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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Good morning from galligle Land. I'm Taylor Strano. The Golden Globes.

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Speaker 2: This week proved our obsession with heated rivalry isn't cooling

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Speaker 2: off well, at least in the MMA MEA office.

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Speaker 3: Is so hot, but it's also so heartwarming. I just

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of it.

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Speaker 4: If someone had said to me that I was going

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Speaker 4: to binge watch six hours of gay ice hockey pawn,

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Speaker 4: probably would have said no. But I did, and it's

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Speaker 4: fundamentally changed my perspective on a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: May believe in love again. Maybe love Israel.

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Speaker 5: Not for me, but like maybe for other people. It's

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Speaker 5: all I can think about.

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Speaker 2: My entire feed has been taken over, my entire algorithm

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Speaker 2: has been taken over, and my entire brain has been

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Speaker 2: taken over.

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Speaker 4: I don't recommend finishing it at twelve thirty am on

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Speaker 4: a Monday night when you've got to come to work

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Speaker 4: the next morning.

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Speaker 2: So why has this book turned Telly series got everyone

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Speaker 2: and their mum so hot and breaking a sweat? And

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Speaker 2: what to actually queer athletes have to say about it all?

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Speaker 2: We'll ask the AFL's first openly bisexual former plan Mitch

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Speaker 2: Brown to weigh in plus will give you a full

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Speaker 2: rink analysis behind the psychology of straight women loving their

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Speaker 2: homoerotic illness. Before we get there. Klermurphy's Got In News

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Speaker 2: headlines for Wednesday, January fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor, Adelaide Festival has canceled its Writers Week event

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Speaker 1: following a mass boycott from authors in response to Palestinian

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Speaker 1: Australian novelist Randa Abdolphatta being removed from the program. In

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Speaker 1: announcing her resignation, director Louise Adler said extreme and repressive

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Speaker 1: efforts from pro Israeli lobbyists had been behind the board's

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Speaker 1: decision and that it had weakened freedom of speech.

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Speaker 6: There has certainly been a history dating back to twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty three of pro israel lobbyists arguing against the inclusion

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Speaker 6: of Palestinian writers in the festivals that I've directed. They

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Speaker 6: were assisted and are betted by the Murdoch Press in

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Speaker 6: a campaign to silence particular Palestinian writers who came to

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Speaker 6: write this Week in twenty twenty three and conducted themselves

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Speaker 6: with civility, respect and empathy.

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Speaker 1: That's Miss Adler, speaking to the ABC seven thirty report.

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Speaker 1: South Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis has been accused by the

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Speaker 1: Greens and arts commentators of placing pressure on the Board

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Speaker 1: to rescind its invitation to doctor Abdulphatta claimed he rejects.

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Speaker 1: Mister Malanowskis front of the press to discuss the issue,

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Speaker 1: saying that while he'd been asked his opinion of the

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Speaker 1: writer's inclusion based on comments she's made about Israel, and

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Speaker 1: that he offered that opinion but also stressed that it

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Speaker 1: would have no bearing on the board's final decision. He

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Speaker 1: became emotional, explaining that he thought he was doing the

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Speaker 1: at Bondai Beach.

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Speaker 7: I do my best to.

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Speaker 3: Be sello my conscience.

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Speaker 7: And offer a view that I believe is consistent with

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Speaker 7: the interest of compassion at advancing the cause of people

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Speaker 7: treating each other with decency and humanity. Regardless of that background,

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Speaker 7: Julie will have tried to him.

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Speaker 1: Miss Adlertel the ABC that she wonders what had changed

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Speaker 1: from when mister Melanowskis discussed his views on canceling writers

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Speaker 1: three years ago.

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Speaker 6: The Premier actually announced at the town hall event with

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Speaker 6: twelve hundred people watching on that he had thought about

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Speaker 6: canceling the funding of Writers Week. He had thought about

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Speaker 6: his own objections to a particular writer's viewpoint, and he

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Speaker 6: had come to the conclusion that if a politician of

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Speaker 1: Australian novelist Craig Sylvie has faced court after police caught

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Speaker 1: him allegedly engaging with pedophiles online and sharing child abuse material.

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Speaker 1: The forty three year old appeared in Fremantle Magistrate's Court

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Speaker 1: January seven and nine. No please were entered and Sylvie

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Speaker 1: was granted bail with conditions and a one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: Sylvie is best known for his two thousand and nine

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Speaker 1: novel Jasper Jones, which was made into a film and

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Speaker 1: Awards Book of the Year. Some of his work is

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Speaker 1: the author is being investigated. An Iranian official has indicated

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Speaker 1: unfolding inside Iran A's protests that broke out in December

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Speaker 1: upset that the value of the local currency, the rials,

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Speaker 1: leading to crippling price rises for everyday items. International sanctions

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Speaker 1: also squeezing the local economy. Iranians are frustrated with the

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Speaker 1: levels of government mismanagement and corruption, calling for the end

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Speaker 1: of the current regime. The UN Human Rights Commission has

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Speaker 1: currently in the hundreds, with speculation it's more than five hundred,

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Speaker 1: with concerns that those who are protesting will also face

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Speaker 1: Former US President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: to testify at a House committee investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: The Clintons posted to social media, calling the proceedings legally

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Speaker 1: the cusp of a process literally designed to result in

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Speaker 1: their imprisonment. They went on to say that they would

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Speaker 1: forcefully defend themselves. The chair, Republican Representative, James Comer, said

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Speaker 1: he will begin a contempt of Congress proceeding against the couple,

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Speaker 1: saying no one's accusing the Clintons of any wrongdoing, they

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Speaker 1: just have questions. Bill Clinton has regularly been seen in

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Speaker 1: pictures alongside Epstein, convicted felon who lured young girls into

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Speaker 1: There's never been any suggestion that Clinton himself was involved

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Speaker 1: in any illegal activity. The Duffer brothers have admitted that

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Speaker 1: pressure for production and Netflix forced them to start shooting

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Speaker 1: The Stranger Things finale without it even being fully written.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Ross Staffer brought their hit Netflix series to

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Speaker 1: an end after five seasons with a feature length final episode,

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Speaker 1: Chapter eight, The Right Side Up, and the siblings have

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Speaker 1: now revealed they were under huge amounts of pressure to

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Speaker 1: get the shoot finished, so the story was plotted out,

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Speaker 1: but the script hadn't been finalized. In the new documentary

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Speaker 1: One Last Adventure, The Making of Stranger Things five, Matt explained,

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Speaker 1: it's not like we don't know what the ending is.

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Speaker 1: It's all plotted out. I have to write it and

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Speaker 1: we're just low on time. Matt then explained, I've never

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Speaker 1: read eight through and we're just shooting it. I've never

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Speaker 1: to eight saying don't love it. One Last Adventure debuted

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Speaker 1: first table read through to the last day on set,

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, the psychology behind our obsession with sexy

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Speaker 2: gay ice hockey.

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Speaker 3: I should go off or you could stay stay. Here's

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Speaker 2: That's the gay hockey romance that somehow become everyone's new hyperfixation.

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Speaker 2: Heated Rivalry for the uninitiated, and that includes myself. It's

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Speaker 2: a six episode Canadian drama about two superstar ice hockey

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Speaker 2: players who are supposed to hate each other on the ice,

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Speaker 2: but are secretly in a year's long situationship off it.

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Speaker 2: So think brutal body checks, press conference shade, and then

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Speaker 2: hotel room hookups they have to pretend never happened. It's

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Speaker 2: based on a novel by Canadian author Rachel Reid, part

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Speaker 2: of her Game Change It series, basically a whole universe

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Speaker 2: of queer hockey romances that lived long on BookTalk before

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Speaker 2: it's ever got near a TV on screen. The story

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Speaker 2: follows Shane Hollander It's very controlled golden boy Canadian Ford

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Speaker 2: and Ilia Rozanov, a cocky Russian superstar who lives to

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Speaker 2: wind him up. Shane brought to life by Hudson Williams,

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Speaker 2: Ilia played by Connor. Story to say the Internet has

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Speaker 2: become obsessed? Is I want to say an understatement. TikTok

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Speaker 2: has basically crowned heated rivalry its new obsession. The hashtag

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Speaker 2: is full of fan edits reaction videos and people just

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Speaker 2: essentially screaming into their front cameras about Shane and Ilia

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Speaker 2: like their real people, and the two leads are very

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Speaker 2: very aware of the collective lust, even this week, throwing

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Speaker 8: Do you think everyone in the audience has seen heated rivalry?

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Speaker 8: That's a maybe, But their trainers have, and their moms have,

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Speaker 2: So why are people aka grown women so obsessed with

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Speaker 2: this show? In particular? Partly it's the tropes Enemies to Lovers,

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Speaker 2: Forbidden Romance, a queer love story unfolding inside a hyper

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Speaker 2: masculine sport. And then there's the sex sure Essential that

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Speaker 2: also really focused on consent, with things like prep and

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Speaker 2: condoms being talked about on screen, which romance readers and

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Speaker 2: a lot of women watching have really responded to. It's

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Speaker 2: landed right in this sweet spot of a trend where

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Speaker 2: straight women in particular are mainline in queer romance stories

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Speaker 2: as a kind of save fantasy space that feels almost

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Speaker 2: miles away from their own reality. Sex. All of just

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Speaker 2: leads to Towney, who is a huge fan of the show.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, I am absolutely obs val says

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Speaker 2: she isn't surprised by the influx of female fans.

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Speaker 9: I think the Enemies to Lovers trope is just epiicrit.

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Speaker 9: So it's just so popular in romance and romantic and

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Speaker 9: and we love a love story, and this is also

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Speaker 9: a love story with a happy ending. Well, they're lots

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Speaker 9: of happy ending, a happy ending. We love romance. But

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Speaker 9: what the show does incredibly well is it portrays yearning.

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Speaker 9: And yearning is I think such an aphrodisiac. And we

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Speaker 9: don't experience a lot of yearning in our lives, but

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Speaker 9: when we have yearned for somebody. And I think this

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Speaker 9: is one of the things that appeals so much to

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Speaker 9: us is that these guys are well, very sexy, and

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Speaker 9: they're physical, and they've just got incredible slow burn yearning.

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Speaker 2: What started as a sleeper here has now spread across

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Speaker 2: the globe, rising to cult status. By the time the

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Speaker 2: season finale dropped on December twenty six, the weekly viewing

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Speaker 2: numbers had jumped more than tenfold, over three hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty four million minutes. In total, more than six hundred

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Speaker 2: million minutes watched in the US alone, the hypercide, how

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Speaker 2: true to life is it and what real world impacts

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Speaker 2: does it have on the conversation around queer athletes coming out.

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Speaker 2: Mitch Brown made history when he became the first openly

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Speaker 2: queer former AFL player in the CODES one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty eight year history. He himself admits that he's also

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Speaker 5: I have really strong, somewhat hot feelings about it, Taylor.

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Speaker 5: I wish this was a show when I was young,

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Speaker 5: in my teenage, yes, and when I was playing professional

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Speaker 5: warms of my heart that is just so much more

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Speaker 5: than the queer community that are loving, and it's really

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I'm glad you bring up the mainstream

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Speaker 2: base is straight women and mums, which leads me to ask,

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Speaker 2: do you know if your mum's watching it?

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Speaker 5: My mum is watching it? Yeah, since I came out.

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Speaker 5: Mum knew anyway beforehand, but since I came out, mum's

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Speaker 3: Float at Marty Gras, you're a homosexual, Mum, I'm not gay.

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Speaker 6: I was rather looking forward to being on the supportive pearents.

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Speaker 5: Passion denial has its challenges, the rough times, and the

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Speaker 2: Mitch, do you think that it's a realistic portrayal of

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Speaker 2: know that art can sometimes be heightened from what reality

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Speaker 5: As I'm watching it as well as it being hot

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Speaker 5: For me, it's like looking at this story, the words,

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Speaker 5: So for people that are queer that are playing sport

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Speaker 5: it just means a lot in terms of that visibility

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think that this maybe would have potentially

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Speaker 2: altered your own journey, Mitch, if something like heated rivalry

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Speaker 3: Doubt, without a doubt, there was nothing like this.

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Speaker 5: And when I was growing up in the movies, in

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I read this really good, beautiful article by this queer

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Speaker 5: he talks about it's not so much around this moment

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Speaker 3: Put on yourself, the hiding.

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Speaker 5: All of those things just make a huge difference in

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Speaker 3: Because when you're hiding.

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Speaker 5: Something and you don't tell the world, you're just meddling

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Speaker 5: it with your own brain and you make up stories

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Speaker 5: So to have that relatability in this TV show is

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Speaker 5: it's going to and it is making a huge difference

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go, Mitch, there are so many

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Speaker 2: I think about the AFLW alone, so many people there

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Speaker 2: Why do you think players in male codes are maybe

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Speaker 3: We're going to love and care for you a bit,

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Speaker 5: For you know, the players and the leadership to really

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Speaker 5: So there's a long way to go. But for me

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