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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Grace Rufray. This is Mumame's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. Over the weekend, the conflict in the Middle

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Speaker 2: East escalated, with Israel launching a deadly bombing attack in Lebanon,

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Speaker 2: resulting in the death of Hesbela's leader, Hassan Israla. Hesbela,

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Speaker 2: the paramilitary groups supported by Iran were not the only

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Speaker 2: target of Israel in the past forty eight hours. The

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Speaker 2: Israeli Defense Force also bombing Hoofy targets in Yemen. As

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Speaker 2: air strikes continue and the death toll rises, the situation

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Speaker 2: is still unfolding as we record this. Just last week,

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Speaker 2: multiple nations, including Australia and the US, signed a statement

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Speaker 2: calling for twenty one day ceasefire across the Israel and

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Speaker 2: Lebanon border. With an increasing number of countries urging for peace,

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Speaker 2: are we on the brink of an e deeper crisis

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Speaker 2: before we do that. Here's the latest from the Quicki newsroom, Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: October one, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyaho warned in comments directed

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Speaker 2: at Iran that there was nowhere in the Middle East

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Speaker 2: beyond Israel's reach. Two days after Israel killed the leader

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Speaker 2: of the Iran backed Lebanese militant group Hezbla, Israel indicated

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Speaker 2: on Monday that a land invasion was an option in

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Speaker 2: Lebanon after two weeks of intensive air strikes and the

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Speaker 2: elimination of nazraala As, the group's deputy leader, said it

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Speaker 2: was primed for any offensive. Speaking to troops deployed along

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Speaker 2: Israel's northern border, Defense Minister Joav Galan said Israel would

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Speaker 2: do whatever it takes to ensure the return of citizens

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Speaker 2: who have fled Hesbla rockets during nearly a year of warfare.

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Speaker 2: Australia's consumer watchdog will be given a thirty million dollar

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Speaker 2: boost to crack down on unfair practices by supermarkets and retailers.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Abernezi will on Tuesday put the supermarket

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Speaker 2: giants on notice over their dodgy practices. The additional funds

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Speaker 2: will help the A Triple C conduct more investigations inforced

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Speaker 2: regulations and monitor pricing behaviors, including probing false price justifications.

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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers will also work with the states and

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Speaker 2: territories to reform planning and zoning regulations to make the

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Speaker 2: supermarket sector more competitive by opening up more sites for

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Speaker 2: new stores. The a Triple C announced last week it

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Speaker 2: was taking legal action against Coals and Woolworths for allegedly

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Speaker 2: misleading customers through discount pricing. A special envoy appointed to

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Speaker 2: to fight against hate as war continues in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: On Monday evening, Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi announced Aftab Malik

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Speaker 2: as the Muslim Affairs Expert to combat Islamophobia in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Earlier in July, the government named business leader and lawyer

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Speaker 2: The appointment of an envoy to Islamophobia was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be announced alongside the antisemitism, but mister Albanezey said at

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Speaker 2: the time finding a suitable candidate had proved more of

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Speaker 2: a challenge. Mister Malick has spent almost a decade working

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Speaker 2: in the New South Wales premiers Department countering hate and extremism.

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Speaker 2: He will listen to and work with the Muslim community,

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Speaker 2: religious discrimination experts, and the government on the best ways

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Speaker 2: to tackle prejudice. Music videos by the likes of Adele

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Speaker 2: and Nirvana have been blocked on YouTube in North America

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Speaker 2: due to ongoing copyright dispute. The video sharing platform has

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Speaker 2: failed to reach an agreement with licensing company Seesack to

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Speaker 2: Hundreds of videos have been affected, including those by Green Day,

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Speaker 2: Mariah Carey, Kendrick Lamar and ram TikTok. And Universal Music

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Speaker 2: Group were locked in a similar dispute after the major

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Speaker 2: video platform due to concerns about AI and royalties. YouTube

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Speaker 2: That's your latest news headlines coming up with the latest

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Speaker 2: bombings in Lebanon and Yemen. Is a ceasefire still possible?

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, Israel announced that they had killed the

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Speaker 2: longtime leader of terrorist organization Hesbla, Hassan Nasraala, in Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: In a statement on Saturday, Hesbela said it would continue

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Speaker 2: its battle against Israel, in support of Gaza and Palestine,

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Speaker 2: and in defense of Lebanon and its steadfast and honorable people.

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Speaker 2: Who Slosha Masala would know. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya,

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Speaker 2: who said the killing of the Hesbela leader was a

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Speaker 2: The hit was confirmed after twelve days of fighting, with

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Speaker 2: The ministry, however, would not say how many of those

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Speaker 2: The fighting between Hesbla and Israel, their latest round of

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Speaker 2: warfare in four decades of on off conflict, has been

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Speaker 2: October seventh. Over the past twelve days, the world has

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Speaker 2: The attacks on the communications equipment used by the Iran

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Speaker 2: backed armed group had sown disarray in Lebanon, and just yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Israel carried out a strike near the Kola Into section

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Speaker 2: outside the southern suburbs since two thousand and six. Israel's

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Speaker 2: stated its goal in Lebanon is to make its northern

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Speaker 2: areas safe from Hesbela rocket fire and allow thousands of

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Speaker 2: a devastating impact on civilians in Lebanon. It is the

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Speaker 2: most ferocious onslaught of violence the country has seen since

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Speaker 2: the Civil War of nineteen seventy five to nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 2: The UN World Food Program said it had launched an

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Speaker 2: emergency operation to provide food for those affected by the conflict.

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Speaker 2: Israel continues to strike targets in Lebanon. After the death

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Speaker 2: Israel's intensifying bombardment has increased fears the conflict could spin

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Speaker 2: the United States, Israel's closest ally. Israel has mobilized reserve

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Speaker 2: a ground operation. Hesbelah has said it will only cease

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Speaker 2: fire when Israel's offensive and Gaza ends. Diplomatic efforts have

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Speaker 2: shown a little sign of progress. So where are we now?

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Speaker 2: With so many calls for a ceasefire? The war only

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Speaker 2: seems to be intensifying with more countries and groups becoming involved.

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Speaker 2: Will we ever see an end to the conflict? Doctor

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Speaker 2: Jessica Genauer is a senior lecturer in international relations at

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Speaker 2: Flinders University. We've covered the conflict with Jessica as it's

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Speaker 2: unfolded since October last year. Jessica, is there a concern

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Speaker 2: or risk of Israel starting a full war across all

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Speaker 2: the borders? Lemton marks the second country it's now fired missiles.

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Speaker 2: Is there any growing tension with Syria, Jordan or Egypt.

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Speaker 1: So we're not likely to see any kind of direct

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Speaker 1: even the fact that we're seeing Israel engaging now in

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Speaker 2: Is there concern by world leaders, what are the sort

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Speaker 1: There is definitely a lot of concern. Having said that,

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Speaker 1: there has been a lot of concern amongst global leaders

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Speaker 1: and then the increase sing tit for tat violence that

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Speaker 1: what's important to say is that whilst there is certainly

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Speaker 1: concern amongst international leaders, there is little leverage that those

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Speaker 1: any kind of pathway towards a ceasefire or towards a

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to you previously about Hesbelah. Could you explain

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Speaker 2: the difference between Hesbla and the Iran government and who's

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Speaker 2: a lot of the things that have been happening over

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Speaker 1: So hez Bula was and is primarily supported politically and

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Speaker 1: we're actually seeing more potential for splintering of violent militia

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Speaker 2: Could you explain the latest attack that occurred in Yemen

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Speaker 1: So what we've seen is that the Israeli state has

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Speaker 1: primarily Hesbula in Lebanon and then the Houthi rebel group

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Speaker 1: And both of those groups, hes Bulah in Lebanon and

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Speaker 1: the Huthis in Yemen, have been attempting to fire rockets

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Speaker 1: also carried out bombing attacks into Yemen that they say

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Speaker 1: missiles into Israeli territory. We saw some that you know

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Speaker 1: they weren't intercepted. However, I think that what is quite

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Speaker 1: risky here is that the policy from binnimanetna Who's government

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Speaker 1: de escalate, So a policy of trying to potentially deter

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Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be any focus on de escalation

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Speaker 2: If Israel is, as it says, targeting terrorist groups like Hamas,

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Speaker 2: like Hesbela or the Huthis who aren't recognized as a

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Speaker 1: So I think that this is very complicated. It's a

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Speaker 3: Put to that.

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Speaker 1: I guess the issue is how do you do that,

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Speaker 2: Costs despite the obvious devas of mass death and humanitarian crisis.

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Speaker 2: Why is the world, including Australia, so invested in what's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think again there are several reasons for that.

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Speaker 1: But it's also because there would be repercussions internationally and

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Speaker 2: So now we know a little more about what's happening

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Speaker 2: But what about back home in Australia, how do we

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Speaker 3: So, the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong said in a statement

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Speaker 2: And we've seen Australia be the most vocal that it's

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Speaker 3: We've pledged two million in aid for humanitarian efforts, which

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Speaker 3: So as you said, there have been thousands of Australians

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Speaker 2: If you'd like to learn more about the conflict in

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Speaker 2: doctor Jessica Genauer and read the latest articles from Jemma

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Speaker 2: Bath with popped links in the show notes. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: This episode of the Quikie is produced by me Grace

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