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Speaker 3: Out louders, Welcome to our emergency meeting about the American election.
Speaker 3: If you've listened to the main show or you're going to,
Speaker 3: you'll know that we've kind of thrown everything out. We're
Speaker 3: starting again because we wanted America like America is, because
Speaker 3: we wanted to meet you where you are right now.
Speaker 3: It is as we're recording this nearly four o'clock on
Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon. I am joined by Mia and Jesse and
Speaker 3: Amelia Lester, and we are doing a temperature take of
Speaker 3: where we're at. This is what's just happened as we're
Speaker 3: sitting down.
Speaker 1: The temperature is not great.
Speaker 3: The temperature is not great. And Nate Cohene, who is
Speaker 3: the New York Times statistician, has pretty much called the
Speaker 3: election for Trump. He said, for the first time tonight,
Speaker 3: we consider Trump likely to win the presidency. He has
Speaker 3: an advantage in each of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. To win,
Speaker 3: Harris would need to sweep all three. There are still
Speaker 3: a lot of vote left, but in the voting so far,
Speaker 3: Trump is narrowly but discernibly ahead. The Harris camp, as
Speaker 3: we're talking, are not anywhere near conceding. They say that
Speaker 3: the swing states yet to come through are looking strong
Speaker 3: on voter turnout for the Democrats. But if you're watching
Speaker 3: that terrible needly graph on a newspaper homepage and feeling
Speaker 3: a sense of dread, we've got you. We're here, Amelia,
Speaker 3: tell us where are we at?
Speaker 4: I think you put that perfectly, Holly.
Speaker 5: I have to speak here, not as a journalist, but
Speaker 5: as an American, and as a woman, and as a
Speaker 5: parent I won't say mother, as a parent, and I
Speaker 5: feel devastated. And that's because this was not a normal election.
Speaker 5: In a normal election, I wouldn't tell you how I
Speaker 5: felt about the result. But the problem here is that
Speaker 5: this was not a normal election. This was not a
Speaker 5: normal candidate. He's been found liable for sexual assault. He
Speaker 5: currently has four active criminal cases against him. He tried
Speaker 5: to overturn an election violently that my husband was caught
Speaker 5: up in and I thought he was going to die
Speaker 5: in and he calls women really horrible names. I'm not
Speaker 5: even getting into his policy there. No, I'm not talking
Speaker 5: about his policies. I'm talking about why this is not
Speaker 5: a normal elections.
Speaker 6: Did he feel that way in twenty sixteen? I mean,
Speaker 6: this is very reminiscent of the emergency meeting we had
Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Although it does feel different. Then, we all thought it
Speaker 1: was a lay down for Hillary.
Speaker 6: I'm with her. We came to work in our pantsuits.
Speaker 6: We'd pre recorded a whole lot of content about the
Speaker 6: first female president. He seemed like such a buffoon to
Speaker 6: us and such grab you by the pussy like all
Speaker 6: of that. We thought he was such a disqualified candidate
Speaker 6: in terms of no one would ever vote for him.
Speaker 6: So when he won, there was absolute shock and dis belief,
Speaker 6: which then became quite energizing in a way and led
Speaker 6: to like the pink pussy hats in the street and
Speaker 6: in some ways me too, and in many ways me
Speaker 6: too probably was reaction to that.
Speaker 1: This feels different.
Speaker 7: I don't think Yeah, I don't feel shocked today like enormous.
Speaker 1: I don't feel shocked disappointment.
Speaker 7: Or even trying to get our head around the ramifications
Speaker 7: of it. But do you feel shock, Amelia.
Speaker 4: No, I don't feel shocked.
Speaker 1: How is it different for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty an interesting question about how it feels different
Speaker 5: to twenty sixteen. The way I think it's different is
Speaker 5: January sixth, in particular, because we knew he was a sexist,
Speaker 5: and he said horrible things about immigrants, and he just
Speaker 5: seemed like an unpleasant person.
Speaker 6: But and he was unqualified, and he was you couldn't
Speaker 6: have policy to a grifts with people, And in twenty
Speaker 6: sixteen we could convince ourselves that maybe this was going
Speaker 6: to be about policy. Different because remember, people will like
Speaker 6: take him seriously, but don't take him literally.
Speaker 5: This is not about policy, about what it says about
Speaker 5: how we think about women, how we think about living
Speaker 5: in a democracy.
Speaker 4: These are much more financial issues.
Speaker 3: That's also why there are a lot of women in
Speaker 3: Australia and all around the world who also are feeling
Speaker 3: very shaken by what it looks like about to happen.
Speaker 3: And often we get we don't live in America.
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 3: I mean, as an American, As you've said, Emilia, this
Speaker 3: is very different for you. But I think that's women
Speaker 3: feel that same visceral thing that given two choices here,
Speaker 3: but again, between a capable, qualified woman and a man
Speaker 3: who openly whips up hatred against.
Speaker 1: Women, is a convicted rapist, they still chose him.
Speaker 3: So we also need to be clear that the people
Speaker 3: might be listening to this later and things might look different,
Speaker 3: but it is so close.
Speaker 5: It doesn't actually matter if things look different later, because
Speaker 5: we still need to ask the question of how we
Speaker 5: got here. How I am sitting here biting my nails
Speaker 5: about this man being.
Speaker 4: Real close to the so close to the president.
Speaker 5: See, even if there's a miraculous turnaround for Harris, that
Speaker 5: question still remains.
Speaker 7: I'm really disturbed by the gender split. So a lot
Speaker 7: of the research in the lead up was about how
Speaker 7: men were going one way and women were going another.
Speaker 7: And even the ads for Harris in the last minute
Speaker 7: was sort of about you know, your husband or your
Speaker 7: partner doesn't have to know you're voting for her, that
Speaker 7: you're voting for her. It almost feels like men went
Speaker 7: and did something behind women's backs, and in that way,
Speaker 7: it feels really threat.
Speaker 1: It's not the floor, it's the feature. Oh you were saying.
Speaker 6: In the segment we recorded for the main show which
Speaker 6: we ended thrown the talk about that rally, I.
Speaker 3: Was saying, how again to the point of why women
Speaker 3: everywhere feel so despondent panicky about this is In one
Speaker 3: of his final rallies, Trump was talking about Harris and
Speaker 3: he said she's crazy, she's stupid, all the things he
Speaker 3: usually said. And he said she's and he started to
Speaker 3: say the word bitch she said, and he said, no, no,
Speaker 3: I can't say that. I want to say that, but
Speaker 3: I won't, And the entire crowd started chanting bitch, bitch, bitch,
Speaker 3: and that when I even say that, Now I get
Speaker 3: like a nausea and goosebumps. And I live on the
Speaker 3: other side of the world.
Speaker 5: You've just explained for me the connection between the idea
Speaker 5: of how women are feeling and then also the idea
Speaker 5: of what it means for democracy. I feel panicky because
Speaker 5: it feels like the rules that we all agreed on
Speaker 5: have broken down. One of those rules was about how
Speaker 5: elections are conducted, that you need to listen to the
Speaker 5: people and listen to.
Speaker 4: How they vote and respect those results.
Speaker 5: And now that is that you need to treat women
Speaker 5: with respect and like human beings. And that's why democracy
Speaker 5: and treating women this way are connected and make me
Speaker 5: feel panicky because it feels like there are no rules anymore.
Speaker 7: I remember in twenty sixteen when we spoke, Jacqueline Lunn
Speaker 7: was on the podcast and she said that she didn't
Speaker 7: know how to go home and talk to her kids
Speaker 7: about it, because she was like, I've spent my whole
Speaker 7: life trying to teach my kids that bullies are bad,
Speaker 7: and that, as you say, there's a number of rules,
Speaker 7: and we teach people not to be cheats or greed
Speaker 7: or mean or rude or mock people call them more
Speaker 7: arrogant or criminals or unprepared or sexist or racist or liars,
Speaker 7: whatever it is. And it feels this is the most
Speaker 7: ridiculous analysis, but it just shows where I'm at in
Speaker 7: my life. Amelia. Do you know the song Wiggletown. It's
Speaker 7: a song about everything being about Wiggletown. That's like it
Speaker 7: has like a shot. It's a tall the taller shore,
Speaker 7: the fish's fish, the men get caught anyway. It's in
Speaker 7: my house all the time, and I keep thinking, this
Speaker 7: is Wiggletown. It's like everything's upside down. It's like things
Speaker 7: are not as they're meant to be, and I think
Speaker 7: that's why we all feel so disoriented. It's like this
Speaker 7: isn't how the world works.
Speaker 3: You've also just made me think about the fact that
Speaker 3: I do have to go home and talk to my
Speaker 3: fourteen year old daughter about this. And we've talked about
Speaker 3: this before on our shows about this with you, Amelia
Speaker 3: that one of the things that makes Trump a very
Speaker 3: effective political figure is his color and movement and his
Speaker 3: fact he always plays a shock factor and that kids
Speaker 3: on TikTok understand who he is.
Speaker 4: Right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Drama, He's drama and they like that in a way.
Speaker 3: But yesterday she sent me a TikTok because that's how
Speaker 3: we communicate his dates. That was of an American who
Speaker 3: lives in Australia saying, I just voted and here's you know,
Speaker 3: the way that Australian Americans are voting. And it was
Speaker 3: very much for Harris and Matilda said with this stick
Speaker 3: talk and.
Speaker 4: Said can we vote?
Speaker 3: Can we vote against Donald Trump? And a that shows
Speaker 3: that my education is really poor, my daughter, But also,
Speaker 3: how do I say to her they chose that guy
Speaker 3: even though he leads arena chunting bitch. I hate to
Speaker 3: say it, somebody's got to say.
Speaker 6: In most states in America, in all states in America,
Speaker 6: you can't wear a T shirt that says Harris Woles
Speaker 6: or Trump for that matter, into a polling booth. You
Speaker 6: can't have any kind of political slogan on your T shirt.
Speaker 6: But in a lot of states you can openly carry
Speaker 6: a gun into the polling booth.
Speaker 1: Now, that is not a country that we can understand.
Speaker 6: And I want to be really careful because Amelia is here,
Speaker 6: and I don't want to say horrible things about America
Speaker 6: because you and I have had fights about that before. Amelia,
Speaker 6: I understand.
Speaker 5: I got some news for you me, and you're not
Speaker 5: going to like it. There was a poll done by
Speaker 5: Yugov last week in Australia and it showed that young
Speaker 5: men are breaking for Trump at twice the rate that
Speaker 5: young women are breaking. There's basically no women who support
Speaker 5: young women who support Trump.
Speaker 4: Why is that news? Because this is a global thing.
Speaker 5: Sorry in Australia and this cultural moment where young men
Speaker 5: feel anger and like they hate women is not going
Speaker 5: to stay within the boundaries of one country.
Speaker 1: Who did Trump get like, who did how did this happen?
Speaker 1: Who broke for Trump? Surprisingly?
Speaker 6: Because remember last time there was all that oh white
Speaker 6: women let America down because they voted for Trump more
Speaker 6: than they voted for Hillary.
Speaker 1: Or what's happened? Who's he won? Whose hearts and minds?
Speaker 1: Has he changed?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: I would flip the question around and say that Harris
Speaker 5: didn't win any new groups and that's the problem.
Speaker 6: So the tinos black men like you would have thought
Speaker 6: that black people would have voted for her. She's a
Speaker 6: first black female candidate. You know, we saw Obama move
Speaker 6: so many votes. Is it a case that the only
Speaker 6: thing worse than a racist rapist is a woman?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 1: What a lot of people?
Speaker 7: Because well, Trump is the only president in American history
Speaker 7: to have beaten a woman once, potentially beaten a woman twice,
Speaker 7: And so we can see it as trump choice of words,
Speaker 7: so yeah, yeah, yeah, And we can see it as
Speaker 7: Trump winning, or we can see it as a woman
Speaker 7: really really losing.
Speaker 5: I want to contextualize a little bit, and this relates
Speaker 5: to your earlier point me out. So first of all, yes,
Speaker 5: like in Australia, young men feel in similar ways to
Speaker 5: the way that we saw young men feeling in the
Speaker 5: United States. Secondly, incumbent governments all over the world are
Speaker 5: getting voted out. People are angry generally about the state
Speaker 5: of the world. And you've seen like in Europe, which
Speaker 5: we think of as a bastian of progressive ideals, in
Speaker 5: the Netherlands, they just voted in a far right guy.
Speaker 6: Don't you think that's also about concentrations bans. It's like
Speaker 6: this idea of continuity. I don't think anyone gets more
Speaker 6: than one term anymore.
Speaker 1: I think those days.
Speaker 7: I think it's also that there was a really good
Speaker 7: analysis by Adam mcgerney in the Sidney Morning Herald, which
Speaker 7: I think was first in the New York Times and
Speaker 7: it was republished. But he said that when citizens feel
Speaker 7: that their country is going in the wrong direction, they
Speaker 7: vote the opposite. So if you have a sense of
Speaker 7: distrust or you feel you're not happy with the current regime,
Speaker 7: then obviously you're going to vote for the other.
Speaker 5: I also heard it said that in twenty twenty Trump
Speaker 5: lost because of the pandemic, and in twenty twenty four
Speaker 5: he won because of the pandemics, meaning that our brains
Speaker 5: are broken. Everyone's so angry about the pandemic. The lockdowns
Speaker 5: are too long, there weren't enough lockdowns. They're angry about vaccines,
Speaker 5: they're angry about not vaccines. Everyone is angry. And why
Speaker 5: would you want to continue down one path when you
Speaker 5: can shake things up?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Amelia, as Mia said, we're not sitting here
Speaker 3: going what's wrong with America? But the thing that is
Speaker 3: also very different from twenty sixteen is everybody knows exactly
Speaker 3: who Donald Trump is. Now, as you started this show
Speaker 3: laying out his credentials, shall we call.
Speaker 4: Him access Hollywood was maybe that was locker room talk.
Speaker 4: It wasn't entirely clear that he was going to follow
Speaker 4: to the.
Speaker 3: Occasion, so said, everybody knows exactly who he is. They
Speaker 3: know exactly what he's capable of, exactly what he'll do.
Speaker 3: And America has still chosen him like it does look
Speaker 3: at this point that he is going to win decisively.
Speaker 3: We don't know certainly, but it's looking like he is.
Speaker 3: He's also going to win the Senate. So America has
Speaker 3: chosen him. And when you're going to get asked, as
Speaker 3: you inevitably are a million times over the next few weeks,
Speaker 3: why have they chosen him?
Speaker 5: What are you going to say, yeah, I'm glad that
Speaker 5: you raised it, because me is right that we have
Speaker 5: had arguments about, Oh, maybe the whole of America is
Speaker 5: just irrigemable. Not that you said that, but that's the
Speaker 5: sort of accusation I'm sensitive to. And I always want
Speaker 5: to point out to people how big America is, how
Speaker 5: diverse it is, and how polarized it is. So for instance,
Speaker 5: in Australia, I know labor voters and I know liberal voters.
Speaker 4: I don't even know whom those people vote for because
Speaker 4: they don't talk about it.
Speaker 5: In America, you know exactly who people vote for, and
Speaker 5: I have to tell you, and I'm going to sound
Speaker 5: like a close member of the media. I don't know
Speaker 5: any maga people at all. And that's how polarized it is.
Speaker 3: So I feel that there are many Americas.
Speaker 5: There's so many Americas. Someone asked me the other day
Speaker 5: how it was that in America it's so difficult to
Speaker 5: get an abortion, and yet you know, gay marriage came
Speaker 5: to the US two years before it came to Australia.
Speaker 5: And I said that that's America in a nutshell. It's
Speaker 5: like every individual state is kind of a country, and
Speaker 5: the problem is You've got these countries that are actually
Speaker 5: much more progressive than Australia, are Massachusetts or California, next
Speaker 5: to these states that are extremely conservative, and I feel
Speaker 5: like you're behalf of Americans. Well, it's actually even more
Speaker 5: I think striking than Europe because I think Europeans generally
Speaker 5: like bikes and agree the climate change exists, and enjoy
Speaker 5: cheese and smoking. But in America, it's like so different
Speaker 5: from state to state. And that's why I feel so
Speaker 5: heartbroken for so many Americans I know who just feel
Speaker 5: devastated that they have to live in a country where
Speaker 5: women have been deemed to be not as important as men.
Speaker 7: Twenty four hours agoy, I saw a video of Elon
Speaker 7: Musk being interviewed by Joe Rogan, And when I saw
Speaker 7: that clip that was going viral, I had a real
Speaker 7: sense that that was in what happened in It was
Speaker 7: Joe Rogan, this was just before he officially endorsed Trump,
Speaker 7: but he was speaking to Elon Musk and they were
Speaker 7: having this conversation, winding each other up and talking about
Speaker 7: how important it was that Trump won. And then Elon
Speaker 7: Musk turned and he looked down the barrel of the
Speaker 7: camera and essentially said the.
Speaker 8: Dare was won the selection. They will legalized enough illegals
Speaker 8: to turn the swing states and everywhere will be like California.
Speaker 8: There will be no escape.
Speaker 1: So I'm sane.
Speaker 8: This is it. This is the last chance. Go out
Speaker 8: and vote. Vote like your life depends on it, Vote
Speaker 8: like your future depends on it, because it does. This
Speaker 8: was the last chance. Man.
Speaker 7: The way that he stoked the fear of immigration, I
Speaker 7: realized in that video that it felt as existential for
Speaker 7: the Republican side as it did for the Democrats, which
Speaker 7: I didn't realize until that moment. And the second thing
Speaker 7: was I thought people will excuse everything if they are scared,
Speaker 7: and I refuse to accept that Americans are bad or evil,
Speaker 7: or dumb or immoral or all of the things that
Speaker 7: are going to come through. I think they're scared, and
Speaker 7: I think it's.
Speaker 6: Very scared of the fact that women can't get abush.
Speaker 3: And that he's gonna and that all the signs are
Speaker 3: showing that he is going to be an authoritarian leader
Speaker 3: who's going to dismantle the civil service.
Speaker 7: That's not what they think they voted for. And I
Speaker 7: think that that's we talked about Echo Chambers in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 7: I think that there's been a lot of really important
Speaker 7: work done to deconstruct them. And I think the left
Speaker 7: has done a lot of soul searching and has gone
Speaker 7: how is it that we live in these silos? I
Speaker 7: really think that they have and I don't think that
Speaker 7: conservatives are the thing.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing that's interesting about that. You know
Speaker 3: how we were saying, did he win or did she lose?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: She has had the broadest church, She's had Republicans up
Speaker 3: there speaking for her, She's done all of those things.
Speaker 3: She's had every famous person in the world. She's had
Speaker 3: more money, the Democrats have raised more money than ever,
Speaker 3: and none of it's moved the needle.
Speaker 5: On the abortion point, I read some analysis that was
Speaker 5: really compelling to me that said, the reason why that
Speaker 5: didn't move the needle is because of that state's idea
Speaker 5: that I was mentioning to you, if you live in
Speaker 5: a state where you live in Massachusetts or California, you
Speaker 5: can be pretty sure that you will always get an abortion.
Speaker 6: But isn't he going to make federal legislation which is
Speaker 6: essentially the opposite of roversus Wade, which will override.
Speaker 7: I think that feels so hypothetically. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 7: And I'm not justifying this, I'm not saying it's right.
Speaker 7: But whether it's xenophobia, immigrants, immigration, and the economy, Moss
Speaker 7: was a.
Speaker 5: Literal illegal immigrant to the United States, as has been
Speaker 5: recently reported. It was interesting to me to note that.
Speaker 6: A man is married to the daughter of immigrants.
Speaker 5: But this is Moss overstated student visa and started a
Speaker 5: business when he wasn't meant to. He literally broke the immigration.
Speaker 4: He would be deported on under the news Milania.
Speaker 5: There's also some evidence that she did some of various
Speaker 5: stuff with her visa when she first arrived in the
Speaker 5: US too.
Speaker 6: But to me, it's not just illegal immigrants that Trump's
Speaker 6: stoking the fears of it's just any immigrants, it's xenophobia.
Speaker 5: It's just I think it's specifically this idea. It's a
Speaker 5: bit different from say, the Brexit thing, which Holly, you
Speaker 5: feel free to interject and tell me I'm not getting it.
Speaker 5: But to me, that was about a demographics debate. It's like,
Speaker 5: what do we want this country to look like? In
Speaker 5: the US. It's more specifically about this very simplistic idea
Speaker 5: of people coming over the southern border and then raping
Speaker 5: and pillaging.
Speaker 3: And that is not in a way dissimilar to Australia's
Speaker 3: obsession with illegal immigrants and stop the boats right, which
Speaker 3: is one elections for Australian prime ministers, except on a
Speaker 3: vastly different I say.
Speaker 5: That is such an apt comparison. It's not a debate about, oh,
Speaker 5: what we want the country.
Speaker 4: To look like. It's not that sophisticated, unfortunately.
Speaker 5: It's more just about this idea of the hordes coming
Speaker 5: up from the southern border and criminals.
Speaker 7: Because I heard in Republican circles talking about you've got
Speaker 7: abortion over here in women's rights, and then you've got
Speaker 7: Republicans talking about protecting women, and they think they're protecting
Speaker 7: women because they're keeping the criminals out.
Speaker 5: Like there's this this mean appeared with Trump at one
Speaker 5: of his last rallies and teared up. This is the
Speaker 5: woman who, by the way, he basically complained about her
Speaker 5: being on a period in twenty sixteen. She appears with
Speaker 5: him at this rally with tears in her eyes and
Speaker 5: she's like, thank you for protecting me.
Speaker 1: The thing.
Speaker 3: To Elon Musk for a minute, he isn't just a
Speaker 3: famous person influencer type. He's not Beyonce. He's like the
Speaker 3: richest man in the worlds it controls almost everything. And
Speaker 3: Trump buddying up to him and a few of the
Speaker 3: other big tech guys and promising them whatever they've wanted,
Speaker 3: I think, without question has got to be one of
Speaker 3: the biggest parts of it.
Speaker 5: I think one tweet I agree with everything, except I
Speaker 5: think it was the tech guys that butted up to Trump.
Speaker 5: Trump didn't sit down and come up with a strategy.
Speaker 3: They're the evil genius really pulling the strengths like Putin.
Speaker 5: It's like Kim Jong is not the puppet as Trump
Speaker 5: accused of being.
Speaker 4: Trump's the puppet puppet.
Speaker 1: Look, we're going to wrap up, but I just what.
Speaker 7: I'm closed, Nothing can happen.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go home.
Speaker 6: Is that women are feeling different today all around the world.
Speaker 6: I think, sorry, not all women, but in Australia as well.
Speaker 6: Women's reactions to this versus men's reactions, like even if
Speaker 6: you're anti Trump, which my husband is and my sons are,
Speaker 6: but it's different.
Speaker 4: My daughter and I are like.
Speaker 1: It's hard to explain it.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 4: Is the closest I've heard to how I feel fear.
Speaker 1: To me, it's fear, and it's just they could turn it.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like, like I want to be.
Speaker 6: And it's like, Oh, I thought we'd established like what
Speaker 6: you said about I thought we'd established with ground rules.
Speaker 6: I thought you'd established that maybe the guy running for
Speaker 6: public office doesn't just call a woman garbage and a
Speaker 6: bitch and dumb and change.
Speaker 1: And it's like everyone went, yeah, he's a rapist. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's my guy. I want that guy. She's a rapist.
Speaker 7: About that demographic of men that scares me. It's almost
Speaker 7: like this in cell underworld. And that's horrible because I
Speaker 7: know that's only a very small percentage, but it's all
Speaker 7: these college bros, all these Maybe it's.
Speaker 4: Not, Jessie, I think that's why we're freaking.
Speaker 5: I thought it was because I thought it was a
Speaker 5: small percentage, and I thought they wouldn't leave their houses,
Speaker 5: but because remember in the US, you can always just
Speaker 5: stay at home, but they didn't.
Speaker 4: They went out.
Speaker 1: And the women women must have voted for him too,
Speaker 1: like they must have.
Speaker 4: A lot of people didn't.
Speaker 7: A lot of people in the US voted for Harris
Speaker 7: and like that must sting today and.
Speaker 3: As we're talking now, we don't know. But in the
Speaker 3: days before, they were saying women were coming out in
Speaker 3: record numbers.
Speaker 7: So Zara Curtis, who's our chief content officer, I was
Speaker 7: speaking to her the other day, who somehow managed to
Speaker 7: get through the whole Joe Rogan Trump interview.
Speaker 1: She listened for three hours.
Speaker 7: She listened to three hours, and she said, I listened
Speaker 7: because I was waiting for either man to use her name,
Speaker 7: first or second name. And they went for three hours
Speaker 7: and neither of them ever said her name. They referred
Speaker 7: to her as her or she, which.
Speaker 1: I think to humanized.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, look, and we've got to be careful because
Speaker 6: it just feels very emotional. It feels like more than
Speaker 6: just you know, there are election nights in Australia where
Speaker 6: the person you've wanted to win didn't win, and it's
Speaker 6: a bummer and you feel annoyed or you feel upset
Speaker 6: or whatever. But I don't think you feel existentially under threat.
Speaker 4: How do you feelk It's different from twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I think in twenty sixteen it was a shock.
Speaker 6: This year, it's much more despair because we've been here
Speaker 6: it's like last time, it almost could have been a
Speaker 6: glitch in the matrix.
Speaker 1: And that's why I.
Speaker 6: Think those first couple of years were so energizing, because
Speaker 6: it's like, wait till they find this out, and wait
Speaker 6: till and something will happen and the cavalry and he'll
Speaker 6: just get kicked out or he'll be disqualified, and it's like,
Speaker 6: not only that, but he was nearly re elected in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty, then he was charged with all of these crimes.
Speaker 6: Then he was convicted of being a rapist and still
Speaker 6: looks like an overwhelming victory, and now he's got that
Speaker 6: process that except, yeah, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 4: We always thought it was glitching the matrix and that
Speaker 4: it was like the other shoe will drop.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a flaw, it was a feature. They love
Speaker 6: this about him, They love all all of this about him.
Speaker 5: Can I ask one more question, Jesse, you said the
Speaker 5: Rogan endorsement was when you kind of knew things were
Speaker 5: not going well.
Speaker 4: Why did he do that and why did you it's
Speaker 4: so late? Do you think I think that was intentional?
Speaker 7: I think the lateness of it all was intentional because
Speaker 7: it was on the day that wasizing if I am
Speaker 7: a man in and I'm trying really hard not to
Speaker 7: be disparaging, because I actually think this disparaging tone that
Speaker 7: is used against men has.
Speaker 4: The problem as part of the problem.
Speaker 7: But what I was going to say is, like the
Speaker 7: man who's sitting in his basement got up and went
Speaker 7: and voted because it was new, and it was the
Speaker 7: first thing that like I work up to. It was
Speaker 7: a headline. It was a headline that ran everywhere. It
Speaker 7: was genius.
Speaker 6: It was just like the same reason that the Washington Post,
Speaker 6: owned by Jeff Bezos, who went against what's been happening
Speaker 6: for the last sort of twenty or thirty years.
Speaker 1: And didn't endorse either candidate.
Speaker 6: Everyone was talking about that, and the surprise and the
Speaker 6: analysis was that it's called something anticipaid rey obedience. That
Speaker 6: everybody knew, including Joe Rogan, including Elon Musk, including they
Speaker 6: sniffed the wind, and they knew if they went against Kamala,
Speaker 6: they wouldn't be punished if Kamala got in, but if
Speaker 6: they went against Trump. He's got a burn book.
Speaker 7: Yeah, do you believe that.
Speaker 1: A burn book?
Speaker 3: He has been clear about punishing his enemy and one
Speaker 3: of the most one of the things he's most well
Speaker 3: known for is his streak of intense revenge. So there'll
Speaker 3: be a lot of people in American media and politics
Speaker 3: right now packing their bags. I want to know what
Speaker 3: do we leave our out louders with. Obviously, as we
Speaker 3: say it's Wednesday night, we don't know for sure for sure,
Speaker 3: but this is the way it's all looking.
Speaker 1: I've got one bit of hope.
Speaker 6: So, as I said at the start, things work in pendulums, right,
Speaker 6: And I think one of the things that came out
Speaker 6: of a Trump presidency was me too. And I think
Speaker 6: that there's something that can be quite galvanizing and quite
Speaker 6: organizing and almost unifying.
Speaker 3: But we've just seen that mea. We've just seen this
Speaker 3: enormous swell of support for for Harris.
Speaker 1: All the volunteers.
Speaker 3: I don't think the problem here is that the left
Speaker 3: have been galvanized. I think a lot of the blame
Speaker 3: will probably end up falling on the Democrats, and Biden
Speaker 3: should have resigned sooner, and they didn't go through the
Speaker 3: right pro and she was never a strong enough candidate
Speaker 3: and the nation wasn't ready for her. We'll see all that,
Speaker 3: but it's too soon for that now. But I think
Speaker 3: you can't argue that they haven't tried hard.
Speaker 4: I have a bright spot.
Speaker 5: God, Trump's a bit miserable too, Like he looks tired.
Speaker 5: There was the swaying at the rally. I mean, he's
Speaker 5: not going to have a good time.
Speaker 3: But if he goes off to play golf, who he
Speaker 3: leaves in charge and not the people you really want
Speaker 3: in charge? JD. Don Junior, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to stop it.
Speaker 7: I think sixteen was about echo Chambers, and I think
Speaker 7: twenty twenty four is going to be about gender. I
Speaker 7: think that that's going to be the thing that's going
Speaker 7: to be the next year.
Speaker 5: We got there with Hillary because you said this to
Speaker 5: me recently, you said, the reason we didn't get that
Speaker 5: with Hillary is because she was a Clinton.
Speaker 4: So there was so much baggage there.
Speaker 3: I think it has got worse, but there's also but
Speaker 3: there's also always an excuse for why a woman isn't
Speaker 3: the right woman. It's like, well, she was a Clinton
Speaker 3: and Harris is of color, and the nation isn't ready
Speaker 3: for that, and that woman will be this, and that
Speaker 3: woman will be that. There's always a reason why.
Speaker 7: The stop putting women forward.
Speaker 6: Because I don't exactly like I just for the rapist
Speaker 6: is what the popular votes seem to say in America.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm going to do. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'm allowed to do this. I'll be checking in.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna turn my fucking phone off. That's what I'm going.
Speaker 7: To do until Friday when we upload. We're going to
Speaker 7: do a Friday episode where we do not talk about
Speaker 7: the election one time, because escapism and distraction.
Speaker 6: So there we go, there's there's on Friday with nothing
Speaker 6: about this dark day.
Speaker 4: Nothing. We love you, Thank you, thanks everyone, Big hugs Outlauders.
Speaker 3: That's all We've got, chocolate, ice cream coffee.
Speaker 1: Bye bye