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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mom and Mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 2: to Canceled, The Lazy Girl's Guide to Bizarre celebrity cancelations.

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Speaker 2: I'm Klaire Stephens and I'm joined by Jesse Stevens. And

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Speaker 2: on today's episode, we're talking about the Hills.

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Speaker 3: You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. The defendants

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Speaker 3: are celebrities, the chargers are petty. The rulings are final.

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Speaker 4: But the only thing really that there is to do

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Speaker 4: is to forgive and forget.

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Speaker 5: So I really do.

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Speaker 1: I want to forgive you, and I want to forget you.

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Speaker 4: Lauren.

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Speaker 5: I'm the most sorry ever my life for spreading all

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Speaker 5: the rumors about the sex tape and you know, putting

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Speaker 5: all that out there, and he.

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Speaker 2: Never and then he does like he did last night.

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Speaker 2: He's a sucky person. He's a sucky person.

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Speaker 4: Lauren. I hate Spencer.

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Speaker 5: I'm never gonna like Spencer.

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Speaker 4: You know, Spencer has you freaking like brainwashed. It's so

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Speaker 4: sick to see it is like you've changed so much

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Speaker 4: since you've been with Spencer.

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Speaker 2: You have the homeboy war combat boots to the beach.

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Speaker 3: I know you don't want to call that your boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't just be lying straight toes as

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Speaker 2: a friend.

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Speaker 5: It's girl coach.

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Speaker 2: You don't go there at all.

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Speaker 1: I think you should come out here, right here and

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Speaker 1: come out to me like.

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Speaker 2: This is inspired by a recent well. I think he's

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Speaker 2: actually come up multiple times, Spencer Pratt. He just comes

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Speaker 2: up in other people's cancelation story. He's a Pratt came

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Speaker 2: up and what I believe was the Elson Twins. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then I also think it's adjacent to the OC. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is both because The Hill Rules was the spin

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Speaker 2: off of Laguna Beach, which was known as the Real

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Speaker 2: Orange County. All great shows, and we've all seen them all,

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Speaker 2: yeah we have, but Spencer does. If you kind of

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Speaker 2: partake in celebrity culture, you'll notice that a rogue Spencer

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Speaker 2: Pratt just pops up with his crystals. That's true. The

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Speaker 2: greatest surprise when I consider my adulthood and we are

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Speaker 2: on the cusp of thirty four, is that Spencer Pratt

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Speaker 2: and Heidimond tag remain together with two children. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: seem very happily married. If we're getting too far ahead.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we will go back. We will take you

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Speaker 2: But I am looking forward to this episode. I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone saw that coming, no least of all them.

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Speaker 2: Mm so dysfunctional AnyWho, Jesse. Apart from that, do you

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Speaker 2: have any memories of the Hills that you would like

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Speaker 2: to just raise for vibe purposes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Lauren Conrad's eyeliner would be very important. I

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Speaker 2: think I wore my eyeliner like that. I think I've

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Speaker 2: said it on the show for ten years because I

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Speaker 2: thought if I wore eyeliner like that, I would look

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Speaker 2: like Lauren, and I would also look like who else

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Speaker 2: is the hot one that I like. There's Stephanie Pratt,

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Speaker 2: There's Hardy Montag, There's all Dreamer, Kristen, Kristen Cavalier, Christian Cavaliery.

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Speaker 2: I thought I'd look like Christian Cavaliery if I just

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Speaker 2: did my eyeliner like that. So I did do that.

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Speaker 2: I would also say that I wasn't told the truth

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Speaker 2: an internship and all it was was parties and chats. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: wearing nice headbands is what is what I am vision.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't do a lot of work, and they

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Speaker 2: certainly didn't do a degree. Lauren was studying it at

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Speaker 2: like a fashion institute, but she never seemed to be

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Speaker 2: actively studying. It always seemed to be break. But the

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Speaker 2: other thing is I remember watching it and being like,

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Speaker 2: I've never been so clear that Lauren is a terrible employee.

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Speaker 2: Whitney a lot better? Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And then

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Speaker 2: Whitney did become Laurence boss y yeah, vallad valid. What

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Speaker 2: to be I don't think so, I've got to go yeah,

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Speaker 2: any further to enter the vibe The Hills it was unwritten?

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Speaker 2: Oh is still unwritten? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do do?

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Speaker 2: I think that played at my wedding, not in like

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Speaker 2: good fun.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The Hills is an American reality TV series that ran

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Speaker 2: for six seasons from two thousand and six to two

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Speaker 2: thousand and ten. As we discussed, it was developed as

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Speaker 2: a spinoff to Laguna Beach. It starred Lauren Conrad, who

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Speaker 2: was pursuing a career in the fashion industry. Then it

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Speaker 2: also explored the lives of her housemate Heidi Montag, her

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Speaker 2: friends Audrina Partridge and Whitney Port, her close friend Low

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Speaker 2: Bosworth who she was close friends. The Inner Two invested

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Speaker 2: in Low. No, she was friends with her in high school.

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Speaker 2: I believe Low she's now like a business woman. Okay,

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Speaker 2: yeah not no, yeah, still not invested. I've got my

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Speaker 2: rosser on the Instagram. And Heidi's boyfriend Spencer Pratt also

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Speaker 2: kind of emerged, and Spencer's sister Stephanie Pratt. And there

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Speaker 2: was a Brodie Jenner. Yep, yeah, this small moment in

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Speaker 2: history where he was the most famous Jenna, Wow, that

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Speaker 2: was the moment in time. Perhaps it's like nobody asked, like,

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Speaker 2: how are your little sisters anyway, Jess. Lauren actually left

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Speaker 2: halfway through the fifth season and was replaced by Kristin Cavaliery.

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Speaker 2: Oh remember when she turned up to the wedding Because

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Speaker 2: hang on Kristin Cavaliery going back to the Laguna Beach universe,

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Speaker 2: I mean she was her and Lauren were like mortal

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Speaker 2: of their erratic behavior. Yeah, they upset the rest of

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Speaker 2: the car. They did in a genuine way. There was

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Speaker 2: debate throughout about whether it was scripted, and this was

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Speaker 2: an interesting era of television because I remember having an

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Speaker 2: Big Brother reality TV. Yeah, but then Big Brother and

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Speaker 2: The Hills don't operate in the same universe.

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Speaker 2: They were followed around with cameras and I didn't get

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Speaker 2: the sense that it was scripted. But then at the

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Speaker 2: was like cardboard, cardboard, and it was almost suggested this

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Speaker 2: whole thing has been scripted. They thought it was meta,

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Speaker 2: like a nod to the rumors. But it's like, no,

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Speaker 2: it's simply confusing because I took that as scripted, and

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Speaker 2: I remember feeling really like and I stomped my foot

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Speaker 2: and I went, well, I'm confused because I was invested.

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Speaker 2: I was invested emotionally in the lives of my friends

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Speaker 2: Lauren and Heidi. Yes, just In twenty six there was

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Speaker 2: a special The Hills that was then This is Now

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Speaker 2: Yeah watch that. Then there was a sequel in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: The Hills New Beginnings. We won't be discussing either of

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Speaker 2: these because they are simply not The Hills. The Hills

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Speaker 2: was The Hills, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, although probably

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Speaker 2: some information will seep in and The Hills does refer

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I remember noticing about The Hills, it's

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Speaker 2: it is I Lauren there, Yeah she was. Actually I

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Speaker 2: do remember thinking so in Laguna Beach it was very like, oh,

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Speaker 2: like there's a big world out there, and it's like

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Speaker 2: you're in the same state. Yeah, yeah, you're not moving

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Speaker 2: to Paris. No, you're really not. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: In Australia, you've got some people grow up in Sydney.

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Speaker 2: They got a bathist. That's a real change. True. My

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Speaker 2: structure for today is as follows the style, when Lauren

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Speaker 2: didn't go to Paris, when Heidi got plastic surgery, Heidi's

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Speaker 2: fake pregnancy scare, Heidi versus Lauren, and scripting allegations. Okay, Jesse,

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Speaker 2: the style, we need to talk about it because it

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Speaker 2: and just describe some vibes. There are many images really influenced.

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Speaker 2: Just didn't it. Okay, So we're looking at the first

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Speaker 2: and what we've got is the really big bug like sunglasses.

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Speaker 2: I remember you got into those and you've got a

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Speaker 2: looked like you did look like a fly. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: also got a mini skirt in camouflage. Oh, Camo, Camo,

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Speaker 2: a camo mini skirt. We have just a lot of

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Speaker 2: it was always a little bit oily because you've got

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Speaker 2: it oily. And I'm still a teen. I've got the hormones,

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Speaker 2: so I've got to put towel compowder in it. It's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: And then I've got an image of I had forgotten

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Speaker 2: about this. It's like a headband, but it goes all

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Speaker 2: it looked really cool. It looked a bit bohemian, but

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Speaker 2: How about these pants worn by Drena? Do we call

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Speaker 2: it early it's naughty? No, because it was like two

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Speaker 2: thousand and six seven, Eh, Okay, alright, right again, we've

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Speaker 2: got the big sunglasses. Oh, a three quarter pedal pusher,

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Speaker 2: a low rise pedal pusher. What the dormen? I mean,

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Speaker 2: what these women's wing headband? Yeah, but what these women's

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Speaker 2: bodies did to it? I remember looking at Audreina the

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Speaker 2: flatness of the stomach when your core audience is teenage girls. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: who are like my stomach is very fleshy and it

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Speaker 2: is poking out over those Yeah, not for Audrena. And

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Speaker 2: then we've got Heidi Montag with a thick black eyeliner

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Speaker 2: with peroxide blonde hair, which again I thought that was beauty,

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Speaker 2: in Australia and you can just throw on a scarf. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a light scarf, A light scarf. You wouldn't do it up.

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Speaker 2: I remember wearing loose silk scarves on my European holiday.

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Speaker 2: It was forty degrees and I'd go, you know what

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Speaker 2: this beach dress needs is a lovely red scarf. How

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Speaker 2: about barrel curls? Oh, a barrel I call these a

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Speaker 2: formal curl. It's a year ten formal curl. The trick

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Speaker 2: I want to look like I haven't anything, had anything done, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: Mom. There's brain surgery every day, there's huge surgery.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, growing up, I used to put water

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Speaker 5: It sounds to me like you want to look like Barbie.

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me you don't think I look good?

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Speaker 5: I mean, how do I go and say that? Of

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Speaker 2: I will always support a woman's right to do what she

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Speaker 2: I do think that there's something quite profound that her

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Speaker 2: you can't tell that she's crying. Who you can't because

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Speaker 2: It was like she could open a can with it

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Speaker 2: when she left home she was very, very confident, but

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Speaker 2: But I remember at that point seeing Heidi on TV,

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Speaker 2: on television, you are looking at yourself a lot, and

423
00:22:49,389 --> 00:22:51,989
Speaker 2: obviously you're going to get more self critical. If you

424
00:22:51,989 --> 00:22:54,349
Speaker 2: can walk through the world and you know, mostly avoid mirrors.

425
00:22:54,349 --> 00:22:56,589
Speaker 2: Imagine if you're always staring into a mirror, like you'd

426
00:22:56,589 --> 00:22:59,029
Speaker 2: start to see things you wanted to change. Yeah, you'd

427
00:22:59,069 --> 00:23:01,669
Speaker 2: end up with some kind of body dismissed. Yeah, I think,

428
00:23:02,029 --> 00:23:04,829
Speaker 2: but that scene was just bloody tragic. But I do

429
00:23:04,869 --> 00:23:07,989
Speaker 2: think that didn't seem scripted. I reckon that seemed legit. Yeah,

430
00:23:08,069 --> 00:23:12,109
Speaker 2: it was a profound discussion about plastics. One comment I

431
00:23:12,189 --> 00:23:15,589
Speaker 2: did see on the YouTube video that's got millions and

432
00:23:15,629 --> 00:23:18,669
Speaker 2: millions of you, somebody said saying that she got a

433
00:23:18,709 --> 00:23:21,589
Speaker 2: slight eyebrow lift is like saying you got a little

434
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:25,029
Speaker 2: loone of a million dollars. And I was like, it

435
00:23:25,269 --> 00:23:28,629
Speaker 2: was a severe eyebrow lift. And it was also an

436
00:23:28,629 --> 00:23:31,589
Speaker 2: interesting place to start what if you had done? It's

437
00:23:31,629 --> 00:23:33,709
Speaker 2: like he's saying, what if you had done? I say, oh,

438
00:23:33,829 --> 00:23:36,549
Speaker 2: I had a little bit of botox for him eyebrows. Oh,

439
00:23:36,589 --> 00:23:38,669
Speaker 2: and also I got a Brazilian butt lift. It's like,

440
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:40,989
Speaker 2: start with the butt lift. Yeah, yeah, come if you

441
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:44,469
Speaker 2: had a back sculpted, I know, I know one's seeing

442
00:23:44,469 --> 00:23:48,869
Speaker 2: in your back, no Jesse. Heidie's fake pregnancy scare. In

443
00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:52,469
Speaker 2: season two, Heidi had a pregnancy scare that turned out

444
00:23:52,469 --> 00:23:55,469
Speaker 2: to be a false alarm. Hard relate. We have all

445
00:23:55,509 --> 00:23:58,109
Speaker 2: walked through the world being like, oh, no, I think

446
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:59,949
Speaker 2: I'm pregnant, and it's like, just take a test, and

447
00:23:59,949 --> 00:24:01,989
Speaker 2: then you take a test and you're not pregnant, and

448
00:24:02,069 --> 00:24:06,709
Speaker 2: you're like hmm hmm. Not as dramatic, non sing the drama,

449
00:24:06,989 --> 00:24:11,389
Speaker 2: but she did something pretty weird. She decided to test

450
00:24:11,709 --> 00:24:15,549
Speaker 2: Spencer because that is the sign of a healthy relationship.

451
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:18,909
Speaker 2: She's sitting in his car with him and she's like,

452
00:24:18,949 --> 00:24:24,069
Speaker 2: I've been really sick, pause, really nauseous. Pause. Never really

453
00:24:24,109 --> 00:24:28,749
Speaker 2: felt like this before. So pause. Then she's like, what

454
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:31,349
Speaker 2: this is is a bit of fun, Yeah, a little

455
00:24:31,349 --> 00:24:33,949
Speaker 2: bit of just that is a quiet Tuesday. Do you

456
00:24:34,109 --> 00:24:35,869
Speaker 2: look at your partner and you just like feel like

457
00:24:35,949 --> 00:24:38,429
Speaker 2: stutern shit. You know you've been together, you and your

458
00:24:38,469 --> 00:24:41,269
Speaker 2: partner bring together for like fifteen years. Sometimes you got

459
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:43,549
Speaker 2: to throw a spanner in the works. Oh gosh, yes,

460
00:24:43,869 --> 00:24:46,229
Speaker 2: I mean I started all. I've actually looked at him

461
00:24:46,229 --> 00:24:47,949
Speaker 2: and just been like, what, I just want to go.

462
00:24:48,669 --> 00:24:51,269
Speaker 2: I'm having an affair just to see it. I don't know,

463
00:24:51,349 --> 00:24:54,629
Speaker 2: do you care? Yeah, just to bring some energy to

464
00:24:54,829 --> 00:24:55,469
Speaker 2: a week night.

465
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:55,749
Speaker 4: No.

466
00:24:55,869 --> 00:24:58,109
Speaker 2: I get where it came from. I just don't think

467
00:24:58,189 --> 00:25:00,669
Speaker 2: morally it was a very kind thing to do. So

468
00:25:00,949 --> 00:25:03,029
Speaker 2: she says, I don't know how you feel about me,

469
00:25:03,429 --> 00:25:05,989
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm more than like you. Oh yeah,

470
00:25:06,309 --> 00:25:09,029
Speaker 2: i'd hope's so quick. Cool. Then she's like, I don't

471
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:12,349
Speaker 2: know what we do and he says, whatever.

472
00:25:12,029 --> 00:25:12,549
Speaker 4: You want to do.

473
00:25:12,589 --> 00:25:14,029
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you what to do with

474
00:25:14,189 --> 00:25:15,589
Speaker 3: your body and your life.

475
00:25:15,629 --> 00:25:17,509
Speaker 5: I'm here one team, Heidi.

476
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:19,829
Speaker 4: But I mean, there's the decision you need to make.

477
00:25:19,989 --> 00:25:23,589
Speaker 2: And what a mature response from Spencer Pratt, which makes

478
00:25:23,629 --> 00:25:28,749
Speaker 2: he's the first last suggestion of maturity we've seen in Spencer.

479
00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:32,429
Speaker 2: There are a couple of little lines and that makes

480
00:25:32,509 --> 00:25:37,509
Speaker 2: him seem more psychopathic because it's like you are capable

481
00:25:37,589 --> 00:25:41,749
Speaker 2: of knowing what is the writing, but then you are

482
00:25:41,749 --> 00:25:45,909
Speaker 2: an agent of kof Then she says, I took a

483
00:25:45,949 --> 00:25:54,229
Speaker 2: pregnancy test and pause, I'm not pregnant, okay, the definition

484
00:25:54,829 --> 00:25:58,549
Speaker 2: of starting. She's like, I'm a little bit irritated that

485
00:25:58,589 --> 00:26:00,829
Speaker 2: you just had me thinking that you're pregnant for saying

486
00:26:00,869 --> 00:26:01,309
Speaker 2: a man.

487
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:04,589
Speaker 1: Like who I've been feeling that way for days. I

488
00:26:04,629 --> 00:26:06,429
Speaker 1: don't feel bad, I've been feeling that way for days.

489
00:26:07,789 --> 00:26:10,509
Speaker 2: The thing about Heidi and Spencer's fights is every now

490
00:26:10,509 --> 00:26:13,589
Speaker 2: and then, you were like you both got good points.

491
00:26:15,189 --> 00:26:19,269
Speaker 2: It was a weird thing to do. And Spencer, though,

492
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:21,789
Speaker 2: went on TikTok in twenty twenty two. Are you on

493
00:26:21,829 --> 00:26:22,709
Speaker 2: Spencer pro TikTok?

494
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:22,909
Speaker 5: Oh?

495
00:26:22,989 --> 00:26:26,469
Speaker 2: Look I dabble? Yeah, Well he said it was all acting. No,

496
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:30,509
Speaker 2: he narrates the scene that is playing behind. Oh, yes,

497
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:32,949
Speaker 2: I got served this. Yeah, and he says, okay, we

498
00:26:32,989 --> 00:26:35,589
Speaker 2: got Heidi buying a pregnancy test. I love how just

499
00:26:35,709 --> 00:26:38,429
Speaker 2: how he really breaks it down. They got the sad music,

500
00:26:38,629 --> 00:26:41,349
Speaker 2: like she's got her life just falling apart. This is

501
00:26:41,389 --> 00:26:44,429
Speaker 2: all acting. By the way, Heidi is the original euphoria

502
00:26:44,509 --> 00:26:49,509
Speaker 2: right here. Sorry, no disrespect to Sidney Sweeney. Anyway, I

503
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:53,709
Speaker 2: don't set back to the point. You got her alleged

504
00:26:53,749 --> 00:26:56,349
Speaker 2: guy she's seeing not looking good. You just to be clear,

505
00:26:56,389 --> 00:26:58,549
Speaker 2: this person he's speaking about as a stranger is still

506
00:26:58,549 --> 00:27:02,189
Speaker 2: his wife. Correct, Okay, he's in the room. He beckons her. Later.

507
00:27:02,749 --> 00:27:04,669
Speaker 2: You think she's all of a sudden pregnant. She's not

508
00:27:04,749 --> 00:27:07,229
Speaker 2: in control of her life. I'm not saying people don't

509
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:10,749
Speaker 2: make mistakes, but Heidi didn't. This is all act. Heidi

510
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:13,629
Speaker 2: does not think she's pregnant. Producers asked her to do this.

511
00:27:14,189 --> 00:27:16,349
Speaker 2: Then he says that was all set up. We got

512
00:27:16,349 --> 00:27:20,269
Speaker 2: these forty year old plus men asking a twenty twenty

513
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:22,589
Speaker 2: one year old woman to pretend like she thinks she's

514
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:25,869
Speaker 2: pregnant with a guy that's already making her look bad.

515
00:27:26,229 --> 00:27:29,069
Speaker 2: Talk about set up, and then he gets Heidi to

516
00:27:29,109 --> 00:27:32,029
Speaker 2: come over and confirm that, Yeah, it was just scriptive.

517
00:27:32,589 --> 00:27:35,829
Speaker 2: It did seem like there wasn't a lot going on

518
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:39,109
Speaker 2: that way. It was like anybody got a sneaking suspicion

519
00:27:39,149 --> 00:27:43,029
Speaker 2: that they could be pregnant, but that they are not. Yeah,

520
00:27:43,189 --> 00:27:46,549
Speaker 2: and then they turn into a scene, actually a whole

521
00:27:46,589 --> 00:27:48,909
Speaker 2: story arc. I mean, I imagine that they do this

522
00:27:48,989 --> 00:27:53,749
Speaker 2: with a lot of reality TV. Let's just play pretends,

523
00:27:54,029 --> 00:27:58,269
Speaker 2: Audrina said. The vibe wasn't like here's a script, but

524
00:27:58,429 --> 00:28:03,269
Speaker 2: it was You're going to lunch with Lauren at three

525
00:28:03,309 --> 00:28:06,189
Speaker 2: and you'll be discussing the party. Yeah. So, I think

526
00:28:06,229 --> 00:28:08,869
Speaker 2: it's very much You're in year two. You have a

527
00:28:08,909 --> 00:28:12,669
Speaker 2: friend over and you you're playing like imaginary friends, or

528
00:28:12,709 --> 00:28:15,629
Speaker 2: you're playing around and we had a plot. It's like, Okay,

529
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:19,509
Speaker 2: you're here, there's a fairy in the garden, wear a petticoat,

530
00:28:19,589 --> 00:28:22,189
Speaker 2: Like you're just kind of directing. I think it's just that.

531
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:27,269
Speaker 2: I think so Jesse. Heidi versus Lauren Basically, Heidi and

532
00:28:27,349 --> 00:28:32,509
Speaker 2: Lauren's friendship imploded because of a Spencer Pratt. Let me

533
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:36,749
Speaker 2: share some of the worst Spidery moments. I think before

534
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:39,469
Speaker 2: you begin that Spencer and Lauren genuinely hate each other.

535
00:28:39,829 --> 00:28:46,109
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think most people hate Heidi and Spencer

536
00:28:46,309 --> 00:28:50,189
Speaker 2: helped orchestrate a hook up between Lauren's friend jen Bunny.

537
00:28:50,429 --> 00:28:52,189
Speaker 2: Do you remember her? She was a high school friend

538
00:28:52,509 --> 00:28:56,309
Speaker 2: and Brody Jenner, who was Lauren's ex, and that really

539
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:59,869
Speaker 2: hurt her, and that resulted in the moment where Lauren

540
00:29:00,029 --> 00:29:05,549
Speaker 2: called Spencer a sucky person. She was a very remember

541
00:29:05,589 --> 00:29:09,029
Speaker 2: she was like, oh, number statements sucky person that I

542
00:29:09,069 --> 00:29:11,669
Speaker 2: want to say that about so many people's boyfriends. I

543
00:29:11,709 --> 00:29:14,109
Speaker 2: know he's a sucky person. Yeah, I'm just being real.

544
00:29:14,509 --> 00:29:20,229
Speaker 2: Everyone you dated as in broadly at twenty yeah was

545
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:24,749
Speaker 2: a sucky person. Yeah. Yeah. Just Heidi and Spencer are

546
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:29,829
Speaker 2: fully together. And Spencer brings Audrina to the club. Where

547
00:29:29,829 --> 00:29:34,389
Speaker 2: did he find its training here? Or Drina swam up

548
00:29:34,949 --> 00:29:38,469
Speaker 2: to them at the apartment complex they lived in to

549
00:29:38,749 --> 00:29:40,949
Speaker 2: fake make friends with them, and then she's friends with them,

550
00:29:40,949 --> 00:29:42,709
Speaker 2: and then she's part of the group. Okay, and then

551
00:29:42,749 --> 00:29:45,789
Speaker 2: Spencer brings her to the club, and that ruins Heidi's

552
00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:51,149
Speaker 2: friendship with Audrina. Why because Spencer is dating Heidi. Oh,

553
00:29:51,189 --> 00:29:54,269
Speaker 2: and he's suggesting that he's into Audrena. Yes, he brings

554
00:29:54,269 --> 00:29:57,309
Speaker 2: her to the club. You just bring someone to the club.

555
00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:59,349
Speaker 2: I thought in the club we were all fam.

556
00:29:59,949 --> 00:30:02,109
Speaker 5: But in the club we all fam?

557
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:05,549
Speaker 2: What in the club we all fam?

558
00:30:06,029 --> 00:30:08,429
Speaker 5: I don't in the club we are all family?

559
00:30:08,989 --> 00:30:09,789
Speaker 1: Are you racist?

560
00:30:10,629 --> 00:30:15,829
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, we are not. Remember what were the clubs called.

561
00:30:15,869 --> 00:30:18,789
Speaker 2: There was one called like l dou yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

562
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:21,069
Speaker 2: and what was the other one? And they always just went.

563
00:30:21,149 --> 00:30:23,429
Speaker 2: They didn't dance. I don't even think they drank. No,

564
00:30:23,549 --> 00:30:27,309
Speaker 2: they did just sat and like tensely loved and glared

565
00:30:27,309 --> 00:30:31,029
Speaker 2: at each other until someone left. They were always leavings

566
00:30:31,069 --> 00:30:33,469
Speaker 2: leaving Ellien. I was like, you spent so long getting

567
00:30:33,509 --> 00:30:36,629
Speaker 2: ready and your headband looks so good. Yeah. Yeah, And

568
00:30:36,669 --> 00:30:38,509
Speaker 2: then they'd get home and I'm like, what are you

569
00:30:38,509 --> 00:30:40,749
Speaker 2: gonna do? Because I was like, when I go out,

570
00:30:41,189 --> 00:30:43,269
Speaker 2: I run a bath, put my feet in the bath

571
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:44,989
Speaker 2: because I hurt from the heel. Yeah, and I eat

572
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:48,469
Speaker 2: a box of milow cereal. Do you do the same thing?

573
00:30:48,909 --> 00:30:51,389
Speaker 2: Do you get the McDonald's on the way home, for example?

574
00:30:51,829 --> 00:30:54,989
Speaker 2: But they didn't appear to no Jess. In season two,

575
00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:58,589
Speaker 2: Heidi and Lauren are living together and Spencer asks Heidi

576
00:30:58,709 --> 00:30:59,629
Speaker 2: to move in with him.

577
00:31:00,189 --> 00:31:00,389
Speaker 1: Yeah.

578
00:31:00,509 --> 00:31:04,349
Speaker 2: Lauren is like, this will probs ruin our friendship, and yes,

579
00:31:04,429 --> 00:31:06,629
Speaker 2: well it kind of did. That was like the nail

580
00:31:06,669 --> 00:31:09,269
Speaker 2: in the coffin, right, Yeah, But Lauren was being a

581
00:31:09,309 --> 00:31:11,389
Speaker 2: bit sucky there because I just feel like there is

582
00:31:11,429 --> 00:31:14,309
Speaker 2: this friend that always won't let anyone have a boy

583
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:16,789
Speaker 2: fall in love. Yes, yeah, it's very that, and we

584
00:31:16,829 --> 00:31:18,789
Speaker 2: all know that he thought was Lauren if it was

585
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:20,389
Speaker 2: the other way around. Well, you didn't go to Paris.

586
00:31:20,709 --> 00:31:24,789
Speaker 2: You chose to spend summer with Jason, whose voice no

587
00:31:24,869 --> 00:31:29,229
Speaker 2: one and he's the sucky person. But one of the

588
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:33,189
Speaker 2: biggest moments of conflict was when Spencer started a rumor

589
00:31:33,309 --> 00:31:36,349
Speaker 2: that Lauren and Jason had a sex tape. What did

590
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:36,549
Speaker 2: you do?

591
00:31:36,909 --> 00:31:37,389
Speaker 5: What did you do?

592
00:31:37,589 --> 00:31:40,429
Speaker 2: Did you started a sick little rumor about me? I

593
00:31:40,429 --> 00:31:41,189
Speaker 2: didn't say anywhere.

594
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:45,869
Speaker 4: Really, you're a sad You know why I'm mad at you.

595
00:31:45,869 --> 00:31:48,629
Speaker 2: You know why I'm mad. I know what I did,

596
00:31:48,469 --> 00:31:49,629
Speaker 2: and I do you know.

597
00:31:49,589 --> 00:31:49,989
Speaker 1: What I did?

598
00:31:50,669 --> 00:31:54,669
Speaker 2: She was angry, she was really fuming, and Heidi was

599
00:31:54,749 --> 00:31:57,949
Speaker 2: meant to be a little bit complicit. I remember this

600
00:31:58,309 --> 00:32:01,269
Speaker 2: because this was very much the era of the Kim

601
00:32:01,349 --> 00:32:05,269
Speaker 2: Kardashian sex tape, the Paris Hilton sex tape. I remember

602
00:32:05,309 --> 00:32:08,909
Speaker 2: watching the series and being like, someone hasn't done their

603
00:32:08,949 --> 00:32:15,229
Speaker 2: job properly because I'm confused. Yeah, you weren't following. Yeah,

604
00:32:15,389 --> 00:32:17,829
Speaker 2: because when she yelled you know what you did? I

605
00:32:17,869 --> 00:32:19,669
Speaker 2: was like, what do you do? Am I meant to know?

606
00:32:19,989 --> 00:32:21,789
Speaker 2: Does he know? And it was also an interesting time.

607
00:32:21,829 --> 00:32:23,749
Speaker 2: I understood like if your Paris Elton and you can

608
00:32:23,789 --> 00:32:26,909
Speaker 2: Pardashian and you got your sex tapes. But back then

609
00:32:27,389 --> 00:32:31,389
Speaker 2: the admen involved in shooting with your you know, your

610
00:32:31,429 --> 00:32:34,589
Speaker 2: home camera, Yeah, your motoroller couldn't do it yet, so

611
00:32:34,629 --> 00:32:36,389
Speaker 2: you had to have your tripod up. You had to

612
00:32:36,429 --> 00:32:39,349
Speaker 2: get it on a VHS. Jason didn't seem like a

613
00:32:39,389 --> 00:32:43,149
Speaker 2: determined enough first. He wasn't a techie gun. So I

614
00:32:43,189 --> 00:32:45,389
Speaker 2: don't know who filmed it, where it came from, and

615
00:32:45,469 --> 00:32:48,429
Speaker 2: how Spencer knew about it. Clearly it didn't exist because

616
00:32:48,429 --> 00:32:50,509
Speaker 2: it would have come out by now. Yeah, Spencer would

617
00:32:50,509 --> 00:32:51,909
Speaker 2: have made sure of it. You would have put it

618
00:32:52,429 --> 00:32:56,709
Speaker 2: piece on his TikTok. Yeah, Spencer is unhinged generally. He

619
00:32:56,869 --> 00:33:02,029
Speaker 2: once yelled at Heidi's sister about Heidi. Remember Hidie's sister, Holly, Yes,

620
00:33:02,109 --> 00:33:06,029
Speaker 2: she was offered there anyway. He yelled at her about

621
00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:09,989
Speaker 2: Heidi's mum. She didn't make Heidi. She's just a vagina.

622
00:33:10,429 --> 00:33:11,669
Speaker 2: Oh that's disgusting.

623
00:33:11,829 --> 00:33:11,989
Speaker 1: You know.

624
00:33:12,109 --> 00:33:15,269
Speaker 2: I reckon that Spencer and Heidi. That was my first

625
00:33:15,389 --> 00:33:18,149
Speaker 2: So we would have been sixteen seventeen when this started,

626
00:33:18,309 --> 00:33:22,149
Speaker 2: and then you know, near twenty when the real toxic

627
00:33:22,189 --> 00:33:27,589
Speaker 2: relationship manifested. This was my introduction to toxic relationships. Yeah.

628
00:33:27,629 --> 00:33:30,109
Speaker 2: Like even now, when I think about the red flags,

629
00:33:30,589 --> 00:33:34,269
Speaker 2: I just see a big old Spencer prat with red

630
00:33:34,309 --> 00:33:37,749
Speaker 2: flags all over his face. I think about because he

631
00:33:37,949 --> 00:33:40,909
Speaker 2: isolated her and that is a warning step, isolated her

632
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:44,589
Speaker 2: from everyone. Remember they moved in together to that house

633
00:33:45,229 --> 00:33:47,349
Speaker 2: and they were just always fighting about the house. He

634
00:33:47,469 --> 00:33:50,109
Speaker 2: bought the house without consulting her. Yeah, that sounds right.

635
00:33:50,189 --> 00:33:51,669
Speaker 2: He just bought it and she's like, I don't really

636
00:33:51,709 --> 00:33:53,909
Speaker 2: like this house, and I'm like m And also when

637
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:55,669
Speaker 2: she went and got a whole new face, I just thought,

638
00:33:55,749 --> 00:33:59,229
Speaker 2: red flag. Yeah. And then they do weird things with

639
00:33:59,269 --> 00:34:01,229
Speaker 2: the house. Is like a power move. But then there

640
00:34:01,309 --> 00:34:04,109
Speaker 2: was this neighbor, this little boy called Enzo. Oh yeah,

641
00:34:04,189 --> 00:34:06,829
Speaker 2: moo yeah, And she was obsessed with Enzo and she

642
00:34:06,909 --> 00:34:10,109
Speaker 2: threw him a birthday party because she really wanted kids,

643
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:11,909
Speaker 2: since she was trying to convince Spencer to have kids.

644
00:34:12,309 --> 00:34:14,349
Speaker 2: And he was like, why are we throwing a party

645
00:34:14,349 --> 00:34:17,989
Speaker 2: for Enzo? If my husband throw a party friend Zo

646
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:21,509
Speaker 2: the neighbor, I'd have questions. Yeah, I'd say, let's just

647
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:24,309
Speaker 2: let Enzo have his own party in his own home. Yeah,

648
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:26,549
Speaker 2: And so doesn't need to be celebrated here. We do

649
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:29,749
Speaker 2: not need a children's birthday party for Enzo? No, we

650
00:34:29,749 --> 00:34:34,949
Speaker 2: don't know. Okay, do you are we sure it's Enzo's birthday? Yeah?

651
00:34:35,269 --> 00:34:39,469
Speaker 2: Enzo could be telling white lies and I'd say, honey,

652
00:34:39,509 --> 00:34:42,269
Speaker 2: are there other things you could be doing other than

653
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:47,309
Speaker 2: planning Enzo's birthday? Yeah? Are we under employed if we

654
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:50,349
Speaker 2: are organizing Enso's birthday? And I do remember there's this

655
00:34:50,469 --> 00:34:53,669
Speaker 2: viral clip from the Hills that I saw recently of

656
00:34:53,789 --> 00:34:56,909
Speaker 2: Heidi when she's talking about how she wants to be

657
00:34:56,949 --> 00:34:59,389
Speaker 2: in PR and she's like, yeah, so I just want

658
00:34:59,389 --> 00:35:01,429
Speaker 2: to go to parties and blah blah blah. She liked

659
00:35:01,549 --> 00:35:04,469
Speaker 2: event planning. Yeah, And the person was like, that's not

660
00:35:04,869 --> 00:35:07,829
Speaker 2: the job. And Heidi's like, oh.

661
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:09,749
Speaker 4: How would you characterize yourself as a high school student?

662
00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:10,869
Speaker 1: I never learned anything.

663
00:35:10,869 --> 00:35:12,549
Speaker 2: I never went to school. I never did anything.

664
00:35:12,549 --> 00:35:15,709
Speaker 1: I just like went shopping and hang out, going out.

665
00:35:15,749 --> 00:35:19,429
Speaker 4: So have you looked at the curriculum? No, I've not

666
00:35:19,509 --> 00:35:22,389
Speaker 4: looked at the curriculum. Well, let me ask you this.

667
00:35:23,029 --> 00:35:24,749
Speaker 4: What do you what are your goals?

668
00:35:24,869 --> 00:35:27,709
Speaker 1: Well, I want to do PR. That's like my ultimate goal.

669
00:35:27,709 --> 00:35:30,349
Speaker 1: I want to be like the fun party PR girl

670
00:35:30,389 --> 00:35:33,869
Speaker 1: in LA type of thing. So that's kind of what

671
00:35:33,909 --> 00:35:35,869
Speaker 1: I want to do. Kind of lot more like the party.

672
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:40,429
Speaker 4: Scene, party scene that it usually takes someone being in

673
00:35:40,469 --> 00:35:43,949
Speaker 4: the industry for a very long time to land on

674
00:35:44,389 --> 00:35:47,229
Speaker 4: the fun type of I want to organize a party.

675
00:35:47,309 --> 00:35:49,869
Speaker 1: Really, it's not like right away, you don't get to

676
00:35:49,909 --> 00:35:50,149
Speaker 1: do that.

677
00:35:50,709 --> 00:35:53,589
Speaker 2: I think pr is more sending emails and no one

678
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:57,149
Speaker 2: response to. It's all the fume. Yeah. Well, I think

679
00:35:57,429 --> 00:35:59,789
Speaker 2: like in PI you can get jobs where you're doing

680
00:35:59,869 --> 00:36:01,949
Speaker 2: the fancy parties and that kind of thing. But it's

681
00:36:02,109 --> 00:36:05,149
Speaker 2: very much like being like I'm going to study law,

682
00:36:05,989 --> 00:36:08,909
Speaker 2: watch me be Mega Marco in suits, and it's like

683
00:36:08,949 --> 00:36:12,629
Speaker 2: that's a very narrow idea. Yeah, lord, yeah, it's just

684
00:36:12,709 --> 00:36:14,509
Speaker 2: it's not the whole picture. Yeah, she wants to go

685
00:36:14,549 --> 00:36:16,109
Speaker 2: to a party, which is fine, it's just not a career.

686
00:36:16,229 --> 00:36:16,389
Speaker 1: Yeah.

687
00:36:17,549 --> 00:36:22,149
Speaker 2: Scripting allegations. The final scene of the show, as you

688
00:36:22,229 --> 00:36:24,909
Speaker 2: mentioned before, finds Brodie standing on a street and the

689
00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:27,909
Speaker 2: camera pans away and it's revealed he's standing on like

690
00:36:27,989 --> 00:36:32,709
Speaker 2: a Hollywood lot and everything around him collapses and it's

691
00:36:32,709 --> 00:36:36,229
Speaker 2: fake and it's like made a cut. Apparently this was

692
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:41,309
Speaker 2: MTV's way of trolling everyone, but again, it was traumatic

693
00:36:41,909 --> 00:36:46,349
Speaker 2: Brody said, one of the questions that was always asked

694
00:36:47,189 --> 00:36:48,869
Speaker 2: was is it real or is it fake? And we

695
00:36:48,989 --> 00:36:51,709
Speaker 2: kind of left everybody with, well, you'll never know what's

696
00:36:51,709 --> 00:36:56,349
Speaker 2: real and what's fake. And I just found that way

697
00:36:56,389 --> 00:37:02,309
Speaker 2: to end the show. Deeply unseat, Yeah, quite upsetting. It

698
00:37:02,349 --> 00:37:06,669
Speaker 2: was like jokes on your audience. Who have you got

699
00:37:06,749 --> 00:37:12,709
Speaker 2: other than us? I watched six and before that watched

700
00:37:12,749 --> 00:37:16,629
Speaker 2: Laguna Beach, and before or concurrently with that, I watched

701
00:37:16,629 --> 00:37:19,909
Speaker 2: The OC, which I knew was a drama, which I

702
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:24,309
Speaker 2: knew and I even I dabbled in the city or whatever.

703
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:30,949
Speaker 2: Whitney's show was only briefly. It wasn't good, but I dabbled. Yeah,

704
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:34,949
Speaker 2: I sat there. I worried about Heidi. When Spencer was

705
00:37:34,989 --> 00:37:38,189
Speaker 2: having her fling with Audrina. I willed Lauren to go

706
00:37:38,229 --> 00:37:51,589
Speaker 2: to Paris. There was no Paris. I was played. Yeah, Jesse,

707
00:37:51,749 --> 00:37:57,429
Speaker 2: it's time for charges and sentences, all right, Jesse my charge.

708
00:37:58,189 --> 00:38:00,229
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm upset that I don't know what's fake and

709
00:38:00,309 --> 00:38:05,229
Speaker 2: what's real. But I'm also upset that, in hindsight, the

710
00:38:05,309 --> 00:38:09,549
Speaker 2: steaks were low. Wow. Yeah for a scripted show week

711
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:13,229
Speaker 2: on plot. Yeah, So this ended in like twenty ten

712
00:38:13,389 --> 00:38:17,149
Speaker 2: since then, we've had real housewives. Yeah, we've had when

713
00:38:17,229 --> 00:38:20,469
Speaker 2: when we've had married at first sight? Oh, probably scripted.

714
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:24,549
Speaker 2: I mean we've got Hayley scrubbing a toilet with her

715
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:27,829
Speaker 2: fake husband's toothbrush. Yeah, we've got fecal matter. Sorry, it's

716
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:30,829
Speaker 2: the other way around. Actually it was her husband. Yeah,

717
00:38:30,869 --> 00:38:33,389
Speaker 2: that got annoyed by skid mark and did put the

718
00:38:33,389 --> 00:38:35,709
Speaker 2: toothbrush in the skid mark and she brushed. I believe

719
00:38:35,749 --> 00:38:38,789
Speaker 2: that actually happened. That's how far they went with the plot. Yeah,

720
00:38:38,869 --> 00:38:43,829
Speaker 2: high steaks because as we've talked about gum disease illness, Yeah,

721
00:38:43,869 --> 00:38:50,389
Speaker 2: she brushed her teeth with poop steaks the roof. We've

722
00:38:50,389 --> 00:38:54,709
Speaker 2: got a cheating scannel on the block. Even on Maths.

723
00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:57,869
Speaker 2: It's like we now have quarterly cheating scandals. You can't

724
00:38:57,909 --> 00:38:58,509
Speaker 2: just have the one.

725
00:38:58,709 --> 00:38:58,949
Speaker 1: Yeah.

726
00:38:59,229 --> 00:39:02,629
Speaker 2: I just think reality television has given us so much,

727
00:39:02,989 --> 00:39:05,349
Speaker 2: and when you look back, you go, mmm, I don't

728
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:07,829
Speaker 2: really care if Lauren goes to Paris because she seems

729
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:11,629
Speaker 2: like she's going to be fine. Yeah, And like spending

730
00:39:11,709 --> 00:39:14,389
Speaker 2: the summer with Jason not a great plot point in

731
00:39:14,429 --> 00:39:17,869
Speaker 2: that I don't care about Jason so boring. He's so

732
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:21,309
Speaker 2: non discretion yeah yeah, love steaks yeah yeah, and even

733
00:39:21,429 --> 00:39:24,749
Speaker 2: Heidie's wedding, and it was like tension, tension, tension, will

734
00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:29,509
Speaker 2: Lauren turns up, She turns up, She's entirely respectful. Then

735
00:39:29,629 --> 00:39:34,029
Speaker 2: Christian turns up. Everyone's respectful, both wearing blue dresses. I'm like,

736
00:39:34,549 --> 00:39:38,469
Speaker 2: somebody kills somebody. Somebody needs some writers in this room. Yeah,

737
00:39:38,549 --> 00:39:42,789
Speaker 2: we need somebody to I object, Yeah, I object to

738
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:45,829
Speaker 2: this wedding. Yeah, it's a wedding. Like there's so much

739
00:39:45,909 --> 00:39:49,109
Speaker 2: tru Beach felt a lot more high stakes because it

740
00:39:49,189 --> 00:39:51,629
Speaker 2: was about Steve n Yeah, and they all wanted Steve n.

741
00:39:51,749 --> 00:39:55,509
Speaker 2: I was like, I want Steve Yeah, he's quite beautiful. Yeah,

742
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:58,669
Speaker 2: so low steaks and also this idea that thinks we're

743
00:39:58,709 --> 00:40:02,429
Speaker 2: not real, which is very upsetting my sentence. The stakes

744
00:40:02,469 --> 00:40:06,229
Speaker 2: are higher when you have two children and you're spidy.

745
00:40:06,629 --> 00:40:13,829
Speaker 2: You're spidy. I forgot about their couple name that feels

746
00:40:14,189 --> 00:40:17,469
Speaker 2: very name they gave themselves. Say that, absolutely say that.

747
00:40:17,789 --> 00:40:21,349
Speaker 2: Speaking of pr, they definitely had their own PR. Yeah,

748
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:23,789
Speaker 2: to build that career. Now, Claire, what do either of

749
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:28,149
Speaker 2: them do? Okay, they were on a show called like

750
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:32,109
Speaker 2: Marriage Rehab in the US, and I do think that

751
00:40:32,229 --> 00:40:35,749
Speaker 2: they are seeking out television opportunities all the time. I think,

752
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:39,589
Speaker 2: chuck him on masks, imagine Spencer on masks or like

753
00:40:39,909 --> 00:40:43,909
Speaker 2: wife swap. They need to be on television. Yeah, and

754
00:40:43,989 --> 00:40:46,149
Speaker 2: I would watch it, and I need it to be authentic,

755
00:40:46,389 --> 00:40:50,749
Speaker 2: but I also need chaos thrown in. Spencer really upsets

756
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:54,029
Speaker 2: me with his crystals. He is he a crystal guy?

757
00:40:54,229 --> 00:40:58,549
Speaker 2: Are you joking? No, Claire, I am not deep on Spencer. TikTok.

758
00:40:59,349 --> 00:41:01,429
Speaker 2: Just he wore crystals around his neck on the hills,

759
00:41:01,429 --> 00:41:04,589
Speaker 2: but he's become more of a crystal guy. Okay. He's

760
00:41:04,629 --> 00:41:06,509
Speaker 2: really into them. He's always kissing them and putting them

761
00:41:06,509 --> 00:41:08,789
Speaker 2: against his forehead and stuff. Okay, so I need to

762
00:41:08,829 --> 00:41:11,509
Speaker 2: know more about his crystal copy. Okay. Does he sell crystals?

763
00:41:12,469 --> 00:41:15,189
Speaker 2: Feels like he might. Yeah, it seems like he probably does.

764
00:41:15,709 --> 00:41:18,429
Speaker 2: They're always courting attention, and I think they need their

765
00:41:18,469 --> 00:41:18,949
Speaker 2: own show.

766
00:41:19,189 --> 00:41:19,389
Speaker 5: Yep.

767
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:21,829
Speaker 2: Yeah, and i'd watch it, but it needs to be

768
00:41:21,869 --> 00:41:26,509
Speaker 2: produced by whoever makes the Kardashians. Somebody knows how to

769
00:41:26,549 --> 00:41:30,149
Speaker 2: bloody construct a story in twenty twenty four, I agree. Okay,

770
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:33,829
Speaker 2: my charge, I wonder where Enzo is now? Oh my god,

771
00:41:35,229 --> 00:41:39,989
Speaker 2: Agonenzo was maybe ten, probably younger he'd be in this

772
00:41:40,109 --> 00:41:44,389
Speaker 2: twenty Okay, okay, sorry, can you imagine being Enzo? Let's say,

773
00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:46,069
Speaker 2: I don't reckon he was ten. I reckon it was

774
00:41:46,109 --> 00:41:51,189
Speaker 2: eight and your neighbors want to throw you a party? Weird,

775
00:41:51,869 --> 00:41:54,669
Speaker 2: But in fact it's nearly breaking down their marriage. Their

776
00:41:54,669 --> 00:41:57,029
Speaker 2: decision whether or not to throw your party. How traumatic

777
00:41:57,069 --> 00:41:59,709
Speaker 2: that would be. And it was very and it's on television.

778
00:41:59,829 --> 00:42:02,669
Speaker 2: It was very much like poor Enzo. Yeah, his family

779
00:42:02,709 --> 00:42:04,869
Speaker 2: doesn't love him, will throw him a party? Yeah? And

780
00:42:04,909 --> 00:42:07,709
Speaker 2: so never said that. And again, I don't think it's

781
00:42:07,789 --> 00:42:13,549
Speaker 2: Enzo's birthday now, okay, being fake storylines and everything, and

782
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:17,189
Speaker 2: this is where it got confusing, except for Heidi's face, right,

783
00:42:17,269 --> 00:42:21,229
Speaker 2: People said that was the realist, real real is that

784
00:42:21,269 --> 00:42:24,189
Speaker 2: scene with her mother going, She didn't go, is this permanent?

785
00:42:24,269 --> 00:42:28,149
Speaker 2: She parded. This wasn't like a we'll do a funny

786
00:42:28,149 --> 00:42:30,589
Speaker 2: storyline where I get too much lip and then it dissolves.

787
00:42:31,269 --> 00:42:34,069
Speaker 2: It was almost like Heidi didn't realize this was a

788
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:36,989
Speaker 2: manufactioned scripted show. You don't have to do that, babe.

789
00:42:37,269 --> 00:42:39,789
Speaker 2: Then she full went to a plastic surgeon and was

790
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:46,149
Speaker 2: like so bad back sculpting not reversible. Yeah, so now

791
00:42:46,149 --> 00:42:48,469
Speaker 2: I just got to live with this new face, because

792
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:51,309
Speaker 2: I think best storyline in the Hills ever was Hidi

793
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:53,269
Speaker 2: getting a new face. Obviously, it was just that Heidi

794
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:54,669
Speaker 2: then had to live with that faith there was only

795
00:42:54,709 --> 00:42:59,269
Speaker 2: six seasons. She then had to live with it in private. Yeah, Okay.

796
00:42:59,469 --> 00:43:02,789
Speaker 2: My sentence is that I don't think if you are

797
00:43:02,829 --> 00:43:05,509
Speaker 2: not on Spencer Prat TikTok, I don't think we talk

798
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:10,109
Speaker 2: enough about Spencer Pratt as a culture. He inserts himself,

799
00:43:10,509 --> 00:43:12,589
Speaker 2: I know, but I just think we should be prosecuting

800
00:43:12,669 --> 00:43:18,189
Speaker 2: him weekly. He needs a centralized place to exist Spencer.

801
00:43:18,269 --> 00:43:21,629
Speaker 2: I feel like he exists on discord. Yeah, like some

802
00:43:21,789 --> 00:43:26,429
Speaker 2: deep dark web situation, maybe a pawny site. He needs

803
00:43:26,469 --> 00:43:29,589
Speaker 2: more of a consistent TikTok strategy. And he also like

804
00:43:29,669 --> 00:43:32,269
Speaker 2: the thing is, if you google anything about the Hills,

805
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:34,749
Speaker 2: it's like Spencer Pratt talked about that, but it's like,

806
00:43:34,789 --> 00:43:36,669
Speaker 2: why did you just do it on TikTok. He's a

807
00:43:36,709 --> 00:43:39,829
Speaker 2: professional troll. I think that's what because what's the worst

808
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:42,109
Speaker 2: thing he's ever done? Like, why do we other than

809
00:43:42,189 --> 00:43:45,069
Speaker 2: like he wasn't nice about Mary Kate. He talked about

810
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:48,469
Speaker 2: that in that episode I mean an abusive relationship with Heidi. Yeah, okay,

811
00:43:48,509 --> 00:43:50,709
Speaker 2: he bullies hiding and he's really mean to her. Yeah,

812
00:43:50,709 --> 00:43:52,509
Speaker 2: and because it was really critical of the way she looked.

813
00:43:52,669 --> 00:43:55,669
Speaker 2: And he says horrible things about everyone. He's a bad

814
00:43:55,749 --> 00:43:59,469
Speaker 2: berth okay, and he falls out with everyone. I don't

815
00:43:59,469 --> 00:44:02,549
Speaker 2: think he speaks with family one of them. Yeah, yeah,

816
00:44:02,789 --> 00:44:06,709
Speaker 2: right right, don't trust him. Don't trust him. Before we go,

817
00:44:06,789 --> 00:44:09,109
Speaker 2: I have a lazy girl story from Hannah. He's a

818
00:44:09,189 --> 00:44:12,389
Speaker 2: lazy girl. Hannah says that she made pasta the other

819
00:44:12,469 --> 00:44:15,549
Speaker 2: night and when she drained it in the sink, a

820
00:44:15,629 --> 00:44:18,469
Speaker 2: few bigger chunks got stuck in the plug thing that

821
00:44:18,549 --> 00:44:21,389
Speaker 2: stops food going down the drain. She doesn't know what

822
00:44:21,429 --> 00:44:24,269
Speaker 2: it's called, too lazy to google it. She couldn't be

823
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:26,469
Speaker 2: bothered walking the five meters to the bin because that

824
00:44:26,469 --> 00:44:29,469
Speaker 2: would require her to pick up the let's call it

825
00:44:29,669 --> 00:44:33,029
Speaker 2: a spiral pasta or a penne. She'd have to pick

826
00:44:33,029 --> 00:44:34,309
Speaker 2: it up and throw it at the bin. And she's like,

827
00:44:34,349 --> 00:44:35,629
Speaker 2: I don't want to go all the way to the bin.

828
00:44:35,909 --> 00:44:38,069
Speaker 2: What I do is I turn the tap on at

829
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:44,469
Speaker 2: four down with knife. Yeah, that's not what she did.

830
00:44:45,069 --> 00:44:47,189
Speaker 2: She didn't eat it. I picked it up, threw it

831
00:44:47,189 --> 00:44:50,589
Speaker 2: at the mouth. There is no bin like the mouth. Honey,

832
00:44:51,149 --> 00:44:54,549
Speaker 2: it's not good past aids damp it is so there

833
00:44:54,549 --> 00:44:58,149
Speaker 2: was only a few pieces. It's sink past think fast,

834
00:44:58,309 --> 00:45:00,469
Speaker 2: you don't want think. I don't know. There's no such

835
00:45:00,509 --> 00:45:03,069
Speaker 2: thing as a person who hasn't eaten sink pasta. Because

836
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:05,749
Speaker 2: sometimes you do the thing and then some falls out.

837
00:45:06,149 --> 00:45:09,069
Speaker 2: You go, I'm not gonna waste I'm no exactly right,

838
00:45:09,389 --> 00:45:12,509
Speaker 2: And Jepp Astaire, you think can go are you really

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Speaker 2: dirty or are you really clean?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because I put soap in you a lot. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I often think that are you dirty or cleaner than

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Speaker 2: my toilet? But that's so beautiful of chemical exactly, very confusing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on this episode

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Speaker 2: of Canceled. The producer I've canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with

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