Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seize the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 1: one way. So this is the platforms to hear and
Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,
Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of Seizing your Yea. I'm
Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 1: funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found
Speaker 1: matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Sees the Ya is
Speaker 1: a series of conversations on finding a life you love
Speaker 1: and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome by Oh my god, I had to swore
Speaker 2: that s so far as we just started as I
Speaker 2: took a drink of water.
Speaker 1: What have you come as? She's wearing like a straw
Speaker 1: hat that looks very fashion if you wear it with
Speaker 1: the right ensemble, but it's with like gym clothes.
Speaker 2: Anytime, Scarecrow, anytime I crossed the river and I got
Speaker 2: to be busy. I have to come busy today. I'm Wendy.
Speaker 3: Hi, Wendyoo, Wendy, and my best friend's name is Darlene.
Speaker 2: Oh nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a nice little narrative you've got.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we got to do our part two
Speaker 2: so soon after.
Speaker 1: It was meant to come out seven days after and
Speaker 1: it's been what two weeks, and we haven't even recorded it,
Speaker 1: let alone put it out. It's fine, we have we have.
Speaker 2: Very good reason though. You are seven weeks away from
Speaker 2: giving back my seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so weird. Thirty three weeks today, he's a pineapple.
Speaker 2: The spikes hurt.
Speaker 1: That's what Nick said, you guys have been hanging out to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I said, he's really hurting me. Like I sent him
Speaker 1: a little app from like screenshot saying what fruit he
Speaker 1: is this week? And he was like, and I said, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's really hurting me because he's so big and he's
Speaker 1: trying to make space. Apparently he doubles in size again
Speaker 1: from now And I was like, every time he moves,
Speaker 1: like you can feel like you can literally feel which
Speaker 1: limb is kind of moving across the belly. And so
Speaker 1: I said Oh, he's really hurting me today. And it
Speaker 1: goes from the spikes, from the acidity. He's like, all
Speaker 1: that skin looks spiky, and then.
Speaker 2: You just.
Speaker 1: How how But that's not really a reason, Like I'm
Speaker 1: using it as a reason. But I think this year
Speaker 1: I've just been really like, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, my thing is a very valid reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's valid, but it's not the reason. I'm just
Speaker 1: using it as the reason.
Speaker 2: I'm You don't like me say it.
Speaker 1: No, you've been here a lot of times. Just every time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's just do it like another day, because.
Speaker 2: I am the common denominator.
Speaker 1: Let's just do it like another day. Yeah, we've just
Speaker 1: gone down a hill and came on board. We've just
Speaker 1: gone downhill.
Speaker 2: But speaking of pregnancy, how is he tracking? Normal? Site
Speaker 2: is in normal size?
Speaker 1: His normal size. He's apparently got like a bit of
Speaker 1: a big hedge of course of your side, a little
Speaker 1: big head, very very busy baby.
Speaker 2: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: He's just started to like move all the time now,
Speaker 1: like all the time. He's just renovating in there, which
Speaker 1: again doesn't.
Speaker 2: Surprise amazing nick Son.
Speaker 1: Nick Son, a laundry.
Speaker 2: He's building his laundry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's got a double in size, so like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's going to make room in there,
Speaker 1: but he's super busy.
Speaker 2: Does he have a height?
Speaker 1: It's like forty two centimeters at the moment, which is well,
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell because the app tells you kind
Speaker 1: of what you should be up to, you see, but
Speaker 1: then you we have checkups. They get closer together. So
Speaker 1: we've got checkups every fortnight at the moment, but we
Speaker 1: only you only get like the big scan of like
Speaker 1: the whole full tour of his body and all the measurements.
Speaker 1: I think it's four times three times during the pregnancy,
Speaker 1: and next one in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: So so excited.
Speaker 1: That's when you get like the three D face again.
Speaker 3: Two weeks time, isn't then you're five weeks You could
Speaker 3: you could give both any.
Speaker 1: Sacred I know, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: Every time you do like a pood, do you feel
Speaker 2: like this could be it?
Speaker 1: Not really? No, I kind of thought that there would
Speaker 1: be the case, but no, no, not really.
Speaker 2: I'm actually really nervous.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited.
Speaker 2: I'm not even the one given the baby, but I'm
Speaker 2: very nervous.
Speaker 1: Well, we've been doing. We've been doing amazing birth.
Speaker 2: Classes as you went to one yesterday, all the rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Valentine's Day, that was our little Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day activity, and all the right research and support. We
Speaker 1: have so many amazing experts around us. My ob is
Speaker 1: the best. I feel like it's also really we've been
Speaker 1: so fortunate that we have so many friends who have
Speaker 1: done it before us, so I don't feel like it's foreign,
Speaker 1: like of course I've never done it before. Of course
Speaker 1: it's scary, but it's not if you were the first
Speaker 1: person in your group and you had no one to
Speaker 1: talk to, just getting an idea of you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just feel like the terminology is a
Speaker 1: little bit more familiar. And I'm just so excited to
Speaker 1: meet him me too, especially now he's so big. Like
Speaker 1: when you can really feel movements and you know it's
Speaker 1: a foot or something, you can connect it so much
Speaker 1: more to like that is like, that's my kid. So
Speaker 1: when he comes out, he's going to be a little
Speaker 1: human just already.
Speaker 3: Looks like yeah, because so because you don't have any
Speaker 3: lineage other than you, I know.
Speaker 2: And then Nick's got Nick and his mum and there's
Speaker 2: no further kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like adoption on both sides. You're such a mystery.
Speaker 1: But I keep saying that, now that I've realized he's
Speaker 1: my first blood relative, I'm like, I can't wait for
Speaker 1: him to look like me. Imagine if he looks nothing
Speaker 1: like me, he looks like me.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We have a couple of girlfriends in the Korean group
Speaker 1: where we were all adopted at the same time, and
Speaker 1: they were the same. They're like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: going to be my first blood relative. And two of
Speaker 1: their babies look nothing like look fully Caucasian, not even
Speaker 1: half age. Really yeah, Like one of them's ginger, and
Speaker 1: she's like, where did you come did.
Speaker 2: You come from?
Speaker 1: Literally money to come from? So but Nick doesn't have ginger.
Speaker 2: All those shame is really but you don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't you could have. Can you imagine? Oh, it's
Speaker 1: like such a mystery. Imagine if he gave birth to
Speaker 1: ed sheeran imagine would be so rich. But I think,
Speaker 1: like the thing that's fascinating me now every day I
Speaker 1: have a brain explosion about oh my god, the minute
Speaker 1: he comes out, he's like a little human, like he's
Speaker 1: his own little human but also like, what's he going
Speaker 1: to like? Is he gonna like in how like some
Speaker 1: kids are just obsessed with transport and some are like
Speaker 1: under the sea, and some are like, like, what's he
Speaker 1: going to be? Like? I can't wait?
Speaker 2: I feel like that's why you guys are good. You'd
Speaker 2: let him be whatever he wants to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if he wants to play kanga cricket with Annie,
Speaker 1: and like he wants to play cacre cricket with.
Speaker 2: But if he wants to do ballet, he'll do ballet
Speaker 2: maybe Billy Elliott, Billy Elliott.
Speaker 1: But it's so cute just thinking about all those things now,
Speaker 1: like what's his little personality going to be like? And
Speaker 1: the closer it gets, the more you can actually imagine,
Speaker 1: like of course he doesn't come out with interests and
Speaker 1: hobbies and play the a but like eventually first.
Speaker 4: Episode back busy and knowing the baby today he's been
Speaker 4: in the world for a week and so tell us
Speaker 4: about the birth from your perspective, So that's about when you.
Speaker 2: Were younger to die, you had and what about your
Speaker 2: your neighborhood must be so beautiful, it must be so supportive,
Speaker 2: and what are your favorite books?
Speaker 1: What is one book you would recommend to this community.
Speaker 1: It's like a very hungry caterpillar.
Speaker 2: Have you thought about things like like social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a really hard one because I'm such
Speaker 1: an oversharer, Like you know, I'm really private with people.
Speaker 1: If something involves people who aren't as public as me
Speaker 1: about or who don't share as much or not aren't
Speaker 1: comfortable with it, then all of that, Like my family
Speaker 1: life is super private because none of them are on
Speaker 1: social media, and they don't kind of it's not their default.
Speaker 1: But with my own stuff, I'm so open and I
Speaker 1: share so in real time. And it's such a weird
Speaker 1: decision to make because it is it suddenly does involve
Speaker 1: someone else, and it involves someone who can't make decisions
Speaker 1: for themselves, And but it will also be unusually if
Speaker 1: I suddenly was like, I'm not sharing anything. So I
Speaker 1: haven't really decided yet. I think Nick and I have
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot, like do we show parts
Speaker 1: but not his face? Or is there an age cut
Speaker 1: off where you know when they're babies, they're not as
Speaker 1: Nick just said, exclusively bum.
Speaker 2: But at two years old, that's too far for that.
Speaker 1: It's too far forbum yeh yeh.
Speaker 5: So bummies identify about me recognizable bum you know, like
Speaker 5: when they're Some people are of the opinion that when
Speaker 5: their babies, they're less identifiable, so you can show them
Speaker 5: when they're babies, but when they grow into like toddlers
Speaker 5: that are at school and stuff, that's when you hide
Speaker 5: their face.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like there's so many different options
Speaker 1: of how to approach it, and we haven't really found
Speaker 1: where we're kind of that.
Speaker 2: Yes, you sit with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine with you both, a lot of it
Speaker 3: will be when the time comes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's most comfortable. I agree though with the.
Speaker 3: Also, I think it's different coming from a person that
Speaker 3: hasn't doesn't have a child. I think your perspective changes
Speaker 3: once you once you have one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've always felt like babies never look.
Speaker 1: Like they they end up looking. Yeah, they develop very differently.
Speaker 3: Like if I look at my photo, I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: you look I tangerine.
Speaker 1: No, I think I had drawn. I gave it all
Speaker 1: of your childhood photos.
Speaker 2: You look identical.
Speaker 1: You never a lot different. No, No, you look exactly
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 2: That is going on. That is you, that is.
Speaker 1: You right now, Look that you are.
Speaker 2: I didn't we gotta put this up you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Most babies look very very different from when they're fit.
Speaker 2: That's you.
Speaker 3: You have not changed a photo of me as a
Speaker 3: probably I don't know, five days old and is now.
Speaker 3: People normally have faces that go over long downwards across,
Speaker 3: which it still is.
Speaker 2: And I don't think I had to defined like chin,
Speaker 2: look that's chin. You are the.
Speaker 1: Same, that is you now, that's you now, and that
Speaker 1: is bim. Come on, you are exactly that.
Speaker 2: There's one photo problems on my face, and I'm looking
Speaker 2: very solemn, probablycause not many.
Speaker 1: People who look as similar in now as they do
Speaker 1: in their childhood as you. You've not really changed.
Speaker 2: My hairstyle definitely hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: Your little baby hairs.
Speaker 2: Well, baby hairs have not changed. You know.
Speaker 1: I've got a message saying like, oh did I send
Speaker 1: it to you? Oh? I think you did something about
Speaker 1: like I can't take a I don't recognize Andre without
Speaker 1: her baby hairs. Yeah, And I was like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you know Angre? And they're like no, I just used
Speaker 1: to hear their baby hairs. I was like, oh yeah, anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so pregnancy going really well. Just I feel like the
Speaker 1: first trimester because of how everything went for us was
Speaker 1: so slow, and then everything since then it has been like,
Speaker 1: how are we at thirty three? Like, yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: believe it.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Weeks nine months sounds like a long time.
Speaker 2: I don't know when you say it, like if you say,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I'm February to whatever. Yeah, But now
Speaker 2: that it's happened, I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like it went really fast. Yeah it was yeah.
Speaker 2: Yesterday when you told us, But how are your fatigue levels?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the first couple of weeks where like
Speaker 1: I felt really good in the second trimester, and I
Speaker 1: think I've even like we did a few episodes were
Speaker 1: on the baby moon, I was like, I'm feeling myself,
Speaker 1: like I don't feel sick anymore. My body's a miracle.
Speaker 1: I was like naked all the time, and I just
Speaker 1: felt like mother Nature. And then you kind of get
Speaker 1: a little bit further into the third trimester and you're
Speaker 1: carrying like a lot of weight, Like you're carrying a
Speaker 1: whole extra human who's now pretty much viable, like could
Speaker 1: survive outside the womb, has like fully fledged organs, and
Speaker 1: that's so much more than your hips and pelvis and
Speaker 1: stuff has ever had to walk around with all day.
Speaker 1: So just in the last week, I've started to feel
Speaker 1: pretty tired from like where whereas I would normally be
Speaker 1: able to do like a couple of activities in one day,
Speaker 1: I kind of am like, I do one and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not really functional, so I get tired
Speaker 1: really quickly, and just you're just a bit sore, Like
Speaker 1: everything's got pressure, so everything's just a little bit harder
Speaker 1: to move around. I'm so grateful I have so much
Speaker 1: support with acapuncture and osteo for the sciatica, and Nick's
Speaker 1: been amazing with like massage and I'm sitting a breats
Speaker 1: and uber eats, I'm sitting on footballs and like trying
Speaker 1: to do all the right things as well, like not
Speaker 1: lying on my back. And we had I think since
Speaker 1: I kind of remember it was since the last time
Speaker 1: we recorded. Oh, the other reason why we delayed recording
Speaker 1: was we had a bit of a family surprise with
Speaker 1: a health issue, and that kind of threw everything a
Speaker 1: little bit off track, and that like adds a lot
Speaker 1: of fatigue because your body just is already dealing with
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, so yeah, and you're still working
Speaker 1: pretty I'm still working pretty normal at nine workload, i'd say,
Speaker 1: and it's because I'm still really enjoying it and there's
Speaker 1: still like a lot of a lot of amazing things
Speaker 1: coming up in the next couple of weeks. But I've
Speaker 1: called it at about thirty six, which is probably later
Speaker 1: than I thought I would work. But I also feel
Speaker 1: better than I thought I would by now, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, like I thought by thirty three i'd
Speaker 1: be immobile, and I'm still kind of doing.
Speaker 3: Stuff and I feel like some moms are really Like
Speaker 3: today at the gym, there was a mom at the
Speaker 3: gym doing lunges like a pregnant leader.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, you know what, kudos to you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's something I get no lunch And what's that runner?
Speaker 3: I think it was Jes stre and Grove or something anyway,
Speaker 3: one of the Australian rather and runners.
Speaker 2: She was running. Oh yeah, I couldn't running at thirty
Speaker 2: something weeks. I was like that, that's actually really crazy.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, but it's also really really interesting to see
Speaker 1: how much like there's certain milestones that make sense where
Speaker 1: if a pregnant woman says at X weeks you kind
Speaker 1: of know vaguely what their symptoms are up to or
Speaker 1: vaguely what size the baby is. But the variation in
Speaker 1: how much people can do at different times, it's just
Speaker 1: completely different for everyone. So someone who's at thirty three
Speaker 1: might look literally like they're about to pop, can't move
Speaker 1: walking stick walking frame, and then someone else is running
Speaker 1: marathons same time, tiny bump like it's just and even
Speaker 1: women the same woman between pregnancies can have like completely
Speaker 1: different growth rates and it's just so weird, like you've
Speaker 1: just got to deal with what your body kind of
Speaker 1: throws at you and you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But I really have liked how much that makes you
Speaker 1: just surrender.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and labor at that actually, which surprises me.
Speaker 1: You're usually good at that.
Speaker 3: I agree you normally like I keep going no matter what,
Speaker 3: but you're at being like, listen to my body, so
Speaker 3: you just don't.
Speaker 1: Have a choice. And also labor's been like that as well,
Speaker 1: Like we've you know, done so much birth education on
Speaker 1: all the different options, but you can have your preference,
Speaker 1: but like at the end of the day, you really
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going to happen, like you have
Speaker 1: no control. Just because you want to do it one way,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that your body's going to cooperate or
Speaker 1: the baby's going to cooperate. And yeah, it's been real
Speaker 1: exercise in like letting go and just you can't plan
Speaker 1: anything because I don't know if I like, next week
Speaker 1: could be the week that suddenly my body's like no.
Speaker 2: Next week you could pop a baby out technically, or
Speaker 2: like in four weeks time, I could still be like
Speaker 2: exactly the same.
Speaker 1: You just you just really have to do.
Speaker 2: It either before March nineteen, after master thiney night. It's
Speaker 2: quite vital. It's cool.
Speaker 1: I am so so upset Andrew's sister, who is the
Speaker 1: very Actually this is so interesting. People still ask how
Speaker 1: we met, which just like blows my mind.
Speaker 2: Honestly.
Speaker 3: It was that time in the toilet cubicle when you
Speaker 3: didn't have tolet paper, said anyone.
Speaker 2: Got the paper.
Speaker 1: You can't say that because people believe you, and it
Speaker 1: should have been noting it.
Speaker 2: You literally said prop prop blop and so I'm really
Speaker 2: sorry pooed everywhere I need and I you were six
Speaker 2: years so I climbed under because you were small enough
Speaker 2: and I gave you the toy paper and then I said, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, you are you ya, let me wipe your
Speaker 3: bump for you say.
Speaker 1: Andrew's eldest sister was one of my closest friends all
Speaker 1: the way through high school, and her wedding is like
Speaker 1: across our Jude dated like Vietnam.
Speaker 2: I remember that when we Catherine invited you and it
Speaker 2: was like a yes from you Nick and your mom,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah were I was like, oh my god, we
Speaker 2: got to go on because.
Speaker 1: We want we wanted to go to Vietnam with you for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like your mom didn't go to friends because she
Speaker 3: thought she'd go with your fans.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So we were like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: finally happening.
Speaker 3: And in that same week you found out the dud
Speaker 3: date you were pregnant and the Jude date, and I
Speaker 3: was like, what are the chances?
Speaker 1: So I had nothing in any calendar at any time
Speaker 1: except like the nineteenth of March twenty twenty four. That's
Speaker 1: like juju, that's like you, that's like thirty eight. Could
Speaker 1: wouldn't be allowed to fly even if I wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like selfishly, I was like, please
Speaker 3: please hold it on until I get back because it's
Speaker 3: very important and I have to go to answerdam afterwards,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, really doing my life, how do I get back?
Speaker 3: Do I come like this day or this day because
Speaker 3: this like Sarah's giving birth on the fifth or whatever
Speaker 3: in the start of April and then crisis drough the
Speaker 3: fifth of May.
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do it? As if like I'm
Speaker 2: giving birth or something.
Speaker 3: And I was like kind of, so please hold on
Speaker 3: because and then here I am being like, what's what
Speaker 3: research paper.
Speaker 2: Can I find? Whether it says please hold on to
Speaker 2: my sne so it's scientific food?
Speaker 1: Can I make it?
Speaker 2: I was like, so now I'm like really fingers crossed
Speaker 2: because it's touch and go. I feel like in the
Speaker 2: time that otherwise I'll.
Speaker 1: Just FaceTime you. No.
Speaker 2: Anyway, It's very exciting.
Speaker 1: Though, So yeah, it's such an exciting time. It's all
Speaker 1: become really real in the life since the birth classes.
Speaker 1: I think, since it's become like we're not just researching
Speaker 1: this in theory. It's like this is you soon, like
Speaker 1: you are going to have to get this out of you.
Speaker 3: And then have you I think this is a question
Speaker 3: that we've got anyway, but I want to ask have
Speaker 3: you got because I actually don't know dance to this.
Speaker 2: A birth plan.
Speaker 1: Yes, have a birth plan. And so we have a
Speaker 1: dueler who is amazing, and they're sort of your birth
Speaker 1: support person. So the obstetrician is your doctor, and they're
Speaker 1: in charge of all the medical procedure of getting the
Speaker 1: baby out of you, for your health, for the baby's health,
Speaker 1: everything at the sort of technical medical end. And then
Speaker 1: the dueler is there for your obviously they're so experienced
Speaker 1: in childbirth, but also for your emotional state to get
Speaker 1: you through like the mindset of it, and guide you
Speaker 1: through each kind of a step of the way. And
Speaker 1: because in the hospital I didn't know this until recently,
Speaker 1: but your ob isn't there all the time. They kind
Speaker 1: of in and out. You're mostly with midwives. In the
Speaker 1: private system, you will you could have a few because
Speaker 1: it depends on how many different shifts. In the public system. Again,
Speaker 1: you could have a few, and you don't know who
Speaker 1: that is in advance. And so the dueler is like
Speaker 1: the one consistent kind of birth advocate who knows all
Speaker 1: your preferences, who's been there with you in advance and
Speaker 1: can be the person who's like between you and the system.
Speaker 2: You don't have to keep saying door, You're going to
Speaker 2: say my.
Speaker 1: Name, Doylely, you look like a totally right now. So
Speaker 1: lots of PEO will give birth without them, but I
Speaker 1: just wanted that consistency of care, and especially after kind
Speaker 1: of our first miscarriage, I thought, like all the support
Speaker 1: that I can get in the room, to have a
Speaker 1: person who's been in the whole way anyway. So we
Speaker 1: have this amazing doller who you've all if you follow
Speaker 1: me on socials, you've all seen nurtured birth. Sarah is
Speaker 1: amazing and her team is amazing, and we have she's
Speaker 1: doing our birth education because actually at the moment, most
Speaker 1: of the hospitals are doing them online and I wanted
Speaker 1: like an in person experience. And yeah, she doesn't call
Speaker 1: it a plan because she's like nothing ever grossed a
Speaker 1: plan because she's delivered like hundreds of babies and she's
Speaker 1: worked really closely with our ob Danielle as well, so
Speaker 1: they're like a team that knows how to work together.
Speaker 1: But you do a preferences her approaches. You write down
Speaker 1: all your preferences, so the order of what you would
Speaker 1: like in terms of like natural versus cesarean versus natural,
Speaker 1: like vaginal with drugs, vagina without drugs with drugs in order, like,
Speaker 1: you know, do you want any pain relief? Do you
Speaker 1: want it to be offered to you? And she kind
Speaker 1: of like helps you know, all the questions that could
Speaker 1: come up and then gets now what your preference is
Speaker 1: so that when you're like totally out of it and
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily you can't advocate for yourself, that she
Speaker 1: can then communicate those preferences. So, yes, we have like
Speaker 1: my preferences for every single possibility that could come up.
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, if something's medically necessary,
Speaker 1: it's medically necessary.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're pretty much just like whatever happens happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of like this is the default, this
Speaker 1: is what I would like, this is my dream scenario,
Speaker 1: and then if this happens, then this. If this happens,
Speaker 1: then this, And we've kind of gone through each thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, exciting. Should we do a separate episode on your
Speaker 2: birth plan or is that private information?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But I think we should, Well, we should do one
Speaker 1: on the birth after it and then compare the plan.
Speaker 2: Oh, compare the pair.
Speaker 1: Compare the pair. Yes, compare the pineapple. Compare, although by
Speaker 1: then not be compared the watermelon.
Speaker 2: Well that's smooth, yeah, at least large, but smooth.
Speaker 1: And it's so interesting, like half of the plan will
Speaker 1: be irrelevant, you know what I mean, Like it can.
Speaker 3: Only get just one way because some people have really
Speaker 3: strong It's like, you know, I saw this thing the
Speaker 3: other day.
Speaker 2: It's like when you meet someone that's been your friend
Speaker 2: for so long and then you realize that, like like
Speaker 2: uber religious, you wouldn't have you wouldn't have guessed otherwise. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't change and be like, oh, like I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: known you were like Orthodox Greek or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. It's like, oh, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have known you exactly cesarean.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have known you were so like. I think
Speaker 3: people feel really strongly against EPI drils, which I don't like. Again,
Speaker 3: I think it's because I've never had to be in
Speaker 3: a situation, but I think working in the hospital also
Speaker 3: I have a desensitized idea of dangers of things like drials. Yeah,
Speaker 3: normally that's people's biggest concerns. But yeah, like things like
Speaker 3: people's really strong views towards a drug or no drug
Speaker 3: or definitely no cesarean or definitely cesarean or whatever is interesting,
Speaker 3: not like anyone's ever better than the Othercacy outcomes saying
Speaker 3: more very similar, but it's very interesting to no.
Speaker 2: But I feel like yours was. I'm not liable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't go in like I must do it
Speaker 1: this way. I'm very much like the medical experts will
Speaker 1: guide me. And I trust our rob so much that
Speaker 1: she wouldn't go for an option until it was medically necessary.
Speaker 1: So she'll give you the best chance at a natural
Speaker 1: birth without pain relief. And if I couldn't do that,
Speaker 1: there'd be a reason, And I'm not the right person
Speaker 1: to say what that reason, if that makes sense, Like,
Speaker 1: if she's telling me I need to I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go no, ye totally, or if I need a
Speaker 1: C section, I'm not going to say no against medical advice,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So I'm like like flexible, but
Speaker 1: I know what my base preference would be, which would
Speaker 1: be natural.
Speaker 3: I get one more preping question. Yeah, would you do
Speaker 3: like the whole stand in the shower thing?
Speaker 2: Okay? Does everyone do that?
Speaker 1: Everyone does that?
Speaker 2: Oh right?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so you get like your birthing area, and
Speaker 1: some of them have a pool as well. Some of
Speaker 1: them just you imagine it's like an Olympic size room
Speaker 1: and a diving bod. Some of them have a pool,
Speaker 1: but most of them you'll have a shower and because
Speaker 1: like so you learn so much on my god, active
Speaker 1: labor where you're actually like pushing and screaming and like
Speaker 1: that kind of I don't want.
Speaker 3: To that's very short, okay, thank god, because I would
Speaker 3: be too stress seeing my friend in pain.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's also really weird. Half the training
Speaker 1: around birth education is learning that for the one time
Speaker 1: in your life, it's it's it's normal pain, Like it's
Speaker 1: good pain. Like there's obviously a level where you in
Speaker 1: distress versus where you're just working hard. But they're like,
Speaker 1: it's hard. Labor is hard, and it's especially hard, like
Speaker 1: for Nick, a lot of his training has been around
Speaker 1: normally if you saw her like that, you would think
Speaker 1: she was dying. And you have to train your brain
Speaker 1: that this is supposed to be like that. You're just
Speaker 1: supposed to help support her through it.
Speaker 2: But I just got she was thinking about stressed. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't know what to do. I'd be like a lot of.
Speaker 1: It is like the pre labor where the contractions are
Speaker 1: getting closer together, but you're not actually pushing so and
Speaker 1: it's still really uncomfortable. So in that time, people are
Speaker 1: like rolling on the ball, They're going in the shower,
Speaker 1: they're out of the shower. They're like, you're trying to
Speaker 1: create as much oxytocin as possible because your pain levels
Speaker 1: are lower if you have more oxotocin. So it's like
Speaker 1: get rid of the adrenaline. You'd like candles, you play music, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm working on it.
Speaker 2: You're just going to be like.
Speaker 1: I've already told it, like if you want, if you
Speaker 1: want ottocin in my body, it's gonna be She's like classical,
Speaker 1: what do you want? I'm like house music where guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: literally literally, if you want me in a mode where
Speaker 1: I feel pumped up, like I can do this, It's like,
Speaker 1: don't you worry each other it? Actually, I'm not king.
Speaker 2: You are like the biggest fan.
Speaker 1: I would actually put money on the fact that at
Speaker 1: some point I'm going to ask someone to play that song.
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if it wasn't the first song on
Speaker 2: your least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if there's a moment where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't do it, Like when when we ran the
Speaker 1: half marathon, the bits where I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: do this. I put on Swedish House my fee, and
Speaker 1: then I can do it. I knew it, and she
Speaker 1: made me write it down. She's like, write that down
Speaker 1: because that'll be useful. You know, I'm not writing that,
Speaker 1: but this remix, not the radio edit. I want the specific.
Speaker 2: Yeah literally, Okay. So that was my last like probing
Speaker 2: question that I personally have.
Speaker 1: Because actually I can't wait to do the birth story
Speaker 1: episode because I will be so fascinated to break down
Speaker 1: the psychology of it all. It's so psychological.
Speaker 2: I like, am I'm quite your stress than I am.
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, Oh my god, what's your heart rate doing?
Speaker 2: I haven't turned off from when I went to the
Speaker 2: gym three hours ago? What is it?
Speaker 1: What is it recording your heart right?
Speaker 3: My whole gym session has been since I've been doing
Speaker 3: it for three hours.
Speaker 1: Oh you're so active? Oh my okay, Also, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're update before we even get into BIM it's been
Speaker 1: twenty seven minutes. We haven't started Part two. Other questions yep,
Speaker 1: which is so chaotic. You did a triathlon since our
Speaker 1: last episode.
Speaker 2: I finished a triathlon, is what. I didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I just you didn't do it. I just got to
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the psychology of getting through some intelliging. So
Speaker 1: Ann slept over. We had a family sleep over the
Speaker 1: night before. Yes, that was really cute.
Speaker 2: That was a good prep. I have to say.
Speaker 1: Actually, and wore her wet suit half the night because a.
Speaker 2: YouTube comment I read said you should season it season.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you said season it gross. It's so gross.
Speaker 2: Ill. Well, most of my education trython wise it was
Speaker 2: through YouTube comments, comments and Instagram comments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not the original comments.
Speaker 3: They better than they provide all of the extra It's
Speaker 3: like the nuggets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the like yeahborhood wisdom.
Speaker 2: What's in a book where it's like the extre info, the.
Speaker 1: Appendages, the appendix appendages like the penises limbs, you mean,
Speaker 1: like the footnotes, like extra comments, yeah, extra comments, so
Speaker 1: not appendages.
Speaker 2: Use. It was a great. It was a great. It
Speaker 2: was actually really fun. It was fun.
Speaker 3: It was a fun thing to do. It was funny
Speaker 3: because I went back. I've always wanted to do an
Speaker 3: Olympic distance. Yeah, for like since The first one I
Speaker 3: ever did was to that and in sixteen, okay a
Speaker 3: long time ago, and I didn't know how to swim,
Speaker 3: so YouTube how to swim.
Speaker 2: So that's my swimming knowledge. And I was weird because
Speaker 2: you're really sporty.
Speaker 3: We just never swam like we got You know, when
Speaker 3: you do it and you're in that's grimary school and
Speaker 3: you do it in prep and then you kind of
Speaker 3: can continue outside of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going too. I just did that like we did.
Speaker 1: We could sweat, like you wouldn't have drowned.
Speaker 2: I probably would have drowned.
Speaker 1: Okay, you couldn't swim like.
Speaker 3: No, no, Like we could swim, but like, my my
Speaker 3: ability to trade water was very minimum. I could do
Speaker 3: it for like a minute. I was like, so technically, yeah,
Speaker 3: I would drink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need one of those baby necks.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but it was like somewhat like comfortable in
Speaker 3: the water. I wasn't like I could I could do freestyle.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it for like fifty.
Speaker 1: Meters yeah, okay, not like yeah, so in that.
Speaker 3: Sense, yeah, I was like we we went to the ocean.
Speaker 3: I would spend all my time in the.
Speaker 2: Water as a kid. Yeah, boogie boarding and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So in that sense, I kind of wouldn't drown straight away,
Speaker 3: but one day rescued probably would be on that in
Speaker 3: some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I would be pulled, I would not figure
Speaker 2: out that I was in a rope.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, yeah probably yeah.
Speaker 3: So anyway, that was my first one. I learned how
Speaker 3: to swim, and then I really only ever swim when
Speaker 3: I'm in my mind I'm going to do a trifle
Speaker 3: in the near future, so kind of every like very
Speaker 3: sporadically go back into the pool. So I did that
Speaker 3: one that was a sprint one, and that was really fun.
Speaker 3: But I trained really hard for that, Like I was.
Speaker 2: Like in apule A lot.
Speaker 3: I did a lot of brick sessions, which is where
Speaker 3: you do a bike and a run after the other
Speaker 3: in a single session.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And then this one.
Speaker 3: I was always going to do a sprint one, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I want to see if I
Speaker 3: can make it for the Olympic distance. So I picked
Speaker 3: up swimming again and started swimming a lot more, maybe
Speaker 3: like twice a week.
Speaker 1: What is what are the Olympic distances for those?
Speaker 2: So it's one point five klumbitter open water. I swim
Speaker 2: and then a forty k by grid in a ten
Speaker 2: game came on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still freaking long.
Speaker 3: Because I was like running and cycling. Like cycling, I
Speaker 3: didn't even train for.
Speaker 1: I guess your day to day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I do en circle as much as I
Speaker 3: used to, but I feel like I've cycled enough in
Speaker 3: my experience to be muscle comfortable with it. And then running,
Speaker 3: I had been running a little bit and that was
Speaker 3: like enough, like a couple of times a week. So
Speaker 3: I kind of was training for the Try, but I
Speaker 3: also wasn't training for the Try. Like I was doing
Speaker 3: all the elements, but not to the distances that I
Speaker 3: probably should have or in the programming that I should have.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was like, you know what, I only have.
Speaker 3: One opportunity to this bloody Try this season because after
Speaker 3: the next one, I'm going to be in Vietnam for
Speaker 3: the wedding.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like, if I do it, I have to
Speaker 2: do either the Janguine or the feed one.
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way I could do the
Speaker 3: jain one, Okay, So it's like I'll just have to
Speaker 3: do the fed one. So four days, five days before
Speaker 3: I signed up for it, and I was like, okay.
Speaker 1: I thought you knew a little bit earlier that you
Speaker 1: were doing.
Speaker 2: No, I was always going to do the March three one.
Speaker 3: The feb eleven one was kind of like a see
Speaker 3: how if I think I can manage it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: So I had swum like up to a kilometer in
Speaker 3: the pool, which is I was like, so good.
Speaker 2: And then when I was in the water.
Speaker 3: When I was in the water in the race, was
Speaker 3: when I decided to reflect on my training seeing if
Speaker 3: I could do it. And I was like, I never
Speaker 3: actually swam at NonStop like i'd be swimming like chatting
Speaker 3: after one hundred meters, chatting.
Speaker 2: After in the condo meters. And I was like, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Also open water versus like I know is very.
Speaker 3: While I'm in open water again, I'm reflecting on my
Speaker 3: open water something experiences, I was like, so I've done
Speaker 3: two oh wow.
Speaker 2: One was that first try and the second was bar
Speaker 2: and heads.
Speaker 3: Was this not open water where I thought I was
Speaker 3: actually gonna die because I had to do backstroke two
Speaker 3: years ago and the only other time I swam more
Speaker 3: than six hundred meters. Actually I've never swum I had
Speaker 3: never swum more than.
Speaker 2: Six hundred meters open water.
Speaker 3: And the only other time I swam six hundred was
Speaker 3: four days before when I tried out the wetsuit that
Speaker 3: I got off Facebook Marketplace Nice.
Speaker 1: Four days before Nice.
Speaker 2: I was like, don't worry, I'm prepared. I don't know
Speaker 2: what in my brain thought I was prepared for this.
Speaker 1: That's a nat How did you get through the self
Speaker 1: doubt like it? I'm going to think about it.
Speaker 3: I genuinely obviously didn't think about it, and that was
Speaker 3: why how I did it. I didn't have time to
Speaker 3: think about it because we had the lunar New Year
Speaker 3: coming up, but a lot of happy year we had,
Speaker 3: like my birthday.
Speaker 2: We just had a lot of things, and so I
Speaker 2: was just training the elements, but not training probably well
Speaker 2: enough for it anyway. But in my mind I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I'd back myself just to finish it anyway, not
Speaker 2: in any special time, but I just knew that I
Speaker 2: could probably just finish it get through. At the minute
Speaker 2: I got on that water, self.
Speaker 1: Doubt, stress, imposter syndrome plus.
Speaker 2: One day rescue on call, like it was just.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm deceased.
Speaker 3: I had had like so I knew I think anyone
Speaker 3: that's done a trithleon kind of knows the feeling of
Speaker 3: going in the water and getting quite highly anxious about
Speaker 3: the things that are happening around you. Like there's a
Speaker 3: lot of water splashing, a lot of people, everyone's going
Speaker 3: really fast, you can't see the bottom of the water.
Speaker 2: So I had practiced a little bit in past.
Speaker 3: Like the last probably open water swim that I did
Speaker 3: really honing into like relaxing and being like you can't
Speaker 3: have to find a meditative state in a sense, particularly
Speaker 3: if you're not a strong swimmer. Yeah, so everyone jumps
Speaker 3: in and they're like fast and I was like one two.
Speaker 1: One, Mississippi, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, it's not working because everyone I was so
Speaker 3: everyone was going so fast and I look up and
Speaker 3: everyone's like and then the girl next to me, I
Speaker 3: was like trying to keep up with her, and she
Speaker 3: was in such a she wasn't even wearing a wet suit.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, you guys are amazing.
Speaker 3: So I'm really really trying hard to get it into
Speaker 3: a rhythm and I just can't, Like I just can't count,
Speaker 3: I can't slow down, I can't like everything's like really stressful.
Speaker 1: So you don't get stressed either, like you're not really
Speaker 1: a stress head.
Speaker 3: No, it's a different experience being stressed out there because
Speaker 3: you can't catch your breath.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you get under water. Yeah. So it took
Speaker 2: me three hundred hole meters to find a state where
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Like I got this, I'm not trowning.
Speaker 3: So I finally one two three, like one two three,
Speaker 3: one two three. I look up the group behind me
Speaker 3: is lapping me. So now there's more like fluffing.
Speaker 2: So I was like distrusting to be kind of again,
Speaker 2: and I do another three hundred anyway, so it's that
Speaker 2: by five hundred meters, I was like, my manchi, was
Speaker 2: you finish when you feel well?
Speaker 1: I was like, like, just don't drown it pretty much well,
Speaker 1: so I swam as well as like like I actually
Speaker 1: swam frees o the whole way.
Speaker 2: I thought I would have had to go backstroke or whatever.
Speaker 3: I didn't think I was truly going to drown, but
Speaker 3: I definitely was like I can't swim any faster than this,
Speaker 3: and I thought that was.
Speaker 2: Fast except the so I was f group. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Q is coming back to me right now.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is terrible.
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, And I had.
Speaker 3: Kept having to think, like I really kept having to
Speaker 3: be like, you can't catch up to them, don't feel
Speaker 3: like you can't catch with them, don't feel like you
Speaker 3: have to catch up to them.
Speaker 1: To just run your own r Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had to really just be like, get there when
Speaker 2: you want to get there, it's fine.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: And the other thing was I got my period the morning.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh my god, I can't back. You texted me that.
Speaker 1: I was like, are you joking? It was a tragedy.
Speaker 2: It was true tragedy. I did.
Speaker 3: I thought I may, but my period, like I kind
Speaker 3: of can know approximate time, but I never know the
Speaker 3: exact date. And I just had a feeling it was
Speaker 3: going to come on that day and I did my
Speaker 3: first pooh, fine, second pooh.
Speaker 2: I was there when you did do first Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I was fine, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just in case anyone wanted to know who was there,
Speaker 1: I was in the toilet.
Speaker 2: Breakfast yeah. And then second three, I was like no.
Speaker 3: And for me, recently, my day once have gotten much
Speaker 3: more increasingly like crampy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really uncomfortable. Yeah, like I don't ever take pain mads.
Speaker 2: You know this yeah, and I kind of have to
Speaker 2: take painmads.
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's like, oh, this is gonna be the worst.
Speaker 3: So anyway, my partner's out there, so supportive, so great.
Speaker 3: The tracker on there obviously is just going by the
Speaker 3: time of like the of the group or something, because
Speaker 3: I don't think in the water they can really e
Speaker 3: gauge what time. And the tracker says that I'm done
Speaker 3: in like twenty five minutes, and so she's wet, and
Speaker 3: so she's like texting my other friend casping like it
Speaker 3: says that she's done. Do you think she's done? And
Speaker 3: cast gooes, how long has it been? And she goes
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes because like absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Because like other people from my group are finishing, and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: She She's like, I know, and she's not there forty.
Speaker 2: Five minutes to do this stupid swim.
Speaker 1: That's too good that you did it. Well.
Speaker 2: I was very proud.
Speaker 1: I was like open water swim at all. Its very amazing,
Speaker 1: very like I.
Speaker 3: Was like, you know what, just and I was like
Speaker 3: when I did my final turn, I was like so
Speaker 3: happy with myself.
Speaker 2: I'm so proud.
Speaker 3: This is very seasy A yeah, The only time was
Speaker 3: when I was swimming and I thought I was having
Speaker 3: a good, like little spiel of swimming. So, yeah, I
Speaker 3: feels so strong over and I look over and this
Speaker 3: is like probably middle aged woman doing breaststroke like lapping me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's like when you do the
Speaker 1: Mother's Day Classic and it's like four k's and you're like,
Speaker 1: haven't had a kid and your pelvis is totally fine
Speaker 1: and youthful, and you're going up the and a stry
Speaker 1: and them with hill and the mom with like the twins,
Speaker 1: he's also pregnant. It's like going fast.
Speaker 2: Year.
Speaker 3: I was like, I actually can't swim faster than this.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I finish that and then the rest was like
Speaker 2: a really there was other there's elements, and there's always
Speaker 2: elements in a try that aren't gonna be favorable. There
Speaker 2: was winds, like quite intense wins.
Speaker 3: On the ride from baby fighting, from me fighting, from
Speaker 3: people in front of me fighting.
Speaker 2: The transition.
Speaker 3: It was really long, but I I, yeah, I was
Speaker 3: really comfortable in the bike, which I thought. I actually
Speaker 3: thought I would not. I would struggle more on the
Speaker 3: bike because I often probably were an overconfident on the bike.
Speaker 2: But it was a really nice ride. I know.
Speaker 3: I that's the one thing. I also have ridden that
Speaker 3: route a bajillion times. Yeah, okay, so I knew the
Speaker 3: route like in all of its undulations, but I didn't
Speaker 3: know the ok.
Speaker 1: Okay, the devils whatever. Anyway, it was undulating. Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't understand. You wouldn't even know you're you know, you
Speaker 1: didn't do English language at Macrov whatever.
Speaker 2: Anyway, and then the run.
Speaker 3: Also never done that route before, but I backed myself
Speaker 3: on the run. Also, I wasn't trying to beat any
Speaker 3: time special time on kind of.
Speaker 2: But it was thirty degrees. It was that Sunday.
Speaker 1: I thought it was such a hot day.
Speaker 2: It was such a hot day.
Speaker 1: I tried to get up the stairs, and I called
Speaker 1: it was disgusting. I walked up stairs.
Speaker 2: The most fun thing was just like all my friends
Speaker 2: came to watch.
Speaker 3: So anytime I went past the specific spot, they were
Speaker 3: like obnoxiously.
Speaker 1: Loud to the point where I was like other friends
Speaker 1: or my other friends. I mean, I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: No, you were trying to get up the stairs, that's
Speaker 2: where you were.
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I really enjoyable experience. Well not be able
Speaker 3: to swim, but whenever we got it done, so.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It was it was really fun and so many themes
Speaker 1: of like the psychology of getting through something. It's so
Speaker 1: much more in your brain than like your body for
Speaker 1: so many things like obviously you have to train physically,
Speaker 1: but like you'll you're what do they say your brain
Speaker 1: will give up way before your body will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think because I didn't have any pressure
Speaker 3: and I genuinely don't, like, I don't ever really.
Speaker 1: Go I need to win.
Speaker 2: Do you get nervous?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't really do nervous poohs
Speaker 3: ever because I don't ever have a time.
Speaker 1: I love how you're like people ask me if I'm nervous,
Speaker 1: I don't do nervous poos. As if poo were even
Speaker 1: part of that question whatsoever, It's implied nothingulation of the
Speaker 1: ground meant who was involved?
Speaker 2: You did not even you don't even speak the enemies anyway.
Speaker 2: That was the try summary.
Speaker 1: But we don't have to get to forty one minutes
Speaker 1: so far.
Speaker 2: Question this questions to be fast fire?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, always very slow fire, but we did do questions.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and do fast fire because like
Speaker 1: my pelvis can't sit on the forner.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I did also have one more segment I
Speaker 3: wanted to bring in because fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was I'll do this before the questions.
Speaker 3: Actually, and it's for you to think about for the time.
Speaker 3: What did your parents tell you? Yeah, was like illegal
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: That to love question and it's definitely when you're driving
Speaker 1: in the car and you turn on the light, they're like,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely crash and police will pull you over. I
Speaker 1: thought i'd die.
Speaker 3: Dad was like, it's illegal to cross your arms when
Speaker 3: you when you turn the steering wheel.
Speaker 2: Oh, like the cross Yeah.
Speaker 1: He fully was like actually, actually, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's illegal. I don't think it's illegal.
Speaker 1: But my other one was like if you eat before
Speaker 1: you swim, like if you eat within thirty minutes of swimming,
Speaker 1: like your vomit or something something about eating and swimming.
Speaker 1: And then oh, there's so many.
Speaker 2: Think about that.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Okay, guys, submit yours for next
Speaker 1: time because we'll do that next time. We also have
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to your Portland family because
Speaker 1: you irresponsibly did not shout them out last time. This
Speaker 1: is a very important segment of the neighborhood guys concentrate.
Speaker 2: I have never gotten those eyes before.
Speaker 1: Mode. I'm also wearing a striped linen and mum glass
Speaker 1: mum pants and mum ear rings, and I have glasses
Speaker 1: in my hair before Angelina. Yes, shout out your Portland
Speaker 1: family out.
Speaker 3: No, we when we were rehash wanted we've done recently and
Speaker 3: I had just come back from an amazing trip to
Speaker 3: my favorite family in Portland, which your.
Speaker 1: Favorite family in Portland is one sentence because you can't
Speaker 1: say favorite family because.
Speaker 2: Then we're going to like my life, I love my dream.
Speaker 1: And also Nic will kick you right out because he
Speaker 1: gets upset when you have other friends. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: He literally gets upset.
Speaker 2: He's like, who's Molly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who fuck is Molly?
Speaker 2: Who is that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why are you going to her place?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Like you live here?
Speaker 2: She's my sister?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, they are the couple who It's probably
Speaker 3: one of my favorite friendship stories other than ours with
Speaker 3: the toilet cubicle. When I was eighteen, when I was
Speaker 3: backpacking by my my.
Speaker 1: Sam Sebastian, wasn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I went to San Sebastian on a recommendation and I
Speaker 3: met this couple and they were on their honeymoon and
Speaker 3: they were this Australian couple and really.
Speaker 2: I fully gate crashed the honeymoon. And we met in
Speaker 2: this pub and they said, oh, we're talking about the surf.
Speaker 3: They were like, we're going back to France and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I really wanted to go,
Speaker 3: and they were like wanting to come with, and I
Speaker 3: just thought it was like a drunken offer. And then
Speaker 3: they messaged me on messenger the day after instaid the
Speaker 3: office still there if you wanted.
Speaker 2: So I gate crashed their honeymoon in their motor home.
Speaker 2: They had a motor home. They were going, you're.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so intimate and you're just like hi,
Speaker 1: And then we spent like three two three days together
Speaker 1: there and I sent in this random French and the camping.
Speaker 3: Spot and like, like, looking back, it's so funny because
Speaker 3: they were like, we're going to get muscles on the marina,
Speaker 3: and I was there. They have these beautiful muscles in
Speaker 3: the sunset.
Speaker 1: On the Marina's cute, romantic and then there's me and
Speaker 1: I was a good training became friends with us.
Speaker 3: I knew that's what was so good at it, and
Speaker 3: then like everything we just did together us three. They
Speaker 3: were like, oh, do you want us to drive you
Speaker 3: to Pampalona And I was like, no, I've already missed
Speaker 3: a flight to Portugal. And then we didn't really and
Speaker 3: that's all I saw of them three days in sanz
Speaker 3: Bastian and then that was kind of it. And we
Speaker 3: had had each other's on socials and then three years
Speaker 3: ago I was like, I knew they'd come back to
Speaker 3: Melbourne and they lived on the surf coast and like
Speaker 3: you know when you just like like people's stories and stuff.
Speaker 3: So that was the kind of relationship we had. Hadn't
Speaker 3: really caught up otherwise. And then yeah, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I do you know a place I can stay? And
Speaker 3: they're like, well, you can come to our beach.
Speaker 1: I like, is that when we got in the van?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was when you guys got me the juicy van.
Speaker 1: Well I thought you'd been in touch with them before that.
Speaker 3: Like only very briefly, like you know every time you
Speaker 3: get a random memory. Yeah, yeah, the only in touch
Speaker 3: I was really with them was to ask them.
Speaker 1: The only intern just spat on it.
Speaker 2: Yep, again, you didn't do this language.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: Grandma, your mum.
Speaker 1: It's baby Brian.
Speaker 2: And then they have they have.
Speaker 3: This amazing block on the beach where I think Renee
Speaker 3: bought it when he was really young.
Speaker 2: But I don't even know how to describe it unless
Speaker 2: you see it. It's it's genuinely everyone follows you block
Speaker 2: of brass on the beach.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, no cliff to walk down to the beach.
Speaker 3: It's like a private beach pretty much. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: a beautiful beach anyway. And then they've recently built a
Speaker 3: little temporary house on there. And then we went up
Speaker 3: for three days and I was like, this is paradise.
Speaker 2: This is the life.
Speaker 1: And then we met their friend.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I called ash Ash. Was pretending to not
Speaker 3: fan girl, but she's definitely.
Speaker 1: She's in the neighborhood and we love ash Ash. It
Speaker 1: was so lovely to meet you on faith time.
Speaker 2: And yeah, as also like the kids lived the best life.
Speaker 2: We woke up, they had breakfast, they walk over the
Speaker 2: like the hill is like one percent grade, and then
Speaker 2: they're undulating. Not again, no undulation. You are so slow
Speaker 2: these days. And yeah, and then they and the kids
Speaker 2: they just go on the water. So the morning we
Speaker 2: were like before nine o'clock they've done a kayak. Can
Speaker 2: they take to swim? Maybe I swim and like many
Speaker 2: like mini sir, like the life out there was just so.
Speaker 1: We love you.
Speaker 2: We love you a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have three minutes now to do all that.
Speaker 2: Questions. Okay, well that's very fast. Five ye don't worry.
Speaker 1: Okay, medium questions from the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to go through it.
Speaker 1: Okay, we haven't categorized, like we know.
Speaker 2: Do you have the line on your belly line niagra?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called linear nigra. It's like this weird I
Speaker 1: think it's light and that means black line. I kind
Speaker 1: of have it. It's just this random line.
Speaker 2: Can you say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought everyone has it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if everyone gets it. Some people get
Speaker 1: it really dark. It looks like it's hair, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's just like this random dark line down the live
Speaker 1: your stomach that you get during pregnancy. Yeah, I do,
Speaker 1: but it's not super dark.
Speaker 2: It's also crooked shut puck up.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I noticed that it's crooked and my belly button is
Speaker 1: off center and it really really out.
Speaker 2: That's me.
Speaker 1: My OCD is like, I can't, I can't. It all
Speaker 1: needs to be symmetrical, and it's not.
Speaker 2: Don't look, it's not.
Speaker 1: I'm hiding it. Yes, I do have a lildia negro.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the purpose of it is, but yeah, okay, neither.
Speaker 2: How cool?
Speaker 3: Next for fuss By, Yeah, how will you manage the podcast?
Speaker 3: I want you to rest and enjoy pregnancy, but also
Speaker 3: we'll miss it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's really lovely? Was it you who submitted that question?
Speaker 2: More underscore Anna?
Speaker 1: And Yeah, she's a beautiful French friend who I met
Speaker 1: through Eliza, our wonderful yoga teacher and one of my
Speaker 1: oldest and dearest friends. So we are obviously already not
Speaker 1: managing it very well, since we done two episodes in
Speaker 1: like three weeks. But I actually think because we can
Speaker 1: do online, because we can do it at home, because
Speaker 1: we can do it when the baby's here, I think
Speaker 1: the plan is obviously not to necessarily do weekly like
Speaker 1: we have been doing in the past years, where we're
Speaker 1: very organized, But I think we'll just keep going as
Speaker 1: much as we can, like as when we can, we'll
Speaker 1: do a little updates. I definitely want to do the
Speaker 1: birth story as soon as we can, kind of record
Speaker 1: after that, Q and A do little updates. We have
Speaker 1: a couple of guests coming up before the baby's born.
Speaker 1: One is probably going to be a live event, but
Speaker 1: a live online event so you can ask questions interactively,
Speaker 1: which is very useful in the lead up to the baby.
Speaker 1: Another one of the guests for International Women's Day is
Speaker 1: not related to pregnancy. So yes, we'll be keeping up
Speaker 1: with it, but just more flexibly and probably less rigidly
Speaker 1: in terms of schedule.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, so you'll get a podcast once a year,
Speaker 3: Yeah for first five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fast five years. Yeah, we're locked into a contract
Speaker 1: with and for one episode per year until twenty thirty five.
Speaker 2: That's my contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we kind of answered this one. But
Speaker 3: in the start, how do you find exercising when pregnant?
Speaker 3: I feel so guilty not keeping it up at twenty weeks.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so hard because your body really is just
Speaker 1: going through so much and I had I've really struggled
Speaker 1: to let go of I've been really regular and felt
Speaker 1: really fit and strong kind of just before we got pregnant,
Speaker 1: and then I was so nauseous and sick. I didn't
Speaker 1: exercise at all, like barely even walked for the first trimester.
Speaker 1: And then in the second trimester you kind of get
Speaker 1: energy back, but you still it's not the same as before.
Speaker 1: So I personally have not had a great exercise regime
Speaker 1: during this pregnancy, and I found the guilt really hard
Speaker 1: to let go of earlier. But then the more you
Speaker 1: remind yourself, in fact, anytime, any routine or or commitment
Speaker 1: you had before pregnancy isn't going the way you planned,
Speaker 1: just have to remind yourself you are growing a human
Speaker 1: being from scratch in your own body. That is a
Speaker 1: marathon every day. Like it's literally scientifically proven to be
Speaker 1: the same weight on your body as like running a marathon.
Speaker 1: So you've got enough going on.
Speaker 2: That's rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's so much energy expenditure and exercise. If
Speaker 1: that's not something you can keep up with, Like it's
Speaker 1: good to move and walk to sort of get your
Speaker 1: blood flowing, Like that's healthy for the baby and for you.
Speaker 1: But in terms of like if you're not training, don't
Speaker 1: be hard on yourself you're you're burning enough energy.
Speaker 2: Totally. I feel like.
Speaker 3: If you exercise for the feeling of feeling good, that's
Speaker 3: different to feel like you need to just say because
Speaker 3: in pregnancy that's yeah, I feel like keeping it up
Speaker 3: because you've just as a feel good thing, then probably
Speaker 3: be better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, presume.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and your body will tell you, like if if
Speaker 1: you have enough energy to work out, then work out.
Speaker 1: If you don't have enough energy to work out, there's
Speaker 1: a reason. So don't push through because you just think
Speaker 1: you shouldn't you feel bad?
Speaker 3: Another question about and we separated to pregnancy and then
Speaker 3: real time cateorizations. Honestly, that's why they pay me the
Speaker 3: medium dollars. Yeah, I know you meditate and try to
Speaker 3: keep Yeah, I know you meditate and try to keep
Speaker 3: a mental health routine bracket. I'm reading your book again,
Speaker 3: but can you tell us your routine If your routine
Speaker 3: changed with pregnancy, do you do more?
Speaker 2: Do you less mercy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Great question, and I think it's it's definitely changed, and
Speaker 1: probably for the same as exercise. It's changed in that
Speaker 1: because you're just feeling so different and every week is
Speaker 1: different and you can't predict how you're going to feel
Speaker 1: week to week. My routine has gone out the window
Speaker 1: with most things, so didn't exercise much. I used to
Speaker 1: meditate really regularly and in a structured way. I did
Speaker 1: vading meditation. I have totally dropped that during the pregnancy
Speaker 1: because I just felt so sick. I was waking up
Speaker 1: at different times, sleeping at different times, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: found it really had to stick to things consistently as
Speaker 1: so much is changing around you. But in a weird way,
Speaker 1: I've kind of been more meditative because I've been less structured,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I've been more present in each
Speaker 1: day because I can't plan that far ahead. So overall
Speaker 1: through the pregnancy, I think I've been a lot more mindful,
Speaker 1: a lot more in the moment, a lot more what
Speaker 1: does my body feel like right now? I check in
Speaker 1: a lot more with my energy levels, which I'm not
Speaker 1: good at doing normally, Like if I'm in a really
Speaker 1: busy week, I will stop and feel that and be
Speaker 1: like I need to cancel some stuff, like I've pushed
Speaker 1: it too far, Whereas I don't usually do that, so
Speaker 1: and I'll meditate more sporadically, so I still do it,
Speaker 1: but I haven't had what I would call like a
Speaker 1: good consistent practice.
Speaker 2: Are you journaling at all?
Speaker 1: Journaling every day?
Speaker 2: Well, that's meditat like mental health.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it comes out. It's come out in different ways.
Speaker 1: And I'm journaling every day mainly because there's so much
Speaker 1: of the pregnancy. And I would highly recommend this for anyone.
Speaker 1: You already know that I journal every time we travel
Speaker 1: and any big kind of life events, but particularly pregnancy,
Speaker 1: you forget how you feel. I already forgot what the
Speaker 1: first trimester was like, and like everything changes so quickly.
Speaker 1: I want I don't remember what week I first felt
Speaker 1: him kick, Like I'm not going to remember that without
Speaker 1: writing it down. So I feel like it's even if
Speaker 1: you just keep dot points every day, it's so nice
Speaker 1: to have a record of what it felt like at
Speaker 1: the time when the emotions are fresh, because then you
Speaker 1: can look back and be like, how exciting was it
Speaker 1: the first time he moved or the first this scan
Speaker 1: or the first of that, because you're not going to
Speaker 1: remember but those details. Yeah, but it allows you to
Speaker 1: just like even the diabetes and stuff like, I don't
Speaker 1: remember what I ate unless I wrote it down. So
Speaker 1: to have a record of just this magical nine months
Speaker 1: including the shitty bits like you'll love going back to.
Speaker 2: That totally and if you do have another one, it's good. Yeah, yeah, comparison. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think were one last one from the baby side
Speaker 2: is are you getting the snoo?
Speaker 1: Yes, we have the snow. So the snow is like
Speaker 1: this Miracle Creation, which is a bassinet. You want to
Speaker 1: use a microwave. Guys Nixt making his standard cameo now
Speaker 1: that we're recording downstairs. He wants you you can use
Speaker 1: a microwave.
Speaker 2: Microwave? Have you really that's so nice?
Speaker 1: Normally doesn't Yeah, I know, like last week he was
Speaker 1: on a call the whole time, like talking in the background.
Speaker 2: There's noises.
Speaker 1: Magical Creation, which is a bacinet for the baby. So
Speaker 1: I did not know. You know, everyone does their nursery reveal.
Speaker 2: Yes, your baby.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sleep in the nursery or in a cot for
Speaker 1: a long time, so you don't even need a nursery.
Speaker 3: Them as an official unofficial babysitter for most people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that, but most people don't. I think
Speaker 1: like they think they've got to get their nursery ready,
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like they don't sleep in the cot,
Speaker 1: and I'm like well then why do you what are
Speaker 1: you doing Nicholas.
Speaker 3: Serbray's character more than I.
Speaker 1: Do anyway, So that you use the nursery for changing
Speaker 1: and feeding, but the actual cot they don't sleep. They
Speaker 1: sleep in a basinet when they're small, and often that's
Speaker 1: in your room. So the snow is a bacinet that
Speaker 1: rocks itself, and it's like this magical miracle creation that
Speaker 1: people swear by in the first six months. It's like
Speaker 1: the Mary Poppin's fairy Godmother of babies. Some babies don't
Speaker 1: like it, or it's rocks too viciously or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: but most people have very, very wonderful things to say
Speaker 1: about it. The problem is you have to wean them
Speaker 1: off it and teach them to sleep without the rocking motion.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like putting them in the car anyway. So,
Speaker 1: as you guys know, we've been in the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks all of the preparation for the nursery and
Speaker 1: the baby. In December, I was like, that's a January problem.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, oh no, that October twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, oh my god, shit. So we've
Speaker 1: been living at the memo and picking out our PRAM
Speaker 1: and the PRAM content was great.
Speaker 2: Did you see I saw that the the.
Speaker 1: Pramni bus nick speed testing and all terrain testing the
Speaker 1: PRAM is it?
Speaker 2: No? Seriously though, if I went and running with the PRAM,
Speaker 2: can I run on the prem Yeah?
Speaker 1: You can run with the Prime. Oh you can actually
Speaker 1: get running prams. There is much technology anyway, So we
Speaker 1: got this snow from the memo. I will report back
Speaker 1: because I know some women think it's like a miracle creation.
Speaker 1: Some think their babies don't like it. Who knows. But
Speaker 1: if it gives you even a chance of more sleep, like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it. What is he doing this? Just guys,
Speaker 1: if you want an insight into what our sign is
Speaker 1: going to be like like he lasted, I'm actually proud
Speaker 1: he lasted fifty five minutes before he came down and started.
Speaker 2: Okay, quick fire. Next section is relationship.
Speaker 3: There's only one under this. How did you know you
Speaker 3: do life together with your partner? Did you when you know?
Speaker 3: Did you when you know you're not?
Speaker 2: Watch a question? Watch watch that's the question? Did you
Speaker 2: when you know? You know?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 1: So what was really cute yesterday was our fifteenth Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day together.
Speaker 2: That's like my age, that's your age.
Speaker 1: And I must say, I think we thought we knew,
Speaker 1: Like Nick tried to propose to me like two months later,
Speaker 1: but I was nineteen, so we thought that we like
Speaker 1: found our person and we're going to spend the rest
Speaker 1: of our life together. But like past nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: so I probably didn't actually think that if you told
Speaker 1: me then we'd be having a baby together. Now, I
Speaker 1: probably would have laughed, even though I still did think
Speaker 1: that he was my person.
Speaker 2: When was there was surely a moment.
Speaker 1: Give me, he juston walked his way with his little
Speaker 1: microwave food. I mean, I think you guys can tell
Speaker 1: from how much we share a relationship how silly we are,
Speaker 1: Like our love has always been really silly and fun
Speaker 1: and life will never be boring with Nick. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: our weirdness is really compatible, and that was evident from
Speaker 1: the very beginning. So I think I think, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I always knew, But then of course there's been
Speaker 1: in fifteen years, we've been such different people. And the
Speaker 1: difference couples who stay together and don't is if you
Speaker 1: evolve in compatible ways or have you become people who
Speaker 1: are no longer compatible and it just happens that we've
Speaker 1: evolved in compatible directions, and every time there's been like
Speaker 1: a big new challenge, like where one of us has
Speaker 1: completely changed careers, are completely changed who we are or
Speaker 1: what we're what our goals are in life, that it's
Speaker 1: gone in the same direction.
Speaker 2: Bim.
Speaker 3: I know you were ex law but that was the
Speaker 3: most lawyer response because you didn't answer the questions what
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 1: The moment was the moment?
Speaker 2: Yeah, was there a moment and you're like, wow, weirdness
Speaker 2: is compatible. We've evolved to be compatible and in the
Speaker 2: compatible ways we've evolved compatibly.
Speaker 1: My question. I think it was so we had everything
Speaker 1: going against us when we first started dating. I went
Speaker 1: away on two exchanges that were already booked, so I
Speaker 1: went overseas twice in the first six months, to China
Speaker 1: for six weeks and then to France for a year.
Speaker 1: I was like, bye, I'm going to Europe euro trip,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be single so I wouldn't change
Speaker 1: my Facebook status.
Speaker 2: That was the moment.
Speaker 1: No, the moment was when he was like, I'm at
Speaker 1: Paras Airport. It's like I flew over because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to let go of his relationship because I had
Speaker 1: been like, he's like, change your Facebook status. I'm like no,
Speaker 1: because I was like, we've been together for six months,
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's pause because I'm going on
Speaker 1: a euro trip with my single best friends and we
Speaker 1: want to like go so our wild oats. And I'd
Speaker 1: been in a long term relationship before that anyway, I
Speaker 1: was like, I just want to be single in Europe,
Speaker 1: in St. Trope, we're doing this big trip. And then
Speaker 1: he was like, am at the airport and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love you, okay, but go away.
Speaker 3: But okay, yeah, you just that is the correct Yeah,
Speaker 3: none of this was capability doctor sus Okay, quick to
Speaker 3: three more questions. This is now about more like black
Speaker 3: business job. Oh no, what's your vision emission statement in business?
Speaker 2: In life?
Speaker 3: Come on, you're a quote of the day stuff darks
Speaker 3: and more dreams in ferry every.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I love that one. Well, at the moment,
Speaker 1: my mission statement has become very different because it's very
Speaker 1: like temporal towards a new chapter, and it's very go
Speaker 1: with the flow and that everything unravels at the right time,
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're so ready if we've got
Speaker 1: if we'd be if we'd had a baby when we
Speaker 1: first started trying, which was in COVID like five years ago,
Speaker 1: I would be freaking out. I wouldn't feel as ready
Speaker 1: as I do. I feel. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: the perfect time. I've had such an amazing life pre motherhood.
Speaker 1: I feel so ready for motherhood now. Nick is the same.
Speaker 1: So my life motto is very much like life unravels
Speaker 1: in chapters, and they're all different and they demand different
Speaker 1: versions of you. And in business right now, it's obviously
Speaker 1: my priorities towards work are taking a different form of
Speaker 1: prioritization for the next little while, while I kind of
Speaker 1: focus on family and putting that first for the first
Speaker 1: time in a while. Overall, I think my if I
Speaker 1: had to say one thing to anyone about your personal
Speaker 1: life and your career or both, it's just that it's
Speaker 1: not meant to look like anyone else's. Really, I think
Speaker 1: all of everyone's problems or dissatisfaction or crisis of confidence
Speaker 1: or like whatever it may be, is comparing to what
Speaker 1: other people are doing.
Speaker 2: Comparison is a thief of joy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but literally, it's that you benchmark yourself against what
Speaker 1: like the only person's life you have to live is yours.
Speaker 2: So wise, I've also decided from analysis of your responses
Speaker 2: you respond to everything like you know when you're in
Speaker 2: year five, and there's that narrative breakdown of how to paragraph.
Speaker 3: Yours an introduction, paragraph, one, paragraph to conclusion.
Speaker 2: So overall in summary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my low addition the questions in an ad
Speaker 1: hoc way how to read op points. I con furthermore
Speaker 1: to the undulation of the ground. However, thereby stand by
Speaker 1: stop sign parentheses, ellipsis dot dot.
Speaker 2: Dot relative clauses.
Speaker 3: I can't find a job online. I can't find a
Speaker 3: job online. I'm trying to change careers or anything.
Speaker 2: What do I do?
Speaker 1: That's a really hard one when you're and I feel
Speaker 1: like I need more context of what you're jumping from
Speaker 1: and what you want to jump to. But I think
Speaker 1: my overall advice just when you're in a position where
Speaker 1: you don't have a job and you need a job,
Speaker 1: is that so much of what I talk about is
Speaker 1: finding your joy and finding your passion and uniting what
Speaker 1: you're good at with what you like. But there are
Speaker 1: times in your life where that's not the main question.
Speaker 1: That's not the luxury that you can afford. And the
Speaker 1: temptation is like, don't accept anything less than what you
Speaker 1: love and what you're passionate about. But if you are
Speaker 1: struggling to find a job and you need to pay bills,
Speaker 1: you need stability and certainty and like certain life needs
Speaker 1: met before you can even contemplate what makes you joyful.
Speaker 1: So I think find something that will allow you some
Speaker 1: stability to make decisions later. And I know this sounds terrible. Basically,
Speaker 1: when normally I would say don't settle, I would say,
Speaker 1: just find something that really fits part of your criteria.
Speaker 1: You don't need to wait for the one thing that's perfect.
Speaker 1: If you just need to pay the bills, that's a
Speaker 1: reality of life, and then the yay and the joy
Speaker 1: and the fulfillment that can come later. But find something
Speaker 1: that helps you get kind of a baseline first.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you and I are similarly evolving into
Speaker 3: that mindset of now that we have financial commitments. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a balance of what you need minimum and then
Speaker 3: the once come after.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's a luxury to be able to say,
Speaker 1: seize your ya and find a job you love.
Speaker 2: Because not on this podcasts, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's like the reality is not everyone can find a
Speaker 1: job that they love, and not everyone wants a job
Speaker 1: they love. Sometimes you want your passions to be outside
Speaker 1: of it. Sometimes you have to have your passions outside
Speaker 1: of it. Like, not every joyful job pays well. So
Speaker 1: I think find the job first and then work backwards
Speaker 1: later into integrating joy.
Speaker 3: Last question of the day, how did you get into
Speaker 3: the job you're doing?
Speaker 2: Now? That's like a whole episode myself.
Speaker 1: No, that's like listen to every episode from here backwards.
Speaker 1: That's a hard question in a really roundabout accidental way,
Speaker 1: never planned. It still get surprised by the directions it goes.
Speaker 1: It goes in all the time. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what I do or how to explain it. But I
Speaker 1: think a combination of like staying really open minded, the world,
Speaker 1: I must say lucky timing of the world being like
Speaker 1: evolved enough for us to all have these hybrid jobs
Speaker 1: that didn't exists before, having had amazing support network, lots
Speaker 1: of great mentors and teachers and an amazing family who
Speaker 1: supported me leaving law and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the overall answer is really by a complete accident, yes.
Speaker 3: But not yes, yes, accident, and I don't think accident
Speaker 3: per se.
Speaker 2: I think it was perfect timing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hard work.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, well, I think you built
Speaker 3: a very great foundation with law and your communication skills
Speaker 3: and your personal ability, and.
Speaker 1: Then lots stop.
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, so that is the end of the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm cutting myself off.
Speaker 2: But I did mean that you did work a lot
Speaker 2: to get there.
Speaker 3: And you've made you made amazing networks, not through like
Speaker 3: a you know, networking for network, but networking because you
Speaker 3: met people that you really enjoyed being with and were
Speaker 3: great with them and to them, and then that led
Speaker 3: to another thing. And also you're very open minded with opportunities.
Speaker 3: You're very much like this I've never done before, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to try it.
Speaker 2: Until I try it, I won't know. And then sometimes
Speaker 2: you're really enjoy and sometimes you don't. And then I.
Speaker 3: Feel like that's part of how you've been able to
Speaker 3: kind of do so many different things like radio and
Speaker 3: presenting an MC to authoring a book, to podcasting to
Speaker 3: modeling to like it's all very much.
Speaker 2: Yes, give it a red hot crack.
Speaker 1: And I also think that the best thing you can
Speaker 1: do really is work really hard and build really good
Speaker 1: networks and not necessarily need to know what that's all
Speaker 1: for at the time. Like I've always kind of been
Speaker 1: setting foundations even if I didn't know why, and then
Speaker 1: those things have come to fruition like seven years later,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I didn't even know that going
Speaker 1: to that event and spending a little bit of extra
Speaker 1: time with that person would be important now. So it's
Speaker 1: like you don't need to know the plan all work out,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't need to work out straight away, but
Speaker 1: always be putting things in place suit that working hard
Speaker 1: to put them in place later.
Speaker 3: My favorite client that I ever got to work with
Speaker 3: was the guy that I COUCHSURFD with.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well you know when I was twenty two.
Speaker 1: But then you kept that relationship on good term so
Speaker 1: that then when it could come to fruition to something else,
Speaker 1: it did versus I think some people are quite short
Speaker 1: sighted when they're like, oh, there's nothing in this for
Speaker 1: me now, so like I don't need to keep in
Speaker 1: touch with that person, whereas I'm like, always be laying
Speaker 1: foundations for stuff you don't know who's going to be
Speaker 1: important later and then like the worst thing that can
Speaker 1: happen is it all comes together.
Speaker 2: And just be a good person. Be a good person,
Speaker 2: just like live lave love, live love love, my life,
Speaker 2: my love, my dream. Okay not