Uglies 649 00:28:22,224 --> 00:28:24,464 Speaker 1: is out now on Netflix, will come out tonight, and 650 00:28:24,664 --> 00:28:26,624 Speaker 1: I just just a vivid memory of reading the book 651 00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:28,584 Speaker 1: when it came out and really enjoying it and that 652 00:28:28,664 --> 00:28:31,184 Speaker 1: being such a big thing. So I'm just really excited 653 00:28:31,264 --> 00:28:33,864 Speaker 1: that a movie adaptation is here, even if it just 654 00:28:33,904 --> 00:28:35,304 Speaker 1: gives people to go read the book, because I think 655 00:28:35,304 --> 00:28:36,944 Speaker 1: the book has been forgotten a little bit. But it's 656 00:28:37,064 --> 00:28:39,184 Speaker 1: really really good. So The Uglies let us know what 657 00:28:39,224 --> 00:28:39,624 Speaker 1: you think. 658 00:28:39,904 --> 00:28:42,064 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 659 00:28:42,104 --> 00:28:44,144 Speaker 3: If you love listening to us, we would love it 660 00:28:44,184 --> 00:28:46,384 Speaker 3: if you could please give us a rating and review 661 00:28:46,704 --> 00:28:49,544 Speaker 3: in your podcast app. You just click that little five 662 00:28:49,664 --> 00:28:53,144 Speaker 3: star little icon. Please five stars only. We will see 663 00:28:53,144 --> 00:28:55,184 Speaker 3: you back here in your podcast feed at three pm 664 00:28:55,224 --> 00:28:55,704 Speaker 3: on Monday. 665 00:28:55,864 --> 00:29:01,704 Speaker 1: Bye bye, Lan