WEBVTT - US Election Emergency Meeting: Not Again 0:00:21.330 --> 0:00:24.370 So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 0:00:25.130 --> 0:00:28.450 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We 0:00:28.570 --> 0:00:31.930 have recorded this podcast on the Gadigul people of the 0:00:31.970 --> 0:00:35.690 Eur Nation. We pay our respects to their elders past 0:00:35.730 --> 0:00:39.370 and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and 0:00:39.410 --> 0:00:40.970 torrest Rad Islander cultures. 0:00:41.330 --> 0:00:45.410 Out louders, Welcome to our emergency meeting about the American election. 0:00:46.170 --> 0:00:48.410 If you've listened to the main show or you're going to, 0:00:48.650 --> 0:00:50.570 you'll know that we've kind of thrown everything out. We're 0:00:50.610 --> 0:00:54.610 starting again because we wanted America like America is, because 0:00:54.650 --> 0:00:57.090 we wanted to meet you where you are right now. 0:00:57.210 --> 0:00:59.810 It is as we're recording this nearly four o'clock on 0:01:00.090 --> 0:01:04.610 Wednesday afternoon. I am joined by Mia and Jesse and 0:01:04.690 --> 0:01:07.930 Amelia Lester, and we are doing a temperature take of 0:01:07.970 --> 0:01:10.290 where we're at. This is what's just happened as we're 0:01:10.290 --> 0:01:10.970 sitting down. 0:01:11.290 --> 0:01:12.370 The temperature is not great. 0:01:12.530 --> 0:01:15.850 The temperature is not great. And Nate Cohene, who is 0:01:15.850 --> 0:01:18.610 the New York Times statistician, has pretty much called the 0:01:18.650 --> 0:01:22.090 election for Trump. He said, for the first time tonight, 0:01:22.170 --> 0:01:25.370 we consider Trump likely to win the presidency. He has 0:01:25.370 --> 0:01:29.370 an advantage in each of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. To win, 0:01:29.530 --> 0:01:32.210 Harris would need to sweep all three. There are still 0:01:32.250 --> 0:01:34.210 a lot of vote left, but in the voting so far, 0:01:34.370 --> 0:01:38.410 Trump is narrowly but discernibly ahead. The Harris camp, as 0:01:38.450 --> 0:01:41.570 we're talking, are not anywhere near conceding. They say that 0:01:41.570 --> 0:01:44.010 the swing states yet to come through are looking strong 0:01:44.090 --> 0:01:46.970 on voter turnout for the Democrats. But if you're watching 0:01:47.010 --> 0:01:50.450 that terrible needly graph on a newspaper homepage and feeling 0:01:50.450 --> 0:01:54.010 a sense of dread, we've got you. We're here, Amelia, 0:01:54.210 --> 0:01:55.610 tell us where are we at? 0:01:55.970 --> 0:01:57.850 I think you put that perfectly, Holly. 0:01:58.010 --> 0:02:00.570 I have to speak here, not as a journalist, but 0:02:00.690 --> 0:02:04.770 as an American, and as a woman, and as a 0:02:05.250 --> 0:02:08.450 parent I won't say mother, as a parent, and I 0:02:08.610 --> 0:02:13.450 feel devastated. And that's because this was not a normal election. 0:02:13.650 --> 0:02:16.730 In a normal election, I wouldn't tell you how I 0:02:16.850 --> 0:02:20.610 felt about the result. But the problem here is that 0:02:20.810 --> 0:02:23.010 this was not a normal election. This was not a 0:02:23.010 --> 0:02:27.290 normal candidate. He's been found liable for sexual assault. He 0:02:27.330 --> 0:02:31.290 currently has four active criminal cases against him. He tried 0:02:31.330 --> 0:02:35.010 to overturn an election violently that my husband was caught 0:02:35.090 --> 0:02:36.490 up in and I thought he was going to die 0:02:36.530 --> 0:02:41.810 in and he calls women really horrible names. I'm not 0:02:41.810 --> 0:02:44.210 even getting into his policy there. No, I'm not talking 0:02:44.250 --> 0:02:47.530 about his policies. I'm talking about why this is not 0:02:47.610 --> 0:02:48.610 a normal elections. 0:02:48.690 --> 0:02:51.130 Did he feel that way in twenty sixteen? I mean, 0:02:51.170 --> 0:02:53.890 this is very reminiscent of the emergency meeting we had 0:02:53.930 --> 0:02:54.730 in twenty sixteen. 0:02:54.770 --> 0:02:58.970 Although it does feel different. Then, we all thought it 0:02:59.010 --> 0:03:00.570 was a lay down for Hillary. 0:03:00.690 --> 0:03:03.010 I'm with her. We came to work in our pantsuits. 0:03:03.010 --> 0:03:04.970 We'd pre recorded a whole lot of content about the 0:03:04.970 --> 0:03:08.730 first female president. He seemed like such a buffoon to 0:03:08.850 --> 0:03:11.250 us and such grab you by the pussy like all 0:03:11.250 --> 0:03:14.050 of that. We thought he was such a disqualified candidate 0:03:14.130 --> 0:03:16.410 in terms of no one would ever vote for him. 0:03:16.850 --> 0:03:21.210 So when he won, there was absolute shock and dis belief, 0:03:21.930 --> 0:03:25.410 which then became quite energizing in a way and led 0:03:25.450 --> 0:03:28.770 to like the pink pussy hats in the street and 0:03:28.850 --> 0:03:31.210 in some ways me too, and in many ways me 0:03:31.250 --> 0:03:32.690 too probably was reaction to that. 0:03:33.650 --> 0:03:34.690 This feels different. 0:03:34.930 --> 0:03:38.970 I don't think Yeah, I don't feel shocked today like enormous. 0:03:39.090 --> 0:03:41.450 I don't feel shocked disappointment. 0:03:40.930 --> 0:03:44.370 Or even trying to get our head around the ramifications 0:03:44.370 --> 0:03:46.890 of it. But do you feel shock, Amelia. 0:03:46.370 --> 0:03:47.530 No, I don't feel shocked. 0:03:47.570 --> 0:03:48.570 How is it different for you? 0:03:48.650 --> 0:03:51.250 Yeah, twenty an interesting question about how it feels different 0:03:51.250 --> 0:03:53.810 to twenty sixteen. The way I think it's different is 0:03:54.090 --> 0:03:58.970 January sixth, in particular, because we knew he was a sexist, 0:03:59.050 --> 0:04:03.250 and he said horrible things about immigrants, and he just 0:04:03.250 --> 0:04:04.530 seemed like an unpleasant person. 0:04:05.130 --> 0:04:07.930 But and he was unqualified, and he was you couldn't 0:04:07.930 --> 0:04:10.450 have policy to a grifts with people, And in twenty 0:04:10.490 --> 0:04:13.410 sixteen we could convince ourselves that maybe this was going 0:04:13.490 --> 0:04:15.930 to be about policy. Different because remember, people will like 0:04:16.130 --> 0:04:18.770 take him seriously, but don't take him literally. 0:04:18.810 --> 0:04:22.650 This is not about policy, about what it says about 0:04:23.010 --> 0:04:26.850 how we think about women, how we think about living 0:04:26.890 --> 0:04:27.810 in a democracy. 0:04:28.010 --> 0:04:29.650 These are much more financial issues. 0:04:29.730 --> 0:04:32.450 That's also why there are a lot of women in 0:04:32.490 --> 0:04:35.090 Australia and all around the world who also are feeling 0:04:35.170 --> 0:04:37.570 very shaken by what it looks like about to happen. 0:04:37.650 --> 0:04:39.850 And often we get we don't live in America. 0:04:39.890 --> 0:04:40.450 Who cares? 0:04:40.530 --> 0:04:42.690 I mean, as an American, As you've said, Emilia, this 0:04:42.770 --> 0:04:45.170 is very different for you. But I think that's women 0:04:45.250 --> 0:04:49.050 feel that same visceral thing that given two choices here, 0:04:49.610 --> 0:04:53.330 but again, between a capable, qualified woman and a man 0:04:53.370 --> 0:04:55.690 who openly whips up hatred against. 0:04:55.330 --> 0:04:58.170 Women, is a convicted rapist, they still chose him. 0:04:58.210 --> 0:05:00.050 So we also need to be clear that the people 0:05:00.130 --> 0:05:02.090 might be listening to this later and things might look different, 0:05:02.090 --> 0:05:04.410 but it is so close. 0:05:04.170 --> 0:05:07.210 It doesn't actually matter if things look different later, because 0:05:07.850 --> 0:05:10.770 we still need to ask the question of how we 0:05:10.890 --> 0:05:14.930 got here. How I am sitting here biting my nails 0:05:15.450 --> 0:05:18.210 about this man being. 0:05:18.130 --> 0:05:20.570 Real close to the so close to the president. 0:05:20.730 --> 0:05:23.730 See, even if there's a miraculous turnaround for Harris, that 0:05:23.810 --> 0:05:24.810 question still remains. 0:05:24.930 --> 0:05:27.290 I'm really disturbed by the gender split. So a lot 0:05:27.330 --> 0:05:29.530 of the research in the lead up was about how 0:05:29.570 --> 0:05:31.450 men were going one way and women were going another. 0:05:31.490 --> 0:05:34.570 And even the ads for Harris in the last minute 0:05:34.730 --> 0:05:36.690 was sort of about you know, your husband or your 0:05:36.730 --> 0:05:39.530 partner doesn't have to know you're voting for her, that 0:05:39.570 --> 0:05:42.650 you're voting for her. It almost feels like men went 0:05:42.730 --> 0:05:46.170 and did something behind women's backs, and in that way, 0:05:46.210 --> 0:05:47.250 it feels really threat. 0:05:47.090 --> 0:05:50.130 It's not the floor, it's the feature. Oh you were saying. 0:05:50.250 --> 0:05:52.570 In the segment we recorded for the main show which 0:05:52.570 --> 0:05:56.850 we ended thrown the talk about that rally, I. 0:05:56.890 --> 0:05:59.450 Was saying, how again to the point of why women 0:05:59.490 --> 0:06:04.050 everywhere feel so despondent panicky about this is In one 0:06:04.090 --> 0:06:07.570 of his final rallies, Trump was talking about Harris and 0:06:07.610 --> 0:06:10.010 he said she's crazy, she's stupid, all the things he 0:06:10.090 --> 0:06:12.130 usually said. And he said she's and he started to 0:06:12.170 --> 0:06:14.570 say the word bitch she said, and he said, no, no, 0:06:14.690 --> 0:06:16.330 I can't say that. I want to say that, but 0:06:16.370 --> 0:06:21.450 I won't, And the entire crowd started chanting bitch, bitch, bitch, 0:06:21.490 --> 0:06:24.330 and that when I even say that, Now I get 0:06:24.410 --> 0:06:28.050 like a nausea and goosebumps. And I live on the 0:06:28.130 --> 0:06:29.090 other side of the world. 0:06:29.170 --> 0:06:33.490 You've just explained for me the connection between the idea 0:06:33.610 --> 0:06:36.090 of how women are feeling and then also the idea 0:06:36.130 --> 0:06:40.170 of what it means for democracy. I feel panicky because 0:06:40.250 --> 0:06:43.090 it feels like the rules that we all agreed on 0:06:43.290 --> 0:06:45.970 have broken down. One of those rules was about how 0:06:46.010 --> 0:06:48.570 elections are conducted, that you need to listen to the 0:06:48.610 --> 0:06:50.010 people and listen to. 0:06:49.930 --> 0:06:51.730 How they vote and respect those results. 0:06:52.050 --> 0:06:54.370 And now that is that you need to treat women 0:06:54.410 --> 0:06:57.490 with respect and like human beings. And that's why democracy 0:06:58.090 --> 0:07:00.570 and treating women this way are connected and make me 0:07:00.610 --> 0:07:03.210 feel panicky because it feels like there are no rules anymore. 0:07:03.330 --> 0:07:06.490 I remember in twenty sixteen when we spoke, Jacqueline Lunn 0:07:06.530 --> 0:07:09.490 was on the podcast and she said that she didn't 0:07:09.530 --> 0:07:11.010 know how to go home and talk to her kids 0:07:11.010 --> 0:07:12.650 about it, because she was like, I've spent my whole 0:07:12.650 --> 0:07:15.650 life trying to teach my kids that bullies are bad, 0:07:16.250 --> 0:07:18.410 and that, as you say, there's a number of rules, 0:07:18.410 --> 0:07:20.570 and we teach people not to be cheats or greed 0:07:21.290 --> 0:07:23.770 or mean or rude or mock people call them more 0:07:24.010 --> 0:07:28.570 arrogant or criminals or unprepared or sexist or racist or liars, 0:07:28.770 --> 0:07:31.090 whatever it is. And it feels this is the most 0:07:31.170 --> 0:07:33.210 ridiculous analysis, but it just shows where I'm at in 0:07:33.210 --> 0:07:36.130 my life. Amelia. Do you know the song Wiggletown. It's 0:07:36.170 --> 0:07:39.610 a song about everything being about Wiggletown. That's like it 0:07:39.650 --> 0:07:42.770 has like a shot. It's a tall the taller shore, 0:07:42.890 --> 0:07:45.010 the fish's fish, the men get caught anyway. It's in 0:07:45.010 --> 0:07:46.490 my house all the time, and I keep thinking, this 0:07:46.530 --> 0:07:50.770 is Wiggletown. It's like everything's upside down. It's like things 0:07:50.770 --> 0:07:52.530 are not as they're meant to be, and I think 0:07:52.530 --> 0:07:54.970 that's why we all feel so disoriented. It's like this 0:07:55.130 --> 0:07:57.170 isn't how the world works. 0:07:57.250 --> 0:07:59.290 You've also just made me think about the fact that 0:07:59.370 --> 0:08:01.050 I do have to go home and talk to my 0:08:01.090 --> 0:08:03.850 fourteen year old daughter about this. And we've talked about 0:08:03.850 --> 0:08:06.330 this before on our shows about this with you, Amelia 0:08:06.370 --> 0:08:08.650 that one of the things that makes Trump a very 0:08:08.650 --> 0:08:12.690 effective political figure is his color and movement and his 0:08:12.810 --> 0:08:15.370 fact he always plays a shock factor and that kids 0:08:15.370 --> 0:08:17.050 on TikTok understand who he is. 0:08:17.090 --> 0:08:17.890 Right, you know what I mean? 0:08:18.890 --> 0:08:21.410 Drama, He's drama and they like that in a way. 0:08:21.890 --> 0:08:24.050 But yesterday she sent me a TikTok because that's how 0:08:24.050 --> 0:08:26.770 we communicate his dates. That was of an American who 0:08:26.770 --> 0:08:30.090 lives in Australia saying, I just voted and here's you know, 0:08:30.090 --> 0:08:32.170 the way that Australian Americans are voting. And it was 0:08:32.250 --> 0:08:34.450 very much for Harris and Matilda said with this stick 0:08:34.490 --> 0:08:34.730 talk and. 0:08:34.730 --> 0:08:35.650 Said can we vote? 0:08:35.930 --> 0:08:38.490 Can we vote against Donald Trump? And a that shows 0:08:38.530 --> 0:08:41.930 that my education is really poor, my daughter, But also, 0:08:42.250 --> 0:08:44.170 how do I say to her they chose that guy 0:08:44.290 --> 0:08:47.130 even though he leads arena chunting bitch. I hate to 0:08:47.210 --> 0:08:48.610 say it, somebody's got to say. 0:08:49.170 --> 0:08:51.810 In most states in America, in all states in America, 0:08:51.850 --> 0:08:54.490 you can't wear a T shirt that says Harris Woles 0:08:54.650 --> 0:08:57.370 or Trump for that matter, into a polling booth. You 0:08:57.450 --> 0:09:00.610 can't have any kind of political slogan on your T shirt. 0:09:00.810 --> 0:09:03.050 But in a lot of states you can openly carry 0:09:03.050 --> 0:09:04.570 a gun into the polling booth. 0:09:05.410 --> 0:09:08.650 Now, that is not a country that we can understand. 0:09:08.930 --> 0:09:11.130 And I want to be really careful because Amelia is here, 0:09:11.170 --> 0:09:14.290 and I don't want to say horrible things about America 0:09:14.330 --> 0:09:16.570 because you and I have had fights about that before. Amelia, 0:09:16.570 --> 0:09:19.010 I understand. 0:09:19.090 --> 0:09:20.970 I got some news for you me, and you're not 0:09:20.970 --> 0:09:22.890 going to like it. There was a poll done by 0:09:22.930 --> 0:09:26.170 Yugov last week in Australia and it showed that young 0:09:26.250 --> 0:09:28.930 men are breaking for Trump at twice the rate that 0:09:29.050 --> 0:09:31.930 young women are breaking. There's basically no women who support 0:09:31.970 --> 0:09:33.170 young women who support Trump. 0:09:33.410 --> 0:09:36.650 Why is that news? Because this is a global thing. 0:09:38.850 --> 0:09:44.490 Sorry in Australia and this cultural moment where young men 0:09:44.810 --> 0:09:48.890 feel anger and like they hate women is not going 0:09:48.970 --> 0:09:50.970 to stay within the boundaries of one country. 0:09:51.010 --> 0:09:54.210 Who did Trump get like, who did how did this happen? 0:09:54.290 --> 0:09:56.210 Who broke for Trump? Surprisingly? 0:09:56.210 --> 0:09:58.930 Because remember last time there was all that oh white 0:09:59.010 --> 0:10:02.890 women let America down because they voted for Trump more 0:10:02.930 --> 0:10:04.050 than they voted for Hillary. 0:10:04.250 --> 0:10:07.410 Or what's happened? Who's he won? Whose hearts and minds? 0:10:07.410 --> 0:10:08.210 Has he changed? 0:10:08.410 --> 0:10:08.650 Well? 0:10:08.690 --> 0:10:11.850 I would flip the question around and say that Harris 0:10:11.970 --> 0:10:15.690 didn't win any new groups and that's the problem. 0:10:16.130 --> 0:10:18.650 So the tinos black men like you would have thought 0:10:18.730 --> 0:10:21.530 that black people would have voted for her. She's a 0:10:21.570 --> 0:10:25.690 first black female candidate. You know, we saw Obama move 0:10:25.770 --> 0:10:28.930 so many votes. Is it a case that the only 0:10:28.970 --> 0:10:32.970 thing worse than a racist rapist is a woman? 0:10:33.130 --> 0:10:33.330 Is that? 0:10:33.370 --> 0:10:34.050 What a lot of people? 0:10:34.050 --> 0:10:38.050 Because well, Trump is the only president in American history 0:10:38.370 --> 0:10:41.290 to have beaten a woman once, potentially beaten a woman twice, 0:10:41.330 --> 0:10:43.530 And so we can see it as trump choice of words, 0:10:43.610 --> 0:10:45.690 so yeah, yeah, yeah, And we can see it as 0:10:45.730 --> 0:10:48.010 Trump winning, or we can see it as a woman 0:10:48.130 --> 0:10:49.170 really really losing. 0:10:49.290 --> 0:10:51.730 I want to contextualize a little bit, and this relates 0:10:51.730 --> 0:10:54.050 to your earlier point me out. So first of all, yes, 0:10:54.250 --> 0:10:58.250 like in Australia, young men feel in similar ways to 0:10:58.330 --> 0:11:00.250 the way that we saw young men feeling in the 0:11:00.330 --> 0:11:03.730 United States. Secondly, incumbent governments all over the world are 0:11:03.730 --> 0:11:07.210 getting voted out. People are angry generally about the state 0:11:07.250 --> 0:11:09.570 of the world. And you've seen like in Europe, which 0:11:09.610 --> 0:11:12.130 we think of as a bastian of progressive ideals, in 0:11:12.170 --> 0:11:14.370 the Netherlands, they just voted in a far right guy. 0:11:14.570 --> 0:11:17.250 Don't you think that's also about concentrations bans. It's like 0:11:17.290 --> 0:11:20.610 this idea of continuity. I don't think anyone gets more 0:11:20.690 --> 0:11:21.730 than one term anymore. 0:11:21.770 --> 0:11:22.610 I think those days. 0:11:22.650 --> 0:11:24.530 I think it's also that there was a really good 0:11:24.530 --> 0:11:27.730 analysis by Adam mcgerney in the Sidney Morning Herald, which 0:11:27.770 --> 0:11:29.050 I think was first in the New York Times and 0:11:29.050 --> 0:11:31.850 it was republished. But he said that when citizens feel 0:11:31.850 --> 0:11:33.450 that their country is going in the wrong direction, they 0:11:33.530 --> 0:11:35.610 vote the opposite. So if you have a sense of 0:11:35.850 --> 0:11:39.810 distrust or you feel you're not happy with the current regime, 0:11:39.810 --> 0:11:41.810 then obviously you're going to vote for the other. 0:11:41.970 --> 0:11:43.890 I also heard it said that in twenty twenty Trump 0:11:43.890 --> 0:11:46.090 lost because of the pandemic, and in twenty twenty four 0:11:46.170 --> 0:11:49.290 he won because of the pandemics, meaning that our brains 0:11:49.330 --> 0:11:53.410 are broken. Everyone's so angry about the pandemic. The lockdowns 0:11:53.410 --> 0:11:56.210 are too long, there weren't enough lockdowns. They're angry about vaccines, 0:11:56.250 --> 0:12:00.330 they're angry about not vaccines. Everyone is angry. And why 0:12:00.370 --> 0:12:02.770 would you want to continue down one path when you 0:12:02.770 --> 0:12:03.850 can shake things up? 0:12:04.170 --> 0:12:04.450 Yeah? 0:12:04.570 --> 0:12:07.450 Yeah, so Amelia, as Mia said, we're not sitting here 0:12:07.450 --> 0:12:09.090 going what's wrong with America? But the thing that is 0:12:09.130 --> 0:12:11.890 also very different from twenty sixteen is everybody knows exactly 0:12:11.930 --> 0:12:14.290 who Donald Trump is. Now, as you started this show 0:12:14.770 --> 0:12:17.010 laying out his credentials, shall we call. 0:12:16.970 --> 0:12:20.130 Him access Hollywood was maybe that was locker room talk. 0:12:20.610 --> 0:12:22.890 It wasn't entirely clear that he was going to follow 0:12:23.770 --> 0:12:23.970 to the. 0:12:23.970 --> 0:12:27.290 Occasion, so said, everybody knows exactly who he is. They 0:12:27.330 --> 0:12:29.890 know exactly what he's capable of, exactly what he'll do. 0:12:29.930 --> 0:12:32.090 And America has still chosen him like it does look 0:12:32.130 --> 0:12:35.570 at this point that he is going to win decisively. 0:12:35.690 --> 0:12:37.690 We don't know certainly, but it's looking like he is. 0:12:37.730 --> 0:12:40.130 He's also going to win the Senate. So America has 0:12:40.330 --> 0:12:42.970 chosen him. And when you're going to get asked, as 0:12:43.010 --> 0:12:46.690 you inevitably are a million times over the next few weeks, 0:12:47.370 --> 0:12:48.650 why have they chosen him? 0:12:48.650 --> 0:12:50.490 What are you going to say, yeah, I'm glad that 0:12:50.530 --> 0:12:52.730 you raised it, because me is right that we have 0:12:52.850 --> 0:12:56.170 had arguments about, Oh, maybe the whole of America is 0:12:56.210 --> 0:12:58.570 just irrigemable. Not that you said that, but that's the 0:12:58.610 --> 0:13:01.450 sort of accusation I'm sensitive to. And I always want 0:13:01.490 --> 0:13:04.570 to point out to people how big America is, how 0:13:04.610 --> 0:13:08.290 diverse it is, and how polarized it is. So for instance, 0:13:08.290 --> 0:13:11.450 in Australia, I know labor voters and I know liberal voters. 0:13:11.530 --> 0:13:13.850 I don't even know whom those people vote for because 0:13:13.850 --> 0:13:14.890 they don't talk about it. 0:13:15.210 --> 0:13:17.530 In America, you know exactly who people vote for, and 0:13:17.570 --> 0:13:19.170 I have to tell you, and I'm going to sound 0:13:19.170 --> 0:13:21.890 like a close member of the media. I don't know 0:13:22.010 --> 0:13:26.970 any maga people at all. And that's how polarized it is. 0:13:27.090 --> 0:13:29.330 So I feel that there are many Americas. 0:13:29.610 --> 0:13:32.250 There's so many Americas. Someone asked me the other day 0:13:32.690 --> 0:13:34.850 how it was that in America it's so difficult to 0:13:34.850 --> 0:13:38.170 get an abortion, and yet you know, gay marriage came 0:13:38.210 --> 0:13:40.690 to the US two years before it came to Australia. 0:13:41.050 --> 0:13:43.650 And I said that that's America in a nutshell. It's 0:13:43.690 --> 0:13:46.210 like every individual state is kind of a country, and 0:13:46.250 --> 0:13:48.250 the problem is You've got these countries that are actually 0:13:48.370 --> 0:13:52.610 much more progressive than Australia, are Massachusetts or California, next 0:13:52.650 --> 0:13:56.890 to these states that are extremely conservative, and I feel 0:13:56.890 --> 0:14:00.450 like you're behalf of Americans. Well, it's actually even more 0:14:00.530 --> 0:14:03.330 I think striking than Europe because I think Europeans generally 0:14:03.410 --> 0:14:07.490 like bikes and agree the climate change exists, and enjoy 0:14:07.610 --> 0:14:11.330 cheese and smoking. But in America, it's like so different 0:14:11.450 --> 0:14:14.290 from state to state. And that's why I feel so 0:14:14.450 --> 0:14:19.570 heartbroken for so many Americans I know who just feel 0:14:19.690 --> 0:14:22.250 devastated that they have to live in a country where 0:14:22.250 --> 0:14:25.010 women have been deemed to be not as important as men. 0:14:25.370 --> 0:14:27.810 Twenty four hours agoy, I saw a video of Elon 0:14:27.890 --> 0:14:30.490 Musk being interviewed by Joe Rogan, And when I saw 0:14:30.610 --> 0:14:34.650 that clip that was going viral, I had a real 0:14:34.770 --> 0:14:37.770 sense that that was in what happened in It was 0:14:37.850 --> 0:14:41.010 Joe Rogan, this was just before he officially endorsed Trump, 0:14:41.450 --> 0:14:43.210 but he was speaking to Elon Musk and they were 0:14:43.210 --> 0:14:46.050 having this conversation, winding each other up and talking about 0:14:46.450 --> 0:14:48.650 how important it was that Trump won. And then Elon 0:14:48.730 --> 0:14:50.890 Musk turned and he looked down the barrel of the 0:14:50.890 --> 0:14:52.330 camera and essentially said the. 0:14:52.290 --> 0:14:54.770 Dare was won the selection. They will legalized enough illegals 0:14:54.770 --> 0:14:57.810 to turn the swing states and everywhere will be like California. 0:14:57.890 --> 0:14:59.090 There will be no escape. 0:14:59.330 --> 0:14:59.850 So I'm sane. 0:14:59.970 --> 0:15:02.690 This is it. This is the last chance. Go out 0:15:02.770 --> 0:15:05.050 and vote. Vote like your life depends on it, Vote 0:15:05.050 --> 0:15:07.290 like your future depends on it, because it does. This 0:15:07.450 --> 0:15:08.690 was the last chance. Man. 0:15:08.850 --> 0:15:11.530 The way that he stoked the fear of immigration, I 0:15:11.570 --> 0:15:15.050 realized in that video that it felt as existential for 0:15:15.330 --> 0:15:17.930 the Republican side as it did for the Democrats, which 0:15:17.930 --> 0:15:20.250 I didn't realize until that moment. And the second thing 0:15:20.410 --> 0:15:25.650 was I thought people will excuse everything if they are scared, 0:15:25.970 --> 0:15:32.170 and I refuse to accept that Americans are bad or evil, 0:15:32.450 --> 0:15:34.490 or dumb or immoral or all of the things that 0:15:34.530 --> 0:15:37.610 are going to come through. I think they're scared, and 0:15:37.650 --> 0:15:38.290 I think it's. 0:15:38.410 --> 0:15:42.570 Very scared of the fact that women can't get abush. 0:15:41.970 --> 0:15:44.250 And that he's gonna and that all the signs are 0:15:44.250 --> 0:15:47.050 showing that he is going to be an authoritarian leader 0:15:47.050 --> 0:15:48.770 who's going to dismantle the civil service. 0:15:48.930 --> 0:15:51.130 That's not what they think they voted for. And I 0:15:51.170 --> 0:15:53.850 think that that's we talked about Echo Chambers in twenty sixteen. 0:15:53.930 --> 0:15:56.370 I think that there's been a lot of really important 0:15:56.370 --> 0:15:58.730 work done to deconstruct them. And I think the left 0:15:58.770 --> 0:16:01.010 has done a lot of soul searching and has gone 0:16:01.170 --> 0:16:03.130 how is it that we live in these silos? I 0:16:03.210 --> 0:16:05.210 really think that they have and I don't think that 0:16:05.450 --> 0:16:06.730 conservatives are the thing. 0:16:06.850 --> 0:16:08.690 But here's the thing that's interesting about that. You know 0:16:08.730 --> 0:16:10.890 how we were saying, did he win or did she lose? 0:16:10.970 --> 0:16:11.170 Right? 0:16:11.610 --> 0:16:14.490 She has had the broadest church, She's had Republicans up 0:16:14.530 --> 0:16:16.930 there speaking for her, She's done all of those things. 0:16:16.970 --> 0:16:19.530 She's had every famous person in the world. She's had 0:16:19.610 --> 0:16:22.610 more money, the Democrats have raised more money than ever, 0:16:23.090 --> 0:16:24.450 and none of it's moved the needle. 0:16:25.130 --> 0:16:27.570 On the abortion point, I read some analysis that was 0:16:27.610 --> 0:16:29.970 really compelling to me that said, the reason why that 0:16:29.970 --> 0:16:33.690 didn't move the needle is because of that state's idea 0:16:33.730 --> 0:16:35.490 that I was mentioning to you, if you live in 0:16:35.530 --> 0:16:39.330 a state where you live in Massachusetts or California, you 0:16:39.410 --> 0:16:41.930 can be pretty sure that you will always get an abortion. 0:16:42.050 --> 0:16:44.890 But isn't he going to make federal legislation which is 0:16:44.970 --> 0:16:48.930 essentially the opposite of roversus Wade, which will override. 0:16:48.610 --> 0:16:55.810 I think that feels so hypothetically. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. 0:16:55.890 --> 0:16:58.130 And I'm not justifying this, I'm not saying it's right. 0:16:58.850 --> 0:17:05.890 But whether it's xenophobia, immigrants, immigration, and the economy, Moss 0:17:06.130 --> 0:17:06.370 was a. 0:17:06.410 --> 0:17:09.530 Literal illegal immigrant to the United States, as has been 0:17:09.530 --> 0:17:12.090 recently reported. It was interesting to me to note that. 0:17:12.010 --> 0:17:15.970 A man is married to the daughter of immigrants. 0:17:14.810 --> 0:17:19.890 But this is Moss overstated student visa and started a 0:17:19.930 --> 0:17:23.650 business when he wasn't meant to. He literally broke the immigration. 0:17:23.450 --> 0:17:25.930 He would be deported on under the news Milania. 0:17:25.970 --> 0:17:29.090 There's also some evidence that she did some of various 0:17:29.090 --> 0:17:31.330 stuff with her visa when she first arrived in the 0:17:31.450 --> 0:17:31.930 US too. 0:17:32.130 --> 0:17:35.290 But to me, it's not just illegal immigrants that Trump's 0:17:35.610 --> 0:17:38.930 stoking the fears of it's just any immigrants, it's xenophobia. 0:17:39.050 --> 0:17:42.290 It's just I think it's specifically this idea. It's a 0:17:42.330 --> 0:17:45.370 bit different from say, the Brexit thing, which Holly, you 0:17:45.450 --> 0:17:47.450 feel free to interject and tell me I'm not getting it. 0:17:47.490 --> 0:17:50.210 But to me, that was about a demographics debate. It's like, 0:17:50.290 --> 0:17:53.610 what do we want this country to look like? In 0:17:53.650 --> 0:17:58.410 the US. It's more specifically about this very simplistic idea 0:17:58.650 --> 0:18:02.250 of people coming over the southern border and then raping 0:18:02.250 --> 0:18:02.810 and pillaging. 0:18:03.010 --> 0:18:06.570 And that is not in a way dissimilar to Australia's 0:18:06.850 --> 0:18:10.410 obsession with illegal immigrants and stop the boats right, which 0:18:10.490 --> 0:18:14.610 is one elections for Australian prime ministers, except on a 0:18:14.730 --> 0:18:16.330 vastly different I say. 0:18:16.290 --> 0:18:20.330 That is such an apt comparison. It's not a debate about, oh, 0:18:20.410 --> 0:18:21.890 what we want the country. 0:18:21.570 --> 0:18:24.130 To look like. It's not that sophisticated, unfortunately. 0:18:24.290 --> 0:18:27.210 It's more just about this idea of the hordes coming 0:18:27.250 --> 0:18:29.330 up from the southern border and criminals. 0:18:29.330 --> 0:18:32.890 Because I heard in Republican circles talking about you've got 0:18:32.890 --> 0:18:35.090 abortion over here in women's rights, and then you've got 0:18:35.090 --> 0:18:38.050 Republicans talking about protecting women, and they think they're protecting 0:18:38.090 --> 0:18:39.930 women because they're keeping the criminals out. 0:18:39.970 --> 0:18:43.170 Like there's this this mean appeared with Trump at one 0:18:43.210 --> 0:18:45.930 of his last rallies and teared up. This is the 0:18:45.930 --> 0:18:48.330 woman who, by the way, he basically complained about her 0:18:48.370 --> 0:18:50.690 being on a period in twenty sixteen. She appears with 0:18:50.770 --> 0:18:52.290