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Speaker 2: Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia out Loud and to our Friday show where

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Speaker 2: we take a deliberate step back from the news Today. Friends,

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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the twenty first of June.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hollywayne, right, I'm Me Friedman.

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Speaker 3: And I'm in Vernon filling in for Jesse today. Last one.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait for her to come back. I'm tired of

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Speaker 3: talking to you guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh you need more days off? I get the flu again.

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Speaker 2: We'll just sign off on it before we get started

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Speaker 2: on the show today. And what was your favorite conversation

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Speaker 2: from the Spill this week?

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Speaker 3: My favorite conversation from the Spill this week is probably

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Speaker 3: earlier in the week. We talked about Nikola cock When

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Speaker 3: did you see her Skims campaign?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 3: We talked about that as well as the entire big

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Speaker 3: brand machine of Skims in general, and we also talked

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Speaker 3: about Armie Hammer's return in the wood again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he lit a bit of you know what's funny

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Speaker 5: about Nicola Coglan, who we talked about on Monday's show.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking that the difference in the way she's

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Speaker 5: being portrayed, even in this Skins campaign, it's through the

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Speaker 5: male gaze, which you know, I don't usually like when

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Speaker 5: you are subverting beauty standards and the beauty standards that

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Speaker 5: tend to be very limited as she is.

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Speaker 1: I actually think that's what makes it refreshing.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think of that. Yeah, but she did

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Speaker 3: look stunning in the loundre that body Congress.

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Speaker 1: I bought it.

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Speaker 2: She looked, did you buy it?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm on the wait list.

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Speaker 2: Did Nichola Cocklin make you buy it?

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Speaker 1: Holly who was on Mid this Week?

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Speaker 2: Look on Mid this Week we had a conversation about death. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there you go, just throwing it out there, the messages

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Speaker 2: I've got this week about this episode. So we had

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Speaker 2: doctor Jackie Bailey on. She is an interfaith minister, a

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Speaker 2: funeral celebrant, and what's called.

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Speaker 1: A death walker is that like a death dueler.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like a death dueler. They walk with

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Speaker 2: the dying and also the dying people's people. And the

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Speaker 2: other thing that's amazing about Jackie is that she herself

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Speaker 2: has had a lot of loss in her life, so

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Speaker 2: she just has this really very empathetic but very no

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Speaker 2: bullshit attitude to it. And so we have this conversation

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Speaker 2: that you might imagine would be really heavy and sad,

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Speaker 2: and of course it's serious, but the way that she

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Speaker 2: can talk about it, she finds some lightness, she finds

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Speaker 2: some really practical stuff. And I've had messages from people

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Speaker 2: who I know have suffered really really serious losses who

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Speaker 2: just said it has helped them enormously. So it is

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Speaker 2: one to share doing good work with anyone needs who

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Speaker 2: is suffering from grief at the moment. What about no filter?

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Speaker 5: You know how I've been banging on about the seven

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Speaker 5: different types of rest everyone needs, and.

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Speaker 1: I've been making you all talk about it.

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Speaker 5: I finally tracked down the person who came up with

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Speaker 5: the concept. She's a doctor, doctor Sondra Dalton Smith, and

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Speaker 5: she talked about what the seven different.

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Speaker 1: Types of rest are.

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Speaker 5: She talked about how we burn energy in those seven

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Speaker 5: different ways mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, socially and creatively.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's one more.

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Speaker 5: What kinds of things restore our energy? Like what rest

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Speaker 5: looks like because it's not just about stopping doing something

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Speaker 5: or if you're physically tired, then obviously you need to

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Speaker 5: more sleep, but all the other areas, sometimes it can

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Speaker 5: be starting to do something that can make you feel

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Speaker 1: So it's such an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 5: We'll put links to all of our other shows and

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Speaker 5: those episodes in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: But on today's show, are you looking for a man

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Speaker 2: in finance? Six foot five blue eyes? If you don't

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Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, you will in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Also a movie that's way more than a movie, a

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Speaker 2: TV show with lots of sex that isn't bridgeton and

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Speaker 2: an airworm banger of a song. And My time as

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Speaker 2: a boomer? Why mea is counting down until Sunday and

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Speaker 2: that time and bumped.

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Speaker 1: Into three x's in one night.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to best and Worst, But first, Mere Friedman.

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Speaker 5: In case you missed it, there's a name for that

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Speaker 5: thing that some of us do, which is sending your

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Speaker 5: friends or family popping in the group chat memes, funny

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Speaker 5: videos or links, and it's called pebbling. The term pebbling

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Speaker 5: comes from penguins, because did you know that penguins will

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Speaker 5: gift pebbles to potential.

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Speaker 2: Mates and that from good Luck Chust. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I follow Adam Grant on Instagram and he's like a productivity, emotional,

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Speaker 5: psychological person and.

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Speaker 1: He posted about it.

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Speaker 5: He's a science author as well, and he says pebbling

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Speaker 5: is an act of care and every pebble is a

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Speaker 5: bid for connection. And to me this was an absolute

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Speaker 5: lightning bolt because that is how I show care. It's

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Speaker 5: very different to when you post something on social because

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's a bid well. I guess it's

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Speaker 5: a bid for some kind of connection. But that can

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Speaker 5: be about virtue signaling, it can be about attention seeking.

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Speaker 5: It's not always a negative thing, of course posting. It

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Speaker 5: can be about self expression, self expression, self promotion, all

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Speaker 5: different things. But when you put little things in group chats,

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Speaker 5: that is a bid for connection. And I know that

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Speaker 5: I've got some group chats or friends that I send

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Speaker 5: things to as a bid for connection and they don't

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Speaker 5: get the message and it just lands, and so my

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Speaker 5: little pebble sits there pop another little pebble.

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Speaker 2: This is another one of those conversations with having a

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Speaker 5: Oh it's you, No, it's one hundred percent not Holly.

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Speaker 5: It's a thousand percent not Holly. It's because Hole and

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Speaker 5: I and Jesse and I and my closest girlfriends not

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Speaker 5: my girlfriends. We do have that pebbling. That's how we

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Speaker 5: kind of stay connected. But then I've got other people

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Speaker 5: who just I'll pop a pebble and it's not that

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Speaker 5: we don't talk about things, but they won't then.

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Speaker 1: Reciprocate with a pebble of their own, or a.

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Speaker 5: Comment or a thumbs up or an opinion about the

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Speaker 3: Maybe you're pebbling wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's like they left my pebble and red definite left.

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Speaker 2: Pebble on red.

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Speaker 3: Because I think that's two ways of pebbles. So you

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Speaker 3: pebble by like sending memes and stuff that you think

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Speaker 3: are funny. But I don't like those pebbles. I want

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Speaker 2: That's the idea, though, that's the right idea, right, No,

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Speaker 3: Get pebbles from people who they're like, I saw this

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Speaker 3: I want my pebbles.

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Speaker 1: To be so that means just that they don't know you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want the pebbles to be like something

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Speaker 3: that you've listened to what I said, Oh, I reminded

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Speaker 3: you of something, and it's so specific, like and they

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Speaker 5: You want a very tailored, customized bid for connection.

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Speaker 2: I feel like those pebbles are like being flung at

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Speaker 1: It's likely doesn't like it.

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Speaker 2: It's like a demand for all the time. You're like,

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Speaker 5: No, you don't have to necessarily react to that pebble

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Speaker 5: general idea of pebbles and also whole our whole work

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Speaker 5: you are You've been defensive here and insecure, I think.

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Speaker 2: But I'm also speaking for the people who don't like

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Speaker 1: I get it. No, No, I think that's fair enough.

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Speaker 3: I'm just asking for a haha.

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Speaker 2: Is it too much? Too hah? I need to play

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Speaker 2: you all something. It is apparently one of the songs

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Speaker 4: Here it is, I'm looking for a man in finance

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Speaker 4: trust fund six fire blue eyes finance trust fund six

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Speaker 4: fire blue eyes, and looking for our man, and looking

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Speaker 1: So she she just did that. See I would send

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Speaker 2: And then she said, DJs, do your thing, have fun

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Speaker 2: is what happened. Here is a mashup of some of

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Speaker 4: I'm Looking for a Man in Finance Trust done six

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Speaker 1: It is huge. That's so funny.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm interested in this. I agree, this is what

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Speaker 2: missed out on a trademark, she really did, But I'm

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Speaker 2: Six ' five blue eyes, I just have fun things.

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Speaker 2: Is very tall, very tall because because they can't see

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Speaker 2: sort of echoing a message that's all over TikTok at

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Speaker 2: the minute from a certain sort of dating influencer who

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Speaker 2: rich man to marry. Right. This energy feels very unchanged

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Speaker 2: to me from say like the ninety Sex in the

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Speaker 2: City Charlotte, who was like, I'm looking.

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Speaker 5: For a man in finance, and also Lady Featherington's looking

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Speaker 5: for rich men for her daughters exactly.

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Speaker 2: And it also feels part of an ongoing conversation that

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Speaker 2: On Monday, we talked about how in an ever more

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Speaker 2: this idea of women wanting a protective, manly man, and

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Speaker 2: how that apparently the thing we want at the moment,

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Speaker 2: apart from Rodents. That's another conversation. And then a while

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Speaker 2: ago we unpacked a viral essay by a young woman

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Speaker 2: And there's something in the water and all over the internet.

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Speaker 2: Would you like some of these dating influencers advice ask

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Speaker 2: The thing is about this is that by putting man

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Speaker 2: But that's not fair because you're setting the world up

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Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But it also comes to just like that initial part

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Speaker 3: And they have to eventually get dinner. Dating doesn't have

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Speaker 1: It is not because.

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Speaker 5: You have to pay for everything, and I can't afford

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Speaker 3: And I have like I like nice things, like I

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Speaker 2: But is that about wanting an equal because like you,

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Speaker 2: You know they do you judge that? And it's entirely

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Speaker 2: I understand it. I certainly understand it. As a woman

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Speaker 2: But that's how men have always felt. But men, you know,

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Speaker 2: I want all the equality, please, I want all of it.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's true. Like, this is what I

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Speaker 5: There's something called the Sprinkle Sprinkle movement, which prioritizes financial

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Speaker 1: And to me, this is kind of the same. And

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Speaker 2: It is if you want a certain kind of life.

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Speaker 2: Like the thing that I struggle with about this is

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Speaker 2: Right personally, I would find it very hard to put

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean to be like, I need

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Speaker 1: Of course, he terribly vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible financial advice because it makes you dependent on somebody.

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Speaker 1: A man is a financial plan and then and that.

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Speaker 2: Man might be particularly if he is an alpha, you know,

442
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Speaker 2: hyper successful dude. He might not be the loveliest person.

443
00:21:00,127 --> 00:21:03,127
Speaker 2: And what I know, deep in my heart. And I

444
00:21:03,167 --> 00:21:06,127
Speaker 2: know I sound pollyannor about it. Is what will make

445
00:21:06,167 --> 00:21:09,767
Speaker 2: you happy is being with a good person. Of course,

446
00:21:09,807 --> 00:21:11,487
Speaker 2: lots of good people are rich. I'm not saying that

447
00:21:11,807 --> 00:21:15,247
Speaker 2: I find this so icky because it's like, my daughter

448
00:21:15,287 --> 00:21:17,287
Speaker 2: listens to a lot of rap music, right, and we'll

449
00:21:17,287 --> 00:21:19,447
Speaker 2: be in the car, and every woman that is being

450
00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,207
Speaker 2: talked about on a lot of this stuff is she

451
00:21:21,287 --> 00:21:23,007
Speaker 2: just wants you for your money. She just wants you

452
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Speaker 2: to buy her handbags, she just wants you to buy

453
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Speaker 2: a design of clothes. She's just trying to take you

454
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Speaker 2: for everything you've got. Playing into this like sort.

455
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Speaker 1: Of gold digger.

456
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, literally the gold digger. And I thought that

457
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Speaker 2: one of the great things about being able to make

458
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Speaker 2: our own way in the world is that we didn't

459
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Speaker 2: have to do that anymore, settle for a guy who

460
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Speaker 2: might buy us shit but who wasn't a very nice person,

461
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Speaker 2: or who might treat us like one of their objects

462
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Speaker 2: or investments. Like I don't know. So, of course it's

463
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Speaker 2: true that if the fantasy happens as it does in movies,

464
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Speaker 2: where you fall madly in love with this wonderful person

465
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Speaker 2: and then oh he's a millionaire or he's a prince

466
00:22:02,847 --> 00:22:06,567
Speaker 2: or he like owns it, you know whatever, then that's lovely, right,

467
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Speaker 2: But going out with that as your first priority is

468
00:22:11,127 --> 00:22:15,567
Speaker 2: setting you up for a whole lot of compromises that

469
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Speaker 2: I think are not necessarily the path to happiness.

470
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Speaker 3: But I don't think that's what most young women want,

471
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Speaker 3: Like I think the Sprinkle Sprinkle Lady is showing the extreme.

472
00:22:24,607 --> 00:22:27,127
Speaker 3: She's saying, find a rich man so your life can

473
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Speaker 3: be easier, whereas I'm saying, I want someone like you,

474
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Speaker 3: like equal to me, because I don't want someone who

475
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Speaker 3: will make my life harder, Like I don't want it

476
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Speaker 3: to be easier, but I also don't want it to

477
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Speaker 3: be harder. And the whole finance guy thing is just

478
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Speaker 3: like a gimmicky thing that you know when you have

479
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Speaker 3: like someone in that certain areaal field, and it's similar

480
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Speaker 3: like like even if someone is like a trainer or

481
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Speaker 3: something like if you know someone has a stable job,

482
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Speaker 3: it just feels like an easier bet to be with.

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Speaker 5: I've got a lot of gen X friends whose teenage

484
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Speaker 5: daughters will troll them, like when you know they're asked,

485
00:23:01,447 --> 00:23:02,967
Speaker 5: what do you want to be? What do you want

486
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Speaker 5: to do after school? And They're like, nothing, I just

487
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Speaker 5: want to get a sugar daddy own exactly. It's sugar

488
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Speaker 5: daddy like their feminist mothers are like stop it, yes,

489
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Speaker 5: stop trolling me.

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Speaker 2: I say to my daughter all the time, like, you

491
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Speaker 2: have got to earn your own money, like for me,

492
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Speaker 2: and I guess that speaks to my values, right, Like

493
00:23:21,887 --> 00:23:24,847
Speaker 2: independence is very high on my list. Earn your own

494
00:23:24,887 --> 00:23:27,087
Speaker 2: money is very high on my list. I find this

495
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Speaker 2: whole thing although it's funny and I love it, and

496
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Speaker 2: the songs a banger, and it's also I'm like, no,

497
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Speaker 2: you're not looking for a guy in finance. You're looking

498
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Speaker 2: for a guy who shares your dreams and aspiration.

499
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Speaker 3: But also from like supports your career and supports your career,

500
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Speaker 3: but also from being with men who have earned less

501
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Speaker 3: than me. From my experience, they also don't like that

502
00:23:47,567 --> 00:23:49,567
Speaker 3: I earn more than them. I think they get a

503
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Speaker 3: complex of dating someone who earns more than them.

504
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Speaker 5: Which goes into the thing of I don't think guys

505
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Speaker 5: do date up very often. I don't think they date

506
00:23:56,847 --> 00:23:59,087
Speaker 5: across or down because it's a.

507
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Speaker 3: Power thing for them.

508
00:24:00,447 --> 00:24:05,087
Speaker 2: Only weak insecure man feel that way, like a proper, proper,

509
00:24:05,287 --> 00:24:08,727
Speaker 2: confident human can deal with the idea that a woman

510
00:24:08,807 --> 00:24:11,687
Speaker 2: can earn more money like it's so retro, I feel like,

511
00:24:12,127 --> 00:24:14,647
Speaker 2: and it can't be an accident. So much of particularly

512
00:24:14,647 --> 00:24:16,647
Speaker 2: American culture at the minute, is trying to pull us

513
00:24:16,687 --> 00:24:19,207
Speaker 2: back somewhere. It's trying to pull us back to a

514
00:24:19,207 --> 00:24:22,927
Speaker 2: more conservative time. And there's no question that some of

515
00:24:22,967 --> 00:24:26,407
Speaker 2: that is easier in inverted commas on the surface, except

516
00:24:26,447 --> 00:24:29,447
Speaker 2: it's not because it traps you, like it traps you

517
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Speaker 2: if you don't have your own independence. So it's like

518
00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:34,087
Speaker 2: it feels like a trap and that makes me uncomfortable.

519
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Speaker 5: It's all because feminism has just gone too farther. Should

520
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Speaker 5: never have made us wear pants and have the vite.

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Speaker 1: This is what's happened clearly this month.

522
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Speaker 2: Mumma Mia turned seventeen. We know birthdays aren't all that

523
00:24:48,687 --> 00:24:52,967
Speaker 2: exciting when they're not well your birthday, there aren't enough presents,

524
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Speaker 2: So we want to take this as a chance to

525
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Speaker 2: give you a treat and say thank you for being

526
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Speaker 2: on the ride with us.

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Speaker 5: Right now, you can get twenty dollars off a yearly

528
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Speaker 5: Mumma me a subscription with.

529
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Speaker 1: The code out Loud Birthday.

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Speaker 2: The offer is valid till the end of June, and

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Speaker 2: you will find all the details of how to do

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Speaker 2: that in the show notes. Enjoy, my friends.

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Speaker 3: It is Friday today, so we are here to help

534
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Speaker 3: you set up your weekend by giving you all of

535
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Speaker 3: our recommendations. Fully, you have a really good one today.

536
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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 2: I took my kids the movies on Saturday at the

538
00:25:31,247 --> 00:25:34,047
Speaker 2: earliest opportunity to see Inside Out too.

539
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Speaker 1: This is joy coming you live in Riley's mind, makes

540
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Speaker 1: them no.

541
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Speaker 5: In, no.

542
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Speaker 2: Tanger me out.

543
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Speaker 3: Of We gotta get our mouth guard.

544
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Speaker 2: People hear sounds not hellus discussed glad to have her

545
00:25:54,167 --> 00:26:01,727
Speaker 2: on our team. Our little girls growing up so fast Out.

546
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Speaker 1: It should be nothing but smooth sailing from Hello.

547
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Speaker 2: I'm anxiety. Where can I put myself? It's a kids movie.

548
00:26:08,287 --> 00:26:11,567
Speaker 2: It's a sequel to Side Out Surprise Surprise A long time,

549
00:26:11,847 --> 00:26:14,967
Speaker 2: really long time because at the end of the first.

550
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Speaker 1: One, I don't understand this.

551
00:26:15,767 --> 00:26:17,207
Speaker 5: At the end of the first one, it was so

552
00:26:17,247 --> 00:26:19,887
Speaker 5: set up for the sequel when they're like, don't press

553
00:26:19,927 --> 00:26:23,847
Speaker 5: the poor Barty button. She's entering Pooberty, and it was like, Oh,

554
00:26:23,887 --> 00:26:25,327
Speaker 5: it's going to be such a good sequel.

555
00:26:25,447 --> 00:26:26,167
Speaker 1: Forgot about it.

556
00:26:26,207 --> 00:26:28,887
Speaker 2: I know, Well, it's here and the puberty button is pushed.

557
00:26:29,727 --> 00:26:32,127
Speaker 2: It is so good, and it's not only good because

558
00:26:32,127 --> 00:26:33,647
Speaker 2: it is a good movie, right, you know. It's got

559
00:26:33,647 --> 00:26:35,887
Speaker 2: Amy Pohler is the Leader's joy again. It's got an

560
00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:39,007
Speaker 2: amazing cast. As far as the movies you can all

561
00:26:39,047 --> 00:26:41,647
Speaker 2: watch together if you've got a family, Go Inside Out

562
00:26:41,687 --> 00:26:43,407
Speaker 2: is up there. But the real reason why it's great,

563
00:26:43,447 --> 00:26:47,447
Speaker 2: why I'm recommending it is these movies also, particularly this one,

564
00:26:47,487 --> 00:26:49,447
Speaker 2: because what happens in this one is puberty happens and

565
00:26:49,487 --> 00:26:51,447
Speaker 2: a whole lot of new feelings come in and join

566
00:26:51,487 --> 00:26:54,407
Speaker 2: the other feelings, and primary among them is Anxiety, who's

567
00:26:54,407 --> 00:26:57,767
Speaker 2: played by Maya Hawk from Stranger Things. It's anxiety, envy,

568
00:26:57,807 --> 00:27:00,567
Speaker 2: embarrassment and on we right, they joined the thing. It's

569
00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:04,047
Speaker 2: so funny. Embarrassment is enormous and always wears a hoodie

570
00:27:04,087 --> 00:27:07,767
Speaker 2: like pulled down over their finger, hardly says anything. And

571
00:27:08,047 --> 00:27:12,407
Speaker 2: Anxiety is this very very highly strong, teeth chattering little person.

572
00:27:12,567 --> 00:27:16,407
Speaker 2: And basically what happens is Anxiety takes over, takes control

573
00:27:16,967 --> 00:27:19,607
Speaker 2: and pushes our girl Riley, who is the human with

574
00:27:19,647 --> 00:27:23,287
Speaker 2: all the emotions to feel. She has to be perfect

575
00:27:23,327 --> 00:27:26,127
Speaker 2: in every way. And it's just a beautiful and brilliant

576
00:27:26,607 --> 00:27:30,607
Speaker 2: exploration of that point in a not only a girl's life,

577
00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:32,847
Speaker 2: in a kid's life. And the thing that's great about

578
00:27:32,887 --> 00:27:36,327
Speaker 2: this series, in my opinion, is it gives you like

579
00:27:36,687 --> 00:27:39,607
Speaker 2: language to talk to your children about these things. You know,

580
00:27:39,807 --> 00:27:42,847
Speaker 2: Riley's in this movie. She's an ice hockey player, right,

581
00:27:42,887 --> 00:27:44,647
Speaker 2: and she wants to get on this team and everything's

582
00:27:44,687 --> 00:27:47,967
Speaker 2: about that and she it's just she's pushing herself to

583
00:27:48,007 --> 00:27:51,127
Speaker 2: the point of anxiety attacks. You can say to your children, like,

584
00:27:51,167 --> 00:27:54,727
Speaker 2: that's your anxiety speaking, that's envy speaking, and it's personified.

585
00:27:54,807 --> 00:27:58,247
Speaker 2: It's like there's a therapy system called internal family systems.

586
00:27:58,247 --> 00:28:00,247
Speaker 2: It's like that for kids, like this is the part

587
00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:03,487
Speaker 2: of you that is acting right now is envy and

588
00:28:03,527 --> 00:28:05,007
Speaker 2: you can picture them in your head.

589
00:28:05,047 --> 00:28:08,487
Speaker 1: And if I love that so anthropomorphizes emotions.

590
00:28:08,607 --> 00:28:11,287
Speaker 2: That's very It's so great. I always remember when Inside

591
00:28:11,327 --> 00:28:13,407
Speaker 2: Out came out that someone was saying about Pixar how

592
00:28:13,447 --> 00:28:16,047
Speaker 2: it was like, what if monsters had feelings? What if

593
00:28:16,087 --> 00:28:17,927
Speaker 2: toys had feelings? And then this series is what if

594
00:28:17,967 --> 00:28:22,247
Speaker 2: feelings have fit? I love that it turned out too.

595
00:28:22,287 --> 00:28:24,047
Speaker 2: It's in all good movie theaters now.

596
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Speaker 5: My recommendation is a song and it's just an Earworms song.

597
00:28:28,367 --> 00:28:29,607
Speaker 2: Is it looking for a Man in Finer?

598
00:28:29,767 --> 00:28:31,287
Speaker 1: It is now, but it's.

599
00:28:31,167 --> 00:28:34,007
Speaker 5: Actually Please Please Please, Sabrina Carpenter's new song, which is

600
00:28:34,047 --> 00:28:37,167
Speaker 5: also her hard launch of her relationship with Barry Kyogan,

601
00:28:37,527 --> 00:28:40,207
Speaker 5: who was in Sultburn. You might have seen the clip.

602
00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:42,727
Speaker 5: Here's a little bit of the tune, ask him.

603
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Speaker 3: Baby, please please Please don't prove.

604
00:28:53,687 --> 00:28:54,287
Speaker 1: I do love it.

605
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Speaker 5: The clip is her in jail and then he comes

606
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Speaker 5: into jail and as she's been released on bail, and

607
00:29:01,447 --> 00:29:04,087
Speaker 5: they lock eyes. And then my line that I like

608
00:29:04,127 --> 00:29:07,687
Speaker 5: the most is I'm begging don't embarrass me, motherfucker.

609
00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:10,007
Speaker 3: Especially because that's her real life boyfriend, and telling it

610
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Speaker 3: to him in the music video while she.

611
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Speaker 2: Suddenly ever, I look.

612
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Speaker 5: She supported Taylor for part of this tour. She supported

613
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Speaker 5: her in the Australian leg, and I sort of heard

614
00:29:19,847 --> 00:29:21,127
Speaker 5: of her, but I didn't really know.

615
00:29:21,287 --> 00:29:23,487
Speaker 1: Is she next Disney Start? I don't really. She's a

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Speaker 1: tiny little She's like a pollypocket. I had a bloody

617
00:29:26,847 --> 00:29:28,927
Speaker 1: Bumbshell yeah, I thought she was wearing a wig. She's

618
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Speaker 1: like a if you put.

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Speaker 5: Pamela Anderson, who was already tiny, but like, remember we

620
00:29:33,807 --> 00:29:35,247
Speaker 5: used to put chip packets in the oven and they

621
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Speaker 5: used to shrink down.

622
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Speaker 1: She's like that. She's like a little shrinky Pamela had fun.

623
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Speaker 2: When we were kids.

624
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Speaker 3: Generation even a man in finance.

625
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Speaker 5: We didn't have to leave us alone. And so she's

626
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Speaker 5: like this little hot little thing. But she's kind of

627
00:29:50,607 --> 00:29:53,647
Speaker 5: cute hot, she's not. Yeah, she's very anyway.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a good bop. I think it's a

629
00:29:55,927 --> 00:29:56,447
Speaker 1: good bop.

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Speaker 3: I've got a bit of a dark wreco this week.

631
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Speaker 3: So over the weekend I went to a premiere for

632
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Speaker 3: a new show that's out on stand. It's called Exposure.

633
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Speaker 1: What brings you to til funeral?

634
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Speaker 4: Friend?

635
00:30:13,487 --> 00:30:18,567
Speaker 1: What happened over there? It's I think she was seeing

636
00:30:18,607 --> 00:30:19,047
Speaker 1: some guy?

637
00:30:20,007 --> 00:30:22,447
Speaker 4: What makes you think of?

638
00:30:22,847 --> 00:30:25,567
Speaker 5: You know? A whole bunch of calls from someone she's

639
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Speaker 5: saved as do not message.

640
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Speaker 1: She's the guy from Girls Phone.

641
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Speaker 6: I want to know what he did.

642
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Speaker 3: I've watched the first three episodes and it is so good.

643
00:30:37,447 --> 00:30:41,087
Speaker 3: It's led by an all female team, so the director, producer, creator,

644
00:30:41,127 --> 00:30:43,807
Speaker 3: and leader all women. It's very dark and it has

645
00:30:43,847 --> 00:30:46,647
Speaker 3: some thriller elements to it. So the series follows this

646
00:30:46,807 --> 00:30:49,847
Speaker 3: young woman named Jax who's in her twenties and she

647
00:30:49,927 --> 00:30:54,087
Speaker 3: experiences some sort of traumatic event, and the creator Lucy

648
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Speaker 3: describes it as kind of a burning rage towards men,

649
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Speaker 3: but also a desperation to be validated by them at

650
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Speaker 3: the same time. Jax is played by Alice Englert. She's

651
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Speaker 3: also starred in a recent film with Jennifer Connelly call

652
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Speaker 3: bab Behavior.

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Speaker 5: I've heard about this, yes, Jennifer Cundley is amazing. She's

654
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Speaker 5: kind of one that you don't hear about much. She's

655
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Speaker 5: phenomenal when you see her in a movie. She's like

656
00:31:16,367 --> 00:31:17,127
Speaker 5: an actor's actor.

657
00:31:17,287 --> 00:31:19,127
Speaker 3: And she's also in Dark Matter, which is our Apple

658
00:31:19,167 --> 00:31:21,967
Speaker 3: TV also Good Wreck. But yeah, she's amazing. So the

659
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Speaker 3: series just kind of follows her investigating this traumatic event

660
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Speaker 3: that happened to her. A lot of men, there's a

661
00:31:27,207 --> 00:31:30,807
Speaker 3: lot of sex. It's really dark, but highly recommend. It's

662
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Speaker 3: out on Stan.

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Speaker 2: Out loud as if you want to listen to us

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Speaker 2: every day of the week, and why wouldn't you, You

665
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Speaker 2: the show notes to subscribe, and a big thank you

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Speaker 2: to all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 5: It's time for our best and Worst Moments of the week,

670
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Speaker 5: where we take a little bit of a reflection on

671
00:32:02,927 --> 00:32:05,647
Speaker 5: our personal lives and look at some personal highs personal

672
00:32:05,687 --> 00:32:07,567
Speaker 5: lows from the week, no judgment.

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Speaker 1: I'll start with my worst. It's the rule.

674
00:32:09,967 --> 00:32:13,847
Speaker 5: I'm missing Lunar. I'm missing her so much. When a

675
00:32:13,927 --> 00:32:16,767
Speaker 5: baby is away, it's a long chunk in their.

676
00:32:16,607 --> 00:32:17,727
Speaker 1: Life, Like it's three weeks.

677
00:32:17,847 --> 00:32:19,807
Speaker 5: It'll be three weeks when I see her next, which'll

678
00:32:19,847 --> 00:32:22,767
Speaker 5: be on Sunday, meeting up. All the videos that I

679
00:32:22,767 --> 00:32:25,767
Speaker 5: get sent and everything, and I just I'm worried she

680
00:32:25,847 --> 00:32:28,127
Speaker 5: won't remember me and won't love me anymore, and that

681
00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:29,287
Speaker 5: our bond will be broken.

682
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Speaker 2: Of course it won't your grandma.

683
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Speaker 1: I just feel like maybe she won't anyway.

684
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Speaker 2: And what about Jesse? Do you miss all of them

685
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Speaker 2: or just my son's back?

686
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Speaker 5: But do you know who I also miss is my

687
00:32:40,327 --> 00:32:43,287
Speaker 5: daughter is now actually with Jesse. My daughter's gone to

688
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Speaker 5: Europe for a big after school trip, and she landed

689
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Speaker 5: in Paris and then went straight to meet up with

690
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Speaker 5: Jesse and Claire and their babies, and and yeah.

691
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Speaker 2: What would happen if they fly in on Saturday? Night,

692
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Speaker 2: and then Jessica says, Oh, we're just too tired. Do

693
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Speaker 2: you mind if we don't? Can't tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: I'll just be anyway.

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Speaker 5: I'll be like, oh the babies, gently like, don't be

696
00:33:10,287 --> 00:33:13,687
Speaker 5: there at three to take her. I just miss her

697
00:33:13,687 --> 00:33:15,647
Speaker 5: so much. And apparently now she can say nana. I'm

698
00:33:15,727 --> 00:33:17,447
Speaker 5: very excited about that, except I don't think she has

699
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Speaker 5: any idea what that means. My best this week is

700
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Speaker 5: the funny best. I cried in a No Filter interview,

701
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Speaker 5: and I think I've only done that maybe two or

702
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Speaker 5: three times in eight years. And the reason that it

703
00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:33,967
Speaker 5: was my best is because it's really exciting to feel

704
00:33:34,447 --> 00:33:37,807
Speaker 5: that engaged in something again. I've been, you know, really

705
00:33:37,847 --> 00:33:40,687
Speaker 5: busy and really stretched, and I've been struggling with No

706
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Speaker 5: Filter for a little while.

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Speaker 1: I'm just really.

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Speaker 5: Having a moment where I'm just leaning in to No

709
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Speaker 5: Filter again. And this interview. I did three hours of

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Speaker 5: No Filter interviews in half a day, and it was

711
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Speaker 5: a lot. Yeah, and they were completely different interviews. I

712
00:33:57,607 --> 00:33:59,447
Speaker 5: just was so engaged and I just loved them.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna tell us who made you cry? Yeah?

714
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Speaker 5: So her name's Darcy Erlick. The name might be familiar

715
00:34:04,087 --> 00:34:05,847
Speaker 5: someone I've wanted to interview for about ten years. She

716
00:34:06,007 --> 00:34:09,367
Speaker 5: was abused by Malkalafa, who was the principal at a

717
00:34:09,487 --> 00:34:13,407
Speaker 5: very religious girls school in Melbourne, and she fought to

718
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Speaker 5: have her extradited from Israel back to Australia for ten

719
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Speaker 5: years or more. She's now in jail and talking to Dussy,

720
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Speaker 5: who's written this book. And actually when that happened to her,

721
00:34:24,727 --> 00:34:26,607
Speaker 5: she could have written ten books about what had happened

722
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Speaker 5: to her life until that point that she met Michael Lafer,

723
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Speaker 5: and they all would have been terrible. But the reason

724
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Speaker 5: I was crying, I was actually crying during the bad parts.

725
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Speaker 1: I was crying at the end, and if they were

726
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Speaker 1: happy tears.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

728
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Speaker 1: So I can't wait for you to hear that it's

729
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Speaker 1: going to be in a couple of weeks. I'll keep

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Speaker 1: you posted.

731
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Speaker 2: My worst is related to my recommendation. So when I

732
00:34:45,927 --> 00:34:48,167
Speaker 2: was excited as Brent's been away and me and the

733
00:34:48,247 --> 00:34:50,527
Speaker 2: kids were like, that's our outing on Saturday, as we're

734
00:34:50,527 --> 00:34:52,087
Speaker 2: going to go see Inside Out and then ge Dumplings.

735
00:34:52,127 --> 00:34:55,007
Speaker 2: That's so happy place, Dumblanks obviously, So I just booked

736
00:34:55,007 --> 00:34:57,207
Speaker 2: the first session that was available at the movie theater

737
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Speaker 2: nere Us. And what I didn't see is that it

738
00:34:59,527 --> 00:35:03,287
Speaker 2: was the like little kids session where they have and

739
00:35:03,407 --> 00:35:05,327
Speaker 2: this is amazing that they have this right, but I

740
00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:08,047
Speaker 2: mean noisy, so it means mums and bubs. It's not

741
00:35:08,127 --> 00:35:10,847
Speaker 2: mums and bubbs. But what is they have like a

742
00:35:10,887 --> 00:35:14,127
Speaker 2: play literal playground at the front in front of the screen.

743
00:35:14,247 --> 00:35:19,767
Speaker 2: Stop it so like with slides that go down. It's

744
00:35:19,807 --> 00:35:21,727
Speaker 2: wrong with children that they can't sit through a movie.

745
00:35:21,767 --> 00:35:23,327
Speaker 2: Either go to a movie or go to the playground.

746
00:35:23,367 --> 00:35:25,567
Speaker 2: Don't have the playground at the movie. The playground is

747
00:35:25,607 --> 00:35:27,767
Speaker 2: at the movies. And then the other thing that happens

748
00:35:27,847 --> 00:35:30,127
Speaker 2: is that halfway through the movie it just stops and

749
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Speaker 2: it's ten minutes of playtime. And none of those I

750
00:35:33,167 --> 00:35:36,327
Speaker 2: would quite like that, and none of the kids had

751
00:35:36,567 --> 00:35:39,647
Speaker 2: observed the ten minutes of playtime. And the thing is

752
00:35:39,647 --> 00:35:41,727
Speaker 2: is my kids. As soon as I said to Billy

753
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Speaker 2: once I realized that because I booked the tickets online,

754
00:35:44,687 --> 00:35:46,687
Speaker 2: and as soon as I realized that it was the

755
00:35:46,767 --> 00:35:48,847
Speaker 2: kid's session, because this little green thing comes up and

756
00:35:48,847 --> 00:35:51,487
Speaker 2: it's like kids session, I told Billy and he was like,

757
00:35:51,927 --> 00:35:55,367
Speaker 2: you have made a terrible mission. And I was like,

758
00:35:55,407 --> 00:35:57,247
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Bill? And he's like, I've

759
00:35:57,247 --> 00:36:00,087
Speaker 2: been to one of those before. The kids never sit down,

760
00:36:00,447 --> 00:36:02,367
Speaker 2: it's really noisy. You can't watch the movie and they

761
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Speaker 2: just stop it halfway through it. And I was like,

762
00:36:03,727 --> 00:36:05,927
Speaker 2: it won't be like that, Baby, it won't be like that.

763
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Speaker 2: And it was exactly like that, and both of the

764
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Speaker 2: kids hate it all the way through the movie theater.

765
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Speaker 2: But the other thing it made me realize was is

766
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Speaker 2: that when my kids were little, that would have been

767
00:36:16,407 --> 00:36:19,007
Speaker 2: my idea of heaven, right, Like I used to take

768
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Speaker 2: my baby to mums and bubs, the idea that I

769
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Speaker 2: got a three year old and I could go and

770
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Speaker 2: watch Inside Out too, Like it would have been great.

771
00:36:25,487 --> 00:36:27,607
Speaker 2: But it just reminds you that once you're done with

772
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Speaker 2: a live stage, you are done with that live stage.

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Speaker 5: Right. Yeah.

774
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, now I've got no tolerance anymore for

775
00:36:33,607 --> 00:36:35,727
Speaker 2: the little children running around, and I'm just like, why

776
00:36:35,727 --> 00:36:38,407
Speaker 2: can't they sit down? Why can't they just be quiet?

777
00:36:38,607 --> 00:36:40,607
Speaker 2: And for children? And Billy are like that you are?

778
00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:41,127
Speaker 2: Do you know?

779
00:36:41,167 --> 00:36:43,767
Speaker 5: That's interesting because I'm going to retract what I said

780
00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:46,607
Speaker 5: about either have a playground or a movie.

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Speaker 1: I think that if you've got more than one kid.

782
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Speaker 5: It's expensive to go to the movies, right, so if

783
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Speaker 5: you have to get a babysitter or find childcare for

784
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Speaker 5: the kid that's maybe too little to sit through the

785
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Speaker 5: whole thing, and then your older kid really wants to

786
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Speaker 5: sit through the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It's actually I think it's.

788
00:37:01,687 --> 00:37:04,567
Speaker 2: A great idea. It's just not a good idea once

789
00:37:04,647 --> 00:37:07,607
Speaker 2: your kids harder than four. If the error was yours,

790
00:37:07,807 --> 00:37:11,247
Speaker 2: the error was one hundred three percent mine. As my

791
00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:13,087
Speaker 2: children were still letting me know.

792
00:37:13,327 --> 00:37:15,607
Speaker 3: They would love to be telling you I told you

793
00:37:15,607 --> 00:37:18,127
Speaker 3: so oh so much, and that thing is Matildad could

794
00:37:18,167 --> 00:37:19,607
Speaker 3: tell I felt really bad about it, and she was

795
00:37:19,607 --> 00:37:21,287
Speaker 3: trying to make me feel better about it, and she's like,

796
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Speaker 3: it's not that bad, Mum.

797
00:37:22,527 --> 00:37:26,247
Speaker 2: I can still hear the movie, mom, whereas Billy was

798
00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:29,087
Speaker 2: like glaring at me, like you're an idiot.

799
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Speaker 5: It was great anyway on the slide in the minute

800
00:37:31,687 --> 00:37:33,047
Speaker 5: didn't but I was quite tempered, and you.

801
00:37:33,087 --> 00:37:34,327
Speaker 3: Recommended the movie, so you.

802
00:37:37,527 --> 00:37:38,847
Speaker 1: My best was.

803
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Speaker 2: I got to be a boomer for a night last week.

804
00:37:40,927 --> 00:37:42,687
Speaker 2: We're very rock and roll in our house. Brent and

805
00:37:42,727 --> 00:37:44,687
Speaker 2: I go to pub trivia every two weeks at our

806
00:37:44,727 --> 00:37:46,727
Speaker 2: local pub around the corner. It's our date night. That's

807
00:37:46,767 --> 00:37:49,487
Speaker 2: what we do. We have two drinks, we play a

808
00:37:49,527 --> 00:37:53,047
Speaker 2: round of trivia. We're up there, right, and our nemesiss

809
00:37:53,487 --> 00:37:57,207
Speaker 2: in that pub trip are called the Baby Boomerangs and

810
00:37:57,247 --> 00:37:59,127
Speaker 2: they are boomers right.

811
00:37:59,447 --> 00:38:00,327
Speaker 3: What's your team name?

812
00:38:00,647 --> 00:38:03,447
Speaker 2: Two brains, one pen. That's what we're called smart and

813
00:38:03,767 --> 00:38:07,647
Speaker 2: so the Baby Boomerangs are our Nemesisicatus is right. Anyway,

814
00:38:07,687 --> 00:38:10,287
Speaker 2: Brent was away, he's been in New Zealand for a week,

815
00:38:10,407 --> 00:38:13,847
Speaker 2: sees out, and the Baby Boomerangs offered a hand to

816
00:38:13,887 --> 00:38:15,607
Speaker 2: me and said do you want to come to trivia

817
00:38:15,647 --> 00:38:17,527
Speaker 2: anyway and join our team for the night. And I

818
00:38:17,727 --> 00:38:20,407
Speaker 2: was like, that's so nice, and yes I do, thank you.

819
00:38:20,447 --> 00:38:22,687
Speaker 2: I want to get out of the house. And so

820
00:38:22,847 --> 00:38:24,647
Speaker 2: I went and I joined their team. And the thing

821
00:38:24,687 --> 00:38:27,767
Speaker 2: that was so great about it, Mia is that we won.

822
00:38:28,247 --> 00:38:30,407
Speaker 2: And the reason we won is because of my gen

823
00:38:30,607 --> 00:38:34,407
Speaker 2: x energy and my wasted youth, because we were neck

824
00:38:34,447 --> 00:38:35,607
Speaker 2: and neck with the team next to us.

825
00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:35,767
Speaker 5: Right.

826
00:38:35,807 --> 00:38:37,807
Speaker 2: The Boomerang's very smart. They know lots of things, but

827
00:38:37,807 --> 00:38:39,887
Speaker 2: they're not very good at celebrities, not very good in gossip.

828
00:38:40,967 --> 00:38:44,087
Speaker 2: This is where I am shy. The final round comes,

829
00:38:44,127 --> 00:38:46,007
Speaker 2: we are neck and neck with the table next to us.

830
00:38:46,047 --> 00:38:47,847
Speaker 2: Who there are nine of them, and one of my

831
00:38:47,927 --> 00:38:50,047
Speaker 2: baby boomers thought that was a violation.

832
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Speaker 6: Of the rules.

833
00:38:50,167 --> 00:38:51,327
Speaker 2: But anyway, we digressed.

834
00:38:51,447 --> 00:38:52,207
Speaker 1: They had a holly.

835
00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:56,767
Speaker 2: So the last round was photographs of celebrities when they

836
00:38:56,807 --> 00:39:02,207
Speaker 2: were children. No, I got ten out of ten easily.

837
00:39:02,807 --> 00:39:05,287
Speaker 2: I just grabbed the piece of paper. I said, move over,

838
00:39:05,367 --> 00:39:07,927
Speaker 2: this is my round. I filled it in. We got ten.

839
00:39:08,087 --> 00:39:10,327
Speaker 3: We won well the photos and black and white some

840
00:39:10,447 --> 00:39:12,287
Speaker 3: of them. That's whole other level.

841
00:39:12,447 --> 00:39:16,407
Speaker 1: And we could have been pixelated and she still smashed it.

842
00:39:16,567 --> 00:39:19,007
Speaker 2: We won, got the baby boomerangs over the line, and

843
00:39:19,007 --> 00:39:21,087
Speaker 2: now my status in my community is high.

844
00:39:21,207 --> 00:39:21,967
Speaker 3: That's a big slave.

845
00:39:22,087 --> 00:39:24,967
Speaker 2: Good breads out of and bred need never come back,

846
00:39:25,047 --> 00:39:27,567
Speaker 2: come back. I don't need him anymore. And best and worst.

847
00:39:27,847 --> 00:39:31,287
Speaker 3: So my worst was in one single night, I ran

848
00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:32,567
Speaker 3: into three xes.

849
00:39:33,007 --> 00:39:33,607
Speaker 2: That's a lot.

850
00:39:33,727 --> 00:39:34,167
Speaker 1: Where were you?

851
00:39:34,687 --> 00:39:37,047
Speaker 3: I was at that stand event that was also part

852
00:39:37,087 --> 00:39:39,607
Speaker 3: of my reco So I was at the stand event.

853
00:39:39,887 --> 00:39:41,847
Speaker 3: It was part of the Sydney Film Festival, so there

854
00:39:41,887 --> 00:39:43,087
Speaker 3: was a lot of people, so a lot of people

855
00:39:43,087 --> 00:39:46,207
Speaker 3: could also buy tickets to watch the film. And as

856
00:39:46,247 --> 00:39:49,167
Speaker 3: we were walking into the cinema, one of my exes

857
00:39:49,207 --> 00:39:52,967
Speaker 3: was walking out of the previous one. Big surprise because

858
00:39:52,967 --> 00:39:54,647
Speaker 3: he the reason we broke up was because he told

859
00:39:54,647 --> 00:39:58,967
Speaker 3: me he was moving to Japan, so obviously no, he

860
00:39:59,127 --> 00:40:00,567
Speaker 3: was very much not in Japan.

861
00:40:00,687 --> 00:40:00,807
Speaker 6: Jo.

862
00:40:01,327 --> 00:40:05,767
Speaker 3: He was at the Sydney Film Festival and we were like, oh,

863
00:40:05,927 --> 00:40:06,927
Speaker 3: I Like what.

864
00:40:08,687 --> 00:40:16,527
Speaker 2: Motherfucker? He said, I in Japan.

865
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Speaker 3: Japan looks great on you.

866
00:40:20,727 --> 00:40:21,487
Speaker 1: He was like no.

867
00:40:21,487 --> 00:40:25,247
Speaker 5: No, I said, I wanted to get Japanese food, and.

868
00:40:25,127 --> 00:40:26,127
Speaker 3: Then you ghosted me.

869
00:40:26,727 --> 00:40:26,927
Speaker 5: No.

870
00:40:27,287 --> 00:40:29,447
Speaker 3: I was with a head of Entertainment Laura Brodney, so

871
00:40:29,447 --> 00:40:31,807
Speaker 3: I hid behind her because she's very tall, so he

872
00:40:31,847 --> 00:40:34,167
Speaker 3: didn't see me. And then we went and found our seats.

873
00:40:34,167 --> 00:40:36,807
Speaker 3: It was assigned seating unfortunately, so we had to sit

874
00:40:36,847 --> 00:40:38,927
Speaker 3: in our seats. And then I was looking over and

875
00:40:38,967 --> 00:40:40,447
Speaker 3: I was like that guy looks really familiar, and he

876
00:40:40,527 --> 00:40:43,167
Speaker 3: was like approaching. I had sex with him, and he

877
00:40:43,287 --> 00:40:45,927
Speaker 3: was another ex boyfriend who I dated in my early twenties.

878
00:40:46,127 --> 00:40:50,447
Speaker 3: He sat directly in front of me director Hello. No,

879
00:40:50,527 --> 00:40:53,367
Speaker 3: we looked at each other. He was meant to be here.

880
00:40:53,487 --> 00:40:55,407
Speaker 3: We broke up and there was a mutual breakup.

881
00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:56,767
Speaker 1: When's the third one?

882
00:40:57,007 --> 00:40:59,687
Speaker 3: Third one was after the event, I went to a

883
00:40:59,727 --> 00:41:04,447
Speaker 3: friend's party and my ex was at that part. I

884
00:41:04,527 --> 00:41:06,767
Speaker 3: was except he was like kind of an expected run

885
00:41:06,767 --> 00:41:08,927
Speaker 3: in because I knew he was invited, But when I

886
00:41:08,927 --> 00:41:12,327
Speaker 3: saw I was like, so ago the Joseph Christmas Path.

887
00:41:12,447 --> 00:41:14,007
Speaker 3: I feel like it couldn't even be a sitcom because

888
00:41:14,007 --> 00:41:14,607
Speaker 3: it's too much.

889
00:41:14,727 --> 00:41:18,327
Speaker 5: Going back to the japan one, Yeah, you clearly haven't

890
00:41:18,367 --> 00:41:20,607
Speaker 5: been following him in social media, Like were you not

891
00:41:20,727 --> 00:41:22,887
Speaker 5: curious to see how it turned out in Tokyo?

892
00:41:22,967 --> 00:41:25,647
Speaker 3: No, because I really really liked him, and it would

893
00:41:25,647 --> 00:41:27,687
Speaker 3: like hurt every time I would look at his social

894
00:41:27,807 --> 00:41:29,967
Speaker 3: So I even told him. I was like, Hey, I'm

895
00:41:30,007 --> 00:41:32,047
Speaker 3: just gonna unfollow you because this is too much for me.

896
00:41:32,327 --> 00:41:34,447
Speaker 3: It's smart, and he was like thank god, because I'm

897
00:41:34,447 --> 00:41:35,207
Speaker 3: not actually.

898
00:41:37,167 --> 00:41:39,527
Speaker 1: Now go through with that elaborate.

899
00:41:40,927 --> 00:41:44,407
Speaker 2: Japan Oh, I'm not so great. What's your best?

900
00:41:44,767 --> 00:41:47,007
Speaker 3: My best was actually the house party I went to

901
00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,167
Speaker 3: afterwards because it was his massive house party. I always

902
00:41:49,167 --> 00:41:50,847
Speaker 3: thought I was a bit too old for house parties,

903
00:41:51,207 --> 00:41:53,167
Speaker 3: but I was like one of the other ones there's

904
00:41:53,207 --> 00:41:55,127
Speaker 3: but I had so much fun. It was my best

905
00:41:55,247 --> 00:41:58,407
Speaker 3: because in the whole situation I was in seeing my

906
00:41:58,487 --> 00:42:01,807
Speaker 3: ex'es and the week massive house party I usually get

907
00:42:01,927 --> 00:42:05,127
Speaker 3: quite tipsy at those kind of events because it's like alcohol,

908
00:42:05,247 --> 00:42:07,607
Speaker 3: you're buying your own. Alcohol is pretty cheap. Also, we're

909
00:42:07,607 --> 00:42:09,687
Speaker 3: all having house parties because no one can afford to anymore.

910
00:42:10,247 --> 00:42:11,287
Speaker 2: They're back, so it's back.

911
00:42:11,367 --> 00:42:13,207
Speaker 3: So I haven't been drinking the whole week. And then

912
00:42:13,287 --> 00:42:16,047
Speaker 3: I just kind of like stayed a bit sensible because

913
00:42:16,047 --> 00:42:18,767
Speaker 3: I've since I've gotten older and started to really value

914
00:42:18,767 --> 00:42:19,567
Speaker 3: my Sunday time.

915
00:42:19,727 --> 00:42:21,647
Speaker 2: Yes, and I just want It's one of the first

916
00:42:21,647 --> 00:42:23,727
Speaker 2: signs you're growing up, Like I don't want to ruin

917
00:42:23,727 --> 00:42:24,327
Speaker 2: the whole day.

918
00:42:24,447 --> 00:42:26,207
Speaker 3: And I was like, ah, I have like to do

919
00:42:26,287 --> 00:42:28,447
Speaker 3: my washing at ten because I have them too busy

920
00:42:28,487 --> 00:42:30,807
Speaker 3: during the week in my washing. So I ended up

921
00:42:30,847 --> 00:42:32,927
Speaker 3: not drinking as much and I had a really nice

922
00:42:32,967 --> 00:42:35,207
Speaker 3: Sunday and it was like the first time where I

923
00:42:35,287 --> 00:42:37,767
Speaker 3: feel like I've stepped back from alcohol.

924
00:42:38,247 --> 00:42:40,647
Speaker 2: Good for you. Yeah, Look, she's mid before her time.

925
00:42:40,807 --> 00:42:42,207
Speaker 1: Was there any finance guys there?

926
00:42:42,527 --> 00:42:45,327
Speaker 3: There weren't any finance guys there. If there were, I

927
00:42:45,527 --> 00:42:46,967
Speaker 3: would have been a bit drunk.

928
00:42:47,847 --> 00:42:49,687
Speaker 5: Am I have a question for you before we go.

929
00:42:50,127 --> 00:42:54,087
Speaker 5: Have you had of the term mattress since when you

930
00:42:54,087 --> 00:42:57,167
Speaker 5: think of becoming a mother one day, if indeed you

931
00:42:57,167 --> 00:42:58,007
Speaker 5: would like to or not.

932
00:42:58,447 --> 00:42:59,247
Speaker 1: Do you imagine that.

933
00:42:59,207 --> 00:43:02,287
Speaker 5: It would change you or do you think it freaks

934
00:43:02,327 --> 00:43:03,487
Speaker 5: you out that it would change you?

935
00:43:03,687 --> 00:43:04,407
Speaker 2: Does it change you?

936
00:43:04,607 --> 00:43:05,087
Speaker 3: Surely not?

937
00:43:05,367 --> 00:43:07,207
Speaker 1: Oh my god, doesn't happen?

938
00:43:07,447 --> 00:43:12,047
Speaker 2: And then yesterday's episode Holly changes everything.

939
00:43:11,687 --> 00:43:15,007
Speaker 5: Both with jem of Bath who has been a mother

940
00:43:15,047 --> 00:43:17,767
Speaker 5: for eighteen months, about the concept of mattressence and that

941
00:43:17,927 --> 00:43:20,807
Speaker 5: is like adolescence, but what happens to you and your

942
00:43:20,807 --> 00:43:22,567
Speaker 5: identity after you have kids.

943
00:43:22,567 --> 00:43:26,327
Speaker 2: Here's inside out three yes say, oh my god.

944
00:43:26,527 --> 00:43:28,767
Speaker 5: First it was pubitty and now it should be make

945
00:43:28,887 --> 00:43:31,447
Speaker 5: matt trescence. Riley can skip ahead a little bit.

946
00:43:31,607 --> 00:43:32,807
Speaker 1: Here's a little sneak peak.

947
00:43:32,647 --> 00:43:35,807
Speaker 2: Of the chat. Did having a baby change your lives?

948
00:43:35,927 --> 00:43:37,607
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? Isn't that the point?

949
00:43:38,007 --> 00:43:38,567
Speaker 2: Exactly?

950
00:43:38,727 --> 00:43:41,207
Speaker 6: Going through birth was a real kind of light bulb

951
00:43:41,247 --> 00:43:44,207
Speaker 6: moment for me because I learned so much about my body.

952
00:43:44,327 --> 00:43:48,127
Speaker 6: And then when it comes to relationships, nothing tests more

953
00:43:48,167 --> 00:43:51,807
Speaker 6: than a baby. We know that I see women having

954
00:43:51,967 --> 00:43:56,007
Speaker 6: almost an existential Oh my god, who even am I?

955
00:43:57,007 --> 00:43:59,447
Speaker 6: And men just don't like their lives are very different

956
00:43:59,487 --> 00:44:01,047
Speaker 6: and they really love this baby and they might have

957
00:44:01,087 --> 00:44:03,687
Speaker 6: to make sacrifices and everything but who they are as

958
00:44:03,687 --> 00:44:07,007
Speaker 6: an individual is not something that changes in the same

959
00:44:07,007 --> 00:44:09,887
Speaker 6: way that it does for a mother. We will put

960
00:44:09,927 --> 00:44:11,567
Speaker 6: a link to that episode in the show notes so

961
00:44:11,607 --> 00:44:12,967
Speaker 6: you can listen right now.

962
00:44:13,167 --> 00:44:16,167
Speaker 2: We're done for the week. We are done for the week.

963
00:44:16,287 --> 00:44:20,247
Speaker 2: Thank you em Vernon for being an absolutely excellent standout

964
00:44:20,287 --> 00:44:23,767
Speaker 2: for stand in, not stand out, a standout stand in

965
00:44:24,247 --> 00:44:27,487
Speaker 2: for Jesse Stevens. We have loved having you around. I

966
00:44:27,527 --> 00:44:29,967
Speaker 2: know the outlouders have to thank you to all our

967
00:44:30,007 --> 00:44:33,087
Speaker 2: out louders for lending us sure is. This episode was

968
00:44:33,127 --> 00:44:36,647
Speaker 2: produced by Emmalin Gazillis. The assistant producer was Charlie Blackman,

969
00:44:36,847 --> 00:44:39,367
Speaker 2: and there's been audio production from Leah Porge's. And we

970
00:44:39,407 --> 00:44:41,807
Speaker 2: will see you all next week. By by.

971
00:44:43,887 --> 00:44:46,687
Speaker 5: Shout out to any Muma Mia subscribers listening.

972
00:44:46,847 --> 00:44:49,127
Speaker 1: If you love the show and want to support us

973
00:44:49,167 --> 00:44:51,687
Speaker 1: as well, subscribing to mom and Mia is the very

974
00:44:51,727 --> 00:44:53,687
Speaker 1: best way to do so. There is a link in

975
00:44:53,727 --> 00:44:54,807
Speaker 1: the episode description.