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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck.

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Speaker 1: And I'm am Vernon, and it's the episode.

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Speaker 2: That everybody wants.

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Speaker 1: I've got food in my tea because I've just finished un.

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely cut that out. It's very rom com, leading,

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Speaker 2: lady of you.

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Speaker 1: It actually is.

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Speaker 2: I'm very cute see it from here.

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Speaker 1: I'm always eating, okay, but you ain't. I'm always eating,

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Speaker 1: and yet every time a gusta wood comes, I fall

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Speaker 2: But I mean, that is the good thing about the

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Speaker 2: show we're talking about today nobody wants this season two

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Speaker 2: is that it is a rom com, but it doesn't

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Speaker 2: lean heavily into those tried and trude rom com tropes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you never see Kristen Bells, even though she is a

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Speaker 2: bit of a I'm not like the other girls. She

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Speaker 2: away in a breeze after I mean she could, she could,

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Speaker 2: she could, so Yes, Welcome to our brilliant honest review

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Speaker 2: of Nobody Wants This Season two on Netflix Freaking News.

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Speaker 3: You're in a psychotically annoying relationship.

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Speaker 2: Wait to be call our single list.

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Speaker 3: Just feel bad, But a relationship isn't solid until you're

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Speaker 3: out of the honeymoon pace, when you.

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Speaker 2: Merge your lives and you blend your friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Noah and I figuring out how to be a Wii.

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Speaker 1: Hello, you're converting into Judaism.

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Speaker 2: No, we're going to do the whole like interface thing. Ah. Well,

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Speaker 2: do you guys want a sidebar? This still after dinner?

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Speaker 2: If you're near here and you've just popped in for

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Speaker 2: the first time, well, Gourdelin's Wow, what an episode to

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Speaker 2: come in on. But brilliant. Honest reviews is where we

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Speaker 2: do a huge deep dive and analysis and opinion on

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Speaker 2: the one new TV show or movie that everyone is

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Speaker 2: So there's going to be spoilers galore. Just be aware.

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Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure everyone who's here has watched this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've watched it three times because I watched it twice

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Speaker 2: before we did our review because we had the screwters

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Speaker 2: for ages, and we did get that from that time,

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Speaker 2: and I see different things every time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I've watched it once, but I've watched it all.

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Speaker 2: Obviously one of us cares more about this podcast now.

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Speaker 2: I thank god it's me.

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Speaker 1: I think it's two cares more so.

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Speaker 2: Starting off with where we find ourselves in season two.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I kind of forgot what happened in

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Speaker 1: season one is a good way to do it, which

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Speaker 1: is also one of the best episodes of TV. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting knowing how behind the scenes I think

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Speaker 2: the creator, Aaron Foster, who the daughter of a kind

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Speaker 1: Which is a good story to tell that not all

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Speaker 2: Someone them just sit with their money and start side businesses.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to speak disrespectfully the Foster sisters because

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Speaker 2: One day, she was telling her manager about this story

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Speaker 1: The only main difference, she says, is that she's actually

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Speaker 2: They wanted Nick Kroll, the comedian, and he turned it. Yeah, krall,

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Speaker 1: Can't even imagine this series with Nick Kroll.

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Speaker 2: Lena Dunham did like the Letting Letter together and all

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Speaker 1: It's kind of knowing, kind of like a childish Gambino

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Speaker 2: They've gone their separate ways. They're not creative partners anymore.

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Speaker 2: Her vision for this season was that she didn't want

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Speaker 2: we have where we find these characters in season two,

430
00:18:23,144 --> 00:18:25,984
Speaker 2: Joanne and Noah coming out of the honeymoon phase, which

431
00:18:25,984 --> 00:18:26,704
Speaker 2: is where we had them in.

432
00:18:26,664 --> 00:18:28,984
Speaker 1: Season one, which is also very clever to do in

433
00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:31,344
Speaker 1: the first episode because I thought the point of contention

434
00:18:31,584 --> 00:18:33,904
Speaker 1: was the three of them, Yeah, but we actually find

435
00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:36,584
Speaker 1: out the point of contention is Joanne and Noah still

436
00:18:36,624 --> 00:18:38,184
Speaker 1: not defining what their relationship is.

437
00:18:38,264 --> 00:18:40,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just finding themselves. Now they're in that stage

438
00:18:40,504 --> 00:18:43,104
Speaker 2: where like, as they say, about to merge their lives,

439
00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:47,744
Speaker 2: but still this huge obstacle between them hasn't been solved. Yeah,

440
00:18:47,744 --> 00:18:49,824
Speaker 2: and not even the obstacle of just her being Jewish,

441
00:18:49,944 --> 00:18:52,224
Speaker 2: like her being like we're ready to move in, and

442
00:18:52,264 --> 00:18:55,144
Speaker 2: he's not him wanting her to be this perfect person

443
00:18:55,184 --> 00:18:57,664
Speaker 2: in her wanting him to kind of see her as

444
00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:59,744
Speaker 2: a person, not just as a girlfriend who needs like

445
00:18:59,784 --> 00:19:02,744
Speaker 2: a box ticked off and all these things. So yes,

446
00:19:02,784 --> 00:19:04,144
Speaker 2: then we progressed through the season.

447
00:19:04,424 --> 00:19:06,784
Speaker 1: Oh my god. As we progressed through the season, the

448
00:19:06,824 --> 00:19:10,944
Speaker 1: whole overarching issue is the exact same over watching issue

449
00:19:10,944 --> 00:19:14,144
Speaker 1: at season one on like will she convert? Or when

450
00:19:14,264 --> 00:19:17,544
Speaker 1: she convert? And when will she convert? Yeah, and between

451
00:19:17,664 --> 00:19:20,784
Speaker 1: that you see them also ignoring that, whereas like in

452
00:19:20,824 --> 00:19:23,864
Speaker 1: season one, it was very much another character like her

453
00:19:24,144 --> 00:19:26,544
Speaker 1: either converting to Judaism or not. But now it's like

454
00:19:26,624 --> 00:19:28,704
Speaker 1: kind of seen as like this ghost in the past,

455
00:19:28,984 --> 00:19:31,464
Speaker 1: but or that is always the issue in all of

456
00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:35,624
Speaker 1: their arguments, and with both of them, I think I

457
00:19:35,624 --> 00:19:37,024
Speaker 1: really don't want to say that because I want people

458
00:19:37,024 --> 00:19:37,624
Speaker 1: will get angry.

459
00:19:37,704 --> 00:19:39,184
Speaker 2: No say it. This is a safe space. You have

460
00:19:39,184 --> 00:19:39,904
Speaker 2: to say whatever you think.

461
00:19:39,944 --> 00:19:41,904
Speaker 1: Throughout the whole season, I found both of them so

462
00:19:42,064 --> 00:19:45,144
Speaker 1: deeply unlikable. Really, that is.

463
00:19:45,104 --> 00:19:47,544
Speaker 2: So interesting because they were not written to be that way,

464
00:19:47,624 --> 00:19:50,304
Speaker 2: Like Aaron Foster wanted you to be more immersed in

465
00:19:50,384 --> 00:19:53,104
Speaker 2: their love story this time around. What did you find

466
00:19:53,184 --> 00:19:55,984
Speaker 2: unlikable about them? Do you think you find them unlikable because.

467
00:19:56,384 --> 00:19:59,184
Speaker 1: They firstly, I can't guess their age.

468
00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:01,704
Speaker 2: Okay, that is interesting and a lot of people have

469
00:20:01,744 --> 00:20:03,064
Speaker 2: an issue with that, so and.

470
00:20:03,064 --> 00:20:05,184
Speaker 1: I have a huge issue with that, and I usually never.

471
00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:09,144
Speaker 1: I think it's because if it's like a generation older

472
00:20:09,184 --> 00:20:11,064
Speaker 1: than me or a generation young them, and let's take

473
00:20:11,104 --> 00:20:13,704
Speaker 1: Sex and the City and like Stranger Things, right, they're

474
00:20:13,744 --> 00:20:15,904
Speaker 1: so out of my world? Did I just see them

475
00:20:16,024 --> 00:20:19,024
Speaker 1: as like women who's like my mum's generation and like kids,

476
00:20:19,544 --> 00:20:22,864
Speaker 1: whereas like when it's like these twenties thirties, like early

477
00:20:22,984 --> 00:20:25,904
Speaker 1: forties era. Yeah, I want to know their age because

478
00:20:25,904 --> 00:20:27,704
Speaker 1: I want to compare myself to them.

479
00:20:28,304 --> 00:20:30,184
Speaker 2: Yes, I do see what you're saying, So I can't

480
00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:32,624
Speaker 2: do that again. Frustrated Bell and Adam Brody are both

481
00:20:32,704 --> 00:20:35,504
Speaker 2: in their early forties in the show. They are meant

482
00:20:35,504 --> 00:20:39,304
Speaker 2: to be in their late ish thirties, is how they

483
00:20:39,384 --> 00:20:41,704
Speaker 2: have described it. So thirty seven thirty.

484
00:20:41,464 --> 00:20:42,264
Speaker 1: Eight, okay.

485
00:20:42,424 --> 00:20:45,504
Speaker 2: I remember when Kristen Bell and Adam Brody went on

486
00:20:45,864 --> 00:20:48,944
Speaker 2: her husband Dak Shepherd's podcast before the start of last season,

487
00:20:49,144 --> 00:20:52,224
Speaker 2: and that was his big gripe because he said, are

488
00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:55,904
Speaker 2: you going to explain why your characters are single? And

489
00:20:56,064 --> 00:20:57,704
Speaker 2: I wrote a huge piece about this as the time

490
00:20:57,744 --> 00:21:00,504
Speaker 2: that went a little bit viral because they both said no,

491
00:21:00,544 --> 00:21:02,384
Speaker 2: why would win He's like, well, you can't have two

492
00:21:02,504 --> 00:21:05,584
Speaker 2: forty year old to a single and not explain how

493
00:21:05,624 --> 00:21:08,584
Speaker 2: they could possibly be single. And I took a lot

494
00:21:08,584 --> 00:21:09,864
Speaker 2: of issue with that. I'm like, because I'm like, that

495
00:21:09,984 --> 00:21:11,664
Speaker 2: is believable. I don't think it needed to be a

496
00:21:11,664 --> 00:21:13,744
Speaker 2: plot point that look at these crazy people that are

497
00:21:13,744 --> 00:21:15,864
Speaker 2: hot and single, yeah and forty.

498
00:21:15,824 --> 00:21:17,984
Speaker 1: But like, how is it possible that two people can

499
00:21:18,024 --> 00:21:18,304
Speaker 1: be So.

500
00:21:18,384 --> 00:21:20,144
Speaker 2: He's like, he's like, something has happened to both of

501
00:21:20,184 --> 00:21:21,984
Speaker 2: them that they've ended up like this, and why isn't

502
00:21:21,984 --> 00:21:25,024
Speaker 2: that being addressed? And I liked Kristen Bell and Adam

503
00:21:25,024 --> 00:21:27,184
Speaker 2: Brodie's response that have being like nothing has happened to them,

504
00:21:27,224 --> 00:21:29,664
Speaker 2: this is just how their lives have unfolded. But then

505
00:21:29,744 --> 00:21:31,584
Speaker 2: in this season they made it more clear that they're

506
00:21:31,584 --> 00:21:36,024
Speaker 2: in their late thirties, which realistically does for any any

507
00:21:36,024 --> 00:21:38,624
Speaker 2: person dating at a different layer. They do touch in

508
00:21:38,664 --> 00:21:41,024
Speaker 2: it when Joanne says like, I can't wait around anymore.

509
00:21:41,064 --> 00:21:42,504
Speaker 2: How old do you think I am? And then she's like,

510
00:21:42,544 --> 00:21:43,144
Speaker 2: don't answer that.

511
00:21:43,384 --> 00:21:43,704
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
00:21:43,744 --> 00:21:45,944
Speaker 2: It's also an interesting thing because I think Kristen Bell

513
00:21:45,984 --> 00:21:48,824
Speaker 2: and Adam Brodie can both play mid thirties, like they

514
00:21:48,824 --> 00:21:50,544
Speaker 2: could play mid thirties or forties, like it's such a

515
00:21:50,544 --> 00:21:53,064
Speaker 2: gray area. Yeah, But Kristen Bell has a thing that

516
00:21:53,144 --> 00:21:55,624
Speaker 2: her hands look like the hands of a fifty year old,

517
00:21:56,064 --> 00:21:58,584
Speaker 2: and her friends have said that that's true, and so

518
00:21:58,664 --> 00:22:02,104
Speaker 2: they have to retouch them in all the scenes so

519
00:22:02,144 --> 00:22:05,944
Speaker 2: that she doesn't look older than she is early forties.

520
00:22:06,464 --> 00:22:08,144
Speaker 1: And so you can't get botox in your hands.

521
00:22:08,304 --> 00:22:09,704
Speaker 2: You can't get botox in your hands. That's why I

522
00:22:09,704 --> 00:22:12,824
Speaker 2: put some scrim my hands every day. Little note to

523
00:22:12,904 --> 00:22:15,464
Speaker 2: listens is that, yes, you can't fix your hands, and

524
00:22:15,504 --> 00:22:19,184
Speaker 2: they are they giveaway of age, and she's she's particularly

525
00:22:19,584 --> 00:22:22,304
Speaker 2: nervous about that. So they retouch her hands in a

526
00:22:22,304 --> 00:22:24,384
Speaker 2: lot of different projects, not out of vanity, just not

527
00:22:24,464 --> 00:22:26,224
Speaker 2: to make her look otherwise. They have to explain why

528
00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:29,264
Speaker 2: she's fifty, and even to the point where her assistant,

529
00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:31,624
Speaker 2: she said, her assistant will sometimes see photos where her

530
00:22:31,624 --> 00:22:34,424
Speaker 2: hands have it been retouched, like press images or red

531
00:22:34,424 --> 00:22:36,384
Speaker 2: carpet photos, and will like zoom in on them and

532
00:22:36,424 --> 00:22:39,064
Speaker 2: send them to her. They got your hands, they got

533
00:22:39,064 --> 00:22:40,704
Speaker 2: your hand. So I looked at her hands the other day,

534
00:22:40,864 --> 00:22:42,464
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I actually don't think they're that bad,

535
00:22:42,504 --> 00:22:45,304
Speaker 2: but I don't know I need Yeah, Okay, afterwards we

536
00:22:45,344 --> 00:22:48,824
Speaker 2: all google Christen Bell's hands. So the point is they're

537
00:22:48,824 --> 00:22:50,984
Speaker 2: meant to be in their late thirty Yeah, and it

538
00:22:51,504 --> 00:22:54,904
Speaker 2: should add a huge extra layer to their relationship. But

539
00:22:54,944 --> 00:22:57,464
Speaker 2: I know what you mean. It doesn't. Yeah, and it's

540
00:22:57,504 --> 00:22:59,864
Speaker 2: really is that refreshing her is unrealistic.

541
00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:02,984
Speaker 1: It makes me more angry. And not to the Sunset,

542
00:23:03,064 --> 00:23:06,704
Speaker 1: because they're like both unrealistic, but to the Saandset, they're

543
00:23:06,744 --> 00:23:11,544
Speaker 1: acting like they're in a relationship in their early tw twenties. Yes, yes,

544
00:23:11,944 --> 00:23:14,104
Speaker 1: like the red flags and stuff like these are stuff

545
00:23:14,104 --> 00:23:17,184
Speaker 1: that you figure out in your early twenties, and especially

546
00:23:17,264 --> 00:23:19,864
Speaker 1: the way Noah acts and how he treats her like

547
00:23:19,984 --> 00:23:22,504
Speaker 1: every other relationship he's ever been there and she has

548
00:23:22,584 --> 00:23:25,304
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm a different person. You have to

549
00:23:25,344 --> 00:23:28,544
Speaker 1: treat me like me and he's like, oh, what do

550
00:23:28,624 --> 00:23:28,984
Speaker 1: you mean?

551
00:23:29,944 --> 00:23:31,944
Speaker 2: What I know? It's like are you getting the ink?

552
00:23:31,984 --> 00:23:33,344
Speaker 2: Because you think he's a bit of a man child.

553
00:23:33,824 --> 00:23:35,824
Speaker 2: He is such like the child the Rise of the

554
00:23:35,864 --> 00:23:38,584
Speaker 2: trad Son that we're seeing. He's like a has a job,

555
00:23:38,584 --> 00:23:39,904
Speaker 2: but then he's unemployed.

556
00:23:39,464 --> 00:23:41,144
Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't like my job. I'm moving

557
00:23:41,184 --> 00:23:43,264
Speaker 1: to a different one. I don't like this one either.

558
00:23:43,424 --> 00:23:44,784
Speaker 2: What do I do? Like?

559
00:23:44,784 --> 00:23:45,544
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

560
00:23:46,144 --> 00:23:47,904
Speaker 2: So you have the EQUI with Noah. I do.

561
00:23:47,984 --> 00:23:49,304
Speaker 1: I think I have the equ with both of them

562
00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:52,224
Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, because and she's also the same.

563
00:23:52,304 --> 00:23:54,344
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you mean you need a night off?

564
00:23:54,624 --> 00:23:56,104
Speaker 2: But isn't that the point of being out of the

565
00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:59,544
Speaker 2: honeymoon phase of all those issues rise to the surface.

566
00:23:59,664 --> 00:24:02,944
Speaker 1: That's I think what makes me scared because I have

567
00:24:03,064 --> 00:24:05,424
Speaker 1: been in relationship, but I've never left the honeymoon phase,

568
00:24:05,464 --> 00:24:07,784
Speaker 1: like the relationship will always end before we get to

569
00:24:07,784 --> 00:24:08,424
Speaker 1: the real stuff.

570
00:24:08,464 --> 00:24:10,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't got to the phase where it's like,

571
00:24:10,984 --> 00:24:15,304
Speaker 2: should we like completely metalized, moving together, joint bank account,

572
00:24:15,384 --> 00:24:16,144
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff.

573
00:24:16,184 --> 00:24:18,904
Speaker 1: This season did not make me want to ever do that.

574
00:24:22,104 --> 00:24:24,824
Speaker 1: It's not a really good ad for relationships at all.

575
00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:26,584
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some good things.

576
00:24:26,704 --> 00:24:30,064
Speaker 2: The most romantic, well they're making pasta No, that was upsetting,

577
00:24:30,784 --> 00:24:33,824
Speaker 2: especially the bike ride. Okay, we'll get to that. He'd

578
00:24:33,824 --> 00:24:35,704
Speaker 2: want a completely different feel like I was watching a

579
00:24:35,704 --> 00:24:39,504
Speaker 2: horror movie watching that, Watching the vala hike a nighttime hike.

580
00:24:39,744 --> 00:24:43,544
Speaker 2: Absolutely not so. No, the most romantic moment in the

581
00:24:43,584 --> 00:24:47,424
Speaker 2: whole both seasons of nobody wants this to say. Yeah,

582
00:24:47,744 --> 00:24:50,224
Speaker 2: everyone thinks it's the first kiss in the first episode,

583
00:24:50,304 --> 00:24:51,864
Speaker 2: or when he runs to her at the bar mits

584
00:24:51,904 --> 00:24:54,184
Speaker 2: for at the end of the first episode. It's actually

585
00:24:54,184 --> 00:24:57,184
Speaker 2: the scene where they go into the bedroom and she

586
00:24:57,344 --> 00:24:59,864
Speaker 2: sees that he has built her nightstand, and she jumps

587
00:24:59,944 --> 00:25:02,944
Speaker 2: onto him and they had the most passionate kiss. One

588
00:25:02,944 --> 00:25:04,544
Speaker 2: of the best becauses I've ever seen on TV. Is

589
00:25:04,584 --> 00:25:08,024
Speaker 2: it felt so real because he had built her nightstand. Yeah,

590
00:25:08,064 --> 00:25:10,184
Speaker 2: it's so simple. Didn't you think when I saw that that,

591
00:25:10,504 --> 00:25:12,384
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I'm all in with this couple.

592
00:25:12,464 --> 00:25:15,144
Speaker 2: I truly am back on board with their chemistry. It's

593
00:25:15,184 --> 00:25:17,784
Speaker 2: early on, but it's so needed because so many, as

594
00:25:17,784 --> 00:25:19,744
Speaker 2: you're saying, kind of shitty things go on between them,

595
00:25:19,744 --> 00:25:21,904
Speaker 2: and their behavior is bad. I think you need those

596
00:25:21,904 --> 00:25:25,104
Speaker 2: little hits of the rom com to remind you why

597
00:25:25,104 --> 00:25:25,464
Speaker 2: we're here.

598
00:25:25,544 --> 00:25:28,824
Speaker 1: That's true. I like, yeah, I really like the nightstand scene,

599
00:25:29,464 --> 00:25:30,504
Speaker 1: and then they just went down there.

600
00:25:31,104 --> 00:25:33,784
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, let's move on to the Valentine's Dacy. No.

601
00:25:34,624 --> 00:25:37,224
Speaker 2: I know. I was watching it through. I was watching

602
00:25:37,264 --> 00:25:38,864
Speaker 2: it like when we go to the movies together and

603
00:25:38,904 --> 00:25:41,024
Speaker 2: you watch a scary movie. I was watching it like this,

604
00:25:41,024 --> 00:25:43,704
Speaker 2: this is awful. I hated so much. I guess it

605
00:25:43,784 --> 00:25:47,664
Speaker 2: also feels very realistic. They come into it with very

606
00:25:47,664 --> 00:25:50,904
Speaker 2: different expectations. It's almost fun that they're it's kind of

607
00:25:50,944 --> 00:25:53,464
Speaker 2: reversed because normally it would be the female character in

608
00:25:53,544 --> 00:25:56,224
Speaker 2: a TV show who wants Valentine's Day to be this

609
00:25:56,264 --> 00:25:58,624
Speaker 2: perfect thing that she grew up thinking of and that

610
00:25:58,744 --> 00:26:01,384
Speaker 2: she's seen the movies, and it would be the male

611
00:26:01,464 --> 00:26:03,504
Speaker 2: character being like, let's just chill. It doesn't have to

612
00:26:03,544 --> 00:26:05,744
Speaker 2: be a big deal. Let's not put it on. And

613
00:26:05,784 --> 00:26:07,304
Speaker 2: I liked that it was role reversed.

614
00:26:07,504 --> 00:26:09,744
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that. I also found it really

615
00:26:09,744 --> 00:26:10,824
Speaker 1: sweet that he her.

616
00:26:10,744 --> 00:26:12,824
Speaker 2: A full card and that was really cute, and he

617
00:26:12,864 --> 00:26:15,424
Speaker 2: wanted a card and she didn't even read it. It's

618
00:26:15,464 --> 00:26:18,544
Speaker 2: right there, love Joan. That's me giving gifts. By the way.

619
00:26:19,104 --> 00:26:20,544
Speaker 2: It's like even though I'm a writer, like you know,

620
00:26:20,664 --> 00:26:23,584
Speaker 2: like it's either I either write nothing or three thousand. Yeah,

621
00:26:23,624 --> 00:26:24,624
Speaker 2: but there is no in between.

622
00:26:24,704 --> 00:26:27,384
Speaker 1: The card thing was then immediately juxtaposed with the actual

623
00:26:27,384 --> 00:26:30,304
Speaker 1: gifts they got each other. Yeah, Like her gift was

624
00:26:30,464 --> 00:26:34,384
Speaker 1: very like would probably be a Valentine's gift i'd give someone, Like,

625
00:26:34,424 --> 00:26:36,584
Speaker 1: it's not a birthday gift, it's not a Christmas gift.

626
00:26:36,624 --> 00:26:39,384
Speaker 1: It's like that gift that you know they'll like really

627
00:26:39,464 --> 00:26:41,584
Speaker 1: laugh at and like have a good memory when they

628
00:26:41,624 --> 00:26:41,984
Speaker 1: see it.

629
00:26:42,424 --> 00:26:45,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whereas his was like, oh he just

630
00:26:45,504 --> 00:26:48,424
Speaker 2: it is also such a guy thing to be like, firstly,

631
00:26:48,624 --> 00:26:51,224
Speaker 2: ugly necklace, Okay, that's so mean. Do you know why

632
00:26:51,224 --> 00:26:53,824
Speaker 2: that necklace is in the show. Why Because Jen Maya,

633
00:26:53,904 --> 00:26:57,104
Speaker 2: the designer, is best friends with the Foster sisters. That's

634
00:26:57,184 --> 00:26:58,264
Speaker 2: their best friend's necklace.

635
00:26:58,304 --> 00:27:01,944
Speaker 1: So they put in the show, and you just it

636
00:27:01,944 --> 00:27:04,424
Speaker 1: it's meant to be a lovely nod to their friend.

637
00:27:04,504 --> 00:27:07,664
Speaker 2: It's not. Okay, it's like a pluck Yeah, Okay, that

638
00:27:07,704 --> 00:27:11,784
Speaker 2: woman was married Tomigi's enough. She's been through enough. She

639
00:27:11,824 --> 00:27:13,424
Speaker 2: doesn't need you to rubbish her jewelry collection.

640
00:27:13,504 --> 00:27:17,264
Speaker 1: And she's been through a lot, including bad jewelry.

641
00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:20,344
Speaker 2: So you just know, it just feels so realistic, like

642
00:27:20,424 --> 00:27:21,624
Speaker 2: such a statement.

643
00:27:24,504 --> 00:27:24,664
Speaker 3: I got.

644
00:27:24,664 --> 00:27:27,504
Speaker 1: You don't be something like like a dainty like Jay.

645
00:27:27,984 --> 00:27:30,104
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually thought what she pulled out was gonna

646
00:27:30,104 --> 00:27:31,584
Speaker 2: be like his initial.

647
00:27:31,304 --> 00:27:32,984
Speaker 1: That would have been worse like teer Troy.

648
00:27:33,224 --> 00:27:38,384
Speaker 2: Yeah, musical. I had a friend who's then fiance gave

649
00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:40,424
Speaker 2: her a nameplate necklace with his name on it, and

650
00:27:40,464 --> 00:27:40,864
Speaker 2: she was like.

651
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:41,784
Speaker 1: With the fishful name.

652
00:27:41,904 --> 00:27:44,384
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I'm not wearing that. That's so weird

653
00:27:44,464 --> 00:27:45,904
Speaker 2: own a ship. That's what I thought it was going

654
00:27:45,984 --> 00:27:48,064
Speaker 2: to be, and was Joanne. I'm like, that's slightly better.

655
00:27:48,824 --> 00:27:50,144
Speaker 2: But you can just tell her he did that for

656
00:27:50,144 --> 00:27:51,784
Speaker 2: a girlfriend fifteen years ago and she had like a

657
00:27:51,824 --> 00:27:54,904
Speaker 2: great reaction, and he just bought them ever since. He

658
00:27:54,904 --> 00:27:57,264
Speaker 2: hasn't account at the store. He goes and they're like, what.

659
00:27:57,224 --> 00:27:57,904
Speaker 1: He's gonna tap?

660
00:27:58,024 --> 00:28:01,464
Speaker 2: He's got what name? This year at the lah and

661
00:28:01,544 --> 00:28:05,824
Speaker 2: my store just goes in and Selexi's necklace.

662
00:28:06,064 --> 00:28:07,184
Speaker 1: He righted himself.

663
00:28:08,024 --> 00:28:10,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they know him all that. It's cute. They

664
00:28:10,904 --> 00:28:11,584
Speaker 2: wrap it for.

665
00:28:11,544 --> 00:28:15,304
Speaker 1: Him because she's like every other girl who aggressively stalks

666
00:28:15,304 --> 00:28:19,544
Speaker 1: their partner's exes. She immediately knew that that necklace was

667
00:28:19,544 --> 00:28:20,784
Speaker 1: the exact same one he got Rebecca.

668
00:28:20,984 --> 00:28:22,984
Speaker 2: That was the best part. I just love also the

669
00:28:23,024 --> 00:28:25,624
Speaker 2: character of Rebecca that she comes back because in another

670
00:28:25,744 --> 00:28:27,704
Speaker 2: universe she's the main character.

671
00:28:27,944 --> 00:28:28,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she was.

672
00:28:28,744 --> 00:28:31,464
Speaker 2: Daneis guy who just made her think that they were

673
00:28:31,464 --> 00:28:34,384
Speaker 2: in this amazing relationship. She thought they were getting married,

674
00:28:34,424 --> 00:28:36,224
Speaker 2: and then he dumbs her at the last second and

675
00:28:36,304 --> 00:28:39,064
Speaker 2: has this new like blond bimbo girlfriend and she has

676
00:28:39,064 --> 00:28:40,784
Speaker 2: to go off and like discover herself and has this

677
00:28:40,784 --> 00:28:43,304
Speaker 2: big adventure like in another world she's the star.

678
00:28:43,344 --> 00:28:46,144
Speaker 1: And then he calls her so he can get closure.

679
00:28:46,424 --> 00:28:50,784
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I mean. I want the Rebecca version

680
00:28:50,824 --> 00:28:52,664
Speaker 2: of this. I want her to be the lead character

681
00:28:52,744 --> 00:28:54,584
Speaker 2: another show, just because I feel like she's got a

682
00:28:54,584 --> 00:28:59,064
Speaker 2: better story to tell.

683
00:28:57,264 --> 00:29:02,064
Speaker 1: Like in Summer Time, Pretty Lazy Man, all these women

684
00:29:02,104 --> 00:29:05,224
Speaker 1: being pushed aside when they're the lead characters, and it's

685
00:29:05,224 --> 00:29:07,104
Speaker 1: like funny because like she like when I saw Rebecca,

686
00:29:07,104 --> 00:29:08,664
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's me in the movie.

687
00:29:08,904 --> 00:29:13,264
Speaker 2: That's me, I know, and be the main character with

688
00:29:13,384 --> 00:29:14,864
Speaker 2: all the Rebecca on the inside.

689
00:29:15,224 --> 00:29:19,184
Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting about that Valentine's A episode

690
00:29:19,944 --> 00:29:25,744
Speaker 1: was traditionally Morgan and Joanne do Valentine's A Lunch boozy lunch.

691
00:29:25,544 --> 00:29:29,664
Speaker 2: Together drunk since in middle school drunk.

692
00:29:29,424 --> 00:29:31,824
Speaker 1: Lunch, and for the first time they didn't do it.

693
00:29:32,424 --> 00:29:35,384
Speaker 1: And I think the reason they allowed each other to

694
00:29:35,384 --> 00:29:37,944
Speaker 1: not do it was because they're both in relationships. I

695
00:29:37,944 --> 00:29:41,824
Speaker 1: feel like if Morgan wasn't with doctor Andy, that would

696
00:29:41,824 --> 00:29:44,864
Speaker 1: be a whole, massive, big issue.

697
00:29:45,624 --> 00:29:50,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like forgoing your big sister's tradition that you

698
00:29:50,384 --> 00:29:52,304
Speaker 2: have on that day it which sounds so fun. By

699
00:29:52,344 --> 00:29:53,704
Speaker 2: the way, it's so much want to be a drunk

700
00:29:53,784 --> 00:29:55,544
Speaker 2: lunch with them than pastor making.

701
00:29:55,704 --> 00:29:58,384
Speaker 1: Yeah, ill, I got the egg from all of them

702
00:29:58,504 --> 00:29:58,824
Speaker 1: in that.

703
00:29:59,064 --> 00:30:01,144
Speaker 2: And to Joan's credit, you can see that she's trying

704
00:30:01,144 --> 00:30:02,904
Speaker 2: so hard to be the girl who wants to be

705
00:30:03,024 --> 00:30:04,264
Speaker 2: the Valentine's.

706
00:30:03,704 --> 00:30:05,424
Speaker 1: They when they get there, she's like, oh, why don't

707
00:30:05,424 --> 00:30:05,904
Speaker 1: look like that.

708
00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:09,184
Speaker 2: She's like with their hair and makeup and the pasta

709
00:30:09,264 --> 00:30:11,624
Speaker 2: making and stuff, but is like Morgan's going through the

710
00:30:11,664 --> 00:30:12,144
Speaker 2: same thing.

711
00:30:12,504 --> 00:30:13,144
Speaker 1: Yeah.

712
00:30:13,544 --> 00:30:15,664
Speaker 2: Again, there's a there's a world in which this is

713
00:30:15,704 --> 00:30:18,144
Speaker 2: the worst episode of TV we've ever seen, because, in

714
00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:21,504
Speaker 2: a nutshell, what we are seeing is two beautiful, blonde

715
00:30:21,504 --> 00:30:24,744
Speaker 2: white women being showered with love and affection by their

716
00:30:24,744 --> 00:30:28,144
Speaker 2: doting boyfriends, and they're both angry about it. And then

717
00:30:28,584 --> 00:30:30,624
Speaker 2: the magic of the writing is that we feel sorry

718
00:30:30,624 --> 00:30:32,984
Speaker 2: for that. Yeah, I just realized that. I'm like, why

719
00:30:33,024 --> 00:30:34,464
Speaker 2: am I? I'm like, oh, these women are really having

720
00:30:34,464 --> 00:30:37,024
Speaker 2: a tough day. Oh my boyfriend named flowers after me.

721
00:30:37,144 --> 00:30:39,464
Speaker 2: Oh he had he had someone paint me. Oh, you

722
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:42,104
Speaker 2: got me a bubble bath with his brother's bubble machine,

723
00:30:42,104 --> 00:30:44,704
Speaker 2: which brings in that bart scene was gross, which brings

724
00:30:44,824 --> 00:30:46,544
Speaker 2: there is nothing with bars, and sometimes they sound like

725
00:30:46,544 --> 00:30:49,024
Speaker 2: that's just sexy idea, and the reality of it sometimes

726
00:30:49,144 --> 00:30:50,584
Speaker 2: is it's just really hot and uncomfortable.

727
00:30:51,104 --> 00:30:52,904
Speaker 1: And then if you like try to push your foot

728
00:30:53,104 --> 00:30:55,584
Speaker 1: against the bar, then it makes that really loud noise.

729
00:30:59,464 --> 00:31:03,224
Speaker 2: And once they're like, what do we do? Yeah, it's

730
00:31:03,264 --> 00:31:05,144
Speaker 2: not cute and it's not sexy, and it does make

731
00:31:05,144 --> 00:31:05,904
Speaker 2: your face really hot.

732
00:31:06,064 --> 00:31:16,304
Speaker 3: Yeah, so really, so, the relationship I was most invested

733
00:31:16,624 --> 00:31:19,984
Speaker 3: in this series was Sasha and Essa.

734
00:31:20,024 --> 00:31:21,984
Speaker 1: And this is also kind of like an inkling of

735
00:31:22,024 --> 00:31:24,824
Speaker 1: what I thought their ages were, which were like mid

736
00:31:24,864 --> 00:31:27,984
Speaker 1: to late thirties, was because they have a teenage daughter,

737
00:31:28,024 --> 00:31:30,544
Speaker 1: like a preteen daughter, and they were also having a

738
00:31:30,544 --> 00:31:32,904
Speaker 1: discussion on whether they wanted to have another baby, and

739
00:31:32,944 --> 00:31:35,784
Speaker 1: the discussion was very much like it's so easily possible,

740
00:31:35,784 --> 00:31:37,904
Speaker 1: which is why I assume they were in their mid thirties.

741
00:31:38,064 --> 00:31:41,144
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And you kind of get the idea that,

742
00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:43,744
Speaker 2: which is something wasn't touched on the first season. You

743
00:31:43,824 --> 00:31:45,264
Speaker 2: kind of get a bit more of their backstory when

744
00:31:45,264 --> 00:31:46,784
Speaker 2: they go to a picnic bench, which I thought was

745
00:31:46,824 --> 00:31:50,024
Speaker 2: interesting of the fact that they were friends for a

746
00:31:50,024 --> 00:31:50,544
Speaker 2: long time.

747
00:31:50,664 --> 00:31:53,184
Speaker 1: The picnic was actually such a good It was such

748
00:31:53,224 --> 00:31:55,184
Speaker 1: a good plot because you learned so much about the camera.

749
00:31:55,224 --> 00:31:56,744
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we fell in love here, and we

750
00:31:56,744 --> 00:31:58,424
Speaker 2: were so young with songings, so you get the idea.

751
00:31:58,544 --> 00:32:00,544
Speaker 2: They fell in love, they got pregnant, they had to

752
00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:04,384
Speaker 2: get married really quickly or they potentially wouldn't have kept dating,

753
00:32:04,384 --> 00:32:06,984
Speaker 2: which is such an interesting plot twist to their characters

754
00:32:07,264 --> 00:32:10,264
Speaker 2: and explained so much about their relationship that they were

755
00:32:10,464 --> 00:32:12,944
Speaker 2: probably be married with her kid since they were twenty Yeah,

756
00:32:12,944 --> 00:32:15,064
Speaker 2: which means they could be only thirty three, thirty four.

757
00:32:15,184 --> 00:32:16,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true.

758
00:32:16,664 --> 00:32:19,224
Speaker 2: And it does meet Noah in his twenties. That checks out.

759
00:32:20,744 --> 00:32:21,864
Speaker 1: No one's in his twenties.

760
00:32:22,024 --> 00:32:24,704
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm just saying this timeline is.

761
00:32:24,784 --> 00:32:26,064
Speaker 1: He's acting like a sixteen year old.

762
00:32:27,064 --> 00:32:28,784
Speaker 2: I feel like we're in a Christopher Nolan movie trying

763
00:32:28,784 --> 00:32:33,144
Speaker 2: to work out just all these different things working and

764
00:32:33,144 --> 00:32:33,744
Speaker 2: they don't line up.

765
00:32:33,864 --> 00:32:35,264
Speaker 1: It's like a different dimension.

766
00:32:35,384 --> 00:32:37,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Interstellar, Like there's something like we fold

767
00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:39,424
Speaker 2: the paper and we stick a pencil through and then

768
00:32:39,464 --> 00:32:43,624
Speaker 2: you figure out that nobody wants this timeline. Thank god.

769
00:32:43,664 --> 00:32:44,984
Speaker 2: I just really want them to know the ages.

770
00:32:45,064 --> 00:32:49,424
Speaker 1: But anyway, Sasha and Esta's relationship is so it's really

771
00:32:49,464 --> 00:32:53,704
Speaker 1: important to me because they're both so so sad and

772
00:32:53,784 --> 00:32:56,184
Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for both of them, Like I

773
00:32:56,224 --> 00:32:59,424
Speaker 1: want them to be together so badly, but I also

774
00:32:59,584 --> 00:33:02,664
Speaker 1: know that they need to grow on their own. Yeah,

775
00:33:02,784 --> 00:33:05,104
Speaker 1: and you learn that from like early on, and he's

776
00:33:05,224 --> 00:33:07,904
Speaker 1: so obsessed with her, he's so in love with her.

777
00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:10,184
Speaker 1: He tries, he did, he learned to dance for her.

778
00:33:10,664 --> 00:33:13,824
Speaker 2: So that dance is based off the dance that Aaron

779
00:33:13,904 --> 00:33:17,824
Speaker 2: Foster's husband surprised her with at their wedding to the

780
00:33:17,904 --> 00:33:20,704
Speaker 2: same song, to the Ariana Grande song. Oh my god,

781
00:33:20,904 --> 00:33:23,464
Speaker 2: I know, and she was like, I loved it. She's like,

782
00:33:23,504 --> 00:33:26,584
Speaker 2: I can't post it because he can't really dance, whereas

783
00:33:27,024 --> 00:33:29,184
Speaker 2: Sasha can actually do it. So it's meant to He

784
00:33:29,264 --> 00:33:31,024
Speaker 2: kind of pulls off a little bit, but that's a

785
00:33:31,024 --> 00:33:33,064
Speaker 2: real moment from her life that she wanted to pull in.

786
00:33:33,104 --> 00:33:34,624
Speaker 2: It's like, this is what a man will do for you,

787
00:33:34,704 --> 00:33:36,704
Speaker 2: because that's how lived experience. She's like, if a man

788
00:33:36,784 --> 00:33:40,024
Speaker 2: loves you, if he really loves you, he will choreograph

789
00:33:40,024 --> 00:33:41,864
Speaker 2: a dance to an Ariana Grande song and do it

790
00:33:41,904 --> 00:33:43,344
Speaker 2: in front of you and other people.

791
00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:45,824
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, I mean he couldn't do it in

792
00:33:45,864 --> 00:33:48,464
Speaker 1: front of other people when he tried again, Yeah, kept

793
00:33:48,464 --> 00:33:51,744
Speaker 1: getting her wrong. But he loves her so much and

794
00:33:51,744 --> 00:33:54,184
Speaker 1: he wants to be with her and try everything to

795
00:33:54,224 --> 00:33:58,424
Speaker 1: make their relationship work, and she just can't. Like she

796
00:33:58,784 --> 00:34:02,304
Speaker 1: just is so so sad in her situation. And I

797
00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:04,264
Speaker 1: think it's so true how she keeps coming back what

798
00:34:04,304 --> 00:34:06,104
Speaker 1: you said in the beginning, She keeps coming back to

799
00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:09,784
Speaker 1: how she's not fun. Yeah, and like that would hurt

800
00:34:09,864 --> 00:34:12,864
Speaker 1: so much, Like people like being a fun person. Then

801
00:34:12,984 --> 00:34:16,144
Speaker 1: that's completely disappearing from your personality.

802
00:34:15,664 --> 00:34:16,784
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden you're just seen as the

803
00:34:16,824 --> 00:34:19,704
Speaker 2: mom and the housewife. And yeah, fine thing because even

804
00:34:19,744 --> 00:34:21,664
Speaker 2: she does it in like the beginning of season one,

805
00:34:21,824 --> 00:34:24,344
Speaker 2: she's like, I could have fucked Ada Levine, remember that. Yeah,

806
00:34:24,504 --> 00:34:26,704
Speaker 2: he's like what She's like, you know this baby, Come on,

807
00:34:28,144 --> 00:34:30,184
Speaker 2: She's like, I just want everyone to know that I

808
00:34:30,224 --> 00:34:32,344
Speaker 2: could have been a cool, fun party girl, but I've

809
00:34:32,344 --> 00:34:33,264
Speaker 2: been pulled into this.

810
00:34:33,824 --> 00:34:37,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so sad. And I think their relationship

811
00:34:37,904 --> 00:34:42,104
Speaker 1: in particular, like the way it kind of ended but

812
00:34:42,184 --> 00:34:45,744
Speaker 1: not really ended in the last episode, is just so

813
00:34:45,904 --> 00:34:48,224
Speaker 1: telling to like the love and respect they have for

814
00:34:48,304 --> 00:34:51,504
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, and how even like Morgan like being there,

815
00:34:52,064 --> 00:34:54,424
Speaker 1: like Esther doesn't like her at all, but she's not

816
00:34:54,464 --> 00:34:57,064
Speaker 1: seen as a threat, Like Esther's so secure with him

817
00:34:57,584 --> 00:34:59,224
Speaker 1: that Morgan's never a threat to her.

818
00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:02,384
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Like she never actually worries that he's cheating

819
00:35:02,384 --> 00:35:04,464
Speaker 2: on her. Yeah, she just doesn't want him to have

820
00:35:04,504 --> 00:35:07,544
Speaker 2: a fun, secret life with her, and she doesn't want

821
00:35:07,984 --> 00:35:11,064
Speaker 2: him to have it and she not have it, yeah exactly. Yeah,

822
00:35:11,104 --> 00:35:13,464
Speaker 2: And I feel like I got really upset and the

823
00:35:13,464 --> 00:35:16,184
Speaker 2: way their relationship kind of ended, And it's interesting how

824
00:35:16,224 --> 00:35:18,184
Speaker 2: they bread crumb that through this season, like with the

825
00:35:18,344 --> 00:35:23,144
Speaker 2: Perum episode, the Jewish Halloween, how it's the first year

826
00:35:23,144 --> 00:35:25,304
Speaker 2: she doesn't want to come as Esther because she doesn't

827
00:35:25,304 --> 00:35:27,424
Speaker 2: want to any she doesn't want to be herself anymore.

828
00:35:27,624 --> 00:35:33,584
Speaker 1: So she's yeah, yeah, so coming to Morgan. Which I

829
00:35:33,584 --> 00:35:36,424
Speaker 1: feel like her character was a very much standalone character

830
00:35:36,464 --> 00:35:39,224
Speaker 1: in the season, where in the first season I really

831
00:35:39,264 --> 00:35:42,064
Speaker 1: tied her with Sasha. Yeah, like she always did like

832
00:35:42,144 --> 00:35:45,064
Speaker 1: scenes either with Joanne and they were too or Sasha

833
00:35:45,104 --> 00:35:46,904
Speaker 1: and they were too Yeah, And I feel like in

834
00:35:46,944 --> 00:35:50,024
Speaker 1: this season they really left her onto her own devices,

835
00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:52,384
Speaker 1: and she was able to kind of develop by herself.

836
00:35:52,704 --> 00:35:54,544
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that is what made this season

837
00:35:54,624 --> 00:35:56,824
Speaker 2: quite strong, is that it wasn't a centered on just

838
00:35:56,904 --> 00:35:59,704
Speaker 2: Joanne and Noah as the first season was. It became

839
00:35:59,744 --> 00:36:02,304
Speaker 2: more of an ensemble piece, which I think to have

840
00:36:02,344 --> 00:36:05,744
Speaker 2: sustainability as a show, you quite need. What's also interesting

841
00:36:05,784 --> 00:36:08,184
Speaker 2: and what I think if anyone who's feeling, as you're saying,

842
00:36:08,184 --> 00:36:12,264
Speaker 2: like a little bit lackluster about the Joanne and Noah romance,

843
00:36:12,824 --> 00:36:14,944
Speaker 2: the way to kind of rejig the season your head

844
00:36:15,024 --> 00:36:18,544
Speaker 2: is that Kristen Bell and Justine Lupe, who played the sisters,

845
00:36:19,064 --> 00:36:22,184
Speaker 2: went into this show seeing that this season was a

846
00:36:22,184 --> 00:36:25,104
Speaker 2: love story about them. It was about their relationship. So

847
00:36:25,144 --> 00:36:27,304
Speaker 2: they didn't know each other in the first season. Justin

848
00:36:27,464 --> 00:36:30,384
Speaker 2: was just casting the show after Kristin and they became

849
00:36:30,984 --> 00:36:33,304
Speaker 2: very very close friends. They spent all that like a

850
00:36:33,304 --> 00:36:35,624
Speaker 2: lot of their free time together. Justin's always saying because

851
00:36:35,624 --> 00:36:37,224
Speaker 2: she had a baby and she's always hanging out Kristen

852
00:36:37,224 --> 00:36:39,784
Speaker 2: Bell's house, to the point where she knows that like

853
00:36:40,144 --> 00:36:42,864
Speaker 2: Kristen Bell's love language is a bit of like attention,

854
00:36:43,024 --> 00:36:45,984
Speaker 2: which can manifest through pranks. So she have you heard

855
00:36:45,984 --> 00:36:49,384
Speaker 2: about this. So at the start of filming, Justin lupey

856
00:36:49,744 --> 00:36:52,344
Speaker 2: of Season two started filming two, Justin Lupe set up

857
00:36:52,424 --> 00:36:55,944
Speaker 2: a very elaborate April Fool's Day prank on Kristin Bell

858
00:36:56,304 --> 00:36:59,584
Speaker 2: that she had to set up six weeks before April

859
00:36:59,584 --> 00:37:00,344
Speaker 2: Fool's Day and.

860
00:37:00,464 --> 00:37:02,904
Speaker 1: It's giving Brooklyn nine nine yeah, yeah, no.

861
00:37:02,704 --> 00:37:05,944
Speaker 2: No, the stakes of this, the props. Every single person

862
00:37:06,064 --> 00:37:08,384
Speaker 2: was on the cast was in on it except Kristin Bell.

863
00:37:08,744 --> 00:37:10,944
Speaker 2: So one day she casually dropped that she'd started this

864
00:37:10,984 --> 00:37:13,384
Speaker 2: new trend of drinking her own urine. I know it's

865
00:37:13,384 --> 00:37:15,064
Speaker 2: actually and you know me, this is grosses me out

866
00:37:15,064 --> 00:37:16,664
Speaker 2: to tell the story, but it's quite funny. And she

867
00:37:16,864 --> 00:37:21,104
Speaker 2: systematically kept that going, and she had printed out fake

868
00:37:21,144 --> 00:37:23,504
Speaker 2: websites she would show Christina Bell. She would bring Mason

869
00:37:23,584 --> 00:37:25,264
Speaker 2: jars of her urine. Like she'd go into the corner

870
00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:27,304
Speaker 2: and say like like to hey, could you just been

871
00:37:27,344 --> 00:37:28,864
Speaker 2: that jar in my room down? Thanks? All these things

872
00:37:28,864 --> 00:37:30,504
Speaker 2: where she didn't even know if Kristin was watching her.

873
00:37:30,544 --> 00:37:32,584
Speaker 2: She just had to believe she was who and she

874
00:37:32,664 --> 00:37:34,304
Speaker 2: built it up. She built it up, she built it up,

875
00:37:34,304 --> 00:37:36,824
Speaker 2: and on April Fool's Day, she came to set, she

876
00:37:36,864 --> 00:37:39,144
Speaker 2: wasn't filming, and she came to Kristin Bell this is

877
00:37:39,264 --> 00:37:42,744
Speaker 2: disgusting with this huge cooler of jars of what she

878
00:37:42,864 --> 00:37:44,744
Speaker 2: said that was her own urine, and she's like, I

879
00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:48,144
Speaker 2: saved these batches for you. They're so healthy, and Kristin

880
00:37:48,184 --> 00:37:50,824
Speaker 2: had been believing. Kristin had been calling doctors and friends

881
00:37:50,824 --> 00:37:53,224
Speaker 2: and being like, I'm really worried about Justine. She's doing

882
00:37:53,264 --> 00:37:55,624
Speaker 2: this thing like it was a whole thing, and then

883
00:37:55,704 --> 00:37:58,424
Speaker 2: she had at that moment Kristen Bell died. She's like, Justine,

884
00:37:58,464 --> 00:38:00,464
Speaker 2: I cannot drink your urine. I love you so much,

885
00:38:00,504 --> 00:38:02,984
Speaker 2: Please stop this. You need help. And then Justine's like

886
00:38:02,984 --> 00:38:06,024
Speaker 2: April falls and the whole cart started like clapping, and

887
00:38:06,064 --> 00:38:08,824
Speaker 2: then Kristen Bell' said I've never felt more loved. Oh

888
00:38:08,864 --> 00:38:10,744
Speaker 2: my god, I would have killed that person. Well, I

889
00:38:10,744 --> 00:38:14,424
Speaker 2: would have had a remove from set before that. We

890
00:38:14,464 --> 00:38:16,624
Speaker 2: replaced her character that if the character got killed off,

891
00:38:16,704 --> 00:38:19,104
Speaker 2: the character that death that we wanted the first season.

892
00:38:19,144 --> 00:38:21,824
Speaker 2: It's happened. Now. It's a weird way to show love,

893
00:38:21,944 --> 00:38:23,264
Speaker 2: but it's how they show love.

894
00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:26,184
Speaker 1: And it's see the good thing about that is that

895
00:38:26,504 --> 00:38:29,784
Speaker 1: Justin knew that was Kristen's love language. Yea, And that's

896
00:38:29,784 --> 00:38:31,064
Speaker 1: what you meant to do. You meant to know the

897
00:38:31,064 --> 00:38:34,104
Speaker 1: person's love language and then cater towards that person. You

898
00:38:34,104 --> 00:38:37,744
Speaker 1: don't put your own love language on them. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Noah,

899
00:38:37,864 --> 00:38:38,944
Speaker 1: Noah could learn a few things.

900
00:38:38,944 --> 00:38:41,744
Speaker 2: I want that to me. But this season is very

901
00:38:41,824 --> 00:38:44,544
Speaker 2: much about them, and so you see them go through this. Obviously,

902
00:38:44,584 --> 00:38:46,744
Speaker 2: they had some issues in season one that whole like

903
00:38:46,864 --> 00:38:50,104
Speaker 2: lie over what Rebecca told them Rebecca our girl, causing

904
00:38:50,144 --> 00:38:54,744
Speaker 2: trouble all the time, But this season the issue between

905
00:38:54,784 --> 00:38:56,224
Speaker 2: them is a lot deeper than that, and the fact

906
00:38:56,264 --> 00:38:59,704
Speaker 2: that Joanne sort of nothing hits harder when your friend

907
00:38:59,784 --> 00:39:02,864
Speaker 2: or sister gets into a long term relationship, which is

908
00:39:02,944 --> 00:39:05,424
Speaker 2: sometimes already difficult enough, even if you don't want to

909
00:39:05,504 --> 00:39:08,424
Speaker 2: admit it to yourself, because it was you two single

910
00:39:08,464 --> 00:39:10,704
Speaker 2: girls against the world and your lives merely each other.

911
00:39:11,064 --> 00:39:13,304
Speaker 2: And when they go off and mind a relationship, there's

912
00:39:13,344 --> 00:39:15,264
Speaker 2: no way in the world, no matter how secure you are,

913
00:39:15,304 --> 00:39:17,784
Speaker 2: that doesn't hit you really hard and you don't feel alone.

914
00:39:18,144 --> 00:39:20,664
Speaker 2: And so not only does Morgan go through that, but

915
00:39:20,784 --> 00:39:23,464
Speaker 2: also Joanne does that thing that so many women who

916
00:39:23,504 --> 00:39:25,584
Speaker 2: get into relationships do. They don't always mean to do,

917
00:39:25,704 --> 00:39:27,584
Speaker 2: but that whole kind of explained to her, like I'm

918
00:39:27,624 --> 00:39:29,624
Speaker 2: in a mature relationship, now I need to do this.

919
00:39:30,064 --> 00:39:33,624
Speaker 2: It'll happen you and like the condescending you don't understand

920
00:39:34,024 --> 00:39:35,024
Speaker 2: what a real life is.

921
00:39:35,224 --> 00:39:40,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that and I like silent competitiveness because like

922
00:39:40,264 --> 00:39:43,544
Speaker 1: Morgan wanted the relationship because she saw Joanne have such

923
00:39:43,544 --> 00:39:46,864
Speaker 1: a good relationship, and then Joanne wanted the pace of

924
00:39:46,864 --> 00:39:49,744
Speaker 1: her relationship to match Morgan's. And she's like seeing Morgan

925
00:39:49,864 --> 00:39:52,024
Speaker 1: date this guy for two seconds and move in with

926
00:39:52,144 --> 00:39:54,744
Speaker 1: him and get married and stuff, and Joanne's like, and

927
00:39:54,784 --> 00:39:57,984
Speaker 1: that's why I think Joanne spirals when Noah does things

928
00:39:57,984 --> 00:40:00,424
Speaker 1: that seem quote unquote normal, like when he says I

929
00:40:00,504 --> 00:40:02,264
Speaker 1: just want to night off and she's seeing her sister

930
00:40:02,424 --> 00:40:04,344
Speaker 1: like thrive in this relationship and she's like, why do

931
00:40:04,344 --> 00:40:06,184
Speaker 1: you mean what do you mean you want to night off? Yeah,

932
00:40:06,224 --> 00:40:07,744
Speaker 1: and how he doesn't want to move in with her

933
00:40:08,024 --> 00:40:10,744
Speaker 1: and he's like that when he sort of wasn't a

934
00:40:10,784 --> 00:40:13,424
Speaker 1: hard decision in front of everyone.

935
00:40:13,824 --> 00:40:14,464
Speaker 2: Yeah.

936
00:40:15,104 --> 00:40:17,384
Speaker 1: Again, at the same time, I was like, Joanne, you

937
00:40:17,504 --> 00:40:19,464
Speaker 1: know it wasn't a hard decision, Yeah.

938
00:40:19,384 --> 00:40:22,584
Speaker 2: Because he didn't even hesitate inkling that he wanted that.

939
00:40:22,584 --> 00:40:24,264
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Sometimes this show was a horror movie.

940
00:40:24,344 --> 00:40:26,704
Speaker 1: It's a horror movie. But what proved to me that

941
00:40:26,744 --> 00:40:30,664
Speaker 1: it was like such a sister love hate, not even hate,

942
00:40:30,664 --> 00:40:33,144
Speaker 1: but like more like love but like not afraid to

943
00:40:33,144 --> 00:40:35,464
Speaker 1: tell you how it really is. Is like in that

944
00:40:35,624 --> 00:40:38,544
Speaker 1: wedding dress scene when she was trying on the wedding dresses,

945
00:40:39,144 --> 00:40:42,744
Speaker 1: and Joanne's like trying to convince her parents to say

946
00:40:42,784 --> 00:40:45,624
Speaker 1: something to Morgan because this is something that also I

947
00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:49,024
Speaker 1: agree with, like sometimes only a parent can say it. Yeah, exactly,

948
00:40:49,144 --> 00:40:51,704
Speaker 1: especially when you're friends with your sister. And I feel

949
00:40:51,704 --> 00:40:53,784
Speaker 1: like we would relate because we're friends with our sisters.

950
00:40:54,264 --> 00:40:57,184
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you just can't tell your sister everything because

951
00:40:57,424 --> 00:41:00,104
Speaker 1: you cross that friendship boundary. But I feel like when

952
00:41:00,104 --> 00:41:02,304
Speaker 1: you're not friends with your sister, you can be more

953
00:41:02,384 --> 00:41:04,144
Speaker 1: like push and pull because you know they have to

954
00:41:04,184 --> 00:41:06,864
Speaker 1: come back to you in the air exactly, And Joanne

955
00:41:06,904 --> 00:41:08,944
Speaker 1: struggling so hard and then she just does the most

956
00:41:08,984 --> 00:41:11,144
Speaker 1: Joanne thing and just starts trying wedding dresses.

957
00:41:11,944 --> 00:41:14,904
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It's very kind of like Bridezilla moment there.

958
00:41:15,144 --> 00:41:17,224
Speaker 2: It's so funny because they lay all these little things

959
00:41:17,224 --> 00:41:19,384
Speaker 2: in there of like the dress that justin Lupe is

960
00:41:19,424 --> 00:41:20,944
Speaker 2: where they say it looks like a nightgown. You can

961
00:41:20,984 --> 00:41:23,384
Speaker 2: see her underlawear is a replica of her real wedding

962
00:41:23,504 --> 00:41:25,704
Speaker 2: dress that she had worn like the year before. I

963
00:41:25,744 --> 00:41:28,344
Speaker 2: was like, God live her alone. But it was like

964
00:41:28,384 --> 00:41:30,904
Speaker 2: they're fighting on screen, they're funning behind the scenes, and

965
00:41:31,024 --> 00:41:34,304
Speaker 2: yet it leads to this kind of breakup between the sisters.

966
00:41:34,624 --> 00:41:37,544
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because it almost hits the audience harder

967
00:41:37,584 --> 00:41:40,384
Speaker 2: than a breakup between Noah and Joanne in a way,

968
00:41:40,544 --> 00:41:43,664
Speaker 2: because it's this kind of like awfulness between them, and

969
00:41:43,704 --> 00:41:45,144
Speaker 2: so when they come back together.

970
00:41:45,104 --> 00:41:47,024
Speaker 1: You know they can't do anything without each other.

971
00:41:46,944 --> 00:41:49,264
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, and you know that, like their whole life

972
00:41:49,384 --> 00:41:52,584
Speaker 2: is kind of dependent on each other. And also coming

973
00:41:52,624 --> 00:41:57,864
Speaker 2: into the final scene being at Morgan's engagement party, I

974
00:41:57,904 --> 00:42:00,144
Speaker 2: also thought was like an incredible way to set up

975
00:42:00,504 --> 00:42:03,144
Speaker 2: those final moments of where all our characters come. So

976
00:42:03,264 --> 00:42:05,384
Speaker 2: the finale episode has had a lot of criticism you

977
00:42:05,424 --> 00:42:08,744
Speaker 2: across this No so the finale episode.

978
00:42:08,344 --> 00:42:09,744
Speaker 1: I mean I had my own text.

979
00:42:09,704 --> 00:42:12,384
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. You might match up with this because people

980
00:42:12,424 --> 00:42:14,624
Speaker 2: do think that it was a little bit lazy in

981
00:42:14,624 --> 00:42:16,784
Speaker 2: a way because they felt it too closely mirrored the

982
00:42:16,784 --> 00:42:18,984
Speaker 2: whole big bat mits For scene in the season one

983
00:42:19,024 --> 00:42:22,024
Speaker 2: finale of having all your characters at this big, fancy

984
00:42:22,024 --> 00:42:25,104
Speaker 2: event and having these big emotional moments unfold there. Yeah,

985
00:42:25,144 --> 00:42:27,624
Speaker 2: but I don't think that's quite true because this one

986
00:42:27,664 --> 00:42:29,864
Speaker 2: has a different layer in a way. It's like Joanne

987
00:42:29,864 --> 00:42:32,184
Speaker 2: and Morgan had just made up before the bat Mitzri

988
00:42:32,224 --> 00:42:34,824
Speaker 2: and they do that iconic scene where they come in together, yeah,

989
00:42:34,864 --> 00:42:36,704
Speaker 2: and then this one they're back together. That's why they're

990
00:42:36,704 --> 00:42:37,704
Speaker 2: both wearing the white dresses.

991
00:42:37,744 --> 00:42:40,304
Speaker 1: And I hated that she wear did you my sister

992
00:42:40,344 --> 00:42:41,304
Speaker 1: would never do that to me.

993
00:42:41,504 --> 00:42:43,584
Speaker 2: She's like, no time to find something else. I was like, oh,

994
00:42:43,664 --> 00:42:45,504
Speaker 2: that is kind of sisily like my sisters and I

995
00:42:45,544 --> 00:42:47,544
Speaker 2: would do that to each other. But these two are

996
00:42:47,624 --> 00:42:51,904
Speaker 2: a level above the rest of us, Like Morgan's yes, honestly,

997
00:42:51,984 --> 00:42:53,624
Speaker 2: but she was also just like, it's like when they

998
00:42:53,824 --> 00:42:56,104
Speaker 2: forgave each other for what they'd done. When she found

999
00:42:56,104 --> 00:42:57,904
Speaker 2: out that she told the landlord that's why she's getting

1000
00:42:57,904 --> 00:42:59,864
Speaker 2: a victor, She's like, okay, we'll even Like they have

1001
00:42:59,904 --> 00:43:01,384
Speaker 2: a really good I feel like they can shake off

1002
00:43:01,384 --> 00:43:01,824
Speaker 2: things really.

1003
00:43:01,904 --> 00:43:02,304
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1004
00:43:02,304 --> 00:43:03,944
Speaker 2: So what was your thought on the finale.

1005
00:43:04,184 --> 00:43:06,624
Speaker 1: My thought on the finale was, I mean, like you

1006
00:43:06,784 --> 00:43:09,984
Speaker 1: need like a big party like that to cover a

1007
00:43:10,064 --> 00:43:13,544
Speaker 1: lot of relationship, especially because what's so true about those

1008
00:43:13,584 --> 00:43:16,624
Speaker 1: big like engagements and weddings is that emotions run high

1009
00:43:16,704 --> 00:43:19,104
Speaker 1: for everyone. Yeah, like you say, like there are stuff

1010
00:43:19,104 --> 00:43:20,864
Speaker 1: in weddings. I've said that. I'm like, that's crazy. I

1011
00:43:20,864 --> 00:43:23,104
Speaker 1: said that, And it was not the alcohol.

1012
00:43:24,704 --> 00:43:26,824
Speaker 2: Also, it's not about the alcohol. In this scene, which

1013
00:43:26,864 --> 00:43:29,464
Speaker 2: was a huge yeah, yeah it was you. I was

1014
00:43:29,504 --> 00:43:32,104
Speaker 2: featured Nobody Wants the season two the finale. No one's

1015
00:43:32,104 --> 00:43:34,464
Speaker 2: talking about it. I was featured in the scene where

1016
00:43:34,904 --> 00:43:37,104
Speaker 2: Joanne goes up to the bar and she gets two

1017
00:43:37,144 --> 00:43:39,704
Speaker 2: glasses of champagne and then she walks away and tips

1018
00:43:39,744 --> 00:43:41,064
Speaker 2: one into the other and just drinks that.

1019
00:43:41,304 --> 00:43:43,344
Speaker 1: But she doesn't out of sorrow. I do it because

1020
00:43:43,544 --> 00:43:45,744
Speaker 1: they made it look like such a sad, tragic thing.

1021
00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:47,824
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's help on every Friday.

1022
00:43:48,424 --> 00:43:50,384
Speaker 2: That's me every event, because I'm not wasting my time

1023
00:43:50,384 --> 00:43:52,824
Speaker 2: in the bar line and waiting twenty minutes for a

1024
00:43:52,864 --> 00:43:55,224
Speaker 2: tire little sip that I'll finish before I leave. It's

1025
00:43:55,264 --> 00:43:57,744
Speaker 2: like you get two or for a movie, a two

1026
00:43:57,784 --> 00:44:00,944
Speaker 2: hour movie that's fine, it's sustainable. I felt very challenged.

1027
00:44:01,184 --> 00:44:01,744
Speaker 1: It was funny.

1028
00:44:01,744 --> 00:44:03,344
Speaker 2: I felt both seen and made funnel.

1029
00:44:03,424 --> 00:44:03,624
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1030
00:44:03,624 --> 00:44:04,904
Speaker 2: So yes, we come up from that scene where like

1031
00:44:05,104 --> 00:44:07,184
Speaker 2: you know, the alcohol fights and stuff like that, but

1032
00:44:07,224 --> 00:44:10,584
Speaker 2: you actually have like the greatest moment between them, which

1033
00:44:10,584 --> 00:44:13,344
Speaker 2: is when Morgan says something to her sister that she

1034
00:44:13,384 --> 00:44:16,864
Speaker 2: cannot say to anything else. And I cannot even imagine.

1035
00:44:16,864 --> 00:44:19,184
Speaker 2: When you hear of people breaking up soon after their weddings,

1036
00:44:19,224 --> 00:44:20,944
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, how do they go through with her?

1037
00:44:20,944 --> 00:44:22,064
Speaker 2: They're just going to break up, And I was like,

1038
00:44:22,184 --> 00:44:25,624
Speaker 2: I get it. I get once the ball is rolling

1039
00:44:25,624 --> 00:44:27,944
Speaker 2: on your wedding. I get how you just feel like

1040
00:44:27,984 --> 00:44:30,344
Speaker 2: you can't pull out of it, both for losing the

1041
00:44:30,424 --> 00:44:33,504
Speaker 2: relationship and the people that are there. The money's been spent,

1042
00:44:33,584 --> 00:44:35,304
Speaker 2: things have been planned. So I think the moment where

1043
00:44:35,304 --> 00:44:36,824
Speaker 2: Morgan says to her sister, I need you to talk

1044
00:44:36,824 --> 00:44:37,984
Speaker 2: me out of this. I need you to help me,

1045
00:44:38,584 --> 00:44:41,904
Speaker 2: and Joanne does that is like such a full circle

1046
00:44:41,904 --> 00:44:44,224
Speaker 2: moment for their characters and feel so earned after everything

1047
00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:45,984
Speaker 2: they've been through that season, and.

1048
00:44:45,944 --> 00:44:48,824
Speaker 1: It's just like also how she's going through, like Joanne's

1049
00:44:48,864 --> 00:44:52,984
Speaker 1: going through her own relationship while also trying to help Morgan,

1050
00:44:53,384 --> 00:44:56,024
Speaker 1: and it was like, don't marry him, Yes, marry him,

1051
00:44:56,064 --> 00:44:57,384
Speaker 1: I don't care, No, don't marry him.

1052
00:44:57,424 --> 00:44:59,064
Speaker 2: Well, I loved how she said, which is kind of

1053
00:44:59,104 --> 00:45:02,064
Speaker 2: sometimes what a true sister will say, because she knew

1054
00:45:02,104 --> 00:45:04,344
Speaker 2: the right answer. She knew the answer that Joanne knew.

1055
00:45:04,384 --> 00:45:07,104
Speaker 2: The answer was don't marry him. But in that moment,

1056
00:45:07,264 --> 00:45:09,704
Speaker 2: she can't say that to Morgan because she has to

1057
00:45:09,744 --> 00:45:12,144
Speaker 2: be on her team him, and to be on her

1058
00:45:12,144 --> 00:45:13,984
Speaker 2: team she has to say, which way do you want

1059
00:45:13,984 --> 00:45:16,264
Speaker 2: me to talk you into? Because I'll take you either

1060
00:45:16,264 --> 00:45:18,704
Speaker 2: way this stage. Yeah, but you already know where I stand.

1061
00:45:18,744 --> 00:45:20,344
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think you should marry him, but

1062
00:45:20,344 --> 00:45:22,504
Speaker 2: if you need me to talk you into it, I will, yeah,

1063
00:45:22,544 --> 00:45:24,424
Speaker 2: which is actually the kindest thing that you can do

1064
00:45:24,664 --> 00:45:25,784
Speaker 2: for a sister in that moment.

1065
00:45:25,864 --> 00:45:28,024
Speaker 1: That's so true. And also what I loved about that

1066
00:45:28,264 --> 00:45:30,984
Speaker 1: is that it was only their mom that got them

1067
00:45:31,024 --> 00:45:33,784
Speaker 1: to sort out their relationship. And I think that's so

1068
00:45:33,944 --> 00:45:36,624
Speaker 1: telling because not everyone has like a mom or a

1069
00:45:36,664 --> 00:45:39,544
Speaker 1: mother like figure. But I do think there's something telling

1070
00:45:39,664 --> 00:45:43,544
Speaker 1: in seeing a woman of a generation above you give

1071
00:45:43,544 --> 00:45:46,424
Speaker 1: you advice, because like her whole thing was like, don't

1072
00:45:46,424 --> 00:45:49,144
Speaker 1: do what I did yeah, And then the way she

1073
00:45:49,184 --> 00:45:51,744
Speaker 1: said that was like so true to both of them,

1074
00:45:51,864 --> 00:45:54,504
Speaker 1: and it did the opposite effect. Morgan was like, Okay,

1075
00:45:54,504 --> 00:45:56,064
Speaker 1: I need to break up with him, and Joan was like, no,

1076
00:45:56,104 --> 00:45:57,944
Speaker 1: I need to get back with him. Yeah, and it

1077
00:45:57,984 --> 00:45:58,784
Speaker 1: was the same advice.

1078
00:45:59,344 --> 00:46:01,744
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. And again, so much of the

1079
00:46:01,744 --> 00:46:03,944
Speaker 2: criticism for the season finale has been that it's too

1080
00:46:04,024 --> 00:46:08,144
Speaker 2: close to the first season and it's all just nothing changes.

1081
00:46:08,704 --> 00:46:11,584
Speaker 2: But if you look at it through a different lens,

1082
00:46:11,744 --> 00:46:14,624
Speaker 2: it's not a copy, it's a mirror image. And that

1083
00:46:14,744 --> 00:46:16,744
Speaker 2: is kind of what Aaron Foster wanted a little bit

1084
00:46:16,824 --> 00:46:18,944
Speaker 2: coming into this well, to be fair erin Foster's big

1085
00:46:18,944 --> 00:46:21,064
Speaker 2: thing is that she wanted them to get engaged in

1086
00:46:21,104 --> 00:46:23,864
Speaker 2: the finale when she was planning out this season, even

1087
00:46:23,904 --> 00:46:25,944
Speaker 2: when she was doing interviews at the end of season one,

1088
00:46:26,024 --> 00:46:28,184
Speaker 2: She's like, this season is going to be about Joanne

1089
00:46:28,184 --> 00:46:31,504
Speaker 2: deciding to convert and how she does that, and the

1090
00:46:31,584 --> 00:46:34,704
Speaker 2: last episode they get engaged. When Jenny Connor came on,

1091
00:46:35,224 --> 00:46:38,464
Speaker 2: she having a bit more experienced in TV, was very

1092
00:46:38,544 --> 00:46:41,024
Speaker 2: much like, you're jumping ahead, you're jumping to the last page.

1093
00:46:41,024 --> 00:46:43,144
Speaker 2: Were only in season two, and so pulled her back,

1094
00:46:43,144 --> 00:46:45,864
Speaker 2: and apparently the fights about this were so intense and

1095
00:46:45,944 --> 00:46:48,064
Speaker 2: so prolonged that it kind of shut down the writer's

1096
00:46:48,104 --> 00:46:51,864
Speaker 2: room over whether or not they would get engaged, and

1097
00:46:51,984 --> 00:46:54,944
Speaker 2: ultimately Jenny was the one who won that argument and

1098
00:46:55,024 --> 00:46:58,104
Speaker 2: pushed that aside. But it's interesting because, like you can

1099
00:46:58,144 --> 00:47:00,544
Speaker 2: almost see that in some way Aaron was building up

1100
00:47:00,584 --> 00:47:03,384
Speaker 2: to that, but it wasn't allowed to happen because of

1101
00:47:03,424 --> 00:47:07,024
Speaker 2: where they are. So instead, in season one, we see

1102
00:47:07,144 --> 00:47:11,304
Speaker 2: Noah be the one to chase Joanne, and in this

1103
00:47:11,384 --> 00:47:14,504
Speaker 2: episode you see Joanne be the one to chase Noah.

1104
00:47:14,504 --> 00:47:16,344
Speaker 2: So even though it feels like we're watching the same scene,

1105
00:47:16,344 --> 00:47:18,584
Speaker 2: it's very different when you look at who's chasing who.

1106
00:47:18,864 --> 00:47:21,504
Speaker 1: The only issue I had in that last scene was

1107
00:47:21,544 --> 00:47:24,264
Speaker 1: that they still didn't tell each other what they were

1108
00:47:24,304 --> 00:47:24,904
Speaker 1: going to do.

1109
00:47:25,144 --> 00:47:26,144
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they have no plan.

1110
00:47:26,344 --> 00:47:28,304
Speaker 1: I'm like, stop it, just in love.

1111
00:47:28,344 --> 00:47:30,024
Speaker 2: They have no plan, they have no fix.

1112
00:47:30,224 --> 00:47:32,944
Speaker 1: Just I just want to Joann to just say three words.

1113
00:47:33,424 --> 00:47:36,104
Speaker 1: I want to conver all she had to say, and

1114
00:47:36,144 --> 00:47:40,584
Speaker 1: then I'd be okay, yeah. Look, but the scene with

1115
00:47:40,824 --> 00:47:43,264
Speaker 1: Esther I think was so important in the bathroom.

1116
00:47:43,544 --> 00:47:45,784
Speaker 2: So that scene wasn't originally in the script. It was

1117
00:47:45,824 --> 00:47:48,344
Speaker 2: added much later on in filmed months after they had that,

1118
00:47:49,024 --> 00:47:50,704
Speaker 2: and they didn't even know who was going to say it,

1119
00:47:50,744 --> 00:47:52,544
Speaker 2: and they tried it with Esther and like at first

1120
00:47:52,544 --> 00:47:54,104
Speaker 2: it didn't work and they rejigged it and then it

1121
00:47:54,144 --> 00:47:55,304
Speaker 2: did work because it.

1122
00:47:55,344 --> 00:47:57,144
Speaker 1: Was pretty much Esa just going going in a chill.

1123
00:47:57,504 --> 00:47:57,704
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1124
00:47:57,704 --> 00:48:01,024
Speaker 1: Well she was just like, also, also my marriage just ended.

1125
00:48:01,624 --> 00:48:03,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I've actually got a bigger problem to

1126
00:48:03,544 --> 00:48:06,784
Speaker 2: deal with. It's interesting because I guess like that is

1127
00:48:06,824 --> 00:48:09,904
Speaker 2: what Aaron Foster wanted to convey, that from her personal experience,

1128
00:48:10,464 --> 00:48:14,424
Speaker 2: what she loved about becoming Jewish was these little moments

1129
00:48:14,464 --> 00:48:16,624
Speaker 2: and these little warmths and these things. And then I

1130
00:48:16,624 --> 00:48:18,864
Speaker 2: guess the criticism is a lot of people have given

1131
00:48:18,944 --> 00:48:21,904
Speaker 2: is that it's so much more complex than that. Yeah,

1132
00:48:21,944 --> 00:48:25,904
Speaker 2: and this show it just wasn't correct and what it was.

1133
00:48:25,944 --> 00:48:29,064
Speaker 2: And so I totally understand why people feel very disillusioned

1134
00:48:29,104 --> 00:48:31,744
Speaker 2: and very kind of almost betrayed by that scene. But

1135
00:48:31,744 --> 00:48:34,464
Speaker 2: then I also understand that this is kind of meant

1136
00:48:34,504 --> 00:48:37,424
Speaker 2: to be one woman's experience, and that was her experience,

1137
00:48:37,424 --> 00:48:39,304
Speaker 2: So how can it be wrong in a way? So

1138
00:48:39,344 --> 00:48:41,384
Speaker 2: I don't have a definitive answer for that. It's not

1139
00:48:41,424 --> 00:48:43,264
Speaker 2: for me to speak on, but I do think it's

1140
00:48:43,264 --> 00:48:45,384
Speaker 2: important to note that there's a big group of people

1141
00:48:45,384 --> 00:48:49,104
Speaker 2: that think that Judaism wasn't properly representing that scene. And

1142
00:48:49,104 --> 00:48:51,264
Speaker 2: then there's another group of people, particularly from the people

1143
00:48:51,264 --> 00:48:53,744
Speaker 2: who created a show, that say, it's not meant to

1144
00:48:53,744 --> 00:48:57,024
Speaker 2: be a representation of how everyone decides to be Jewish,

1145
00:48:57,104 --> 00:49:00,984
Speaker 2: It's meant to be one person's experience, right, which is, yeah,

1146
00:49:00,984 --> 00:49:03,464
Speaker 2: a whole kind of different way to it. But I

1147
00:49:03,624 --> 00:49:05,024
Speaker 2: kind of like, I mean, I just want.

1148
00:49:04,824 --> 00:49:06,544
Speaker 1: Them to be together because I'm off them, like I'm

1149
00:49:06,584 --> 00:49:08,104
Speaker 1: over it. Yeah, I'm over it.

1150
00:49:08,064 --> 00:49:09,424
Speaker 2: You're over it. We just said we want this show

1151
00:49:09,464 --> 00:49:10,704
Speaker 2: to go for like five with.

1152
00:49:10,704 --> 00:49:13,864
Speaker 1: The other characters. I want to see Sasha, Sam Morgan.

1153
00:49:14,184 --> 00:49:16,344
Speaker 2: Well, yes, I think that's kind of I'm serious. Yeah,

1154
00:49:16,384 --> 00:49:18,864
Speaker 2: they have an announced season three. But from everything I've

1155
00:49:18,864 --> 00:49:20,744
Speaker 2: heard from people around this show, with.

1156
00:49:21,384 --> 00:49:22,584
Speaker 1: Joanne and no one can be there.

1157
00:49:22,904 --> 00:49:23,744
Speaker 2: They can be in the show.

1158
00:49:23,784 --> 00:49:25,544
Speaker 1: It can be there, Seth Rogan can be there, don't

1159
00:49:25,704 --> 00:49:27,544
Speaker 1: you know how Like Layton Masa can also be that.

1160
00:49:27,704 --> 00:49:29,384
Speaker 1: No one thought this show was going to work when

1161
00:49:29,384 --> 00:49:31,224
Speaker 1: they finished filming it because it was such a clusterfuck.

1162
00:49:31,624 --> 00:49:34,784
Speaker 2: And then apparently the rough Cup got uploaded to the

1163
00:49:34,824 --> 00:49:37,904
Speaker 2: Netflix internal server, and the Netflix how do.

1164
00:49:37,864 --> 00:49:38,424
Speaker 1: We get on that?

1165
00:49:38,504 --> 00:49:39,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do we get on that? We had to

1166
00:49:39,904 --> 00:49:42,384
Speaker 2: wait for screeners. That's ridiculous. It got uploaded to the

1167
00:49:42,424 --> 00:49:45,304
Speaker 2: Netflix internal server and apparently all the Netflix staff were

1168
00:49:45,304 --> 00:49:46,704
Speaker 2: just watching it because they had it to see what

1169
00:49:46,744 --> 00:49:49,784
Speaker 2: it was, and Kristen Bell said found out that they

1170
00:49:49,784 --> 00:49:52,944
Speaker 2: were sliding off their chairs because they were so turned

1171
00:49:52,944 --> 00:49:56,024
Speaker 2: on by the chemistry between them. WHOA do you know

1172
00:49:56,024 --> 00:49:56,344
Speaker 2: what that means?

1173
00:49:56,424 --> 00:49:56,504
Speaker 3: Right?

1174
00:49:56,584 --> 00:49:57,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, thank you?

1175
00:49:57,944 --> 00:49:59,544
Speaker 2: I thin because Kristen Bell's like, do you know what

1176
00:49:59,584 --> 00:50:00,904
Speaker 2: that means? When she said it, and everyone's like, we

1177
00:50:01,104 --> 00:50:04,144
Speaker 2: got we got to get we get it more. And

1178
00:50:04,224 --> 00:50:06,304
Speaker 2: so that's when they knew that, like, oh, that's gonna work.

1179
00:50:06,344 --> 00:50:09,024
Speaker 2: So the show has to kind of be the chemistry.

1180
00:50:09,224 --> 00:50:11,384
Speaker 2: And now they've got all these side players, like it's

1181
00:50:11,424 --> 00:50:13,584
Speaker 2: a very kind of like obviously like the you know,

1182
00:50:13,624 --> 00:50:16,344
Speaker 2: the sisters kind of create it and they're there and

1183
00:50:16,504 --> 00:50:19,344
Speaker 2: late Mister is there, who is Adam Brodie's wife. The

1184
00:50:19,384 --> 00:50:23,104
Speaker 2: actor who plays Gabe is Jackie Tone's boyfriend. So I

1185
00:50:23,144 --> 00:50:26,064
Speaker 2: was like, in the next season, like how many other couples,

1186
00:50:26,104 --> 00:50:27,864
Speaker 2: like can we get duck Shepherd in there, can we

1187
00:50:27,864 --> 00:50:30,264
Speaker 2: get everyone else's partners and the like that, I think

1188
00:50:30,304 --> 00:50:33,104
Speaker 2: we're That's where I think we're going. So overall, I

1189
00:50:33,424 --> 00:50:35,384
Speaker 2: can understand why the finale was a little bit of

1190
00:50:35,424 --> 00:50:38,784
Speaker 2: a letdown for people. But I also just think it's

1191
00:50:39,184 --> 00:50:41,584
Speaker 2: very hard to do a second season of rom com

1192
00:50:41,664 --> 00:50:46,704
Speaker 2: because rom coms are usually movies because when the curtain

1193
00:50:46,744 --> 00:50:50,344
Speaker 2: closes on that final kiss, we're not meant to move

1194
00:50:50,384 --> 00:50:52,264
Speaker 2: with the couple past the honeymoon Stan.

1195
00:50:52,224 --> 00:50:54,144
Speaker 1: You're meant to be guaranteed happily ever after that.

1196
00:50:54,184 --> 00:50:55,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole point of a rongcom is that we

1197
00:50:55,904 --> 00:50:58,304
Speaker 2: end on the honeymoon stage. So when that's easy to

1198
00:50:58,304 --> 00:51:00,704
Speaker 2: do in a movie. So when it's a TV show

1199
00:51:01,144 --> 00:51:02,744
Speaker 2: and we have to move them away from that, it's

1200
00:51:02,744 --> 00:51:04,584
Speaker 2: going to be complicated and it's going to stall, and

1201
00:51:04,624 --> 00:51:08,144
Speaker 2: it's going to have an ending that doesn't feel it

1202
00:51:08,184 --> 00:51:11,184
Speaker 2: turns into a complex it. It's gonna have an ending

1203
00:51:11,224 --> 00:51:13,544
Speaker 2: that feels too complex because life is complex.

1204
00:51:13,944 --> 00:51:14,704
Speaker 1: That's true, I know.

1205
00:51:14,744 --> 00:51:16,304
Speaker 2: And as much as they wanted to make a bubblegum

1206
00:51:16,344 --> 00:51:17,824
Speaker 2: TV show, at the end of the day, it's like

1207
00:51:17,864 --> 00:51:21,264
Speaker 2: these two adults who could be in their thirties or forties.

1208
00:51:20,944 --> 00:51:23,104
Speaker 1: Comedi in the thirteen's forties, could be together, could not

1209
00:51:23,144 --> 00:51:24,104
Speaker 1: be not be together?

1210
00:51:24,184 --> 00:51:25,864
Speaker 2: And they're trying to mesh their lives together and there's

1211
00:51:25,904 --> 00:51:27,944
Speaker 2: no easy answer, but they all they know is that

1212
00:51:27,944 --> 00:51:30,304
Speaker 2: they love each other. Oh that's why they can kiss.

1213
00:51:30,344 --> 00:51:31,984
Speaker 2: And then we'll come back in season three and.

1214
00:51:32,064 --> 00:51:33,384
Speaker 1: Have forgot if they split up again?

1215
00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:35,864
Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, I think season three is they

1216
00:51:35,904 --> 00:51:38,344
Speaker 2: just pulled Aaron Foster back one season or so. So

1217
00:51:38,384 --> 00:51:41,864
Speaker 2: I think this next season will be her converting season three,

1218
00:51:41,904 --> 00:51:44,104
Speaker 2: and then I think season four and will end with

1219
00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:45,864
Speaker 2: them getting engaged at the end of season three, and

1220
00:51:45,904 --> 00:51:48,264
Speaker 2: I think season four the build up to the wedding,

1221
00:51:48,544 --> 00:51:51,584
Speaker 2: and season four will end with their wedding and then

1222
00:51:51,624 --> 00:51:53,224
Speaker 2: the show will be over. That's my friction.

1223
00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:56,384
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds good. That's good TV.

1224
00:51:56,504 --> 00:51:58,144
Speaker 2: There you go, guys, Netflix, I've sorted it for you.

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00:51:59,184 --> 00:52:01,624
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