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Speaker 1: this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick

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Speaker 1: and I met Van. Do you want to tell people

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Speaker 2: Okay, Spillers. Before we start each episode, to sync up

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Speaker 1: So if em disappears midway through the episode, you just

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Speaker 2: It's just put me in a mood.

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Speaker 1: There's such a drama, queen.

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Speaker 2: I was so excited for this episode, and we should be.

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Speaker 1: Excited because wa should we bring it back around and

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Speaker 1: ignore your pain and suffering. You should be excited because

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Speaker 1: we have been waiting months and months and months years.

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Speaker 1: If you go from season one you do this episode,

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Speaker 1: because this is our brutally honest review of the Summer

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Speaker 1: I Turn Pretty Season three, The final episode, the final

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Speaker 1: countdown to the whole song.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, first loves are important, but they're not as important

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Speaker 1: I saw you.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been in love once? I don't want

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Speaker 1: What was hall?

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Speaker 2: I loved him in a way that you can only

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah is my future. This is the way it's supposed

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Speaker 2: to be. He's the one last Ah, the Summer I

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Speaker 2: Turned Pretty? What a title? Firstly, really remember the Summer

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Speaker 2: I know the Summer I Turned Pretty?

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Speaker 1: Oh? What was the catalyst for that?

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Speaker 1: Yeap and a hot age? It should be hot age,

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Speaker 2: And I think that was just like where I was like,

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Speaker 1: I just would never turn pretty in summer. Like that's

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Speaker 1: The Summer I Turn Pretty based on Jenni Hahn's best

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Speaker 1: I'm also he's also ruled by his emotions. For someone

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Quinton Bronson on the Emmy's Red Carpet

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Speaker 2: My ideal ocean would be the full ocean with just

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, God, that's such a good statement.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I kind of thought. You're right about

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Speaker 2: Yeah? She loves she loves having her like female characters

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's in her heart Jenny Hart, and

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Speaker 1: trope and a classic old school Hollywood of the clumsy fall. Yeah. Again,

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Speaker 2: than the previous two seasons, and her just being that

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00:19:55,904 --> 00:20:00,624
Speaker 2: like adult in that group of friends was just so important,

432
00:20:01,144 --> 00:20:04,504
Speaker 2: Like her having to be Belly's mom when Bellie's mom

433
00:20:04,624 --> 00:20:06,504
Speaker 2: wasn't there for the wedding, her having to be her

434
00:20:06,584 --> 00:20:09,584
Speaker 2: mom's mom to like look after her finances, her having

435
00:20:09,624 --> 00:20:11,744
Speaker 2: to be so in tune with her emotions to know

436
00:20:12,304 --> 00:20:14,264
Speaker 2: when she can be with Stephen and when she can't,

437
00:20:14,384 --> 00:20:16,824
Speaker 2: Like it was such a mature character to play, and

438
00:20:16,944 --> 00:20:19,184
Speaker 2: I think she was able to be that kid in

439
00:20:19,224 --> 00:20:21,144
Speaker 2: season one and two and was able to then just

440
00:20:21,224 --> 00:20:23,224
Speaker 2: transition into being an adult and season three, and I

441
00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:24,304
Speaker 2: think that was done really well.

442
00:20:24,544 --> 00:20:27,104
Speaker 1: Yeah. Agree. I think sometimes with Belly and Taylor, like

443
00:20:27,184 --> 00:20:30,144
Speaker 1: Belly sometimes suffers from like a classic main girl syndrome

444
00:20:30,464 --> 00:20:33,704
Speaker 1: where she's a bit of an audience insert so like

445
00:20:33,744 --> 00:20:35,744
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be able to insert yourself into her

446
00:20:35,864 --> 00:20:39,144
Speaker 1: world and you're almost picture yourself being her so that

447
00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:41,864
Speaker 1: things happen to those characters that don't make things happen,

448
00:20:42,304 --> 00:20:45,224
Speaker 1: whereas the side character is there to bring the storyline,

449
00:20:45,264 --> 00:20:48,424
Speaker 1: the drama, so they often become the more interesting one,

450
00:20:48,544 --> 00:20:50,504
Speaker 1: the one who gets to have the bigger storylines and

451
00:20:50,544 --> 00:20:52,704
Speaker 1: the one who grows the most. And we see that

452
00:20:52,824 --> 00:20:54,784
Speaker 1: like in the OC with Summer Marissa. We've seen in

453
00:20:54,864 --> 00:20:57,264
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill with Peyton and Brook, Like, there's so

454
00:20:57,384 --> 00:21:00,264
Speaker 1: many times like that where sometimes the main girl has

455
00:21:00,344 --> 00:21:02,384
Speaker 1: to become a bit of the damsel on distress and

456
00:21:02,504 --> 00:21:05,864
Speaker 1: gossip girl. Yeah, and gossip girl exactly like Blair over

457
00:21:05,984 --> 00:21:08,784
Speaker 1: Serena becomes the more interesting character. It's because they get

458
00:21:08,824 --> 00:21:11,704
Speaker 1: to have an art more so than the main girls.

459
00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,184
Speaker 1: Always just tormented, I wish we had more of Taylor.

460
00:21:14,264 --> 00:21:17,344
Speaker 1: Wish we had like her across more seasons of being

461
00:21:17,784 --> 00:21:19,224
Speaker 1: a mainish character.

462
00:21:19,304 --> 00:21:21,504
Speaker 2: Because this last season. Also, if you just took out

463
00:21:21,504 --> 00:21:24,824
Speaker 2: all the scenes with Connor and Jeremiah just showed their friendship.

464
00:21:25,104 --> 00:21:26,624
Speaker 2: Bellie is not a good friend to Taylor.

465
00:21:27,064 --> 00:21:27,984
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly.

466
00:21:28,104 --> 00:21:30,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I would hate to be her friend. She's chaotic.

467
00:21:31,264 --> 00:21:33,544
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's chaotic, and she kind of does sometimes. Isn't

468
00:21:33,544 --> 00:21:36,024
Speaker 1: there for Taylor. It's the way that Belly's there for her,

469
00:21:36,264 --> 00:21:38,464
Speaker 1: the same way that Taylor is there for Belly. And

470
00:21:38,504 --> 00:21:40,864
Speaker 1: even though she doesn't agree with the whole getting married thing,

471
00:21:41,104 --> 00:21:43,864
Speaker 1: she just after her initial shock at the news, she

472
00:21:44,064 --> 00:21:46,824
Speaker 1: just throws herself into being the world's best made of honor,

473
00:21:46,984 --> 00:21:49,504
Speaker 1: despite the fact that she doesn't think the wedding should

474
00:21:49,504 --> 00:21:51,184
Speaker 1: be happening. And as someone who's also done that in

475
00:21:51,264 --> 00:21:53,464
Speaker 1: real life, that's freaking hard to do to be like,

476
00:21:53,624 --> 00:21:55,344
Speaker 1: let me cheer on this wedding. You should be marrying

477
00:21:55,344 --> 00:21:57,104
Speaker 1: this guy, but let me cheer you on like it's

478
00:21:57,144 --> 00:21:57,664
Speaker 1: a huge thing.

479
00:21:57,904 --> 00:21:59,904
Speaker 2: And even just going to be with her in Paris

480
00:21:59,984 --> 00:22:01,784
Speaker 2: and stuff for New Year'sy for like one night.

481
00:22:01,824 --> 00:22:04,264
Speaker 1: I think she was there for I mean again, Paris

482
00:22:04,584 --> 00:22:04,984
Speaker 1: Paras is.

483
00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:07,664
Speaker 2: Fine, but I mean like she loves her with her

484
00:22:07,664 --> 00:22:10,184
Speaker 2: whole heart, and I think you really saw that through

485
00:22:10,424 --> 00:22:13,304
Speaker 2: this final season, and I was like, this is an

486
00:22:13,504 --> 00:22:14,704
Speaker 2: uneven friendship.

487
00:22:15,824 --> 00:22:17,864
Speaker 1: Do you think moving on to like when they've had

488
00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:19,784
Speaker 1: the whole Like they're getting engaged and they're designed we

489
00:22:19,904 --> 00:22:23,864
Speaker 1: to tell everyone they're going to Susanna's memorial at Cousins Beach.

490
00:22:24,144 --> 00:22:25,984
Speaker 1: That that was the right time to tell the family

491
00:22:25,984 --> 00:22:26,904
Speaker 1: about their engagement.

492
00:22:27,584 --> 00:22:31,144
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. That was insane. And then she held up

493
00:22:31,184 --> 00:22:33,424
Speaker 2: her finger and she's like, look, I'm like, no one

494
00:22:33,464 --> 00:22:36,624
Speaker 2: can see your ring. What are you showing them? Adam

495
00:22:36,744 --> 00:22:40,384
Speaker 2: was so confused. Laurel was so fuming. Yeah, because we

496
00:22:40,424 --> 00:22:43,064
Speaker 2: were already angry at that. So they had the memorial.

497
00:22:43,224 --> 00:22:45,264
Speaker 2: That was fine, But then they had that family dinner

498
00:22:45,304 --> 00:22:47,544
Speaker 2: at that restaurant that Laurel was like, I'm gonna pay for.

499
00:22:48,104 --> 00:22:50,864
Speaker 2: So we were already as an audience angry because Laurel

500
00:22:50,944 --> 00:22:52,984
Speaker 2: just says she's paying, and then Adam orders a surfer

501
00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:54,384
Speaker 2: and the seafood.

502
00:22:54,864 --> 00:22:56,944
Speaker 1: Everyone really thought he was a crazy villain for that,

503
00:22:57,184 --> 00:22:59,864
Speaker 1: But I don't think I was that bad. That was horrible.

504
00:23:00,224 --> 00:23:02,744
Speaker 1: What do you mean if you look at that screenshot

505
00:23:02,744 --> 00:23:04,864
Speaker 1: of the menus that everyone was passing around, like there's

506
00:23:04,944 --> 00:23:07,224
Speaker 1: only like a thirty dollar difference between like what Saint

507
00:23:07,304 --> 00:23:10,424
Speaker 1: Conrad ordered and what Jeremiah ordered, and Laurel said she

508
00:23:10,544 --> 00:23:14,184
Speaker 1: was pain on forced her hand. No, thirty dollars is

509
00:23:14,264 --> 00:23:16,304
Speaker 1: a lot of I know, I'm saying, but once you're

510
00:23:16,304 --> 00:23:18,104
Speaker 1: already paying for like a five hundred dollars dinner, what's

511
00:23:18,144 --> 00:23:22,664
Speaker 1: extra a couple of hundred? Okay, obviously I'm team Laurel

512
00:23:22,744 --> 00:23:24,664
Speaker 1: and the whole show. I can't stress that enough. I'm

513
00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:26,864
Speaker 1: on that woman's side. But I just think that that

514
00:23:27,064 --> 00:23:31,344
Speaker 1: wasn't quite the huge villainous reveal that people thought it was.

515
00:23:31,784 --> 00:23:34,224
Speaker 2: I mean, not gonna lie. Adam is also one of

516
00:23:34,224 --> 00:23:35,024
Speaker 2: my fair characters.

517
00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:36,744
Speaker 1: I actually sometimes quite agree with that.

518
00:23:36,864 --> 00:23:38,104
Speaker 2: I quite agree with that in my life.

519
00:23:38,344 --> 00:23:40,784
Speaker 1: He's like, these children shouldn't be allowed to behave Like, yeah,

520
00:23:40,904 --> 00:23:42,264
Speaker 1: he is a messy bitch.

521
00:23:42,424 --> 00:23:46,024
Speaker 2: The fact that he's holding on to Jeremiah and Belly's

522
00:23:46,064 --> 00:23:51,464
Speaker 2: wedding champagne brings out it every opportunity, even in places

523
00:23:51,504 --> 00:23:53,344
Speaker 2: that don't require champagne at all.

524
00:23:53,664 --> 00:23:55,824
Speaker 1: Him walking over to her mother's grave start in her funeral.

525
00:23:55,904 --> 00:23:58,304
Speaker 1: He's like, champagne from your wedding, but you didn't have.

526
00:23:59,304 --> 00:24:00,624
Speaker 2: I know, I'm not invited to the dinner, but I

527
00:24:00,664 --> 00:24:02,144
Speaker 2: bought champagne from your wedding.

528
00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:04,464
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's so funny with the ring thing,

529
00:24:04,504 --> 00:24:07,184
Speaker 1: because Jenny Hahn just said that she did not expect

530
00:24:07,304 --> 00:24:09,504
Speaker 1: that to blow up the way it did, of him

531
00:24:09,584 --> 00:24:11,344
Speaker 1: having such a time ring and of.

532
00:24:11,424 --> 00:24:14,104
Speaker 2: Him musing the wiring of his glasses to make a ring.

533
00:24:15,544 --> 00:24:17,624
Speaker 1: Hey, that ring has a little diamond in it. The

534
00:24:17,744 --> 00:24:19,944
Speaker 1: one he gets it couldn't see it. It's pretty small.

535
00:24:19,984 --> 00:24:21,464
Speaker 1: If you get right in there, you can see it.

536
00:24:21,744 --> 00:24:23,904
Speaker 1: But I think that it's fair what Jenny harm was saying.

537
00:24:23,944 --> 00:24:25,584
Speaker 1: She's like, if he had a big ring, everyone be like,

538
00:24:25,624 --> 00:24:27,144
Speaker 1: where did he get the money? Fat? He doesn't have

539
00:24:27,224 --> 00:24:30,504
Speaker 1: the money. Fair if a college student who yes, comes

540
00:24:30,504 --> 00:24:32,784
Speaker 1: from a very rich family. But he's as we found it, lady.

541
00:24:32,784 --> 00:24:36,904
Speaker 1: He's also maxed out some credit cards even the ring,

542
00:24:36,984 --> 00:24:40,384
Speaker 1: though he definitely didn't he makes down all those looxie

543
00:24:40,384 --> 00:24:41,704
Speaker 1: pools out over the season, but.

544
00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:45,104
Speaker 2: Then also him getting the tiniest, tiniest ring and then

545
00:24:45,184 --> 00:24:46,624
Speaker 2: going let's go apartment shopping.

546
00:24:47,144 --> 00:24:48,704
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's because they were homeless.

547
00:24:49,144 --> 00:24:51,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they weren't really like they were in Adam's house.

548
00:24:51,864 --> 00:24:52,744
Speaker 2: She's just messy.

549
00:24:53,184 --> 00:24:54,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think about that? That's when a

550
00:24:54,864 --> 00:24:57,504
Speaker 1: lot of people weirdly started to turn on Belly because they're.

551
00:24:57,384 --> 00:25:01,104
Speaker 2: Like, no, I turned on her from the beginning, the beginning.

552
00:25:01,944 --> 00:25:02,984
Speaker 1: You would never teen Belly.

553
00:25:03,024 --> 00:25:03,984
Speaker 2: I've never teen Belly.

554
00:25:04,104 --> 00:25:06,544
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, don't even know the thing is about Bell?

555
00:25:06,624 --> 00:25:07,904
Speaker 1: You don't want a bad friend.

556
00:25:08,664 --> 00:25:10,184
Speaker 2: She doesn't know how to date people.

557
00:25:10,624 --> 00:25:12,864
Speaker 1: No siblings. She doesn't know how to date people who

558
00:25:12,904 --> 00:25:13,584
Speaker 1: want the Fisher Boys.

559
00:25:13,624 --> 00:25:16,424
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter they people know siblings. She's so mean

560
00:25:16,544 --> 00:25:17,144
Speaker 2: to her mum.

561
00:25:17,704 --> 00:25:19,144
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't know how to clean her hair.

562
00:25:19,264 --> 00:25:21,864
Speaker 2: I don't think she knows her dad's name. I don't.

563
00:25:22,824 --> 00:25:26,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, what is that man's name? Yeah? What? I'm

564
00:25:26,264 --> 00:25:27,624
Speaker 1: not wasting my brain space on that.

565
00:25:27,744 --> 00:25:30,024
Speaker 2: I'm not sorry guy much. We're not even gonna look

566
00:25:30,064 --> 00:25:30,344
Speaker 2: it up.

567
00:25:30,784 --> 00:25:32,304
Speaker 1: No, I you know, well, I can't put if I

568
00:25:32,344 --> 00:25:34,264
Speaker 1: put that into my head, and another important fact's gonna

569
00:25:34,304 --> 00:25:34,624
Speaker 1: fall out.

570
00:25:35,304 --> 00:25:41,464
Speaker 2: That also what happened to Skuy who do you remember sky?

571
00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:42,264
Speaker 2: In season two?

572
00:25:42,704 --> 00:25:44,064
Speaker 1: Again, that was not in the books, And there's a

573
00:25:44,104 --> 00:25:45,784
Speaker 1: reason why, because that was boring as hell.

574
00:25:45,984 --> 00:25:47,944
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think that was them trying to see

575
00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:50,304
Speaker 2: there will be a spin off show and cousins maybe,

576
00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:51,144
Speaker 2: and then they didn't.

577
00:25:51,344 --> 00:25:51,384
Speaker 1: No.

578
00:25:51,664 --> 00:25:53,664
Speaker 2: I just think when they did that thing for strangers, think.

579
00:25:53,544 --> 00:25:56,384
Speaker 1: They needed a bigger storyline in Villain in season two

580
00:25:56,384 --> 00:25:58,384
Speaker 1: because in the book it's Adam trying to sell the house,

581
00:25:58,704 --> 00:26:00,864
Speaker 1: and I think that they needed to kind of flesh

582
00:26:00,864 --> 00:26:05,224
Speaker 1: out a bit more. So they introduced Poorkysedgewick didn't know

583
00:26:05,304 --> 00:26:07,384
Speaker 1: she was going to be the most hated woman on TV.

584
00:26:07,544 --> 00:26:08,864
Speaker 1: Everyone usually loves her.

585
00:26:10,584 --> 00:26:12,984
Speaker 2: Doing the most to lift this on my tent pretty

586
00:26:12,984 --> 00:26:14,224
Speaker 2: season too off the grap.

587
00:26:14,064 --> 00:26:16,264
Speaker 1: Become the World. I mean, that was a terrible season.

588
00:26:16,344 --> 00:26:19,784
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest. But Conrad does reference Aunt Julia

589
00:26:20,024 --> 00:26:22,424
Speaker 1: at one stage just to make the connection, just to

590
00:26:22,464 --> 00:26:24,584
Speaker 1: make the connection, they just say I think they say

591
00:26:24,664 --> 00:26:26,864
Speaker 1: one stage, Oh, Sky and Julia are said they can't

592
00:26:26,904 --> 00:26:28,464
Speaker 1: come to the wedding, and I was like, they were just.

593
00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:29,664
Speaker 2: Not because they didn't have the budget.

594
00:26:29,904 --> 00:26:31,384
Speaker 1: Yeah they're not paying those guests.

595
00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:32,864
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they had to put all that money

596
00:26:32,904 --> 00:26:37,504
Speaker 2: into Jeremiah's ring. Yeah, can't be inviting family to the wedding.

597
00:26:37,744 --> 00:26:40,864
Speaker 1: So we have the engagement announcement, and from then we

598
00:26:41,024 --> 00:26:44,784
Speaker 1: see Belly's estrangement from her family. And again that's the

599
00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:48,384
Speaker 1: point when Jeremiah comes into the house and explains to Laurel,

600
00:26:48,424 --> 00:26:51,384
Speaker 1: brings her flowers and sits her down and tries to

601
00:26:51,464 --> 00:26:54,264
Speaker 1: explain why he wants to marry Belly, and he's very

602
00:26:54,344 --> 00:26:56,944
Speaker 1: calm and adult and very kind about it. I know

603
00:26:57,024 --> 00:26:58,584
Speaker 1: the bar is so low for men, but that's where

604
00:26:58,624 --> 00:27:00,664
Speaker 1: it is. That was the first point where I was like,

605
00:27:00,944 --> 00:27:02,504
Speaker 1: maybe I'm team Jeremiah.

606
00:27:03,024 --> 00:27:08,104
Speaker 2: Right okay, because that whole like blowout with Laurel and Belly,

607
00:27:08,224 --> 00:27:10,384
Speaker 2: it was so intense and that kind of all so

608
00:27:10,544 --> 00:27:12,584
Speaker 2: made me a bit like, I'm not sure if this

609
00:27:12,784 --> 00:27:17,224
Speaker 2: is real, like real real me because I'm from an

610
00:27:17,304 --> 00:27:21,104
Speaker 2: Asian household. If I spoke to my mom like that,

611
00:27:21,344 --> 00:27:24,424
Speaker 2: if I was twenty twenty one and I went to

612
00:27:24,544 --> 00:27:27,384
Speaker 2: my mom, she was swearing at her. Mum. Yeah, she

613
00:27:27,544 --> 00:27:29,984
Speaker 2: was like fuck you, and then like left and was

614
00:27:30,024 --> 00:27:32,704
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna go be with this boy. My mom

615
00:27:33,104 --> 00:27:36,064
Speaker 2: would chain me to my bed and keep me there

616
00:27:36,184 --> 00:27:38,864
Speaker 2: till I was forty like that is literally, And then

617
00:27:38,944 --> 00:27:40,464
Speaker 2: when I was looking I was like, this is not

618
00:27:40,584 --> 00:27:41,544
Speaker 2: the Asian household.

619
00:27:41,944 --> 00:27:43,664
Speaker 1: This is not it. It's like interesting.

620
00:27:43,784 --> 00:27:45,424
Speaker 2: I think it was one of those things because the

621
00:27:45,504 --> 00:27:48,224
Speaker 2: show was so so massive and Jenny harn is so

622
00:27:48,464 --> 00:27:51,944
Speaker 2: good at inclusion and using like diverse characters. But I

623
00:27:52,024 --> 00:27:54,144
Speaker 2: think you also have to gamble with what would the

624
00:27:54,224 --> 00:27:57,424
Speaker 2: western I storyline be in this situation, And that was

625
00:27:57,504 --> 00:28:01,064
Speaker 2: a very much westernized mother daughter storyline playing out that

626
00:28:01,264 --> 00:28:04,184
Speaker 2: just wasn't realistic to the Asian culture and like the

627
00:28:04,264 --> 00:28:08,144
Speaker 2: Asian TVs and shows that I've seen, and I thought

628
00:28:08,184 --> 00:28:09,784
Speaker 2: that was a bit of a like, oh, it just

629
00:28:09,824 --> 00:28:11,504
Speaker 2: felt like a way out, like a cheap way to

630
00:28:11,544 --> 00:28:11,944
Speaker 2: have a fight.

631
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:14,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it should have been You think that

632
00:28:14,544 --> 00:28:16,784
Speaker 1: not even Laurel telling her to leave. That doesn't fit either.

633
00:28:16,944 --> 00:28:19,144
Speaker 2: It doesn't fit at all. Like that is not something

634
00:28:19,224 --> 00:28:19,944
Speaker 2: that I would say.

635
00:28:20,064 --> 00:28:23,064
Speaker 1: Those things where sometimes you have to mess things up

636
00:28:23,104 --> 00:28:25,184
Speaker 1: a little bit just get your characters to where they

637
00:28:25,264 --> 00:28:25,744
Speaker 1: needed to be.

638
00:28:26,024 --> 00:28:27,744
Speaker 2: And I also feel like they've already had to Like

639
00:28:27,904 --> 00:28:29,664
Speaker 2: was it season two where she was like camping out

640
00:28:29,664 --> 00:28:30,944
Speaker 2: in the house without telling Laura and they had a

641
00:28:31,024 --> 00:28:33,704
Speaker 2: massive fight and Laurel slaps her. Oh yeah, yeah, Like

642
00:28:33,824 --> 00:28:36,504
Speaker 2: that was a realistic like mother daughter fight to me,

643
00:28:36,704 --> 00:28:38,824
Speaker 2: Like I was like they made it so so real,

644
00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:40,944
Speaker 2: and I felt like they didn't need to do that

645
00:28:41,064 --> 00:28:42,944
Speaker 2: again for season three, Like I just felt like it

646
00:28:42,984 --> 00:28:46,304
Speaker 2: was an unnecessary fight. I think what Laurel's character was

647
00:28:46,384 --> 00:28:49,464
Speaker 2: so good at is like being that mum where she

648
00:28:50,384 --> 00:28:53,504
Speaker 2: loves Jeremiah and loves Conrad but doesn't want to see

649
00:28:53,584 --> 00:28:57,144
Speaker 2: her daughter like waste away in a relationship. And the

650
00:28:57,184 --> 00:29:01,304
Speaker 2: way she even said to her ex husband, yeah, where

651
00:29:01,344 --> 00:29:04,504
Speaker 2: she was like, I don't regret marrying you. I regret

652
00:29:04,664 --> 00:29:07,264
Speaker 2: marrying at such a young age and losing myself in

653
00:29:07,344 --> 00:29:08,344
Speaker 2: a relationship that's.

654
00:29:08,144 --> 00:29:10,104
Speaker 1: Such a young catalyst the whole time for her not

655
00:29:10,584 --> 00:29:13,104
Speaker 1: to Yeah. But also I think there's always something where

656
00:29:13,184 --> 00:29:15,864
Speaker 1: like I think, who Laurel is really angry at but

657
00:29:15,984 --> 00:29:19,024
Speaker 1: she can't be angry because she's dead, is Susanna because

658
00:29:19,344 --> 00:29:23,624
Speaker 1: that's her best friend and soulmate, and she essentially set

659
00:29:23,784 --> 00:29:26,784
Speaker 1: up their children to be together in some way and

660
00:29:26,944 --> 00:29:29,824
Speaker 1: always really pushed that, and I think Laurel was never

661
00:29:29,944 --> 00:29:32,144
Speaker 1: super on board with that. But now it's happened and

662
00:29:32,224 --> 00:29:33,584
Speaker 1: now they're all called to this website.

663
00:29:34,144 --> 00:29:35,944
Speaker 2: It was always Susanna saying stuff like that, but in

664
00:29:36,024 --> 00:29:37,664
Speaker 2: the flashbacks, Laurel never said stuff like.

665
00:29:37,624 --> 00:29:39,024
Speaker 1: That because she's probably like, what do you mean my

666
00:29:39,104 --> 00:29:40,424
Speaker 1: daughter's going to marry one of your sons?

667
00:29:40,584 --> 00:29:43,664
Speaker 2: My daughters ate it like it's crazy, very.

668
00:29:43,544 --> 00:29:46,664
Speaker 1: Creepy arranged marriage vibes creepy and.

669
00:29:46,744 --> 00:29:49,144
Speaker 2: Even the way like in the flashbacks with Susannah where

670
00:29:49,224 --> 00:29:52,104
Speaker 2: like she gives Belly her own room in the cousin's

671
00:29:52,184 --> 00:29:54,984
Speaker 2: beach house and like she's talking to her like as

672
00:29:55,064 --> 00:29:56,904
Speaker 2: if she is her daughter, and Laura just in the

673
00:29:56,984 --> 00:29:59,904
Speaker 2: kitchen cooking. Yeah, like this is really weird vibes.

674
00:30:00,264 --> 00:30:02,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might definitely understand her looking at her as

675
00:30:02,064 --> 00:30:04,144
Speaker 1: a daughter. It's her looking as a daughter who's definitely

676
00:30:04,184 --> 00:30:06,824
Speaker 1: going to marry one of her sons. And again, I

677
00:30:07,104 --> 00:30:09,184
Speaker 1: think the fact they were all raised as siblings is

678
00:30:09,264 --> 00:30:10,224
Speaker 1: never really brought up enough.

679
00:30:10,544 --> 00:30:10,744
Speaker 2: Yeah.

680
00:30:11,104 --> 00:30:13,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then we get into the depths of planning

681
00:30:13,904 --> 00:30:16,864
Speaker 1: the wedding and we see Laurel not want to go

682
00:30:17,024 --> 00:30:17,904
Speaker 1: wedding dress shopping.

683
00:30:18,104 --> 00:30:21,704
Speaker 2: I found that part realistic, as like the mum of

684
00:30:21,864 --> 00:30:25,064
Speaker 2: someone who's really young getting married where where they don't

685
00:30:25,104 --> 00:30:28,864
Speaker 2: want to be involved at all or they're like as

686
00:30:28,944 --> 00:30:30,744
Speaker 2: like I think it's like the last hope, right of

687
00:30:30,824 --> 00:30:33,024
Speaker 2: saying I'm not coming to your wedding as the last hope,

688
00:30:33,144 --> 00:30:35,064
Speaker 2: like she won't have this wedding if I don't come.

689
00:30:35,304 --> 00:30:36,904
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then eventually she has to.

690
00:30:36,944 --> 00:30:39,024
Speaker 1: Give in, knowing that she has to Channelean into it.

691
00:30:39,064 --> 00:30:41,984
Speaker 1: But this is also where we start seeing the seeds

692
00:30:42,064 --> 00:30:45,704
Speaker 1: be laid for people turning more against Jeremiah because he

693
00:30:45,904 --> 00:30:48,464
Speaker 1: becomes a bit of a groomzilla. What is it the

694
00:30:48,584 --> 00:30:54,904
Speaker 1: double tear chocolate cake with raspberry Cooley. Yeah, he's like,

695
00:30:55,224 --> 00:30:56,544
Speaker 1: we have the cake or the weddings off.

696
00:30:56,864 --> 00:30:59,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, that's the one thing I wanted, Ellie.

697
00:30:59,384 --> 00:31:00,904
Speaker 1: And that's so interesting because doesn't a lot of that

698
00:31:01,064 --> 00:31:04,264
Speaker 1: happen in the episode we get from Conrad's perspective.

699
00:31:05,144 --> 00:31:08,104
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he hits his narration.

700
00:31:08,384 --> 00:31:11,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, what have I done? Yeahs interesting. That

701
00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:14,944
Speaker 1: is the first episode that Jenny Hahn directed. Oh and

702
00:31:15,144 --> 00:31:17,904
Speaker 1: the reason she did that is she said that Conrad

703
00:31:18,064 --> 00:31:20,744
Speaker 1: is such an internal character, like we're never really meant

704
00:31:20,784 --> 00:31:22,344
Speaker 1: to know what's going on in his mind.

705
00:31:22,504 --> 00:31:24,144
Speaker 2: He does a lot of like silent actings.

706
00:31:24,224 --> 00:31:25,904
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of silent acting, a lot of I

707
00:31:25,944 --> 00:31:27,264
Speaker 1: don't know if that act is doing it on purpose

708
00:31:27,344 --> 00:31:28,304
Speaker 1: or if he's just dead behind the.

709
00:31:28,304 --> 00:31:29,864
Speaker 2: Ear Yeah, a lot of like looking around.

710
00:31:29,984 --> 00:31:31,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're meant to think that there's a whole

711
00:31:31,984 --> 00:31:33,944
Speaker 1: part of his mind that we never get access to.

712
00:31:34,424 --> 00:31:36,784
Speaker 1: So when it came time to let him have his

713
00:31:36,904 --> 00:31:39,144
Speaker 1: moment of him telling his side of the story, Jenny

714
00:31:39,184 --> 00:31:40,704
Speaker 1: Hahn was like, I'm going to step up and direct

715
00:31:40,744 --> 00:31:43,584
Speaker 1: for the first time because I need to be the

716
00:31:43,664 --> 00:31:46,424
Speaker 1: one to handle this, like essentially, because she created that character,

717
00:31:46,544 --> 00:31:48,784
Speaker 1: she's the only one who could tell his story and

718
00:31:48,904 --> 00:31:51,424
Speaker 1: have his POV. Which led to her directing, which is

719
00:31:51,464 --> 00:31:52,624
Speaker 1: a great episode.

720
00:31:52,264 --> 00:31:55,184
Speaker 2: And that episode was the best episode of the season.

721
00:31:56,224 --> 00:31:58,624
Speaker 2: It's just Belly and Conrad together and he's just helping

722
00:31:58,664 --> 00:32:01,624
Speaker 2: her with like all of the chores and tar she

723
00:32:01,664 --> 00:32:03,744
Speaker 2: has to do to get ready for the wedding because

724
00:32:03,784 --> 00:32:06,304
Speaker 2: Jeremiah is now working for his dad. Yes, And that's

725
00:32:06,304 --> 00:32:06,584
Speaker 2: where we.

726
00:32:06,584 --> 00:32:07,464
Speaker 1: Also get Strikes again.

727
00:32:07,504 --> 00:32:11,704
Speaker 2: Adam strikes again and again introduced to Yeah, and we

728
00:32:11,784 --> 00:32:13,864
Speaker 2: find out that Adam's in a relationship with Kaylee, who

729
00:32:13,944 --> 00:32:16,144
Speaker 2: is a woman he cheated on Susannah with and she's

730
00:32:16,304 --> 00:32:17,864
Speaker 2: much younger than years.

731
00:32:18,144 --> 00:32:19,824
Speaker 1: I actually thought a bit bad for Kaylee because I

732
00:32:19,824 --> 00:32:21,984
Speaker 1: feel like she was just weirdly groomed by her boss.

733
00:32:22,224 --> 00:32:24,424
Speaker 1: When she was so young, when she had an affair

734
00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:26,104
Speaker 1: with Adam, probably not knowing that his wife had.

735
00:32:26,784 --> 00:32:27,944
Speaker 2: This whole wedding unpaid.

736
00:32:28,184 --> 00:32:30,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he's basically like, hey, let's get together.

737
00:32:30,744 --> 00:32:33,064
Speaker 1: I'm not like he was maybe hot ten years ago.

738
00:32:33,344 --> 00:32:35,224
Speaker 1: He's now just a creepy old dude who made her

739
00:32:35,264 --> 00:32:38,944
Speaker 1: plan his son's wedding and then apparently like wasn't like

740
00:32:39,064 --> 00:32:41,184
Speaker 1: nice to her parents. There's some unlying story there, and

741
00:32:41,264 --> 00:32:42,824
Speaker 1: I'm so glad she broke up with him.

742
00:32:42,984 --> 00:32:44,944
Speaker 2: Imagine hooking up with your boss thinking you're going to

743
00:32:44,984 --> 00:32:46,544
Speaker 2: get a promotion, and yet you get a wedding to.

744
00:32:46,624 --> 00:32:48,624
Speaker 1: Me and you had to plan a wedding and you

745
00:32:48,704 --> 00:32:50,744
Speaker 1: walk into that room and the mother of the bride

746
00:32:50,744 --> 00:32:53,144
Speaker 1: and everyone else hates you. And then you have to

747
00:32:53,144 --> 00:32:55,344
Speaker 1: put up with this creepy man child who's only caring

748
00:32:55,344 --> 00:32:57,024
Speaker 1: about how much money he spent on champagne.

749
00:32:57,144 --> 00:32:59,144
Speaker 2: And then after the wedding you go home to like

750
00:32:59,184 --> 00:33:02,104
Speaker 2: your sharehouse with all the girls. Yeah, and then you're like, guys,

751
00:33:02,504 --> 00:33:05,784
Speaker 2: these kids are insane. Yeah, this girl was dating this brother,

752
00:33:05,944 --> 00:33:08,264
Speaker 2: but then she's marrying this brother. But now she told

753
00:33:08,344 --> 00:33:10,344
Speaker 2: that brother that she loves him and she'll always love him,

754
00:33:10,424 --> 00:33:11,904
Speaker 2: and now the whole thing's off. And I put in

755
00:33:11,984 --> 00:33:13,184
Speaker 2: a lot of effort into the water.

756
00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:14,984
Speaker 1: I planned that wedding and they didn't even go. Those

757
00:33:15,104 --> 00:33:18,304
Speaker 1: spoiled brats. Oh my god. The debrief with Kaylie and

758
00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:22,824
Speaker 1: her friends when she got back to her I just

759
00:33:22,904 --> 00:33:24,784
Speaker 1: got a physical pang that I missed that and not

760
00:33:24,864 --> 00:33:25,624
Speaker 1: even real people.

761
00:33:27,424 --> 00:33:30,784
Speaker 2: I want a deep no. And guess what what one

762
00:33:30,824 --> 00:33:32,944
Speaker 2: of her housemaids is, Lady.

763
00:33:34,384 --> 00:33:36,744
Speaker 1: I have to say the same thing. Please, can we

764
00:33:36,824 --> 00:33:39,384
Speaker 1: have a spin off with Kaylee and Lady Bone? We

765
00:33:39,544 --> 00:33:41,904
Speaker 1: need that vengeful.

766
00:33:43,544 --> 00:33:47,064
Speaker 2: The summer we killed two brothers, the summer we murdered

767
00:33:47,064 --> 00:33:49,104
Speaker 2: a family rap.

768
00:33:49,104 --> 00:33:51,344
Speaker 1: The Fisher brothers. Oh my god, that's a story of want.

769
00:33:51,384 --> 00:33:53,744
Speaker 1: Of her pulling her suitcase up a six flight walk

770
00:33:53,784 --> 00:33:55,584
Speaker 1: up to go back to her share apartment and be like,

771
00:33:55,904 --> 00:33:57,224
Speaker 1: dating the old guy was a mistake.

772
00:33:57,584 --> 00:34:00,464
Speaker 2: She has all the wedding champagne, and now the dad

773
00:34:00,544 --> 00:34:01,584
Speaker 2: wants a champagne back.

774
00:34:03,464 --> 00:34:05,984
Speaker 1: Leading into the wedding, we have the rehearsal dinner and

775
00:34:06,224 --> 00:34:09,704
Speaker 1: the wedding rehearsal itself, And that's the moment that everyone

776
00:34:09,904 --> 00:34:12,584
Speaker 1: was screening, shodding and trying to find secret clues because

777
00:34:12,704 --> 00:34:16,024
Speaker 1: it looked like Taylor was potentially getting married.

778
00:34:16,104 --> 00:34:16,304
Speaker 2: Yeah.

779
00:34:16,464 --> 00:34:18,424
Speaker 1: It also people thought it was a flash forward to

780
00:34:18,664 --> 00:34:21,024
Speaker 1: Conrad and Belly's wedding, but I actually quite like the

781
00:34:21,064 --> 00:34:22,664
Speaker 1: way it played out. I mean, again, the whole thing

782
00:34:22,704 --> 00:34:25,264
Speaker 1: about the Summer I Turn pretty season three is we're

783
00:34:25,304 --> 00:34:27,744
Speaker 1: watching a show where we know the ending, essentially, like

784
00:34:27,944 --> 00:34:29,744
Speaker 1: even if you hadn't read the book, you know where

785
00:34:29,784 --> 00:34:32,144
Speaker 1: this is going. So we're just we're not watching it

786
00:34:32,184 --> 00:34:34,344
Speaker 1: to find out what happens. We're watching to find out

787
00:34:34,384 --> 00:34:35,104
Speaker 1: how it happened.

788
00:34:35,224 --> 00:34:40,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the wedding was I think so well done

789
00:34:40,184 --> 00:34:44,864
Speaker 2: because it was so casual, yeah, and like simple, and

790
00:34:44,984 --> 00:34:48,664
Speaker 2: then in the background all of this chaos was happening.

791
00:34:49,104 --> 00:34:51,024
Speaker 2: I think the biggest takeaway from that wedding is how

792
00:34:51,064 --> 00:34:52,624
Speaker 2: everyone hated Taylor's wet hair.

793
00:34:52,704 --> 00:34:56,224
Speaker 1: Look. Yeah, well, I'm so modress.

794
00:34:56,424 --> 00:34:58,544
Speaker 2: In the next episode where I continued her hair wasn't

795
00:34:58,584 --> 00:34:59,064
Speaker 2: a butN.

796
00:34:59,144 --> 00:35:02,944
Speaker 1: Yeah, because someone was like, don't cut the hairs. Everyone's like,

797
00:35:03,024 --> 00:35:05,264
Speaker 1: her mom's a hairdresser, and then her hair looks like

798
00:35:05,384 --> 00:35:06,424
Speaker 1: being a stroga caught in the rate.

799
00:35:06,424 --> 00:35:07,904
Speaker 2: On the other day, I imagine her mom's saying that

800
00:35:08,424 --> 00:35:08,984
Speaker 2: it was a lot.

801
00:35:09,184 --> 00:35:10,904
Speaker 1: It was a lot. So we have the break up scene,

802
00:35:10,984 --> 00:35:13,144
Speaker 1: which is everything I mentioned. It would be not in

803
00:35:13,184 --> 00:35:14,664
Speaker 1: a good way. It kind of feel like it needed

804
00:35:14,704 --> 00:35:17,104
Speaker 1: to happen, But it's still that moment where Jeremiah is

805
00:35:17,184 --> 00:35:19,624
Speaker 1: realizing that even if he does get her down the

806
00:35:19,624 --> 00:35:21,584
Speaker 1: aisle and she was willing to go, that she'd never

807
00:35:21,624 --> 00:35:22,384
Speaker 1: actually love him.

808
00:35:22,624 --> 00:35:26,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we found out about like Christmas and like

809
00:35:26,224 --> 00:35:28,984
Speaker 2: he we found out that he knew about the Christmas thing.

810
00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:31,944
Speaker 2: What I found in that conversation was like what Jeremiah

811
00:35:32,024 --> 00:35:34,384
Speaker 2: was saying to her was actually quite fair. Yeah, Like

812
00:35:34,504 --> 00:35:36,704
Speaker 2: he was like, I can't like do this, like you're

813
00:35:36,704 --> 00:35:39,344
Speaker 2: still in love with my brother, Like I can't do it.

814
00:35:39,784 --> 00:35:41,984
Speaker 2: And even in her in a monologue where she says,

815
00:35:42,064 --> 00:35:44,304
Speaker 2: I know that if I say I still want to

816
00:35:44,344 --> 00:35:45,944
Speaker 2: get married, he will marry me. And I'm like that

817
00:35:46,104 --> 00:35:48,624
Speaker 2: is so true. Yeah, Like you could literally say that

818
00:35:48,744 --> 00:35:51,584
Speaker 2: each like this girl could like tell each brother at

819
00:35:51,624 --> 00:35:53,224
Speaker 2: any time in her life, I want to marry you,

820
00:35:53,264 --> 00:35:54,424
Speaker 2: and they would exactly.

821
00:35:54,664 --> 00:35:57,024
Speaker 1: And to her credit, she does not abuse that power.

822
00:35:57,384 --> 00:35:58,984
Speaker 1: Does that make you like him already still hate her?

823
00:35:59,464 --> 00:36:01,424
Speaker 2: No, I don't hate her like you hate her.

824
00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:03,304
Speaker 1: You just listened to all the reasons before you hated her.

825
00:36:03,544 --> 00:36:04,184
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

826
00:36:07,504 --> 00:36:08,864
Speaker 1: Again, maybe we all see a little bit.

827
00:36:08,864 --> 00:36:10,584
Speaker 2: I would have just lied and been like no, I

828
00:36:10,664 --> 00:36:12,544
Speaker 2: don't like him, or just.

829
00:36:12,584 --> 00:36:16,664
Speaker 1: To get through the weddings expen it's such.

830
00:36:16,544 --> 00:36:18,944
Speaker 2: An expensive wedding. Your mom just got around it. I

831
00:36:19,064 --> 00:36:20,544
Speaker 2: know she's not going to be able to get married

832
00:36:20,584 --> 00:36:22,544
Speaker 2: ever again. Now well she can't.

833
00:36:23,024 --> 00:36:25,104
Speaker 1: That's gonna happen. Wait for the movie. But no, No,

834
00:36:25,304 --> 00:36:27,144
Speaker 1: you can't walk down the aisle towards someone. I know

835
00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:29,064
Speaker 1: people do it every day, but I feel like you

836
00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:31,104
Speaker 1: can't walk down the aisle to marry someone if you're like,

837
00:36:31,224 --> 00:36:33,064
Speaker 1: I don't actually want to marry you. Yes, you care,

838
00:36:33,184 --> 00:36:34,944
Speaker 1: and I think that you shouldn't. History has taught us,

839
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:36,784
Speaker 1: and pop culture and the Kardashians has taught us that

840
00:36:36,784 --> 00:36:38,944
Speaker 1: you shouldn't get you shouldn't do it, but you can.

841
00:36:39,184 --> 00:36:41,344
Speaker 1: You can do it. You can. So what did you

842
00:36:41,384 --> 00:36:43,264
Speaker 1: think of her heading to the airport to Paris.

843
00:36:43,624 --> 00:36:46,504
Speaker 2: I thought that was a good decision.

844
00:36:46,864 --> 00:36:49,144
Speaker 1: I saw like kind of the conversation around it being

845
00:36:49,224 --> 00:36:52,104
Speaker 1: like she's crazy, No one would do that. And I

846
00:36:52,224 --> 00:36:54,304
Speaker 1: actually think in that moment, because in that moment, you're like,

847
00:36:54,624 --> 00:36:56,824
Speaker 1: what can I do to make this like I haven't

848
00:36:56,864 --> 00:36:59,104
Speaker 1: fucked up my life? What can I do? And the

849
00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:01,384
Speaker 1: whole thing about her choosing not to go to Paris

850
00:37:01,784 --> 00:37:04,224
Speaker 1: was such a huge thing, and she was essentially saying

851
00:37:04,384 --> 00:37:07,584
Speaker 1: goodbye to her dreams, her independence, the life she could

852
00:37:07,584 --> 00:37:10,264
Speaker 1: have had, and choosing to marry this boy and live

853
00:37:10,384 --> 00:37:12,424
Speaker 1: in a little shitty apartment because he had bad credit.

854
00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:14,544
Speaker 1: And so it was almost like she had this chance

855
00:37:14,664 --> 00:37:16,784
Speaker 1: to do a make good but time was of the

856
00:37:16,904 --> 00:37:18,464
Speaker 1: essence because she had to get on the plane then.

857
00:37:18,504 --> 00:37:19,944
Speaker 1: So I actually thought it made a lot of sense.

858
00:37:19,984 --> 00:37:23,904
Speaker 2: It's also that thing where you do something so so embarrassing,

859
00:37:24,184 --> 00:37:27,584
Speaker 2: like so humiliating, that you just need to leave the country.

860
00:37:27,704 --> 00:37:29,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wanted to do that so many times.

861
00:37:29,864 --> 00:37:32,224
Speaker 2: She physically did that, Like no one in the world

862
00:37:32,264 --> 00:37:34,504
Speaker 2: has done something more embarrassing than what she did.

863
00:37:34,544 --> 00:37:37,704
Speaker 1: Ahi Emily, So she physically had to leave the country.

864
00:37:37,984 --> 00:37:39,784
Speaker 1: And I know there was also so much talking about

865
00:37:39,824 --> 00:37:41,864
Speaker 1: Conrad being in the airport. They're like, oh, he's taking

866
00:37:41,904 --> 00:37:44,544
Speaker 1: a domestic flight and she was taking international flight. They

867
00:37:44,544 --> 00:37:46,344
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been the same airport, and that, I say,

868
00:37:46,704 --> 00:37:47,544
Speaker 1: let the story happen.

869
00:37:47,704 --> 00:37:50,304
Speaker 2: Also to that, I say, American apples are crazy, Yeah,

870
00:37:50,624 --> 00:37:53,464
Speaker 2: like they're actually insane. That actually is another realm possible,

871
00:37:53,944 --> 00:37:56,664
Speaker 2: It's very much real. So this is the time I've

872
00:37:56,704 --> 00:37:58,984
Speaker 2: related to Belly the most, when she gets to Paris,

873
00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:01,984
Speaker 2: not only because she's messed up, well not she has

874
00:38:02,024 --> 00:38:03,864
Speaker 2: messed up that poor guy who I think lost his

875
00:38:03,984 --> 00:38:05,984
Speaker 2: job over this. She's not in the program.

876
00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:06,984
Speaker 1: He messed up.

877
00:38:07,064 --> 00:38:07,744
Speaker 2: He messed up.

878
00:38:07,904 --> 00:38:10,624
Speaker 1: The most I've ever related to Belly Cochlin is when

879
00:38:10,744 --> 00:38:12,824
Speaker 1: she is just you have this idea of going to

880
00:38:12,904 --> 00:38:14,664
Speaker 1: this place where you're going to be a new person.

881
00:38:14,944 --> 00:38:16,784
Speaker 1: I think we all have this when we travel, especially

882
00:38:16,784 --> 00:38:18,464
Speaker 1: when we travel for the first time in our twenties,

883
00:38:18,704 --> 00:38:20,264
Speaker 1: where you think, I'm going to get to Paris, I'm

884
00:38:20,304 --> 00:38:24,264
Speaker 1: going to be so like together and mysterious and sexy,

885
00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,184
Speaker 1: and my life's going to look like this, And the

886
00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:29,504
Speaker 1: reality is that you're dragging your suitcase and your backpack

887
00:38:29,544 --> 00:38:34,344
Speaker 1: around those freaking cobbled, hard to navigate streets. Wheel yeah,

888
00:38:34,344 --> 00:38:35,944
Speaker 1: and your wheels are breaking, and you're tired, and you're

889
00:38:35,984 --> 00:38:37,664
Speaker 1: dirty and you look gross. No one likes you and

890
00:38:37,744 --> 00:38:39,944
Speaker 1: no one wants you there. And you go into a

891
00:38:40,024 --> 00:38:42,304
Speaker 1: cafe and like even just ordering like a sandwich or

892
00:38:42,304 --> 00:38:44,944
Speaker 1: a coffee is so hard and you feel stupid, and

893
00:38:45,104 --> 00:38:48,304
Speaker 1: then you would let your stuff be stolen from your table.

894
00:38:48,544 --> 00:38:51,144
Speaker 1: And I also had mad respect for her when she

895
00:38:51,304 --> 00:38:52,224
Speaker 1: chased that guy down.

896
00:38:52,504 --> 00:38:57,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, I okay. The Paris episodes were my favorite episodes

897
00:38:57,704 --> 00:39:01,144
Speaker 2: in the entire series, and I was so nervous to

898
00:39:01,184 --> 00:39:02,904
Speaker 2: them because they were the episodes that happened after the

899
00:39:02,944 --> 00:39:04,864
Speaker 2: books finished. So the books finished, and then we do

900
00:39:04,984 --> 00:39:07,224
Speaker 2: get two more episodes, which are the Paris episodes. Yes,

901
00:39:07,544 --> 00:39:10,664
Speaker 2: I thought they were done so so well. Well, it's

902
00:39:10,664 --> 00:39:13,864
Speaker 2: the first time we're seeing Belly so vulnerable, like out

903
00:39:13,904 --> 00:39:16,024
Speaker 2: of a safe blade. And I think it's exactly what

904
00:39:16,144 --> 00:39:19,344
Speaker 2: you said, so telling to the idea that so many people,

905
00:39:19,504 --> 00:39:22,184
Speaker 2: if their life is like gone to shits, like absolutely

906
00:39:22,264 --> 00:39:25,544
Speaker 2: having the worst worst time, they can't bear living in

907
00:39:25,664 --> 00:39:28,184
Speaker 2: their life anymore. So they go overseas to start again,

908
00:39:28,504 --> 00:39:30,544
Speaker 2: and you expect it to be better because your life

909
00:39:30,624 --> 00:39:33,424
Speaker 2: was so shit, and yet it's worse, and that's exactly

910
00:39:33,544 --> 00:39:34,904
Speaker 2: what she experienced exactly.

911
00:39:35,024 --> 00:39:37,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's they're so well done. I wish we'd

912
00:39:37,144 --> 00:39:40,224
Speaker 1: had six more episodes of this version of Belly and this.

913
00:39:40,264 --> 00:39:41,624
Speaker 2: One, but I was so scared we were going to

914
00:39:41,624 --> 00:39:43,744
Speaker 2: get an Emily in Paris. Oh yeah, well you get

915
00:39:43,784 --> 00:39:45,064
Speaker 2: to Paris and everything's amazing.

916
00:39:45,384 --> 00:39:47,664
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, Emily's had her own struggles.

917
00:39:47,704 --> 00:39:50,024
Speaker 2: Okay, but the essence of Emily in Paris is like

918
00:39:50,064 --> 00:39:51,344
Speaker 2: you go to Paris and everything's amazing.

919
00:39:51,424 --> 00:39:53,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you meet a hoot guy. Yeah. Where it's like.

920
00:39:54,624 --> 00:39:55,144
Speaker 2: All those things.

921
00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:56,544
Speaker 1: It's just that she works a shitty job.

922
00:39:56,624 --> 00:39:58,624
Speaker 2: She works a shitty job. But even like she did

923
00:39:58,704 --> 00:40:00,544
Speaker 2: all of those things, but you can tell she's still

924
00:40:00,624 --> 00:40:02,944
Speaker 2: not happy, like she's still struggling through it. She's still

925
00:40:02,984 --> 00:40:05,664
Speaker 2: getting gray. I mean, she gets her beautiful apartment.

926
00:40:06,104 --> 00:40:08,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know how she got so many

927
00:40:08,264 --> 00:40:10,864
Speaker 1: people Again, viewers are really angry about that. How could

928
00:40:10,904 --> 00:40:14,024
Speaker 1: she have that beautiful apartment? And that I say, stop policing.

929
00:40:14,224 --> 00:40:17,064
Speaker 1: How women in rom comms and TV shows afford their

930
00:40:17,064 --> 00:40:18,624
Speaker 1: beautiful homes? They just can.

931
00:40:18,784 --> 00:40:19,744
Speaker 2: I think we just don't like it.

932
00:40:19,784 --> 00:40:20,584
Speaker 1: It's not realistic.

933
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:22,904
Speaker 2: Why does she get that? And I don't I know.

934
00:40:23,184 --> 00:40:25,184
Speaker 1: But also that's the fantasy element.

935
00:40:25,584 --> 00:40:27,224
Speaker 2: And I'm looking into another apartment.

936
00:40:27,504 --> 00:40:30,344
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Emily in Paris's apartment is the most

937
00:40:30,384 --> 00:40:33,504
Speaker 1: realistic that you'd have two girls sharing a studio apartment

938
00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:36,104
Speaker 1: in Paris. What I wanted to at the Paris episodes

939
00:40:36,224 --> 00:40:39,224
Speaker 1: is that Jenny Hahn always knew when she started this

940
00:40:39,344 --> 00:40:41,984
Speaker 1: TV show, from the very first episode, that she was

941
00:40:42,024 --> 00:40:44,064
Speaker 1: going to have these Paris episodes at the end.

942
00:40:44,304 --> 00:40:45,824
Speaker 2: Do you think Benita was necessary?

943
00:40:46,264 --> 00:40:48,024
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they need to show her having other

944
00:40:48,104 --> 00:40:50,144
Speaker 1: romance and even showing her just having sex with someone

945
00:40:50,144 --> 00:40:52,384
Speaker 1: else that wasn't just the Fisher Boys. And I think

946
00:40:52,464 --> 00:40:54,504
Speaker 1: that was part of Jenny Harn's kind of master plan

947
00:40:54,624 --> 00:40:56,984
Speaker 1: all along. It is like, she's not a freak. I promise, Yeah,

948
00:40:57,704 --> 00:41:00,184
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine. In the book, she goes to

949
00:41:00,304 --> 00:41:03,104
Speaker 1: Spain for a short overseas trip. So Jenny Harn wanted

950
00:41:03,144 --> 00:41:05,104
Speaker 1: to change it to Paris basically because she wanted to

951
00:41:05,104 --> 00:41:07,824
Speaker 1: go to Paris mad respect She's like, I'm gonna make

952
00:41:07,864 --> 00:41:10,264
Speaker 1: this work for me. But also she was laying so

953
00:41:10,624 --> 00:41:14,024
Speaker 1: many easter eggs all through the series, like Belly reading

954
00:41:14,064 --> 00:41:15,944
Speaker 1: the Hunger Games in French. Even the name of the

955
00:41:15,984 --> 00:41:18,024
Speaker 1: book will always have Summer is a nod to the

956
00:41:18,104 --> 00:41:21,104
Speaker 1: famous line from Casablind Cub will always have Paris. And

957
00:41:21,224 --> 00:41:23,104
Speaker 1: there's all these nods all the way through it. And

958
00:41:23,144 --> 00:41:26,984
Speaker 1: so Jenny Harn basically said that she basically backed Prime

959
00:41:27,064 --> 00:41:29,584
Speaker 1: Video into a corner. She's like, the storyline won't make

960
00:41:29,584 --> 00:41:32,064
Speaker 1: sense unless she goes to Paris, because I've been breadcrumbing

961
00:41:32,064 --> 00:41:33,624
Speaker 1: it all the way through, and that's why they had

962
00:41:33,664 --> 00:41:34,184
Speaker 1: to have her there.

963
00:41:34,424 --> 00:41:37,264
Speaker 2: What I've really liked about the first episode we see

964
00:41:37,264 --> 00:41:41,384
Speaker 2: of her in Paris where she can't speak French that well, yeah,

965
00:41:41,544 --> 00:41:43,904
Speaker 2: I think it was so tellable. I think, yeah, literally,

966
00:41:43,944 --> 00:41:45,744
Speaker 2: I think it was so telling to show that we

967
00:41:45,944 --> 00:41:47,984
Speaker 2: learned through the series that she's been learning French and

968
00:41:48,024 --> 00:41:50,784
Speaker 2: taking French as andletive throughout her high school, so she's

969
00:41:50,824 --> 00:41:52,464
Speaker 2: meant to be really good at it. Yeah, and then

970
00:41:52,464 --> 00:41:54,584
Speaker 2: it kind of shows that, like you visibly see how

971
00:41:54,664 --> 00:41:57,584
Speaker 2: she lost herself in her relationship with Jeremiah by like

972
00:41:57,824 --> 00:42:00,144
Speaker 2: physically forgetting how to speak a language that you spent

973
00:42:00,384 --> 00:42:03,344
Speaker 2: years learning and getting to France and realizing you can't

974
00:42:03,344 --> 00:42:03,904
Speaker 2: acally speak it.

975
00:42:03,984 --> 00:42:06,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like almost like the French language fell out

976
00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:08,384
Speaker 1: of her head because she shut the door to that

977
00:42:09,264 --> 00:42:11,824
Speaker 1: because she thought you would. She thought she never goes. Oh.

978
00:42:12,504 --> 00:42:13,944
Speaker 1: So then we come in getting into the end. Now

979
00:42:14,104 --> 00:42:16,704
Speaker 1: all the excitement of the final episode, so we have

980
00:42:16,824 --> 00:42:19,344
Speaker 1: two dual storylines happening here, one is happening at the

981
00:42:19,384 --> 00:42:22,344
Speaker 1: cousin's beach house, which is so important that we had

982
00:42:22,424 --> 00:42:24,784
Speaker 1: that story device of the dinner thing being canceled and

983
00:42:24,864 --> 00:42:27,744
Speaker 1: then having to go and have this big final moment

984
00:42:27,784 --> 00:42:29,624
Speaker 1: in the beach house, which I thought was beautiful and

985
00:42:29,664 --> 00:42:32,664
Speaker 1: also very important that Belly and Conrad weren't there. What

986
00:42:32,864 --> 00:42:35,304
Speaker 1: did you think of Jeremiah's I want to say Brooklyn

987
00:42:35,384 --> 00:42:38,704
Speaker 1: Beckham journey of deciding he wasn't going to follow in

988
00:42:38,784 --> 00:42:40,784
Speaker 1: his dad's footsteps, he was going to become a chef.

989
00:42:40,984 --> 00:42:42,424
Speaker 2: Yeah, I quite liked it.

990
00:42:42,904 --> 00:42:43,424
Speaker 1: I did too.

991
00:42:43,584 --> 00:42:45,584
Speaker 2: I think he deserves like a happy ending. Like I know,

992
00:42:45,624 --> 00:42:47,944
Speaker 2: everyone takes a piss out of him and doesn't like

993
00:42:48,024 --> 00:42:50,944
Speaker 2: how he treated Belly in their relationship. It's so weird

994
00:42:51,024 --> 00:42:53,744
Speaker 2: because I feel like we see Belly as like someone

995
00:42:53,864 --> 00:42:57,024
Speaker 2: that we put ourselves into, and we're like, we would

996
00:42:57,104 --> 00:43:00,024
Speaker 2: not like to have a relationship like that with someone

997
00:43:00,104 --> 00:43:02,824
Speaker 2: like Jeremiah. But I'm like he loved her. He was

998
00:43:02,904 --> 00:43:04,984
Speaker 2: just a different kind of love. Yeah, and it wasn't

999
00:43:05,024 --> 00:43:07,544
Speaker 2: the love that she needed exact her personal growth, but

1000
00:43:07,624 --> 00:43:09,064
Speaker 2: it could be the love that Denise needs.

1001
00:43:09,264 --> 00:43:12,224
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get on too, So I actually loved him

1002
00:43:12,264 --> 00:43:13,064
Speaker 1: being a little chef.

1003
00:43:13,424 --> 00:43:15,504
Speaker 2: I feel like they had TikTok famous sexy chef.

1004
00:43:15,664 --> 00:43:17,704
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. That Actually, with the way that boy looks,

1005
00:43:17,744 --> 00:43:20,264
Speaker 1: that's so fits. That's so tracks that Taylor would do

1006
00:43:20,344 --> 00:43:21,504
Speaker 1: that for him to stop his.

1007
00:43:21,504 --> 00:43:25,264
Speaker 2: Eyes from it was nice every time a scene him

1008
00:43:25,304 --> 00:43:27,944
Speaker 2: comes along, like jump scared, oh my god, turn the

1009
00:43:28,024 --> 00:43:28,464
Speaker 2: light stuff.

1010
00:43:28,744 --> 00:43:30,664
Speaker 1: I loved him having a skill. I loved him using

1011
00:43:30,744 --> 00:43:33,024
Speaker 1: his hands instead of just being a pretty boy, a

1012
00:43:33,104 --> 00:43:35,184
Speaker 1: pretty boy, NEPO baby in his dad's office. So we

1013
00:43:35,384 --> 00:43:38,744
Speaker 1: liked that. The Denise storyline I did not love because

1014
00:43:39,424 --> 00:43:44,704
Speaker 1: very rushed, very unearned. Because I love an unexpected love story.

1015
00:43:44,744 --> 00:43:45,824
Speaker 1: It's my absolute favorite.

1016
00:43:46,264 --> 00:43:47,944
Speaker 2: She goes from being like a bully to being their

1017
00:43:47,984 --> 00:43:48,464
Speaker 2: best friend.

1018
00:43:48,624 --> 00:43:50,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of liked that for her. I actually

1019
00:43:50,944 --> 00:43:53,544
Speaker 1: thought she and Steven had more chemistry. They had a

1020
00:43:53,704 --> 00:43:56,304
Speaker 1: lot of chemistry. But I also didn't love that they

1021
00:43:56,344 --> 00:43:56,944
Speaker 1: weren't together.

1022
00:43:57,064 --> 00:43:58,664
Speaker 2: I also think Steven has chemistry with everyone.

1023
00:43:58,784 --> 00:44:00,544
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just does. He's a chemistry feel boy. We

1024
00:44:00,624 --> 00:44:03,624
Speaker 1: love him. I felt that it was a rush to

1025
00:44:03,784 --> 00:44:04,464
Speaker 1: tie a book up.

1026
00:44:04,504 --> 00:44:04,784
Speaker 2: Again.

1027
00:44:05,504 --> 00:44:07,104
Speaker 1: It's almost like the music stopped and they were the

1028
00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:08,864
Speaker 1: two without chairs and they had to just get on

1029
00:44:08,904 --> 00:44:11,424
Speaker 1: the chair together kind of vibe. So yeah, I thought

1030
00:44:11,464 --> 00:44:13,704
Speaker 1: that was a missed opportunity. That's the one criticism I'll

1031
00:44:13,704 --> 00:44:16,904
Speaker 1: say of Jenny Hahn's world building and storytelling is that

1032
00:44:17,424 --> 00:44:19,184
Speaker 1: I felt that that could have been a great moment

1033
00:44:19,224 --> 00:44:21,544
Speaker 1: for an unexpected love story, which is my fave, a

1034
00:44:21,624 --> 00:44:24,824
Speaker 1: bit of an enemy's to lovers, which is also my faith. Instead,

1035
00:44:25,064 --> 00:44:26,944
Speaker 1: it just felt like they were brother and sister, brother

1036
00:44:26,984 --> 00:44:28,824
Speaker 1: and sister all the way through, and then all of

1037
00:44:28,864 --> 00:44:30,504
Speaker 1: a sudden in the kitchen, he was just so happy

1038
00:44:30,544 --> 00:44:32,344
Speaker 1: his dessert worked out that he wanted to kiss her.

1039
00:44:32,464 --> 00:44:35,224
Speaker 2: His chocolate mud cake. Maybe he definitely got from Will.

1040
00:44:35,344 --> 00:44:37,664
Speaker 1: This isn't the worst thought. It's because they were living

1041
00:44:37,704 --> 00:44:40,744
Speaker 1: together as brother and sister, and and he lived like

1042
00:44:40,784 --> 00:44:43,704
Speaker 1: that with Belly, so he just transferred. He can only

1043
00:44:43,784 --> 00:44:44,464
Speaker 1: fall in love with that.

1044
00:44:45,384 --> 00:44:46,144
Speaker 2: That's so funny.

1045
00:44:46,344 --> 00:44:48,304
Speaker 1: He can only fall in love with people he sees

1046
00:44:48,384 --> 00:44:53,584
Speaker 1: first as a sister. Jenny Hahns said it.

1047
00:44:54,184 --> 00:44:55,984
Speaker 2: There's no way, okay, that both of them are so

1048
00:44:56,104 --> 00:44:58,664
Speaker 2: good looking and hot. Yeah, there is no way they

1049
00:44:58,704 --> 00:45:00,584
Speaker 2: slept in spread beds that whole time they were living.

1050
00:45:00,624 --> 00:45:02,504
Speaker 2: Apparently they did. Their children.

1051
00:45:02,624 --> 00:45:06,744
Speaker 1: I have such curly hair anyway, So we leave them there.

1052
00:45:06,784 --> 00:45:08,904
Speaker 1: I'm actually so glad we're getting the movie because I

1053
00:45:09,264 --> 00:45:10,504
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna go out and a live in. I

1054
00:45:10,584 --> 00:45:12,824
Speaker 1: hope those crazy kids aren't together. I hope they both

1055
00:45:12,864 --> 00:45:15,664
Speaker 1: hooked up with other people. Stephen and Taylor's relationship comes

1056
00:45:15,704 --> 00:45:18,144
Speaker 1: to a beautiful place. I think with her being like,

1057
00:45:18,184 --> 00:45:20,064
Speaker 1: I'll give up everything to be with you. I think

1058
00:45:20,144 --> 00:45:22,184
Speaker 1: in any other world that would look like she was

1059
00:45:22,224 --> 00:45:24,664
Speaker 1: giving up her dreams for a guy. But it was

1060
00:45:24,704 --> 00:45:26,824
Speaker 1: more so that she was just being very vulnerable and

1061
00:45:26,944 --> 00:45:29,264
Speaker 1: knowing she could be successful anywhere, and I.

1062
00:45:29,304 --> 00:45:29,864
Speaker 2: Think she could.

1063
00:45:30,024 --> 00:45:32,584
Speaker 1: I think she could too. She was like Boston, San Francisco,

1064
00:45:32,744 --> 00:45:34,744
Speaker 1: I'm going to be I'm going to run my own

1065
00:45:34,784 --> 00:45:36,024
Speaker 1: company anywhere, it doesn't matter.

1066
00:45:36,264 --> 00:45:39,144
Speaker 2: We see Adam and Laurel and Laurel's on again, up

1067
00:45:39,144 --> 00:45:42,824
Speaker 2: again husband going on a swingers cruise potentially yeah, which

1068
00:45:42,824 --> 00:45:43,864
Speaker 2: I hope happens in the movie.

1069
00:45:43,984 --> 00:45:46,344
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, the movie. The movie isn't made

1070
00:45:46,384 --> 00:45:48,464
Speaker 1: off the summer I took.

1071
00:45:48,384 --> 00:45:49,264
Speaker 2: A swingers cruise.

1072
00:45:51,624 --> 00:45:54,584
Speaker 1: Please, I don't see Adam on a swingers cruise. Jesus.

1073
00:45:54,744 --> 00:45:58,824
Speaker 2: He prays the Champagne. Jeremiah's like from my wedding from

1074
00:45:59,104 --> 00:46:00,904
Speaker 2: him from Land from My Wedding.

1075
00:46:03,984 --> 00:46:06,544
Speaker 1: Adam like kind of soft core hitting on Laurel and

1076
00:46:06,664 --> 00:46:08,624
Speaker 1: being like, with that body and your looks, you'll do

1077
00:46:08,704 --> 00:46:10,904
Speaker 1: well on a singles cruise. And I was like, at

1078
00:46:10,944 --> 00:46:12,424
Speaker 1: this stag, you know what that is.

1079
00:46:12,904 --> 00:46:14,904
Speaker 2: That's a middle aged man who's just been broken up

1080
00:46:14,904 --> 00:46:17,384
Speaker 2: by a super hot younger. That's exactly what he's doing.

1081
00:46:17,584 --> 00:46:19,464
Speaker 1: I just also think at this stage Adam doesn't know

1082
00:46:19,544 --> 00:46:21,744
Speaker 1: who he's looking up with who's not. He's like, she's

1083
00:46:21,784 --> 00:46:24,864
Speaker 1: my wife's best friend. We're basically I'm like, why are.

1084
00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:26,704
Speaker 2: You still in my life? Why is this woman still

1085
00:46:26,744 --> 00:46:28,904
Speaker 2: here all the time in my house?

1086
00:46:29,384 --> 00:46:32,024
Speaker 1: In my house yet invited to the Denny's, Like, this

1087
00:46:32,144 --> 00:46:32,864
Speaker 1: is my house.

1088
00:46:33,144 --> 00:46:35,664
Speaker 2: And that's what when Denise was like speaking to him,

1089
00:46:36,224 --> 00:46:37,944
Speaker 2: she was like, thanks so much for bringing this Adam.

1090
00:46:38,024 --> 00:46:39,304
Speaker 2: You can put them in the back, and he's like,

1091
00:46:39,424 --> 00:46:40,224
Speaker 2: this is my house.

1092
00:46:40,424 --> 00:46:42,664
Speaker 1: But that was her, that's fair, like Denise, don't talk

1093
00:46:42,704 --> 00:46:44,944
Speaker 1: to this man. No, No, that was her saying to him,

1094
00:46:44,944 --> 00:46:47,504
Speaker 1: I don't work for you anymore. Oh yeah, I've got this.

1095
00:46:47,824 --> 00:46:49,904
Speaker 1: She could. They just got the seed funding for their company.

1096
00:46:49,984 --> 00:46:52,064
Speaker 2: I would never ever talk to a grown man like.

1097
00:46:53,024 --> 00:46:57,784
Speaker 1: I mean you always wanted to okay, which he's scared

1098
00:46:57,824 --> 00:47:00,424
Speaker 1: of it. All white. That's fair, that's fair, which brings

1099
00:47:00,544 --> 00:47:04,344
Speaker 1: us to the very end of the finale, which is

1100
00:47:04,384 --> 00:47:06,584
Speaker 1: Conrad turning up on Belly's doorstep.

1101
00:47:06,304 --> 00:47:08,464
Speaker 2: In Parish like this messy bitch.

1102
00:47:09,944 --> 00:47:12,384
Speaker 1: She's doing nothing, Belly, don't make me to send her.

1103
00:47:12,544 --> 00:47:15,384
Speaker 1: She's living her life in Paris and she's not trying

1104
00:47:15,464 --> 00:47:16,864
Speaker 1: to pull either of those boys in.

1105
00:47:17,384 --> 00:47:18,624
Speaker 2: She had a hair transformation.

1106
00:47:18,984 --> 00:47:20,904
Speaker 1: I actually love that because it's a bit of a

1107
00:47:20,984 --> 00:47:24,304
Speaker 1: nod to a movie. I talk about this podcast all times, Sabrina,

1108
00:47:24,624 --> 00:47:26,904
Speaker 1: where she put the Audrey hepburone version, which Jenny Harn.

1109
00:47:26,904 --> 00:47:29,664
Speaker 2: Loves that Hepburn like scenes in.

1110
00:47:30,824 --> 00:47:32,024
Speaker 1: There's a lot of yeah, there's a lot of kind

1111
00:47:32,024 --> 00:47:37,184
Speaker 1: of rem and oh so good. But I also love

1112
00:47:37,304 --> 00:47:40,144
Speaker 1: that Belly cutting her hair and the Paris episodes is

1113
00:47:40,264 --> 00:47:43,304
Speaker 1: very much her shedding the love she had for Jeremiah

1114
00:47:43,384 --> 00:47:45,744
Speaker 1: my brothers, No, not the brothers, No, it's for one brother.

1115
00:47:45,824 --> 00:47:49,224
Speaker 1: Because Jeremiah had said to her, always keep your hair long,

1116
00:47:49,664 --> 00:47:51,504
Speaker 1: and so she was keeping her hair long for him,

1117
00:47:52,064 --> 00:47:54,384
Speaker 1: and then her cutting her hair off is like her

1118
00:47:54,464 --> 00:47:58,304
Speaker 1: finally acknowledging that they're not him she should have meild,

1119
00:47:58,344 --> 00:48:02,304
Speaker 1: he had him crazy. That's a different and Conrad saying

1120
00:48:02,304 --> 00:48:04,144
Speaker 1: I really like your hairs, him saying that I'll love

1121
00:48:04,224 --> 00:48:08,104
Speaker 1: any version of you, and knowing they'll be together okay.

1122
00:48:08,664 --> 00:48:10,344
Speaker 1: And when they're heading off to her birthday dinner when

1123
00:48:10,424 --> 00:48:12,224
Speaker 1: comes out with his hairstyle and she does the little

1124
00:48:12,304 --> 00:48:14,704
Speaker 1: ruffle and messes up his hair like he did to

1125
00:48:14,784 --> 00:48:17,824
Speaker 1: her in season one. Is not only a call back

1126
00:48:17,864 --> 00:48:20,184
Speaker 1: to those early days before they had like properly fallen

1127
00:48:20,224 --> 00:48:22,624
Speaker 1: in love, but kind of a sign to say that

1128
00:48:22,864 --> 00:48:25,664
Speaker 1: she was almost the one who was giving him these

1129
00:48:25,664 --> 00:48:28,464
Speaker 1: little signs of affection, whereas it used to be her. Yeah,

1130
00:48:28,944 --> 00:48:30,704
Speaker 1: so middle Easter eggs and there, Oh my.

1131
00:48:30,744 --> 00:48:33,664
Speaker 2: God, and I love like how they got together. So

1132
00:48:33,784 --> 00:48:35,584
Speaker 2: after the birth they party, have had a few drinks,

1133
00:48:36,024 --> 00:48:39,224
Speaker 2: they're slow dancing in the streets, and then they kiss

1134
00:48:39,784 --> 00:48:42,344
Speaker 2: and then they have steamy, hot sex in her apartment

1135
00:48:42,384 --> 00:48:43,144
Speaker 2: with the windows open.

1136
00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:45,744
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So that sex scene was ten out ten,

1137
00:48:46,024 --> 00:48:48,824
Speaker 1: very romantic. It felt so earned, it felt so important.

1138
00:48:48,984 --> 00:48:50,984
Speaker 1: It fell like Jenny Harh being like, I know what

1139
00:48:51,144 --> 00:48:52,584
Speaker 1: you crazy bitches she was.

1140
00:48:52,664 --> 00:48:55,104
Speaker 2: I know that I saw you guys watching Bridgitton. I

1141
00:48:55,224 --> 00:48:56,544
Speaker 2: know what you want, and she's like, I.

1142
00:48:56,624 --> 00:48:59,184
Speaker 1: Know, you crazy adult women in your thirties, forties and

1143
00:48:59,224 --> 00:49:01,944
Speaker 1: fifties are obsessed with this show and you have forsaken

1144
00:49:02,024 --> 00:49:04,824
Speaker 1: your jobs, lives, and families to watch this show and

1145
00:49:04,904 --> 00:49:06,464
Speaker 1: this is what you wanted to Go ahead and watch it.

1146
00:49:06,544 --> 00:49:08,704
Speaker 2: Go ahead and watch it, and we did and we did.

1147
00:49:08,944 --> 00:49:13,624
Speaker 2: And then also the like extremely realistic awkward moment after

1148
00:49:13,744 --> 00:49:15,944
Speaker 2: having sex with someone you love when you don't want

1149
00:49:15,984 --> 00:49:18,504
Speaker 2: to show them that you love them, it was so

1150
00:49:19,064 --> 00:49:22,384
Speaker 2: incredibly done, like bellies, Like I could literally feel her

1151
00:49:22,464 --> 00:49:25,624
Speaker 2: thought process during that moment, because it's like you have

1152
00:49:25,744 --> 00:49:27,984
Speaker 2: like steaming out sex with someone who you absolutely love

1153
00:49:28,024 --> 00:49:29,824
Speaker 2: and you're comfortable with and you've done it before, so

1154
00:49:29,944 --> 00:49:31,864
Speaker 2: you know each other's bodies and you know how to

1155
00:49:31,864 --> 00:49:34,184
Speaker 2: feel safe with them, and then you're just lying in

1156
00:49:34,224 --> 00:49:36,984
Speaker 2: bed and you suddenly like reality hits and it starts

1157
00:49:37,024 --> 00:49:39,424
Speaker 2: getting like cold, like you know that four am like

1158
00:49:39,624 --> 00:49:42,064
Speaker 2: chill thieh. And then she like gets up and he

1159
00:49:42,184 --> 00:49:44,344
Speaker 2: immediately freezes and he's like, where are you going?

1160
00:49:44,744 --> 00:49:46,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so But before we get to that, though,

1161
00:49:46,864 --> 00:49:49,344
Speaker 1: I actually thought the sex scene was not just for

1162
00:49:49,664 --> 00:49:52,384
Speaker 1: creepy purves like us to watch it enjoy. But I

1163
00:49:52,424 --> 00:49:55,024
Speaker 1: thought it was this really beautiful kind of signal to

1164
00:49:55,064 --> 00:49:58,744
Speaker 1: the audience that their relationship was a new adult relationship

1165
00:49:58,784 --> 00:50:00,984
Speaker 1: and not their team relationship, because if you look at

1166
00:50:01,064 --> 00:50:03,384
Speaker 1: the sex scene where she lost her virginity to him,

1167
00:50:03,864 --> 00:50:05,864
Speaker 1: it's very much like the whole thing when you have

1168
00:50:05,944 --> 00:50:07,464
Speaker 1: sex with the first time as a team, where it's

1169
00:50:07,464 --> 00:50:09,344
Speaker 1: a little bit awkward, but also she's really shy and

1170
00:50:09,464 --> 00:50:12,664
Speaker 1: vulnerable and he's like more in charge and like guiding

1171
00:50:12,744 --> 00:50:15,144
Speaker 1: her through it, whereas in this sex scene, she's kind

1172
00:50:15,144 --> 00:50:17,224
Speaker 1: of like on the stairs, like pulling his hand down.

1173
00:50:17,504 --> 00:50:19,544
Speaker 1: When they get into the bedroom, she pulls herself on

1174
00:50:19,664 --> 00:50:22,304
Speaker 1: top and she's like kissing him and she leans forward

1175
00:50:22,304 --> 00:50:24,504
Speaker 1: to un button his pants. So it's this whole thing

1176
00:50:24,544 --> 00:50:26,984
Speaker 1: of showing like she's an adult now, she's taking charge.

1177
00:50:27,424 --> 00:50:29,224
Speaker 1: This isn't some girl who just had to go back

1178
00:50:29,264 --> 00:50:30,144
Speaker 1: to her first love. Yeah.

1179
00:50:30,184 --> 00:50:31,504
Speaker 2: No, she's been prosing with Benito.

1180
00:50:31,664 --> 00:50:33,864
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then the end she's yeah, she's she's

1181
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:34,584
Speaker 1: a woman of the world.

1182
00:50:34,664 --> 00:50:36,824
Speaker 2: Now she's only breaken up with for like six weeks.

1183
00:50:37,104 --> 00:50:39,504
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. Banina will be fine. Baniro spin off

1184
00:50:39,664 --> 00:50:40,264
Speaker 1: in the works.

1185
00:50:40,744 --> 00:50:42,464
Speaker 2: Beanino at his grandma's birthday.

1186
00:50:45,224 --> 00:50:47,064
Speaker 1: He's like, I want to insroduce her to my grandmother.

1187
00:50:47,464 --> 00:50:51,064
Speaker 1: Oh oh guy, okay, And then we have such an

1188
00:50:51,104 --> 00:50:54,264
Speaker 1: incredible callback to these iconic rom coms that Jenny harn loves,

1189
00:50:54,544 --> 00:50:57,224
Speaker 1: which is the race to stop someone from traveling. It's

1190
00:50:57,224 --> 00:50:59,504
Speaker 1: obviously normally a race through an airport. This time it

1191
00:50:59,584 --> 00:51:02,144
Speaker 1: was a race through a train station to declare your

1192
00:51:02,224 --> 00:51:04,664
Speaker 1: undying love. And this idea that you know that's in

1193
00:51:04,744 --> 00:51:06,384
Speaker 1: the movies, it's like, if I don't stop this person

1194
00:51:06,424 --> 00:51:08,624
Speaker 1: going go on a plane, then I can't ever be

1195
00:51:08,744 --> 00:51:10,064
Speaker 1: with them, even though you could just call them when

1196
00:51:10,064 --> 00:51:11,904
Speaker 1: they left, or you could fly to them when they land,

1197
00:51:12,264 --> 00:51:14,464
Speaker 1: and that this scene had the same urgency where it's

1198
00:51:14,504 --> 00:51:16,744
Speaker 1: like Belly could have obviously told Conrad this at a

1199
00:51:16,784 --> 00:51:18,904
Speaker 1: different time, but she had to do it then, like

1200
00:51:19,064 --> 00:51:22,584
Speaker 1: their whole relationship was contingent on her getting to him

1201
00:51:22,624 --> 00:51:24,504
Speaker 1: on that train and telling him right then.

1202
00:51:24,904 --> 00:51:28,184
Speaker 2: Look, okay, she was meant to be in a rush, right, Yeah.

1203
00:51:28,824 --> 00:51:30,064
Speaker 1: Yes, she put the necklace on.

1204
00:51:30,424 --> 00:51:31,904
Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to put a necklace on.

1205
00:51:32,064 --> 00:51:34,424
Speaker 2: I know I thought about that too, and not even

1206
00:51:34,464 --> 00:51:37,144
Speaker 2: a necklace. She also put the most hardest piece of

1207
00:51:37,184 --> 00:51:41,824
Speaker 2: clothing on jeans, like she literally loved to put that, Like,

1208
00:51:41,904 --> 00:51:43,184
Speaker 2: you know how long it takes me to put my

1209
00:51:43,264 --> 00:51:43,664
Speaker 2: jeans on.

1210
00:51:43,784 --> 00:51:45,384
Speaker 1: I know I've sent you put your jeans on. We're

1211
00:51:45,424 --> 00:51:48,464
Speaker 1: gonna build a good fifty necklace. Yeah, she put a

1212
00:51:48,504 --> 00:51:50,864
Speaker 1: bra on, She brushed her hair because she liked that

1213
00:51:50,944 --> 00:51:51,744
Speaker 1: it looked nice.

1214
00:51:52,344 --> 00:51:54,064
Speaker 2: And then, oh my god, I was like, were you

1215
00:51:54,104 --> 00:51:55,784
Speaker 2: in a rush? What did you do a fashion show

1216
00:51:55,824 --> 00:51:57,864
Speaker 2: on before you left?

1217
00:51:58,224 --> 00:52:00,304
Speaker 1: Well, maybe she knew the train wouldn't leave for a while.

1218
00:52:00,344 --> 00:52:00,624
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1219
00:52:00,664 --> 00:52:02,264
Speaker 1: It was very important that she had been fitting in

1220
00:52:02,264 --> 00:52:04,304
Speaker 1: a necklace on. Maybe you know, every once in a

1221
00:52:04,304 --> 00:52:05,744
Speaker 1: while you go to put a necklace on, it goes

1222
00:52:05,744 --> 00:52:08,144
Speaker 1: the first time. It only happens once to every girl,

1223
00:52:08,224 --> 00:52:10,024
Speaker 1: once in her lifetime. And that was her moment.

1224
00:52:10,584 --> 00:52:11,704
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, can't believe that.

1225
00:52:11,864 --> 00:52:12,344
Speaker 1: I believe that.

1226
00:52:12,424 --> 00:52:14,704
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about So they do meet

1227
00:52:14,784 --> 00:52:17,024
Speaker 2: up on the train and they have this massive reunion,

1228
00:52:17,104 --> 00:52:19,464
Speaker 2: a lot of beautiful words. If you were sitting in

1229
00:52:19,504 --> 00:52:21,344
Speaker 2: the passenger seat near Conrad, you'd be like, this is

1230
00:52:21,504 --> 00:52:22,064
Speaker 2: really cringe.

1231
00:52:22,144 --> 00:52:26,064
Speaker 1: I feel awkward now I don't know these people. I'd

1232
00:52:26,104 --> 00:52:27,304
Speaker 1: also be freaking. I was like, the she have a

1233
00:52:27,344 --> 00:52:30,024
Speaker 1: passport or on yeah, just have a ticket and were

1234
00:52:30,064 --> 00:52:30,984
Speaker 1: about to get detrained.

1235
00:52:31,824 --> 00:52:34,664
Speaker 2: But then the final, final last scene where she talks

1236
00:52:34,664 --> 00:52:36,744
Speaker 2: about I didn't go back to Cousins this summer, but

1237
00:52:36,784 --> 00:52:39,184
Speaker 2: I did go again. So they've either gone back to

1238
00:52:39,224 --> 00:52:42,024
Speaker 2: Cousins the year after a few years after that. And

1239
00:52:42,224 --> 00:52:45,424
Speaker 2: what I thought was so interesting about this scene was

1240
00:52:45,464 --> 00:52:48,144
Speaker 2: that they're in the beautiful house that we've seen from

1241
00:52:48,224 --> 00:52:51,584
Speaker 2: episode one, season one, and they're by themselves, so we

1242
00:52:51,664 --> 00:52:55,184
Speaker 2: don't actually get that final justification whether or not the

1243
00:52:55,304 --> 00:52:58,584
Speaker 2: family are on board with this relationship. Right at the aird,

1244
00:52:59,144 --> 00:53:01,704
Speaker 2: it's just the two of them from that whole last episode.

1245
00:53:01,864 --> 00:53:03,984
Speaker 1: I took that more to mean that, like everyone was

1246
00:53:04,064 --> 00:53:07,184
Speaker 1: so happy and everything, because I think they had well

1247
00:53:07,184 --> 00:53:08,544
Speaker 1: they show that final shot at the More and the

1248
00:53:08,544 --> 00:53:11,064
Speaker 1: dinner party were all there, all, well they're happy together. Yeah.

1249
00:53:12,184 --> 00:53:14,064
Speaker 1: Is meant to show them in their own world and

1250
00:53:14,144 --> 00:53:16,104
Speaker 1: the fact that you can't tell is it the year after,

1251
00:53:16,264 --> 00:53:18,384
Speaker 1: is it five years after? Used to say that they

1252
00:53:18,624 --> 00:53:22,264
Speaker 1: now exist in this perfect world together forever until the movie.

1253
00:53:22,344 --> 00:53:24,544
Speaker 2: Well they weren't cousins by themselves, so maybe they all

1254
00:53:24,664 --> 00:53:27,144
Speaker 2: have on again off again summers. I was like, you

1255
00:53:27,224 --> 00:53:29,304
Speaker 2: just want the dr belly and Connie get the beach house.

1256
00:53:29,344 --> 00:53:30,704
Speaker 2: We don't want to be there, so we'll go the

1257
00:53:30,784 --> 00:53:33,344
Speaker 2: next summer. And then I don't think it was Adam

1258
00:53:33,544 --> 00:53:37,024
Speaker 2: Denise Jeremiah Laurel's husband again again.

1259
00:53:37,744 --> 00:53:39,624
Speaker 1: We don't need to that name. I thought it was

1260
00:53:39,624 --> 00:53:41,784
Speaker 1: actually quite a lovely ending. If the news of the

1261
00:53:41,824 --> 00:53:43,784
Speaker 1: movie hadn't come out, it would have been disappointed and

1262
00:53:43,864 --> 00:53:46,384
Speaker 1: felt like I maybe needed a little bit more, and

1263
00:53:46,504 --> 00:53:48,384
Speaker 1: that I know in the book it kind of ends,

1264
00:53:48,424 --> 00:53:50,104
Speaker 1: and there's just like a little epilogue saying that she

1265
00:53:50,224 --> 00:53:52,544
Speaker 1: ends up with Conrad. Yeah, so you kind of needed more.

1266
00:53:52,584 --> 00:53:54,664
Speaker 1: But I actually thought this was like quite a lovely ending,

1267
00:53:54,704 --> 00:53:56,584
Speaker 1: and it made me very happy that we're coming to

1268
00:53:56,624 --> 00:53:56,984
Speaker 1: the movie.

1269
00:53:57,064 --> 00:53:59,064
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for the movie. I really don't want

1270
00:53:59,064 --> 00:53:59,704
Speaker 2: to watch it, but I will.

1271
00:53:59,984 --> 00:54:01,304
Speaker 1: Okay, you well, you've got it here.

1272
00:54:01,824 --> 00:54:04,264
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1273
00:54:04,384 --> 00:54:07,504
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1274
00:54:07,664 --> 00:54:11,744
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1275
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1278
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1280
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1281
00:54:25,464 --> 00:54:28,224
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1282
00:54:28,264 --> 00:54:31,144
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Speaker 2: Morning Tea and then another episode of the Spill at

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Speaker 2: three pm.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye Bye