1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,294 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,974 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,454 --> 00:00:24,694 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mamma MIA's twice daily 5 00:00:24,734 --> 00:00:29,934 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Last week, Mamma Mia did something different. 6 00:00:30,734 --> 00:00:34,734 Speaker 2: We introduced a brand new audio series called Butter and 7 00:00:34,774 --> 00:00:37,894 Speaker 2: before we go any further, considered this a content warning 8 00:00:38,214 --> 00:00:42,054 Speaker 2: of the most sensual nature. It turns out a woman's 9 00:00:42,054 --> 00:00:45,974 Speaker 2: biggest erogena zone, is well her imagination. So with the 10 00:00:46,014 --> 00:00:48,734 Speaker 2: help of some very talented people, we've tapped into some 11 00:00:48,774 --> 00:00:51,774 Speaker 2: of your fantasies in the first four episodes of our 12 00:00:51,814 --> 00:00:53,014 Speaker 2: new sexy series. 13 00:00:53,334 --> 00:00:57,254 Speaker 3: I'd like a red wine, please, I tell him something 14 00:00:58,374 --> 00:01:02,134 Speaker 3: I don't know. Bold feels like a good fit for 15 00:01:02,174 --> 00:01:05,654 Speaker 3: the evening. He flashes me a gentle smile and gives 16 00:01:05,694 --> 00:01:08,974 Speaker 3: me a wink, his fingers brushing mine as he hands 17 00:01:09,014 --> 00:01:09,374 Speaker 3: me the glar. 18 00:01:10,054 --> 00:01:12,694 Speaker 2: But it's not just Mamma Mia. Across the world, more 19 00:01:12,734 --> 00:01:15,534 Speaker 2: and more women are turning to written and audio forms 20 00:01:15,534 --> 00:01:18,574 Speaker 2: of erotica to get their rocks off. So today we 21 00:01:18,694 --> 00:01:22,254 Speaker 2: investigate just why women are so turned on by words. 22 00:01:22,574 --> 00:01:25,174 Speaker 2: Before we slip between the pages. Here's Claire Murphy with 23 00:01:25,214 --> 00:01:27,734 Speaker 2: your news headlines for Tuesday, February eighteen. 24 00:01:28,214 --> 00:01:30,734 Speaker 1: Facing a spate of anti Semitic crimes, the New South 25 00:01:30,734 --> 00:01:33,254 Speaker 1: Wales government has made it clear that racism will not 26 00:01:33,294 --> 00:01:36,534 Speaker 1: be tolerated and those who are caught saying or spraying 27 00:01:36,654 --> 00:01:40,054 Speaker 1: racist remarks publicly will face the full force of the law. 28 00:01:40,374 --> 00:01:43,894 Speaker 1: The Men's government is introducing a racial hatred incitement offense 29 00:01:43,934 --> 00:01:46,934 Speaker 1: to the Crime's Amendment in Parliament today, which could see 30 00:01:46,934 --> 00:01:50,254 Speaker 1: those making public racist remarks find up to eleven thousand 31 00:01:50,294 --> 00:01:53,934 Speaker 1: dollars will spend two years behind bars, with corporations doing 32 00:01:53,974 --> 00:01:57,574 Speaker 1: the same find fifty five thousand dollars. Attorney General Michael 33 00:01:57,654 --> 00:02:00,174 Speaker 1: Daily says it's important for members of the community to 34 00:02:00,214 --> 00:02:02,854 Speaker 1: be protected from conduct that causes them to fear for 35 00:02:02,934 --> 00:02:06,774 Speaker 1: their safety or to face harassment, intimidation or violence. The 36 00:02:06,814 --> 00:02:09,374 Speaker 1: bill will make it a crime to intentionally and publicly 37 00:02:09,694 --> 00:02:12,894 Speaker 1: cite hatred towards another person or group of people on 38 00:02:12,974 --> 00:02:16,094 Speaker 1: the grounds of race. The government saying freedom of political 39 00:02:16,134 --> 00:02:19,494 Speaker 1: speech will remain protected and makes an exception for directly 40 00:02:19,534 --> 00:02:25,374 Speaker 1: referencing religious texts during religious teachings. Ossie supermarkets, manufacturers and 41 00:02:25,454 --> 00:02:28,974 Speaker 1: caterers have managed to reduce food waste by thirteen percent 42 00:02:29,014 --> 00:02:31,414 Speaker 1: in the past three years, according to the End Food 43 00:02:31,414 --> 00:02:34,774 Speaker 1: Waste Australia Report. The twenty one page report found that 44 00:02:34,814 --> 00:02:37,934 Speaker 1: an estimated five hundred and five thousand tons of carbon 45 00:02:37,974 --> 00:02:42,134 Speaker 1: dioxide equivalent emissions were avoided and around sixteen thousand tons 46 00:02:42,174 --> 00:02:45,254 Speaker 1: of food saved between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four. 47 00:02:45,614 --> 00:02:49,214 Speaker 1: The environmental benefits go beyond emissions, with food waste reduction 48 00:02:49,374 --> 00:02:53,654 Speaker 1: also saving resources like water and arable land. Surplus food 49 00:02:53,654 --> 00:02:56,254 Speaker 1: has also gone towards feeding those in need, with more 50 00:02:56,254 --> 00:02:58,894 Speaker 1: than two hundred and fifty million meals donated to food 51 00:02:58,934 --> 00:03:03,534 Speaker 1: rescue organizations. Senior Russian and US officials will hold talks 52 00:03:03,574 --> 00:03:06,654 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia to discuss ending the war in Ukraine. 53 00:03:06,814 --> 00:03:09,334 Speaker 1: The meeting is seen as another step in reversing US 54 00:03:09,414 --> 00:03:12,494 Speaker 1: UN policy on isolating Russia and pave the way for 55 00:03:12,534 --> 00:03:15,814 Speaker 1: a meeting between US President Donald Trump and Russian President 56 00:03:15,894 --> 00:03:19,094 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. Ukrainian officials have been trying to get a 57 00:03:19,134 --> 00:03:22,494 Speaker 1: seat at the table in these discussions, with concerns Washington 58 00:03:22,494 --> 00:03:25,374 Speaker 1: and Moscow could press ahead with the peace agreement that's 59 00:03:25,414 --> 00:03:28,734 Speaker 1: not favorable to them. France called an emergency meeting of 60 00:03:28,774 --> 00:03:32,934 Speaker 1: EU countries to decide how to respond. State Department spokesperson 61 00:03:33,014 --> 00:03:35,974 Speaker 1: Tammy Bruce says this meeting is only to determine how 62 00:03:36,054 --> 00:03:39,534 Speaker 1: serious the Russians are about wanting peace and whether detailed 63 00:03:39,534 --> 00:03:43,494 Speaker 1: negotiations can even begin. Actress Julianne Moore has taken to 64 00:03:43,534 --> 00:03:46,254 Speaker 1: social media to express her shock that her children's book 65 00:03:46,254 --> 00:03:49,134 Speaker 1: has been banned by the Trump administration from schools run 66 00:03:49,174 --> 00:03:51,974 Speaker 1: by the Department of Defense. The book she wrote twenty 67 00:03:52,054 --> 00:03:55,014 Speaker 1: years ago, called Freckle Face Strawberry, is about a young 68 00:03:55,054 --> 00:03:57,574 Speaker 1: girl who dislikes her freckles, but learns to live with 69 00:03:57,614 --> 00:04:01,214 Speaker 1: them when she realizes everyone else has differences too. Moore 70 00:04:01,254 --> 00:04:03,574 Speaker 1: says it's even more shocking for her seeing that the 71 00:04:03,694 --> 00:04:07,854 Speaker 1: semi autobiographical story was written based on her own experience 72 00:04:07,894 --> 00:04:10,734 Speaker 1: of attending a DoD school in Germany, and that her 73 00:04:10,734 --> 00:04:13,574 Speaker 1: father was a Vietnam War veteran and spent his career 74 00:04:13,614 --> 00:04:16,454 Speaker 1: in the Army. Moore says it's galling that kids growing 75 00:04:16,534 --> 00:04:18,454 Speaker 1: up like she did, with a parent in the service 76 00:04:18,534 --> 00:04:21,054 Speaker 1: and attending a Department of Defense school will not have 77 00:04:21,174 --> 00:04:23,974 Speaker 1: access to a book written by someone whose life experience 78 00:04:24,014 --> 00:04:26,374 Speaker 1: is so similar to their own, and she doesn't even 79 00:04:26,494 --> 00:04:28,174 Speaker 1: understand why it was banned at all. 80 00:04:28,694 --> 00:04:31,054 Speaker 2: That's what's happening in the world today, next to a 81 00:04:31,174 --> 00:04:39,014 Speaker 2: talking sexy stories. Remember when reading something spicy on public 82 00:04:39,054 --> 00:04:40,814 Speaker 2: transport meant tiding the cover. 83 00:04:40,694 --> 00:04:41,334 Speaker 4: Of your book. 84 00:04:41,654 --> 00:04:45,414 Speaker 2: Well, those days are long gone. According to our research 85 00:04:45,494 --> 00:04:48,934 Speaker 2: at Mamma Mia, women aren't just embracing their sexuality, they're 86 00:04:48,974 --> 00:04:51,694 Speaker 2: celebrating it, and they're doing it through a whole new 87 00:04:51,734 --> 00:04:53,494 Speaker 2: medium audio erotica. 88 00:04:53,734 --> 00:04:56,534 Speaker 3: You know what, don't order room service yet. 89 00:04:57,534 --> 00:04:59,974 Speaker 4: I'm going to give you a call, but when you answer, 90 00:05:01,054 --> 00:05:02,214 Speaker 4: I don't want you to say anything. 91 00:05:03,174 --> 00:05:07,974 Speaker 2: Wait what While the concept of listening to fantasies might 92 00:05:08,014 --> 00:05:12,254 Speaker 2: be relatively new, sexual explicit content isn't. Mills and Boone 93 00:05:12,294 --> 00:05:15,694 Speaker 2: were doing this AE hundred years ago. So yes, even 94 00:05:15,734 --> 00:05:19,014 Speaker 2: women back in nineteen twenty five were getting hot under 95 00:05:19,014 --> 00:05:22,014 Speaker 2: the collar with titles such as A Debt Paid in 96 00:05:22,094 --> 00:05:27,134 Speaker 2: Marriage and the Italian's Ruthless Seduction Bumble. Sex Ologist chantell 97 00:05:27,214 --> 00:05:30,574 Speaker 2: Otten put it perfectly when she spoke to us, We're 98 00:05:30,614 --> 00:05:34,094 Speaker 2: watching women embrace a whole new genre of literature and audio, 99 00:05:34,214 --> 00:05:38,494 Speaker 2: finding sexual empowerment along the way. Research shows that the 100 00:05:38,534 --> 00:05:41,574 Speaker 2: brain is actually the most important organ for sexual pleasure 101 00:05:41,654 --> 00:05:45,854 Speaker 2: for women, especially, imagination is our largest orogenoist zone, which 102 00:05:45,894 --> 00:05:49,374 Speaker 2: explains why audio erotica and spicy books are having such 103 00:05:49,414 --> 00:05:53,294 Speaker 2: a moment. But if you're worried this might impact relationships, 104 00:05:53,534 --> 00:05:56,334 Speaker 2: don't be. A study from the Journal of Sex Research 105 00:05:56,374 --> 00:05:59,614 Speaker 2: found that women who read erotic fiction have seventy four 106 00:05:59,654 --> 00:06:03,574 Speaker 2: percent more sex than non readers and report better quality 107 00:06:03,614 --> 00:06:08,014 Speaker 2: intimate experiences. So our words the new frontier of women's 108 00:06:08,014 --> 00:06:10,814 Speaker 2: sexual pleasure or is it just that more women are 109 00:06:10,854 --> 00:06:15,054 Speaker 2: jumping on the bandwagon. Alex Nicholson is Mumma MEA's senior 110 00:06:15,094 --> 00:06:18,534 Speaker 2: weekend editor. She's also a writer and is the one 111 00:06:18,574 --> 00:06:22,574 Speaker 2: responsible for scripting Butter Alex, can we take a step 112 00:06:22,574 --> 00:06:26,334 Speaker 2: inside your mind for a second. When you're writing audio erotica, 113 00:06:26,374 --> 00:06:29,134 Speaker 2: how do you choose your words or craft a story. 114 00:06:30,254 --> 00:06:33,774 Speaker 2: I think that words are such a great tool to 115 00:06:33,934 --> 00:06:37,454 Speaker 2: ignite our imagination and to kind of get us feeling 116 00:06:37,574 --> 00:06:41,014 Speaker 2: fully into a scene or into a story. 117 00:06:41,254 --> 00:06:43,134 Speaker 5: So for me, when I'm writing, with all that said, 118 00:06:43,454 --> 00:06:46,174 Speaker 5: I'm almost working backwards, so I am usually picturing the 119 00:06:46,214 --> 00:06:48,934 Speaker 5: scene in my mind. Sometimes I'll even like close my 120 00:06:48,934 --> 00:06:51,414 Speaker 5: eyes down and just try to really drop into all 121 00:06:51,454 --> 00:06:54,414 Speaker 5: of the sensations within the scene, So like what am 122 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:57,654 Speaker 5: I hearing, What am I feeling on my body? What 123 00:06:57,694 --> 00:07:00,934 Speaker 5: am I smelling? What am I seeing? And really take 124 00:07:01,054 --> 00:07:05,454 Speaker 5: those sensations and put that into words, if that makes sense. 125 00:07:05,534 --> 00:07:08,454 Speaker 5: So like I choose the words carefully, but that kind 126 00:07:08,454 --> 00:07:12,214 Speaker 5: of almost comes as the second phase of writing. First, 127 00:07:12,254 --> 00:07:14,814 Speaker 5: I'm just kind of trying to recreate the image or 128 00:07:14,854 --> 00:07:17,974 Speaker 5: the scene on the computer screen. I was writing one 129 00:07:18,054 --> 00:07:21,254 Speaker 5: last night actually for the next round, and just kind 130 00:07:21,294 --> 00:07:23,814 Speaker 5: of got really swept up in the moment, not like 131 00:07:24,334 --> 00:07:26,854 Speaker 5: in a sexual way, but like I suddenly realized that 132 00:07:26,894 --> 00:07:29,654 Speaker 5: I was just deep in this scene and the words 133 00:07:29,654 --> 00:07:31,934 Speaker 5: are just kind of pouring out of me. There's something 134 00:07:32,054 --> 00:07:36,214 Speaker 5: kind of sensual in that, not sexual, but sensual in 135 00:07:36,294 --> 00:07:38,294 Speaker 5: the feeling of words just kind of pouring out of 136 00:07:38,294 --> 00:07:39,094 Speaker 5: you onto the page. 137 00:07:39,854 --> 00:07:42,414 Speaker 2: So that's how it comes together. But what impact is 138 00:07:42,414 --> 00:07:45,694 Speaker 2: it having on us as readers and listeners? Lisa Toorney 139 00:07:45,814 --> 00:07:49,974 Speaker 2: is a counselor and sex and relationships therapist. Lisa, why 140 00:07:50,054 --> 00:07:51,734 Speaker 2: are we so attracted to words? 141 00:07:52,494 --> 00:07:55,494 Speaker 4: Well, as we know, our brain is our biggest sex 142 00:07:55,654 --> 00:08:00,374 Speaker 4: organ and for many people, the anticipation and the imagination 143 00:08:00,894 --> 00:08:05,374 Speaker 4: plays a huge role in attraction. Word that might be seductive, romantic, 144 00:08:05,454 --> 00:08:08,734 Speaker 4: or erotic. They can help us get this really vivid 145 00:08:08,774 --> 00:08:13,294 Speaker 4: mental image and build this incredible intensity and desire before 146 00:08:13,294 --> 00:08:16,494 Speaker 4: anything physical even happen, and tears the patient can be 147 00:08:16,814 --> 00:08:21,774 Speaker 4: incredible aphrodisiac and more arousing sometimes than actual physical experiences. 148 00:08:21,854 --> 00:08:25,574 Speaker 4: So words have this incredible ability to get us going 149 00:08:26,134 --> 00:08:26,694 Speaker 4: very early. 150 00:08:26,894 --> 00:08:31,494 Speaker 2: Although things like audio erotica might be relatively new and 151 00:08:31,534 --> 00:08:35,014 Speaker 2: have boomed and popularity recently, women in smutty words have 152 00:08:35,094 --> 00:08:37,174 Speaker 2: kind of gone hand in hand for quite a while though. 153 00:08:37,254 --> 00:08:39,494 Speaker 2: Right earlier in this episode we mentioned the likes of 154 00:08:39,534 --> 00:08:40,454 Speaker 2: Mills and Boone. 155 00:08:40,614 --> 00:08:43,614 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the Bodist Terrors. I think they used to 156 00:08:43,614 --> 00:08:46,254 Speaker 4: call those books right, all the pictures on the front 157 00:08:46,534 --> 00:08:48,414 Speaker 4: and a lot of that too, I think is around 158 00:08:48,894 --> 00:08:52,654 Speaker 4: feeling emotionally safe and desire and is also a major 159 00:08:52,694 --> 00:08:55,214 Speaker 4: turn on for many people. And words had that ability 160 00:08:55,574 --> 00:08:59,974 Speaker 4: to express that affection, admiration and passion and make us 161 00:08:59,974 --> 00:09:02,014 Speaker 4: feel deeply wanted. And I think Mills and Boom were 162 00:09:02,214 --> 00:09:05,254 Speaker 4: great at that work. They like, really, you know, these 163 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:09,574 Speaker 4: real fantasy kind of ideas you could immerse yourself in 164 00:09:09,854 --> 00:09:13,214 Speaker 4: and imagine yourself almost in these sort of same scenario, 165 00:09:13,374 --> 00:09:14,574 Speaker 4: so big attraction in that. 166 00:09:14,814 --> 00:09:16,974 Speaker 2: I want to come back to that in just a moment. 167 00:09:17,014 --> 00:09:19,454 Speaker 2: But before we do, we keep hearing this idea that 168 00:09:19,694 --> 00:09:24,134 Speaker 2: the brain and the imagination are biggerrogenous zones, especially for women. 169 00:09:24,214 --> 00:09:26,494 Speaker 2: Can you explain what the link there is. 170 00:09:27,094 --> 00:09:30,174 Speaker 4: There's a lot of safety that can come I think 171 00:09:30,334 --> 00:09:34,214 Speaker 4: from thinking about things that we may not even want 172 00:09:34,254 --> 00:09:37,774 Speaker 4: to do them right. So there's something about fantasy that 173 00:09:37,854 --> 00:09:42,294 Speaker 4: could feel highly around it. So I might imagine being 174 00:09:42,294 --> 00:09:45,894 Speaker 4: in an orgy, but I may actually physically not want 175 00:09:45,934 --> 00:09:48,574 Speaker 4: to be in there, but the idea of it, I 176 00:09:48,654 --> 00:09:52,454 Speaker 4: can be safe and secure and be highly aroused by 177 00:09:52,494 --> 00:09:55,814 Speaker 4: the idea of it while not even wanting to act 178 00:09:55,854 --> 00:09:57,694 Speaker 4: it out in real life. So I think there's something 179 00:09:57,734 --> 00:10:02,534 Speaker 4: around the fantasy of the possibility that really can turn 180 00:10:02,614 --> 00:10:02,854 Speaker 4: us on. 181 00:10:03,654 --> 00:10:06,094 Speaker 2: I love this idea that you keep coming back to 182 00:10:06,174 --> 00:10:09,854 Speaker 2: with safety and of exploring without having to necess baily 183 00:10:09,974 --> 00:10:12,814 Speaker 2: leave your couch or wherever you might be consuming this 184 00:10:12,934 --> 00:10:16,054 Speaker 2: kind of media from does that idea of centering our 185 00:10:16,094 --> 00:10:18,854 Speaker 2: pleasure in that way? Is it like a departure from 186 00:10:18,894 --> 00:10:22,454 Speaker 2: what we would consider traditional porn, which is usually a 187 00:10:22,534 --> 00:10:25,054 Speaker 2: route that people would take to explore those kind of things. 188 00:10:25,534 --> 00:10:28,894 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, because if we're just hearing words, 189 00:10:28,934 --> 00:10:32,534 Speaker 4: we can then imagine what we're seeing as opposed to porn, 190 00:10:32,574 --> 00:10:34,694 Speaker 4: because the porn's just in front of us and it's like, oh, 191 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:36,254 Speaker 4: I see what that is. 192 00:10:36,774 --> 00:10:37,414 Speaker 2: But if I'm. 193 00:10:37,294 --> 00:10:41,734 Speaker 4: Reading something or I'm hearing something, it's activating all these 194 00:10:41,774 --> 00:10:45,534 Speaker 4: other senses in me. It's my imagination, my vision. I'm 195 00:10:45,574 --> 00:10:48,094 Speaker 4: imagining what it smells like, what I might feel like. 196 00:10:48,654 --> 00:10:52,254 Speaker 4: That's in a way that watching porn isn't activating those senses. 197 00:10:52,334 --> 00:10:56,174 Speaker 4: So I really like that idea is seeing something, but 198 00:10:56,334 --> 00:10:58,734 Speaker 4: oh yeah, it's just kind of not really doing it 199 00:10:58,734 --> 00:11:01,614 Speaker 4: for me. But I can now I'm imagining it, thinking 200 00:11:01,614 --> 00:11:05,214 Speaker 4: about it, seeing myself in that situation, which maybe is 201 00:11:05,254 --> 00:11:08,694 Speaker 4: a little bit harder in porn to imagine me in 202 00:11:08,734 --> 00:11:12,494 Speaker 4: that situation. And if I'm hearing about it, I'm automatically 203 00:11:12,494 --> 00:11:16,054 Speaker 4: imagining myself in that situation with that person. And there's 204 00:11:16,054 --> 00:11:16,534 Speaker 4: the turn on. 205 00:11:17,254 --> 00:11:19,974 Speaker 2: I want to know, do things like smart and audio 206 00:11:20,014 --> 00:11:24,334 Speaker 2: erotica and reading these sort of highly fictionalized or high 207 00:11:24,374 --> 00:11:27,294 Speaker 2: fantasy books do they help improve our sex lives? 208 00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:31,374 Speaker 4: Well, they can, whether that's our sex luvel with ourselves 209 00:11:31,414 --> 00:11:35,014 Speaker 4: because obviously reading some of this stuff might then result 210 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:38,214 Speaker 4: in sexual pleasure for ourselves and masturbation. I'm so turned on. 211 00:11:38,334 --> 00:11:41,414 Speaker 4: I just need to act on this right now. Also, 212 00:11:41,454 --> 00:11:44,774 Speaker 4: you can use that with a partner together, you can 213 00:11:44,854 --> 00:11:49,374 Speaker 4: explore your desires and once you're feeling highly around and 214 00:11:49,974 --> 00:11:52,734 Speaker 4: you can talk to your partner then about exploring some 215 00:11:52,814 --> 00:11:55,174 Speaker 4: of those things in your life. Hey, I've read about 216 00:11:55,174 --> 00:11:56,814 Speaker 4: this thing, and what do you think about trying this 217 00:11:56,974 --> 00:12:00,094 Speaker 4: on the weekend and again building up that anticipation and 218 00:12:00,134 --> 00:12:03,334 Speaker 4: maybe buy to nized outfits and you know so, Yeah, 219 00:12:03,334 --> 00:12:05,414 Speaker 4: I think it can be an absolute game changer for 220 00:12:05,454 --> 00:12:06,614 Speaker 4: our sex lives and inmity. 221 00:12:06,894 --> 00:12:08,934 Speaker 2: And before you go, Lisa, for people who are maybe 222 00:12:08,974 --> 00:12:13,054 Speaker 2: hesitant or just discovering this world or maybe exploring their 223 00:12:13,094 --> 00:12:16,014 Speaker 2: own pleasure for the first time, are things like erotica 224 00:12:16,294 --> 00:12:17,414 Speaker 2: a good easing endpoint? 225 00:12:17,694 --> 00:12:20,334 Speaker 4: I think they are. And the great thing about erotica 226 00:12:20,454 --> 00:12:23,294 Speaker 4: is we can find stuff that really tailors our interest. 227 00:12:23,694 --> 00:12:26,574 Speaker 4: We can also write our own erotica, right, so that 228 00:12:26,574 --> 00:12:28,974 Speaker 4: can be a really fun thing to do, even with 229 00:12:29,014 --> 00:12:31,654 Speaker 4: a partner, to sit down and try to come up 230 00:12:31,654 --> 00:12:35,134 Speaker 4: with your own erotica. Yeah, I think it's fantastic. And 231 00:12:35,454 --> 00:12:38,934 Speaker 4: if you think back on is it an era where 232 00:12:39,174 --> 00:12:42,974 Speaker 4: Fox sex lines were so huge back in the nineties. 233 00:12:43,334 --> 00:12:46,254 Speaker 4: Words have been important for decades, all right, It's never 234 00:12:46,294 --> 00:12:47,174 Speaker 4: going to go out of style. 235 00:12:48,214 --> 00:12:50,294 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 236 00:12:50,374 --> 00:12:52,654 Speaker 2: us today. If you want to check out Butter, there'll 237 00:12:52,694 --> 00:12:55,014 Speaker 2: be a link to do so in our show notes. 238 00:12:55,454 --> 00:12:58,494 Speaker 2: This episode of The Quickie is produced by me and 239 00:12:58,654 --> 00:13:01,254 Speaker 2: Claire Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.