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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 1: MoMA MEA out loud. It's what women are actually talking

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Speaker 1: about on Friday, the twenty seventh of February. And I

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Speaker 1: am Polly Wayne Wright.

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Speaker 2: I am Jesse Stephens, and I'm Claire Stephens.

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Speaker 1: And here's what's on our agenda for today. I have

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Speaker 1: a recommendation that will change your life, no big.

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Speaker 2: Deal, plus micro reinventions. If you feel like your personality

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Speaker 2: needs a teeny tiny overhaul, we have some ideas and

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Speaker 2: the documentary. Everyone's talking about the America's Next Top Model

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Speaker 2: doco and the existential question at the center of it.

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Speaker 1: But first, in case you missed it, out louders our

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Speaker 1: Jesse Stevens has been pregnant for a while and today

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Speaker 1: is her last show before she goes on Matt Leeve.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I made it to the end of

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Speaker 2: feb I remember putting that in and speaking to my

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Speaker 2: manager about it, and we were both like, we'll see,

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Speaker 2: will we be doing the last month remotely? And I

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Speaker 2: made it.

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Speaker 1: You made it. You're here, You're at the table. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there's a clue to who is filling in for

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Speaker 1: you while you go on your Matt leave, excising us

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Speaker 1: at the table, too out loudest one class even hello high.

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Speaker 2: I think your level of pregnancy at the moment is

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Speaker 2: an OH and S issue. I've been saying it for

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Speaker 2: seventy two weeks pregnant. It's shocking, you know what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's distracting someone who passed me the other day and

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Speaker 2: they burst out laughing and then they apologize, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my work and your stomach keeps

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Speaker 1: bagging into me. I keep thinking, how is that physically possible?

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Speaker 1: How is she upright? Actually? You are amazing and inspresous

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Speaker 1: all but tell us about your sister filling in.

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Speaker 2: So Claire, you may remember two and a half years

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Speaker 2: ago when I went on matt leave to have Luna.

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Speaker 2: You were my fill in. I'm going to call you, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you also may they call me side show bob.

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Speaker 2: They do they do? You're my body double Yeah, same boys,

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Speaker 2: same face, ye, same DNA, same DNA. You hold the

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Speaker 2: others to account, yeh. Look in your own right. You're

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Speaker 2: the former editor in chief of mum Mayor. You have

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Speaker 2: hosted lots of podcast, lots of experience. You had one

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Speaker 2: job when you took over my Matt leave contract last time,

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Speaker 2: which was not get pregnant. You got pregnant. Sorry, you

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Speaker 2: had another job this time, you got pregnant even sooner.

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Speaker 1: Sorry. Honestly, it's really.

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Speaker 2: It's actually really annoying and it's pulling focus. But you

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Speaker 2: are going to fill in. Sit in this chair that

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Speaker 2: is very far from the microphone. Yeah, now I've noticed

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Speaker 2: that on it your pitch. I feel like the seat

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Speaker 2: is really warm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely not

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Speaker 2: in a nice way, debris left from a potential mucus plug.

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Speaker 2: But Claire, your PhD in Brooklyn Beckham's going to come

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Speaker 2: in hand. He's going to come in really, because I

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Speaker 2: do feel like that gets wasted in day to day life.

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Speaker 2: It does. And your dedication to marry at first sight

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Speaker 2: every episode rain Hale or Shine. Yeah, I don't go

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Speaker 2: any Holly dips in and out, but you are our experts.

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Speaker 2: I want to know how you're feeling about the big job.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling very excited to hang out with my friends. Yeah, Holly,

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Speaker 2: Amelia and we should say that too. Amelia and Am

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Speaker 2: aren't going anywhere. You're just going to be replacing me.

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Speaker 2: And my shot actually is front on and it's better

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Speaker 2: for a chin.

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Speaker 1: She's got the best shot. Yeah, she's got the best

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Speaker 2: You inherit that so I'll be in literally the same will.

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Speaker 1: Be in the same seat, You'll get the same shot.

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Speaker 1: Although actually maybe this is my time to petition. I

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Speaker 1: want the good shot. You will be sitting in Jesse's chair.

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of requests. Yes, do not make

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Speaker 1: me look silly in front of Amelia. She is very intelligent,

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Speaker 1: and if you start being all intelligent over there too,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like it.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't worry. We've got to act a bit

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Speaker 2: like in front of No. Really are to just to

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Speaker 2: hold hands with the out louders so that we don't

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Speaker 2: become too out of touch, right holly, yep, I'm here

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Speaker 2: for the basic bitches. I'll bring I'll bring the intelligence

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Speaker 1: Do not perfect winged eyeliner like Amelia.

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Speaker 2: I've tried. I've tried, doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: You've got to stop me from telling em that she

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Speaker 1: always saying to her. But DHLF you're fine, and she's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I need to tell you about my lady's dating. You

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Speaker 2: Hold her hand and say, em you do need a

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go full tad wife, yeah and tell her. Actually,

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Speaker 2: m no one's going to tell you this, but you

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Speaker 2: have no value. You have a boyfriend. Thank you, go forth.

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Speaker 1: And find importantly, you have to bring me little bits

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Speaker 1: of gossip all the time about my friend Jesse, because

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Speaker 1: I'm going to miss her.

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Speaker 2: I've decided as soon as you leave the building, I'm

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Speaker 2: when she didn't know who Jennifer Lopez was. Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know her. I don't know her, and I

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Speaker 2: want to be like, she's calling you. I never heard

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Speaker 1: Never.

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Speaker 2: Well, Claire, I've got a bit of a handover I

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Speaker 2: want to do at the end of the show, right,

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Speaker 2: So I'm holding that in my back pocket because we

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Speaker 2: need to do a handover. We couldn't find time in

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Speaker 2: the diary. No, I've done questions. Yeah, and so at

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Speaker 2: the end of the show we will have a little chat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good over to you. Clais Stevens to tell us

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Speaker 1: about America's Next Time.

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Speaker 2: So this week I finally sat down to watch Netflix's

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Speaker 2: three part documentary, which is called Reality Check Inside America's

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Speaker 2: Next Top Model.

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Speaker 1: You told me too, so I did, because I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to impress you because it's your first one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, that's nice. We're trying to be encouraging.

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Speaker 1: That's not see.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm having ideas and everyone's like, good try,

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Speaker 1: I've watched that little show. It was great.

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Speaker 2: The documentary tells the story of the show's inception in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and three and then how it just went

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Speaker 2: more and more bat shit until twenty sixteen, when it

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Speaker 2: went so crazy and Tyra wasn't even hosting it anymore,

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Speaker 2: and the whole cast was gone, and it just Holly,

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Speaker 2: did you watched it at the time?

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I didn't watch America's one. I did

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Speaker 2: It was a very millennial staple. I think it was

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Speaker 2: you and I Claire appointment viewing. We watched most of

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Speaker 2: those twenty four cycles. Yeah, it was when the men

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Speaker 1: Men.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, men came in and then they were like Britain

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Speaker 2: versus America. No, no, I don't know, yeah, no, no no. So,

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Speaker 2: for anyone who has never watched it, Top Model selected

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Speaker 2: a group of aspiring models from all around the US

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Speaker 2: who would live together, competing challenges, facing weekly eliminations, and

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Speaker 2: Tyra would say the exact same thing every time she

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Speaker 2: I was like, is that chromatically correct? You know, like

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Speaker 2: America's next rop model and they would win prize money

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Speaker 1: She didn't know that, ye, she was just the host.

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Speaker 2: And she owns. I think they said in the show

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Speaker 2: she owns twenty five percent.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, at some point joining the deal, she sold most

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Speaker 1: and as the story are unfolds, they don't necessarily treat

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Speaker 2: Yes, when you think about how it got. The format

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Speaker 2: She is rolling in it. It was pitched as a

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Speaker 2: at the time because she was a woman of color,

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Speaker 2: years the show has been reassessed through a present length.

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Speaker 1: And some of it does not hold up.

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Speaker 2: We did a canceled episode and we had so much

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Speaker 2: Like when we're getting to orthodontic work, do we need

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Speaker 1: Favorite parts from the doco? So that's where we land

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Speaker 1: at the doco, right, is that there has been a

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. And the other thing that came up

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Speaker 2: the big tension I feel like we're left with at

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Speaker 2: a machine that inevitably jumps the shark goes too far

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Speaker 2: because you're always in pursuit of more ratings and more success,

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Speaker 2: Or are there more serious moral questions to be asked

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Speaker 2: of the people behind this show? I felt more than

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Speaker 2: any other because I've watched the Jerry Springer documentary, The

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Speaker 2: Biggest Loser documentary. I quite like these reappraisals because often

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Speaker 2: I find the narrative that Tyra Banks isn't apologetic enough

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Speaker 2: guess I would have been only like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

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Speaker 2: teenager well as the audience. There's a line where Tyra says,

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's also the argument in all of these

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Speaker 1: The Jerry Springer docco is the same in that they

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Speaker 1: his horse, the more like I've been sleeping with your sister,

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Speaker 2: were and how they made absolutely no sense, but with

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Speaker 2: real honesty, because he said in that too, he was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm really surprised I didn't notice it at the time,

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Speaker 2: which I went Nigel, I agree. Yeah, that's how a

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Speaker 2: lot of us probably feel about things we've done in

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Speaker 2: the past. But you do have to ask, at what

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Speaker 2: point is somebody responsible for saying, well, wait, I started

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Speaker 2: this thing. These people really supported me in it. It

439
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be what it is today without them. If I

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Speaker 2: have to fire them, is it still worth it? And

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Speaker 2: my question is, Tira, did you have enough though?

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Speaker 1: Good point. Tyra lives in Australia now may be listening, Hi, Tira.

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Speaker 1: She has an ice cream shop and Darling Harbor. One

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Speaker 1: last thing, do you think it's a good docer? Do

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Speaker 1: you recommend it to the people?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

447
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: I watched it all in one sitting.

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Speaker 1: It is shocking, as I said, say my notes up,

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Speaker 1: go ooh, and then it just keeps being this is brutal.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

452
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Speaker 2: And now I'm getting served on TikTok or like just

453
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Speaker 2: other old clips from the show, and it's become my

454
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Speaker 2: entire life. Out Louders in a moment craving change, but

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Speaker 2: don't want to die your hair rainbow. Well, we have

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Speaker 2: some very inspiring ideas.

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Speaker 1: Out Louders.

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Speaker 3: It's Mia here, and I am also feeling a little

459
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Speaker 3: bit sad about Jesse leaving to go on maternity leave,

460
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Speaker 3: although I'm feeling happier than most because I get two

461
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Speaker 3: new grand babies out of it. Anyway, I recorded two

462
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Speaker 3: great subs episodes for you this week. On Tuesday, Emilia

463
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Speaker 3: and I talked about Carolyn Bessett Kennedy, and then on

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Speaker 3: Thursday's episode, I had to grab Jesse one more time

465
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Speaker 3: before she waddled off, and I also grabbed Hollie and

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Speaker 3: we talked about a newsletter from Jamila Jamil.

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Speaker 1: With the title our Shit.

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Speaker 3: so follow the link in the show notes to get

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Speaker 1: How loud As, We've got a listener dilemma for you.

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Speaker 1: We need your collective wisdom to help us and our

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Speaker 1: partners UI solve it. So a wonderful out Louder has

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Speaker 1: written in this I am pregnant, do you in late much? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Close to my girls? My sister in law is also

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Speaker 1: pregnant also do right around the same time as me.

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Speaker 1: She and my brother already have a three year old,

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Speaker 1: and they live near my parents, who are very hands

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Speaker 1: on grandparents. But I live about three hours away, right,

481
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Speaker 1: so she's three hours away. My sister in law's family

482
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Speaker 1: aren't in the picture, meaning that my parents have always

483
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Speaker 1: stepped up for childcare and are going to naturally do

484
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Speaker 1: so when the new baby comes. However, this is meant

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Speaker 1: that my mum has been very absent and not involved

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Speaker 1: in my pregnancy, and I'm really starting to resent that.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm the one that chose to live far away,

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Speaker 1: but I'm also sad because she's constantly talking about coming

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Speaker 1: to visit and helping us set up the nursery or

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Speaker 1: cook meals, but because she's constantly looking after their three

491
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Speaker 1: year old, it hasn't happened. My sister in law has

492
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Speaker 1: had quite the complicated pregnancy, so there have been a

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Speaker 1: few occasions when my mom had planned to visit but

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Speaker 1: canceled at the last minute. I know if the situation

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Speaker 1: were different, my mom would be much more present for

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Speaker 1: me despite that distance. It's now getting to the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks and Mom still hasn't visited, even though we're

498
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Speaker 1: due around the same time. Certain complications mean it looks

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Speaker 1: like my sister in law's baby will come early, and

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Speaker 1: I'm worried my mom will be tied up there so

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Speaker 1: she might not visit at all, or might not even

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Speaker 1: be around when I do have my baby. I feel

503
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Speaker 1: like I've been somewhat robbed of the experience of having

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Speaker 1: my mom with me during my pregnancy. This is my

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Speaker 1: first baby, and it's just not how I expected it

506
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Speaker 1: to be. I know I'm hormonal, but also am I

507
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Speaker 1: the asshole? Love a pregnant girl that just wants her mom.

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Speaker 1: The question for you, too, is if you were her,

509
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Speaker 1: what do you do next?

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Speaker 2: Okay, serious advice. You need to have an honest conversation

511
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Speaker 2: with your mom about what you'd like her to do,

512
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Speaker 2: what you want and need from her, and come up

513
00:26:17,914 --> 00:26:20,194
Speaker 2: with a plan, because it is really easy for your

514
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Speaker 2: mom to get stuck in the cycle of supporting your

515
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Speaker 2: sister in law and your brother. The other thing is

516
00:26:27,514 --> 00:26:30,754
Speaker 2: from being pregnant now for a second time pregnancy is

517
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Speaker 2: very theoretical, really hard to get other people excited because

518
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Speaker 2: it's very only happening to you, So it is quite

519
00:26:38,954 --> 00:26:42,434
Speaker 2: boring for like your mom. There's nothing for your mom

520
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Speaker 2: to necessarily do. Yet when the baby comes, things will

521
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Speaker 2: be different. Now, do you want some Claire Stephens special advice? Yes,

522
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Speaker 2: because I have my own unique way of approaching these situations. One,

523
00:26:56,074 --> 00:26:58,154
Speaker 2: you need to call the three year old. Yeah, you

524
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Speaker 2: need to call the sister in law's child and say, hey,

525
00:27:01,234 --> 00:27:04,394
Speaker 2: be more independent, I need my mom matter. You know

526
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Speaker 2: how you like your mom? I like my mom. That's

527
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Speaker 2: what you say to three year old. Two, this is

528
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Speaker 2: actually really important. When your sister in law's baby comes.

529
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Speaker 2: You need to make sure your baby's cutter. If your

530
00:27:17,674 --> 00:27:20,474
Speaker 2: baby is just objectively cut, your mum will do the

531
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Speaker 2: three hour commute, no question. You also need to when

532
00:27:24,794 --> 00:27:28,314
Speaker 2: your mum does come, just throw some subtle shade at

533
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Speaker 2: your sister in law's baby.

534
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Speaker 1: Let's remember this is her brother's baby. Yeah, yeah, I know, women,

535
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Speaker 1: I know it is.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, the way it was written was very sister in

537
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Speaker 2: law your brother's baby. You need to say, looks bit

538
00:27:39,274 --> 00:27:41,474
Speaker 2: like an old man, doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, and your

539
00:27:41,554 --> 00:27:43,594
Speaker 2: mum will put down the baby. No, that's not very nice.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think my baby is particularly beautiful? I quite

541
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Speaker 2: like that. I like that, And I will say to

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Speaker 2: any women who have had pregnancy complications, like, I don't

543
00:27:52,834 --> 00:27:55,994
Speaker 2: think it's something you can really understand until you've experienced it.

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Speaker 2: And that family who's got the toddler and she could

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Speaker 2: be in and out of hospital and all of that, Like,

546
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Speaker 2: it does require a lot of help and as much

547
00:28:06,354 --> 00:28:08,514
Speaker 2: empathy as you can and have for that I think

548
00:28:08,594 --> 00:28:11,114
Speaker 2: is important. But I agree with you. It's like, Mum,

549
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Speaker 2: this is when I think I'm having this baby. I'd

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Speaker 2: love you to come for the week. Like, just be

551
00:28:15,234 --> 00:28:17,194
Speaker 2: really directed about when you want her, so that she

552
00:28:17,274 --> 00:28:18,594
Speaker 2: knows what you need.

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Speaker 1: Out louders tell us what you would do next. You

554
00:28:21,354 --> 00:28:23,954
Speaker 1: could always email us at out loud at mamamea dot

555
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Speaker 1: com dot au, and you can also send your own

556
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Speaker 1: dilemmas if you would also like some of Claire Stephens's

557
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Speaker 1: special wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever felt like a little personality upgrade? Claire?

559
00:28:36,434 --> 00:28:38,634
Speaker 2: Don't you feel like your personality?

560
00:28:39,314 --> 00:28:39,474
Speaker 1: Yeah?

561
00:28:39,914 --> 00:28:43,474
Speaker 2: I'm also like things are fine. Don't you feel like

562
00:28:43,554 --> 00:28:47,114
Speaker 2: you could be vastly improved. I read this article about

563
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Speaker 2: changing your personality and I immediately thought of you. Look,

564
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Speaker 2: it's not as targeted or perth of aggressive as it sounds.

565
00:28:54,314 --> 00:28:57,354
Speaker 2: But this substack that I came across this week is

566
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Speaker 2: all about the term micro reinventions, and the idea is

567
00:29:01,674 --> 00:29:07,914
Speaker 2: that sometimes we are craving small, doable changes in our lives. Right,

568
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Speaker 2: It's not about like moving to the other side of

569
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Speaker 2: the country or quitting your job and becoming a dog messuse.

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Speaker 2: One of my friends is seriously considering that dog messuit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:29:16,834 --> 00:29:20,914
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a job training. Yeah, it does a lot

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Speaker 2: on dogs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, let's train dogs.

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Speaker 2: The dog into My job of a friend is to

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Speaker 2: say you simply must quit your excellent job. Yeah, and

577
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Speaker 2: pursue that absolutely, and my dog you can train on

578
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Speaker 2: my dog.

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Speaker 1: Dog.

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Speaker 2: Writer Carli Jacobs has some suggestions for personality reinventions. Here

581
00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:46,954
Speaker 2: are some examples for some inspo. Upgrade your handwriting. I

582
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Speaker 2: wish I knew how to do that. Yeah, just like

583
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Speaker 2: focus on it. I'm sure that the robots could help.

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Speaker 2: They've never handwritten in their lives. I know, you.

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Speaker 1: Know it's got lovely, haven't writing? Megan Mikael calligraphy a little,

586
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Speaker 1: you do a little as ever, test Yeah, I don't

587
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Speaker 1: want to boast, but I've got it. We love Megan

588
00:30:06,754 --> 00:30:09,394
Speaker 1: in her riding on my desk. I often try and

589
00:30:09,434 --> 00:30:11,114
Speaker 1: replicate it. You know what you need to do.

590
00:30:11,154 --> 00:30:13,474
Speaker 2: You need to trace it, like what you do in

591
00:30:13,514 --> 00:30:15,674
Speaker 2: primary school when they trace their names. You need to

592
00:30:15,714 --> 00:30:15,994
Speaker 2: do that.

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00:30:16,034 --> 00:30:16,714
Speaker 1: We could do that.

594
00:30:17,034 --> 00:30:21,514
Speaker 2: Become an expert in something weirdly specific, such as nineteen

595
00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:26,234
Speaker 2: seventies wall paper or Elizabethan jewels. Never use the big lights.

596
00:30:26,714 --> 00:30:29,994
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I think I've already embraced that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the big lights. It's so offensive.

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Speaker 1: Or if you want a micro reinvention, start using the

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Speaker 1: big lights.

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Speaker 2: That'll be a big reinvention because you're going to get

601
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Speaker 2: a lot of plastic surgery because it makes you look ugly.

602
00:30:43,194 --> 00:30:46,874
Speaker 2: Answer the phone with ahoy, which was originally floated as

603
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Speaker 2: the greeting of choice before Hello was selected. Well, I

604
00:30:49,794 --> 00:30:52,274
Speaker 2: was going to ask Jessie, does your husband still say chow?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

606
00:30:52,794 --> 00:30:54,914
Speaker 2: He does say chow sometimes, which I feel like his

607
00:30:54,994 --> 00:30:57,274
Speaker 2: cultural appropriation. Yeah, yeah, it's not a challenged.

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00:30:57,834 --> 00:31:02,554
Speaker 1: You know different ways outs the phone? Well, hello would

609
00:31:02,634 --> 00:31:03,074
Speaker 1: be good?

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00:31:03,794 --> 00:31:07,354
Speaker 2: What else I was expecting you? I feel like your

611
00:31:07,354 --> 00:31:12,034
Speaker 2: insurance company would be like. I remember once I was

612
00:31:12,034 --> 00:31:13,994
Speaker 2: on MSN and I was fourteen. I was trying to

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Speaker 2: impress a guy and he popped up and I said

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00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:16,754
Speaker 2: to Claire what I say?

615
00:31:16,754 --> 00:31:17,274
Speaker 1: What should say?

616
00:31:17,274 --> 00:31:18,794
Speaker 2: And She's like, I don't know, and I wrote, Yo,

617
00:31:19,514 --> 00:31:22,474
Speaker 2: yeah I did. Howdy, don't do it? I did, Howdy.

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00:31:22,874 --> 00:31:23,074
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, neither of those relationships have a signature condiment. I

620
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Speaker 2: feel like that's you, holy I have one.

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Speaker 1: In fact, one of my micro inventions this year has

622
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Speaker 1: been I'm no longer carrying salt on my personal times.

623
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Speaker 1: I started carrying a bottle of Frank's Hot Sauce all times.

624
00:31:39,634 --> 00:31:44,154
Speaker 1: It's delicious, it makes everything better, sweet, savory, whatever. Just

625
00:31:44,274 --> 00:31:45,514
Speaker 1: have a little one in your bag.

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00:31:45,834 --> 00:31:50,634
Speaker 2: My signature condiment is what I call mustard mayo. Oh

627
00:31:50,754 --> 00:31:53,354
Speaker 2: yeah so it is. I don't know if it requires

628
00:31:53,394 --> 00:31:58,154
Speaker 2: an explanation. Well, it could be any kind of mustard.

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Speaker 1: Is it mustard? Yeah?

630
00:32:00,154 --> 00:32:06,354
Speaker 2: But it's English, but a tiny bit I do dijon Okay, yeah, yeah,

631
00:32:06,394 --> 00:32:09,554
Speaker 2: it's actually quite good. Or memorize a poem, that's another one.

632
00:32:09,794 --> 00:32:12,514
Speaker 1: Oh what, just tell it to people exactly.

633
00:32:12,674 --> 00:32:14,954
Speaker 2: I want to be the type of person who just knows.

634
00:32:15,394 --> 00:32:18,154
Speaker 2: You know people who just know biblical quotes and are

635
00:32:18,194 --> 00:32:19,354
Speaker 2: like and they just throw them out.

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00:32:19,434 --> 00:32:22,714
Speaker 1: I mean instead of like sex and the City is like, yeah,

637
00:32:22,754 --> 00:32:25,034
Speaker 1: it's just like that time when carry It's more like, no,

638
00:32:25,114 --> 00:32:28,714
Speaker 1: this is from John the Fly. I know.

639
00:32:29,114 --> 00:32:31,914
Speaker 2: I loved this because I often think I wish I

640
00:32:31,954 --> 00:32:34,874
Speaker 2: was the kind of person who blah, have you ever

641
00:32:34,954 --> 00:32:39,154
Speaker 2: adopted a micro reinvention? Well, I mean it's hard to

642
00:32:39,194 --> 00:32:41,314
Speaker 2: say whether mine is micro or macro because it's just

643
00:32:41,354 --> 00:32:44,634
Speaker 2: such a big deal. But I got low lights. I

644
00:32:44,754 --> 00:32:45,794
Speaker 2: did get low light.

645
00:32:45,754 --> 00:32:47,874
Speaker 1: Instead of highlight. Yeah.

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00:32:48,394 --> 00:32:51,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I'm leaving my best brunette life. And

647
00:32:51,754 --> 00:32:55,434
Speaker 2: you have said it's very Margo Robbie Wuthering Hunts. Yeah

648
00:32:55,594 --> 00:32:59,114
Speaker 2: is what I've ascribed that to myself. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

649
00:32:59,194 --> 00:33:02,354
Speaker 1: So I just ask a really stupid question. Highlights bright,

650
00:33:02,674 --> 00:33:03,714
Speaker 1: low lights dark?

651
00:33:04,154 --> 00:33:04,354
Speaker 2: Yeah?

652
00:33:04,594 --> 00:33:05,594
Speaker 1: Right, I got it, I think.

653
00:33:05,674 --> 00:33:09,314
Speaker 2: So you have to ask my hairdresser, I don't know.

654
00:33:09,594 --> 00:33:11,394
Speaker 2: She was like, do you want to embrace the dart?

655
00:33:11,474 --> 00:33:14,114
Speaker 2: And I was like, sounds great. So now I'm a

656
00:33:14,154 --> 00:33:19,834
Speaker 2: little bit brunette. But I also in terms of micro reinventions,

657
00:33:20,034 --> 00:33:22,754
Speaker 2: I decided I really wanted to be the kind of

658
00:33:22,874 --> 00:33:28,274
Speaker 2: person who understood world geography, like where is Spain?

659
00:33:28,834 --> 00:33:28,914
Speaker 1: Like?

660
00:33:28,994 --> 00:33:31,194
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? So I'm the kind

661
00:33:31,194 --> 00:33:33,354
Speaker 2: of person who wants to have the New York Times

662
00:33:33,394 --> 00:33:35,914
Speaker 2: app and do that geography puzzle every day. What's the

663
00:33:35,954 --> 00:33:38,674
Speaker 2: geography thing? Everyone? No, no, no, that's not New York Times.

664
00:33:38,674 --> 00:33:41,314
Speaker 2: It's a different website. It's called Global but it's speled

665
00:33:41,394 --> 00:33:44,274
Speaker 2: g l O b l E. You have to guess

666
00:33:44,274 --> 00:33:46,674
Speaker 2: a mystery country. And it's been the best thing for

667
00:33:46,714 --> 00:33:49,954
Speaker 2: my understanding because it's like I didn't know that country existed.

668
00:33:50,074 --> 00:33:51,834
Speaker 2: Now I know where micro and is.

669
00:33:51,874 --> 00:33:58,674
Speaker 1: Sick because as out loud as noeling, I was learning

670
00:33:58,674 --> 00:34:02,914
Speaker 1: Italian and I did steeling he for solid six months

671
00:34:02,994 --> 00:34:08,913
Speaker 1: and I guess what you've got. I reinvented myself back

672
00:34:08,953 --> 00:34:11,834
Speaker 1: to someone who goes, stop shouting at me, owl and

673
00:34:11,953 --> 00:34:13,993
Speaker 1: think about you. It's always going you're gonna lose your

674
00:34:13,994 --> 00:34:16,033
Speaker 1: streak and you get really upset, and then one day

675
00:34:16,114 --> 00:34:18,393
Speaker 1: you wake up and you go, what will happen if

676
00:34:20,234 --> 00:34:24,154
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing? Oh well, now I can't speak it telling

677
00:34:24,154 --> 00:34:24,674
Speaker 1: it anymore.

678
00:34:24,794 --> 00:34:27,194
Speaker 2: There's this weird moment where you're like, I would like

679
00:34:27,234 --> 00:34:31,234
Speaker 2: to be the type of person who applies hand cream. Yes,

680
00:34:31,434 --> 00:34:33,314
Speaker 2: like I'd like to be the kind of person who

681
00:34:33,314 --> 00:34:38,194
Speaker 2: applies all body creamy. I once read Nicole Kidman moisturizes

682
00:34:38,714 --> 00:34:41,354
Speaker 2: like extensively every evening and I'm like, well, that's why

683
00:34:41,394 --> 00:34:43,114
Speaker 2: you look like that, And I don't know how they

684
00:34:43,114 --> 00:34:44,714
Speaker 2: do it, and then put on clothes like I just

685
00:34:44,754 --> 00:34:46,953
Speaker 2: can't think about not using my hands for long enough

686
00:34:46,954 --> 00:34:48,634
Speaker 2: for the lotion to go in.

687
00:34:48,834 --> 00:34:53,754
Speaker 1: Yet Nicole absolutely still in one of her many bathrooms.

688
00:34:53,994 --> 00:34:56,354
Speaker 1: Is it to the touch, to the touch? Oh yeah,

689
00:34:56,434 --> 00:34:58,874
Speaker 1: silk shirt, Ready, here we go. That's how I'm imagining.

690
00:34:59,154 --> 00:35:04,114
Speaker 2: One of the suggestions in the sub stack was plan

691
00:35:04,274 --> 00:35:07,553
Speaker 2: your response to the question how are you with a

692
00:35:07,594 --> 00:35:15,473
Speaker 2: descriptive word like capital, managing, vertical, tickity boot. And I

693
00:35:15,554 --> 00:35:18,794
Speaker 2: need one of these because whenever somebody says how are you,

694
00:35:18,874 --> 00:35:24,873
Speaker 2: I go huh, and it comes across rooms, you do

695
00:35:25,554 --> 00:35:25,794
Speaker 2: you go?

696
00:35:27,874 --> 00:35:30,514
Speaker 1: I used to have a signature how are you? I

697
00:35:30,634 --> 00:35:33,154
Speaker 1: used to say, How's tricks? That was my thing, How's tricks?

698
00:35:33,554 --> 00:35:35,674
Speaker 1: And then I started saying to the young people in

699
00:35:35,674 --> 00:35:37,754
Speaker 1: the kitchen and they would look at me like I

700
00:35:37,874 --> 00:35:40,393
Speaker 1: was what tricks? What what do you mean? And they

701
00:35:40,434 --> 00:35:43,114
Speaker 1: didn't know, and I was like, oh, this is really bad.

702
00:35:43,274 --> 00:35:44,674
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is a different one?

703
00:35:44,714 --> 00:35:50,074
Speaker 1: What about Like, so, what the fuck that's good? What

704
00:35:50,114 --> 00:35:51,274
Speaker 1: should we do?

705
00:35:51,994 --> 00:35:53,994
Speaker 2: I remember as well in high school being like, you

706
00:35:54,034 --> 00:35:56,074
Speaker 2: know how you reinvent like every year. I remember coming

707
00:35:56,114 --> 00:35:58,274
Speaker 2: back in January and I was like, I'm going to

708
00:35:58,394 --> 00:36:00,993
Speaker 2: use the word rat. Yeah, it's like I'm a skatero girl.

709
00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:01,194
Speaker 1: Now.

710
00:36:01,314 --> 00:36:04,074
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I wore like it was the Avril Levinia,

711
00:36:04,194 --> 00:36:05,754
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. And I was like, I think I'll

712
00:36:05,794 --> 00:36:10,433
Speaker 2: wear a tie and stay rat and I said rad

713
00:36:11,114 --> 00:36:12,674
Speaker 2: and my friends were all like, no, don't say that.

714
00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:15,354
Speaker 2: It's really uncol and I was like, it doesn't feel right. Actually,

715
00:36:15,434 --> 00:36:16,634
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry.

716
00:36:16,754 --> 00:36:19,594
Speaker 1: People don't notice enough that I've done lots of reinventions.

717
00:36:19,634 --> 00:36:22,034
Speaker 1: I've started wearing brown. I mean, come on, that's a

718
00:36:22,074 --> 00:36:22,634
Speaker 1: big thing.

719
00:36:23,754 --> 00:36:27,594
Speaker 2: Curly, Yes, you are kind of queen of the reinvention

720
00:36:27,954 --> 00:36:28,634
Speaker 2: turned away.

721
00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:30,913
Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't know this because we don't socialize that

722
00:36:30,954 --> 00:36:33,674
Speaker 1: much together and you're pregnant. I've turned away from sharnay

723
00:36:34,114 --> 00:36:38,314
Speaker 1: yoused to be part of my post wow. And now

724
00:36:38,394 --> 00:36:40,913
Speaker 1: every time anyone says, would you like a Shardenay, I'm like,

725
00:36:40,994 --> 00:36:42,234
Speaker 1: you have not been paying attention.

726
00:36:42,594 --> 00:36:44,594
Speaker 2: I have what do you have instead?

727
00:36:45,034 --> 00:36:46,834
Speaker 1: Maybe a rosa?

728
00:36:47,034 --> 00:36:49,234
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gin.

729
00:36:49,834 --> 00:36:52,594
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. I've also recently become obsessed with

730
00:36:52,714 --> 00:36:57,553
Speaker 1: hydrolytes and hydration and electrolytes, and I have no idea why.

731
00:36:57,594 --> 00:36:59,594
Speaker 1: If you were to say why, I'd say I don't know.

732
00:36:59,794 --> 00:37:02,954
Speaker 1: But suddenly it's all about the hydration tablet.

733
00:37:03,114 --> 00:37:06,114
Speaker 2: Luke and I have actually had quite a reinvention, which

734
00:37:06,194 --> 00:37:09,473
Speaker 2: is ever since my gestational diabetes, we've had to look

735
00:37:09,474 --> 00:37:12,354
Speaker 2: at some different treats and snack foods. We've gotten really

736
00:37:12,394 --> 00:37:16,473
Speaker 2: into Solo zero as a family with some mineral water

737
00:37:16,554 --> 00:37:17,194
Speaker 2: and some ice.

738
00:37:17,314 --> 00:37:18,154
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and.

739
00:37:19,634 --> 00:37:23,234
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah yeah, I actually could recommend lovely bevery.

740
00:37:23,034 --> 00:37:24,873
Speaker 1: The pregnant people have to do. Yeah, I have a

741
00:37:24,874 --> 00:37:25,274
Speaker 1: good time.

742
00:37:25,394 --> 00:37:28,274
Speaker 2: Everyone who comes over, I'm like, would you like a glass,

743
00:37:28,314 --> 00:37:31,434
Speaker 2: a chilled glass of Solo zero. I actually have gotten

744
00:37:31,554 --> 00:37:37,714
Speaker 2: very into solo yeah, but not zero out louders, Can

745
00:37:37,754 --> 00:37:40,714
Speaker 2: you please get into the Facebook group and let us

746
00:37:40,794 --> 00:37:43,474
Speaker 2: know what your micro inventions are because it's just wild

747
00:37:43,514 --> 00:37:45,994
Speaker 2: when you go. You know, I could just change.

748
00:37:46,314 --> 00:37:49,114
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could go from English breakfast tea to Irish

749
00:37:49,114 --> 00:37:51,714
Speaker 1: breakfast tea. It's a statement like it's a big state.

750
00:37:51,594 --> 00:37:54,714
Speaker 2: It does throw people does, but we are all allowed

751
00:37:54,754 --> 00:37:55,154
Speaker 2: to change.

752
00:37:55,274 --> 00:37:59,194
Speaker 1: Are out Louders in a moment recommendations, And I don't

753
00:37:59,234 --> 00:38:01,913
Speaker 1: want to blow my own horn, but I am going

754
00:38:01,994 --> 00:38:04,314
Speaker 1: to change your life with my recommendation today. It's solemn,

755
00:38:04,434 --> 00:38:06,714
Speaker 1: it's important, it's right at my own.

756
00:38:06,674 --> 00:38:08,634
Speaker 2: Holy the best recommendation of all of us.

757
00:38:08,514 --> 00:38:17,714
Speaker 3: Today vibes ideas atmosphere, something casual.

758
00:38:17,434 --> 00:38:18,154
Speaker 1: Something fun.

759
00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:20,234
Speaker 2: This is my best recommendation.

760
00:38:21,394 --> 00:38:24,354
Speaker 1: Okay, it's recommendations time. I'm going first. I am recommending,

761
00:38:24,394 --> 00:38:26,154
Speaker 1: and lots of out loud has actually jumped in and

762
00:38:26,194 --> 00:38:28,194
Speaker 1: recommended this, so I'm not being very original. But I

763
00:38:28,234 --> 00:38:31,554
Speaker 1: watched it on the weekend and it is spectacular. The

764
00:38:31,674 --> 00:38:34,154
Speaker 1: show famous last words. We have talked about this on

765
00:38:34,194 --> 00:38:36,634
Speaker 1: out Loud before, which is why the outlouders are recommending it,

766
00:38:36,674 --> 00:38:38,674
Speaker 1: because they all know that we are. This is what

767
00:38:38,874 --> 00:38:40,314
Speaker 1: so there I is now in our thing.

768
00:38:40,514 --> 00:38:42,674
Speaker 2: There was Jane Goodall. Has there been another one?

769
00:38:42,714 --> 00:38:45,473
Speaker 1: I don't think so so quick refresher on famous last

770
00:38:45,474 --> 00:38:48,554
Speaker 1: words Gwyneth's husband Brad, although of course that's not.

771
00:38:48,554 --> 00:38:50,674
Speaker 2: Important, but it is.

772
00:38:51,074 --> 00:38:54,794
Speaker 1: Gwyneth's husband, Brad. Fauchuck is making this show for Netflix

773
00:38:54,794 --> 00:38:56,873
Speaker 1: that's based on a show from Europe that has been

774
00:38:56,874 --> 00:38:59,473
Speaker 1: going for years, and basically what they do is there's

775
00:38:59,474 --> 00:39:01,754
Speaker 1: a completely sealed room with no camera crew in it,

776
00:39:01,874 --> 00:39:05,834
Speaker 1: hidden cameras, and he does an interview with somebody who

777
00:39:05,954 --> 00:39:10,714
Speaker 1: might die soon, which sounds dark, and then it doesn't

778
00:39:10,714 --> 00:39:14,394
Speaker 1: get aired. It goes into a vault until after they've passed,

779
00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:16,274
Speaker 1: and then a couple of days after they've passed it's

780
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:18,994
Speaker 1: released and it is called Famous Last Words for a reason.

781
00:39:19,314 --> 00:39:22,834
Speaker 1: The idea is that the interview is very no holds barred,

782
00:39:22,874 --> 00:39:25,234
Speaker 1: reflective on life and regrets and things, and then at

783
00:39:25,234 --> 00:39:28,314
Speaker 1: the end of it, Brad handsome. Brad leaves the room

784
00:39:28,634 --> 00:39:31,354
Speaker 1: and leaves the interview subject to speak directly to the

785
00:39:31,394 --> 00:39:35,674
Speaker 1: camera and deliver their last words. Last week Eric Dane

786
00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:39,274
Speaker 1: was released because last week Eric Dane passed away on Friday.

787
00:39:39,434 --> 00:39:42,593
Speaker 1: He's a young man, right, He was mixed steamy, He's

788
00:39:42,594 --> 00:39:47,554
Speaker 1: in euphoria. He was a big star. I remember Eric

789
00:39:47,634 --> 00:39:50,794
Speaker 1: Dane mostly, I have to say from my tabloid years,

790
00:39:50,874 --> 00:39:53,594
Speaker 1: because when he became that big star from Gray's, he

791
00:39:53,634 --> 00:39:55,674
Speaker 1: also became a bit of a tabloid fixture. He and

792
00:39:55,714 --> 00:39:59,194
Speaker 1: his wife Rebecca Gayheart, and in recent years he's been

793
00:39:59,234 --> 00:40:03,754
Speaker 1: suffering from als, which is a devastating neurological condition, and

794
00:40:04,154 --> 00:40:07,953
Speaker 1: he died last I think Friday, our time, Australia time,

795
00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:11,354
Speaker 1: and this was released the next day and it is

796
00:40:11,674 --> 00:40:14,954
Speaker 1: an astounding watch. It is beautiful. Apparently he filmed it

797
00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:19,033
Speaker 1: in November last year. He is in a wheelchair because

798
00:40:19,034 --> 00:40:21,514
Speaker 1: he was no longer able to walk. His voice, his

799
00:40:21,594 --> 00:40:26,154
Speaker 1: words are quite slurred, but still totally understandable, especially once

800
00:40:26,194 --> 00:40:27,874
Speaker 1: you've kind of you know, you listen for a minute,

801
00:40:27,914 --> 00:40:31,234
Speaker 1: you can absolutely get it. And it's just the most

802
00:40:31,634 --> 00:40:35,913
Speaker 1: amazing interview because he's a complicated guy, right. He had

803
00:40:35,914 --> 00:40:38,553
Speaker 1: a very difficult childhood. His father took his own life

804
00:40:38,594 --> 00:40:42,234
Speaker 1: when he was only little. He struggled with addiction to

805
00:40:42,434 --> 00:40:47,033
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol, all kinds of difficult things in his life, right,

806
00:40:47,354 --> 00:40:49,554
Speaker 1: and he is so honest about all of it. And

807
00:40:49,594 --> 00:40:53,274
Speaker 1: I think that is the amazing thing about this project

808
00:40:53,874 --> 00:40:57,474
Speaker 1: is that most celebrity interviews people have to kind of

809
00:40:57,514 --> 00:40:59,714
Speaker 1: go and then I've learned all these things and things

810
00:40:59,714 --> 00:41:02,474
Speaker 1: are different now, you know, or those problems are in

811
00:41:02,474 --> 00:41:04,954
Speaker 1: my past, but now I'm great. Whereas he is just

812
00:41:05,274 --> 00:41:12,154
Speaker 1: heartbreakingly honest about failings, regrets, things He wish you'd done

813
00:41:12,194 --> 00:41:16,354
Speaker 1: differently personality flaws Like. It sounds grim, but it's kind

814
00:41:16,434 --> 00:41:19,593
Speaker 1: of I just found it so profoundly moving. He wasn't

815
00:41:19,634 --> 00:41:22,354
Speaker 1: sort of going and I'm great. He was sort of saying,

816
00:41:22,834 --> 00:41:24,393
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done this, I should have done that.

817
00:41:24,714 --> 00:41:26,274
Speaker 1: And then at the end he delivers his last words

818
00:41:26,274 --> 00:41:28,754
Speaker 1: to his little girls, which is obviously devastating, and he

819
00:41:28,794 --> 00:41:32,074
Speaker 1: gives them advice about the world, live in the moment.

820
00:41:32,114 --> 00:41:34,314
Speaker 1: Those kind of things, the things that you've heard of,

821
00:41:34,674 --> 00:41:37,834
Speaker 1: you know, you've sort of cliches in a way about

822
00:41:37,914 --> 00:41:40,234
Speaker 1: finding something or someone you love and all those things,

823
00:41:40,234 --> 00:41:43,314
Speaker 1: but coming out of the mouth of somebody so young

824
00:41:43,354 --> 00:41:46,474
Speaker 1: and vital who's got so little time, it's just really

825
00:41:46,514 --> 00:41:48,794
Speaker 1: poignant because thinking about it NonStop.

826
00:41:48,954 --> 00:41:51,114
Speaker 2: I loved the Jane Goodall one as well. But we

827
00:41:51,114 --> 00:41:54,274
Speaker 2: were saying when you said you'd watched it that there's

828
00:41:54,274 --> 00:41:56,674
Speaker 2: a difference when someone has a terminal illness and they're

829
00:41:56,754 --> 00:42:00,554
Speaker 2: facing especially young, and they're facing their mortality in a

830
00:42:00,674 --> 00:42:04,554
Speaker 2: way that is so confronting, and they have time to

831
00:42:04,634 --> 00:42:07,473
Speaker 2: process what it all means. To have someone look down

832
00:42:07,474 --> 00:42:10,154
Speaker 2: the lens of a camera and share that wisdom, it's

833
00:42:10,154 --> 00:42:11,554
Speaker 2: an incredibly generous thing.

834
00:42:11,474 --> 00:42:15,274
Speaker 1: And I just love the honesty of you know, also,

835
00:42:15,314 --> 00:42:17,473
Speaker 1: when somebody passes, the way we have to talk about

836
00:42:17,474 --> 00:42:20,794
Speaker 1: them is that they were perfect, and nobody was. And

837
00:42:20,834 --> 00:42:23,994
Speaker 1: so he's a really interesting person, you know, who's not

838
00:42:24,114 --> 00:42:26,873
Speaker 1: pretending that he's perfect, because why would he pretend? What

839
00:42:26,954 --> 00:42:29,514
Speaker 1: point is there left in pretending? And so I found

840
00:42:29,514 --> 00:42:32,274
Speaker 1: that really good. And I think that Gwine's Brad does

841
00:42:32,314 --> 00:42:34,554
Speaker 1: a pretty good job in this anyway, So out loud

842
00:42:34,594 --> 00:42:36,594
Speaker 1: as you're all right to say it's good, I as

843
00:42:36,594 --> 00:42:38,554
Speaker 1: I say, I haven't stopped thinking about it since. So

844
00:42:38,634 --> 00:42:41,674
Speaker 1: it's called Famous Last Words and it's on Netflix. Famous

845
00:42:41,714 --> 00:42:44,514
Speaker 1: Last Words is a Danish show and apparently in Denmark

846
00:42:44,554 --> 00:42:47,913
Speaker 1: now whenever anyone high profile passes, everybody's like, I wonder

847
00:42:47,954 --> 00:42:50,554
Speaker 1: if they did one. And I think that that's obviously

848
00:42:50,594 --> 00:42:52,354
Speaker 1: what Brad Foulchuck is going for.

849
00:42:52,954 --> 00:42:55,794
Speaker 2: On a liner note, I have a bit of a

850
00:42:55,874 --> 00:43:01,274
Speaker 2: frivolous recommendation. I have been thinking about packing my hospital bag,

851
00:43:01,314 --> 00:43:03,513
Speaker 2: which I have not done yet. But I'm like, if

852
00:43:03,634 --> 00:43:06,634
Speaker 2: I went into labor tomorrow, I'd be screwed because I

853
00:43:06,634 --> 00:43:09,194
Speaker 2: don't have a bascinette.

854
00:43:08,834 --> 00:43:10,634
Speaker 1: Fairy lights and the smelly candle.

855
00:43:10,394 --> 00:43:14,433
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right, and some really nice meditation music. I

856
00:43:14,434 --> 00:43:17,914
Speaker 2: always loved the tiktoks of people packing their hospital. I

857
00:43:17,914 --> 00:43:20,234
Speaker 2: think Randakur did one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think she

858
00:43:20,314 --> 00:43:21,594
Speaker 2: brought a like a salt Land.

859
00:43:21,674 --> 00:43:26,234
Speaker 1: Yeah you do a playlist? I did. I tried to

860
00:43:26,234 --> 00:43:28,234
Speaker 1: do a playlist right, And this is a while ago.

861
00:43:28,274 --> 00:43:30,674
Speaker 1: I can't remember why the technology failed. But then broke

862
00:43:30,714 --> 00:43:32,474
Speaker 1: couldn't make it work in the room and I nearly

863
00:43:32,594 --> 00:43:34,714
Speaker 1: killed it well, and then he goes, let's put the

864
00:43:34,794 --> 00:43:36,593
Speaker 1: radio on instead, and there was just a low level

865
00:43:36,594 --> 00:43:38,354
Speaker 1: static and the.

866
00:43:38,314 --> 00:43:41,794
Speaker 2: Wrong song comes on, and we made a playlist. Rory

867
00:43:41,914 --> 00:43:44,314
Speaker 2: got it to work. He had the Ui boom thing

868
00:43:44,474 --> 00:43:49,553
Speaker 2: had it on, and I just yelled, being like, why

869
00:43:49,674 --> 00:43:52,514
Speaker 2: is it on? Why it irritating? And then there was

870
00:43:52,554 --> 00:43:55,434
Speaker 2: a Christmas still was I think I gave birth to Booblay.

871
00:43:55,554 --> 00:43:57,834
Speaker 2: I think I gave birth to Michael boo blazing. You're

872
00:43:57,834 --> 00:44:01,554
Speaker 2: a bad Christmas Carol, So I'm like, okay, you've got

873
00:44:01,594 --> 00:44:05,354
Speaker 2: all your you know, massive nappies, all those sorts of things.

874
00:44:05,394 --> 00:44:07,994
Speaker 2: But the one thing I read this years ago and

875
00:44:08,074 --> 00:44:09,554
Speaker 2: I did it with later, I'm gona do it again

876
00:44:09,954 --> 00:44:13,034
Speaker 2: is that first shower after you give birth, however you

877
00:44:13,074 --> 00:44:17,433
Speaker 2: give birth is an important shower, right you're covered in

878
00:44:17,834 --> 00:44:22,074
Speaker 2: god knows goo, yeah, and you need to indulge. And

879
00:44:22,354 --> 00:44:25,274
Speaker 2: I know midwives blah blah blah might not love this,

880
00:44:25,874 --> 00:44:28,754
Speaker 2: but I think it's lovely to have a nice fragrance

881
00:44:29,274 --> 00:44:31,873
Speaker 2: and you can try and have your scented body wash.

882
00:44:32,114 --> 00:44:33,873
Speaker 1: That baby meant to be getting to know your smell.

883
00:44:34,154 --> 00:44:37,314
Speaker 2: Yes, if you think that anything is going to cover

884
00:44:37,394 --> 00:44:40,874
Speaker 2: the smell of farm post birth, then you are very wrong.

885
00:44:41,474 --> 00:44:44,993
Speaker 2: It's just and it's lovely. Whatever vaginal infection I get

886
00:44:45,034 --> 00:44:47,514
Speaker 2: from using a stone right now is right down my

887
00:44:47,634 --> 00:44:50,274
Speaker 2: list of priorities. I don't exactly. I just like the

888
00:44:50,314 --> 00:44:52,473
Speaker 2: idea of having something to look forward to to wash

889
00:44:52,514 --> 00:44:55,674
Speaker 2: myself and have that smell remind me of this moment.

890
00:44:55,834 --> 00:44:56,354
Speaker 1: Beautiful.

891
00:44:56,554 --> 00:44:58,074
Speaker 2: It's kind of like how people get a wedding.

892
00:44:57,954 --> 00:44:58,473
Speaker 1: Scent or whatever.

893
00:44:58,514 --> 00:45:01,913
Speaker 2: Anyway, I use this one last time, and it's called

894
00:45:01,954 --> 00:45:06,834
Speaker 2: Lo satan Osmanthus. Abricot shower gel is like apricot, but

895
00:45:06,874 --> 00:45:09,994
Speaker 2: the easy I'm okay, got it. Hey, I don't know

896
00:45:09,994 --> 00:45:11,474
Speaker 2: if I've said that right, but it's a lots of

897
00:45:11,514 --> 00:45:15,274
Speaker 2: Tian scent and you can get little I had a

898
00:45:15,314 --> 00:45:17,834
Speaker 2: tiny one that I brought in with Luna, and I

899
00:45:17,874 --> 00:45:20,593
Speaker 2: have bought myself this body wash. It's expensive, it's forty

900
00:45:20,594 --> 00:45:23,674
Speaker 2: five dollars. But when I smell it now, like it

901
00:45:23,794 --> 00:45:26,634
Speaker 2: just brings me right back. It's so delicious. And when

902
00:45:26,634 --> 00:45:29,634
Speaker 2: Claire was giving birth, I went into Mecca and got

903
00:45:29,674 --> 00:45:33,594
Speaker 2: the dead cool. I think it's called Taunt body wash.

904
00:45:33,674 --> 00:45:36,114
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's like forty nine dollars. But I remember,

905
00:45:36,154 --> 00:45:37,834
Speaker 2: I just made up my goal to go and smell

906
00:45:37,914 --> 00:45:40,314
Speaker 2: like the perfect because it was something overpowering, but just

907
00:45:40,314 --> 00:45:42,194
Speaker 2: something to make you feel like a human again.

908
00:45:42,274 --> 00:45:44,554
Speaker 1: And the little twins will be like cuddling a bottle

909
00:45:44,554 --> 00:45:47,314
Speaker 1: of lots of time. Yeah yeah, it smells like mummy.

910
00:45:47,514 --> 00:45:49,434
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I'll just put it in their basinet

911
00:45:49,674 --> 00:45:52,393
Speaker 2: and then they won't need me. Yeah, but it's quite cute.

912
00:45:52,394 --> 00:45:55,274
Speaker 2: The one you got me, Rory now buys it for

913
00:45:55,434 --> 00:45:57,714
Speaker 2: me for like special occasions. Now I'm always like, I

914
00:45:57,834 --> 00:46:01,554
Speaker 2: forgot about that. Yeah, smells lovely, Yeah, exactly right, it's

915
00:46:01,594 --> 00:46:03,954
Speaker 2: so good. So anyway, I just think locks of I

916
00:46:03,954 --> 00:46:06,474
Speaker 2: think they're perfumes and stuff. They're just beautiful. Claire, what

917
00:46:06,514 --> 00:46:07,194
Speaker 2: have you got? All?

918
00:46:07,274 --> 00:46:07,554
Speaker 1: Right?

919
00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:10,954
Speaker 2: So I was on a boat at the end of

920
00:46:11,034 --> 00:46:15,034
Speaker 2: last year in townsll and I got chatting with some

921
00:46:15,074 --> 00:46:18,834
Speaker 2: people who were traveling and somebody mentioned like, oh, look

922
00:46:18,914 --> 00:46:21,433
Speaker 2: up this person on Instagram whatever, and this British guy

923
00:46:21,554 --> 00:46:24,514
Speaker 2: was like, no, can do My phone's bricked and I

924
00:46:24,554 --> 00:46:25,754
Speaker 2: was like, your phone is a witch? What?

925
00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:26,274
Speaker 1: Oh?

926
00:46:26,354 --> 00:46:30,033
Speaker 2: Yes, and he explained I can't look at it because

927
00:46:30,034 --> 00:46:33,234
Speaker 2: I've got a brick. It's this physical block and I've

928
00:46:33,274 --> 00:46:35,114
Speaker 2: actually brought it with me for show and tell. Oh

929
00:46:35,114 --> 00:46:36,234
Speaker 2: cool one moment.

930
00:46:36,514 --> 00:46:38,393
Speaker 1: I think Maya once whatted one of these, and she

931
00:46:38,434 --> 00:46:39,914
Speaker 1: bought one of them. She never used it. Issue she

932
00:46:39,954 --> 00:46:41,794
Speaker 1: bought one for me too, And did you ever use it?

933
00:46:41,794 --> 00:46:42,154
Speaker 1: Even once?

934
00:46:42,194 --> 00:46:44,714
Speaker 2: I have to set it up. Oh, I haven't up yet.

935
00:46:44,714 --> 00:46:45,354
Speaker 1: It's like a year.

936
00:46:45,634 --> 00:46:47,754
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Maya got really excited by the brick. We

937
00:46:47,794 --> 00:46:50,034
Speaker 2: all did, and then we didn't. Okay, so this is

938
00:46:50,074 --> 00:46:52,834
Speaker 2: a brick. Okay, This part on the back is a magnet,

939
00:46:52,914 --> 00:46:57,073
Speaker 2: so it sticks to the fridge okay or any metal stuff.

940
00:46:57,874 --> 00:47:04,873
Speaker 2: So amazing. So what this does is that you get

941
00:47:04,914 --> 00:47:09,794
Speaker 2: your phone. Yeah, you down load the brick app you

942
00:47:09,874 --> 00:47:12,513
Speaker 2: lost me? No, no, no, no, no, I reckon it took

943
00:47:12,634 --> 00:47:14,754
Speaker 2: the same Yeah, yeah, but I reckon it took forty

944
00:47:14,754 --> 00:47:17,514
Speaker 2: five seconds to say it up. And you select the

945
00:47:17,514 --> 00:47:19,953
Speaker 2: apps that you want to block, and then I scan

946
00:47:20,154 --> 00:47:24,033
Speaker 2: my brick and then those apps I cannot access them.

947
00:47:24,394 --> 00:47:28,034
Speaker 2: And how long for until I unlock my brick? Until

948
00:47:28,074 --> 00:47:29,234
Speaker 2: you meet your brick again.

949
00:47:29,114 --> 00:47:31,433
Speaker 1: You tap your brick, is correct, and then when you

950
00:47:31,474 --> 00:47:33,114
Speaker 1: want to unlock it, you tap your brick.

951
00:47:33,194 --> 00:47:39,354
Speaker 2: Yes, So theoretically I could in the morning tap my brick,

952
00:47:39,594 --> 00:47:41,993
Speaker 2: put it on the fridge. Then I wouldn't be able

953
00:47:41,994 --> 00:47:45,674
Speaker 2: to access or my social media until I came back.

954
00:47:45,914 --> 00:47:47,514
Speaker 2: And but you've still got your fine so you can

955
00:47:47,634 --> 00:47:50,594
Speaker 2: use pay Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can stuff like everything.

956
00:47:51,114 --> 00:47:53,234
Speaker 2: I don't leave it at home because I convince myself

957
00:47:53,234 --> 00:47:55,674
Speaker 2: I need my apps my job, so I keep it

958
00:47:55,714 --> 00:47:59,594
Speaker 2: in my backpack. Okay, but I do think the shame

959
00:47:59,674 --> 00:48:03,873
Speaker 2: associated with undoing that compartment of my backpack in order

960
00:48:03,914 --> 00:48:06,274
Speaker 2: to give into my addiction, like it's just to you

961
00:48:06,354 --> 00:48:08,393
Speaker 2: just know that mum would break her phone and then

962
00:48:08,434 --> 00:48:11,674
Speaker 2: lose a green yes, and then it would become everyone

963
00:48:11,674 --> 00:48:13,873
Speaker 2: else's path. There is a way to override it, but

964
00:48:13,994 --> 00:48:16,953
Speaker 2: I'm not clever enough to make that work. This is

965
00:48:16,994 --> 00:48:21,114
Speaker 2: a lot better than my previous solution to my technology addiction,

966
00:48:21,274 --> 00:48:21,953
Speaker 2: which was my.

967
00:48:21,954 --> 00:48:26,434
Speaker 1: Safe, your book about a phone phone.

968
00:48:26,194 --> 00:48:28,834
Speaker 2: Getting getting stuck in the safe when she actually really

969
00:48:28,874 --> 00:48:31,794
Speaker 2: bloody needs it. I was using a physical safe because

970
00:48:31,794 --> 00:48:33,994
Speaker 2: and a lot of people do say to me, like,

971
00:48:34,794 --> 00:48:37,354
Speaker 2: what is wrong with you that you need a device

972
00:48:38,034 --> 00:48:40,433
Speaker 2: to stop you using your dace? We won't say that,

973
00:48:40,594 --> 00:48:44,234
Speaker 2: and I think, no, the smartest brains in the world

974
00:48:44,674 --> 00:48:47,714
Speaker 2: are working to ruin my life and steal my time.

975
00:48:48,314 --> 00:48:50,913
Speaker 2: I do not have the self control of your fault. No,

976
00:48:51,114 --> 00:48:51,873
Speaker 2: it's not my fault.

977
00:48:51,914 --> 00:48:55,354
Speaker 1: I needed sorry this. I've been writing a book up

978
00:48:55,394 --> 00:48:58,074
Speaker 1: but this time I have discovered that my laptop will

979
00:48:58,074 --> 00:49:00,274
Speaker 1: do this. In screen time. You can go in and

980
00:49:00,274 --> 00:49:03,034
Speaker 1: put down time on. It will not let you open

981
00:49:03,154 --> 00:49:05,154
Speaker 1: any app other than the one that you're working on,

982
00:49:05,234 --> 00:49:07,634
Speaker 1: so your Microsoft word do you scriven or whatever? And

983
00:49:07,714 --> 00:49:10,394
Speaker 1: it has changed my life because, like you, a moment

984
00:49:10,514 --> 00:49:12,154
Speaker 1: where i'm a little I'll be like, oh, well, I'll

985
00:49:12,194 --> 00:49:13,634
Speaker 1: just go and check out what's happening on Instagram. I

986
00:49:13,674 --> 00:49:17,314
Speaker 1: wonder what emails are doing. Twenty minutes later, and again

987
00:49:17,514 --> 00:49:19,314
Speaker 1: I was like, what's wrong with me that I need this?

988
00:49:19,394 --> 00:49:21,154
Speaker 1: But of course you do need it.

989
00:49:21,234 --> 00:49:24,154
Speaker 2: How much is a brick? I reckon it costs me

990
00:49:24,314 --> 00:49:27,794
Speaker 2: maybe like seventy dollars. Okay, I may have got it

991
00:49:27,874 --> 00:49:31,754
Speaker 2: for sale. Whoa, I may have got it on sale

992
00:49:31,834 --> 00:49:38,033
Speaker 2: around like Christmas. Okay, but worth every cent I say, fabulous.

993
00:49:38,194 --> 00:49:41,354
Speaker 1: Okay, So before we go, don't you have a little

994
00:49:41,354 --> 00:49:43,234
Speaker 1: handover for Yes?

995
00:49:43,834 --> 00:49:46,434
Speaker 2: I do, Stephen Claire. I just thought that we should

996
00:49:46,434 --> 00:49:50,834
Speaker 2: have a private conversation on Mike about the situation without loud,

997
00:49:51,074 --> 00:49:53,674
Speaker 2: because the problem is, like we were meant to do

998
00:49:53,714 --> 00:49:55,913
Speaker 2: a handover this week. Yeah, but every time it's just us.

999
00:49:56,434 --> 00:49:57,593
Speaker 2: We're like, do you want to get lunch?

1000
00:49:57,674 --> 00:49:57,913
Speaker 1: Yeap.

1001
00:49:59,554 --> 00:50:05,234
Speaker 2: Firstly, we really like a Millia in them. Yeah, okay, oh,

1002
00:50:05,274 --> 00:50:12,154
Speaker 2: holl it's fine. We like Tolly last time. Yeah, Amelia

1003
00:50:12,194 --> 00:50:15,714
Speaker 2: and m are part of the rotation. We really like them.

1004
00:50:15,794 --> 00:50:16,314
Speaker 1: No, I that.

1005
00:50:16,474 --> 00:50:19,393
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good at their jobs. There are vibe. We

1006
00:50:19,434 --> 00:50:23,433
Speaker 2: don't have beef with anyone. Maybe sure, maybe Luca when

1007
00:50:23,434 --> 00:50:25,154
Speaker 2: he's busy at he's just can you interrupt him? He

1008
00:50:25,154 --> 00:50:27,234
Speaker 2: can be quite rude. That's the only thing you need,

1009
00:50:27,274 --> 00:50:29,394
Speaker 2: So like that'll be less of an issue for me really,

1010
00:50:29,394 --> 00:50:31,954
Speaker 2: because I'm not married to him. He finds you just

1011
00:50:31,954 --> 00:50:34,034
Speaker 2: as irritating if you come over and interrupt him, but

1012
00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:37,114
Speaker 2: I don't need to interrupt him. You will, though, Okay.

1013
00:50:37,354 --> 00:50:40,994
Speaker 2: The out louders are like your godmothers. Yeah, they're well meaning,

1014
00:50:40,994 --> 00:50:44,994
Speaker 2: they're wise, they're lovely, but they're completely batch. Okay, but

1015
00:50:45,034 --> 00:50:47,554
Speaker 2: we love them anyway. I love them so much. They

1016
00:50:47,594 --> 00:50:52,434
Speaker 2: will turn on you, but then they forget Yep. Don't

1017
00:50:52,994 --> 00:50:54,714
Speaker 2: let people forget me here.

1018
00:50:55,834 --> 00:50:57,593
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I think that's her whole point.

1019
00:50:57,794 --> 00:51:00,794
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that is literally my whole point. My other

1020
00:51:00,834 --> 00:51:03,314
Speaker 2: piece of advice was if you complain or you're finding

1021
00:51:03,354 --> 00:51:06,794
Speaker 2: a day hard with your pregnancy, Todd lart work. You

1022
00:51:06,834 --> 00:51:09,194
Speaker 2: can your grievances, but you have to follow it with

1023
00:51:09,994 --> 00:51:13,274
Speaker 2: But of course, Jesse was pregnant with two Yeah, okay,

1024
00:51:13,314 --> 00:51:15,194
Speaker 2: so it's quite chill for me. So it's not the same,

1025
00:51:15,874 --> 00:51:17,674
Speaker 2: not the same at all. No, I'm not gonna win

1026
00:51:17,754 --> 00:51:21,474
Speaker 2: about pregnancy because it's just like no offense. It's just

1027
00:51:21,594 --> 00:51:25,194
Speaker 2: not that interesting to anyone, I know, but very really hard.

1028
00:51:25,674 --> 00:51:26,154
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1029
00:51:26,194 --> 00:51:27,994
Speaker 2: Now, do you have any questions for me before we go?

1030
00:51:28,234 --> 00:51:31,874
Speaker 2: I do? Okay, So what if you say something dumb

1031
00:51:31,994 --> 00:51:34,354
Speaker 2: and the out louders notice that you said something dumb,

1032
00:51:34,594 --> 00:51:37,594
Speaker 2: and then everyone's like, why did you say that? Refer

1033
00:51:37,714 --> 00:51:41,674
Speaker 2: to before short memories ignore none of your business.

1034
00:51:41,674 --> 00:51:44,594
Speaker 1: What if it was every single episode for me?

1035
00:51:44,954 --> 00:51:47,354
Speaker 2: What if it was really dumb? Yeah, like one out

1036
00:51:47,354 --> 00:51:49,513
Speaker 2: louder remembers, But just kick them out of the group.

1037
00:51:49,954 --> 00:51:53,234
Speaker 1: We have these wonderful, wonderful producers. Yeah, you have Ruth,

1038
00:51:53,234 --> 00:51:55,433
Speaker 1: we have Sash, we have people we can safety. Can

1039
00:51:55,554 --> 00:51:57,754
Speaker 1: you make me look smarter than I am? Please? Yeah.

1040
00:51:57,794 --> 00:52:00,473
Speaker 1: This is a full time, very busy job for them

1041
00:52:00,554 --> 00:52:01,034
Speaker 1: to do that.

1042
00:52:01,274 --> 00:52:04,554
Speaker 2: You know how I said that fact this incorrect. I'm

1043
00:52:04,554 --> 00:52:06,514
Speaker 2: gonna need you to remove it. All right, that's what

1044
00:52:06,554 --> 00:52:07,393
Speaker 2: you do.

1045
00:52:07,394 --> 00:52:09,594
Speaker 1: You know how I so confidently.

1046
00:52:08,994 --> 00:52:14,314
Speaker 2: Fed turns out that was fake news. What about when

1047
00:52:14,354 --> 00:52:16,314
Speaker 2: we run out of clothes because I've already run out

1048
00:52:16,354 --> 00:52:19,514
Speaker 2: of there's racks of clothing. We don't know who it

1049
00:52:19,554 --> 00:52:23,234
Speaker 2: belongs to. Just go and get it. Where do you odorant?

1050
00:52:23,434 --> 00:52:26,393
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't don't kind of sweat too much in it.

1051
00:52:26,674 --> 00:52:28,393
Speaker 1: Last week when you put on a shirt and we

1052
00:52:28,434 --> 00:52:30,594
Speaker 1: did a fit check and you were like, I got

1053
00:52:30,594 --> 00:52:32,594
Speaker 1: this shirt from Meers Rack and Beers. That's not my shirt.

1054
00:52:33,594 --> 00:52:37,794
Speaker 2: No, I'm really scared about this shirt I was wearing.

1055
00:52:37,834 --> 00:52:39,953
Speaker 1: So if you are listening to this and that.

1056
00:52:40,074 --> 00:52:45,434
Speaker 2: Was I'm sorry shirt, which is hundreds of dollars. You

1057
00:52:45,554 --> 00:52:49,154
Speaker 2: probably got some like lunch on. I reckon, I'm going

1058
00:52:49,194 --> 00:52:51,913
Speaker 2: Sally Hepworth. I think it was so worthy, and I

1059
00:52:51,914 --> 00:52:54,393
Speaker 2: think she watched it and went, what a get out

1060
00:52:54,434 --> 00:52:57,594
Speaker 2: of my shirt? Yeah? What about when there's something wrong

1061
00:52:57,634 --> 00:53:00,274
Speaker 2: with our face? Because like today, for example, I've had

1062
00:53:00,274 --> 00:53:02,354
Speaker 2: a biopsy and I have a band aid on my

1063
00:53:02,434 --> 00:53:05,514
Speaker 2: face and it's it's obvious and I may have to

1064
00:53:05,554 --> 00:53:08,354
Speaker 2: fully get this thing removed. What if I'm missing a nose?

1065
00:53:08,514 --> 00:53:12,474
Speaker 2: I think relatable, Queen. I lost my jawbone like a

1066
00:53:12,514 --> 00:53:15,953
Speaker 2: month ago, and well, according to you, I've also lost

1067
00:53:15,994 --> 00:53:16,674
Speaker 2: my jawbone.

1068
00:53:16,794 --> 00:53:21,274
Speaker 1: I think a large hat distraction.

1069
00:53:21,514 --> 00:53:24,634
Speaker 2: I'll go on a winter and the sunglasses. Yes, exactly,

1070
00:53:24,754 --> 00:53:28,874
Speaker 2: great idea. What about when Brooklyn Beckham hasn't done anything

1071
00:53:28,874 --> 00:53:32,674
Speaker 2: for a while and Holly wants to talk about gardening. Okay,

1072
00:53:32,714 --> 00:53:36,314
Speaker 2: what then Brooklyn will do something? Just wait, okay, okay,

1073
00:53:36,434 --> 00:53:38,314
Speaker 2: just be patient, double check.

1074
00:53:38,434 --> 00:53:41,114
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to talk about gardenings in my contract.

1075
00:53:42,234 --> 00:53:47,074
Speaker 2: Okay, good. Just go like around Holly and bring it

1076
00:53:47,114 --> 00:53:51,393
Speaker 2: to Maya. Okay, and just escalate, Yeah, escalate going.

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Speaker 1: To talk about you? Can you step in be like oh, nod.

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Speaker 2: Where do you go when you're stuck for ideas? Because honestly,

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Speaker 2: it's been quite Something I'm really struggling with is that

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Speaker 2: every time I've come in lately, I've been like maths

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00:54:08,154 --> 00:54:09,834
Speaker 2: and it's like no, just because that's the only thing

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00:54:09,954 --> 00:54:10,513
Speaker 2: you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Amelia looks at you.

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Speaker 2: Like have you seen the news? And I'm like, I

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00:54:15,754 --> 00:54:21,314
Speaker 2: actually have not. Colmer, Okay, she's across it. She's been

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00:54:21,314 --> 00:54:24,234
Speaker 2: listening to ABC Radio. She watched sixty Minutes last night

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00:54:24,354 --> 00:54:25,794
Speaker 2: and she's like, have you seen this and it's a

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00:54:25,794 --> 00:54:29,674
Speaker 2: bigger story. That drunk reporter thing. Mum was on it live. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she was just across it. I just call mom, pretend

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00:54:32,754 --> 00:54:34,354
Speaker 2: you want to chat. She'll give you some pictures.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:54:34,834 --> 00:54:39,714
Speaker 2: No, great idea, Okay, very important. Is there any gossip

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00:54:39,754 --> 00:54:44,314
Speaker 2: I should know about like the cast? Yeah, Amelia actually

1094
00:54:44,314 --> 00:54:48,114
Speaker 2: has really good gossip from like the US, like journalism scene.

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00:54:48,154 --> 00:54:49,074
Speaker 1: She knows everyone.

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00:54:49,234 --> 00:54:51,794
Speaker 2: She knows everyone, oh wow. And every now and then

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00:54:51,834 --> 00:54:53,474
Speaker 2: you just get her on a day where she's ready

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00:54:53,474 --> 00:54:55,114
Speaker 2: to talk. Okay, that's got.

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00:54:54,954 --> 00:54:56,834
Speaker 1: Some gossip, but she's not ready to share it yet.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm just throwing that out. But off my

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00:55:00,714 --> 00:55:02,834
Speaker 1: you never know off my Yes.

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00:55:03,874 --> 00:55:08,314
Speaker 2: And Holly now does weight training. Sometimes Holly's gone weird.

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Speaker 2: I was in the kitchen before making my toast and

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Speaker 2: Holly's breakfast was eggs and cottage cheese. Yeah, spinny, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know what I found out the internet. Cheese is

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00:55:20,314 --> 00:55:23,594
Speaker 1: just milk. It's just milk. You get milk, you put

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00:55:23,594 --> 00:55:25,913
Speaker 1: it in a pan, you make it warm. That's all

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Speaker 1: it is. And who's it was going to solve all

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00:55:28,634 --> 00:55:32,314
Speaker 1: my problems? Why not just having a milkshake? Why I

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00:55:32,554 --> 00:55:34,114
Speaker 1: just grabbing a milkshake?

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Speaker 2: Now he talks about his coat of cheese. And on

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Speaker 2: Mondays she gets up really early, so you gotta be

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00:55:37,794 --> 00:55:41,074
Speaker 2: nice for on Monday mornings. Okay, got it. Finally, this

1114
00:55:41,154 --> 00:55:43,393
Speaker 2: is something that's been on my mind. It's been a

1115
00:55:43,434 --> 00:55:46,274
Speaker 2: while since anyone's had a fight. Should I start one?

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00:55:46,434 --> 00:55:50,074
Speaker 2: And if so, with who? And what about Ahma?

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00:55:52,074 --> 00:55:53,594
Speaker 1: Who's good to fight with? Now? Though?

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00:55:53,714 --> 00:55:58,274
Speaker 2: Jesse like MEA's fun. She's started wearing jawts and she's

1119
00:55:58,314 --> 00:56:01,033
Speaker 2: got the hair tenseil. So now I've already made fun

1120
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Speaker 2: of her in line about that.

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Speaker 1: And then I pick a fight with Amelia. No, no, no,

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00:56:07,194 --> 00:56:07,954
Speaker 1: she's too clever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, she's too clever.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's been amazing, Jesse Stevens. We adore you.

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Speaker 1: We cannot wait for news of your babies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you out Louders. And it's been a very look.

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Speaker 2: It has been a wild however many months, but coming

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Speaker 2: in here and looking forward to recording this podcast has

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00:56:27,834 --> 00:56:31,074
Speaker 2: been my lifeline. I do love the out Louders. They

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Speaker 2: give me lots of great advice. They've been so positive

1131
00:56:34,234 --> 00:56:38,634
Speaker 2: and you'll be the first to know when I have news,

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00:56:38,754 --> 00:56:42,794
Speaker 2: and I will be listening, probably providing feedback and messaging.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will miss you very much.

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Speaker 2: I will miss you too, Holly.

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Speaker 1: Thank you out Louders for being here with us all week.

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Speaker 1: As always, we will be back in your ears on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Who wants to thank our incredible team.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank them because I might not see

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Speaker 2: them for a while. Group executive producer Ruth Divine, executive

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00:57:00,314 --> 00:57:04,714
Speaker 2: producer Sashatanic, our senior audio producer is Leah Porges, video

1141
00:57:04,794 --> 00:57:09,234
Speaker 2: producer Josh Green, and our junior content producer is Tessa Kodovich.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye, Mamma. Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of the

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Speaker 1: land on which we've recorded this podcast.