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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for your Face,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to The Fix. My name is Amy Clark,

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Speaker 2: and with me today Kelley McCarron.

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Speaker 1: And today we are here to solve.

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Speaker 2: Life's little beauty dilemmas, the kind of stuff that you're

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Speaker 5: I hear. We are your beauty agony aunts. If you will,

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Speaker 5: every now and then, sometimes when you least expect it,

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Speaker 5: on the messiest, most awkward, and cringe worthy problems.

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Speaker 1: In your makeup bag and beyond.

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Speaker 2: This episode, we are tackling the unspoken rules of cosmetic injectables.

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Speaker 2: Do you owe people a full confession? We're also diving

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Speaker 2: into a very hairy situation with a listener's boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Probably? But first our beauty headlines. This is the Beauty Edit.

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Speaker 4: I'm Cass, Momma MIA's morning editor, and I'm here to

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Speaker 4: unpack all the biggest trends. Consider this, you'll weekly download

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Speaker 4: of everything you missed in the beauty world.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Sophie, the producer of You Beauty, and I'm

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Speaker 3: here to ask all the questions you're wondering on your behalf.

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Speaker 3: So let's get into it, Cass, what's the first big

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Speaker 3: trend we need to talk about?

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Speaker 4: So, Kim Kardashian is closing her skincare brand, Skin by

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Speaker 4: Kim Wait.

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Speaker 3: So Kim is shutting down her beauty line already? Didn't

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Speaker 3: that only launch a few years ago?

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Speaker 1: You're right?

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Speaker 4: So, so Skin launched in twenty twenty two as this

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Speaker 4: KKW Beauty and KKW Free Grants. So at the time,

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Speaker 4: Kim was kind of looking for something that was a

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Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff, and it was done in

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Speaker 4: who owns a bunch of really amazing brands. And it

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Speaker 4: was designed as a nine product skincare line and later

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Speaker 4: it never really landed. The nine products, which included cleanser,

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four she tried to turn things around.

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Speaker 4: She sort of didn't let it die, then added some makeup,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I definitely wouldn't pay that.

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Speaker 4: No, I know, I think it's quite excessive, especially because

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Speaker 1: So this was a bit of a step at the time.

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Speaker 3: So what happened was it just too expensive.

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Speaker 4: That was kind of a big part of it. And

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Speaker 4: Bethany Frankel, who is on the Real Housewives of New

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Speaker 4: you've got Kim herself. So she's already juggling her four

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Speaker 1: So she has a lot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So wasn't this in a partnership, Yes.

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Speaker 4: It was so behind the scenes. Coti, who originally partnered

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Speaker 3: Okay, Cassid, does that mean that this is the end

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Speaker 3: of Kim Kardashian in beauty?

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Speaker 4: Look, it's a good question, but I think the answer

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Speaker 4: my thoughts, so that Skin by Kim may have flopped,

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Speaker 3: Okay, right, So it's Kimmy Kaye trimming the fat so

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Speaker 1: I'd say.

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Speaker 4: I think she's cut in the dead weight and then

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Speaker 4: she's gonna come back bigger and better than ever. Sophie,

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Speaker 4: I have some devastating news. The internet is saying that

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Speaker 4: MATCHA is messing with our hair.

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Speaker 3: Wait what hold on, don't come for my morning match A, cass.

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Speaker 3: What is going on here?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 4: MATCHA is everywhere right now? And all the hot girls

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Speaker 4: even I have to say, it looks very chic and

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Speaker 4: you've got one in your hand. But a viral Instagram

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Speaker 4: expert Michelle Ranavat. So she said that her hair started

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Speaker 4: falling out because she was drinking too much of it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Okay, how much is too much? What

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Speaker 3: does that mean exactly?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the main ingredient in matcha that's causing a

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Speaker 4: occurring polyphonolic compound. They're saying that it could block iron absorption,

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Speaker 4: and low iron is correlated to thinning and shedding. But

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Speaker 4: as we know, there's quite a difference between correlation and causation.

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Speaker 3: So we're saying that my morning beloved green latte is

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Speaker 3: going to make me bald.

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Speaker 4: Well, not exactly, So Mamma Mia spoke to the experts

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Speaker 4: on this one to debunk it. We spoke with doctor

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Speaker 4: directly causing our hair loss. However, if you already have

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Speaker 4: those that are already low in iron, it could worseen

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Speaker 4: the deficiency or potentially trigger something called telligent effluvium, which

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Speaker 4: you may know is a type of temporary shedding and

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Speaker 4: hair loss, but it's actually not a new phenomenon.

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Speaker 3: Sophie, So it's not just my match to them.

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Speaker 4: No, So doctors have actually recommended keeping tea and coffee

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Speaker 4: at least one to two hours away from meals that

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Speaker 4: they basically say to take the supplements on an empty stomach.

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Speaker 4: So if you're low in iron and you're trying to

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Speaker 3: So basically, don't chug a marcher with your steak dinner.

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Speaker 4: It's more of your iron deficient to just be mindful

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Speaker 4: making sure you're eating your iron rich foods on an

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Speaker 4: if you're a bit worried. So the bottom line is, no,

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Speaker 4: you don't need to break up with your March just yet,

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Speaker 4: but make sure to drink it smarter. That's your beauty

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Speaker 4: headlines for this week. Now let's get into your beauty

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Speaker 4: dilemmas with Kelly and Amy.

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Speaker 1: This one has come from a listener named Jen.

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Speaker 2: So gendm Us, saying, I recently had a small cosmetic

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Speaker 2: enhancement to my lips and lines just to discreete touch up,

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Speaker 2: and I absolutely love it. The change is super subtle

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Speaker 2: I got them done. I admire that honesty, but I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure I want to be that transparent. So do

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Speaker 2: I have to tell people? Do I owe them that information?

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Speaker 1: What is the etiquette?

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Speaker 2: I feel like you are the perfect person to talk

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Speaker 5: But I love that you were like I want to

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Speaker 2: I totally get why gen feels this way, because we

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Speaker 2: do expect transparency when it comes to injectibles and tweakments,

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Speaker 2: but it's from people that are profiting from the way

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Speaker 2: don't expect the average person to tell me what treatments

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Speaker 5: Well, if someone looks vastly different, of course it's none

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Speaker 5: of my business. But if I ask and you're not

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, if I know you quite well, that's it.

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Speaker 2: It's like like, am I going to tell someone that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they did, they wouldn't ask, and I, well,

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Speaker 2: Had done exactly down to the mills literally, but where

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Speaker 2: like probably not the best litmus test for like how

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Speaker 2: the average person might talk about it. But in my

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Speaker 2: friendship circle, I think because it's like in the same

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Speaker 2: have you been to this plate studio, this restaurant. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of like, I feel, I love sharing information in

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Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh, yeah, I did this and this

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Speaker 2: and this, but it's also completely fine not to so, Jen,

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Speaker 2: you actually don't owe anybody that information.

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Speaker 5: You don't owe anyone anything about your body, about what

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Speaker 5: you've had done, about anything. However, That's how I see

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Speaker 5: it on one hand. But on the other hand, my

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Speaker 5: comment about being a girl's girl is simply if someone

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Speaker 5: says to you, oh, my goodness, your lips look fantastic

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Speaker 5: and you have had filler, I just think it's a

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Speaker 5: little bit disingenuous personally to say, well, I mean, you

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Speaker 5: can just say thanks, true, you can just say thanks.

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Speaker 5: But if you're allowing that person to believe that it

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Speaker 1: How you will mother nature, mother nature.

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Speaker 5: Or just a particular lip product that you're using, that's

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Speaker 1: But yeah, if you just private, don't worry.

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Speaker 5: About it, don't overthink things too much that don't affect

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Speaker 5: My partner has a beard and it's a total mess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but honestly, but there's a whole bunch of ways.

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Speaker 6: A fresh shave, don't give me a beard rush my

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Speaker 2: You want to kiss me more, then let's shave. Let's

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Speaker 1: That's just such a good way to look at it,

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Speaker 5: You don't have to hurt their feelings. Just say, hey,

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Speaker 1: Do you want to pass me? Yes or no? Except

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Speaker 1: then if he shaves it, You've really got to like passion.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, And this listener has said that their partner

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Speaker 5: Most people surely are open to a little bit of

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Speaker 5: Producer Soaf has just given us such an additional great tip.

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Speaker 5: When they're not near you just starts screaming into their

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Speaker 7: I need a beard oil, I need a soft beard,

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Speaker 7: scratchy beard. Help please help me and you. That was

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Speaker 2: Right, So listener Julia has asked, there's a colleague at

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Speaker 5: Let us both say how we would approach this situation.

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Speaker 5: It's me being the person I am Oi Jaila jawls,

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Speaker 5: don't get your dirty mits off my things.

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Speaker 1: What if I had a cold, saw your dirty bitch?

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Speaker 1: What if you have a cold, saw your dirty bitch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I probably wouldn't do it quite like that,

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Speaker 1: I just said, hey, babe, do you mind if I So.

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Speaker 2: That is like, that's like, go to HR please.

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Speaker 5: I'm so intimate and really gross, like that's bad germs.

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Speaker 5: Like I said with the husband, think things don't have

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Speaker 5: you just see, don't mind using my hand cream. Please

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Speaker 5: don't borrow my lip bumb I just find it really gross.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to share lip bums or turn it

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Fall on the sword like and send her this episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so have you heard this great podcast? It's called

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Speaker 2: You Beauty. Now.

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Speaker 5: I just I don't see a problem with borrowing hand cream,

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Speaker 1: So let's just swap that out. But they're blip bomb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not okay, And that brings us to the

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Speaker 2: end of the fix. So we've basically solved everyone's problems

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Speaker 2: and if yeah, well, we can't do everything.

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Speaker 5: But if you've got a dilemma that you want us

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Speaker 5: to fix, please send them in.

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Speaker 1: You can email us at you Beauty at momamea dot com.

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Speaker 5: Are you We'll see you next tie bye e