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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylorstrano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. We basically have two countries that have been

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Speaker 2: fighting so long and so hard that they don't.

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Speaker 2: That's US President Donald Trump sharing his very colorful take

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Speaker 2: on the latest from the Iran Israel ceasfire. Plus do

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Speaker 2: you have a dining table? How much dining do.

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Speaker 3: You actually do it?

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Speaker 2: Though, before we get there, he is Clare Murphy with

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Speaker 2: the latest from the Quickie news room for Thursday June twenty.

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Speaker 1: Six, Thanks Taylor. Australian stuck in Iran and Israel after

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Speaker 1: war broke out nearly two weeks ago, have finally been

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Speaker 1: able to leave now that the missiles have stopped amid

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Speaker 1: the US led ceasefire between the two nations. Around one

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Speaker 1: thousand dollarsies have registered with the government for help to

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Speaker 1: an attack on Iran, claiming they needed to hold their

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Speaker 1: The US then entered the conflict, bombing three Uranian nuclear sites.

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Speaker 1: Flights have now resumed and land crossings reopened as Australians

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Speaker 1: looked to return home. With better than expected inflation numbers

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Speaker 1: considering providing Ukraine with more missiles and saying it really

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Speaker 1: his role in helping to negotiate the ceasefire between Irand

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Speaker 1: more difficult than other wars, adding in a press conference

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Speaker 1: Venice ahead of three days of lavish parties to celebrate

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Speaker 1: the guests from activists who threatened to derail the billionaire's nuptials,

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Speaker 2: Next, the latest on the Iran Israel seas fire. Right now,

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Speaker 2: the world's eyes are on the Middle East, as the

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Speaker 2: Trump came after twelve days of intense missile exchanges, with

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Speaker 2: Amelia Lester. Amelia, I want to start before we get

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Speaker 3: So we now know that they.

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Speaker 2: Have been involved. They did some strikes on the nuclear

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't look like the start of World War three.

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Speaker 2: I just want to quickly loop back to the strikes

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Speaker 3: Look on this, I'm actually going to do something I

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Speaker 3: I think that this mission had to be executed fairly

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Speaker 3: it's it's pretty interesting that he did not meet with

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Speaker 3: Now he was so angry, wasn't he. I think we've

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Speaker 2: Emelia. This is happening in what we could consider a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question. Trump was speaking to

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Speaker 3: what I'd say about this ceasefire agreement is that Trump

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Speaker 3: has really just kicked the can down the road. This

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Speaker 3: is a ceasefire which came after a twelve day war,

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Speaker 3: rather than, for instance, in the case of the Russia's

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Speaker 3: to come to such a definitive conclusion is because Israel's

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Speaker 3: strikes that then culminated in the US strikes. Those Israeli

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Speaker 3: of Iran's top military brass, They destroyed Iran's air defenses.

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Speaker 3: The attacks did kill six hundred Iranians, including children, but overall,

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Speaker 3: strategically it was a victory for Israel. And Iran generally

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Speaker 3: and because Israel had been so laser focused and ultimately

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Speaker 3: successful in its attacks, I think it was just easier

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Speaker 3: to sort of call quits after that twelve day war

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Speaker 2: What's on your dining table right now? Has it become

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Speaker 2: the spiritual dumping ground of your household, piled high with

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Speaker 2: maybe the arts and craft your child brought home from

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Speaker 2: daycare for the fourth time this week. Maybe you don't

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Speaker 2: have a dining table at all and have resigned yourself

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Speaker 2: to the fact that dinner time meals are to be

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Speaker 2: eaten solely and squarely on the couch. If any of

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Speaker 2: that sounds familiar, you are definitely not alone. For a

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Speaker 2: lot of us, the dinner table is more likely to

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Speaker 2: be covered in clutter than a perfectly plated roast. Like

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Speaker 2: a lot of millennials and gen zs, I grew up

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Speaker 2: did our deputy editor Stacy Hicks. As she's detailed over

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Speaker 2: on the Mumma Mere website. Dinner was a family nightly

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Speaker 2: affair with rules of course, no screens, no elbows, and

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Speaker 2: you had to excuse yourself when you were finished. In

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Speaker 2: we'd also have to finish our drink, which would usually

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Speaker 2: that out loud, I'm wondering if that's where my complicated

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Speaker 3: I digress.

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Speaker 2: Today, the family dinners are still seen as a cornerstone

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Speaker 2: of good parenting, with experts touting the benefits for nutrition, socialization,

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Speaker 2: and even academic performance, but the reality is for most families,

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Speaker 2: sitting down together every night is a pipe dream. A

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two survey found that while seventy six percent

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Speaker 2: of baby boomers grew up eating meals with their families

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Speaker 2: every day, only forty six percent of millennials and just

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Speaker 2: thirty eight percent of gen Z's report the same. But

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Speaker 2: it's not like parents don't want to. Sixty two percent

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Speaker 2: said they'd like more family meals, but between juggling work,

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Speaker 2: It is easier said than done. Then there are the screens.

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Speaker 2: Homes that once featured a dining table as the centerpiece

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Speaker 2: Plus the realities of modern living, More families are raising

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Speaker 2: since twenty eleven. For many, the dining table is also

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Speaker 2: So is all hope lost if you're not sitting together

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Speaker 2: as a family every night? Not at all. Parent educated

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Speaker 2: Jen Muert says the village has changed, and so too

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Speaker 2: have our routines. Millennial parents actually spend more time playing with,

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Speaker 2: more so than parents did in the seventies. Gen suggests

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Speaker 2: finding little moments of connection wherever you can, whether it's

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Speaker 2: buffalo can make those moments feel special even if they're rare.

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Speaker 2: So if your dining table is more of a storage

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Speaker 2: unit than a place of family bonding, don't stress. The

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Speaker 2: important thing is finding ways to connect whenever and wherever

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Speaker 2: you can. Thanks for taking some time to feed your

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