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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on. Ever since I started seeing my skin, lady,

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Speaker 2: Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to you Beauty the daily podcast for

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Speaker 2: your faith. I'm Marion Doggerty. I'm welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 2: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of

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Speaker 2: their skin caretenes. Sitting across from me today is someone

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Speaker 2: giving me.

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Speaker 1: A celebrity apparently, or a big name in beauty.

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Speaker 2: The big name it's someone you might have heard of before.

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Speaker 2: She's a digital creator, a marketing consultant and just so

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Speaker 2: happens to be co host of Australia's number one beauty podcast.

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Speaker 2: She's got over fifteen years of industry experience with a

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Speaker 2: background in media and she just really bloody loves all

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Speaker 2: things beauty. If there's a viral makeup look going around,

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Speaker 2: you gonna vet she's tried it. I'm, of course talking

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Speaker 2: about Kelly mccaren, my partner in crime and my naughty

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Speaker 2: since welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's only taken six months for us to be allowed

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Speaker 1: to be back in a studio together.

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Speaker 2: I know, I think we got banned.

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Speaker 4: I think we did.

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Speaker 1: Wait, no, we were allowed for the Ubide Awards. But

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Speaker 1: then that was quickly.

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Speaker 2: But it was like, stop lasting, We'll stop.

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Speaker 1: Laughing and stop bickering, and Kelly stopped telling Aaron that

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Speaker 1: her product choices are boring, boring.

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Speaker 2: Now today, Kelly is going to be sharing her insights

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Speaker 2: first started working as a cosmetic consultant at Priceline, and

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Speaker 2: we'll also be sharing her updated skin caroutine and everything

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Speaker 2: she's currently loving. I'm we will be the judge of

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Speaker 2: that class. We've got some surprise questions from the Mom

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Speaker 2: some beauty questions. Kel Everyone got real excited. She's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, such beautiful skin.

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Speaker 4: But how.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to roll in on the first question, what

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Speaker 1: This is so niche, but I'm actually really excited about

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so Tarlie has asked, how has your perspective

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Speaker 1: I don't think that the industry has changed that much

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Speaker 2: I feel like hyperconsumerism is just a massive thing right now.

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Speaker 1: Our purpose and goal is to edit down the noise.

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Speaker 2: So that kind of segues nicely into our next question

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Speaker 3: Kelly, my question is do you think that you need

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Speaker 1: So it just depends I do everything under the bloody sun,

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Speaker 1: So let's look at LED mask as an example. A

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Speaker 1: It's like going to the gym and going PT I

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Speaker 2: So speaking of treatments, we have Kim who asked, do

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Speaker 4: I don't think it will ever go out of fashion.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about how filler is kind of dead

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Speaker 2: We'll here for long term, all right. On that note,

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Speaker 4: I mean, what is your self carroty, give us.

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Speaker 1: It's like a serum, but it's thicker than a hyaluronic acid.

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Speaker 1: The dermal therapy very dry face cleanser under twenty bucks.

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Speaker 2: I love those affordable chemist fires that are just gonna

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Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to think of when I

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Speaker 4: Oh, this problem is two hundred dollars and it's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna go.

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Speaker 4: That's the Spendys.

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Speaker 1: That's with the Spendy section on Friday here for affordable

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Speaker 1: People ask me if I've had injectables. It completely freshens

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so nice when you have a skin lady.

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Speaker 1: People do not believe me when I tell them that

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Speaker 1: go to things. This year, I've upgraded to rf'k needling,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it is at all. I read that

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Speaker 2: Like, are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, what is wrong with you? Like I've got low

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Speaker 4: It is the most painful thing I've ever done.

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Speaker 2: Shut out. It was so sore.

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Speaker 4: Women cut out of you.

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Speaker 2: You get a green whistle, the same one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, hit, You've been one of the greatest discoveries of

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Speaker 4: Oh miss, never again. Never.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've already talked about my hit, which would be

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Speaker 1: skin needling. I mean I could talk about that till

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Speaker 1: the end of time. I could also talk about hobe oil.

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of things.

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Speaker 2: You could generally just talk until the end of Yet,

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Speaker 1: A very fair point. To my friend Aarren, that is

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Speaker 1: is I hate skincare marketing. I hate green washing, I

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Speaker 1: or clean, clean beauty, so that's my mess that I

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Speaker 1: really don't like those sorts of forms of fearmongering marketing.

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Speaker 2: But that's why our ubis have you Kelly to help

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Speaker 2: break it down. Cut through the BS on Friday. All right,

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Speaker 2: kel do you want to help me do the outro?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Okay, yes, go on.

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Speaker 1: This episode of You Beauty was produced by the delightful

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Speaker 1: Cassie Merit, with audio editing by Lou Hill. We have

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Speaker 1: The Beauty Besties will be in your ears tomorrow, good

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Speaker 1: one Beauty Besties aka real life Besties.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see you next Tuesday for another interview talking

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Speaker 2: all things skincare.

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Speaker 4: See you next Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Wink