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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 3: This is Mmma MEA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 2: Why is Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: So obsessed with Jeffrey Epstein? Today we're bringing you a

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Speaker 3: fresh Trump date, running through the big stories swirling around

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Speaker 3: the US president, from the Epstein files to late night

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Speaker 3: TV drama and billion dollar lawsuits. Before we get there,

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Speaker 3: here's Clare Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom

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Speaker 3: for Thursday July twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 1: A doctor who was treating friend Star Matthew Perry in

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Speaker 1: the lead up to his death has faced court, pleading

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Speaker 1: guilty to supplying the Star, the deadly drug that ended

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Speaker 1: his life. Doctor Salvador Placentia was the fourth of five

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Speaker 1: people charged in relation to Perry's death. After initially pleading

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Speaker 1: plead guilty last month to four co of ketamine distribution

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Speaker 1: in exchange for three other counts of distribution being dropped,

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Speaker 1: along with two charges of falsifying records. He stood next

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Speaker 1: to his lawyer in court yesterday, admitting he was guilty

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Speaker 1: of supplying the drug to Perry. Prosecutors saying he was

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Speaker 1: not the one who sold him the doset ultimately killed him.

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Speaker 1: They described how despite Perry freezing up and his blood

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Speaker 1: pressure spiking after Placentia administered one injection, he still left

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Speaker 1: more ketamine for Perry's assistant to inject later. In a

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Speaker 1: text message, Placentia wrote, I wonder how much this moron

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Speaker 1: will pay. Perry had been using ketamine through his regular

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Speaker 1: He's been allowed to remain free until his sentencing in

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Speaker 1: early December, and has advised he'll be handing over his

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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, and Xana Canodle were found stabbed to death

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Speaker 1: His team reportedly going to offer up friends of the

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Speaker 1: without empathy or remorse, explaining how nearly three years later,

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Speaker 1: case it happens again. Coburger did not speak or offer

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Speaker 1: Orcus Nuclear Submarine Deal, despite an ongoing formal review of

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Speaker 3: Thanks Claire. Next time for another Trump date. If you

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Speaker 3: feel like Trump's name has been attached to every controversy

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Speaker 3: up to. I promise in this Trump date neary a

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Speaker 3: tariff will be mentioned first up the Epstein files. President

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Speaker 3: Trump is in the thick of a political firestorm after

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Speaker 3: new reports and documents of his long association with the

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Speaker 3: convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein flooded the media. The latest

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Speaker 3: a story the president fiercely denies. As more details trickle out,

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Speaker 3: They're stupid people. His own allies are getting nervous, worried

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Speaker 3: that Trump's maneuvering around the Epstein issue could fracture his support,

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Speaker 3: especially among the Margabase, who keep demanding transparency. As if

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Speaker 3: that wasn't enough, Trump's former relationships with figures like Elaine

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Speaker 3: Maxwell keeps surfacing, leading his team to urge more proactive

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Speaker 3: releases of related legal documents. Speaking of Glaine, she's been

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Speaker 3: subpoenaed by US Congress to testify about just what she

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Speaker 3: knows in the entire Epstein saga. Okay, zooming out on

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Speaker 3: domestic affairs, Trump is once again pulling the United States

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Speaker 3: out of UNESCO, that's the UN's Cultural and Education agency.

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Speaker 3: Now it's not the first time he's done this, pulling

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Speaker 2: The withdrawal is due to take.

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Speaker 3: A at the end of next year and has drawn

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Speaker 3: deep regret from UNESCO and key US allies, while some

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Speaker 2: Praised the decision.

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Speaker 3: Turning our focus back to home affairs. You've probably heard

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Speaker 3: about the end of late night TV as we know it.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert's Late Show.

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Speaker 3: Is being canceled after more than a decade at the

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Speaker 3: top of its game. If you're wondering where Trump fits

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Speaker 4: Trump posted, I absolutely love that Colbert got fired. His

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Speaker 2: How dare you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Would an untalented man be able to compose the following

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Speaker 2: So yes.

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Speaker 3: Lines have been drawn between Trump and the show cancelation,

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Speaker 3: but also between CBS AKA the net work that The

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Speaker 3: Corbert Show calls home. They've been chasing an eight billion

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Speaker 3: night in chaos and fans up in arms, and finally, at.

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Speaker 2: Least for now, Rupert Murdoch.

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Speaker 3: Following the Epstein files coverage in the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 3: against Murdoch and his media companies, accusing them of malicious

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Speaker 3: intent and defamatory lies. Trump claims the journal's reports about

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Speaker 3: he's warned Murdock about directly before going public with the suit.

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Speaker 3: At this stage, Murdock's team has not commented. As always,

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Speaker 3: our US correspondent Emelia Lester is here to make.

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Speaker 2: Headway of it all, Amelia.

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Speaker 3: In short, we have seen scandals, lawsuits, and television exits

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Speaker 3: Let's start with this one, though. Why is Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: With Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: Epstein's fate has been intertwined with Trump's political fate since

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Speaker 4: the very beginning. Trump came up at a time when

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Speaker 4: the Republican Party was gripped by the Q and non

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Speaker 4: conspiracy theory, which basically says that there's a giant child

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Speaker 4: in twenty fifteen, he mentioned that former President Bill Clinton

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Speaker 4: his base really seized in the idea that when Trump

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Speaker 3: So why is he sort winding back isn't even the

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Speaker 3: right word though, right, because he's actually lashed out at

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Speaker 4: We know a lot about their relationship. They met in

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety in Palm Beach, Florida. They were both very showy,

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Speaker 4: two thousand and four because they were both competing to

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Speaker 4: area and Trump went out. But nonetheless, we have a

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Speaker 4: lot of information about how they partied together and how

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Speaker 4: we've been reminded of some of that reporting. For instance,

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Speaker 4: there's one woman who says that Epstein brought her to

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Speaker 4: the early two thousands and he groped her like an octopus.

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Speaker 4: We also had another reminder that people have known about

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Speaker 4: this relationship for a long time, in that Maria Farmer,

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Speaker 4: accusing Epstein and whose name is out there, actually told

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Speaker 4: the FBI about Epstein and Trump's close relationship back in

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Speaker 4: the nineties, in nineteen ninety three when the FBI first

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Speaker 4: maybe doesn't want more information to come out about this stuff.

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Speaker 4: We already know a ton about their friendship.

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Speaker 2: The other name that we.

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Speaker 3: Haven't mentioned yet is Glaide Maxwell, who is currently serving

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Speaker 3: a twenty year prison sentence for her role in facilitating

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Speaker 3: Epstein's sex trafficking operation. It was news this week that

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Speaker 3: she is going to be subpointed by the US Congress

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Speaker 3: to testify essentially about what she knows in relation to

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Speaker 2: Could that be bad for Trump?

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Speaker 4: No, I think that this is a calculated move on

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Speaker 4: So this is interesting. A late show is an American institution.

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Speaker 3: On Truth Social as well. Trump took aim at many

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