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Speaker 3: On Welcome to Mama Mia out Loud, where women come
Speaker 3: to debrief. I am Jesse Stevens, I'm Mia Friedman, and
Speaker 3: i'mm Vernon filling in for Holly and here is what
Speaker 3: is on our agenda for today, Monday, the thirtieth of June.
Speaker 3: The Liberal Party is in a world of pain and
Speaker 3: some people think they know how to fix it. We
Speaker 3: way into the debate that has been going on for
Speaker 3: more than thirty years.
Speaker 1: Jesse came in very hot this morning, desperate to talk
Speaker 1: about the viral documentary that she watched on the weekend,
Speaker 1: which I will never watch. So she's going to tell
Speaker 1: us everything that we need to know about it.
Speaker 2: And are we witnessing the downfall of dating apps? I
Speaker 2: have a lot of personal.
Speaker 1: Feelings, But first, if you were anywhere near the Internet
Speaker 1: on the weekend, you couldn't have missed the site of
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez getting married in Venice.
Speaker 3: I feel like you fell down that rabbit hole. I
Speaker 3: really did.
Speaker 1: I watched it like I would watch an Awards ceremony,
Speaker 1: you know, like the red carpet, but the red carpet
Speaker 1: went on for three days and involved boats.
Speaker 2: So everything I know about this wedding was against my
Speaker 2: consent because I just looked at my Instagram on a
Speaker 2: lovely Saturday morning, and not even just my Instagram, but
Speaker 2: my sub stack feed, my Facebook feed, my group chats.
Speaker 2: Everyone was so obsessed with this wedding. I struggle to
Speaker 2: think so deeply about something that I know no one
Speaker 2: will care about in like a few weeks except for
Speaker 2: the people who are just so so angry about it.
Speaker 3: I was harassed by a wedding to me I wasn't
Speaker 3: invited to, and if I was out a virus, VP
Speaker 3: no thank you?
Speaker 2: Well are you would have gone?
Speaker 1: A lot of people would have VP no thank you,
Speaker 1: but two hundred people said yes please. The groom wore
Speaker 1: new muscles in a spray tann, the bride wore boobs,
Speaker 1: and festivities began with a phone party and ended with
Speaker 1: a pajama and lingerie.
Speaker 3: Hardy guests my personal health well guests.
Speaker 1: Included Oprah, Avunka Trump, Lachlan and Sarah Murdoch, Sydney Sweeney,
Speaker 1: Bill Gates, Leonardo DiCaprio and my favorite description of the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I read a lot over the weekend about it,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people had a lot of feelings.
Speaker 1: My favorite was a series of Kardashians walk down a
Speaker 1: series of jetties wearing a series of ten thousand dollar bras.
Speaker 1: Some more quick numbers. The cost of the wedding was
Speaker 1: rumored to be around fifty million. There were, as I said,
Speaker 1: two hundred guests who arrived on ninety private jets.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a comment on that, Yeah, because I'm
Speaker 3: not a mathematician, but that means that for each private jet, like,
Speaker 3: there's two people of private jet yees.
Speaker 1: So I did that match too, And at first I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: why would they only? But then I remembered the whole
Speaker 1: point of a private jet is that it's private. So
Speaker 1: if you're rich enough to have a private jet, it's
Speaker 1: your jet.
Speaker 3: But private let pool uber pool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I went to a wedding recently. There was a
Speaker 3: bit of a drive. We got a minibus, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. That was like, get a private jet
Speaker 3: and put twenty people on it. But the idea that
Speaker 3: the private jets are landing with two people on them
Speaker 3: I guess it's also their entourage, the hair and makeup.
Speaker 2: Yes to a group of five. I read that those
Speaker 2: two Rivera jets were the same amount of emissions as
Speaker 2: twenty seven thousand cars in one day.
Speaker 3: And I'm not buying any new clothes this year. And
Speaker 3: let me tell you watching that, I just went fuck
Speaker 3: it there.
Speaker 1: Well, you know who did buy some new clothes. Lauren Sanchez.
Speaker 1: She wore twenty seven different outfits, including adult chain ger
Speaker 1: bying a wedding dress that took nine hundred hours to
Speaker 1: make and reportedly cost several one hundred thousand dollars. We
Speaker 1: know this because Vogue covered it. They did a digital
Speaker 1: cover that they dropped over the weekend of her wedding dress,
Speaker 1: which you might have seen was the most covered up
Speaker 1: thing I think she's ever worn. It was very fitted.
Speaker 1: She said she didn't wanted to go bling bling. She
Speaker 1: wanted to be classic. And she said this occurred to
Speaker 1: her after she went up in Space and she said
Speaker 1: she wanted to last minute dress. I know. She said
Speaker 1: she really changed everything after Space because she was good
Speaker 1: to do the traditional sort of mermaid strapless look that
Speaker 1: she wears a lot, where her sort of bezongers are
Speaker 1: out the top and up high. But she said, no,
Speaker 1: I want to be classic and.
Speaker 3: More low key with my dress that took eight hundred
Speaker 3: thousand hours to make and sorry dresses. How many dresses
Speaker 3: did she put on?
Speaker 1: There were about twenty seven. We saw a few wedsses
Speaker 1: like the movie.
Speaker 2: That's why she did it, base change. I have a
Speaker 2: fashion question, please. I know you briefly talked about this
Speaker 2: last week, but is this not a bit of a
Speaker 2: tacky wedding for Vogue to jump on the.
Speaker 1: Vogue thing is really interesting because we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about all the big feelings first, and then we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the scurollous gossip, because yes, it was
Speaker 1: a massive spectacle. And what I noticed the most about
Speaker 1: the coverage is that the people who were upset about
Speaker 1: it were really upset, and there was a weird kind
Speaker 1: of inverted snobbery where a lot of people who aren't
Speaker 1: rich we're turning up their noses and saying that the
Speaker 1: rich people were very tacky, as though there was some
Speaker 1: you know, arbiter of what's good taste and what's bad taste.
Speaker 1: The definition of good taste is just someone who shares
Speaker 1: whatever taste you have, and.
Speaker 3: I read that in terms of the incentive for Vogue
Speaker 3: to do this, a lot of the big designer houses
Speaker 3: are not doing so well at the moment financially right,
Speaker 3: and so you need the zero point zero zero zero
Speaker 3: one percent. Spent a lot of money at them, so
Speaker 3: it was like good publicity for adult chain, Gabana or
Speaker 3: whatever to go look at this dress and basically like
Speaker 3: it's a big ad and they've got to kind of go.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter whether we endorse Lauren Sanchez. She is
Speaker 3: a vehicle now for us to sell our clothes.
Speaker 1: It's not just that though we're talking about it now.
Speaker 1: Something that I've read an interview with Anna Wintour recently,
Speaker 1: and I've read her biography, and it was a big
Speaker 1: weekend for her because she is stepping away from her
Speaker 1: role as editor in chief of Vogue.
Speaker 3: There were some funny jokes that were like, she put
Speaker 3: Laurence Sanchez on the cover of Vogue, and.
Speaker 1: People were really snobby in the same way that they
Speaker 1: were very snobby the first time she put the cut
Speaker 1: Ashians on the cover. I've read an interview with her
Speaker 1: where she talks about being on a plane and she
Speaker 1: was flying somewhere and sitting next to a man who
Speaker 1: was talking about I can't remember who was at the time,
Speaker 1: but it was a particular celebrity, and he said, oh, she'd
Speaker 1: never be on the cover of Vogue because that's just
Speaker 1: you know, that wouldn't be what Vogue is. And she said,
Speaker 1: I landed, and I booked that person straight away, because
Speaker 1: if someone's in the cultural conversation, the only way for
Speaker 1: these legacy media brands like Vogue to stay relevant is
Speaker 1: to be part of the cultural conversation. You don't have
Speaker 1: to agree with it, but if everybody's talking about Lauren Sanchez, yeah,
Speaker 1: Vogue got the scoop.
Speaker 3: See I could baland the TACKI conversation quite telling or interesting, right,
Speaker 3: because I was probably one of those people who felt
Speaker 3: sick watching this unfold over the weekend. The display of wealth,
Speaker 3: the vulgarity of the whole thing, the private jets. I
Speaker 3: found that horrific. But it's like, what, so if her
Speaker 3: dress was less tacky. I don't have a single opinion
Speaker 3: on that dress. I don't care about the dress at all.
Speaker 3: But if the dress was less tacky, then we could
Speaker 3: justify the exorbitant costs, Like I think our issue is
Speaker 3: with the money, and we have to place this within
Speaker 3: the context of a US right now that is giving
Speaker 3: tax breaks to billionaires at a time when they are
Speaker 3: wanting to cut health care for working people. That's why
Speaker 3: this event sort of transcended everything and kind of was
Speaker 3: so significant in the zeitgeist. I think that people horrified
Speaker 3: by billionaires and it felt as though it was being
Speaker 3: rubbed in our faces. It felt like the Hunger Games,
Speaker 3: where you've got these really rich people going. I know
Speaker 3: there's a cost of living crisis and you guys can
Speaker 3: barely afford rent right now, but I'm gonna wear this
Speaker 3: dress and come on my private jet. And it was
Speaker 3: this ekey like was it felt so tone deaf, but
Speaker 3: it felt intentional. It felt like an intentional performance of
Speaker 3: just like we are has and we want the have nots.
Speaker 2: I think you're completely right. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people get tacky mixed up with loud yes. For me, like,
Speaker 2: back in my day, I never I didn't know a
Speaker 2: single billionaire, and now I know so many of them. Personally,
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything, but I didn't know a name
Speaker 2: of a single billionaire, and now I know so many
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: So which billionaires do you know what other billionaires do
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 2: I know Musk, I know Gates, it's JK Rowling. Still
Speaker 2: wantld did she donate that away?
Speaker 3: She did donate some. That's a good point yeeah.
Speaker 1: Do you know who has donated almost twenty billion dollars
Speaker 1: over the last few years is Mackenzie Bezos? Yeh, first
Speaker 1: wife of Jess.
Speaker 2: Is she still a billionaire?
Speaker 1: Though she still is because she got a lot more
Speaker 1: than that, Yeah, so you know her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it almost felt like if you're a billionaire,
Speaker 2: you had to kind of be a bit embarrassed about it,
Speaker 2: like you didn't want that many people to know, and
Speaker 2: you didn't want you were just really secretive about your money.
Speaker 2: And now you have these guys who, like, we know
Speaker 2: that the phone for the phone party helicopped it in
Speaker 2: because they had photographers, yea. Or the phone party. They
Speaker 2: want you to know every single part of what went
Speaker 2: on during that weekend exactly.
Speaker 3: Don't you find that part a little bit ugly?
Speaker 1: Mayn well to play Devil's advocate. People have always had
Speaker 1: over the top weddings, and not just rich people, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of people of all different socioeconomic groups. Have
Speaker 1: always spent a huge amount of money compared to perhaps
Speaker 1: what they could otherwise do with that money on weddings,
Speaker 1: so that's not new. Also, rich people have always been rich.
Speaker 1: They've always had fancy things, they've had fancy jewelry, they've
Speaker 1: had ostentatious displays of their wealth. Now we're certainly seeing
Speaker 1: a reaction to the quiet luxury movement of the last
Speaker 1: few years. And that's what's so in a way fascinating
Speaker 1: to me about this. And it's not that I don't
Speaker 1: share your feelings, Jesse, but it's more the flagrant display.
Speaker 1: I find that interesting and I think.
Speaker 2: That it's no shame.
Speaker 1: No, there was always the sense of if you were
Speaker 1: really wealthy, it was very tacky to show displays of
Speaker 1: your wealth. That's what's quiet luxury. That's why it's always
Speaker 1: been something that you do behind closed doors, and that's
Speaker 1: more sheic. But the world has also changed. Firstly, you've
Speaker 1: got Donald Trump in charge, and he likes the gold toilet,
Speaker 1: and he likes everything gold, and even the whole Maga
Speaker 1: beauty ideal. It's not minimalist, and so I find that interesting.
Speaker 1: And I also find something about Lauren Sanchez interesting in
Speaker 1: that she genuinely isn't trying to impress and a winter
Speaker 1: really you know, like she has got a certain aesthetic
Speaker 1: that she likes, which is boobs out, huge amount of work, plastic, fantastic.
Speaker 1: She owns that she's not trying to be someone that
Speaker 1: she's not. If anything, he has changed to meet her
Speaker 1: kind of aesthetic, and he's now you know, jacked and
Speaker 1: fake tanned. And what struck me most about the picture
Speaker 1: that they posted. It was also so interesting to me
Speaker 1: that she wiped her Instagram clean and changed her handle
Speaker 1: to Lauren Sanchez Bezos.
Speaker 2: Like an hour after yeah, at.
Speaker 1: Like an album release, like talk about a rebranding, and
Speaker 1: then just had that photo. And the photo that they
Speaker 1: released of the two of them, what struck me was
Speaker 1: that neither of them were looking at each other, and
Speaker 1: he was so airbrushed and filtered he looked like a fetus.
Speaker 1: It was really interesting, Like I found the whole thing
Speaker 1: just a really rich text.
Speaker 3: It is such a rich text, but it just says
Speaker 3: a lot about where we are. And I don't think
Speaker 3: that you can subtract the Trump element, right because Bezos,
Speaker 3: let's remember, donated a million dollars to Trump, who is
Speaker 3: now rounding up immigrants in the US and deporting them,
Speaker 3: and so to see the celebrities, And I've grappled with
Speaker 3: this all weekend, where the celebrities attending a wedding is
Speaker 3: a tacit endorsement of the bride and groom and everything
Speaker 3: they believe. Because I'm sure I've been to weddings where
Speaker 3: I don't know how they voted. I don't know what
Speaker 3: they do in their spare time. But you can't go
Speaker 3: to Jeff Bezos's wedding and not know he's the Amazon dude.
Speaker 1: But what if he's a nice person. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about the business side of what he does. That's a
Speaker 1: different thing. And what if by all accounts that I
Speaker 1: hear from anybody who knows anybody who knows Lauren Sanchez
Speaker 1: is that she's a really good time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I supp it's like I should be a good time.
Speaker 3: I just saw a lot of conflicting ideologies. In one place,
Speaker 3: I found Oprah's presence unusual. I found Leonardo Dicaprioj, I know,
Speaker 3: has done an enormous amount for climate change. And you've
Speaker 3: got the stark contrast in our image, you know, based
Speaker 3: media of wildfires in Europe right now, which are climate
Speaker 3: change related. And then you've got what is descending upon Venice.
Speaker 3: You have the Amazon, like what that has done to
Speaker 3: the environment, to fossil fuels, to all of it. And
Speaker 3: then for Leonardo.
Speaker 1: DiCaprio to rie Co sign I know all the values
Speaker 1: of the bride and groom. Every time you're invited to
Speaker 1: a wedding.
Speaker 3: I wonder if you do you are in the spectacle
Speaker 3: in the way that they are.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't there be more dangerous if they didn't go? Just
Speaker 2: as we've seen the election and how much of these
Speaker 2: guys contributed to the election. These guys have all these
Speaker 2: celebrities in their pocket. Like if I was a Leonardo DiCaprio,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, this guy could like shut down
Speaker 2: my next movie. I have to go.
Speaker 3: And I also wondered, if I'm Leonardo DiCaprio and I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get funding and save this animal from going extinct,
Speaker 3: then Bezos's money is injecting a lot into that right now.
Speaker 3: Because remember I had to go deep because I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to know how Leo and Jeff know each other.
Speaker 3: This is my Roman empire, A weaken I remembered, do
Speaker 3: you remember a clip from years ago at an event,
Speaker 3: we don't know what the event was, and Laurence Sanchez
Speaker 3: is between Jeff and Leo and she's looking at Leo
Speaker 3: like she's trying to kiss him, like she's just enamored.
Speaker 3: And then Jeff Bezos tweeted and was like, hey, Leo,
Speaker 3: want to hang out And it was a thing about.
Speaker 1: A cliff didn't remember that.
Speaker 3: So they go to a lot of events stuff together.
Speaker 3: The one I can't work out is Sydney Sweeney. That
Speaker 3: is just I can't work that.
Speaker 1: That's a bit of a mystery. I'd like to move
Speaker 1: to scarless gossip. Briefly, what was she doing there?
Speaker 2: Can someone come up?
Speaker 1: She's with Ai, a twenty six year old up and
Speaker 1: coming actress. It's unclear whether she's connected to the bride
Speaker 1: or the groom. And what was interesting to me is
Speaker 1: that with two hundred people, they had a guest list
Speaker 1: of two hundred because they said they wanted it to
Speaker 1: be intimate. And people have rolled their eyes about two
Speaker 1: hundred being intimate. But when you two adult people, both
Speaker 1: on your second marriages, with grown up children, even just
Speaker 1: your families, would you know, blow out the guest list
Speaker 1: and various business people and friends you've accumulated through your life.
Speaker 3: I wonder if they said two hundred and it became
Speaker 3: three hundred. Yeah, because the amount of celebrities that's true.
Speaker 2: I don't know whis people forget?
Speaker 1: Is that did she hook up with Tom Brady?
Speaker 2: Well, weddings have a specific job, like the bride and groom.
Speaker 2: Their job is not only to get married, but they
Speaker 2: owe it to their single friends to set them up.
Speaker 2: Because a single person is there at a wedding. They've
Speaker 2: done all the like, hey, do you need help dressing
Speaker 2: up the table? Do you need help organizing the hotel?
Speaker 2: And there'll be one single person there. I reckon it
Speaker 2: had been like Jeff's cousin who's been single for his
Speaker 2: whole life. Yeah, and he's like, don't I man, I've
Speaker 2: got you. I'm gonna invite all of these girls for
Speaker 2: you to meet to Sydney Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: That's where Sydney came in. And there was theories that
Speaker 3: they paid people to come. I don't think they had
Speaker 3: to pay people to come. But is it a coincidence
Speaker 3: that Orlando Bloom had this in the calendar and he went,
Speaker 3: I'm going to relaunch at the wedding, because I think
Speaker 3: there's going.
Speaker 1: To be just a few days confirming that he'd split
Speaker 1: from Katy Perry, which is interesting because Katy Perry was
Speaker 1: at the bachelorette do in Paris for Lauren Sanchez went
Speaker 1: up in space of course, starting her astronaut career, but
Speaker 1: she's in Australia so she couldn't make it. And they
Speaker 1: obviously hang out together quite a lot.
Speaker 3: As a couple, exactly, and Orlando when they were a couple,
Speaker 3: he seemed to have a good time.
Speaker 1: Did he get custody of the couple Sanchez?
Speaker 3: I believe from reports and because I think we've all
Speaker 3: got to agree that the best part about a wedding,
Speaker 3: put that aside is the next day. It's when you
Speaker 3: wake up and you go who hooked up with her?
Speaker 3: What happened? What Auntie picked a fight with that person?
Speaker 3: Orlando had a glow, he did He's like with someone.
Speaker 3: I don't know who it was, but I believe that
Speaker 3: Sydney and Tom Brady definitely something happened there. They were
Speaker 3: walking around Venice the next day together. Orlando was kind
Speaker 3: of like coming. I think he also maybe liked to
Speaker 3: see me.
Speaker 1: Both Sydney Sweeney and Tom Brady know the value of
Speaker 1: a good pet walk. They do, and so if they
Speaker 1: had actually hooked up, I don't know. I think that
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't have done that pet pork. I think
Speaker 1: the papwork was pretty calculated and worked very effectively.
Speaker 3: Won both Derif Oprah had to come because Gail had
Speaker 3: to go because of the time eleven minutes in space,
Speaker 3: Opra doesn't have to do any So then I feel
Speaker 3: like Gayale was like, Oprah, please, I don't want to
Speaker 3: go on my own.
Speaker 2: Well, she's the automatic plus one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's I think that she's the plus one.
Speaker 1: I really looked like she was having a great time.
Speaker 3: She did, and I also know that like Lauren Sanchez's cousin,
Speaker 3: who is I see as myself right went what the
Speaker 3: fuck do I wear to this wedding? And then she
Speaker 3: was like Sidney Sweeney's coming, She's like, what the fuck
Speaker 3: do I want?
Speaker 1: Like, well, Jesse, it's funny you should say that because
Speaker 1: the guests weren't told anything about any of the events
Speaker 1: for security reasons, so it was just like you've got
Speaker 1: to be here at this time. You'll be picked up
Speaker 1: from your hotel, and that's kind of all they were told,
Speaker 1: but they were given mood boards because there was a
Speaker 1: series events over the three days. The mood board.
Speaker 2: You would have loved that outfit.
Speaker 3: Which I wouldn't have understood, but that's incredibly helpful.
Speaker 1: That's why all the guests kind of were dressed similar
Speaker 1: for each.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to read a mood book.
Speaker 2: I definitely know Kim Cuttsian and wa what you wanted?
Speaker 2: Did not see the mood.
Speaker 1: She's her own mood board, But did you see? I
Speaker 1: loved the bit where they all had to wobble on
Speaker 1: and off jetties. That was great.
Speaker 2: Some of them are like being lifted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them weren't that thrilled about that?
Speaker 3: Can I get a private jet to my job?
Speaker 1: Just the Kardashians alone, I think were about ten people,
Speaker 1: which is what ten people in two hundred? Someone do
Speaker 1: the mass that's like five percent five percent with Kardashians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone should have done the matter.
Speaker 3: In a moment. Does the Liberal Party need quotas for women?
Speaker 3: And the viral documentary I watched so you don't have to.
Speaker 4: We must be a liberal party that is proudly for
Speaker 4: women and made up of women. Our party must pre
Speaker 4: select more women in winnable seats so that we see
Speaker 4: more Liberal women in federal Parliament.
Speaker 3: The Liberal Party in Australia, we know, not only lost
Speaker 3: women in this year's election, but kind of lost everyone.
Speaker 3: Liberal Party leader Susan Lee says she will be as
Speaker 3: zelot for women's representation in the party, but says she
Speaker 3: is agnostic about how they get there. Friends, do you
Speaker 3: have a sense of how bad the Liberal Party's women
Speaker 3: problem is right now? Like you know, you hear it,
Speaker 3: but do you kind of know just how bad it is?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Because I thought they had a lot of other problems
Speaker 2: that they had to saw through.
Speaker 3: That is a fair point.
Speaker 1: And I also just think that's such a disingenuous thing
Speaker 1: for her to say. It's like, I really believe in this,
Speaker 1: but I have no opinion about how we're going to
Speaker 1: get there. Yeah, Like that's just paying lip service, isn't
Speaker 1: it exactly?
Speaker 3: And look just some facts. Of the twenty eight Liberal
Speaker 3: MPs in the Lower House, six of them are women.
Speaker 3: Of all Liberal MPs, only a third are women. The
Speaker 3: Liberals have their lowest number of women in Parliament since
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, which was a year before Labor adopted
Speaker 3: its first gender quotas. You want to take a guess
Speaker 3: as to how what percentage of labor MPs in our
Speaker 3: women sixty fifty six percent.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's going to say.
Speaker 2: It's yeah.
Speaker 3: After the nineteen ninety three election for Labor andps it
Speaker 3: was eleven percent, and that's when they looked in the
Speaker 3: mirror and went, okay, I think we need quotas, which
Speaker 3: brings us to now. So Angus Taylor, he's the Opposition
Speaker 3: Defense spokesperson. He said last week, the Labor Party will
Speaker 3: do things their own way about quotas, and they do
Speaker 3: subvert democracy, and that's a matter for them at the
Speaker 3: end of the day. If you're going to have quotas,
Speaker 3: it means you are going to subvert democratic processes. So
Speaker 3: he and a lot of other Liberal Party men say
Speaker 3: that it is fundamentally undemocratic. It goes against all their principles, which.
Speaker 1: Is so untrue because there are already so many quotas.
Speaker 1: There are quotas about left factions and right factions. There
Speaker 1: are quotas about National Party versus Liberal Party MPs. They
Speaker 1: already have quotas.
Speaker 3: This is just lie they kind of talk about, like
Speaker 3: the merit Defense like Tony Abbott has always talks about
Speaker 3: merrit and it's like you don't have to know a
Speaker 3: lot about politics to know that it's about alliances, it's
Speaker 3: about you being in bed with you and like all
Speaker 3: the different politics that happens is not simply like always
Speaker 3: the best person for the job and for context. In
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, the Liberal Parties set a target when it
Speaker 3: came to female representation. They love a target that they're
Speaker 3: not accountable for. They're very good at those. Then again
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two they were like fifty percent female representation.
Speaker 1: We promise a target means nothing if you don't have
Speaker 1: a plan to get to that target.
Speaker 3: All that's happened is that the party room has fewer
Speaker 3: women than ever. So quota's big topic. They're instituted in
Speaker 3: some boardrooms, in workplaces and of course in politics. Mia
Speaker 3: is it time for the Liberal Party to establish quotas.
Speaker 1: Of course it is. It was time twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: It was time after the last election when women resoundingly
Speaker 1: rejected a party that was led by a man in
Speaker 1: Scott Morrison, who was wildly unpopular with women, who was
Speaker 1: seen as really being out of step with the way
Speaker 1: women see themselves in the way modern men see women
Speaker 1: and just completely out of touch. And they seem to
Speaker 1: learn nothing from that. They seem to learn absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3: It seems like bad politics not to how about you M.
Speaker 2: See for me when it comes to quotas, I struggle
Speaker 2: to see the difference between what is a quota and
Speaker 2: what is just ticking boxes. And I come at this
Speaker 2: from a personal perspective because I remember so specifically twenty
Speaker 2: twenty when George Floyd died, who was a black man
Speaker 2: that was brutally murdered by police and Minneapolis. That's why
Speaker 2: I feel like where everyone learned about the Black Lives
Speaker 2: Matter movement. And then that movement started in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: but it became very popular in twenty twenty, and I
Speaker 2: just remember so many people who hadn't heard from in
Speaker 2: years reach out to me, going, Hey, can you be
Speaker 2: on this panel, can you give this talk? Can you
Speaker 2: host this event very last minute? And you can so
Speaker 2: tell when you're a quota versus when it's actually a
Speaker 2: genuine opportunity. And I wonder if, like we established quotas
Speaker 2: in the Liberal Party, will these women go in with
Speaker 2: the public always thinking that there was a specific reason
Speaker 2: why they were chosen versus if they're actually good at
Speaker 2: their job.
Speaker 3: So that's interesting you say that, because when Labor instituted quotas,
Speaker 3: five liberal women came out, This was in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: three or nineteen ninety four, and they came out and
Speaker 3: they delivered a statement about what they thought about it,
Speaker 3: and they said, it is effectively a vote of no
Speaker 3: confidence in women's own nobilities, and it is a reverse
Speaker 3: form of discrimination. It only treats the symptoms, not the
Speaker 3: cause of the problems. So they felt offended at the
Speaker 3: idea that someone would go, you're just there to kind
Speaker 3: of be a quota. But on your point, m I
Speaker 3: wonder if your example is actually an argument for quotas,
Speaker 3: because what people were doing in that was going off vibes.
Speaker 3: They were going, the vibe is that we need diversity
Speaker 3: and representation, let's throw m on or whatever, whereas a
Speaker 3: quota is more of a promise and a process and
Speaker 3: a system that has to be like instituted and upheld.
Speaker 3: And I think that the problem with twenty twenty was
Speaker 3: that all of those gains were very easily able to
Speaker 3: then be rescinded because there were no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not being asked to host of ens anymore.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly right, Like I think that the process
Speaker 3: wasn't properly instituted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting. All the research shows that
Speaker 1: people when they're younger, Certainly I've noticed in my experience
Speaker 1: younger women are like, no, I want to get there
Speaker 1: on my merit, and you can be very idealistic. And
Speaker 1: then as you get older and you see that nothing
Speaker 1: changes and things actually go backwards, as we've seen with
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, you start to say, well, merit doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to actually matter. Yeah, because if you are a
Speaker 1: believer as I am, that merit is equally divided in
Speaker 1: the population between men and women, in terms of intellectual ability, intelligence, talent,
Speaker 1: all of those things.
Speaker 3: And between all demographics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Then our parliament should reflect our society,
Speaker 1: and the fact that it doesn't is bad for our parliament.
Speaker 1: It's bad for our society because we know that companies
Speaker 1: that have more diverse boards, that are more reflective of
Speaker 1: their customers or their audience or their shareholders, are more
Speaker 1: likely to do better, to perform better because it's helpful
Speaker 1: to have those different voices in the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah. An example of that is in sort of mid
Speaker 3: nineteen nineties, just after all of this talk about quotas
Speaker 3: was do you remember Alexander Downer. Alexander Downer, you would
Speaker 3: form an infant and Howard, I think yes. And so
Speaker 3: this was at the time when women's representation was really low,
Speaker 3: and it was talking about whether they needed quotas, and
Speaker 3: he was talking about a policy on women's safety and
Speaker 3: domestic violence, and he made a joke that it should
Speaker 3: be titled the Things that Better Like rather than the
Speaker 3: Things that Matter. That's an example of something that likely
Speaker 3: wouldn't be said in the company of women. I think
Speaker 3: sometimes you need the quotas to get the right people
Speaker 3: in the room to solve the problems. I don't think
Speaker 3: that you can even start doing that until you have
Speaker 3: that representation, because it's not fair to an electorate whether
Speaker 3: you vote for the Liberal Party or not. You need
Speaker 3: two competitive parties. And this is they're in a pathetic position,
Speaker 3: and surely, surely this is just good for democracy.
Speaker 2: So there's this thing going around where everyone is sharing
Speaker 2: their most unhinged group chat name. So you know, when
Speaker 2: you have like a consistent group of people you talk
Speaker 2: to online on Facebook, Messenger, Instagram. You can name that group.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 2: Everyone is sharing their names. I have a really good
Speaker 2: one that I've had for years, two and a half Indians.
Speaker 3: Okay, who is group?
Speaker 2: Two of my cousins, one of them, her dad is British.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. So that's so good.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of very inappropriate humor in group chat names.
Speaker 2: We asked our Instagram. So if you don't follows on Instagram,
Speaker 2: please do mum me out loud flaps to the wind.
Speaker 2: I like that. It's a bit naughty. In case I
Speaker 2: need an organ donor. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: It's a good one for a family group chat.
Speaker 2: Or for a craft group.
Speaker 3: Stitch and bitch Yep, that's got tone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, haggs in the hood, the outlaws, so the partners
Speaker 2: of the family.
Speaker 1: Oh I've got a question about changing group names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so something. I've got a few group chats where one
Speaker 1: in particular and we're all sort of writery, wordy people,
Speaker 1: and sometimes there'll just be a phrase that comes up
Speaker 1: that just has everybody in hysterics, and someone will change
Speaker 1: the name of the group chat.
Speaker 3: But then, do you.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's okay? Now?
Speaker 2: You remove them from the group.
Speaker 1: It can be a bit tricky.
Speaker 3: I think that it's funny. I looked at my group
Speaker 3: chat names and I was like, I forget the context
Speaker 3: of every single one of theirs. They just I think
Speaker 3: six months lady, You're like, what was that about? I
Speaker 3: don't understand.
Speaker 1: There's also I've had the issue of some people who
Speaker 1: have little children and their phones around, or they've got
Speaker 1: announced messages. And I had a group called servant with
Speaker 1: a k oh because I was explaining to the group
Speaker 1: that the expression serving is a compliment. So someone changed
Speaker 1: the group name to servant with a k I ALWASO
Speaker 1: found myself. I was going to a dinner with that
Speaker 1: group of people and I was in the car and
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Siri, message Serven.
Speaker 3: No, you can't take everyone's phone. You've ruined people's Mondays.
Speaker 2: After the break, our dating apps done, I'll get you
Speaker 2: up to speed with the reality of what it's like
Speaker 2: to find love and sex in twenty twenty five out
Speaker 2: loud As.
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Speaker 2: Dating app Bumble has laid off thirty percent of its
Speaker 2: staff after losing three hundred and fifty thousand users last year.
Speaker 1: Maybe they got married.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, if you think three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand people found their love of the
Speaker 2: live last year, you would be wrong. When I read
Speaker 2: this headline, nothing, not even like one percent of it
Speaker 2: surprised me. I one hundred percent can believe that this
Speaker 2: many people have been off the dating app.
Speaker 3: Have you deleted Bumble?
Speaker 2: I just redownloaded it, so I'm helping them out. I
Speaker 2: think I talked about it in this podcast. I deleted
Speaker 2: dating apps in December last year after an unfavorable breakup
Speaker 2: where a man messaged me saying that he found someone
Speaker 2: else took a break so much happened in my life.
Speaker 2: Redownloaded them. First person pop up was said man with
Speaker 2: a little message from Hinge saying most compatible. No, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, now I know why people will delete these apps,
Speaker 2: So tell.
Speaker 3: Me why they think this is Because it's not just
Speaker 3: Bumble is across the board. They're saying that every dating
Speaker 3: app is down, dating app usage is on the floor,
Speaker 3: and some people might go, this is quite hopeful. Maybe
Speaker 3: people are meeting in person again. Why do you think
Speaker 3: it is that dating apps kind of on the nose
Speaker 3: at the moment.
Speaker 2: I've been on dating apps for on and off for
Speaker 2: a very very long time, and there was a time
Speaker 2: in my life I think I would have probably been
Speaker 2: like nineteen twenty where they were the best. I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of millennials met their long term partners
Speaker 2: on dating apps, and they always talk about our producer
Speaker 2: m talks about how great they were. That has changed completely.
Speaker 1: Been a long time since someone's that they met their
Speaker 1: partner on the apps.
Speaker 2: It's a very millennial thing. It's a very millennial thing.
Speaker 2: It's changed completely. Dating apps are a complete cess pit.
Speaker 2: Why it's now turned into, I want to say, like
Speaker 2: a social media app. Like I remember talking on the
Speaker 2: podcast that I would use dating apps for a point
Speaker 2: in my life where I just had them as dopamine hits.
Speaker 2: So every time I felt like something was a bit
Speaker 2: off at work or something, I'll just literally go into
Speaker 2: my phone, do some swipes, see who liked me, and
Speaker 2: that's all I needed, because.
Speaker 1: It's like gambling. I imagine part of the attraction is gambling.
Speaker 1: It's like at any time, I could swipe and find
Speaker 1: that person. When I was single, I used to call
Speaker 1: it single energy. I used to be able to stay
Speaker 1: up much later in clubs or bars or whatever parties
Speaker 1: because there was always that potential hope that I might
Speaker 1: meet that person.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you're not even meeting people in person anymore.
Speaker 2: So with like dating apps, I feel like, firstly, there's
Speaker 2: so many options now with dating apps because they want
Speaker 2: people to stay on them for longer. So what do
Speaker 2: you mean, So Hina's slogan is made to be deleted
Speaker 2: completely untrue.
Speaker 1: People love stay to be deleted. Yeah, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Because it's like a play on, like you will find
Speaker 2: the person you love, so then you'll delete the app.
Speaker 2: So it's made for you to then delete the app.
Speaker 1: Which is not a good business model for the app. Right, So,
Speaker 1: it only occurred to me recently that all of these
Speaker 1: apps are disincentivized to try and match people who are
Speaker 1: good matches.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I read some analysis and some of its
Speaker 3: speculation because I don't believe that their algorithms are sort
Speaker 3: of public knowledge, but there is pretty good intel that
Speaker 3: suggests that they will know who would be really compatible
Speaker 3: with them, and he's not going to be the first
Speaker 3: person they give her, okay, so they'll sort of give
Speaker 3: him a bunch of other people. And then when I
Speaker 3: was on dating apps, there wasn't an option to pay,
Speaker 3: but now it's like there's this top tier where they'll go, well,
Speaker 3: m we'll give you him if you give a bit
Speaker 3: of money.
Speaker 1: What are you paid for?
Speaker 2: Okay? So on some dating apps because you can swipe
Speaker 2: and swipe and swipes, so now they've set limits for
Speaker 2: free users, like you can only do ten swipes a day,
Speaker 2: So you do your ten swipes and then you get
Speaker 2: to your eleven swipe and you see love a pay well,
Speaker 2: the hottest person you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1: That's where they put ms perfectly paywall.
Speaker 2: And I will admit I did pay seventy dollars for
Speaker 2: Bumble Premium, and then I saw this option saying that
Speaker 2: do you want your profile to be seen by the
Speaker 2: people you've swiped right on? Straight away? Like of course,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I want that. That's a ticket premium
Speaker 2: plus ninety dollars a month some month. Actually I think
Speaker 2: it's one hundred dollars a month. A month, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: paying seventy dollars a month. That is ridiculous. What's really
Speaker 2: annoying about it is that they have the packages, right,
Speaker 2: because if you pay monthly, it will be cheaper than
Speaker 2: paying weekly. So in your head you have to be like,
Speaker 2: how long do I plan on being single? Do I
Speaker 2: get the three month package? Do I get the six
Speaker 2: month package?
Speaker 3: How optimistic am I that I will find someone? Because
Speaker 3: I was listening to these researchers talk about this exact
Speaker 3: phenomenon on a podcast called Plain English over the weekend,
Speaker 3: and these researchers were saying that none of this indicates
Speaker 3: that people are meeting in real life. That simply isn't happening.
Speaker 3: People aren't doing the dating apps, and they're not approaching
Speaker 3: people at bars.
Speaker 1: It's just people have just given up. Yeah, they're their
Speaker 1: home with their vibrator.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The amount of people in their twenties who have
Speaker 3: never dated is higher than ever. Right. They said that
Speaker 3: the people who dating apps are still really good for
Speaker 3: are people who are in their forties, their fifties, and
Speaker 3: in the eighties. If that was you it was really
Speaker 3: hard to date because you didn't know who else was single,
Speaker 3: you didn't know who else was looking. But now it's
Speaker 3: almost become their domain because they kind of like know
Speaker 3: who they're looking for. You can set your age range whatever,
Speaker 3: and so for gen Z's, I think that it's not
Speaker 3: really the domain for young people anymore.
Speaker 2: The marketing is just so interesting, especially the gendered marketing
Speaker 2: for dating apps. And this is in heterosexual relationships. But
Speaker 2: I had so many male friends who automatically would pay
Speaker 2: for like Tinder premium, Hinge premium, because it is much
Speaker 2: harder being a straight man on a dating app than
Speaker 2: it is being a straight woman. Like they get no
Speaker 2: matches at all, they'll have one. No one goes up
Speaker 2: to a guy like heymate, let me get a photo
Speaker 2: of you. You look really good. So they have the
Speaker 2: worst photos from like twenty thirteen. So they're all paying,
Speaker 2: and then Tinder and stuff for like how do we
Speaker 2: get women to pay? So now you have to pay
Speaker 2: if you want a hype preference?
Speaker 3: What do you mean by a high preference?
Speaker 2: So if you want to date a man of a
Speaker 2: certain height, you can change your preferences to only give
Speaker 2: you men who are like above six feet or something,
Speaker 2: and they will only show you men who are above
Speaker 2: six feet in their profile.
Speaker 1: I mean this is imagine if there was the equivalent
Speaker 1: of that. I wonder if there is about men who
Speaker 1: could say I want women of a certain BMI and
Speaker 1: how upset people would be about that.
Speaker 2: Well, you can put ethnicity preferences in there, you can
Speaker 2: put height, you can put religious preferences, if they want kids,
Speaker 2: if they don't want kids, if they want long term relationship,
Speaker 2: if they want casual sex. You can literally form the
Speaker 2: perfect person in your head.
Speaker 1: Does it cost?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: For women? Is the only barrier that you've got.
Speaker 2: To pay for heights, all of the preferences, all the payment.
Speaker 2: But like men are more likely to pay because they
Speaker 2: want their profile to be shown to more women. So
Speaker 2: you have all these options of what payment will get you.
Speaker 2: So this is what my researchers were telling me.
Speaker 3: They were saying that in the dating app world, for
Speaker 3: the top one percent, who are basically ridiculously attractive, it
Speaker 3: works for them, but for everyone else, it's a market
Speaker 3: that's too competitive and you're just gonna disappear. So whereas
Speaker 3: if you meet someone at a bar, or you meet
Speaker 3: someone in person. You are filtering, whether you know it
Speaker 3: or not, for one hundred things at once, for how
Speaker 3: they smell, for how they walk, for how they move
Speaker 3: their body.
Speaker 2: You can even put voice members in this.
Speaker 3: You can hear their voice, and that's what dating apps
Speaker 3: are trying to do. But really it is a two
Speaker 3: dimension looking at your face. And what these people were
Speaker 3: saying is that initial chemistry, what someone looks like, actually
Speaker 3: has merely no bearing on the success of a long term,
Speaker 3: happy relationship, and that is why the most successful relationships
Speaker 3: often happen when people meet not only in real life,
Speaker 3: but meet in situations where they meet again and again
Speaker 3: and again. So the workplace friendship groups that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: because you probably won't have love at first sight, but
Speaker 3: you'll go slow burn, you'll do the scan and you'll
Speaker 3: go no, and then they'll come back, and then you'll
Speaker 3: get more data points and you'll go eh, and then
Speaker 3: you'll get more data points and before you know it,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, maybe I'm attracted to this person. So
Speaker 3: that's how we're wired, and dating apps if not.
Speaker 2: So that's actually so true because when I was dating
Speaker 2: my ex partner, I met him three friends and we
Speaker 2: got on really really well, and we were dating and
Speaker 2: then in our initial dating phase he showed me his
Speaker 2: Hinge profile and I was like, there's no way to
Speaker 2: swipe right on you.
Speaker 3: No, of course not. The real world is not about
Speaker 3: tens and twos. That's not how you work. I didn't
Speaker 3: meet my partner and go, is he a ten? Or
Speaker 3: like how would you?
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't have never met him on.
Speaker 3: The apps because he wouldn't have been in my age, he.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have been in your age, Ange, And can you
Speaker 1: just explain the difference broadly between the different apps. So
Speaker 1: there's like Hinge, Bumble Tinder, Like what's the difference?
Speaker 2: So Tinder is like the og app. I feel like
Speaker 2: that's the one everyone is across. That one has the
Speaker 2: most users. It's also worldwide known, so it's just like one.
Speaker 2: It's just completely honing in on the market. It turned
Speaker 2: into a bit of a hookup app when the other
Speaker 2: apps came on board. Tinder has now done a full
Speaker 2: point eighty where people are actually finding relationships again on Tinder.
Speaker 2: So if you're looking for relationship, give Tinder a go.
Speaker 3: The difference with Bumble was that the woman reaches out first.
Speaker 2: Women reaches out first, But now that's slightly changed. So
Speaker 2: now you can have a set question on your bumble
Speaker 2: profile where a man can answer if you don't want
Speaker 2: to be the first one messaging. They also have bumble
Speaker 2: bff from Bumble Business. I know a lot of friends
Speaker 2: from overseas when they travel around, they meet a lot
Speaker 2: of friends through bumble Bff.
Speaker 1: I also know women who are downloading an app called
Speaker 1: her for queer women, women who were interested in dating
Speaker 1: other women and it is it successful? Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: a few people who've met who've met women like that
Speaker 1: or women who are curious or you know, there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of things.
Speaker 2: And as grinder for men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hin just probably you could be on RAYA now I've.
Speaker 2: Been on Ray's waiting list for seven you could meet
Speaker 2: Orlando Sweet. But if like remember the Instagram.
Speaker 1: Probably still there. So ray is for famous people. But
Speaker 1: I interrupted you saying Hinge.
Speaker 2: Hinge is like kind of a new ish one. It
Speaker 2: doesn't have that many users, but it's probably the one.
Speaker 2: I want to say. All the hot people are on Hinge.
Speaker 2: Like they have this section on Hinge called the Rose Jail.
Speaker 2: Well we call it the Rose Jail. Well they'll put
Speaker 2: the hottest people you've ever seen in your life in
Speaker 2: this little section where you don't just swipe right on them. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: you have to put yourself out there and hand them
Speaker 2: a rose, a digital rose, and you only get one
Speaker 2: rose a week, so when you give them a rose,
Speaker 2: they know it's so bad.
Speaker 1: I have anxiety dreams about being on the apps. I've
Speaker 1: met my partner before the apps were around, and so
Speaker 1: I've never been on the apps before. And sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: have recurring anxiety dreams about I have to get on
Speaker 1: the apps and I've never done it before.
Speaker 2: That is so unfortunate for you. I feel really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever given a rose?
Speaker 2: Look? There's been some dark times in my life.
Speaker 3: It's late.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just see a guy on Hinge and he's
Speaker 2: not only hot, but he also just has the right prompts. Right,
Speaker 2: he's got like feminists in this profile. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 2: I've only got sisters in this profile.
Speaker 1: What's the prompt?
Speaker 2: So Hinge has all of these, like probably a thousand
Speaker 2: questions that you can choose from, and then you can
Speaker 2: reply to them and have that on your profile. So
Speaker 2: it's like my ideal date will look like right beach
Speaker 2: and movies, and a lot of people are really witty
Speaker 2: in that. The thing is you have to be really
Speaker 2: funny because you have to show your sense of humor.
Speaker 1: So you no longer have to write your own profile.
Speaker 1: You take answer a few questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make it easy for you. And then sometimes
Speaker 2: when you're like three wines in two am, you just
Speaker 2: want to give a rose. Sometimes you'll pay and give
Speaker 2: two roses because you want to say, God pay. I
Speaker 2: also pay for hinge, so it's around the same cost
Speaker 2: as bumble.
Speaker 3: I know you need to pay. You need to pay Rise.
Speaker 1: Text talking about it, right, Rose, what happened?
Speaker 2: Nothing happened? Because I look like a loser, sweetie. No
Speaker 2: one wants to accept my rose.
Speaker 3: There's a new documentary on Netflix called train Wreck Poop Cruise.
Speaker 2: Can I just say something before we continue. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the script right now, and all your notes are bolded.
Speaker 3: That's because they're all really important. Have some respect for
Speaker 3: the content.
Speaker 1: Netflix has been trying to get me to watch poop Cruise.
Speaker 1: Keep serving me poop Cruise. Watch poop Cruise.
Speaker 2: I think that says a lot about you, Alegorithm too.
Speaker 3: I feel as though, em it's right up your Alley.
Speaker 3: I feel like you'd love it. A bit of a geagle,
Speaker 3: all right. I will never stop thinking about this documentary.
Speaker 3: And I'll say, you don't need to watch it. It's
Speaker 3: like an hour long. It's quite short. Now, if you're squeamish,
Speaker 3: or if you really want to watch this documentary fresh
Speaker 3: and really enjoy it for everything it has to give,
Speaker 3: then maybe skip forward. But otherwise I would like just
Speaker 3: two minutes of your time, okay, to tell you about
Speaker 3: what happened on a poop cruise in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited, all right, this is what happened thirteen.
Speaker 3: That's when it was set by documentary. It's about history.
Speaker 3: Some of us have some respect for history, all right.
Speaker 3: Two hundred people get on a cruise Texas to Mexico.
Speaker 3: Beautiful sunny day, sun's out, warm, lovely.
Speaker 1: Nice, big pool.
Speaker 3: In the doco, there are these women who are on
Speaker 3: a hen's party. Right, they're having great time. They get
Speaker 3: off in Mexico, they have a few drinks and a
Speaker 3: lot of drinks. Actually, they get back on the cruise
Speaker 3: and they're like, this is actually heaven. And then at
Speaker 3: five am there's an alarm and they're like, oh, what's
Speaker 3: this about. There's banging on the door.
Speaker 2: Get up, Get up.
Speaker 3: Everyone has to evacuate. You have to get on the deck.
Speaker 3: So get on the deck and they see one of
Speaker 3: the I don't know what you call it on a cruise.
Speaker 3: It's like got a big titanic like boulder. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: smoke coming out.
Speaker 2: Oh fine, like a chimney, like a chimney on my emergency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, emergency emergency.
Speaker 1: And they're in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 3: And they're in the middle of the ocean, so they
Speaker 3: start panicking. But then they go, you know what, fire's out.
Speaker 3: We're all good. Yeah, you just go get a coffee,
Speaker 3: get a cocktail, whatever you want. They're like, great, great, great.
Speaker 3: Some of them go to go back to bed. Boom,
Speaker 3: lights out, air con out, power out, and they go,
Speaker 3: this isn't good. We're on a cruise. They're like, don't worry,
Speaker 3: engineers are going to go fix it. Engineers go downstairs.
Speaker 3: Not good, everything is broken. They are now in the
Speaker 3: middle of the ocean, loading with no electricity. They then
Speaker 3: discover very quickly that the toilets will not flush a right,
Speaker 3: and so the person who's like running the cruise, this
Speaker 3: lady gets over the loudspeaker and goes, We're going to
Speaker 3: need you to wei in the shower. Oh, and poop
Speaker 3: in these red plastic bags that we're about to distribute. No, no,
Speaker 3: and soep.
Speaker 1: Just pooping the toilet and then just not flush it.
Speaker 3: Well, some people started doing that, and that's where we
Speaker 3: come to the term poopler's on you, because what was
Speaker 3: happening is someone was going toilet paper, going toilet paper,
Speaker 3: going toilet paper, and they were like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: do it in your red bag. And everyone was like,
Speaker 3: I'm not pooping in a red bag, surely not. What
Speaker 3: happens to the red bags you have to throw them
Speaker 3: out in bins that are in the corridor. So within hours,
Speaker 3: the whole cruise smells of human excrement and everyone knows
Speaker 3: what your bowel movements look like exactly. You're on your honeymoon. Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go get my red bag.
Speaker 1: It's not hot.
Speaker 2: Can I just talk about the location, because nothing okay
Speaker 2: to get TMI. There are certain foods that make my
Speaker 2: stomach go.
Speaker 3: They had just come from Mexico, they've just come from
Speaker 3: and also Texas meat. Yeah, and also how much they've
Speaker 3: been drinking, right, so I think it's a particular brand.
Speaker 1: When she has to poop in a bag, would you
Speaker 1: sit on the toilet?
Speaker 2: I think so, right, so you'd still I thought it
Speaker 2: was like a nappy situation.
Speaker 1: For anyone who's had to do an over fifties poop test,
Speaker 1: which the government sends you in Australia. If you're listening
Speaker 1: from Australia, that's kind of what you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you put it in the toilet. Yeah, right, So
Speaker 3: that's what they start doing. A lot of people you poop,
Speaker 3: think they're too good for bags, right anyway, so it
Speaker 3: starts to smile really bad, and then of course it's
Speaker 3: too hot, so everyone starts getting their mattresses and putting
Speaker 3: them on the deck. But they're like, you know what,
Speaker 3: we're going to get towed back to Mexico tomorrow. It's fine,
Speaker 3: it's just one night. They wake up and they're like, okay,
Speaker 3: just something bad happened, which is that the ship has
Speaker 3: started drifting in the wrong direction because it's not it's
Speaker 3: not working. So what we need to do.
Speaker 2: It's the weight of the ship.
Speaker 3: How many people on the on the four thy two
Speaker 3: hundred people and you go what like three times? What
Speaker 3: are they eating, there's no three times a day.
Speaker 2: You have quite decent bowel movements. I take a to Metamucile.
Speaker 3: There's no refrigeration, so they're having like these shitty sound
Speaker 3: not literally shitty sandwiches, but they're having crap sandwiches.
Speaker 2: And then are they having the crap sandwiches to make
Speaker 2: them all constipated?
Speaker 3: So no, no, no, just because they have no good
Speaker 3: food because they have no refrigeration, so they're having to
Speaker 3: throw everything out of god a tactic. So then they're like, look,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be real, it's gonna be another four days.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be four to eight on a hoop cruise.
Speaker 3: Another cruise comes past to give them supplies because at
Speaker 3: this point they're like, we don't even have any food
Speaker 3: for these people.
Speaker 2: Give them supplies, but you're not getting on as show.
Speaker 3: No no, and they start getting Wi Fi so they
Speaker 3: start posting about poop cruise and then the story goes
Speaker 3: like it goes absolutely.
Speaker 1: Why did we not hear?
Speaker 3: But the time get worse because the cruise is like,
Speaker 3: you know what, we're about having a good time. So
Speaker 3: what I think we should do is open the bar
Speaker 3: freebooze for everyone that did not go well. Someone poops
Speaker 3: in a bag, they could throw it off the hedge.
Speaker 3: The wind blows out lands on someone who can't.
Speaker 1: Have a shower.
Speaker 2: Shower jump in the ocean. At this point, I'm.
Speaker 3: Jumping in the water.
Speaker 2: They're swimming to Eventually.
Speaker 3: The boat comes to tow them.
Speaker 4: They need.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: What happens is the boat imagine a towing The boat
Speaker 3: kind of goes at an angle, and all the urine
Speaker 3: in the showers, which hasn't been draining because it can't drain,
Speaker 3: goes and it is raining urine down wall. It's there
Speaker 3: is footage if someone getting out of their bed and
Speaker 3: they are deep in urine. All the poop from the
Speaker 3: bins falls out of the bins and goes in the hallway.
Speaker 3: And people are on CNN going e COLI like this
Speaker 3: is not caught, Like what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: People who had children, they so many people were kids.
Speaker 3: It was so so bad. And then eventually they got
Speaker 3: back to the thing. They get off the cruise, they
Speaker 3: tell this, so they all have pink ei. They must like,
Speaker 3: can you imagine every time you would pooh in a
Speaker 3: normal toilet, you would go, oh my god, trigger.
Speaker 2: I would never shit again.
Speaker 3: And I just think the moral of this story is
Speaker 3: like the moral, I love the story no matter how
Speaker 3: bad you were kids. Yeah, you're having a bad moment.
Speaker 3: You feel how stress poolas aren't you? You just go
Speaker 3: you know what, At least I'm not on the poop cruise.
Speaker 3: That's my new mantra. Po needs meditation. At least I'm
Speaker 3: not on the poop cruise.
Speaker 1: Well, out louders, We've learned so much today in crazy
Speaker 1: loads that m poops three times a day. I'd like
Speaker 1: to know what the average amount of poos per day?
Speaker 1: People do? I think she's got a last run today.
Speaker 1: I think I think I've just looked it up as
Speaker 1: we're talking. The average is once or twice a day.
Speaker 2: So and you are officially on top of the poop
Speaker 2: lady boy, I'm officially above average.
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