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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the

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Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is

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Speaker 1: recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mamma MIA's

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Speaker 1: twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. Have you ever joked

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Speaker 1: with your girlfriends about how you used to be able

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Speaker 1: to handle a hangover much better than you do now?

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Speaker 1: That he used to be like a bit of a

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Speaker 1: dodgy Sunday morning but a full recovery after a greasy

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Speaker 1: breakfast and a few waters, only to now suffer for

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Speaker 1: literal days after a night out. Turns out as you age,

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Speaker 1: your tolerance for alcohol drops and we'll tell you why.

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Speaker 1: But first here's the latest from the Quickie newsroom. Friday,

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Speaker 1: June sixth. The housemaids of missing Queensland teen Phoebe Bishop

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Speaker 1: will appear in court today after last night being charged

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Speaker 1: with a seventeen year old's murder. The charges come three

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Speaker 1: weeks to the day since Phoebe was last seen leaving

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Speaker 1: to board a flight to w WA to visit her boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Her body has not yet been located, so if a

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Speaker 1: police declared two crime scenes one at the home she

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Speaker 1: is thought to have been what she was taken to

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Speaker 1: the airport in. In the search for Phoebe, police scoured

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Speaker 1: an area known as good Night's Scrub, retrieving items believed

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Speaker 1: that evidence may have been moved from the National Park

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Speaker 1: before their arrival. Thirty four year old James Wood, who

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Speaker 1: and thirty three year old Tanika Bromley have now been

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Speaker 1: charged with Phoebe's murder and two counts of interfering with

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Speaker 1: her mum posting daily to social media on Wednesday, writing

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Speaker 1: I don't know if life will ever be the same again.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I will ever look at the

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Speaker 1: world the same way I did before May fifteenth. Tasmanians

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Speaker 1: are staring down an early election after Premier Jeremy Rocliffe

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Speaker 1: lost a no confidence motion in Parliament yesterday, which by convention,

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Speaker 1: demands his resignation. Rockleff remains defiant in the face of

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Speaker 1: the motion vowing to fight and win the early election,

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Speaker 1: although it's not yet clear when this will happen, with

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Speaker 1: mister Rockcliffe seeking to convene Parliament next week to pass

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Speaker 1: an emergency budget bill. Rockliffe has accused the Tasmanian opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Labours Dean Winter of a selfish power grab, but

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Speaker 1: Winter pointed out last month's state budget, which has forecast

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Speaker 1: as a reason for his stand against the government, remaining

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Speaker 1: unmoved by closed doors talks to try and get him

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Speaker 1: been attributed to the new billion dollar AFLs stadium required

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Speaker 1: for the new Tasmania Devil's team to join the league,

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Speaker 1: Mister Rockcliffe saying he fought off internal opponents to stand

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Speaker 1: saying while he was advised it was bad for votes,

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Speaker 1: good for Tasmania. He apologized for the botched rollout of

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Speaker 1: the new Spirit of Tasmania Ferries and acknowledged the economic challenges,

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Speaker 1: but says he remains up for the fight. Convicted murderer

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Speaker 1: his students. Dawson has already failed in an attempt to

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Speaker 1: as Ab, who later moved into Dawson's home after Lynette disappeared,

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Speaker 1: doubt on AB's claims that she had been sexually abused

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Speaker 1: eighteen year non parole period expires in twenty forty, when

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Speaker 1: says he's disappointed by Elon Musk's public opposition to his

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Speaker 1: an ossie team. Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds are now

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Speaker 1: team that has now been rebranded as The Bond's Flying Ruse.

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Speaker 1: The move comes just days after Oscar winner Anne Hathaway

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening around the world today, Next Mommy, as

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Speaker 1: Sasha Tannic explains how our tolerance for alcohol changes as

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Speaker 2: You walk through the door after a hard day's work,

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Speaker 2: brain fog. Sound familiar. So many Ausie women are struggling

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Speaker 2: It definitely feels like you can't handle your alcohol as well.

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Speaker 2: Mariam Charlan says, the way our body processes alcohol as

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Speaker 3: Hangovers can definitely feel worse for females in their forties

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Speaker 3: first being that our body composition changes as we age.

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Speaker 3: We know that alcohol is less diluted in fact than

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Speaker 2: Happy podcast host doctor Anastasia Hernus, who explained why it's

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Speaker 4: So alcohol is classified as a depressant. What this means

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Speaker 2: Doctor Hernus, who also wrote The dopamin Brain, says stress

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Speaker 4: If we're busy during the day, juggling kids, jobs, parents, friends,

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Speaker 2: Many women who drink too much would not describe themselves

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Speaker 4: Not everyone who drinks too much is necessarily addicted to alcohol.

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Speaker 4: It's more helpful for us to think on a spectrum

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Speaker 2: So if you are feeling sober curious, there are some

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