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Speaker 3: Hello and Happy New Year, out Louders. Welcome to Mamma

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Speaker 3: Mia out louds traditional New Year's Day ritual where we

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Speaker 3: explore our words of the year. How many years do

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Speaker 3: you think we've been doing words of the year for

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Speaker 3: MEA rough Well.

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Speaker 2: The show's been going for ten.

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Speaker 4: I reckon it's been happening since I was on the show,

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Speaker 4: I think, which was about seven or eight years. So

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Speaker 4: I reckon eight years at least a long time for

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Speaker 4: eight years something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that funny. I can't remember doing the show

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Speaker 2: without YouTube.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm the piece of furniture.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about, you may because you've been doing

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Speaker 4: it the longest. I don't think there are anyways left

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Speaker 4: for you. But anyway, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just in English, there's none left. I can have to

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Speaker 2: stay my word. They is going to have to be

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Speaker 2: in different languages.

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Speaker 3: If you don't know about word of the year, what

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Speaker 3: have you been doing? But if you don't about what

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Speaker 3: the year? The way it started was Meya in particular,

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Speaker 3: was like New Year's resolutions are usually often punitive. They

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Speaker 3: are often like I'm going to stop doing this. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to be more like that, and we're like, no,

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Speaker 3: What we need is a vibe, an overarching vibe.

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Speaker 2: Like GPS setting our intention for the year, just something

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Speaker 2: that we want to come back to.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes we mail it, sometimes we don't.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes we weaponize it against each other.

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Speaker 2: And part of the Outlaud canon whenever we record this

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Speaker 2: episode is reminiscing to the year that Holly tried to

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Speaker 2: have three sentences.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't allow it. I must have been just feeling

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Speaker 2: a bit too tight on the day to disagree with her,

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Speaker 2: but because I'm usually the stickler for the rules. But

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Speaker 2: how'd you go with that whole quote?

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Speaker 3: It was? And I can't even remember what it was.

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Speaker 3: It was very meaningful, It was a time. But this

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Speaker 3: to get to this obviously when we talk, but like

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Speaker 3: we start the year like everybody full of good intentions,

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Speaker 3: VIM vigor, spiritual aspiration, m exactly, and then we often

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Speaker 3: get to this And this is what we're about to do,

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Speaker 3: is what we always do on this show, and we

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Speaker 3: of course, is do a little performance review on how

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Speaker 3: you with the performance review, yes is it?

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Speaker 4: None of us can remember, and so we have.

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Speaker 3: To remind our each other what our words are and

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Speaker 3: then decide whether or not we lived up to them,

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Speaker 3: and then we announce, and again out Louder, we encourage

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Speaker 3: you to join us and do the same our word

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Speaker 4: With renewed hope, where we tell each other it'll be

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Speaker 2: Which one of you is the one that always has

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 4: Happening again? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your word of the year in twenty

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Speaker 4: My word of the year in twenty twenty four was kindness?

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Speaker 4: Do I feel I've lived up to that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you were very kind. I don't think

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Speaker 4: Well, no, but you don't count. I'm sure you've been a.

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Speaker 2: Very kind person, not unkind, but you just like didn't

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Speaker 4: Well, I think my definition of kindness. I was like,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to donate more and like volunteer more. And

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is the issue is that I'm

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Speaker 4: kind things in the Bible. It says you shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 2: Nowhere at the Bible. Weapon the Bible is an excuse

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Speaker 4: But like should I show my bank statement?

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Speaker 3: So basically you're sitting there and I was super kind.

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Speaker 3: I just can't tell you about it. That seems like

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Speaker 4: So look, look, I wanted to just have a focus

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Speaker 4: of thing, right. And I've loned a lot about kindness

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Speaker 4: this year. The first is that when I say no,

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Speaker 4: and to be more boundaried. I've never been more boundaried.

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Speaker 4: I'm still very imperfect at that, but I have been

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Speaker 2: So you have been saying no.

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Speaker 4: I have been saying no more, which doesn't make me

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Speaker 4: doing that is that I'm a bitch to my husband

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Speaker 4: for a day. And like I've learned that lesson so

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Speaker 4: many times. But I feel like this year I've gone

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Speaker 4: in order to be a really good daughter and a

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Speaker 4: those things, I've got to say no.

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Speaker 2: That's smart, and I should revoke my earlier comment because

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Speaker 2: you made me a birthday cake. I did, and you

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Speaker 2: were the only one that did I did.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: She did not de sid. She didn't put daughter in

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Speaker 3: kind at. She said, I want to be a kind daughter.

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Speaker 2: She is so true. I just took the daughter. But

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Speaker 2: I think that's such an interesting interpretation of kind.

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Speaker 3: That's true because for most people.

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Speaker 2: Probably also the Bible, kindness is about self sacrifice, and

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Speaker 2: for you, what you were doing it was a misguided

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Speaker 2: form of self sacrifice because you were just trading out

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Speaker 2: the people who you love the most.

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Speaker 4: Yes, for strangers, Yes, exactly. And it's like everyone deserves

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Speaker 4: your kindness. But also you are a finite resource. So

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Speaker 4: that so there's a leaderboard, yeah, there is.

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Speaker 2: At the top of it are your dependents, your partner

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Speaker 4: And when we did a check in earlier in the year,

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Speaker 4: a lot of people and you two set as well.

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Speaker 4: Like kindness sources about being kind to yourself, that's true,

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Speaker 4: and giving myself a little bit more space. The difference

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Speaker 4: I've noticed in my work is all over the place.

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Speaker 4: But some weeks I find myself with say a Tuesday

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Speaker 4: where it's Luna and I, and they feel like days

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Speaker 4: as though they've been. I've probably been kinder to myself

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Speaker 4: this year than I've ever been, just a bit genter.

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Speaker 3: After yourself mentally and physical.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all that stuff. I've definitely felt that. But as always,

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Speaker 4: I a year behind because the year before was family

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Speaker 4: I think about the last year we went to Fiji,

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Speaker 4: I've seen my mum and my sister. This year was

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Speaker 4: about like Claire was writing a book, and what was

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Speaker 4: important for me was to be like a really good

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Speaker 4: sister and help with Matilda and be encouraging. Like in

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Speaker 4: that way, I feel like I delivered kind.

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Speaker 3: Of so brief, just more element of kindness because one

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Speaker 3: of the things that makes the world a very shit

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Speaker 3: place to be sometimes is that we've all forgotten how

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Speaker 3: to be kind to each other, to strangers and things

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Speaker 3: on the internet and in places like that. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've lived through all this tumultuous online nonsense and we've

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Speaker 2: That's really true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not without wanting to get too specific, but you know,

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Speaker 3: like sometimes you get very tempted to weigh into.

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Speaker 3: That somebody is trying to lure you into. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think there was a time when we all would

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Speaker 3: genuinely believe this. I'm not just saying it because there's

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Speaker 3: And the kind of choice is actually, I don't need

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Holly, what was your words?

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm going to be very disappointing this year because

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Speaker 3: I really I just think I fucked it completely because

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Speaker 3: the first time, as I say community, it was community.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to remember, so why one of the

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Speaker 3: be so much more selfless in many ways. And actually,

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Speaker 3: as you would know if you'd listened to the best

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Speaker 3: and worst episode from a few days ago, I said

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Speaker 3: my best of the year, Actually this year has been work,

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Speaker 3: which is true, lots of really exciting and sometimes it's

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Speaker 3: done absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you go first, because I think it's the same

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Speaker 2: You've built the community of gen X women around Mid.

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Speaker 2: Oh do we ask thousand? That's what we do on

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Speaker 2: our shows? Is we some more than others? But like

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Speaker 2: out Loud is a community, there's a community around canceled,

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Speaker 2: and you've built a community around mid. Community can be

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Speaker 2: interpreted in lots of different ways. And I reckon, you've

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think you have. I think you have. And

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Speaker 4: the other thing I was going to say is like

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Speaker 4: I was there for Very Writer's Festival. You're very involved

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Speaker 4: in your Very writer Festival. You were there, That's true.

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Speaker 4: I went visit a Holly's place there. I'm your community.

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Speaker 2: She's in a community.

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Speaker 6: I came.

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Speaker 4: I saw a community there were I didn't see any

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Speaker 4: other people.

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Speaker 3: I love you to my highs for this, but I

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Speaker 3: do think I kind of misjudged, you know, like sometimes

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Speaker 3: you think is this going to be an achievement year,

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Speaker 3: is this going to be a whatever? And I think

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Speaker 3: I kind of misjudged this year. But anyway, it's not

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Speaker 3: been a bad year at all. But I do think

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Speaker 2: I can't work out whether we're trying to shoehorn our

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Speaker 2: year retrospectively for each other into our word, or whether

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Speaker 2: sometimes what you think you mean by a word, it's

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Speaker 4: just community me yours just something like that, grace. For

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Speaker 3: Grace because your friend Julia Baird had just written that

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Speaker 2: I've had no grace this year.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean none?

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Speaker 2: I just have been very as per our best and

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Speaker 4: I've definitely not had grace with yourself. You've been very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I truly have failed at my

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Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't meant to be your word.

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Speaker 4: Julia Bad writes a lot about ocean swimming. Have you

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Speaker 2: Yuky, yucky? I always had this conversation with Julia. I'm like, yuck,

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Speaker 3: But that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I think that for all the reasons that I discussed

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Speaker 3: Okay, because we are each other's hype girls and we're

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Speaker 4: I'm trying really hard.

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Speaker 3: But however, I think in this last couple of months,

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Speaker 4: I agree, actually, because you know how I said to you.

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Speaker 4: I think that you felt it, but I've never heard

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Speaker 5: That you no.

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Speaker 3: You often said in hindsight, you might say it in hindsight,

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Speaker 4: For you to say I am burnt out like I've

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Speaker 3: Yes, maybe your year was about getting to grace and

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Speaker 4: Be something because it should be something.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was about meeting someone called Grace, which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you've done it. Switch there is someone in mom

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Speaker 4: You've crossed path.

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Speaker 2: This is the pretzel effect. We took ourselves in not

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Speaker 2: of distance. We go, okay, maybe there was Grace.

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Speaker 6: Do you know who?

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Speaker 2: Also, Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban's youngest daughter is called Grace.

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Speaker 4: Is she?

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Speaker 2: She is her because they needed Grace because she came

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Speaker 3: This is a kind of things to remind me as heads.

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Speaker 4: She wonders why she's burnt out because you need to read.

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Speaker 3: Okay, out louders coming up, you're going to hear some

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Speaker 3: of your words of the year, and you are going

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Speaker 3: to hear ours. I'm sure you've got high hopes for them.

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Speaker 4: Review we're so aspirational.

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Speaker 7: Hell out. My word is magic because it reminds me

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Speaker 6: My word of the Year for twenty twenty five is strength,

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Speaker 1: My word for twenty twenty five is self compassion. So

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Speaker 5: I think my word of the year is going to

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Speaker 5: the year that I'm going to put energy back into

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Speaker 5: if not more. I'm not wasting my time, energy or

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Speaker 7: Nea Jesse and Holley Karen Hare from Melbourne. Just to

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Speaker 7: to keep me company for I think nearly ten years

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Speaker 7: at the stage now my words of the year of

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Speaker 7: seeing my word around and yes I can't be a

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Speaker 7: bit wo woo we even though I'm a scientist. So

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Speaker 7: my word this year for twenty twenty five is thrive.

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Speaker 7: So enjoy what I've worked over the last two years

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Speaker 2: Word of the year Holly, kick us.

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Speaker 4: Off I'm decided because I have no idea what either

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Speaker 3: Word of the Year this year I've decided is nope.

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Speaker 4: I thought you said not, but okay.

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Speaker 3: Nope, as in enop, I'm not doing that. Nope, I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing a word enough because so no.

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Speaker 3: Feels too hot, know what I'm like, No, it's too much,

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Speaker 3: But nop is like what I want to do this year.

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Speaker 3: It's like not to all the bullshit expectations on my

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Speaker 4: My community well in a way I feel like is

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Speaker 2: And I also love a first and this is the

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Speaker 2: a word of a Year. I love not so much. God,

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Speaker 2: You're clever with words, because you're right. No seems very negative. No,

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Speaker 2: there's a sprightliness and an irreverence, and it's it's not.

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Speaker 3: Just saying no, I'm not gonna no, I won't, no,

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Speaker 4: Can you think it's not a example of something you

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Speaker 3: Well this sounds really wanky, but I want to say

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Speaker 3: I'm not that. I'm like nup to that bullshit expectation,

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Speaker 3: Like it's okay, Like I don't have to be stressed

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Speaker 2: The opposite of nuppies should Yes.

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Speaker 3: I want to get rid of my shoulds. And so

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Speaker 3: it's not like I'm not still going to be annoying

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Speaker 3: like I'm probably going to continue to do that, let's

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Speaker 3: not yes.

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Speaker 4: It's I like that. I like that a lot.

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Speaker 7: Me.

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Speaker 4: What's your word?

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Speaker 2: My word is a very boring word, and it is make.

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Speaker 2: Let me explain.

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Speaker 4: Okay, wait, wait wait, I've had created? You create? Okay,

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Speaker 4: you had create?

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Speaker 2: I did. How is make different? To create? And create

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Speaker 2: The reason I like make is I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: the different meanings of make. I want to make, not manage.

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Speaker 2: I want to make, not moan. I want to make,

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Speaker 2: not mourn. I want to make things. I want to

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Speaker 4: Yes, I love this. I like to make.

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Speaker 3: I particularly like make in that instance, because that's the thing, right,

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Speaker 3: It's like make space, make time, make memories, make.

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Speaker 2: Stuff because create is about fucking productivity. I want to create.

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Speaker 4: I want to make.

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Speaker 2: I want to make. Isn't because make might be memories,

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Speaker 4: Oh, I like that. I like that, and it's a

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Speaker 2: Watch me forget it by next week. But I like

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Speaker 4: I like it all right. My worther the year also

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Speaker 4: the reason I have that is because I'm feeling a

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Speaker 4: that I'm excited by and i want to lean into them.

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Speaker 4: And watching Holly last year finish a book and Claire

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Speaker 4: finish a book, I've started.

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Speaker 3: To put you off ever writing another book ever again,

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Speaker 3: by all the mental breakdowns, this.

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Speaker 4: Envy of just where you get to when you've done

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Speaker 4: a project of that size, rather than you know, the

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Speaker 4: short SoundBite things that we spend so much of our

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Speaker 4: lives in. I think it's it's so fulfilling, and I

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Speaker 4: feel jealous of that.

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Speaker 2: Writing a book also is the only creative project that

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Speaker 2: you have that you do alone, that you we make

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Speaker 2: this podcast as a group, you do Canceled as a duo,

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Speaker 2: you're on the project as a gree, you're doing scriptwriting

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Speaker 2: with Claire. It's so funny you say that, because when

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Speaker 2: you were saying about kindness and how you think you

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Speaker 2: didn't do it so well in twenty twenty four, I

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Speaker 2: was going to say, I think by not jumping into

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Speaker 2: another book. Yeah, you were kind.

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Speaker 4: To your I agree. I agree, and I don't even

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Speaker 4: know that's I gave room for everything else and creativity. I'm

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Speaker 4: not even sure if that means another book. It's just like,

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Speaker 4: what's a project that will stretch me, that feels like

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Speaker 4: a risk, that feels new and different and a bit selfish.

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Speaker 4: It's like there were the things that were established that like,

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Speaker 4: you know, I feel like I know how to do

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Speaker 4: out loud, and I you know, I'm not taking time

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Speaker 4: away from many one because there are just those established things.

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Speaker 4: But I feel sometimes when I get into bed at night,

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Speaker 4: like this yearning to almost like journal but like and

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Speaker 4: I guess that that's wanting to write again. But whatever

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Speaker 4: that looks like a creativity, Yeah, I lean back into it.

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Speaker 2: I want something. Part of my make is I'm making

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Speaker 2: something at the moment, I'm making it doing this audio project,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to talk to anyone about.

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Speaker 4: It because committee. I also agree.

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Speaker 2: Everything I do, everything we do, And I think that's

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Speaker 2: probably why you've liked mid because more than everything else

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Speaker 2: that you do. Oh, you've got your book, it's different.

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Speaker 2: But I do nothing that's just me like nothing. I

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Speaker 2: suppose my Instagram and my clothes. That's just me, which

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Speaker 2: is why I absolutely love it. And that's part of

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Speaker 2: making is just making space for that and being creative

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Speaker 2: and playing in my wardrobe. But watching Claire and watching

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Speaker 2: you last year and watching you write your book call

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Speaker 2: Jesse last Year for you, it's made me very clear

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Speaker 2: about how I never want to write another book. I

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Speaker 2: don't because I've just gone hang on. I hate the writing,

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Speaker 2: not the actual writing, but it's the all the time

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Speaker 2: when you're not writing and you feel like you should

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Speaker 2: be writing. It's that and the long deadline and the uh.

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Speaker 2: And then I also hate the promoting of the book.

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Speaker 2: And there's not much money in it, certainly not for me,

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Speaker 2: so it's like, well wait why yeah, And so that

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Speaker 2: was a real relief just to go with oh no,

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Speaker 2: I mean I thought that was done. But you this

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Speaker 2: is why you know you guys are true writer writers.

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Speaker 2: You look at that and go, oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: I like the challenge, right, because you come into work.

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Speaker 4: I might have a pitch. I've probably thought about that

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Speaker 4: pitch for eleven seconds, right, and you throw it out

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Speaker 4: and maybe it gets people go yes or no or whatever. Right,

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Speaker 4: But when you're working on something on your own. You

499
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Speaker 4: need to go deeper on it, you need to analyze

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Speaker 4: it and challenge it, and no one says yes, and

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Speaker 4: no one says no, which is why it's terrifying. But

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Speaker 4: you get to this level of depth that's a lot

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Speaker 4: more enriching, and you're able to work things out. It's

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Speaker 4: less transactional.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've been thinking about this project and I blurted

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Speaker 2: it out in a meeting a little while ago, and

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Speaker 2: everyone wanted to grab it. Can we get a sponsor?

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Speaker 2: What's it going to be?

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Speaker 3: Tell us of our world?

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Speaker 2: And it's like, no, no, no, I just actually it's

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Speaker 2: the same with like selling a book proposal, yeah, or

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Speaker 2: pitching a podcast idea, and I love.

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Speaker 4: Doing I'm not going to box it in yet, but I.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to be. And then at one point I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: having a sponsor and a time and a deadline, will

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Speaker 2: that help me? And it's like my whole life is that, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I need to just play with this little thing in

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Speaker 2: my sand pit and just be able to just play

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Speaker 2: with it by myself when you feel yeah, I've realized.

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Speaker 2: That's One of the trickiest things of another revelation this

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Speaker 2: year was being in a company of one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty people and being responsible ultimately for the content created

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Speaker 2: by that company. I'm not suited to being in a

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Speaker 2: business that size, let alone running it, and I've known

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Speaker 2: that for a long time, so I should never have

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Speaker 2: been CEO. But I don't even want to be a

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Speaker 2: senior manager at that level. I want to just go

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Speaker 2: and work by myself.

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Speaker 4: You want to make stuff, there's not actually, you guys

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Speaker 4: too a lot of room for creativity.

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Speaker 2: Just solving problems.

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Speaker 3: True, And you know it's not lost on me that

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Speaker 3: me being able to step away from that a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago makes your life hard on me. But

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Speaker 3: it has been, I know. But yes, so we're all

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Speaker 3: getting good because one of the things I was thinking

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Speaker 3: about my nup too, is like when I do have

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Speaker 3: my book coming out in April, which I'll be boring

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Speaker 3: all the out louders with no end of course, because

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Speaker 3: I hope they're going to like it. But it's like

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Speaker 3: I hope I've learned, and I have to keep remembering

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Speaker 3: to have the confidence to stand in what you've learned,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I'm as Mia knows about me,

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Speaker 3: like I can be very like, oh I don't know

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Speaker 3: do they think that's a good idea, But like I

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Speaker 3: actually know a lot now, So like saying not to

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Speaker 3: things that won't work or won't help or won't make

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Speaker 3: space for things that will. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And I think too. Yeah, So I think that's another

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Speaker 3: gift that comes with age that sometimes you think is

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Speaker 3: a disadvantage, But it's like knowing, like I do know stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be an exciting year, guys.

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Speaker 3: I think so too. Out loud as, what are your words?

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Speaker 3: We've heard some of them. Please keep that conversation going

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Speaker 3: wherever you want to.

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Speaker 2: We've got a little inspo list because I also know

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Speaker 2: what it's like feeling suddenly you can't think of any word, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes you need a little thought starter and you

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Speaker 2: find your word and you're allowed to change your word.

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Speaker 2: There's no strict rules except you're not allowed of sentence.

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Speaker 4: So we have a link in the show notes where

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Speaker 4: we have put together a list of all the words

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Speaker 4: that you can choose from or like. Please comment and

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Speaker 4: give us more if you've got them, and let us

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Speaker 4: know on the out louders, because we feel very inspired.

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Speaker 2: Word you've chosen massive thank you to our incredible team,

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Speaker 2: and we wanted to share their words of the year

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Speaker 2: before we leave you. Our executive producer, Ruth de Vin's

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Speaker 2: word of the year is nap, nap but nap.

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Speaker 3: Imagine a year with more naps.

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Speaker 5: I love.

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Speaker 2: Senior producer Emmeline Gazillas is hoping for calm in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Good luck with that.

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Speaker 4: M I think she's ready. Please don't do the show.

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Speaker 3: She's a very cul.

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Speaker 4: She's a very calm person.

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Speaker 3: Influence on us.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Our audio producer is Leah Porter's and her word

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Speaker 2: is riz. She wants more style, charm and gen a

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Speaker 2: pizzazz I love that for her. And our social media

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Speaker 2: producer Isabelle Dolphin's word is evolved.

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Speaker 4: I think that's been one of yours too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've tried that.

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Speaker 3: That's mysterious.

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Speaker 2: Don't do better than me, Bye, by bye. Shout out

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Speaker 2: to any Muma mia subscribers listening. If you love the

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Speaker 2: show and want to support us as well, subscribing to

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Speaker 2: mom and Mia is the very best way to do so.

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Speaker 2: There is a link in the episode description