1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:15,935 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mum a mere podcast. 2 00:00:12,254 --> 00:00:14,415 Speaker 2: People that gets wrong with. 3 00:00:14,455 --> 00:00:16,095 Speaker 3: You, honestly. 4 00:00:18,175 --> 00:00:20,695 Speaker 1: Good morning from War on My Country. I'm Claire Murphy. 5 00:00:20,775 --> 00:00:23,535 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Quickie. You may have spent this past 6 00:00:23,535 --> 00:00:26,735 Speaker 1: weekend filtering through stories on your platform of choice about 7 00:00:26,735 --> 00:00:29,535 Speaker 1: the situation that's been unfolding on the streets of Minneapolis, 8 00:00:29,615 --> 00:00:32,655 Speaker 1: the capital city of the US state of Minnesota. Perhaps 9 00:00:32,655 --> 00:00:34,735 Speaker 1: he saw video footage of a man who we would 10 00:00:34,815 --> 00:00:38,295 Speaker 1: later find out to be ICU nurse Alex Pretty, confronting 11 00:00:38,375 --> 00:00:41,135 Speaker 1: ICE immigration agents on the street as he attempts to 12 00:00:41,175 --> 00:00:43,055 Speaker 1: help a young woman who's been thrown to the ground. 13 00:00:43,815 --> 00:00:46,214 Speaker 1: What happens next we thought we'd never see on the 14 00:00:46,214 --> 00:00:48,415 Speaker 1: streets of the country. We've considered for a very long 15 00:00:48,415 --> 00:00:51,734 Speaker 1: time as a pretty close ally. This looked more like 16 00:00:51,775 --> 00:00:54,895 Speaker 1: the Hunger Games of District twelve civilians gunned down in 17 00:00:54,935 --> 00:00:57,455 Speaker 1: the street for daring to go up against government forces. 18 00:00:58,295 --> 00:01:01,095 Speaker 1: Thirty seven year old Alex Pretty was shop multiple times 19 00:01:01,135 --> 00:01:02,935 Speaker 1: in the back as he lay pinned to the ground 20 00:01:02,935 --> 00:01:05,815 Speaker 1: by several agents. They would claim he drew a gun. 21 00:01:06,255 --> 00:01:09,975 Speaker 1: Video footage says otherwise. Today we speak to Susan Jones, 22 00:01:10,255 --> 00:01:13,455 Speaker 1: a journalist in Minneapolis local who's watched it says city's 23 00:01:13,455 --> 00:01:17,055 Speaker 1: been fighting, protesting, and blowing whistles to warn its occupants 24 00:01:17,055 --> 00:01:19,815 Speaker 1: that ICE are approaching. Before we get into that, though, 25 00:01:19,975 --> 00:01:23,535 Speaker 1: here's the letters from the Quickie newsroom. Wednesday, January twenty eighth, 26 00:01:23,695 --> 00:01:26,855 Speaker 1: the chief federal judge in Minnesota says the Trump administration 27 00:01:27,015 --> 00:01:29,615 Speaker 1: has failed to comply with orders to hold hearings for 28 00:01:29,695 --> 00:01:32,935 Speaker 1: detained immigrants, and ordered the head of Immigration and Customs 29 00:01:33,015 --> 00:01:36,535 Speaker 1: Enforcement to appear before him to explain why he shouldn't 30 00:01:36,535 --> 00:01:39,495 Speaker 1: be held in contempt. In an order dated on Monday, 31 00:01:39,575 --> 00:01:42,735 Speaker 1: Chief Judge Patrick J. Shillett said todd lyons the acting 32 00:01:42,775 --> 00:01:46,495 Speaker 1: director of ICE must appear personally in court, taking the 33 00:01:46,535 --> 00:01:49,655 Speaker 1: administration to task over its handling of bond hearings for 34 00:01:49,735 --> 00:01:52,975 Speaker 1: immigrants it has detained, saying this court has been extremely 35 00:01:53,015 --> 00:01:56,735 Speaker 1: patient with respondents, even though respondents decided to send thousands 36 00:01:56,775 --> 00:02:00,415 Speaker 1: of agents to Minnesota to detain aliens without making any 37 00:02:00,495 --> 00:02:03,775 Speaker 1: provision for dealing with the hundreds of habeas petitions and 38 00:02:03,935 --> 00:02:07,215 Speaker 1: other lawsuits that were short result. The order comes a 39 00:02:07,295 --> 00:02:10,375 Speaker 1: day after President Donald Trump ordered Borders are Tom Homan 40 00:02:10,454 --> 00:02:14,575 Speaker 1: to take over his administration's immigration crackdown. In Minnesota following 41 00:02:14,615 --> 00:02:16,775 Speaker 1: the second death this month of a person at the 42 00:02:16,775 --> 00:02:20,095 Speaker 1: hands of an immigration law enforcement officer. The judge said 43 00:02:20,135 --> 00:02:22,935 Speaker 1: he recognizes that ordering the head of a federal agency 44 00:02:22,975 --> 00:02:26,375 Speaker 1: to appear personally was extraordinary, but said the extent of 45 00:02:26,415 --> 00:02:30,535 Speaker 1: ICE's violation of court orders is likewise extraordinary, and lesser 46 00:02:30,535 --> 00:02:34,095 Speaker 1: measures have been tried and failed. Heat wave conditions are 47 00:02:34,135 --> 00:02:37,575 Speaker 1: set to continue across inland regions of Southeast Australia as 48 00:02:37,615 --> 00:02:38,935 Speaker 1: coastal cities enjoy. 49 00:02:38,735 --> 00:02:39,615 Speaker 3: A brief reprieve. 50 00:02:40,095 --> 00:02:43,775 Speaker 1: Residents living at Renmark in South Australia's Riverland experience their 51 00:02:43,815 --> 00:02:47,335 Speaker 1: hottest day on record on Tuesday, with temperatures reaching forty 52 00:02:47,455 --> 00:02:50,855 Speaker 1: nine point six degrees, while Victoria smashed its own heat 53 00:02:50,895 --> 00:02:53,175 Speaker 1: record as well. Pea Up in the state's north hit 54 00:02:53,255 --> 00:02:55,975 Speaker 1: forty eight point nine, as did the towns of Oyun 55 00:02:56,055 --> 00:02:59,855 Speaker 1: and Hopetown. Cooler conditions are expected for much of Victoria today, 56 00:02:59,895 --> 00:03:02,895 Speaker 1: although the heat wave gripping inland regional areas is far 57 00:03:02,935 --> 00:03:05,855 Speaker 1: from over. Mill Dura in Victoria's Maalley Ree region is 58 00:03:05,855 --> 00:03:08,294 Speaker 1: set to remain in the forties until at least Sunday, 59 00:03:08,655 --> 00:03:11,335 Speaker 1: and extreme heat wave warning remains in place for several 60 00:03:11,375 --> 00:03:16,135 Speaker 1: regions including the Mallee, Wimmera, Northern Country, East Gippsland, West 61 00:03:16,175 --> 00:03:20,415 Speaker 1: and South Gippsland and North Central regions. Melbournians will experience 62 00:03:20,455 --> 00:03:23,135 Speaker 1: a top of twenty four degrees today, while residents living 63 00:03:23,135 --> 00:03:25,575 Speaker 1: in Adelaide will see a high of thirty a far 64 00:03:25,695 --> 00:03:28,975 Speaker 1: cry from conditions experienced just twenty four hours ago, with 65 00:03:29,095 --> 00:03:31,855 Speaker 1: Melbourne recording a top of forty two degrees, a few 66 00:03:31,855 --> 00:03:35,215 Speaker 1: degrees short of its record high, and Adelaide sweltering through 67 00:03:35,215 --> 00:03:38,255 Speaker 1: a top of forty. Three homes have been destroyed and 68 00:03:38,295 --> 00:03:40,895 Speaker 1: fresh orders to evacuate have been issued for dozens of 69 00:03:40,935 --> 00:03:43,335 Speaker 1: small towns near a large bush fire burning in the 70 00:03:43,335 --> 00:03:46,975 Speaker 1: severe heat wave conditions. Authorities have worn residents near the 71 00:03:47,015 --> 00:03:51,095 Speaker 1: Carlisle River fire in Victoria's Otway Ranges then emergency services 72 00:03:51,135 --> 00:03:53,775 Speaker 1: may not be able to help anyone who chooses to stay. 73 00:03:54,175 --> 00:03:56,375 Speaker 1: In some cases, they say it may be too late 74 00:03:56,415 --> 00:03:59,375 Speaker 1: to leave and people should take shelter. At least three 75 00:03:59,375 --> 00:04:01,855 Speaker 1: homes have been lost in the raging Otway's fire, although 76 00:04:01,855 --> 00:04:04,735 Speaker 1: it's not clear if their primary residence or holiday homes, 77 00:04:05,495 --> 00:04:10,215 Speaker 1: and living in Jelibrand, Barongarook, Barongarook West Kawarren Carlisle River 78 00:04:10,415 --> 00:04:13,255 Speaker 1: and Juranga Meat have been told to shelter now, and 79 00:04:13,375 --> 00:04:16,094 Speaker 1: other emergency warning has been issued for a pioneer camper 80 00:04:16,175 --> 00:04:19,895 Speaker 1: down in the state's southwest, with residents in Korea, Laralia, 81 00:04:20,094 --> 00:04:22,214 Speaker 1: Leslie Manor, Lismore and Tarak. 82 00:04:21,975 --> 00:04:23,294 Speaker 3: Told to shelter indoors. 83 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:25,974 Speaker 1: For the first time in two and a half years, 84 00:04:26,015 --> 00:04:29,375 Speaker 1: the UN's Children's agencies been able to deliver school kids 85 00:04:29,375 --> 00:04:32,855 Speaker 1: with learning materials into Gaza after they were previously blocked 86 00:04:32,855 --> 00:04:37,295 Speaker 1: by Israeli authorities. UNICEF says thousands of kids, including pencils, 87 00:04:37,375 --> 00:04:40,295 Speaker 1: exercise books, and wooden cubes to play with, have now 88 00:04:40,455 --> 00:04:42,654 Speaker 1: entered the enclave, with thousands more set. 89 00:04:42,495 --> 00:04:44,815 Speaker 3: To be delivered now that they have approval to do so. 90 00:04:45,335 --> 00:04:48,455 Speaker 1: Children in Gaza have faced an unprecedented assault on the 91 00:04:48,615 --> 00:04:51,695 Speaker 1: education system, as well as restrictions on the entry of 92 00:04:51,735 --> 00:04:55,575 Speaker 1: some aid materials, including school books and pencils. Many teachers 93 00:04:55,575 --> 00:04:58,654 Speaker 1: have had to make do with limited resources while children 94 00:04:58,655 --> 00:05:02,375 Speaker 1: tried to study at night intents without lights. During the conflict, 95 00:05:02,455 --> 00:05:05,295 Speaker 1: children also had to focus on things other than their education, 96 00:05:05,615 --> 00:05:08,975 Speaker 1: like finding water, as well as widespread malnutrition amid a 97 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:13,015 Speaker 1: major humanitarian crisis. Singer Denny Hines has quit the I'm 98 00:05:13,015 --> 00:05:15,255 Speaker 1: a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here Jungle, saying it 99 00:05:15,295 --> 00:05:18,175 Speaker 1: was because she couldn't go to the toilet. Hines had 100 00:05:18,175 --> 00:05:21,135 Speaker 1: been clashing with her fellow camp mate since entering the jungle, 101 00:05:21,175 --> 00:05:24,495 Speaker 1: with regular run ins with former Maths contestants Sarell, who 102 00:05:24,535 --> 00:05:27,295 Speaker 1: said that Denny just doesn't stop. She told Hines to 103 00:05:27,295 --> 00:05:29,375 Speaker 1: pull a carrot out of her backside and learn what 104 00:05:29,415 --> 00:05:31,895 Speaker 1: a joke was before Hines replied that she was at 105 00:05:31,935 --> 00:05:33,654 Speaker 1: the end of her tether and that she wished she 106 00:05:33,655 --> 00:05:34,895 Speaker 1: could just walk out because she. 107 00:05:34,855 --> 00:05:35,974 Speaker 3: Wanted a warm shower. 108 00:05:36,295 --> 00:05:37,974 Speaker 1: She then said she would walk out if she was 109 00:05:38,015 --> 00:05:40,535 Speaker 1: forced to eat rice and beans again, running off when 110 00:05:40,535 --> 00:05:42,735 Speaker 1: she found out her team had lost a challenge and 111 00:05:42,775 --> 00:05:45,255 Speaker 1: that's exactly what would be on the menu. She took 112 00:05:45,295 --> 00:05:47,455 Speaker 1: to the diary room to tell producers she wanted to 113 00:05:47,535 --> 00:05:50,534 Speaker 1: leave the jungle because, in her words, she couldn't shit 114 00:05:50,815 --> 00:05:52,895 Speaker 1: and can't eat rice and beans again, and that she 115 00:05:52,935 --> 00:05:54,935 Speaker 1: refuses to sit on the long drop for longer than 116 00:05:54,975 --> 00:05:57,695 Speaker 1: five minutes. She then invoked the words that would see 117 00:05:57,735 --> 00:06:00,294 Speaker 1: her back out into the real world, saying, I'm a celebrity, 118 00:06:00,375 --> 00:06:01,055 Speaker 1: Get me out. 119 00:06:00,895 --> 00:06:03,455 Speaker 3: Of here, please. I want to go to a real toilet. 120 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:04,335 Speaker 3: She told her. 121 00:06:04,175 --> 00:06:06,214 Speaker 1: Camp mate she hadn't done a pooling in six days 122 00:06:06,375 --> 00:06:08,935 Speaker 1: and was leaving. That's what's happening in the world today. 123 00:06:08,975 --> 00:06:11,495 Speaker 1: Coming up in a moment. Back to today's top story, 124 00:06:11,695 --> 00:06:14,414 Speaker 1: what's really happening in Minneapolis as they recover from the 125 00:06:14,455 --> 00:06:17,094 Speaker 1: second shooting death from an interaction with ice agents in 126 00:06:17,135 --> 00:06:20,654 Speaker 1: a matter of weeks. We speak to local Susan Jones next. 127 00:06:26,295 --> 00:06:29,135 Speaker 1: In recent times, our friends in the United States are 128 00:06:29,175 --> 00:06:31,975 Speaker 1: looking less like they live the American dream. It's more 129 00:06:32,055 --> 00:06:35,974 Speaker 1: like existing in some sort of dystopian reality. Rights and 130 00:06:36,015 --> 00:06:38,495 Speaker 1: freedoms are being stripped so quickly we can't keep up 131 00:06:38,935 --> 00:06:41,615 Speaker 1: Confronting an officer in public, in front of witnesses and 132 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:45,735 Speaker 1: cameras capturing every moment could still end your life. Is 133 00:06:45,775 --> 00:06:47,895 Speaker 1: it really as bad as the footage we've been seeing 134 00:06:47,935 --> 00:06:50,975 Speaker 1: sent direct to us via social media says? Why is 135 00:06:51,015 --> 00:06:53,015 Speaker 1: the White House report of what happened in the shooting 136 00:06:53,015 --> 00:06:55,935 Speaker 1: death of ICU nurse Alex pretty so different to what 137 00:06:55,975 --> 00:06:58,855 Speaker 1: witnesses say went down and the footage we saw revealed? 138 00:06:59,415 --> 00:07:01,575 Speaker 1: And why are some of those witnesses now saying they're 139 00:07:01,615 --> 00:07:05,495 Speaker 1: too scared to go home? Born and raised in southeast Minneapolis. 140 00:07:05,615 --> 00:07:09,615 Speaker 1: Susan Jones is a news reporter for WCCO Radio. Susan, 141 00:07:09,775 --> 00:07:11,975 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. How is the feeling in the 142 00:07:12,015 --> 00:07:14,015 Speaker 1: city today. 143 00:07:14,335 --> 00:07:19,295 Speaker 2: I think it continues to be a sense of cautious optimism. 144 00:07:19,455 --> 00:07:22,975 Speaker 2: A lot is happening. As we talked about there, a 145 00:07:23,015 --> 00:07:26,775 Speaker 2: lot of changes have happened. The President of the United 146 00:07:26,815 --> 00:07:30,975 Speaker 2: States has spoken to our governor, Minnesota Governor Tim Walls, 147 00:07:31,215 --> 00:07:34,015 Speaker 2: as well as the City of Minneapolis, the mayor here, 148 00:07:34,215 --> 00:07:38,575 Speaker 2: Jacob Fry So that conversation, that communication has sort of 149 00:07:38,575 --> 00:07:41,655 Speaker 2: signaled to people that there may in fact be a shift, 150 00:07:41,735 --> 00:07:45,615 Speaker 2: a change, and an easing of the tension and pressure 151 00:07:45,695 --> 00:07:47,615 Speaker 2: that's been on the city since December. 152 00:07:47,695 --> 00:07:50,455 Speaker 1: First, well, let's talk about what it's been like. Four 153 00:07:50,495 --> 00:07:53,415 Speaker 1: people in the city since Ice agents, and I believe 154 00:07:53,415 --> 00:07:55,935 Speaker 1: there's up to three thousand ICE agents in the city 155 00:07:56,015 --> 00:07:59,415 Speaker 1: at the moment who have been forcefully grabbing people off 156 00:07:59,415 --> 00:08:02,455 Speaker 1: the street. We've seen stories of small children being taken 157 00:08:02,495 --> 00:08:05,935 Speaker 1: into custody, some as young as five. In one video, 158 00:08:06,015 --> 00:08:08,735 Speaker 1: we saw a man pleading from behind his screen door 159 00:08:09,175 --> 00:08:11,775 Speaker 1: the return of his child, which ICE agents refused to 160 00:08:11,815 --> 00:08:16,375 Speaker 1: do until he came out and showed id it looks 161 00:08:16,575 --> 00:08:19,495 Speaker 1: really shocking the footage, and we'll get to the two 162 00:08:19,495 --> 00:08:22,015 Speaker 1: people who've sadly lost their lives in this as well shortly. 163 00:08:22,055 --> 00:08:25,855 Speaker 1: But it's really shocking. Is it as bad as what 164 00:08:25,895 --> 00:08:29,175 Speaker 1: we're seeing on media reports and via our social media. 165 00:08:29,735 --> 00:08:32,775 Speaker 2: It's interesting you ask it that way, because I would 166 00:08:32,814 --> 00:08:35,415 Speaker 2: have said, you know, a week ago, prior to the 167 00:08:35,415 --> 00:08:38,775 Speaker 2: shooting death of Alex Preddy, that there are a number 168 00:08:38,775 --> 00:08:41,695 Speaker 2: of people that do go about their lives and work 169 00:08:41,855 --> 00:08:46,655 Speaker 2: and called grocery shopping, but there are obviously pockets of 170 00:08:46,735 --> 00:08:51,695 Speaker 2: communities where the agents arrive and recavoc And just to 171 00:08:51,775 --> 00:08:55,334 Speaker 2: kind of explain to listeners what happens is when an 172 00:08:55,375 --> 00:08:58,495 Speaker 2: ICE agent or i should say several of them arrive 173 00:08:58,615 --> 00:09:05,615 Speaker 2: on scene. Oftentimes they're in vans or SUVs, unmarked, and 174 00:09:05,655 --> 00:09:09,135 Speaker 2: then they gather and when neighbors see that they're in 175 00:09:09,415 --> 00:09:13,375 Speaker 2: a community a neighborhood, they'll text or they will put 176 00:09:13,455 --> 00:09:18,055 Speaker 2: on social media that they're there. So soon after they 177 00:09:18,255 --> 00:09:22,575 Speaker 2: arrive at a spot, people will arrive and start to 178 00:09:22,695 --> 00:09:28,934 Speaker 2: videotape what's happening, also blowing whistles and screaming at them 179 00:09:29,175 --> 00:09:33,135 Speaker 2: to leave that this has all just been very disruptive 180 00:09:33,175 --> 00:09:36,335 Speaker 2: to everyone, and that's what happened when renee Good died. 181 00:09:36,935 --> 00:09:41,055 Speaker 2: She was there essentially trying to get out of the way, 182 00:09:41,215 --> 00:09:43,655 Speaker 2: but she was also there as an observer trying to 183 00:09:43,695 --> 00:09:49,054 Speaker 2: protect immigrants in the Twin Cities from being taken into custody. 184 00:09:49,375 --> 00:09:51,855 Speaker 1: Let's talk about renee Good's death to start with. It 185 00:09:51,855 --> 00:09:55,175 Speaker 1: happened back on January seventh, and this seems to have 186 00:09:55,215 --> 00:09:59,415 Speaker 1: been repeated in Alex Pretty's death as well, in that 187 00:09:59,455 --> 00:10:02,815 Speaker 1: what happened and what the White House reported happened and 188 00:10:02,855 --> 00:10:05,455 Speaker 1: then what we saw on video footage don't seem to 189 00:10:05,655 --> 00:10:08,655 Speaker 1: quite match up. So the White House claimed that renee 190 00:10:08,655 --> 00:10:11,255 Speaker 1: Good tried to ram an Ice agent with her car, 191 00:10:12,295 --> 00:10:14,855 Speaker 1: and then the video footage seems to show her trying 192 00:10:14,855 --> 00:10:17,775 Speaker 1: to flee from the Ice agent, who then opens fire. 193 00:10:19,015 --> 00:10:21,895 Speaker 1: Do we know exactly what happened and is that being investigated? 194 00:10:22,295 --> 00:10:26,334 Speaker 2: The renee Good incident is being investigated. However, that's also 195 00:10:26,375 --> 00:10:31,175 Speaker 2: been a void of contention, clear that the federal agents 196 00:10:31,335 --> 00:10:38,455 Speaker 2: are not allowing Minnesota investigators officers to investigate the crime. 197 00:10:38,575 --> 00:10:44,135 Speaker 2: They've blocked state investigators from being part of the process 198 00:10:44,175 --> 00:10:47,735 Speaker 2: collecting evidence looking at tape. So that's very much up 199 00:10:47,775 --> 00:10:51,055 Speaker 2: in the air the Renee Good case as what happened 200 00:10:51,095 --> 00:10:57,135 Speaker 2: with Alex Pretty last Saturday. The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, 201 00:10:57,215 --> 00:11:00,814 Speaker 2: it's a state unit that comes in and investigates use 202 00:11:00,855 --> 00:11:05,215 Speaker 2: of force incidences here and across the country. They came 203 00:11:05,535 --> 00:11:08,615 Speaker 2: immediately after the shooting death of Alex Pretty, and they 204 00:11:08,655 --> 00:11:11,775 Speaker 2: were turned away and told by the federal government to 205 00:11:11,895 --> 00:11:15,855 Speaker 2: leave that they would be doing the investigation. So at 206 00:11:15,855 --> 00:11:20,694 Speaker 2: this point, another side of the story, as we continue 207 00:11:21,015 --> 00:11:24,455 Speaker 2: through this is what's happening in federal court. There are 208 00:11:24,495 --> 00:11:28,535 Speaker 2: two different cases in federal court, one of which would 209 00:11:28,615 --> 00:11:35,295 Speaker 2: allow Minnesota investigators to take part in the investigation. The 210 00:11:35,335 --> 00:11:40,735 Speaker 2: second would ask at the federal government preserve and maintain 211 00:11:40,855 --> 00:11:44,694 Speaker 2: the integrity of any evidence that it's collected. 212 00:11:45,015 --> 00:11:49,255 Speaker 1: Thus far, this seems to be, especially in the Alex 213 00:11:49,295 --> 00:11:55,175 Speaker 1: Pretty case, a really interesting look at Americans and their 214 00:11:55,215 --> 00:11:58,615 Speaker 1: relationship with law enforcement, because we were told in the 215 00:11:58,655 --> 00:12:02,775 Speaker 1: aftermath of Alex Preddy's death that witnesses to that were 216 00:12:02,815 --> 00:12:08,095 Speaker 1: also arrested at the scene, despite seemingly their only crime 217 00:12:08,135 --> 00:12:11,855 Speaker 1: being that they witnessed a potential crime, and that one 218 00:12:11,895 --> 00:12:14,335 Speaker 1: witness has since come out and said that she's terrified 219 00:12:14,375 --> 00:12:16,775 Speaker 1: to return home because she's being told that ICE agents 220 00:12:16,775 --> 00:12:21,535 Speaker 1: are waiting for her. Does this feel like a moment 221 00:12:21,575 --> 00:12:28,055 Speaker 1: in time where Americans are seeing that even privileged won't 222 00:12:28,095 --> 00:12:32,895 Speaker 1: protect them potentially from coming under the hammer of ICE 223 00:12:32,935 --> 00:12:34,295 Speaker 1: agents in this city. 224 00:12:34,815 --> 00:12:40,095 Speaker 2: Absolutely that no one is safe, and particularly if you 225 00:12:40,215 --> 00:12:46,175 Speaker 2: get involved, because many people feel very, very emotional and 226 00:12:46,335 --> 00:12:53,255 Speaker 2: compelled to witness what is essentially lawless behavior by ICE agents. 227 00:12:53,335 --> 00:12:57,535 Speaker 2: They're going into homes without warrants, They're taking people out 228 00:12:57,535 --> 00:13:02,575 Speaker 2: of their car. Basically, they're throwing people around. You've seen 229 00:13:02,695 --> 00:13:08,175 Speaker 2: video where they're dragging people. What citizens in Minneapolis and 230 00:13:08,255 --> 00:13:12,295 Speaker 2: from other parts of Minnesota are here is to record that, 231 00:13:12,935 --> 00:13:15,975 Speaker 2: to make sure that it's duly noted of what's happening. 232 00:13:16,455 --> 00:13:16,695 Speaker 1: Now. 233 00:13:16,735 --> 00:13:19,455 Speaker 3: I will tell you that after the alex Pretty. 234 00:13:19,255 --> 00:13:24,775 Speaker 2: Shooting, people were so mad because the day before you 235 00:13:24,815 --> 00:13:26,975 Speaker 2: may or may not know this, there were about ten 236 00:13:27,215 --> 00:13:33,735 Speaker 2: thousand people in Minneapolis on a very cold day that 237 00:13:33,935 --> 00:13:39,255 Speaker 2: marched about a mile from our football stadium to our 238 00:13:39,335 --> 00:13:43,255 Speaker 2: basketball stadium and they had a rally inside and it 239 00:13:43,295 --> 00:13:46,735 Speaker 2: was quite peaceful with songs and there was a sense of, 240 00:13:47,375 --> 00:13:50,855 Speaker 2: you know, sort of togetherness that as a community, people 241 00:13:50,895 --> 00:13:53,974 Speaker 2: will get through this and then to wake up Saturday 242 00:13:54,335 --> 00:14:00,375 Speaker 2: morning to have this shooting again. So the people that 243 00:14:00,535 --> 00:14:06,615 Speaker 2: came after the shooting and the clash with authority that 244 00:14:06,735 --> 00:14:12,215 Speaker 2: became quite contentious, and I would say maybe I would 245 00:14:12,295 --> 00:14:14,695 Speaker 2: say violent to a degree. There was a lot of 246 00:14:14,935 --> 00:14:19,575 Speaker 2: tear gas thrown. There was a lot of throwing of 247 00:14:19,735 --> 00:14:25,135 Speaker 2: objects because I think people basically here are exhausted and 248 00:14:25,735 --> 00:14:29,295 Speaker 2: obviously just floored that it would happen again. 249 00:14:30,455 --> 00:14:34,615 Speaker 1: Is there a concern that things could escalate? I mean, 250 00:14:34,695 --> 00:14:37,375 Speaker 1: now it seems like there are moves to de escalate 251 00:14:37,415 --> 00:14:42,255 Speaker 1: this situation. We've seen Donald Trump remove certain players from 252 00:14:42,495 --> 00:14:44,975 Speaker 1: the scene. That Greg Bavino, who's been sort of at 253 00:14:44,975 --> 00:14:47,695 Speaker 1: the forefront of the tactics that I had been using 254 00:14:48,095 --> 00:14:50,615 Speaker 1: and that also controversial, is being removed, and that others 255 00:14:50,655 --> 00:14:53,535 Speaker 1: are coming in Tom Holman, who's referred to as the Borders, 256 00:14:53,575 --> 00:14:55,775 Speaker 1: who's a bit more moderate, that maybe things will start 257 00:14:55,815 --> 00:14:58,855 Speaker 1: to settle down. But was there at any stage a 258 00:14:59,255 --> 00:15:03,615 Speaker 1: thought that maybe things would escalate and that writing would happen, 259 00:15:03,855 --> 00:15:07,015 Speaker 1: or that citizens would start to things into their own hands. 260 00:15:07,175 --> 00:15:10,535 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's kind of It's a bit speculative, to 261 00:15:10,575 --> 00:15:15,855 Speaker 2: be honest, because the turning point feels like it has 262 00:15:15,935 --> 00:15:19,815 Speaker 2: been alex pretty and that to have Greg Bovino gone, 263 00:15:20,215 --> 00:15:24,615 Speaker 2: to have Tom Horman coming, to have Christinome sort of 264 00:15:24,655 --> 00:15:30,575 Speaker 2: stepping away, stepping aside. It feels like the regime that 265 00:15:30,735 --> 00:15:34,935 Speaker 2: was in control before and was sort of reckless and 266 00:15:36,215 --> 00:15:42,415 Speaker 2: running around doing whatever they wanted is gone. So I 267 00:15:42,575 --> 00:15:45,935 Speaker 2: think maybe had it been unchecked, had it continued like this, 268 00:15:46,055 --> 00:15:51,215 Speaker 2: had nobody stepped in, it could have gotten to that point. 269 00:15:52,215 --> 00:15:54,655 Speaker 2: But in terms of you know, are we where are 270 00:15:54,655 --> 00:15:57,055 Speaker 2: we now? Is there a riot point? I would say not, 271 00:15:58,335 --> 00:15:59,935 Speaker 2: And that's very on it. That's fair. 272 00:16:00,255 --> 00:16:03,935 Speaker 1: There's a lot happening legally in the background after all 273 00:16:03,975 --> 00:16:06,375 Speaker 1: of the things that have happened in Manipolis, a lot 274 00:16:06,415 --> 00:16:10,535 Speaker 1: of lawsuits and including judges who are considering whether it 275 00:16:10,615 --> 00:16:12,975 Speaker 1: is legal for ICE to enter into cities and do 276 00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:13,615 Speaker 1: what they do. 277 00:16:14,375 --> 00:16:16,455 Speaker 3: But there's also a. 278 00:16:16,415 --> 00:16:20,295 Speaker 1: Point now where Congress will potentially step in and will 279 00:16:20,375 --> 00:16:23,095 Speaker 1: lead to a government shutdown as they refuse to agree 280 00:16:23,175 --> 00:16:29,215 Speaker 1: to funding for homeland security, which includes ICE's objectives. Do 281 00:16:29,255 --> 00:16:33,455 Speaker 1: we see that as something that could actually shift the 282 00:16:33,535 --> 00:16:38,255 Speaker 1: situation now that defunding of this department could help well? 283 00:16:38,375 --> 00:16:44,215 Speaker 2: Right now during after President Trump's big he called it 284 00:16:44,335 --> 00:16:48,855 Speaker 2: beautiful bill. Right now, DHS and ICE actually has more 285 00:16:48,935 --> 00:16:54,095 Speaker 2: funding than the FBI, so ICE is very well funded 286 00:16:54,255 --> 00:16:57,895 Speaker 2: right now. The vaulte that they're looking at this week 287 00:16:58,175 --> 00:17:02,055 Speaker 2: would be additional funding, which is where our Senator Amy 288 00:17:02,135 --> 00:17:05,135 Speaker 2: Flowaschar and other Democrats in the state of said they'll 289 00:17:05,175 --> 00:17:05,815 Speaker 2: block that. 290 00:17:05,935 --> 00:17:07,015 Speaker 3: They won't vote for that. 291 00:17:07,935 --> 00:17:14,094 Speaker 2: To get resolution to what's happening in Minnesota, there's already 292 00:17:14,574 --> 00:17:17,895 Speaker 2: some steps that are being taken. Again. I go back 293 00:17:17,895 --> 00:17:21,574 Speaker 2: to Tom Holman being here and Greg Bevino gone. I 294 00:17:21,655 --> 00:17:26,094 Speaker 2: want to say, maybe cooler heads prevail, Maybe there's more 295 00:17:26,375 --> 00:17:30,414 Speaker 2: order to what's being done, perhaps an examination of what 296 00:17:30,935 --> 00:17:36,415 Speaker 2: is happening and understanding that this can't continue. 297 00:17:37,215 --> 00:17:41,334 Speaker 1: Susan, do you feel like this situation has changed Minneapolis? 298 00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:44,014 Speaker 1: Has it changed the people in the community. Do you 299 00:17:44,054 --> 00:17:47,375 Speaker 1: feel like the impact will be long lasting? I mean, 300 00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:50,655 Speaker 1: even just be yourself as someone who has was bull 301 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:53,815 Speaker 1: and they grew up there and understands the community. Well, 302 00:17:54,254 --> 00:17:55,894 Speaker 1: has this changed people? 303 00:17:56,655 --> 00:17:57,134 Speaker 3: I think so. 304 00:17:57,415 --> 00:18:01,774 Speaker 2: I think what it has done is taken up all 305 00:18:01,854 --> 00:18:08,614 Speaker 2: the air friends, relatives. In fact, in my family, I 306 00:18:08,734 --> 00:18:12,975 Speaker 2: have one sister who is a Trump supporter, and I 307 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:16,814 Speaker 2: have a sister that has children who are brown that 308 00:18:16,814 --> 00:18:20,655 Speaker 2: were adopted from South America who now are carrying around 309 00:18:20,655 --> 00:18:24,815 Speaker 2: their passports for fear of being deported or detained. So 310 00:18:24,895 --> 00:18:31,414 Speaker 2: it's caused strife and division in families. It's exhausting to 311 00:18:31,614 --> 00:18:36,615 Speaker 2: constantly have it be on all of our minds all 312 00:18:36,695 --> 00:18:41,534 Speaker 2: the time. And again, some people pay attention more than others. 313 00:18:41,655 --> 00:18:45,334 Speaker 2: There are probably people that have it in the back 314 00:18:45,334 --> 00:18:47,935 Speaker 2: of their mind and maybe just it's there, but it's 315 00:18:47,975 --> 00:18:52,215 Speaker 2: not at their focus. And then there's other others who 316 00:18:52,215 --> 00:18:56,134 Speaker 2: are very emotionally involved, very close to it, particularly if 317 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:59,734 Speaker 2: you're an immigrant, or if you're just a Hispanic or 318 00:19:00,294 --> 00:19:04,855 Speaker 2: Somali or we had a congress person from California come 319 00:19:04,854 --> 00:19:08,774 Speaker 2: who is East Indian. His parents emigrated here, so I 320 00:19:08,774 --> 00:19:12,294 Speaker 2: mean Minnesota, let's just step back. The United States is 321 00:19:12,294 --> 00:19:19,294 Speaker 2: made of immigrants, so a lot of people are frustrated. 322 00:19:19,854 --> 00:19:21,975 Speaker 2: And yes, I do think it will have a long 323 00:19:22,054 --> 00:19:24,894 Speaker 2: term impact, and it's also been really sad. I have 324 00:19:24,975 --> 00:19:27,415 Speaker 2: to say that I've been here a long time. I've 325 00:19:27,415 --> 00:19:31,695 Speaker 2: worked at the radio station for thirty years. And when 326 00:19:31,734 --> 00:19:35,094 Speaker 2: George Floyd, you might remember that name, was killed at 327 00:19:35,094 --> 00:19:38,774 Speaker 2: the hands of a Minneapolis police officer George Floyd being black, 328 00:19:39,574 --> 00:19:44,374 Speaker 2: the police officer Derek Chauvin White. For several days, the 329 00:19:44,494 --> 00:19:51,014 Speaker 2: cities was up in arms, rioting, fires, looting. I mean, 330 00:19:51,135 --> 00:19:57,375 Speaker 2: that was intense and short lived, and the rage against 331 00:19:57,455 --> 00:20:04,854 Speaker 2: Minneapolis police was profound. Since then, hundreds of Minneapolis police 332 00:20:04,854 --> 00:20:10,094 Speaker 2: officers that we're a part of the George Floyd situation quit. 333 00:20:10,695 --> 00:20:14,215 Speaker 2: So right now we have six hundred Minneapolis police officers 334 00:20:14,854 --> 00:20:19,215 Speaker 2: in a city that's actually just starting to come together 335 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:22,974 Speaker 2: and feel a sense of healing. That that's in our 336 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:28,334 Speaker 2: rear view mirror, that George Floyd, the pandemic, and now 337 00:20:28,375 --> 00:20:31,415 Speaker 2: to have this happen and the reputation of the state 338 00:20:31,494 --> 00:20:37,054 Speaker 2: being this lawless place where people are rioting and screaming 339 00:20:37,094 --> 00:20:43,094 Speaker 2: and people are being abducted or detained with no legal recourse. 340 00:20:44,014 --> 00:20:46,814 Speaker 2: It's going to take a while too. This will be 341 00:20:46,854 --> 00:20:49,574 Speaker 2: in the news for a while and that's exhausting. As 342 00:20:49,655 --> 00:20:49,894 Speaker 2: you know. 343 00:20:50,734 --> 00:20:52,575 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you to you something that we 344 00:20:53,375 --> 00:20:57,414 Speaker 1: from an Australian perspective, when we look at America and 345 00:20:57,494 --> 00:21:01,414 Speaker 1: the right to bear arms and the constitutional rights that 346 00:21:01,455 --> 00:21:06,214 Speaker 1: are so closely protected that seem to be challenged, especially 347 00:21:06,254 --> 00:21:09,294 Speaker 1: with this situation with Alex Pretty he was carrying a firearm, 348 00:21:09,294 --> 00:21:12,095 Speaker 1: which he's absolutely legally within his rights to do so, 349 00:21:12,534 --> 00:21:15,814 Speaker 1: and that's been used against him as a reason for 350 00:21:15,895 --> 00:21:21,774 Speaker 1: them opening fire on him. Does that affect Americans sort 351 00:21:21,774 --> 00:21:25,054 Speaker 1: of down to their constitutional core, because that's how we 352 00:21:25,094 --> 00:21:28,494 Speaker 1: see it, that the defense of being able to bear 353 00:21:28,614 --> 00:21:31,854 Speaker 1: arms seems to be something that America struggles with but 354 00:21:31,935 --> 00:21:36,895 Speaker 1: also protects quite fiercely. Like does that impact who you 355 00:21:37,014 --> 00:21:41,135 Speaker 1: see yourself as when your constitutional rights are then used 356 00:21:41,175 --> 00:21:41,614 Speaker 1: against you? 357 00:21:42,215 --> 00:21:47,654 Speaker 2: Well, a constitutional crisis that's happening here in Minnesota is 358 00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:52,615 Speaker 2: not just the Second Amendment, I mean, it's several amendments 359 00:21:52,614 --> 00:21:56,614 Speaker 2: are being trampled on. Several rights are being trampled on. 360 00:21:56,774 --> 00:22:01,215 Speaker 2: In addition to blaming Alex Pratty for having a gun, 361 00:22:01,294 --> 00:22:03,534 Speaker 2: which was his right and he was a legal owner 362 00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:09,615 Speaker 2: to conceal and carry, I mean, Minnesota gun rights coalition, 363 00:22:09,854 --> 00:22:12,774 Speaker 2: the Caucus here has come out in support of Alex 364 00:22:12,814 --> 00:22:16,254 Speaker 2: Pretty also to show there was so much video, as 365 00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:21,215 Speaker 2: you know, video of an agent taking the gun from 366 00:22:21,334 --> 00:22:26,734 Speaker 2: him before being shot, so sort of disarming him and 367 00:22:26,774 --> 00:22:31,215 Speaker 2: then shooting him eight to ten times. So that has 368 00:22:31,294 --> 00:22:35,855 Speaker 2: been another are Sadly, it's another arguing point, well, why 369 00:22:35,895 --> 00:22:38,094 Speaker 2: did he bring a gun? And you know you blame 370 00:22:38,215 --> 00:22:42,374 Speaker 2: him for being killed, whereas there's so much evidence, at 371 00:22:42,455 --> 00:22:44,935 Speaker 2: least the video we've all seen of that gun being 372 00:22:44,975 --> 00:22:46,814 Speaker 2: taken away and then the shots fired. 373 00:22:47,334 --> 00:22:50,574 Speaker 1: Susan, I just wanted to ask you finally, as someone 374 00:22:50,614 --> 00:22:57,014 Speaker 1: who's been reporting news for decades now, is this situation 375 00:22:59,135 --> 00:23:01,574 Speaker 1: more shocking to you than anything else that's happened in 376 00:23:01,614 --> 00:23:05,574 Speaker 1: your city over the last twenty years, Like, how how 377 00:23:05,655 --> 00:23:08,134 Speaker 1: of you process this as someone who has to provide 378 00:23:08,175 --> 00:23:09,574 Speaker 1: information to the community. 379 00:23:10,375 --> 00:23:14,014 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's been the most profound event I've 380 00:23:14,054 --> 00:23:15,975 Speaker 2: ever covered in my life. And I've covered a lot 381 00:23:16,014 --> 00:23:21,894 Speaker 2: of stuff. I've covered very sad stories, I've covered joyous stories, 382 00:23:22,294 --> 00:23:25,455 Speaker 2: and what I think, to a person, at least to 383 00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:31,975 Speaker 2: a person who's watching, it felt very much helpless, hopeless. 384 00:23:32,534 --> 00:23:35,135 Speaker 2: There was just a sense like, oh my gosh, can 385 00:23:35,175 --> 00:23:40,694 Speaker 2: they really just come here and recavoc on the city, 386 00:23:41,854 --> 00:23:45,174 Speaker 2: no holds barred, with no accountability. It felt like that. 387 00:23:45,294 --> 00:23:47,175 Speaker 2: It felt like they were just here and they were 388 00:23:47,175 --> 00:23:49,294 Speaker 2: going to do what they want. And also it was 389 00:23:49,375 --> 00:23:53,815 Speaker 2: hard to as a journalist here. As you said earlier 390 00:23:53,814 --> 00:23:58,455 Speaker 2: in this interview, Christinom and Greg Uvino recounting a very 391 00:23:58,494 --> 00:24:02,094 Speaker 2: different story of what was actually seen on the video, 392 00:24:02,334 --> 00:24:04,734 Speaker 2: and so it didn't look like it was ever going 393 00:24:04,774 --> 00:24:06,814 Speaker 2: to stop. And it was also very frustrating as a 394 00:24:06,895 --> 00:24:10,494 Speaker 2: journalist to have Christinolman and Greg Bavino say things that 395 00:24:10,734 --> 00:24:14,535 Speaker 2: were absolutely contradictory to the video that everyone saw and 396 00:24:14,574 --> 00:24:18,855 Speaker 2: what our responsibility was and continues to be as journalists. 397 00:24:18,935 --> 00:24:21,254 Speaker 1: Susan, thank you so much for taking the time to 398 00:24:21,254 --> 00:24:22,054 Speaker 1: speak to us today. 399 00:24:22,054 --> 00:24:24,534 Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. Thank you my pleasure. 400 00:24:26,734 --> 00:24:28,534 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with 401 00:24:28,614 --> 00:24:31,294 Speaker 1: us today. The Quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy 402 00:24:31,294 --> 00:24:34,894 Speaker 1: and Taylor Strano. Our Group executive producer is Alaria Brophy, 403 00:24:35,014 --> 00:24:42,014 Speaker 1: with audio production by Lou Hill. Mumma Mea acknowledges the 404 00:24:42,054 --> 00:24:44,934 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 405 00:24:44,975 --> 00:24:45,575 Speaker 1: recorded on.