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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 1: Brodnick and I'm m Venam and coming up on the

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Speaker 1: show today, We've got one very excited girl in the

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Speaker 1: studio today. It is our Grammy special. So we thought

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Speaker 1: yesterday we would just watch the Grammy see what happened?

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Speaker 1: Is it worth a full episode? But it really was.

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Speaker 1: Our entire office was screaming, crying, laughing.

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Speaker 3: About the entire office.

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Speaker 1: Me, yes, yes, you but lots of surprise wins, lots

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Speaker 1: of big emotional moments, and quite a few controversies if

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Speaker 1: you knew whether looks we're going to get into all that.

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Speaker 1: But first of all, Emily, it's a shock and a

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Speaker 1: surprise that you're even on the pod today because if

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Speaker 1: your favorite singer didn't win at the Grammys yesterday, you

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Speaker 1: had threatened to take a day off and you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been here for the Spill.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I pretty much told my manager, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: Win, and she did win. She didn't win.

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Speaker 4: Best New Artists, which is what I was hoping she

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Speaker 4: would win. Chapel Rone won that, which I was really

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Speaker 4: happy with as well. But she did win Best Rap Album,

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Speaker 4: which I was so shocked by in the best way possible,

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Speaker 4: because that award has historically been dominated by men in

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Speaker 4: that genre. Only two women before Doci have won that award,

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Speaker 4: Lauren Hill and Carti B. And Krti B was the

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Speaker 4: one who presented her with the award, so she won

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Speaker 4: for her album Alligator Bites Never Heal. She was also

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Speaker 4: the only woman that was nominated this year.

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Speaker 3: It was so good. I felt like the.

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Speaker 4: Grammys for me just felt like Doughci Show, Like everything

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Speaker 4: from accepting her award to that amazing performance she gave.

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Speaker 4: Like I know we've talked about Doci in the past,

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Speaker 4: about her performances.

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Speaker 1: That she did on like You've been leading the pace

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Speaker 4: And stuff, and she's very artistic in her performance style,

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Speaker 4: and it was just so beautiful to see her speech as.

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Speaker 3: Well, was just so nice. I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: She did like a little call out to like young

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Speaker 4: black girls who are watching her and told them that, like,

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Speaker 4: she's a testimony of you being able to achieve your dreams.

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Speaker 3: Were so sweet. I don't want to make this long, but.

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Speaker 5: This category was introduced in nineteen eighty nine, and two

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Speaker 5: women have won Lauren Hill, three women have one.

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Speaker 3: Lauren Hill, cardib and Doci.

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Speaker 5: The last thing I want to say, Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: there's almost going on with the fuck. Sorry. I know

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Speaker 5: that there is some black girl out There's so many

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Speaker 5: black women out there that are watching me right now,

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Speaker 5: and I want to.

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Speaker 1: Tell you you can do it.

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Speaker 5: Anything is possible, Anything is possible.

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Speaker 3: Don't allow don't allow.

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Speaker 5: Anybody to project any stereotypes on you that tell you

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Speaker 1: Or you're too loud.

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Speaker 5: You are exactly who you need to be to be

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Speaker 1: And I am a testimony.

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Speaker 4: So freaking cute, Like I loved it so much. I

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Speaker 4: listened to it so many times. But then something happened

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Speaker 4: like a new song. It was on Spotify notification saying

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Speaker 4: And the cover of the album was the Grammy Award

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Speaker 4: and the song was titled Nosebleeds. She dropped a full

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Speaker 4: Basically it was in reference to Kanee West really famous

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Speaker 3: It's a really good song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Nothing like you and me standing

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Speaker 1: So a lot of big wins from the Grammys that

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Speaker 4: It was like, I think this is going to go

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Speaker 4: Lamar was the biggest winner in the Grammys this year.

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Speaker 4: He took home five awards, including two massive awards, Record

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Speaker 4: actually the first time a disc track has ever won

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Speaker 4: at the Grammys, and the fact that he is just insane.

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Speaker 1: Which is kind of crazy when you think about it,

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Speaker 3: Buts are like some of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: So how come they're not winning Grammys?

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Speaker 1: Grammys is like, we don't want get involved. We don't

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Speaker 4: Involved because most distracks is like from one artist to

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Speaker 4: the Grammys. Another big one that's become so famous was

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Speaker 4: when ice Cube left n WA all the distracks that

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Speaker 4: And I think because with distracks, they just have so

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Speaker 4: kind of the best lyrical outcome possible. So the reason

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Speaker 4: why everyone is talking about this was because the track

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Speaker 4: that he won for was Not Like Us, which is

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Speaker 4: a direct distrack to rapper Drake. Yes, and we have

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Speaker 4: talked about this in the past. We will link that

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Speaker 4: basically it started in twenty twenty four. They were kind

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Speaker 4: Instead of Drake dropping a disk track in return, which

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Speaker 1: Because there were some pretty serious allegations in there amongst

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Speaker 4: So that happened last month, but before that, we were

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Speaker 4: everyone thought, like, how funny would it be if Kendrick

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Speaker 4: which is exactly what he did. And then we also

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Speaker 4: have to remember that next week he will be performing

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Speaker 4: this song at the super Bowl, like all of his

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Speaker 3: So it was just a really interesting.

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Speaker 4: Moment of the best of the best in music voting

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Speaker 4: for this song to win a Grammy. Even though Drake

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Speaker 1: Music industry, it feels like people have taken aside.

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Speaker 3: Okay, can I go to another one?

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Speaker 6: Ye?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 4: I know I've got a massively look at my notes. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so the next person I want to talk to, which

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited to jump right in and get into

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Speaker 4: the nitty gritty of this is Beyonce. She also made

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Speaker 4: she won Album of the Year for Cowbokrtera, as well

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Speaker 4: She's the first black woman to win this award since

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Speaker 6: As selected by the thirteen thousand voting members of the

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Speaker 6: Recording Act of Me. The Grammy goes to Cowboy Carter Beyonce.

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Speaker 6: I just feel very full and very honored. It's been many,

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Speaker 6: many years, and I just want to thank the Grammys,

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Speaker 6: every songwriter, every collaborator, every producer, all of the hard work.

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Speaker 1: God bless you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thankful.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of annoying because I feel like whenever Beyonce

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Speaker 1: Was rigged, like or they just felt like they had

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Speaker 1: which is what every artists has been saying for years.

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Speaker 1: People have caught it the Grammys, the fact that she

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Speaker 1: that's the first time I've seen her look genuinely shocked.

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Speaker 1: She was shocked, befuddled and just like off and just

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Speaker 4: Everyone was shocked because she also wanted to nominated for

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Speaker 1: She was snubbed from all the big country and Music

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Speaker 1: Awards moments, and they're the people who from the Recording

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Speaker 1: Academy who vote in those areas. It's not the fans voting,

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Speaker 1: it's the people who have snubbed her a year after

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Speaker 1: year and the people who have told her that she

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everyone was shocked, mainly her. And then

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Speaker 7: I told myself, if I ever want a Grammy and

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Speaker 1: I actually feel okay about. Yeah, I think she's won

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Speaker 1: so many Grammy She's had an amazing year. There was

435
00:20:01,584 --> 00:20:02,184
Speaker 1: so many.

436
00:20:01,944 --> 00:20:05,904
Speaker 3: Other album was good, but it was highly competitive this year. Yeah,

437
00:20:06,064 --> 00:20:07,064
Speaker 3: highly competitive.

438
00:20:07,144 --> 00:20:09,104
Speaker 1: Also I feel like she I mean, obviously, you never

439
00:20:09,144 --> 00:20:11,344
Speaker 1: know what's going on in people's minds, and we've seen

440
00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:14,184
Speaker 1: from like in the past when she wasn't nominated for Grammys,

441
00:20:14,264 --> 00:20:16,744
Speaker 1: she took it really hard because she felt that she

442
00:20:16,904 --> 00:20:19,464
Speaker 1: wasn't valued by the music industry and was not seen

443
00:20:19,504 --> 00:20:21,904
Speaker 1: as a proper artist. I'm assuming now with the amount

444
00:20:21,904 --> 00:20:24,544
Speaker 1: of wind she has and the sellout stadium tours and everything,

445
00:20:24,544 --> 00:20:26,504
Speaker 1: that she doesn't think that anymore. So maybe she was

446
00:20:26,544 --> 00:20:28,504
Speaker 1: okay with it. But yeah, I think a lot of

447
00:20:28,544 --> 00:20:31,664
Speaker 1: people project onto I guess awards are very high emotional,

448
00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:34,864
Speaker 1: but like Billie Eilish looked very tearing and emotional throughout

449
00:20:34,944 --> 00:20:38,344
Speaker 1: multiple parts of the night. I think, yeah, and everyone's like, oh,

450
00:20:38,344 --> 00:20:40,224
Speaker 1: she's upset because she hasn't won. But then I was like,

451
00:20:40,264 --> 00:20:41,664
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she has so many awards, there's

452
00:20:41,704 --> 00:20:43,104
Speaker 1: multiple oscars.

453
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Speaker 3: But you know, you just never know.

454
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Speaker 1: But also, was she crying because Beyonce one and she

455
00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:50,464
Speaker 1: had an emotional It's hard to say, but Taylor Swift

456
00:20:50,504 --> 00:20:53,024
Speaker 1: was really living her best life in the audience. So

457
00:20:53,144 --> 00:20:55,264
Speaker 1: she had dancing in that champagne that Oh my god,

458
00:20:55,264 --> 00:20:58,624
Speaker 1: I've never felt more seen in my life. She walked

459
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Speaker 1: in in a red sequin to minia dress and everyone's like, oh,

460
00:21:01,744 --> 00:21:03,224
Speaker 1: what's she trying to say? And I was like, she

461
00:21:03,264 --> 00:21:05,384
Speaker 1: looks good and red. Maybe that's just maybe she just

462
00:21:05,464 --> 00:21:07,824
Speaker 1: likes her dress. But she did have a little tea

463
00:21:07,984 --> 00:21:11,904
Speaker 1: in jewels hanging over her thigh, and you would think

464
00:21:11,944 --> 00:21:15,184
Speaker 1: it was just tea for Taylor because that seems pretty straightforward.

465
00:21:15,464 --> 00:21:17,904
Speaker 1: But then people were saying, is it tea for Travis?

466
00:21:17,944 --> 00:21:20,224
Speaker 1: And is that song lyric that she was referring to

467
00:21:20,504 --> 00:21:22,424
Speaker 1: from one of her songs where she said, what if

468
00:21:22,464 --> 00:21:25,384
Speaker 1: he's written mine on my upper thigh? Only in my mind?

469
00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:28,424
Speaker 1: So like, is that tea on her thigh meant to

470
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Speaker 1: be Travis writing on her thigh?

471
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Speaker 7: Oh?

472
00:21:30,504 --> 00:21:32,824
Speaker 3: No, no, because she didn't want anything. She couldna announce anything.

473
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Speaker 1: I know, Swifties will just find some sort of hidden

474
00:21:35,824 --> 00:21:38,544
Speaker 1: me and guess you'll never know. No, you'll never know

475
00:21:38,584 --> 00:21:40,344
Speaker 1: because she didn't get to be up on stage. She

476
00:21:40,344 --> 00:21:42,864
Speaker 1: did present Beyonce, which was a beautiful moment to the

477
00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:44,704
Speaker 1: two of them hugging on stage she presented her with

478
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Speaker 1: an award. But yeah, she was having the best time

479
00:21:46,864 --> 00:21:50,264
Speaker 1: out of everyone. Infamously, she's always the person who gets

480
00:21:50,344 --> 00:21:52,544
Speaker 1: up and dance to every artist and it's.

481
00:21:52,384 --> 00:21:54,424
Speaker 3: Not gimmicky because she knows all the words.

482
00:21:54,584 --> 00:21:56,304
Speaker 1: She knows all the words to every song that gets

483
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Speaker 1: performed at every award show. And she's previously said like,

484
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Speaker 1: I think it's disrespectful to just be sitting and not,

485
00:22:01,984 --> 00:22:03,224
Speaker 1: you know, supporting the artists.

486
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Speaker 4: Disrespectful and yeah, because I'm like if I was there,

487
00:22:06,064 --> 00:22:08,344
Speaker 4: you know how much money people pay to like watch

488
00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:10,584
Speaker 4: these people and you lose as a just.

489
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Speaker 1: Sitting down here just watching and not seeing. It's like

490
00:22:12,864 --> 00:22:16,264
Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus yelling stand up last year, like why are you?

491
00:22:17,224 --> 00:22:19,024
Speaker 4: Was someone that I didn't know if we should talk

492
00:22:19,024 --> 00:22:23,144
Speaker 4: about today because she she was just very interesting when

493
00:22:23,184 --> 00:22:25,224
Speaker 4: she was presenting Best Record of the Year, Like she

494
00:22:25,384 --> 00:22:27,624
Speaker 4: was just talking about Beyonce a lot.

495
00:22:27,944 --> 00:22:29,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean that's fair, that.

496
00:22:29,344 --> 00:22:31,544
Speaker 3: Is just fair talk about this is Kendrick, like I

497
00:22:31,584 --> 00:22:32,104
Speaker 3: love them bone.

498
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:33,904
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, was this moment.

499
00:22:33,704 --> 00:22:35,624
Speaker 3: When she was like I'll just say BEYONCEO.

500
00:22:36,584 --> 00:22:39,344
Speaker 1: Yeah. But Taylor was also she was dancing in the

501
00:22:39,344 --> 00:22:41,424
Speaker 1: crowd the whole night. But at one stage she was

502
00:22:41,544 --> 00:22:43,624
Speaker 1: dancing with a full glass of wine, like the same

503
00:22:43,704 --> 00:22:46,384
Speaker 1: level I film my up for Premierees a full bottle

504
00:22:46,424 --> 00:22:48,624
Speaker 1: of wine in her hand, and she had put a

505
00:22:48,664 --> 00:22:50,984
Speaker 1: blazer over her dress to dance, and I was like,

506
00:22:50,984 --> 00:22:51,864
Speaker 1: I No, felt more scene.

507
00:22:51,904 --> 00:22:54,144
Speaker 3: I heard that it was Janelle blazer.

508
00:22:54,224 --> 00:22:55,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Janelle threw it out to the crowd and

509
00:22:55,904 --> 00:22:57,104
Speaker 1: Taylor caught it and put it on.

510
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Speaker 3: Because what I.

511
00:22:58,024 --> 00:22:59,744
Speaker 1: Want to see this is all I care about.

512
00:22:59,944 --> 00:23:04,464
Speaker 4: That's such different sizes as kind of fitted, but she's

513
00:23:04,504 --> 00:23:05,944
Speaker 4: making a work that Michael Jackson.

514
00:23:06,784 --> 00:23:09,464
Speaker 1: It looked amazing. She and Margaret quality because obviously Margaret

515
00:23:09,504 --> 00:23:11,504
Speaker 1: was sitting with jack and and off. People were like

516
00:23:11,584 --> 00:23:13,664
Speaker 1: making some comments about them because they were just standing there,

517
00:23:13,744 --> 00:23:16,064
Speaker 1: hugging and holding each other the whole night, through all

518
00:23:16,104 --> 00:23:17,664
Speaker 1: the performances and looking each other's eyes.

519
00:23:17,984 --> 00:23:18,704
Speaker 3: Why was she there?

520
00:23:18,744 --> 00:23:21,024
Speaker 1: And people, well, she's because he's nominated with all the

521
00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:23,784
Speaker 1: artists he worked with it. She's his wife. Emily Jesus, Okay,

522
00:23:23,904 --> 00:23:25,384
Speaker 1: my friend's like they look like they're waiting for a

523
00:23:25,464 --> 00:23:29,744
Speaker 1: ride at Disneyland. They stay there hugging each other, kind

524
00:23:29,744 --> 00:23:32,024
Speaker 1: of looking at each other, into each other, and Taylor's

525
00:23:32,064 --> 00:23:34,184
Speaker 1: dancing next to them. But yes, so that was the

526
00:23:34,224 --> 00:23:37,064
Speaker 1: cute part of Taylor. Everyone's like her secret message she's dancing,

527
00:23:37,104 --> 00:23:39,784
Speaker 1: But then there was a little bit of secret message

528
00:23:40,064 --> 00:23:43,424
Speaker 1: to dancing. They were the positive comments over on the Swiftie.

529
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Speaker 3: I wish paid that much attention to me?

530
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Speaker 1: Is that your dream to be just dancing in the

531
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Speaker 1: crowd at the Grammy And people were like, what does.

532
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Speaker 3: That move me?

533
00:23:50,344 --> 00:23:51,584
Speaker 1: What is she trying to say?

534
00:23:51,784 --> 00:23:52,664
Speaker 3: What was she trying to say?

535
00:23:54,144 --> 00:23:57,824
Speaker 1: The wind? But there was a little bit of drama

536
00:23:57,944 --> 00:24:01,384
Speaker 1: following taylor slip, as there always is. So one is

537
00:24:01,424 --> 00:24:03,584
Speaker 1: that she is Kendrick, which you pointed out to me

538
00:24:03,744 --> 00:24:05,504
Speaker 1: was quite scandalous.

539
00:24:05,784 --> 00:24:08,504
Speaker 4: Yes, not as scandalous. I mean, she has had a

540
00:24:08,544 --> 00:24:12,024
Speaker 4: song with Kendrick Bade is one of them. But there

541
00:24:12,024 --> 00:24:14,144
Speaker 4: were a lot of rumors when this feud was happening

542
00:24:14,144 --> 00:24:17,264
Speaker 4: between Kendrick and Drake that Drake and Taylor were very

543
00:24:17,304 --> 00:24:20,824
Speaker 4: close friends. Like he's mentioned Taylor in lyrics before, so

544
00:24:20,984 --> 00:24:23,184
Speaker 4: I think people just assume that, like she would take

545
00:24:23,264 --> 00:24:26,504
Speaker 4: Drake's side. Obviously she would never say, and she never will.

546
00:24:26,904 --> 00:24:29,224
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of people are focusing on

547
00:24:29,304 --> 00:24:31,704
Speaker 4: that image of her. It's also such a beautiful image

548
00:24:31,704 --> 00:24:33,824
Speaker 4: where Kendrick's giving a speech and it's the back of

549
00:24:33,864 --> 00:24:34,704
Speaker 4: Taylor and she's like.

550
00:24:34,904 --> 00:24:35,944
Speaker 3: Holding her glass up.

551
00:24:36,104 --> 00:24:38,264
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just think that's just from the artist

552
00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:39,464
Speaker 4: respecting another artist.

553
00:24:40,424 --> 00:24:42,584
Speaker 3: She also knew all the words to that song.

554
00:24:42,744 --> 00:24:45,544
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I also think she's the most photographed woman

555
00:24:45,544 --> 00:24:48,344
Speaker 1: in the world. She knows that if she does anything,

556
00:24:48,384 --> 00:24:50,504
Speaker 1: and there's cameras everywhere that grime is not just the

557
00:24:50,544 --> 00:24:53,344
Speaker 1: TV cameras that are filming it, there's also people filming

558
00:24:53,424 --> 00:24:56,024
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes footage and background footage. And she

559
00:24:56,064 --> 00:24:58,264
Speaker 1: would be so aware that if she does anything, if

560
00:24:58,304 --> 00:25:01,144
Speaker 1: she lets her face fall or change it anyway, that

561
00:25:01,184 --> 00:25:03,864
Speaker 1: there'll be all these headlines and articles and tiktoks that

562
00:25:03,984 --> 00:25:05,944
Speaker 1: start this big avalanche of her being a mean girl,

563
00:25:06,024 --> 00:25:08,744
Speaker 1: or her taking someone on like she has speeding her

564
00:25:08,784 --> 00:25:10,984
Speaker 1: Like the royal family when the Queen was around, she

565
00:25:11,024 --> 00:25:12,624
Speaker 1: would have to go into events and just always be

566
00:25:12,704 --> 00:25:15,184
Speaker 1: really neutral, yeah, because she was the most powerful person

567
00:25:15,184 --> 00:25:17,144
Speaker 1: in the room. That's like Taylor swifted the gummy. Yeah,

568
00:25:17,184 --> 00:25:18,264
Speaker 1: but she to be neutral.

569
00:25:18,344 --> 00:25:21,064
Speaker 4: I do think there's a difference between standing up and clapping,

570
00:25:21,144 --> 00:25:23,664
Speaker 4: like giving everyone a standing ovation, which she does and clapped,

571
00:25:24,544 --> 00:25:28,584
Speaker 4: versus going that extra step and actually cheering yeah, which

572
00:25:28,584 --> 00:25:32,744
Speaker 4: he did a few times to people that we were like, oh, well.

573
00:25:32,424 --> 00:25:35,464
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. So when Beyonce won Best Album,

574
00:25:35,704 --> 00:25:38,304
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, who is at the same sort of table

575
00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:41,224
Speaker 1: front area where Beyonce was sitting with her family and

576
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Speaker 1: jay Z and their daughter blue Ivy. Taylor was obviously

577
00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:47,024
Speaker 1: clapping and cheering for Beyonce when she won, as everyone was,

578
00:25:47,064 --> 00:25:49,584
Speaker 1: and then she leaned over and cheersed jay Z and

579
00:25:49,624 --> 00:25:52,264
Speaker 1: they were like clapping together, and people were just like

580
00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:54,824
Speaker 1: quite furious about that. People were very angry that jay

581
00:25:54,864 --> 00:25:57,184
Speaker 1: Z was there in the first place. And I think

582
00:25:57,184 --> 00:25:59,624
Speaker 1: that would have been something very difficult for Beyonce to

583
00:25:59,664 --> 00:26:04,184
Speaker 1: tread because obviously he is still involved in the allegations

584
00:26:04,304 --> 00:26:06,544
Speaker 1: that have followed Sean Combes as well that he's currently

585
00:26:06,544 --> 00:26:10,304
Speaker 1: in prison for. There's allegations against jay Z for sexual

586
00:26:10,464 --> 00:26:13,144
Speaker 1: sold in a number of other horrific things. He's denied

587
00:26:13,184 --> 00:26:15,864
Speaker 1: them all. He's trying to sue the lawyer involved and

588
00:26:15,864 --> 00:26:18,704
Speaker 1: they're a woman. So many allegations, yes, but there's a

589
00:26:18,704 --> 00:26:21,184
Speaker 1: lot of really terrible allegations against jay Z.

590
00:26:21,344 --> 00:26:22,264
Speaker 3: That's what I mean about the.

591
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Speaker 4: Cheers and thing, Yeah, because Taylor could have easily like

592
00:26:24,984 --> 00:26:27,624
Speaker 4: obviously given Beyonce standing ovation and then we know that

593
00:26:27,664 --> 00:26:30,184
Speaker 4: they're very close friends, Yeah, and like clapped and looked

594
00:26:30,184 --> 00:26:32,424
Speaker 4: at jay Z and just like mouth congratulations.

595
00:26:32,464 --> 00:26:34,984
Speaker 3: When it's the reaching out to like clink Glade and.

596
00:26:34,904 --> 00:26:38,344
Speaker 1: It's that footage that's everywhere of them seemingly laughing together

597
00:26:38,424 --> 00:26:40,224
Speaker 1: and her like leaning over to jay Z to talk

598
00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:40,704
Speaker 1: to him.

599
00:26:40,544 --> 00:26:43,104
Speaker 3: And stuff, and it's very calculated, like it has to

600
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Speaker 3: be here.

601
00:26:43,504 --> 00:26:45,144
Speaker 1: Well, I also, yeah, I also just think, you know,

602
00:26:45,224 --> 00:26:47,344
Speaker 1: you're putting yourself in the mindset of her of being like,

603
00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:49,864
Speaker 1: am I just going to ignore this man who's the

604
00:26:50,384 --> 00:26:52,584
Speaker 1: husband of my long term colleague and friend and not

605
00:26:52,624 --> 00:26:55,064
Speaker 1: even talk to him because it might be caught on camera?

606
00:26:55,224 --> 00:26:58,224
Speaker 1: And it's Yeah, it's obviously a very difficult situation. And

607
00:26:58,504 --> 00:27:00,464
Speaker 1: I would be interested in kind of like the crisis

608
00:27:00,544 --> 00:27:03,344
Speaker 1: talks that went on behind the scenes with him being there,

609
00:27:03,464 --> 00:27:06,144
Speaker 1: because there was obviously so much backlash when he was

610
00:27:06,184 --> 00:27:08,224
Speaker 1: seen at the premiere of The Lion King just after

611
00:27:08,224 --> 00:27:10,624
Speaker 1: the allegations came out. He's kind of really laid low

612
00:27:10,744 --> 00:27:16,064
Speaker 1: since then. And then also Beyonce didn't say anything about

613
00:27:16,144 --> 00:27:18,424
Speaker 1: him and her speeches, there was no call out to him,

614
00:27:18,464 --> 00:27:20,864
Speaker 1: and I feel like she definitely would have for this

615
00:27:20,984 --> 00:27:23,064
Speaker 1: huge moment, because when he's one Grammys in the past,

616
00:27:23,064 --> 00:27:25,064
Speaker 1: as you were saying, he gets on stage and talks

617
00:27:25,064 --> 00:27:27,584
Speaker 1: about her in such an intense way of like not

618
00:27:27,704 --> 00:27:29,584
Speaker 1: just what a genius she is in her music, but

619
00:27:30,024 --> 00:27:32,024
Speaker 1: what the industry has done to her and how she's

620
00:27:32,024 --> 00:27:33,464
Speaker 1: been treated and all that sort of thing. That he's

621
00:27:33,504 --> 00:27:35,864
Speaker 1: very vocal about her, and it's very interesting that she

622
00:27:35,864 --> 00:27:38,544
Speaker 1: would win the biggest award of her life and not

623
00:27:38,664 --> 00:27:40,864
Speaker 1: mention him at all, not even sort of like be

624
00:27:40,904 --> 00:27:42,584
Speaker 1: seen to give him a look in the crowd. I

625
00:27:42,584 --> 00:27:44,464
Speaker 1: think she was just so aware that if she'd done that,

626
00:27:44,944 --> 00:27:48,504
Speaker 1: the whole story around her win her like finally Taken,

627
00:27:49,184 --> 00:27:52,544
Speaker 1: would be linked to these awful allegations against her husband,

628
00:27:53,184 --> 00:27:56,384
Speaker 1: which is really unfair, but also just you've got to

629
00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,384
Speaker 1: also think about the women who have made these allegations.

630
00:27:58,384 --> 00:28:01,424
Speaker 1: Watching that man be cheered by this room of powerful

631
00:28:01,424 --> 00:28:03,784
Speaker 1: people last night, and watching him sitting up there while

632
00:28:03,784 --> 00:28:06,984
Speaker 1: this is happening, like it's a difficult situation. And then afterwards,

633
00:28:06,984 --> 00:28:09,784
Speaker 1: Beyonce was getting interviewed outside by a few different journalists

634
00:28:09,824 --> 00:28:12,864
Speaker 1: and she was like, again, she's usually so poised and

635
00:28:13,064 --> 00:28:15,544
Speaker 1: so kind of like this kind of goddess creature that

636
00:28:15,624 --> 00:28:18,224
Speaker 1: like comes into it. Really she was hearing.

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00:28:18,424 --> 00:28:21,304
Speaker 4: She's like, yeah, it's like she's like coming down to earth,

638
00:28:21,624 --> 00:28:23,304
Speaker 4: Like she feels very like down to.

639
00:28:23,224 --> 00:28:24,744
Speaker 1: Earth right now. Kind of like seeing her as a

640
00:28:24,784 --> 00:28:26,464
Speaker 1: real person, it was quite nice because usually she just

641
00:28:26,464 --> 00:28:28,224
Speaker 1: seems like such a kind of Yeah. When I was

642
00:28:28,224 --> 00:28:31,624
Speaker 1: listening to I think got that you speak Yeah, and

643
00:28:31,664 --> 00:28:33,024
Speaker 1: she's like, I've been trying to win the ward for

644
00:28:33,064 --> 00:28:35,624
Speaker 1: over twenty years. It's finally happened for me. And you're like, yeah,

645
00:28:35,664 --> 00:28:39,344
Speaker 1: it's hard to think of Beyonces the underdog and not

646
00:28:39,624 --> 00:28:41,344
Speaker 1: how I would think of her. But I guess in

647
00:28:41,384 --> 00:28:43,464
Speaker 1: the music industry, well at least with the Grammys and

648
00:28:43,504 --> 00:28:47,424
Speaker 1: the Recording Academy who make these decisions, she is the underdog,

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Speaker 1: which is really strange when you're one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: artists in the entire world in history. But yeah, lots

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Speaker 1: of drama, but at least at least her win kind

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Speaker 1: of wasn't tainted by that.

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Speaker 4: I have one more drama that I feel like so

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Speaker 4: many people.

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Speaker 3: Miss but not me.

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Speaker 1: This one's niche but important.

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Speaker 4: So there was a camera that was kind of following

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift around the like kind of when the all

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Speaker 4: the celebrities are mingling during the ad. It was following

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift around and then as it was panning, if

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Speaker 4: you paused it at the right moment, you would have

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Speaker 4: seen two celebrities engaging in a conversation that looked quite pleasant,

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Speaker 4: and they were Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely mind blowing. That footage of them. It's grainy and

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Speaker 1: you've got a zoom in. It's could not be hug. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is hug.

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Speaker 4: But Olivia Rodrigo got up from her table, left her date,

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Speaker 4: forgot his name, left him, left.

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Speaker 1: Her long term partner, Lewis Partridge.

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Speaker 3: Lewis Partridge left him there like by himself.

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Speaker 1: That's my close friend. Olivia, So right, walked.

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Speaker 4: Over to Sabrina Carpenter, so like she's in like enemy territory, right,

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Speaker 4: she's in the lion's cage, and it just gave her

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Speaker 4: a hug and they started talking to the point where

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Speaker 4: like everyone just kind of like, who was like around there?

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Speaker 4: The room fell silent and moved away to give them

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Speaker 4: their privacy. Ah, it was cinematic. That's the longest, the

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Speaker 4: grainiest movie I've ever watched, and I loved it much.

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Speaker 1: Such an intense pop feud, like talk about distracks and songs.

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Speaker 4: And started at twenty twenty one, which I feel icky

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Speaker 4: talking about because I have a feeling there.

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Speaker 1: Were children, but definitely were children. They're still kind of.

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Speaker 3: Both on Disney.

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Speaker 4: They were doing their Disney stuff and they were involved

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Speaker 4: in a bit of a love triangle with this guy

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Speaker 4: named Joshua Bassett.

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Speaker 3: The best way about this, the best thing about this is.

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Speaker 4: That these two women became so famous and the guy

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Speaker 4: that they were like that was kind of two timing them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no one knows, no one knows.

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Speaker 1: Where are you, Joshua, Hope You're okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't have enough time to research where he was. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: So Olivia Rodrigo.

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Speaker 4: After that, that's when she released her song Driver's License,

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Speaker 4: just what I think threw her into like mainstream put

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Speaker 4: that was about him. Sabrina was also dating him. She

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Speaker 4: released a song called Skin, which was also about the situation.

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Speaker 4: They both just became so so famous and now they're

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Speaker 4: at a point of fame where people don't even know

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Speaker 4: them from the feud.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly us who knew them from the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that just sort of went back and

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Speaker 1: forth because there was lyrics where it's like Olivia's saying

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Speaker 1: this blonde girl, everyone's like she's talking about Sabrina. And

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Speaker 1: then when Sabrina reallysed skin, there were all these like

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Speaker 1: pointed lyrics about her saying like, yeah, I know you're

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Speaker 1: talking about me when you're saying I'm the blonde woman. Like,

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Speaker 1: it went back and forth for a while, and I

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Speaker 1: need to be more.

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Speaker 3: Blondes in that culture. It's too specific. That's why. Just

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Speaker 3: make it blond and then people won't know who you're

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Speaker 3: talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, blond's traditionally underrepresented entertainment. You're right along

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Speaker 1: with one. That's the takeaway from this episode. Give what

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Speaker 1: was white blonde woman a check for one, And so

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Speaker 1: like they never really talked about it too much, like

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Speaker 1: they never actually come out like Olivia's never said I

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Speaker 1: hate Sabrina, and Sabrina's never said like I hate Olivia.

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Speaker 1: But the fans have found so many different pieces of

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Speaker 1: the puzzle over the year, and.

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Speaker 4: It was always like your team Olivia, are your team

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Speaker 4: Sabrina pretty much in this generation as big as Jennifer Asketon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it was this generations, Jennifer take it No,

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Speaker 1: I feel like a time it was. It did feel

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Speaker 1: that intense. But also because they're both now performing, they're

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Speaker 1: both nominated for these big shows, they've crossed paths, but

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Speaker 1: they've never interacted, at least where we could see they've

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Speaker 1: never interacted before. And they're also with speculation like when

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Speaker 1: they're at these events, did their request to be kept

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Speaker 1: away from each other? Were they refused to tables next

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Speaker 1: to each other? Like all of those sort of.

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift was involved and she was headline with her.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing because I remember Olivia Rodrigo got

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Speaker 1: sued over Taylor Swift's music, and Taylor Swift has now

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Speaker 1: like written one of her songs and yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: now it gets like a credit and money along with

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Speaker 1: other people like Jack Antonof for that song. And then yeah,

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Speaker 1: she brought Sabrina on to do like she had supported

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Speaker 1: Olivia before Taylor's there was anything bad about Livia, we

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Speaker 1: should say that could just take off.

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Speaker 4: And She did also give Olivia standing ovation that last

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Speaker 4: year's she performed well.

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Speaker 1: I imagine if she's the only person she hadn't and

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Speaker 1: that was a big story then. But yeah, Olivia and

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Speaker 1: Taylor used to be close, but then people were shocked

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Speaker 1: when Olivia didn't like do any kind of performing with

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Speaker 1: Taylor anything like that. But obviously she had her own

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Speaker 1: big world tour and then Sabrina was choken open for Taylor.

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Speaker 1: It's a very messy situation, but that hug. People will say,

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Speaker 1: what's saying. War is over? Yeah, war is over. Hollywood

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Speaker 1: is healed.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for a new episode to listen to,

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Speaker 1: we touched on Miley Starrus and her big Grammys moment

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Speaker 1: last year in today's episode. We recently did our whole

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Speaker 1: big deep dive and a big drama with her family

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Speaker 1: that kind of really started at the Grammys last year,

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Speaker 1: so we'll link that in the show notes. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you have a listen. The Spill is produced by Kimberly

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Speaker 1: Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you back here on your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Bye see ya,