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Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture feaks. I'm Laura Brodneck

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Speaker 1: and I'm m Burnham up on the show today, Megan

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Speaker 1: and Harry have finally gifted us with their Christmas card,

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Speaker 1: and as always, there is some hidden detail and even

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Speaker 1: if they wouldn't, we would manufacture them because that's what

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Speaker 1: we do here. Also, in more serious news, the story

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Speaker 1: around the allegations against jay Z has changed a lot

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Speaker 1: of different information there we're going to get into but first.

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Speaker 2: But first, the season three of White Lotus trailer has

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Speaker 2: just dropped and I think I've watched it about five times.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the White Lords in Thailand cuts, I'm on

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Speaker 1: an exchange programmer. I'm trying to feel like something is

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Speaker 1: going to come out of this. Would you do something

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Speaker 1: fun today? She literally lives off male attention, yspathetic. If

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Speaker 1: everybody given to the instinct, it be total depravity, like

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Speaker 1: a rest to the bottom Somemo style. Malarasa Pam, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to drink myself to sleep.

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Speaker 2: So this season, it's going to be set in Thailand

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Speaker 2: at a luxurious resort like the call the White Lotus obviously,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like it's going to be a bit

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Speaker 2: woo woo this season. Have you watched a trailer?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Was it given kind of nine perfect stranger energy?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it definitely came across as bringing more of the

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Speaker 1: drama and less of like the sexy, like you know,

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Speaker 1: whats of rich white people on holiday the we've seen

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Speaker 1: before and then an unfortunate murder. This was setting up.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of different factors aside from the

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Speaker 1: murder that's not going to be like the main story point.

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Speaker 2: We did see a body bag in the trailer, so

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Speaker 1: We don't worry there is a dead body there.

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Speaker 2: There is a dead body in this season. I was

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Speaker 1: Well, this season, the White Lotus production officially partnered with

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Speaker 1: Thailand Tourism to have a lot of crossover there, so

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Speaker 1: I think that that's also for promotion and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: White Lotus, the whole point of the show is that

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Speaker 1: people go to these beautiful destinations and just stay in

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Speaker 2: Like that's literally all the best holiday I can ever

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Speaker 2: think of. So some of the people who are starring

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Speaker 2: in this is Natasha Rothwell is coming back to reprise

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Speaker 1: Love that.

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Speaker 2: Lisa from Black Pink is making her acting debut as Mook,

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Speaker 1: Do you like Lisa?

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Speaker 2: I feel like we talked about her previously in like

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Speaker 2: the Hollywood roundup of like the Biggest Stars the Next Generation.

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Speaker 2: Didn't even think of that. And my favorite Amy Loe

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Speaker 1: So I think she's the standout from the trailer, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So season three is going to premiere in February sixteenth

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Speaker 1: Review of this one. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I've got some breaking news for you, Prince Harry.

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Speaker 1: Is he still a prince? I'm sure, Yes, he's still

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Speaker 2: Harry and Mega Markle have released their twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: holiday card and they're saving the planet because it was

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Speaker 1: Yes, are you subscribed?

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Speaker 1: Oh so you got a Christmas card? I didn't get one, but.

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Speaker 2: I okay, So I have a specific inbox just for newsletters. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so there's like fifty thousand unread emails in there, and

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Speaker 2: it was taking two long to loads. I couldn't actually

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Speaker 2: find the card. Well that's nice, but they're like, this

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Speaker 2: has been reported everywhere. People care so so much. So

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Speaker 2: I want to kind of break down the essence of

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Speaker 2: The one in the middle is the one that everyone's

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Speaker 2: their children, Prince Archie and Princess Lila Beet. Archie right

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Speaker 2: we have like a we've done a whole episode, I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like there's so much happening in this photo

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Speaker 2: The last Osmas photo they showed of them was in

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But even in this photo, it's only their backs.

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Speaker 1: You can't see their faces. You can see more of

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Speaker 1: But showing the dogs is a bold choice because you

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Speaker 2: When there Boger's looking at these photos going.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I get this card and she promised me

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Speaker 1: Didn't get those didn't get any jam poor Bogart. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So in the card it says on behalf of the

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Speaker 2: of Sussex, Archwell Productions and Archwell Foundations, like why am

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Speaker 1: There's so much damage control happening in this car, which

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Speaker 1: So either way, they were damned. And I also think

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Speaker 1: Every big question that you've had about us, every accusation

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Speaker 1: hard working digital Christmas card. Also interesting that they put

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Speaker 2: They love that title so much.

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Speaker 1: There's always a lot of kind of backlash of like,

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Speaker 1: Well, officially they can still use them. They didn't have

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Speaker 2: Because they don't have last names or old family not

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Speaker 2: Because it isn't like William was also called William Wales.

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Speaker 1: and at least it says like if you look at

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening to this Spill today. The

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