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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded.

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Speaker 3: On from Mama Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily

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Speaker 3: pop culture fix.

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Speaker 2: I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 3: Happy Monday.

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Speaker 2: Happy Monday to you.

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Speaker 3: You weren't in the state this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was in Queensland visiting my family. But most

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Speaker 1: importantly a little teas for Friday's episode of for Weekend

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Speaker 1: Watch is that I watched all the screeners of Emily

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Speaker 1: in Paris at Netflix for new season that Netflix have

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Speaker 1: made available because my sister and I usually watch it

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Speaker 1: together at Christmas, and obviously it didn't come out at

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Speaker 1: Christmas this year because of the writer's strike, so the

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Speaker 1: Brodnick family canceled Christmas and we had it this weekend

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Speaker 1: to celebrate with Emily in Paris.

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Speaker 3: Called Netflix and we're like, hey, I need these screeners.

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Speaker 1: I was like, get it to me Christmas in July.

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Speaker 1: So my full unfiltered thoughts, I have so many. I'm

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Speaker 1: just letting you know ahead of our Friday episode, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to need extra time to talk about Emily in Paris.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I also need extra time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's just an extra long weekend watch on Friday.

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Speaker 3: On the show today, we have a telling update from

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Speaker 3: the j Lo and Ben Affleck divorce roomors. Rumors have

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Speaker 3: been going on for a while, and I think we

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Speaker 1: First But first, so big rumor got a lot of

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Speaker 1: traction over the last couple of days that Kim Katrell

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Speaker 1: was coming back for in just like that season three.

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't get too excited.

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Speaker 1: When I saw these headlines everywhere and I saw people

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Speaker 1: my head into my own bedroom door because I feel

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Speaker 1: like we go through this every year this show comes back.

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Speaker 1: But then a lot of reputable places did start running it,

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Speaker 1: and people started talking about like maybe it was true.

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Speaker 1: And obviously her little like highly constructed cameoon the last

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Speaker 1: and people getting excited, and then Kim Katrell said, oh,

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Speaker 1: ross Katz, who's an amazing pop culture journalist and podcaster

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Speaker 1: and author who did a little Semi on his Instagram

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Speaker 1: page about how it had kind of really taken off

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Speaker 1: and different places were jumping in on it. And what

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Speaker 1: I thought was interesting about this was not so much

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Speaker 1: room is always going to be there until like the

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Speaker 1: end of time, the end of our days. More so

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Speaker 1: how these kind of pop culture rumors can just one

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Speaker 1: person complaint the seed by putting one little comment on

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Speaker 3: Especially when it starts getting like journalists and things as well,

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Speaker 3: because that makes it more official. But they're all just

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Speaker 3: with the Taylor Swift stuff because I'm still like my

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Speaker 3: TikTok is just full of her concerts, like I memorize

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Speaker 3: the whole concept, haven't even seen it. And because as

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Speaker 3: we know, she's re releasing her old music, Reputation is

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Speaker 3: one of the albums that people think she's re releasing.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're a brave woman to be guessing Taylor's stuff

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Speaker 3: I don't mind, you know what, it's probably my time

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Speaker 3: a lot of rumors that she's re releasing reputation. Those

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Speaker 1: This is the same thing with people coming up to

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Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna happen? And even like

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Speaker 2: And Joe exactly.

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Speaker 1: So what we're saying people is just like we all

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Speaker 1: Amelia de Moldenberg better known as the host and creator

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Speaker 1: It's escalated to her hosting Red Carpets and met Gala

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Speaker 1: this really interesting moment with them. This week, she put

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Speaker 1: What I thought about this is that someone who there's

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Speaker 1: And also just the discipline she has on knowing what's

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Speaker 2: Bye bye

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Speaker 1: La